Can you remind me again where to find those stats?
- Brian Johns
Brian, go to "Me" link (http://friendfeed.com/brianjo...) which defaults to the Feed tab. Look at the sidebar on the right, below Discussion.
- Micah
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here
- mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week!
- Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page)
- Micah
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals...
- Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like.
- Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in.
- Micah
from twhirl
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem.
- Bren
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments
- Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief!
- Lindsay
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both)
- Micah
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks!
- Micah
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots)
- Micah
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up.
- Tyson Key
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology....
- David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39
- David HC Soul
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others).
- Micah
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :)
- Micah
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!)
- Micah
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas.
- Micah
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good!
- Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me.
- Micah
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments.
- Bren
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it.
- Micah
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!!
- Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine!
- Micah
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments)..
- Chris Myles
Likes are down relative to comments, which matches my much lower frequency of liking. I'm a more selective liker than ever.
- Micah
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience.
- Micah
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff)
- chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered?
- Micah
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while...
- Bren
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically.
- Micah
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better.
- Bren
In 4 days it will be 1 year since my first recorded stat here. My comments/like were almost a 1:1 ratio then. Now comments are almost double likes for me.
- Micah
75,415 comments/1,286 likes = 58.64 - i wish the auto inserted comments didn't get counted... the true number is probably much much close ot my number of likes
- Chris Heath
1.97%. thanks again micah, this has been a great metric to measure my first year here on ff. As the year went (this being the first record of me being here that i've found): , 6.43%:1.25%:1.97%
- chaz2b
Chris, Bren, thank you. And chaz2b, thank you too - glad it's a special marker for you. :)
- Micah
63.58 (97,534/1,534) -- interesting that my last three digits are the same there, eh? (note, i already posted a month or two ago when i first saw this thread)
- Chris Heath
Last year my comments were around 7000 and likes around 2500, for a ratio of 2.80. I consciously chose to do more liking over the last year. As of today my comments number 10,782 and likes number 7,666, for a ratio of 1.41.
- Stephen Mack
Jason, Stephen - cool. Thanks for keeping updated here. :)
- Micah
Okay, Micah. <----I had to resist the urge not to post that because I know it's going to up my comment count. ;)
- Jenny R
But how many of those primordial, high interest posts are still active. Uh huh. :)
- Micah
Thanks, Morton. BTW, when you posted in February, it was exactly 0.13 also.
- Micah
Jenny, resistance is futile; embrace the rising tide of comments.
- Micah
Comments are more difficult and time consuming than Likes. I'd be happy about a high comment:likes ratio except that many are surely imported from feeds, while every Like is manual.
- Mike Chelen
it has changed to 2.2256 now as Sep, 6 2010.Labor Day. :) I added the date for future references.
- ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
Two years later and my ratio has climbed from 3.4 to 4.675. I've got a lot to say, apparently.
- Kevin Fox
Funnily, I didn't notice until after leaving that comment that when I reported my stat in 2009 I also followed it up with "I've got stuff to say." I didn't say it was *new* stuff...
- Kevin Fox
2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago). for history's sake, this thread was started shortly after i found friendfeed, or friendfeed found me, so it holds a special place in my heart. thanks for keeping it around mr micah
- chaz2b
You're certainly welcome, chaz2b. In some way it feels like a living heirloom to me. :)
- Micah
3 (2.991) (and now the list has become too lengthy for me to track my progress, ;) [dumb me, i have a post not 10 lines ago in history, from 090711 2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago) ;) ]
- chaz2b
Well, the straight up PSD didn't fit well so I did some rotating and skewing...
- FFing Enigma
Alright, for some reason this reminds me of the phone call I had with my mother Sunday, when we both started talking in really crappy Sean Connery accents. Fabuloush!
- FFing Enigma
If it's a school picture, you KNOW it's Olan Mills! At least, that's the way it was around here. Those folks had a lock on the uncomfortably posed photo market.
- FFing Enigma
uncomfortable pose? looks pretty comfortable to me lol :P
- Rob Sellen :o)
The driver was attempting to throw the logging cable over the logs to secure them and as you can see, hooked the 7.2 kilovolt primary instead! - http://docs.google.com/View...
"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home.
- Melanie Reed
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome!
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this.
- Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival!
- Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks!
- Cee Bee
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory.
- Kol Tregaskes
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him.
- Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey
- Bill Rawlinson
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
@Kevin, totally understandable.
- EricaJoy
from IM
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat Demirel
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat Demirel
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- stanjourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- Hamed Safa
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
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- Selma
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- شاطر امین
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- Hamed Safa
from IM
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- Hamed Safa
from IM
or maybe he's got a double life, daytime geek nighttime the big oscar winner LOL. That would be interesting if we have Apple WWDC and Oscar at the same time.
