I was going to say something about how that isn't the case for me until someone just did subscribe. - Trevor
For those early adopters on Twitter, it's likely there's a 2:1 ratio of Twitter to FriendFeed. For those of us weighted the other way, it's 2:1 in favor of FriendFeed. - Louis Gray
When I was on Twitter for four months I only had 2,000 followers. In the same time on FriendFeed I've gotten to 15,000 followers. - Robert Scoble
Yeah? Well I have one MILLION followers here. HA! Not only that, but I have 42 *billion* on BrightKite, 18 million on Pownce, 3.14159 million on Plurk, 1.1 million on hoozurdaddy, 321,000 on webtooohhhhfriendme.com......... - Adam Lasnik
Adam: you should meet Tom over on MySpace. He has millions of friends. You guys could start a club! - Robert Scoble
Yes, but he gets more women than I do :P. - Adam Lasnik
True empowerment comes in the culling of those you follow. - Bernie Goldbach
Rabbits like cheese. It's about as interesting at the friendfeed v. twitter debate. Time for new content. - Andy
Steve Gillmor, at breakfast today, said "it's a slow news year." This is just another example of that. :-) - Robert Scoble
Yeah, Andy! Let's talk about Digg, Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft instead :D - Adam Lasnik
Mike: it's about time for the Mac vs. Windows meme to come back yet again. :-) - Robert Scoble
Robert, at this point I'll take Mac vs. Windows over FF vs. Twitter. Bring it on! - Mike Doeff
The FriendFeed versus Twitter debate reminds me of those old Miller Lite commercials... Tastes Great! Less Filling! - Mike Doeff
sometimes you have to tell your readers what's interesting so later on they know what's going on. - michael arrington
Sure you do, but count up the number of twitter v. FF posts lately. Between commenting on the amount of downtime, who is better, the founders being the next "bill gates" and a plethora of other commentary - think enoughs, enough. Simple. :D - Andy
Michael, can you tell me why you banned me on TehcCrunch? I was never abusive to you or to your readers on TechCrunch! I know I said some negative things about you on Social Media networks but it was constructive criticism and not an attack on you or TechCrunch! You never said anything about me negatively in public so I am not targeting you! TechCrunch is your blog so you have a right to who you want to post there, but if you want 2 be seen as an open minded person u should allow all type of criticism on TC - Igor The Troll
My FF/Twitter follow ratio is 10/1 for some reason ;) - Paul Buchheit
Paul this might be the first time I've seen you comment about the FF/Twitter notes (but I may just not follow these conversations enough). Everyone loves to compare the two, but for you/ founders, what's the actual vision for FF? It doesn't seem to me to really be a twitter competitor at all, where, as I said before, Twitter is about quick, fleeting messages, while FF fosters permanent discussion centered around your content pulled in from anywhere you exist online. - David Adewumi
That's correct David. I just thought it would be funny to add my more lopsided ratio to the discussion. - Paul Buchheit
more interesting: what percentage of visitors to your blog use IE vs. FireFox? I recently checked analytics on one of my sites and it was 65% FF :-) - Andy Sternberg
it's good to see you have a sense of humor about it, even if everyone else takes it so seriously... - David Adewumi
I don't know, I'm seeing a lot of variation. My FF friends in academics seem to have just a handful of friends in FF and treat it as simple lifestreaming aggregation. Those in the tech industry are much more likely to have conversations here. - Clay Spinuzzi
Is it just a sign of no techie friends that no one I know is on FF or Twitter??? - S. Patrick Kaine
I wouldn't overlook the fact that Twitter broke a lot of new ground. I would bet 90%+ of your FF followers are also on twitter. - Scott Watermasysk
115 on Twitter, 23 on FF for me. Of course I have no idea how I got to 115 on Twitter and only an handful of them actually contribute anything. Of course, I'm also not anywhere close to having as many friends as you do (I don't even think I'm on the 'y-list' when it comes to bloggers). You know, I wonder what the ratio would be with "mutual" friends, ie: people you're subscribed to who have subscribed to you. - Adam C.
