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Beautiful Examples of Rain Photography - http://www.yeeta.com/_Beauti...
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Live4Emma (L4S), Юля Ромашкина, ayca and 19 other people liked this
#Rain
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
#umbrella
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
#Alone
- وارش
Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, Flickr Central, Flickr Photography, Photography United, DSLR, Question of the Day
What is your flickr URL? I'm here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Armin, Mattb4rd, ChaCha Fance and 104 other people liked this
Feel free to add me. Don't forget about the Flickr Photography group here: http://friendfeed.com/flickr-... And there is also a FriendFeed Flickr group here: http://www.flickr.com/groups... #whatsyoururl
- Kol Tregaskes
سلتون تو دوباره پریدی وسط بحث یه عده بزرگتر؟ :)))))
- I /-\li
http://www.flickr.com/photos... please require to be added to see my photos :D
- Valentina De Santis
I'm subbing everyone as I go. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I can't believe who I've missed here, thanks for the links! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.flickr.com/photos... Not much activity lately, thou.
- Marcos
Andy, 2? That's just greedy, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
That is what a homepage is for. You can reach mine through the link in my profile.
- Peter
Kol, once again, thanks for helping us all connect. There are some great photographers on FF.
- Kevin Pedraja
Now that I'm going through and adding all of these people I'm discovering that Flickr needs a grouping functionality for contacts.
- Kenton
I don't need to mention it here. You can just mouse over me to find out. The power of FriendFeed.
- Nick B.
Wow, Nick. Way to play along.
- Rochelle
John Piercy -http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- johnpiercy
I looked at at least two pages of every user who posted. I just started learning, so I bookmarked about 20 pages that I'll be coming back to. This was nice, thanks!
- Ryan Massie
Feel free to add me: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Milton Ramirez
- Milton Ramirez
Kol, I listed my url earlier but feel free to add me as a contact (http://www.flickr.com/photos...)
- Johnny
A great thread. I do believe that I have subscribed to ya'll. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
http://www.flickr.com/photos... awesome thread! will have to check everyone out [I work there]
- Criz
http://www.flickr.com/photos... Have a nice day!
- Gabcsi
http://www.flickr.com/photos... i am here :)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
http://flickr.com/photos... (NSFW if you have safesearch turned off)
- Michael Hocter
http://www.flickr.com/photos... . The quality of my stream varies depending on inspiration, if you're browsing I suggest my 25 most interesting images: http://www.flickr.com/photos... and my personal favorites: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Niklas Morberg
http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Bengi Gencer
- bengi gençer
Http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaymeephoto
- Chad McCoskey
from iPhone
Thanks for all the links! I'll be going through them all today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks guys! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Keep 'em coming. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
just realized ,, ive been missing out on some awesome photographs .. AWESOME thread
- johnpiercy
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
wow, thats a lot of flickrs LOL well, thanks to you I went to flickr and set up my url.. I was amazed this was available http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- David Gross
Thank you all! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.flickr.com/photos... Awesome!
- ★ Soner Gönül
Couldn't find the page, Soner.
- Kol Tregaskes
I just went pro :D http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- MλTT
Cool. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you everyone! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
G Dan Mitchell: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- G Dan Mitchell
Great shots, G. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
/micahwittman
- Micah Wittman
http://www.flickr.com/photos... DavidePatti
- Davide Patti
Thank you all!
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
http:///www... - I haven't updated it, photo-wise for a long time, since I was getting dangerously close to exceeding the 200 item limit.
- Tyson Key
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is me: flickr.com/photos/vestigialconsciousness/
- Parth Awasthi
http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Peter Mutuma
- Peter Mutuma
there are some great pictures in this list!
- Chris Rogers
Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, Question of the Day, The Facebook Experience, Appetite, TheNextWeb Forum
As we are now #Facebook users, what is your Facebook URL? ;-) Mine is: http://www.facebook.com/koltreg...