- Amiroo ™
I get this all the time! He's my stunt double!
- Robert Scoble
I always thought that Seymour Hoffman was Scoble's alter ego. I bet they have never been photographed together. Coincidence? I don't think so!
- Keith James Designs
Pretty close. :) Seymour Hoffman maybe underrated but he's a superb actor.
- jan geronimo
not that you don't get star treatment already ;) but you could walk into anywhere channeling PSH - best tables and autographs baby!
- BEX
I have thought that for a long time. Nice.
- Ben Hanten
It's Philip Seymour Hoffman's biggest role to date!
- Joshua M
Ok, to disprove the conspiracy... I propose that this *Robert Scoble* shave his head and appear in public. Although, I suppose PSH could just wear a wig.
- TINY REPTILIAN PYROMANIAC
I heard they're really twins separated at birth.
- imabonehead
I was just watching State and Main yesterday that "the big secret" had been revealed to me
- Amiroo ™
I am certain @scobleizer was used as a double in Doubt.
- Bernie Goldbach
Hehe... I've mentioned that to my wife several times. If they ever make a movie about Scoble, Phillip Seymour Hoffman it is (or vice versa).
- LionelatDell
"Participants to the sneak preview of 'The Ledge,' stand on the new glass balconies suspended 1,353 feet (412 meters) in the air and jut out 4 feet (1.22 meters) from the Sears Tower's 103rd floor Skydeck Wednesday, July 1, 2009 in Chicago. The Ledge will open to public on Thursday."
- AJ Batac :)
from Bookmarklet
I'd do a poopoo in my pants but I would do it...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Good stuff. Also: try being on the engineering team at shipping port and having to climb all over 100m cranes (did in 2006). You'll grow an extra pair
- LANjackal
I think I'd go out on it. Maybe. Looks pretty awesome. Love seeing the little girl with no fear. Little kids would zip around fearlessly in jet packs if we had em.
- iTad
I think I would die if I stepped out on that, but I would try anyway.
- Rah-PM 2012
Bear with me a moment while I attempt to retrieve my scrotum from my abdominal cavity...
- Mark J
This is so awesome. I would kill to have something like that in Montreal
- Robert D'Alesio
If I want to fly or levitate I'll expose myself to cosmic radiation like anyone else
- Sean Reiser
You probably couldn't get me to go further than the 5th floor, let alone, the 103rd floor, plus out on a glass floor hanging over the city. Sorry Mr Wonka, but I'll take the stairs.
- Tim Young
I hope they keep a cleaning crew or a mop handy.
- George Brickner
*Gulp* I doubt I'd last even 2 minutes standing on that...
- Tyson Key
Rochelle, hit them on the head precisely with a stick kills most small ones. Hitting them on the body will just make a situation worse as they will retaliate.
- AJ Batac :)
I was watering the plants and found it behind the potted bamboo; rushed in, got my camera took a pic and called the neighbors for help. It was a beautiful little baby and it hide behind the staircase. They pushed it out and one of the neighbors killed it. Made very loud hissing sounds. In our area we get lots of cobras during rainy seasons. We do have resident rat snake that comes and goes and is most welcome at our place but cobras are not welcome for obvious seasons.
- Deepti
Deepti took the picture incidentally, great presence of mind, Dee - I'm sure i would have freaked out.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Ew, ew, ew. The only snakes we have here are little garden snakes which are just tiny little worm things. The rest are at the zoo.
- Rochelle
Thanks, Deepti, for taking the photo. As I said in the other thread, it is a beautiful snake.
- Anika
Is there a way to get these Flockr garden cobras to infest my friends' Facebook Farmlands?
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
Anika, it was a majestic creature. I hated it when they killed the little one but we had no other choice.
- Deepti
My first thought would have been total freak out... but if It wasn't moving toward me then I probably would have grabbed the camera too. HAHAH! Great capture! Even though I DO NOT like snakes, it is a shame you had to kill it.
- Lindsay
Lindsay, I am way past the freaking out stage after my first run in with a massive rat snake but then again when I first heard it hiss I involuntarily yelled- Mommy!!
- Deepti
"A conservative Iranian newspaper says the country's main opposition leader must be tried for inciting unrest after June's disputed presidential elections."
- M F
from Bookmarklet
You do not mess with old man strength
- Will Higgins™
The judge said the punk 'got what he deserved'. GOD BLESS THE UK. Also the punk said he 'didn't remember what happened'. Of course he didn't, he got KNOCKED THE F*CK OUT.
- Will Higgins™
I imagine him standing over a bruised and bloody burglar saying "get off my lawn." The picture in my head is pretty epic.
- Aaron Hood
Sorry, I got a little excited by how awesome this story is. The guy kinda does look like Clint, doesn't he?