Does anyone use FriendFeed for any purpose other than discussing FriendFeed? At least Twitter conversations are about life. - William Beem
At some point the comment count within FriendFeed will surpass blog comment counts. - Ben Parr
It's not surprising that everyone's FF network is growing faster than their Twitter network did. When building your twitter network, you had to have some way for people to find you. When building your FF network, all you had to do was Tweet about it. Robert, how many FF followers do you get each time you Tweet, "I'm using FriendFeed a lot more now."? My guess is that most FF networks are a subset of twitter networks because that's how it's easiest for us to find each other. - Ryan Kuder
One data point does not make a trend. - Glen Campbell
side effect of asking lots of tough questions, you start to get some answers that make sense. - Nathan Eckenrode
As a fellow geek we better be sure we're right, because if we are wrong it's gonna be bad. - Blackopsmanners
Blackopsmanners: my idea of hell is being forced to sit next to Jesse Helms for eternity. Of course HIS idea of hell is probably sitting next to me. So, who is in hell? - Robert Scoble
Geeks are generally tech freaks and when you see item after item made by man changing the way your life is lived then it becomes pretty easy to accept that man invented god not the other way around. - Jeff Jones
Geeks are more educated and the more education a person has, the more likely they are to look at our world logically, and choose atheism. - Granteezy via fftogo
I think it has a lot to do with rarely humbling oneself enough to admit that they don't, "know it all" or "have all the answers". It's generally about humility, which geeks tend to have very little of. - Trevor Carpenter
I cannot disagree more Trevor. Atheists are the ones saying "we don't have all the answers". Deity based religions certainly claim to do so. - Jeff Jones
Trevor: Jeff is right. I used to be very religious. I found that most of the people who were religious were not humble at all and weren't able to look at the world without having any answers. Our minds are very strong pattern recognizers. It takes a lot of humility to turn off the pattern recognizer and just accept you don't have the answers. But, this is why I call myself an agnostic. I'm not certain there is not a God. Just like I'm not certain there is one, either. - Robert Scoble
To Jeff and Robert. I certainly can understand what you are saying. However, I separate out the religious from the genuine Christian. The majority of the "religious", including many who clam Christianity, are far from humble. They are generally far from God too. I would not say that those who are legitamately close to God claim to to know it all. In fact, they would say that God knows it all, and we can't know it all. My statement about geeks not being humble is more poking fun than anything else. - Trevor Carpenter
I'm a card-carrying member of a deity based religion as Jeff calls it. Christian is what I am and I certainly don't claim to have all the answers. In fact, I have very few. That's why I need/desire the deity. Right? Sadly, there is an unfortunate number of folks on both (many?) sides of this argument who give their own group a bad rap. I'm just trying to not be one of them. The way I see it, God is the one who created the patterns we're recognizing so I'll accept that He has the answers I need. - Lisa L. Seifert
Trevor: I was in a church of people all of whom considered themselves as "genuine Christian." Part of the problem is that religious people assume they really know what makes someone a "real believer." - Robert Scoble
Lisa: the thing is, anyone who professes to "believe" has already put something in their pattern recognizer that simply isn't there. Or, have you really seen God? But I'm going to beg out of this. I learned in the 1990s that these conversations never convince anyone and just piss people off. So, "Hide" is earned, have fun. - Robert Scoble
Robert. Sure, I know what you're saying. No belief system is worth anything if it in fact doesn't claim to be the "right" way. Without taking this too far...I'm coming from a traditionally reformed, Bible believing worldview. All that to say, Lisa is right. Even those on my team have harmed your view of true Christianity. - Trevor Carpenter
just think of a computer software program that has a certain set of rules....if then statements, etc....then think of DNA and explain...then who set the rules? randomly appeared? - Pokai
You're welcome, Trevor. (For what?) Robert: I'm sad that you're hiding the conversation. Nobody's pissed off. (Yet??) And I'm certainly not reading that anyone is trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm simply seeing different opinions here. And I like that. As far as seeing God: not in the way I'm assuming you mean. But I see the God-Effect everywhere, not to be confused with the Scoble Effect. ;-) Ocean, Wind, my own body-muscles, bones, blood, organs, blah, blah, blah. Standard argument. :-) - Lisa L. Seifert
