Alright, for some reason this reminds me of the phone call I had with my mother Sunday, when we both started talking in really crappy Sean Connery accents. Fabuloush!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
If it's a school picture, you KNOW it's Olan Mills! At least, that's the way it was around here. Those folks had a lock on the uncomfortably posed photo market.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
uncomfortable pose? looks pretty comfortable to me lol :P
- Rob Sellen :o)
"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Super cool VW Bus making a comeback...
- Walt Ruppar
First of all, I'll cop to wanting one of these. That being said, Jason is right. This is for rich hippies (who probably aren't hippies at all). The VW microbus became the darling of the Flower Power crowd because it was cheap, easy to repair, and big. You could camp in it. Is there a car today that fits this bill?
- Chris Baskind
wow, you can buy an awful lot of pot with $129,000.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't know a self-respecting hippie that would prefer this over a really nice indoor greenhouse. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Chris, Most cars today aren't as simple, but with the wealth of knowledge online, it just takes more time. The minivan/SUV can become a camper van with a few mods. They'll never take the place of the VW, but they're an updated version of the 70s panelvan conversions (hopefully without shag carpeting & a disco-ball).
- Steven Cains
Nope: there will never be anything that simple again. That's not all bad: I can't imagine a 1960s VW Minibus would satisfy *any* federal safety standard these days. You're right. A used minivan might be the closest thing.
- Chris Baskind
Very Cool. You can't drive your house but, you can sleep in your Van !!!
- Eric Logan
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home.
- Melanie Reed
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
cool idea, kol. the ff-stream of this tour would be alltheawe. just imagine the photos.
- esther ♥ ♫
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome!
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this.
- Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival!
- Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks!
- Cee Bee
So after reading this article yesterday, I found myself this evening in front of a local place that specializes in reconditioning old VWs. It was closed, but there's an awesome red and white microbus out front with a For Sale sign on it. Ugly, underpowered -- and probably dangerous, by modern standards. Want. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Cee, really? I find FF search is pretty good.
- Kol Tregaskes
I love this Mobile...owned a few Vdubs, lived in a VW camper, but this is off the hook..I would become a true nomad with this...
- bcultral
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory.
- Kol Tregaskes
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him.
- Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey
- Bill Rawlinson
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here
- mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week!
- Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page)
- Micah Wittman
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals...
- Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like.
- Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments
- Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief!
- Lindsay
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both)
- Micah Wittman
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks!
- Micah Wittman
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots)
- Micah Wittman
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up.
- Tyson Key
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology....
- David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39
- David HC Soul
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others).
- Micah Wittman
Darn - 0.52. I guess I need to say why I like something a little more often :-) Liking this thread because I was wondering the same thing recently. Has anybody worked out the average from the numbers here? </islazy>
- Andy Bold
Andy, scroll upward and you'll see a couple calculations from before (January: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81)
- Micah Wittman
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :)
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!)
- Micah Wittman
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas.
- Micah Wittman
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good!
- Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me.
- Micah Wittman
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it.
- Micah Wittman
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!!
- Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine!
- Micah Wittman
0.89 (17818/19913) (Somebody better make a cool ass graph of all this data!)
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments)..
- Chris Myles
OK, so statistically, what ratio results in better interaction on FF?
- Jason Huebel
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience.
- Micah Wittman
So I'm fairly balanced, it appears. I would imagine it's because I try to comment on every post I like. That's not always true, obviously. But mostly it is.
- Jason Huebel
Just clicking "Like" seems too easy. I feel like I should say something, too.
- Jason Huebel
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff)
- chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered?
- Micah Wittman
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while...
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically.
- Micah Wittman
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Thanks Paola, Michael, Artemko, J. and Daniel!
- Micah Wittman
1.09 (9990/9105) From and including: Saturday, April 26, 2008 To and including: Thursday, November 12, 2009 It is 566 days from the start date to the end date, end date included Or 1 year, 6 months, 18 days including the end date to reach 10,000 comments.
- Christopher Harley
But no one makes love like Neil Patrick Harris is dancing? FAIL!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
My brother in law in the Philippines can't be dissuaded from naming his son Elmo. I hope that unborn boy is ready to be tormented for the rest of his life. Why do parents do that to their kids?
- Bradley Farless
You know, in my heart I hope that people like NPH who seem just so damn awesome on the screen are just as cool in real life. Anyone met the fellow in person?
- Adam Lasnik
I'm sure he's a decent guy. Never met him, though.
- Josh Haley
But he sure can dance, just look at him go!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Love him when he's unicorn watching.
- Gabrielle V
Okay, I swear I am not just pimpin' good swing music, but I was looking at this GIF and listening to this song - http://lala.com/zPe9 ("Billie's Bounce" performed live by Buddy Rich) - and it matches! :o
- Adam Lasnik
Gross. I just unliked to be contrary. Yet another reason why I pulled back from FriendFeed. And why getting swallowed up by Facebook, the great leveler, couldn't make more sense.