- Will Higgins™
A big virtual pat on the back there eh... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
LOL Awesome! I wanna grow up to be just like him ;)
- Paul OFlaherty
This made me smile, how awesome this little fart got what he was due. How dare he pick on the elderly and how wonderful the elderly did rearranging some youthful behavior.
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
He got 4 and 1/2 years in prison along with the beat down.
- Brent - Yes I am
That is why you finish the job here in the US and then place a pointy object in the assailants hand. More mess but less litigation. Odd how blind lady justice can be.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
What? There's another view? Please post.
- Ken Morley
I'm pretty sure it's in the collection "Never Eat Anything Bigger Than Your Head", published back in the early/mid 70s. I know I've got it around here somewhere...
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I've been wanting to ask this for a while, and considering Mike Arrington is a web celeb now - i'll just ask publicly. Why do SOME of you dislike/hate Michael Arrington? It's not a rhetorical question btw - i'm genuinely asking because i've thought hard...and can't think of anything that that he's specifically done.
have some of you had personal bad experiences with him? Is it just that you think he's arrogant. I've personally got no issue with the guy aside from the fact that he's technically competition for TheNextWeb and I think he & his site make techmeme way too often! :)
- Zee.
My personal interactions with Mike have all been good. (E-mail, phone, F2F) His positions no doubt occasionally disagree with mine.
- Louis Gray
Well, I for one do not hate or dislike him. In fact, I think he's brilliant, but he also tends to think out loud (or think while posting, I guess) and therefore comes across as abrasive. He is frequently wrong too, but has real trouble thinking that there may exist other viewpoints besides his own, especially in the midst of a discussion. At times like that he just goes on and on, and eventually just makes a bore of himself.
- Vicarbott
@Louis and that's what i seem to hear from most industry professionals who have encountered him...So i'm stil left confused. Is it mainly because at times Techcrunch has broken embargoes and so the majority of haters are PR folk and entrepreneurs? Or is it mainly other competing bloggers? I mean where the heck does some of the hatred come from...
- Zee.
I think he's a savvy guy and he's opinionated. I don't know the guy personally but it seems like he takes things *way* too personal, but perhaps that's what drives him to be great. Lately it seems like he just doesn't want to listen anymore and that's a dangerous place to be for any profession IMO.
- AJ Kohn
@AJ I would normally tend to agree but then again - when someone spits in his face and he receives death threats...surely that's personal no?
- Zee.
My initial personal interaction with MA was when I was at Mashable - given that, it's not surprising that it was particularly negative. He seems to have softened on me as an individual since I've left there.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
1st of all, I don't *actively* dislike him = I don't seek out opportunities to tear him down or flame him. I even empathized with him when he wrote about being publicly spit on and considering restraining orders in the past. Then the Last.fm episode happened. After the dust settled, it was clear that MA had spun whatever actually happened in the most accusatory manner possible. I...
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- LANjackal
@Mark - can you reveal any details publicly about the interactions with him at Mashable?
- Zee.
Zee - I can say that I do appreciate your objective review of this subject. Good on you.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
@Zee.: Few people deserve that type of abuse and surely Mike doesn't. But ... he shouldn't be surprised by getting negative reactions. One should have a real understanding that the masses are full of loons. (I've received hate mail at my home from editorials I had in newspapers.) So, the more you instigate, the more you should expect to incite the loons. It's not fun, it's not fair, but...
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- AJ Kohn
I've know Mike for some years now, and I think he is one of the smartest and nicest people I've ever met. The way he looks at businesses and technology is remarkable, and it has been nothing but an honor and pleasure working with him. Imagine getting pitched 30 times a day by entrepreneurs for one story, spat on the face, and more. That's why Mike has to deal with, and no one gives him any credit.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I consider what he pulled on Leo Laporte a personal attack so mark me down in the MA=hate category. He might not have known Leo for a long period of time, however the people that have followed Leo for a long time as I have, know his credibility and integrity are above reproach.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
@Matthew DeVries but death threats is another story altogether...And personally, I would take being spat on very seriously (probably because I'm half iraqi...but still)
- Zee.
@Zee I'm probably not supposed to, and it might come back to bite me, but I will anyway. I had posted a blog entry up at Mashable that had some youtube video of a leaked product demo or something - we had gotten a tip on it in our Mashable inbox, and I ran with it before doing my due diligence. Turns out someone downloaded the TC video before the blog post went up and uploaded it to...
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- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Zee: Just to make it clear, I don't support death threats or spitting on people. That's wrong. But from my observation of MA, he brings a lot of that on himself by his own actions. He makes a conscious decision to be an ass, and people are ... people, not computers. Your laptop won't get mad at you, but people will.