Armin, metalerik, Jason A. Samfield and 115 other people liked this
I have a Page too but don't use it yet: http://www.facebook.com/pages... I only have 20 fans. ;-) #whatsyoururl
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.facebook.com/trenton... ...but watch out for the tumbleweeds rolling across my profile.
- Trent Olson
http://www.facebook.com/hedwyg *sobbing quietly over here in my corner*
- Ladybug Heather
I will have a little cry later................
- Kevin J Hatton
i have one but have used it less and less as FB has sucked more and more. i now log in a few times a month at most.
- Joe Silence
Thanks everyone!
- Kol Tregaskes
Now I'm glad I got my vanity URL for FB. However I'm not about to go crazy friending y'all just yet as I hate the interface.
- Kenton
*sigh* DO NOT WANT. Is there a way to opt out of this? If I wanted my FF content to go to Facebook, I'd put it there myself.
- cecily
http://www.bit.ly/meganlynch <--- my fan page for my music http://www.facebook.com/mmeganl...
- Spidra Webster
http://www.facebook.com/tutivil... - Oh, how I hate this.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
http://www.facebook.com/krynsky Haha. I was just going to ask when you were going to start this.
- Mark Krynsky
iphigenie, just like my ff id :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I didnt really want to add everyone i know on friendfeed to my facebook, i like to keep them seperate as much as i can. but you know what, fuck it http://www.facebook.com/simon... add a note saying you;re from friendfeed if you add me, then i can group everyone up :)
- Simon Wicks
http://www.facebook.com/wangyip .. edit: ditto what Simon said above - add a friendfeed or FF note in the message if you do add me
- Wang Yip
http://www.facebook.com/scott... [EDIT: I only intend to had people to FB that I have subscribed to and/or interacted with here on FF.]
- Scott of Two Countries
Simon, I thought that a while ago, then just added everyone too. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Just added you Kol :)
- Simon Wicks
OK, you've all convinced me and as Simon requested, please note FF in the request. http://facebook.com/kenton
- Kenton
Thanks, Simon. I've not started going through these yet. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm only going to add the people i actually talk to on here. I have a lot less people on my follow list than you, so its a bit easier for me :)
- Simon Wicks
Remember, guys. According to FB, you're only allowed 5000 friends. Spend them wisely.
- James Myatt
Hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Facebook.com/hoogenboom
- Wes Hoogenboom
from iPhone
If anyone of you are Gtalk'ers, check out the list here: http://ff.im/6mySB
- Kol Tregaskes
/glemak on most services
- mike "glemak" dunn
As if we weren't before? Were they really that many people here who didn't also have a FB account, even if they didn't list it in their profile? I've been with FB since 2004
- LANjackal
here. i am your fan now :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Thanks all.
- Kol Tregaskes
Screw that. Find me here: https://friendfeed.com/jcunwir...
- jcunwired
http://www.facebook.com/bigstar.... But I think you knew that already, Kol. :)==;)
- Helen Sventitsky
Helen, yep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Well, with this news it is pushing me to start using my real name for web services and to kill (or at least slowly stop using) the tomit persona that I have used for many years. Find me here... http://www.facebook.com/ronaldb...
- tomit
http://www.facebook.com/julia... - but no hearts or flowers please..:-)
- Julia Ault
http://facebook.com/thereal... - someone else done stoled my name before I could. Jeepers!
- Tsali, The Native of FF
http://facebook.com/andrewr... - may as well change my "have met" Facebook policy!
- Andrew Roche
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I could never agree to their TOS. The fun of working for paranoid folks.
- Neal Krummell
http://facebook.com/4fthawa... (of course :P )
- Brad McCrorey
I was already a facebook user... http://www.facebook.com/cassidy...
- Cassidy
ugh.. I hate doing this... http://www.facebook.com/timhoec...
- Tim Hoeck
FF better figure out how not to destroy themselves (if possible) with this merger. Friendfeed in the FB interface will not work. I think FF really just f*cked themselves.
- Ethan
Well http://www.facebook.com/elstudi... - Kol, your Posterous sharing post earlier today was more fun.