I'm with Scoble on this one, hide earned! - Granteezy
thanks lisa, I think we should whip Scoble into the posted 60 foot monster wave (by Mitchell Tsai) and see what happens to his belief system....then he can tell us what happened to George Carlin :) - Pokai
Because few deities are open source. - Craig Thomler
I am of the view that historically and currently that Established Religions are a cause of a lot of Evil in the world and that has always been a major switch off for me about any Church. - David W
pokai, i know you ended with a set of rhetorical questions but what i'm inferring from your tone is that you're drawing a tangent that can't be supported. no one necessarily had to set rules for DNA for them to assemble randomly based upon thermodynamic stability. and then for them to interact with other molecules... - Kambiz Kamrani
because they don't like the fact that there is something they cannot explain? or maybe because they don't like the fact that there is something that is (could be) controlling them? - Timo Zimmermann via twhirl
@ Robert, I think it's unfair to paint whole groups of people as one things or another: muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, et. al which is probably what bothers me most about these discussions. Not the facts of what's right or wrong, but rather the debate normally centers around painting a wide brush across an over-generalized groups of people. see "why are geeks often atheist?" I know a lot of smart people who believe a lot of different things ... - David Adewumi
I think the questions of humility/uncertainty vs. "we know whats best" views of religion can correspond well to the tech world...there are entrepreneurs looking for what has been the missing, the algebraic X, the unknown that hasnt been built yet or thought of (think of major advances like RSS or SNs a la twitter or friend feed...and then there was the aol way of thinking where they thought they could comprehend entirely the social aspects of the web in a closed platform...geek doesnt always = athiest - joshuabacker
One reason the I am turned off by religion is that each one tends to believe that their version is the only version. Some even to the point of professing to kill others that do not believe the way they do. There is very little tolerance of other points of view. Most Christian religions profess tolerance of others and I'm sure their are some groups that do practice this, but I find significant hypocrisy with most religious institutions between what they preach and how the really act. - Jeff P. Henderson
ok kambiz, interesting, but what makes the same genetic material become a frog, dog or human? - Pokai
Lisa, I was simply thankful for your comments. They were spot on. - Trevor Carpenter
I really loved this part of the article:The absence of proof does not mean there is no proof at all; but it does give a strong reason to doubt if there is any. Geeks have conditioned themselves to think logically, just as the religious have been conditioned to replace logic with trust in what they are told. What can be extracted from this is that geeks are not atheists simply because they may know "more" but also because they choose to think differently (whether or not they think superiorly is a question for another debate). - Lisa L. Seifert
I agree david. I wonder why intelligence is their defense. - Pokai
pokai, Jeff nails it. but let me clarify one thing -- the same genetic material doesn't necessarily exist in a frog, dog, or human. a frog has a different genome (set of genes) from a dog and a human. these different genes arose through mutations during various biological processes like DNA replication, and gamete production. they are continually evolving by way of natural selection. the frog, dog, human, share a common vertebrate ancestor but they all have diverged from that point into separate species. - Kambiz Kamrani
Continued from previous post: I liked that part for the reminder to keep thinking. I don't ever want to be conditioned to think one thing only whether I'm wearing my Christian hat, my geek hat, my caretaker hat, etc. I don't think we can generalize either way. I agree with David - and with Jeff regarding hypocrisy. It's one reason I hesitate to enter into discussion of beliefs. I know I'm being lumped right now by some of you; but I'd rather try to state my own point of view than sit back and be lumped. - Lisa L. Seifert
I unhid this for a second just to see what direction it went in. I'm hiding again. Some things haven't changed in 10 years, I see. Sigh. See, I used to participate in every religious thread in Visual Basic Programmer's Journal's CompuServe forum (after moving them to that magazine's "OffRamp" which is where we moved stuff that went off topic). The conversations always degenerated just like this one has into calling the other side names. No one ever learns anything. So, Lisa, sorry. I'm getting older I guess - Robert Scoble