- LANjackal
from IM
I don't think folks hate him - though many really don't like him. From my viewpoint, he seems opinionated - and somewhat intransigent. Of course, that is true for most insightful people (even in the tech community). In many ways, he reminds me of Dave Winer, Adam Curry and even Robert Scoble. Each of these people have important things to say. Sometimes, the way they say it can alienate people. As for me, I like Mike's self confidence. But it's a fine line to walk.
- Lorin Olsen
@Mark - thanks for sharing, very interesting - and yeah he probably did overreact but i guess you can see why he was pissed off eh
- Zee.
Zee, with respect, what you're doing by starting this very thread is giving people yet another platform to people who would like to say why they dislike MA without knowing him. Apart from Mark (ex-Mashable), who is telling the story from one side obviously, I don't think you'll find a lot of people who are going to tell you why they dislike because of something he said or did to them...
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- Robin Wauters
@Zee I can see why he was pissed, but he could have handled it better. That's just from my side, though. The feuding between Mashable / TC was a little nutbar-ish, in my opinion. I know that the only reason I soured on TC at all was as a reaction to the hate from the other side of the table. I have no idea where the emnity started (probably goes back as far as the Jewish-Arab conflicts), and has as much basis in logic as that conflict does as well.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Robin I know what you're saying...but to be honest, I hope for the opposite. There have been a number of occasions when I've posted something written by Arrington and people automatically launch into attacks on him & his character. I raised this (after some debate in my head about whether I should I might add) because I wanted to provide a platform for people to calmly and rationally...
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- Zee.
@Vincent i agree with the "he's public so some people will hate him" but there's no doubt in my mind from the time I've spent online - that he is targeted more so
- Zee.
@Robin: "nothing but a blog" I'm sorry, but I'm someone who has nothing but a blog. Mike was named one of the 100 most influential people by TIME in 2008. I don't dislike Mike for what he does, he's a smart guy and a savvy businessman. But I do dislike his *reaction* to events that unfold and the idea that he's nonplussed that he could be targeted in such a way. Here's my analogy. I'm...
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- AJ Kohn
@Zee: "He's public so some people will hate him" Given that there are MANY public tech personalities, that can't be the only reason
- LANjackal
from IM
Having not read a single response above all I can say is watch this video where he accuses Leo Laporte of giving biased reviews because he had a loaner unit which had to be returned and all will be revealed http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Paul OFlaherty
@Paul - yep, but he has apologized outright for that. I've done worse.
- Zee.
@Zee: Really? Where's this claimed apology? Link?
- LANjackal
from IM
@Zee An apology is all well and good after the fact, It still doesn't change the fact that he was an asshole and if past behavior is anything to judge by he will be again.. Just listen to Laportes reaction, he's pissed not just because of that one event, but because of how Arrington has been for as long as he's known him..
- Paul OFlaherty
I don't hate Mike Arrington or like him either, I don't know him, I can only go by what he writes and what I've seen of him on line. He does like to stir things up, but I not sure if he is always ready for the reaction he gets, when he is not he comes across as self involved. Saying that I certain he would be both fascinating and hair pulling guy to know
- Kim Landwehr
@Paul - yeah i thought the same..but its one person losing it. What i mean is, as much as i like/resppect him, Laporte isn't God - disagreements happen all the time at work and that doesn't make one person bad and the other good. Look, i'm not necessarily standing up for Mike here but I just want to try & put things in perspective. That argument on air is no where near enough for the targeted attacks I've personally seen online directed at him.
- Zee.
Mathew: Arrington has helped MANY people and startups. You are wrong when you say he only hurts people. Absolutely wrong.
- Robert Scoble
@Zee Laporte is by no means god.. LOL He's made his share of cock ups too in the past, but for all that Arrington has done good, he has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way if you know what I mean. He is deliberately abrasive because it brings him attention. When you're that abrasive you become someone that people love to hate.
- Paul OFlaherty
I like Mike. I like Pete at Mashable. I have huge disagreements with how both of them report the news,but that's just my perspective on process journalism. That said, I think it's unfair to judge the guy (Mike) based on what we read online from his media outlet as many of us seem to. Unless you've met the guy in person, it's no use in making an assertion one way or another I feel.
- Brandon Mendelson
@Brandon - exactly. Deliberately controversial posts are part of what makes Techcrunch a success. It's entertainment, pure and simple. People take it far too seriously.
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch has more than a dozen employees at this point.
- Robert Scoble
@Matthew DeVires, The questions asked here by @Zee is "Why do SOME of you dislike/hate Michael Arrington?" The incident with Laporte is a perfect example of why people dislike Arrington. The fact that the settled things between them afterwards is immaterial.
- Paul OFlaherty
@Matthew DeVires I also suggest that instead of bitching at me for not reading what everybody else wrote in the thread, you go and read the question that started the thread!