- Eric Johnson
People who complain about FF+FB are like people who complain every time the FB home page changes. Even if it's better, they complain...
- Gus
never spend any time there... not worth time...
- Valeria Maltoni
I hate Facebook...
- Oscar Mota
My company has one if you want to be a fan of a small web design and marketing firm :) http://www.facebook.com/pages...
- Justin Rains
FB gets no link love from me facebook.com/tinapbeana
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I have to think very hard if I want to continue my existing Facebook profile or create a new one ...
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
http://www.facebook.com/gbierma... - not like I use it much anyway...
- Grant Bierman
I'm on Facebook, but I don't have a name in my profile URL (yet; I'm still new...). But if you want it, it's http://www.facebook.com/profile... -- if you friend me, tell me you're from FF.
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't freaking have one because I never wanted to sign up for Facebook. :P Now I find out that through no fault of my own I'm technically a Facebook user? GAH.
- Cheryl Jones
if u want facebook http://www.facebook.com/sefa... ███
- Sefa Karapinar
Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://facebook.com/sonergonul Feel like a star.
- ★ Soner Gönül
http://www.facebook.com/nzbuu/. I wasn't going to do this, but I'm going to indulge and see if I can make FB work like Scoble thinks it can.
- James Myatt
LOL I knew you would do this :) http://www.facebook.com/parvez...
- Parvez Halim
http://facebook.com/alex.covic - I will friend everybody - for those of you concerned with friend/family + privacy = you can create lists (just like ff-groups) to keep FF-users in a different corner;-).
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Update: My profile may not have a name-type URL yet, but here's the short way to get there: http://profile.to/jernbergdr
- Dennis Jernberg
http://www.facebook.com/nadine... (I use it and like it)
- Nadine Pestourie
yeppp : http://www.facebook.com/burakyu...
- Burak Yüce
"Like" only because I'll have to find you guys somewhere :( http://www.facebook.com/people...
- Kamilah Gill
http://www.facebook.com/lyanghs... - friend me :)
- Lyang Hsueh
http://www.facebook.com/ozubey i knew this was coming, this is why i got my url with my FF nickname.:-)
- Özhan Yiğitler
http://www.facebook.se/elina... (xoxo:-)
- anjelina
http://www.facebook.com/krz9000 i hope they write a proper friendfeed friend importer
- Chris Hofmann
http://www.facebook.com/iainbak... +1 Chris, I'd hate to lose all the friends i've made here :((((
- Iain Baker
http://www.facebook.com/barryow... I hope they (FB) don't screw it up too much...
- Barry Owens
http://facebook. com/mosyagin
- massagin
http://www.facebook.com/gilbert.... Is there a simple way to add say the entire list above?
- Gilbert Harding
http://www.facebook.com/mbravo - most updates autoimported from Flickr though
- Michael Bravo
Thank you everyone. I've added you all but feel free to say no, I know some people keep FB for personal friends only. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
lol I think this is wrong haha don't mind me I'm being silly
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
http://www.facebook.com/wordsfo... - I would really like to have FriendFeed friends there so Facebook could possibly be more bearable.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, that link takes me to the home page.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.facebook.com/jenn2d2 should be it.
- Jennifer Dittrich
It does? try looking for Jannifer Stoddard
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Yeah, I've had a few of those from the list above, not sure what's going on there. OK, will do. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://facebook.com/carlton... And I love new peeps! ^_^
- Carlton Hackett
I have added you as a friend ;)
- shâhin
I do not use it much LOL I just post to it from other sites so to fill up my friends stream, I do get messages and some status in text. Anyone who really wants to add me, use the facebook link on my profile. :o)
- David Gross
www.facebook.com/drodzand you won't see much since I got the privacy settings on max in Facebook. Just another reason why I think Facebook is completely different from friendfeed. I hope they keep friendfeed running because I use both services in diametrically diverse ways.