- Rick Powell
That's right, all you horrible time-wasters you! Get back to talking about kernels and APIs! Have you no Protestant work-ethic? /sarcasm
- Neal Jansons
It didn't! I have no idea what it was, a friend sent me the pic and I was so horrified I had to force everyone else to see it. I would flee and scream like a little girl if I saw this in my house
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
are those....*fangs* at the front? Cool looking as long as it's not anywhere near me.
- WorldofHiglet
You can keep it outside. In a hermetically sealed chamber. With tinted windows. DO NOT WANT IN THIS HOUSE.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I just found my Xmas present for Anika...She will love this for her bug collection... hehehe
- Bill Heslin
This is a Dobsonfly http://bacn.me/7dw It's a male and cannot actually bite. Females can however. They are native to all 50 states. Even California where like everything else, bugs are illegal.
- Christian (Simply X)
"They are not poisonous, but possess an irritating, foul-smelling anal spray as a last-ditch defense"... it even FARTS... I love it! :D
- Andrea (Notorious)
Tell me what country that is from and I'll put that on my do-not-visit list ;-) (oh, nuts... it's here in the US???? - help me!)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I am *so* gonna try to find one of these somewhere and pose with it. I think I saw one of these on one of the screen doors at my parents' house once. I admit that it made even my bug-loving heart jump a little. I at least knew in advance that such things existed.
- Kamilah Gill
that looks like something right out of the Australian outback...yikes!
- Susan Beebe
Updated the title since most people won't want to read the 70 comments to find the answer. :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
@Haggis ....LOLz! hell, no, I wasn't going to wade through 70+ comments to find the answer. my "Boll Weevil" ploy worked! i got the answer in just 2 comments! now THAT is real-time search.
- .LAG liked that
"Ms Wolfe, from Pennsylvania, suffers from a condition where people develop sexual feelings towards objects." What? I had no idea this even existed.
- Michelle Martinez
The same shit 300 per year? Boring as hell, does she ride any other?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Yo' Love is like... a rollercoaster, baby baby.... You know, I see stories like this sometimes and wonder why I try to write fiction. Eventually you're just taking dictation.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
I wonder if she takes a souvenir photo of herself every time she orgasms at home
- Johnny Worthington
How can she love it? It never calls, it never writes. Weird.
- pea
[insert obvious 'she's got a ticket to ride' joke here]
- pea
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
این نمودار نشاندهنده افت فرندفید به دلیل بسته شدن آن در ایران است
- Mycaptain
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
Is it possible that the same folks from Iran that are active on Friendfeed are the ones out protesting?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
@Kevin, totally understandable.
- EricaJoy
from IM
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat DEMİREL
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat DEMİREL
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
Yes, it happend and we have to use proxy to access friendfeed. Look at democracy in Iran...
- Zahra (raoros)
The coversations and comments here are educational.
- Seek Ground
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
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- Selma
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
its a shame. it was one the main media we used to inform ppl. thats why they filtered it. now many users cant sign in
- Myri∂m
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- emin
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران Never Changed
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
FF is a useful website for Iranian People to get reliable information about demonstration against presidential election.
- پارسـا
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
and Now Yahoo messenger and google talk blocked in iran :((((
- پارسـا
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
google block fftogo for iranian users!!!
- ★amin.m★
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Alexandros Georgiadis:for frienddeck.com I see this:You are accessing this page from a forbidden country! but dev.ctor.org/f2p worked! thank you :)
- ★amin.m★
from MojiPage
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
now chat like gmail or yahoo messenger are blocked too
- egza
for me,yahoo messenger is not blocked yet!
- ★amin.m★
from f2p
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Gill
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
pool pics are great! :) and i always like your car closeups. i tried to take one or two like that in San Fran last weekend.
- edythe
Thanks. Had to take the cam in the pool. The shot had to be taken. It was easier to do since it was a film cam. Car pics are always my fav. I looooove classic rides. The lines, shapes and curves, today's cars can't match that design.
- Tsega Dinka
from email
or maybe he's got a double life, daytime geek nighttime the big oscar winner LOL. That would be interesting if we have Apple WWDC and Oscar at the same time.
- Amiroo ™
I get this all the time! He's my stunt double!
- Robert Scoble
We should chart the number of times this old chestnut appears. Or something. Amusing thing is it always seems to be exactly the same pics used for the example, lol
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
I always thought that Seymour Hoffman was Scoble's alter ego. I bet they have never been photographed together. Coincidence? I don't think so!
- Keith Beucler
Pretty close. :) Seymour Hoffman maybe underrated but he's a superb actor.
- jan geronimo
not that you don't get star treatment already ;) but you could walk into anywhere channeling PSH - best tables and autographs baby!
- BEX
Huh? I thought "Robert Scoble" was just PSH's on-line alter-ego...
- Adrian
I have thought that for a long time. Nice.
- Ben Hanten
It's Philip Seymour Hoffman's biggest role to date!