- Paul OFlaherty
@Paul it is material only to people who are dumb enough to believe that incident characterizes either Michael or Leo.
- Robin Wauters
@Robin, I don't believe it does. It was certainly out of character for Leo to explode like that. Again, it was an example of how Arrington rubs people up the wrong way. How being deliberately abrasive make you the person people love to hate, which I believe I said earlier in this thread.
- Paul OFlaherty
i'm not a fan of Arrington. mostly because i find his mean-spirited behavior little more than link-baiting to promote his own self interest. i've watched from a distance (not a subsriber, etc.) and over the years i've seen him grow more and more strident in his posts - a typical pattern for someone on a personal downward spiral. in the last year this mean attitude has folded back on him...
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- MikeAmundsen
Every industry has its Limbaughs and Hannitys.
- Eric Rice
linkbaiting at its finest Zee, crawl back under a rock, you should be ashamed
- Patphelan
I'm ambivalent - that means I don't give a shit! :P
- Yuvi
@Pat - ashamed of myself?? Linkbaiting to what?
- Zee.
I don't dislike/hate Michael Arrington, he's been very helpful to me on a couple occasions, gotten me in contact with the right people right-away.
- Brandon
@Pat: This isn't baiting in any definition of the word. Zee asked an honest question which probably should have been asked a looong time ago before things got to this stage. The OP doesn't link back to anything anyway. Careful with your accusations, please.
- LANjackal
Heh, I read this thread before the current 'Friendfeed/Syphillis' post on TC. Annnnd that about sums it up. Makes me wanna go kill kittens.
- Eric Rice
I don't actually dislike him, I mean...I mentioned him in one of my songs. He does express strong opinions and usually a lot of people disagree with those opinions. I also think he does it on purpose to drive traffic, but I obviously can't prove that. Maybe he does believe all that stuff he writes :)
- Rah-PM 2012
I've delete a bunch of the last few comments from here - no i've never really done that before but the discussion was going completely off track...
- Zee.
@All: I think the main question here has been answered. MA's internet presence is how most people know him, and many of those people get a negative impression from that, myself admittedly included. On the other hand, those who know him in person or follow him very closely have a more neutral-to-positive view. Character judgments will always be subjective and therefore will always vary...
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- LANjackal
I started poking around the internet 12 years ago, and I spent a lot of time in political blogs, where feelings can run quite raw and grudges can be held forever. I've seen all manner of people and places, and I think I dislike Arrington for two reasons: (a) he runs his mouth without thinking far too frequently for someone who purportedly runs a "news" website and (b) I truly believe...
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- Steven Perez
ding ding ding. We have a winner here folks. Thanks Steven. People can hope all they want about a person's "good intentions" but ignoring your own powers of discernment and judgment in subservience to that hope is actually hopeless. Temple Stark Phoenix, AZ http://templestark.comhttp://twitter.com/templestarkhttp://desicritics.org - "I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing."
- Temple Stark
from email
For me, he falls into the same category as a lot of pundits: he has some very good, specific knowledge that he conflates into declarative statements of dubious provenance. While I can appreciate some of what he says, his often confrontational stance (before being questioned) is a turn off.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I've seen some things lately that say 5. May not be as good as once thought.
- Vince DeGeorge
hey tiffy...continue,i c ur vry good at pointing out vhu ppl are.... so y u stoping nw??? com on giv me ur best shot....SENCIERLY FROM:tenyj....ooops i min SOLANGE KNOWLES...*u knw wht i min ryt* (oh and dont u worry,il update MY own pic for u to c soon....)
- TenyJ Williams
Why can't spammers spell? What is with that? Premature ejection from school? Ineffective spell checker?
- Martha
ok BARONESS.....Tl me whts wrng wit my english huh? nd by the wy im afemale,so dnt use him/her...nd let me nt forgt tht hole thng whn i sed shey nd i sleeping together tht ws just a joke,and i ws jst plyin....
- TenyJ Williams
...thanks Shey. i've been in need of some energy lately. Anika, you got anymore of that popcorn? .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Wow, in the 90's, I used to let the guys on IRC assume I was male in order to avoid comments like TenyJ's first one. I did assume she was joking, but what a 180.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
@TenyJ... but we needs our energy, and popcorn is non-fattening... crunch, crunch! .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Yeah, Baroness, whts wrng wit her english huh? *dead* I'm popping MORE popcorn y'all.
- Anika
OK i cn c tht yall ar truly hating on me...bt its al gud..enjoy ur snaks hey.