- David Rodriguez
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://facebook.com/brodiebeta I just posted asking for the same thing =) http://friendfeed.com/iphoneg... You rawk Kol
- Brodie Beta
http://facebook.com/timedalkat Will be weird to integrate you folks with Grandma.
- timedalkat
Cool, Brodie. :-) Thanks everyone!
- Kol Tregaskes
Hey, FB is for real life friends :-). Not for random web strangers :-P?
- Richard A.
Mine is http://www.facebook.com/daniel... and I am from Argentina (BA)
- Daniel Alejandro Severo
http://www.facebook.com/waltrup... ... Deja Vu... didn't we do this already one? LOL! If you send me a request, please just mention FF. KThnxBye.
- Walt Ruppar
http://www.facebook.com/kimbers... (I can remember if I commented on this already. I don't see "You" on the list, but I'm tired. So, hopefully, I didn't. If I did, oh well.
- Kimber Scott
Thanks all!
- Kol Tregaskes
. . . amy_beer. I think. I've never used it. No, I'm pretty sure.
- Amy℠
Amy, it's not that.
- Kol Tregaskes
I spend an inordinate amount of time there... - http://facebook.com/Americhick
- Bette Cooper
http://www.facebook.com/gregsmi... - Greg Smith
- Greg Smith
facebook.com/wins1 I hv a FF list in FB, pls. mention FF to populate it.
- Wins Fern
mine is david.grosz
- David Gross
from email
My FB URL is: http://www.facebook.com/creativ...
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Thank you all!
- Kol Tregaskes
How do you get facebook.com/yourname? Mine is a somewhat longer Url...
- TrafficBug
TrafficBug: You can get your custom Facebook URL here: http://www.facebook.com/usernam...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
http://www.facebook.com/webalon... - looks like you can change it only once. Confucious say: "Choose your name well...." :I
- Rob Schieber
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
I do like your photography page. I am a fan now.
- Faraz Mullick
Isn't there a FB friend limit?
- Araceli
There is, Araceli, although it was several thousand people, if I remember correctly.
- Tyson Key
5,000.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm just loving the new Facebook beta. :D
- Faraz Mullick
mine is http://www,facebook.com/robcair...
- Rob Cairns
i sent a request (please please please by my friend), ;)
- chaz2b
I always thought that FriendFeed was the new Facebook. ;)
- Tyson Key
Facebook is the new FriendFeed. ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thanks Rob, I had forgotten my username for I always used my email address to login - I found there is a settings > username > change thing that lets you change your username once and then you get a facebook.com/username url!
- TrafficBug
I am thinking about just using my Public Page more. Keep my regular profile for family and coworker data. Follow me here if you want more of the type of posts I do here of Friendfeed. http://www.facebook.com/pages...
- tomit
yep
- Brent - Loving Life
nooooooooooooooooooooooo!
- Tsali, The Native of FF
from IM
I raise your bump with a "Hide"
- LANjackal
http://www.facebook.com/DavidHo... - I use it to aggregate and share links on Internet music, open content and social media.
- David Holmes
What is your Google Reader URL? Mine is http://www.google.com/reader... #greader
Armin, Nick Bradbury, nat bas and 125 other people liked this
I share all sorts. :-) Lots of photos, photography and tech stuff though. Feel free to sub to me if you like. :-) BTW, you can see who is following you here: http://www.google.com/reader... #whatsyoururl
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Michael.
- Kol Tregaskes
More often I end up sharing directly through FF even if I find it on GReader, but sometimes I share there. http://www.google.com/reader...
- Tony, Paradox of FF
http://www.google.com/reader... Just about internet!
- ★ Soner Gönül
http://www.google.com/reader... I'm glad you asked this right now. I just realized that several people are following me and I didn't even know it. I hope it hasn't been this way for long!
- Michael Fidler
Michael, it's not been clear until very recently, you can see notifications here: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Kol Tregaskes
Love yr posts :-)))))
- Johni Fisher
thanks for starting this thread - here's mine http://www.google.com/reader... (mostly social media stuff, a little food, and occasional randomness)
- Chris Rogers
Kol, thanks! I wish it would tell me when they started following, I'll have to keep a better eye on it now.