- Joshua M
Ok, to disprove the conspiracy... I propose that this *Robert Scoble* shave his head and appear in public. Although, I suppose PSH could just wear a wig.
- Adrian
I heard they're really twins separated at birth.
- imabonehead
I was just watching State and Main yesterday that "the big secret" had been revealed to me
- Amiroo ™
I am certain @scobleizer was used as a double in Doubt.
- Bernie Goldbach
Hehe... I've mentioned that to my wife several times. If they ever make a movie about Scoble, Phillip Seymour Hoffman it is (or vice versa).
- LionelatDell
OMG, congrats to Robert Scoble, you have won the Media Master Award for being a FriendFeed cheerleader. LOL.
- Zachary TG
"Participants to the sneak preview of 'The Ledge,' stand on the new glass balconies suspended 1,353 feet (412 meters) in the air and jut out 4 feet (1.22 meters) from the Sears Tower's 103rd floor Skydeck Wednesday, July 1, 2009 in Chicago. The Ledge will open to public on Thursday."
- AJ Batac
from Bookmarklet
I'd do a poopoo in my pants but I would do it...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
maybe it is a good way to saved suffering from acrophobia :D
- nursel
very interesting and scary at the same time
- Michelle
Good stuff. Also: try being on the engineering team at shipping port and having to climb all over 100m cranes (did in 2006). You'll grow an extra pair
- LANjackal
I think I'd go out on it. Maybe. Looks pretty awesome. Love seeing the little girl with no fear. Little kids would zip around fearlessly in jet packs if we had em.
- Internet's Tad
I think I would die if I stepped out on that, but I would try anyway.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Bear with me a moment while I attempt to retrieve my scrotum from my abdominal cavity...
- Mark Jepsen
This is so awesome. I would kill to have something like that in Montreal
- Robert D'Alesio
You probably couldn't get me to go further than the 5th floor, let alone, the 103rd floor, plus out on a glass floor hanging over the city. Sorry Mr Wonka, but I'll take the stairs.
- Tim Young
I hope they keep a cleaning crew or a mop handy.
- George Brickner
*Gulp* I doubt I'd last even 2 minutes standing on that...
- Tyson Key
Rochelle, hit them on the head precisely with a stick kills most small ones. Hitting them on the body will just make a situation worse as they will retaliate.
- AJ Batac
I was watering the plants and found it behind the potted bamboo; rushed in, got my camera took a pic and called the neighbors for help. It was a beautiful little baby and it hide behind the staircase. They pushed it out and one of the neighbors killed it. Made very loud hissing sounds. In our area we get lots of cobras during rainy seasons. We do have resident rat snake that comes and goes and is most welcome at our place but cobras are not welcome for obvious seasons.
- Deepti
Deepti took the picture incidentally, great presence of mind, Dee - I'm sure i would have freaked out.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Ew, ew, ew. The only snakes we have here are little garden snakes which are just tiny little worm things. The rest are at the zoo.
- Rochelle
Thanks, Deepti, for taking the photo. As I said in the other thread, it is a beautiful snake.
- Admiral Anika
Is there a way to get these Flockr garden cobras to infest my friends' Facebook Farmlands?
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
Anika, it was a majestic creature. I hated it when they killed the little one but we had no other choice.
- Deepti
My first thought would have been total freak out... but if It wasn't moving toward me then I probably would have grabbed the camera too. HAHAH! Great capture! Even though I DO NOT like snakes, it is a shame you had to kill it.
- Lindsay
Lindsay, I am way past the freaking out stage after my first run in with a massive rat snake but then again when I first heard it hiss I involuntarily yelled- Mommy!!
- Deepti
"A conservative Iranian newspaper says the country's main opposition leader must be tried for inciting unrest after June's disputed presidential elections."
- M F
from Bookmarklet
You do not mess with old man strength
- Will Higgins™
The judge said the punk 'got what he deserved'. GOD BLESS THE UK. Also the punk said he 'didn't remember what happened'. Of course he didn't, he got KNOCKED THE F*CK OUT.
- Will Higgins™
I imagine him standing over a bruised and bloody burglar saying "get off my lawn." The picture in my head is pretty epic.
- Aaron Hood
Sorry, I got a little excited by how awesome this story is. The guy kinda does look like Clint, doesn't he?
- Will Higgins™
the retired boxer "caressed" the burglar very efficiently :)
- Besim Dönmez
Haven't read the whole thread. In case it hasn't been stated more clearly: "Don't get into fist fights with boxers." If they are old boxers, and you have no skills, they will still kick your ass. Better bring a gun if you're a pussy.
- Christopher A Carr
A big virtual pat on the back there eh... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
LOL Awesome! I wanna grow up to be just like him ;)
- Paul OFlaherty
This made me smile, how awesome this little fart got what he was due. How dare he pick on the elderly and how wonderful the elderly did rearranging some youthful behavior.
- Janet
+1 jlt, that kid won't soon forget this beating. Maybe he'll get a clue.