- TenyJ Williams
This is our new little girl foster kitten. No name yet, but she is super adorable. She was found in a lot and is very scared and skiddish. Everything makes her jump and she is rather afraid of people. But the magic of head rubs wears away all reservations and I already have gotten a huge purr! She will be a lap cat before long. We will only have her for about 9 days as she is already large enough for her operation and if we can get her liking people they want to get her adopted at soon as possible.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Notes my last post wont make much sense It was intended for the 7 post farther up the food chain sigh
- Tony C (Unrated)
from IM
*lol* no worries Earl. You can delete if you like, or just leave it. It's all good!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Cutie pie!!! Don't know if you've tried this before, but rubbing something scented on all the critters in your home (I use rose water) helps them realize they're in the same pack. I would dab a bit on me and a bit on my cats to help everyone get acclimated.
- FFing Enigma
yay! There are tons of kittens now at most shelters if you are interested. So cute!
- Anna Lynn M.
Good tip! Thanks Tina. Might be really useful with this one. She has been separated from her brothers and sisters as they are all hissing and spitting at people and she was just cowering and hiding so they thought she would adapt quicker separated from the pack. So now she feels very alone. She has that blue bear which she sometimes hides behind which is currently her pack. Petting is working well so far but every little thing that helps is good.
- Rachel Lea Fox
If she's adopted the blue bear into her pack, put the scent on her and the bear first so she'll get used to it. Then start putting a bit on you or whichever human interacts with her the most. Then add in the other animals and people.
- FFing Enigma
Anna, thanks. The shelter I foster with has had less kittens this year than usual, but it seems to be picking up (good for me, bad in general) so I'm hoping I will get more pretty soon after giving this girl back. If there is another lull, I might look into other shelters, but in the past the ones in my area have wanted me to foster cats in general, and I can only do kittens. My older cats won't accept adult cats.
- Rachel Lea Fox
I really have to stop looking at pictures of kittens or I am going to cave and get one before my daughter is completely toilet trained (I promised one as her reward).
- Martha
Martha, are you in northern ca? if so, let me know when your daughter is potty trained and maybe I can recommend a kitten or two. :)
- Rachel Lea Fox
Animals are so lucky for people like you.
- Patricia
Thanks Patricia. I'm so lucky to have all these wonderful sweetie animals in my life. they make me smile. Kevin and I both get so much out of having them!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Patricia, that is AWESOME!!! My older cat will only let me take kittens, she feels threatened by most all adult cats. But she loves the kittens, and I do too so I don't ever get them older than about 3 months. I haven't had many this year, I'm feeling a bit kitten starved. So this little girl will get tons of affection!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Unfortunately, we are in the northeast, but maybe you have suggestions for fostering in this area?
- Martha
Martha, my sister has looked into foster dogs in the Rochester area, but she will likely know about the cats some too. She has done some volunteering, but not fostering yet. Other than that area I wouldn't know much.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Aww, looks like my kitty, only about 14 years younger.
- Rachel Garb
Awesome Rachel! You have a very pretty kitty then!!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Rachel, would you know of any place where I can make a donation for the organisation which rescues kitties / cats ? A website would be good, any place in Bay Area would be fine as well. Thanks.
- vivekian
vivek, we foster for the Palo Alto Animal Services who services Palo Alto, Los Altos, Los Altos Hills and Mountain View. We started with them because Kevin works in Mountain View and heard they were looking for people to foster kittens and most places ask you to foster cats in general (our older cat won't accept adult cats). They are a non profit and we have made donations to them...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
How are the home cats enjoying this latest cute visitor?
- Anne Bouey
They are okay. There is always an adjustment period but then they love the kittens. We kept her separate from them for most of the day with any of them really realizing or stressing. About an hour ago we had a mini introduction. Nym is doing just fine. She seemed to like the kitten, she sniffed her a lot and even buried her nose in the kitten's fur for a bit before getting bored and...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
What a stunning set of visuals. Tim Burton's vision is a perfect fit for this project.
- Piaw Na
Is that...Ann...frickin'...Hathaway?!
- JA Castillo
They look like they should appear in Gotham City
- Joe Dawson
Irrespective of the actors, it looks to be Tim Burton at his tantalizing best.
- Will Higgins™
Tim Burton's version will be interesting, but I really want to see the film version of American McGee's Alice (http://www.imdb.com/title...). If any of you ever played the game (http://pc.ign.com/objects...), you know just how awesome the twist on the story is.
- donato
i can't wait too see that movie! i was re-reading Alice In Wonderland, when i heard about Tim Burton's Alice In Wonderland the movie.. i am so excited :))
- Bahriye
Loving this - YEP - Anne Hathaway as the White Queen! - Stephen Fry is in this also - does anyone know which role he landed? He'd do a great DoorMouse OR White Rabbit!
- Robyn Hawk
Depp looks great! Another home run for Burton?
- Manny
I agree 100% donato - McGee's version would be fantastic. Is there any progress on his movie?
- Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
From (American McGee's Alice) WP (Spoiler-ish): "Shortly after her second adventure, Alice's house is burned down by a fire, killing her parents, and leaving her as the only survivor. Because of the guilt, she tries to commit suicide (bandages can be seen on her wrists), and becomes catatonic. She is institutionalised in Rutledge Asylum. Years later, the White Rabbit summons Alice to...
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- donato
Yeah, the only problem is there is no place to put the ground
- Tyler (Chacha)
I'm guessing the flashing motif is there to warn about overloading. Cause I'd be quite worried about that with people trying to fit more than one per side.
- alphaxion
there's just enough space to stick a sharp metal object into that
- Cee Bee
No ground, no three prong capabilities, no legal in US i'm afraid.
- SteVe C
Possibly the most unsafe socket I have seen in a long time. Form over function?
- John Cooper
Plus, a slot design like this can't make use of the gripper 'bumps' in regular sockets. ( http://www.howstuffworks.com/questio... ) This is total design wankery with little to no consideration for the actual use cases IMO...
- Andrew C (✓)
what about safety? Im sure they could design some sort of cover for it. This is awesome...
- Manny
But why would you cover it? The whole design imperative is the exposed slots, right?
- Andrew C (✓)
I kept putting off watching that movie.. finally was forced to. Good thing, because it was hysterical!
- Tim Hoeck
My only regret is that I couldn't find a gif with Brick killing a guy with a trident.
- Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce
I lent mine to someone and fear I will never see it again. So, I just purchased another copy of it at Target for $3!!! $3, I say!!! What a DEAL! Also purchased? Tommy Boy. Also for $3!!!
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
"Massachusetts Democrat Barney Frank, along with co-sponsors Ron Paul (R-TX); Maurice Hinchey (D-NY); Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA); and Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), has reintroduced legislation to limit the federal government's authority to arrest and prosecute minor marijuana offenders. The measure, entitled an "Act to Remove Federal Penalties for Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults," would eliminate federal penalties for the personal possession of up to 100 grams (three and one-half ounces) of cannabis and for the not-for-profit transfer of up to one ounce of pot - making the prosecutions of these offenses strictly a state matter. Under federal law, defendants found guilty of possessing small amounts of cannabis for their own personal use face up to one year imprisonment and a $1,000 fine. Passage of this act would provide state lawmakers the choice to maintain their current penalties for minor marijuana offenses or eliminate them completely. Lawmakers would also have the option to explore legal alternatives to tax and regulate the adult use and distribution of cannabis free from federal interference."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
hopefully this passes. The should decriminalize growing a few plants for personal use as well. Why not let people grow their own rather than make them go to dangerous places to buy their weed from criminals?
- Thomas Hawk
This is a good thing! Interestingly I see two of the sponsors are Republican.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff, it's Ron Paul, so it's not too unusual. :)
- Michael Ryan
Geez, this is a slippery slope. First it's pot, then.... ;-) Hehe that was for you Bob Young. Actually I've only smoked pot about 3 times in my life but I think it needs to be decriminalized. It's no worse than alcohol in my opinion so yes, even though I am a conservative, I am in favor of this move...
- Todd Walker
@Michael and Bob - a significant majority of conservatives I know are in favor of decrim of some sort. It's not a one-party issue at all. From their point of view, small government and individual liberty means government not telling a free citizen what they can and cannot ingest.
- Anthony Citrano
This is going to save a lot of money.
- Mona Nomura
Brian - that's when there is a problem. There is nothing wrong with asking, it's a city job in MONTANA. Derrick - are you talking about my friends in SF or Montana-ians?
- Mona Nomura
Then Mona there is a problem. There is everything wrong with asking.
- Brian Sullivan
And this is why I never want a government job. I'll live in a box before I work for the government. Also, if it was a private business, they'd be tarred and feathered.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
How so? No one has been hired or fired yet, it's just on the application. All the headlines from the other articles are twisting things out of context. The application is not forcing anyone to share their log-ins and passwords. And at least they are upfront about it. SFPD, you'd just get fired.
- Mona Nomura
bet you that there are a lot of people who fill out both those blanks completely.
- Kim Landwehr
I know, so sad. We, as a nation, need to get smarter -- comprehend, not just understand context. :(
- Mona Nomura
"asking", full stop, is one thing, "asking" in a job application is another thing. Or, what Brian said earlier.
- Andrew C (✓)
What is this a telegram? What do you mean by full stop? Remember, this is not just any job application, it is a government job in Montana.
- Mona Nomura
What does it being in Montana have to do with anything?
- Michael McKean
It is a conservative state, Michael.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, do you have more details on the "no facebook for SFFD" thing? I'd like to warn someone if there really *is* an issue with using soc.nets and working for SFFD.