- Michael Fidler
Mine is http://www.google.com/reader... - hope you enjoy!
- outofmyarse
Just noticed that Reader now allows grouping of people you follow! Wondering: is Reader going to become a competitor (instead of complement) to FriendFeed?
- Chris Rogers
http://www.google.com/reader... - Always looking for more ppl to share links!
- Liza
Ah so that's your name, M F! ;-) I'm wanting to live in that area too, nice around there?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes it's alright I moved here two years ago, I was in West London before that
- M F
GREAT FEED - I am finding so many great ppl to follow - this is great.
- Liza
M F, I like to move to just over the other side of the stream from you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
And your pics are great! I am going to be stuck in greader for a while!
- Liza
Well wave your hand Kol when you get here
- M F
http://www.google.com/reader... - But I only really use google reader as a simple RSS reader. Follow people on FriendFeed.
- Anton Tanderup
Hehe, M F. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
mine is http://www.google.com/reader...
- Kim Landwehr
Thanks for your latest bookmark there, Kim. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
feedly.com :)
- Zach Landes
http://www.google.com/reader... but everything I share in reader comes on to FriendFeed.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
http://www.google.com/reader... - the stuff I share there is also on FriendFeed.
- Hanna Wiszniewska
http://www.google.com/reader... mine are mostly science items
- Sally Church
Mine is http://www.google.com/reader... - Mostly Tech.
- Svartling
http://www.google.com/reader... - mixed up content in Portuguese (mainly), English and Spanish.
- Marcos
Liza, oooh I love the post on generating Mandelbrot fractals in Excel!
- Sally Church
@rogersdc / Chris, Google Reader is obviously been trying to become more social, but I'd really like to see FF come out with a bookmarklet that makes sub'ing RSS feeds to FF easier/faster. Right now it's a manual process involving either a new Group/Room or Imaginary Friend. Should be 2 clicks tops.. Also see: http://friendfeed.com/alexsch...
- Alex Schleber
Thanks everyone! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Here is mine : http://www.google.fr/reader.... I share (mainly on French sites and blogs) about libraries, literature and arts, human and social sciences, photography :-)
- Nadine Pestourie
http://www.google.com/reader... Google and other tech stuff, as well as other random things of interest.
- Californian
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... Politics, photography, humor, news, tech, entertainment
- amygeek
Thanks for starting this conversation Kol!
- amygeek
No worries, Amy. :-) Thank you all!
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL here we go again :o) http://www.google.com/reader... I share a lot of blogs and funny stuff that I read, it's neat how I can share and it gets posted all over by friendfeed.
- David Gross
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't know that I have one, as I eschew most things Google....
- Mike Shields
Not sure if I've already shared it, but my URL is http://www.google.com/reader....
- Tyson Key
Thank you guys.
- Kol Tregaskes
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I think that I over-loaded my poor G-Reader by adding all of you. ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Here is my feed: http://l.clipotech.com/shared - I will try to add all of you on this list :)
- Svartling
Don't forget to add all out new contacts in to groups. Otherwise we cant comment on each others shared items.
- Svartling
http://www.google.com/reader... - Almost exclusively tech, including humor/cartoons and productivity.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
http://www.google.com/reader... - I share items about productivity, gaming, movies, and misc. stuff from the Google "cool" via Recommendations feed. Thanks Kol for starting this thread because I've been trying to cut down on the number of feeds I subscribe to and instead just follow interesting people.
- Dusty Edenfield
Svartling: good point about adding people to groups. I noticed I couldn't comment on items that were shared by some users.
- Dusty Edenfield
Thanks everyone.
- Kol Tregaskes
I've (we) written a lot of more good tips on how to use Google Reader in Google Reader comments. It's too bad we don't have permalinks in Greader so we can share our notes and comments. Otherwise I could have posted a link here. Here are some on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/svartli...
- Svartling
here's mine! Love some of the new features... http://www.google.com/reader...