than you kamrani and jeff for your clarification, - Pokai
Bye, Robert... Does this mean you won't come to the parties I host at the Ritz once I move to HMB?? ;-) I'm sure I'll get the chance to discuss greater issues such as religion with you at some time when there will be no name-calling. :-) - Lisa L. Seifert
i think scoble just faked hiding, but he is still reading...funny how scoble made the first comment on this post... - Pokai
Oh, no. Do not doubt. Scoble is THE hider. :-) Eventually, he may look back, but he is the best of the hiders. I hide because he has inspired me to do so... Seriously. I always forget about it until he evangelizes it. Then I hide again. - Lisa L. Seifert
@Jeff "One reason the I am turned off by religion is that each one tends to believe that their version is the only version. Some even to the point of professing to kill others that do not believe the way they do." Now replace 'religion' with (culture, style of government, monetary system, nation, state, language, et. al) and you will see this is not an effective argument. See current war in Iraq/Afghanistan for an example. Is that really about religion? - David Adewumi
Up to this point, I can't find one person, on either side of the discussion calling anyone a name. Where are the name-callers? (excluding Lisa's, "Scoble is THE hider.") - Trevor Carpenter
wow, I step away for a night, and look what I miss! - Andrew Badera
FWIW, I was born, christened, raised Roman Catholic. I was even an altar boy, but that was mostly due to the boredom I experienced, sitting in the pews. I don't claim to have all the answers -- I lean more towards labeling myself an agnost than atheist these days -- but I know, quite for certain, that organized religions don't have it any more right than I do. - Andrew Badera
Nobel physics Stephen Hawking: No need the God model - Igor Poltavskiy
Creators of religions (or any influential belief system) are interesting (perhaps as much for their pathologies as anything else). Followers of belief systems created by others are not interesting, at least in that aspect of their lives that is organized around a script that they didn't create. They are sleep walkers. - Sean McBride
First, not all deity-based religions claim to be the right and only way. In fact, Judaism is based on the idea that it is right for Jews and probably not right for anyone else. It's partially because of this sense of exclusivity that probably fuels Antisemitism. Also, when a lot of people say 'religion', they usually mean just Christianity because it's all they know. It's unfair to other religions to be so blindly grouped. - Akiva Moskovitz
I was raised in a Christian household and definitely see HUGE problems with Religion and the "Church" at large. In fact, I am so bothered, I stopped going to church as a result and am routinely offended by the all non-sense/crap espoused by religious groups and church organizations. I believe God exists. I have no unbelief in this regard as I have personally experienced some wonderful spiritual events (2 miracles in fact - 1 documented by dental x-rays). I see tons of fallacies with religion - very sad. - Susan Beebe
Akiva - ethnic nationalist ideologies -- particularly messianic ethnic nationalist ideologies -- are by definition exclusionary, polarizing and a trigger of violent conflict with ethnic outsiders. Universalist religions like Christianity, Islam and Buddhism are largely attempts to overcome the problems and limitations of ethnic nationalism. - Sean McBride
On my good days I'm an agnostic, my bad days an atheist. On the whole all religions try to describe the same thing, make sense of our world and how we should conduct ourselves. I remember being at my Grandmother's funeral (Catholic) and thinking that the words (return to Christ etc) were so comforting ... and it was then that I thought they were wrong. Those words are designed to be comforting and that was by human design IMO. Seek god in your own way and live accordingly - see Stranger in a Strange Land. - AJ Kohn
Where do you get those statistics that geeks are typically athiest? Faith takes courage and conviction. I am a Christian as are many of the riders I know. - Dave Ploch
Sean, last I checked, 'universalism' isn't achieved by oppression, forced conversions, or the outright murdering of people of differing beliefs. Furthermore, Buddhism shouldn't be grouped with Islam and Christianity because Buddhism isn't a proselytizing religion. In fact, I would say that Buddhism and Judaism are more universalist than Christianity and Islam for this very reason. They say, 'You do your thing and we'll do ours.' Not, 'You do our thing or we're coming after you.' - Akiva Moskovitz
Faith mentality: don't question me, don't challenge me, believe and do what I say. Hacker mentality: question everything, challenge everything. Guess which mindset produces the more interesting creative work. - Sean McBride