- Jason Huebel
He got 4 and 1/2 years in prison along with the beat down.
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
"McCalium had denied the charge and claimed he could not remember what happened." After the knocks to the head he got I believe it. Good for you, old timer. Glad the UK has better laws than the US. If it were the US, the burglar might have sued and won.
- Bradley Farless
That is why you finish the job here in the US and then place a pointy object in the assailants hand. More mess but less litigation. Odd how blind lady justice can be.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
What? There's another view? Please post.
- Ken Morley
I'm pretty sure it's in the collection "Never Eat Anything Bigger Than Your Head", published back in the early/mid 70s. I know I've got it around here somewhere...
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Although some object to people who "like" too much, I believe Morton Fox putting likes on entries really encourages new FriendFeed users - and estahlished ones too! He is http://friendfeed.com/mortonf.... I would be happy to assist anyone in any way I can.
- Internet Strategist
Actually - This looks a lot better than the current SUL?! Who's Shey? :)
- Charlie Anzman
Anika. She's full of information about gardening, cooking, parenting, drinking (haha). Plus, she's cool. http://friendfeed.com/fabooma... (and thanks, Chris!)
- Trish R
I've been wanting to ask this for a while, and considering Mike Arrington is a web celeb now - i'll just ask publicly. Why do SOME of you dislike/hate Michael Arrington? It's not a rhetorical question btw - i'm genuinely asking because i've thought hard...and can't think of anything that that he's specifically done.
have some of you had personal bad experiences with him? Is it just that you think he's arrogant. I've personally got no issue with the guy aside from the fact that he's technically competition for TheNextWeb and I think he & his site make techmeme way too often! :)
- Zee.
My personal interactions with Mike have all been good. (E-mail, phone, F2F) His positions no doubt occasionally disagree with mine.
- Louis Gray
Well, I for one do not hate or dislike him. In fact, I think he's brilliant, but he also tends to think out loud (or think while posting, I guess) and therefore comes across as abrasive. He is frequently wrong too, but has real trouble thinking that there may exist other viewpoints besides his own, especially in the midst of a discussion. At times like that he just goes on and on, and eventually just makes a bore of himself.
- Jim Hearts FF
@Louis and that's what i seem to hear from most industry professionals who have encountered him...So i'm stil left confused. Is it mainly because at times Techcrunch has broken embargoes and so the majority of haters are PR folk and entrepreneurs? Or is it mainly other competing bloggers? I mean where the heck does some of the hatred come from...
- Zee.
He didn't really pop up on my radar till that thing with Leo Laporte (which apparently was the result of a big misunderstanding?) I was subbed to the TechCrunch account here on ff and thought that a lot of the stuff that popped up was pretty interesting. If anything I "hate" that he's gone...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
I think he's a savvy guy and he's opinionated. I don't know the guy personally but it seems like he takes things *way* too personal, but perhaps that's what drives him to be great. Lately it seems like he just doesn't want to listen anymore and that's a dangerous place to be for any profession IMO.
- AJ Kohn
@AJ I would normally tend to agree but then again - when someone spits in his face and he receives death threats...surely that's personal no?
- Zee.
My initial personal interaction with MA was when I was at Mashable - given that, it's not surprising that it was particularly negative. He seems to have softened on me as an individual since I've left there.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
1st of all, I don't *actively* dislike him = I don't seek out opportunities to tear him down or flame him. I even empathized with him when he wrote about being publicly spit on and considering restraining orders in the past. Then the Last.fm episode happened. After the dust settled, it was clear that MA had spun whatever actually happened in the most accusatory manner possible. I...
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- LANjackal
He is the Perez Hilton of tech. He made an ass load of money only by hurting people. He loses his freakin mind if ever the camera looks back at him and calls him on his fuckery. He horribly over-reacts to perceived "danger" and threats and "violence" (he was spit on, that is not violence).
- Matthew DeVries
@Mark - can you reveal any details publicly about the interactions with him at Mashable?
- Zee.
Zee - I can say that I do appreciate your objective review of this subject. Good on you.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
@Zee.: Few people deserve that type of abuse and surely Mike doesn't. But ... he shouldn't be surprised by getting negative reactions. One should have a real understanding that the masses are full of loons. (I've received hate mail at my home from editorials I had in newspapers.) So, the more you instigate, the more you should expect to incite the loons. It's not fun, it's not fair, but...
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- AJ Kohn
I've know Mike for some years now, and I think he is one of the smartest and nicest people I've ever met. The way he looks at businesses and technology is remarkable, and it has been nothing but an honor and pleasure working with him. Imagine getting pitched 30 times a day by entrepreneurs for one story, spat on the face, and more. That's why Mike has to deal with, and no one gives him any credit.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I consider what he pulled on Leo Laporte a personal attack so mark me down in the MA=hate category. He might not have known Leo for a long period of time, however the people that have followed Leo for a long time as I have, know his credibility and integrity are above reproach.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
@Matthew DeVries but death threats is another story altogether...And personally, I would take being spat on very seriously (probably because I'm half iraqi...but still)
- Zee.