- Richard Walker
it's a State!?! i thought it was a un-annexed section of Canada ;)
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Richard - I don't think it's a SFFD written policy but several childhood friends of mine were told they aren't allowed to sign up for Facebook or Myspace, I'll ask if it's written. Separately, someone I know on the SFPD said he deleted his Facebook after someone he knew got fired for some pretty incriminating photos. Again, no written policy -- just unspoken rules. Let me ask to get their stories again.
- Mona Nomura
Getting fired for incriminating photos is a bit different than getting fired for simply having an account.
- Michael McKean
Asking which social networks you use is one thing, and reasonable. Asking for log-in information is another. Doesn't matter what state it's in or what job you're applying for. It's a major violation of privacy to even ask.
- The original Kevin
"What do you mean by full stop?" I meant something like "Asking (without any other context), implying a generic situation such a random friendly conversation".
- Andrew C (✓)
Michael - who got fired for simply having an account? Again, the application states they can, not must, CAN provide log-in and passwords. It's a heads-up from the get-go as opposed to sneakiness as unspoken rules. Being upfront with expectations > getting hit blind sighted.
- Mona Nomura
And call me ignorant, but I don't get why it being a gov't job in Montana means this gets a pass from you, Mona.
- Andrew C (✓)
Mona, I was referring to your previous statement about the SFPD and SFFD.
- Michael McKean
Montana is known to be a conservative state, look at its voting record. http://www.270towin.com/states... Andrew, I am still not understanding what you were rambling about :)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Thanks Mona... he's a recent facebook-er, and there was some concern on his part regarding stuff his friends say on his wall... I'll just reiterate to him to beware the "network privacy hole" (my term) and to freely delete anything that could be a problem in his day job. Also, facebook privacy is easily defeated when people share your stuff outside of facebook. Photo downloads and screen captures included.
- Richard Walker
Richard - tell him to set his profile so it's not searchable and everything can only be seen by his friends only.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Yes, but when you make your high school your "network" for discovery, that's the "hole"... and if you join a "regional" network like San Francisco, millions can see your profile. (edit) am I missing something about the "not searchable" setting? I'm unclear on how that works with "networks"....
- Richard Walker
When privacy is set to unsearchable, regardless of the network one joins, the profile does not show up in searches.
- Mona Nomura
Thanks Mona. NOW, can you PLEASE tell me how to kill Mafia Wars? I've tried everything! It seems they cleverly hid the "remove application" feature... Thank you X one million... I'll owe you lunch at Waterbar next time you're in town :-)
- Richard Walker
Hahhaha!! I hid Mafia Wars and Little Green Patch so long ago, I'm not sure how to do it now. :)
- Mona Nomura
It is wrong, plain wrong to ask for Log-ins and password information, even if it's optional.
- ChiliMac
*sigh* I've cleaned house in all the "application" permission classes, and disallowed notifications. But still, I'm apparently Don Reechard teh Zombee :-D
- Richard Walker
(imagined phrase from imagined job interview) -- Had you filled up your social networks? What, none? And if I would find? http://namechk.com/http://pipl.com/
- A. T.
How cleverly they hid it. I search on "Mafia Wars" and "block application." Mafia Wars is completely absent from my account settings, yet it isn't "blocked." I suspect the very worst motives on Facebook's part. "authorize" vs. "notification settings" vs. "add app." vs. "block app"... "did you really mean you don't want this app to access your profile and send updates to your employer?"
- Richard Walker
Mona, OK, maybe I was being too brief or slang-y. I mean that asking for that kind of information in casual conversation is OK, but asking in the context of a job application process simply is not. Consider: there are certain questions (marital status, age, etc) that are legally not open to questioning in the job application process. Logins and passwords aren't among them, but morally, anyways, I feel that it's a similar thing.
- Andrew C (✓)
In the private sector --yes, not so much in public.
- Mona Nomura
Why is that the factor that makes it OK?
- Andrew C (✓)
"This guide explains the why and how of background checks. It also tells you what can be covered in a background report, your rights under the Fair Credit Reporting Act, and what you can do to prepare. For more information, go to the References section at the end of this guide. The PRC does not perform background checks." http://www.privacyrights.org/fs...
- Mona Nomura
They were portrayed as a backwards luddite town in the semi-autobiographical: "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". Looks like they are still living up to the portrayal.
- no name
I still stand by my original statement: at least they are upfront.
- Mona Nomura
I don't see how asking for such information as this can be legal - via the simple fact that age discrimination in hiring is not. Requesting logins like this is in effect asking for much more information with which to discriminate against you. Any lawsuit-happy person could apply, provide these logins, and if they don't get the job, sue for discrimination based on whatever. The plaintiff uses as evidence the fact that access to personal information was requested by the defendant.
- Richard Walker