Akiva: Judaism (especially in its Zionist mode) is an ethnic nationalist ideology or cult organized around the interests of a particular ethnic group. Ethnic nationalism is the direct antithesis of universalism. Buddhism bears little meaningful resemblance to Judaism or religious Zionism. Christianity and Islam have committed many crimes over the ages, that is true. Aggressive fanaticism and intolerance seem to be central features of nearly all monotheistic/Abrahamic cults. - Sean McBride
I don't want to seem ignorant or prejudiced, but is Judaism not highly non-universalist? Laws against marrying non-Jews etc. - Alexander Carlill
Alexander, the best way I can put it is how a Rabbi once put it to me: 'It's better to be a righteous non-Jew than to be a non-righteous Jew.' In other words, Judaism prefers people to follow a different religion that is better suited to them rather than be forced to become Jewish. To me, that's more universal. Live and let live. - Akiva Moskovitz
Sean, and there it is. I'm ringing the bell. - Akiva Moskovitz
Alexander: Judaism is intensely ethnocentric at the core, but various currents in the Jewish tradition have tried to move in a more universalist direction -- Reform Judaism, Reconstructionist Judaism, secular Jewish movements (how about Einstein?), etc. Notice how much of the Old Testament revolves around wars between "Israel" and other ethnic/nationalist groups ("the nations") -- it's the dominant motif of much of the Bible. - Sean McBride
Akiva: I see. I'm going to stick with atheism for the foreseeable future, but I think I'm relatively righteous... Thanks for the info. - Alexander Carlill
Alexander, oops, yep. I should've written 'a different religion, agnosticism, or atheism.' I did not in any way mean to imply that only religious people can be righteous. The two, sadly, are sometimes mutually exclusive which is something Judaism seeks to avoid. - Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva -- to which branch of Judaism are you referring? Some factions are incredibly intolerant; others are the soul of tolerance. Some of Israel's chief rabbis have made public statements that are extremely intolerant towards various ethnic and religious groups (including towards other Jewish religious factions). One finds the same problems in the Christian and Muslims worlds -- fundamentalist voices of intolerance often drown out more reasonable voices. See, for instance, John Hagee on Roman Catholicism. - Sean McBride
Sean, how about not hijacking this post to yet again aggressively espouse your opinions on Judaism (and Israel)? - Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva -- has the discussion suddenly become too sensitive for you in some way? You sound like you'd like to censor it. Let me ask again: which branch of Judaism are you referring to here? Orthodox? Conservative? Reform? Reconstructionist? Seems like a perfectly reasonable question. Also, a great deal of Christian fundamentalism in America revolves around Israel, does it not? Bush reportedly started a disastrous war in Iraq largely because of his religious beliefs. Iran may be next. - Sean McBride
Sean, it's very clear that you have a bone to pick and you can chase me around FriendFeed until your Keds fall apart but I am not going to feed your hunger. Thus, reasonable or not, I am not answering your questions. You seem only to be interested in answers that can fuel your soapbox, anyway. If this makes you feel superior or victorious, that's fine. That's a delusion I will lose no sleep over. - Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva -- you haven't replied in a rational way to a single particular point I've raised here -- your responses have been emotional. And this is very typical behavior for religionists of all kinds -- they have difficulty handling a rational discussion about non-rational beliefs. Judaism is a very complex subject -- the tradition includes numerous competing and contradictory factions. Overgeneralizing about Judaism, Christianity and Islam is an intellectual error, in my opinion. - Sean McBride
Actually, my responses have been very rational. I'm just addressing your motives and not your points. You just can't seem to understand the fact that you are not entitled to someone's answers just because you ask them questions. - Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva -- you're addressing motives, and not the substantive points being addressed in this thread? That is not how reasonable people conduct rational discussions and debates. If you can't handle logical, factual and civil challenges to your beliefs, probably public discussion forums aren't a favorable medium for you. :) For others here, I will simply reiterate: there are several strains of Judaism, some extremely intolerant, some very tolerant. This is a fact known to any serious student of world religions. - Sean McBride