@Zee I'm probably not supposed to, and it might come back to bite me, but I will anyway. I had posted a blog entry up at Mashable that had some youtube video of a leaked product demo or something - we had gotten a tip on it in our Mashable inbox, and I ran with it before doing my due diligence. Turns out someone downloaded the TC video before the blog post went up and uploaded it to...
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- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Zee: Just to make it clear, I don't support death threats or spitting on people. That's wrong. But from my observation of MA, he brings a lot of that on himself by his own actions. He makes a conscious decision to be an ass, and people are ... people, not computers. Your laptop won't get mad at you, but people will.
- LANjackal
from IM
I don't think folks hate him - though many really don't like him. From my viewpoint, he seems opinionated - and somewhat intransigent. Of course, that is true for most insightful people (even in the tech community). In many ways, he reminds me of Dave Winer, Adam Curry and even Robert Scoble. Each of these people have important things to say. Sometimes, the way they say it can alienate people. As for me, I like Mike's self confidence. But it's a fine line to walk.
- Lorin Olsen
@Mark - thanks for sharing, very interesting - and yeah he probably did overreact but i guess you can see why he was pissed off eh
- Zee.
Zee, with respect, what you're doing by starting this very thread is giving people yet another platform to people who would like to say why they dislike MA without knowing him. Apart from Mark (ex-Mashable), who is telling the story from one side obviously, I don't think you'll find a lot of people who are going to tell you why they dislike because of something he said or did to them...
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- Robin Wauters
@Zee I can see why he was pissed, but he could have handled it better. That's just from my side, though. The feuding between Mashable / TC was a little nutbar-ish, in my opinion. I know that the only reason I soured on TC at all was as a reaction to the hate from the other side of the table. I have no idea where the emnity started (probably goes back as far as the Jewish-Arab conflicts), and has as much basis in logic as that conflict does as well.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Robin I know what you're saying...but to be honest, I hope for the opposite. There have been a number of occasions when I've posted something written by Arrington and people automatically launch into attacks on him & his character. I raised this (after some debate in my head about whether I should I might add) because I wanted to provide a platform for people to calmly and rationally...
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- Zee.
Rather than something specific, wasn't the original criticism that Techcrunch was making & breaking web-startups back in "the day?" Which may or may not have lead to the amount of trolls commenting on Techcrunch, which may or may not have lead to the death threat, which may or may not have lead to the backlash at his comment on Laporte's Pre? Who really has time to keep track of it all, he's public so some people will hate him.
- Vincent van Wylick
@Vincent i agree with the "he's public so some people will hate him" but there's no doubt in my mind from the time I've spent online - that he is targeted more so
- Zee.
@Robin: "nothing but a blog" I'm sorry, but I'm someone who has nothing but a blog. Mike was named one of the 100 most influential people by TIME in 2008. I don't dislike Mike for what he does, he's a smart guy and a savvy businessman. But I do dislike his *reaction* to events that unfold and the idea that he's nonplussed that he could be targeted in such a way. Here's my analogy. I'm...
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- AJ Kohn
@Zee: "He's public so some people will hate him" Given that there are MANY public tech personalities, that can't be the only reason
- LANjackal
from IM
Having not read a single response above all I can say is watch this video where he accuses Leo Laporte of giving biased reviews because he had a loaner unit which had to be returned and all will be revealed http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Paul OFlaherty
@Paul - yep, but he has apologized outright for that. I've done worse.
- Zee.
@Zee: Really? Where's this claimed apology? Link?
- LANjackal
from IM
@Zee An apology is all well and good after the fact, It still doesn't change the fact that he was an asshole and if past behavior is anything to judge by he will be again.. Just listen to Laportes reaction, he's pissed not just because of that one event, but because of how Arrington has been for as long as he's known him..
- Paul OFlaherty
I don't hate Mike Arrington or like him either, I don't know him, I can only go by what he writes and what I've seen of him on line. He does like to stir things up, but I not sure if he is always ready for the reaction he gets, when he is not he comes across as self involved. Saying that I certain he would be both fascinating and hair pulling guy to know
- Kim Landwehr
@Paul - yeah i thought the same..but its one person losing it. What i mean is, as much as i like/resppect him, Laporte isn't God - disagreements happen all the time at work and that doesn't make one person bad and the other good. Look, i'm not necessarily standing up for Mike here but I just want to try & put things in perspective. That argument on air is no where near enough for the targeted attacks I've personally seen online directed at him.
- Zee.
Mathew: Arrington has helped MANY people and startups. You are wrong when you say he only hurts people. Absolutely wrong.
- Robert Scoble
@Zee Laporte is by no means god.. LOL He's made his share of cock ups too in the past, but for all that Arrington has done good, he has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way if you know what I mean. He is deliberately abrasive because it brings him attention. When you're that abrasive you become someone that people love to hate.
- Paul OFlaherty
I like Mike. I like Pete at Mashable. I have huge disagreements with how both of them report the news,but that's just my perspective on process journalism. That said, I think it's unfair to judge the guy (Mike) based on what we read online from his media outlet as many of us seem to. Unless you've met the guy in person, it's no use in making an assertion one way or another I feel.
- Brandon Mendelson
Why do I get the feeling that the original question will not get answered in this thread? :) Based on a brief Google search, you can write a whole thesis on why people love/hate Arrington, and how justified it all is.
- Vincent van Wylick
@Brandon - exactly. Deliberately controversial posts are part of what makes Techcrunch a success. It's entertainment, pure and simple. People take it far too seriously.
- Martin Bryant
The problem is that it's not just entertainment. Techcrunch has a lot of voice and what it publishes can make huge waves on and off the internet. Whether such power should be wielded by a single person/editor, I don't know.
- Vincent van Wylick
TechCrunch has more than a dozen employees at this point.
- Robert Scoble
That's true, it's an organisation, which is great. But take today, he compared Friendfeed to a virus like Syphilis. I personally don't mind the comparison, but I'm sure other people will. It's provocative blogging and he's using a powerful platform, Techcrunch, to state a personal opinion. It's the nature of the internet that this is happening and I don't know where it's all going, but many little (potential) needles can make for a sharp object.
- Vincent van Wylick
@Paul - guess what, the Leo thing was a mistake, a misunderstanding. It was cleared up inside an hour by the two people involved on the dispute and it was over. You are barney fife and are not allowed to have an opinion because you were not invovled in the dispute and the people involved were finished with it. Leo said it was done and forgiven, so be done with it and forgive it and quit...
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- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
@Matthew DeVires, The questions asked here by @Zee is "Why do SOME of you dislike/hate Michael Arrington?" The incident with Laporte is a perfect example of why people dislike Arrington. The fact that the settled things between them afterwards is immaterial.
- Paul OFlaherty
@Matthew DeVires I also suggest that instead of bitching at me for not reading what everybody else wrote in the thread, you go and read the question that started the thread!
- Paul OFlaherty
@Paul it is material only to people who are dumb enough to believe that incident characterizes either Michael or Leo.
- Robin Wauters
@Robin, I don't believe it does. It was certainly out of character for Leo to explode like that. Again, it was an example of how Arrington rubs people up the wrong way. How being deliberately abrasive make you the person people love to hate, which I believe I said earlier in this thread.
- Paul OFlaherty
i'm not a fan of Arrington. mostly because i find his mean-spirited behavior little more than link-baiting to promote his own self interest. i've watched from a distance (not a subsriber, etc.) and over the years i've seen him grow more and more strident in his posts - a typical pattern for someone on a personal downward spiral. in the last year this mean attitude has folded back on him...
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- MikeAmundsen
@Paul - That incident is not an incident, therefore is not relevant to the proceedings. You should delete your post and read the thread next time.
- Matthew DeVries
Every industry has its Limbaughs and Hannitys.
- Eric Rice
linkbaiting at its finest Zee, crawl back under a rock, you should be ashamed
- Patphelan
I'm ambivalent - that means I don't give a shit! :P
- Yuvi
@Pat - ashamed of myself?? Linkbaiting to what?
- Zee.
When I was in college, there was this kid who claimed to like hockey, and we were watching a game. We called the goalie a "Sieve". He thought it meant asshole, and started calling everyone that for like 2 weeks. It showed that he didn't know jack about hockey. You seem to have just learned the word "Link-baiting" think it just means asshole and you're tossing it where ever, though it doesn't even remotely apply.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't dislike/hate Michael Arrington, he's been very helpful to me on a couple occasions, gotten me in contact with the right people right-away.
- Brandon
@Pat: This isn't baiting in any definition of the word. Zee asked an honest question which probably should have been asked a looong time ago before things got to this stage. The OP doesn't link back to anything anyway. Careful with your accusations, please.
- LANjackal
Heh, I read this thread before the current 'Friendfeed/Syphillis' post on TC. Annnnd that about sums it up. Makes me wanna go kill kittens.
- Eric Rice
I don't actually dislike him, I mean...I mentioned him in one of my songs. He does express strong opinions and usually a lot of people disagree with those opinions. I also think he does it on purpose to drive traffic, but I obviously can't prove that. Maybe he does believe all that stuff he writes :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
The dude was right, this is a Mob here. You would think all you California dudes would be surfin' or eating mushrooms, but here you are picking on each other!
- aTechDude
I've delete a bunch of the last few comments from here - no i've never really done that before but the discussion was going completely off track...
- Zee.
@All: I think the main question here has been answered. MA's internet presence is how most people know him, and many of those people get a negative impression from that, myself admittedly included. On the other hand, those who know him in person or follow him very closely have a more neutral-to-positive view. Character judgments will always be subjective and therefore will always vary...