Ah, more smug responses with implied insults. Gotta love the Internet. - Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva -- a simple question: is Judaism a monolithic tradition (as you have implied), or is it a diverse and self-contradictory tradition? Do the ultra-Orthodox agree with Reform Jews? Do the ultra-Orthodox even agree with one another? (They do not.) No wonder geeks and hackers for the most part try to steer clear of religious squabbling and wars! -- it tends to be a real energy-waster. - Sean McBride
Akiva: I wasn't accusing you of implying anything, merely commenting on my own situation. So no need to apologise. - Alexander Carlill
They definitely paid a visit to my neighbors. Go Texas! - Carla Thompson
Wow, Colorado is significantly lower than all the others. Any ideas why? - Jim Norris
This was posted separately and there was quite a bit of discussion about it. The Coloradans basically said that outdoor physical activity is a major part of the culture there. - ⓞnor
I say the thin air squeezes the fat out of them. - Steve Craft
Mean elevation: CO 6800ft, UT 6100ft, NM 5692ft, MT 3396ft, MS 300ft... - ⓞnor
This is obese - I don't even want to see "overweight." Colorado is the only state where it's not a granted that 1 out of 5 is obese (though by the looks of things, the average is 1 out of 4). Does this include children? Pre-edit: clicked on the article - the overweight numbers are amazing. I'm certainly in these categories - I must disclose. - Vince DeGeorge
cool chart - looks like our primary home (ct) is #3 & secondary (vt) is #5 :) - mike "glemak" dunn
Like we always said back in Arkansas, thank god for Mississippi and Louisiana or we'd always finish last! - Jesse Hattabaugh
I loved visiting Japan, where people seem to be healthily thin. It's very sad the changes since I was in high school. At a pediatric obesity presentation at Stanford, they showed a slideshow of obesity/state over the past 25 years, and it was really sad to see the whole country become fatter & fatter. An Economist issue from the past year shows that it's a worldwide trend - poor & rich countries... People were so much thinner when I was in high school. :-( - Mitchell Tsai
This also looks like a "Battleship" tournament... Kevin, in fact, appears to be making the "you sank my battleship!" gesture. - Chris Reed
Great to see a company firing on all cylinders - Mike Doeff
Josh: the key is extremely large screens so you can't actually see the person in front of you. - Bret Taylor
Man, do people get sent to sit by the bathroom and public writeboard as punishment? - Stepan Mazurov
I brought a t-shirt to change into after biking to work, but I didn't bother. I might have made a different choice if I'd known it would be blogged... :-) - Kevin Fox
@Kevin: You match the rug and lamp so it's working. :) - Tsega D
Awesome window into FF Bret. Really like the transparency and willingness to speak openly with the community and those who are critical of FF. Enjoyed that Qik inteview by what's his name... - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Wow you guys have really grown and your office looks more colorful than the "garden variety" Google office space! - Bindu Reddy
Keep up the good work. You'll all have corner offices soon :) - Andrew Smith
i hope one of those people is working on the "page 11" bug! - Nick
I'm with Josh - I'd probably go crazy, no matter how large the screen. - Ontario Emperor
Wait, there's somebody on the other side of my monitor? - Casey Muller
im all up in paul's code now! and that guy in the orange really sits up straight - Allen Stern
I want to go and meet Bret, Paul, Dave, and the gang!! - Susan Beebe
I see nobody will finish off that Old Time Candy. As your mothers likely told you, you can't have more until you finish what you already have! - Louis Gray
Louis: we ate all of our favorites. Apparently no one wants to eat the wax lips. That was the best gift we have ever gotten, by the way. You rock, Louis. - Bret Taylor
Bret, but shouldn't the interns _have_ to wear the wax lips as some form of initiation? - Louis Gray
So that's where all my attention went! :-) - Robert Scoble
How do you mow 4 months of wild growth with a mower? Sounds like a job for a bush hog. - Michael Tefft
It wasn't easy. I set the mower to the highest setting, and went over every square foot twice or more. I did a lot of tilting the mower back to tackle the higher weeds as well. - J. Phil
that does not sound fun at all. i hope you don't live in a place like arizona or something - Cee Bee
Texas. I'm hoping all that grass stuff dies in the 100 degree heat. LOL - J. Phil
Consider yourself lucky; it takes me 2 hours on a riding mower. And that's once every 5 days or so! - Kevin C. Tofel
Thanks Kishore. Is this running on old archived data? - Mitchell Tsai
@ Mitchell - It _seems_ that I can only get the recent 30 entries (new and/or updated). Am getting these every hour and adding to the table.. - Kishore Balakrishnan