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- LANjackal
@matthew apples and oranges mate apples and oranges....
- Rasmus Lauridsen
No you didn't Zee, there were never any posts there. They were annulled from the proceedings and thus never happened. And now Paul and I will make up and no one gets to take either side, cause we're both hunky and dorry
- Matthew DeVries
I started poking around the internet 12 years ago, and I spent a lot of time in political blogs, where feelings can run quite raw and grudges can be held forever. I've seen all manner of people and places, and I think I dislike Arrington for two reasons: (a) he runs his mouth without thinking far too frequently for someone who purportedly runs a "news" website and (b) I truly believe...
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- Steven Perez
ding ding ding. We have a winner here folks. Thanks Steven. People can hope all they want about a person's "good intentions" but ignoring your own powers of discernment and judgment in subservience to that hope is actually hopeless. Temple Stark Phoenix, AZ http://templestark.comhttp://twitter.com/templestarkhttp://desicritics.org - "I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing."
- Temple Stark
from email
For me, he falls into the same category as a lot of pundits: he has some very good, specific knowledge that he conflates into declarative statements of dubious provenance. While I can appreciate some of what he says, his often confrontational stance (before being questioned) is a turn off.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I've seen some things lately that say 5. May not be as good as once thought.
- Vince DeGeorge
hey tiffy...continue,i c ur vry good at pointing out vhu ppl are.... so y u stoping nw??? com on giv me ur best shot....SENCIERLY FROM:tenyj....ooops i min SOLANGE KNOWLES...*u knw wht i min ryt* (oh and dont u worry,il update MY own pic for u to c soon....)
- TenyJ Williams
Why can't spammers spell? What is with that? Premature ejection from school? Ineffective spell checker?
- Martha
who knows martha. i am impressed by teny's interaction though. this is high-quality spamming / trolling.
- tiffany
I'm having a hard time deciphering TenyJ's unique grasp of the english language. But maybe you should sleep with her/him, Shey. ETA: Creeeeeeeepy feed. Shey gettin' cyberstalked. I'mma write a Lifetime movie about you. Regina King can play Jasmin. Not sure who can play you.
- B. Hatin
ok BARONESS.....Tl me whts wrng wit my english huh? nd by the wy im afemale,so dnt use him/her...nd let me nt forgt tht hole thng whn i sed shey nd i sleeping together tht ws just a joke,and i ws jst plyin....
- TenyJ Williams
...thanks Shey. i've been in need of some energy lately. Anika, you got anymore of that popcorn? .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Wow, in the 90's, I used to let the guys on IRC assume I was male in order to avoid comments like TenyJ's first one. I did assume she was joking, but what a 180.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@TenyJ... but we needs our energy, and popcorn is non-fattening... crunch, crunch! .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Yeah, Baroness, whts wrng wit her english huh? *dead* I'm popping MORE popcorn y'all.
- Admiral Anika
OK i cn c tht yall ar truly hating on me...bt its al gud..enjoy ur snaks hey.
- TenyJ Williams
When I saw the headline a little bit ago, I thought it was like the building in Brooklyn that just collapsed. These photos...wow. It just decided to have a lie down. I hope no one was hurt.
- Admiral Anika
Any structural engineers in the house? How is that possible. I'm not an engineer but I've built legos and logs and what not, and simply can't imagine what could do that short of an explosion (gas main?) or an earthquake.
- Adrian
Thanks, Andrew. That article is very informative.
- Admiral Anika
Aha! Sinkhole / erosion was my third guess. If something doesn't give underneath or energy is applied in a direction (earthquake, explosion, Godzilla, etc.) its simply can't topple over.
- Adrian
Unfortunately, a migrant worker was killed in the collapsed building when he planned to jumped out of the window. More horribly, the buildings beside the apartment are slanting to the ground, which could be seen by the naked eyes, though the state media denied it.
- xiawinter
Adrian, There are many reasons why a building like this could fall over. If the foundation of the building was not sound or was sitting on unstable earth. If the structure was inadequately designed, the lower floors could collapse under the load from the upper floors. Luckily the building was under construction and no one was living in it yet. I wouldn't want to be living in any of the adjacent buildings until they figure out what caused the failure.
- Jeff P. Henderson
From one of the other comments, it sounds like the buildings were built on unstable ground or their foundations were not designed correctly for the location.
- Jeff P. Henderson
"About 130 nearby households were evacuated and inspectors were examining the foundations of seven other identical buildings in the "Lotus Riverside" compound, saying they appeared to be intact Saturday evening, the report said. The incident was a new blow for Chinese property developers, who have been severely hit by a sagging market amid the global financial crisis. Those who bought...
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- Jeff P. Henderson
The pilings sticking out from the bottom of the toppled building do not look very substantial nor do they look like they were very deep into the ground.
- Jeff P. Henderson
"Concerns over poor construction and low-quality materials have plagued China's construction industry as the country rapidly builds up its cities and infrastructure needed to maintain its growing economy. Anger over poor construction boiled over during after last year's earthquake in central China after about 7,000 schools collapsed and relatives of dead children spoke out against graft they believed led to shoddy construction. " http://news.my.msn.com/regiona...
- Jeff P. Henderson
Here's more photos: http://zonaeuropa.com/200906c... I see no re bar in the pilings that are sticking out of the bottom of the building. Definitely inadequate if not shoddy construction.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Thank you Jess, for bringing this to the attention of English speakers.
- Dallas Cao
This is why purchasing power parity adjustment of Chinese GDP is such nonsense. Shoddy construction of buildings and infrastructure in China is the norm. While not this bad, typically buildings through out the country will never last as long as a european or north american equivalents.
- Gersham Meharg
That's the secret of the double number of GDP growth for the past years, they built something that didn't last long, soon they rebuild it and then the number were double counted.
- Paul
This is nuts. I almost didn't believe it, but then I found pics from several different angles. This shoddy workmanship in China really needs to stop. It's just getting ludicrous now. Why are so many people there so keen on saving a yuan that they don't care if people get hurt or killed in the process? I know we have similarly unscrupulous businesses in the US, but they seem to take it to a much worse level in China. Perhaps because looser regulations and corruption allows people to get away with things.
- Kamilah Gill
God has been busy blessing America, and then who has time to save our chinese people?
- Paul
Is it my impression or is the 'foundation' completely clean? No stretched/torn steel supports etc?!
- Adrian Scicluna
this is like a nightmare, which I had, come true, ... where Im in a house that starts to shake back & forth and then turns over .. that is where I wake up.
- Dickbuttkick
now u can see how it looks like after you woke up :) i can see that there is a big need of urban housing in china but to risk the lives of many people is just irresponsible. its houses...they are build to stay for some time i guess. they should spend a little more time to make it right
- Chris Hofmann
Wow, I know where that is. Nothing like taking the time to properly scope out a location before building a high-rise on it.
- Darren
Looks like the foundation only went about 6 feet into the ground. Hell, many two-story homes in the US go down that deep. So the fact that this is a 13 story building with such a shallow foundation, it isn't surprising that it just fell over. A stiff breeze could have knocked that building over.
- Jason Huebel
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp... - "They also took samples of concrete and reinforcing steel bars from the collapsed 13-floor building" - so apparently there was some amount of steel in there somewhere...
- Andrew C
Would be cool if Friendfeed could convert posts to my chosen language and visa versa. I'd sure like to be able to read and respond to these posts!
- Jeff P. Henderson
FF is so amazing that it collects users' comments from all over the world with different language, so how do you English-speaking guys read Chinese ? I suppose most of Chinese users read English with no difficulty.
- xiawinter
Everybody is welcome to join the group "Say Chinese in FF" if you have interest in Chinese language or information,which has more than 1000 members--http://friendfeed.com/chinese...
- kelvin
I am very curious, the buildings is slowly going down or a sudden fall? If it is the latter, not less likely to break the glass, especially the top floor. ----- 我是很好奇, 那個樓是慢慢倒下去的 還是轟一下子倒下去? 如果是後者, 玻璃不太可能不破的, 尤其是最上面的樓層.
- JohnDu™
I have a date tonight. She's a girl I went to high school with 24 years ago. We just reconnected on Facebook. I'm gonna propose to her. Do you think it's too soon or too late? Both?
Yes, Martha. Our reservations are at 9:00. So I need to scramble out of here pretty soon.
- Christopher Harley
anything pre-dessert would be a little premature.
- Joe Pierce
I hope you two at least took a couple of quizzes to establish your compatibility. But do you poke before the first date?
- John E. Bredehoft
Yeah, John, I think I gave her and well, 126 other people, a Mai Tai. Maybe it was a Ramos Fizz. I can't remember. And Facebook took away my Poking privileges long ago.
- Christopher Harley
Yes, that's pretty much how relationships are handled these days. Tweeting after the proposal is accepted is also expected.
- Vince DeGeorge
Dude, I'm going to marry her first. Even though I'm already married.
- Cristo
OK, Chris. But you marrying her won't detract from my trying to propose this real estate deal, right? Cock-Blocking is one thing, but stay outta my wallet, MOFO.
- Christopher Harley
Cristo is already married and is gonna get married AGAIN? Gays can't have nothing. :(
- Derrick
Christopher, I don't let my wives practice real estate. Derrick, I will marry you too.
- Cristo
Seriously, Cristo #1 FriendFeeder. Anyone who doesn't agree needs to be educated as to how they're using FriendFeed wrong.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Shit! She said no. That's ok, Plan B is my proposing marriage.
- Christopher Harley
Yes, it's too soon. It takes at least two decades to know someone. :)
- Morton Fox
WAY too soon. that'd scare the hell out of me so that I'd never call back.
- Gabrielle V
Hopefully she doesn't have friendfeed and see you crowdsourcing your proposal :)
- Frankie Warren