I'm seeing mostly entries from Wed & Thu. No recent ones... - Mitchell Tsai
Pls provide an example. It is sorted descending by likes + comments - So recent ones will/could be in the bottom of the list - Search.. - Kishore Balakrishnan
I guarantee that if anyone here had the only interview with Steve Jobs tonight that they would be at the top of Techmeme in two hours even if the entire thing was posted only in Farsi. - Robert Scoble
in other words influence only matters if it gets Jobs to talk with you. :-) - Robert Scoble
LOL Scoble just made me do a spit take doh! - Cheryl Allin
@scoble: being able to tell 15 people and have a story all over the world also = influence - Christian Anderson via NoiseRiver
great reading and site containing short bios on americans who went against conventional thinking to challenge the status quo. - Cee Bee via Bookmarklet
On 30th June 2008, I asked on the FriendFeed Feedback room “Is display messages (in any view: public, me, room) sorted descending by likes possible?” - Am very happy to announce this FriendFeed Feedback stats - Mitchell Tsai
Got an error! Nooo! "The FriendFeed API retuend a 403 (Forbidden) for that request. It is possible that FF To Go is being rate limited" - Bwana McCall
Yup; I'm getting a 403 now...which means it's being rate limited. - Benjamin Golub
I got this working for NoiseRiver as of yesterday :) I tell you folks: entries deletion and undeletion are coming too... they just aren't as stable as me and Ben want them to be :( - directeur via NoiseRiver
Ben, It works fine for me! These methods use authentication --you know that - directeur via NoiseRiver
It's possible that the FriendFeed team might not have meant for us to start using these API calls...if so I'm sorry FF. - Benjamin Golub
I'm sad if it's the case. I was playing with them since yesterday and even deletion worked and then it stopped... - directeur via NoiseRiver
Yes, you're right... it's now throwing 403 errors on NoiseRiver too :( - directeur via NoiseRiver
What is fftogo? The site doesn't have an about page. - Bjorn Tipling
Hide disabled until it becomes more stable/official; I'll enable it again later, promise! - Benjamin Golub
I'm sorry Ben, it worked for me since yesterday this is why I told you it was stable... - directeur via NoiseRiver
Doesn't friendfeed have a mobile version? They definitely have an iphone version. - Bjorn Tipling
No mobile version other than the iPhone version. - Benjamin Golub
perhaps it would be useful in the meantime to implement an individual entry hide implementation separate from the official FF hide? should be trivial because NoiseRiver is already filtering/hiding by keyword and fftogo should be easy to add a filter for entry ids per user. also would be easy to filter services and users/services, too. the foaf stuff gets a bit complicated, though. when (if?) the hide APIs are added officially, it should be easy to sync/transfer the hidden entries back to FF. - David Vasileff
David: You're actually right. Implementing "my" own version of hide should be easy and very doable for NoiseRiver. But I think that it would be in vain for two reasons: 1) I discovered almost by coincidence that "(un)hide" and "(un)delete" features are coming to the API and I integrated them to NoiseRiver and told Ben and Patrick (the guy behind MioNiews) about them. Alas it's as we may see very soon to be used. We're waiting for the official release so we can really use them. 2) Implementing our hiding won't be better than the FriendFeed Api's one because filtering from the source is always better than filtering before the display. - directeur via NoiseRiver
directeur, I agree with your point. I don't know if users are craving hide but if they were and APIs weren't going to be available for a while and it was a barrier to user adoption, it's something to consider. in any case, I think there is merit in having ability to hide separate from FF, perhaps more with fftogo, where mobile users might want to hide rich media posts or hide entries with lots of comments on mobile but still have them display on friendfeed.com - David Vasileff
Yeah. They can't actually synthesize or understand what it is they're doing, but I found it eerily beautiful (watching the videos linked in the comments, that is). - Brooks Bishop
the first time i saw it (saw video first) I was blown away... this was either the most genius of all elephants, or we need to redefine the nature of consciousness.... but, of course after investigating, you find out its faked... though elephants are still quite smart... just not THAT smart. - Nick
Michael, I doubt it. I saw a show once on how captive wild elephants are broken for domestication and training purposes.... you feel pretty bad for them. - Nick
I think my likes stopped working again. - RAPatton
Polly, do you have a phobia of or relating to sentient elephants who are also possibly cultured? - Mark Trapp
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