- tomit
I don't think I added mine yet: http://www.google.com/reader...
- LogEx
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Almost missed this one! http://www.google.com/reader...
- Patrik Arwengrim
I guess I best start sharing stuff, then. :D - http://www.google.com/reader...
- Bette Cooper
http://www.google.com/reader... - I guess I'm a bit late to the party, but here's mine. I share mainly technology, photography, design... and other random stuff.
- Ryan - @magicofpi
Thank you all.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes! The list I was looking for! I'll get my info on here as soon as I get on my netbook
- Kamilah Gill
from email
Thanks for posting this Kol. Never paid any attention to my shared items folder before but just did!
- Martha
The conversation is really blowing up (in a good way) on Reader. The most important reminder currently is to set up groups and allow commenting. That is NOT on by default!
- Vince DeGeorge
Vince, exactly!
- Kol Tregaskes
Not sure how I missed this thread. I share lots of tech news, some programming stuff and a little more at http://www.google.com/reader...
- Rob Diana
There is also a group that collected a bunch of reader shares at http://friendfeed.com/share-y...
- Rob Diana
http://www.google.com/reader... - Or just go to: Sharing settings on your google reader shared items and search for: Avi Joseph
- Avi Joseph
Thank you all. I think I have subscribed you all now (except those feed in languages I don't understand) Here is mine again: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Svartling
I've started to follow a few of the people here but there's quite a few, so will take me a while :) - My currently fairly bare feed is: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Roy Herrod
http://www.google.com/reader... - topics include a bit of everything, but there's a fair about of Android-related stuff in there
- Chuck Falzone
http://www.google.com/reader... - German - mostly politics and crude funny things. Maybe some new technology
- JoeD
Thank everyone.
- Kol Tregaskes
There are a few entries here you might like to read to help you. This one: http://ff.im/6CkQj explains about adding people to groups to allow them to comment and why some don't stay in groups. In this one: http://ff.im/6F9pQ I suggest a way to track a large number of shared items using PostRank. This: http://ff.im/6Ci0P and this: http://ff.im/6AM35 has a few tips on using GReader as a lifestreaming service. And this: http://ff.im/6EMT1 gives a few examples of GReader bundles.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... I mostly share ART with a little bit this and that thrown in for good measure.
- Kimber Scott
Ryo: Same here :) "completely moved to Google Reader / Twitter / Posterous" All my followers, please subscribe to me on Google Reader: http://www.google.com/reader... or my lifestream: http://l.clipotech.com/lifestr...
- Svartling
http://www.google.com/reader... -- nothing shared yet; still learning several social networks & services, so it might take me a while...
- Dennis Jernberg
Those of you above whom I already follow on FF/Twitter/etc., I've subscribed to your feeds. As for the rest of you: if you follow me on GReader, I'll follow you back.
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm sharing some pages now, including a few of my past blog entries.
- Dennis Jernberg
easier to just follow and edit groups from search url>http://www.google.com/reader...
- Ru Viljoen
Because I have issues with data duplication, I have merged this list with the google reader shares room feeds. You can view the Google spreadsheet at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...
- Rob Diana
There are a bunch of shared feeds that I could not resolve the Google username for because they did not have a named profile set up.
- Rob Diana
tristanhambling, your link didn't work. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you very much, Rob!
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... Right now I'm testing it in comparison to Netvibes. It's yet to be seen if I end up making the switch.
- Brad Williamson
http://www.google.com/reader... Mainly photography related things.
- Sven
It would be really handy to have all these shared feeds as an opml file. Has anyone added everyone? Care to export an opml of the shared feeds?
- Paul Jacobson
My shared stream is at http://www.google.com/reader...
- Paul Jacobson
Paul, can do that but it will be out of date the moment I post it as I'm getting more new users all the time.
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe someone could hook up something via Yahoo Pipes (or whatever) to automatically generate the OPML?
- Tristan Seligmann
Damond, I'm getting that deja vu feeling. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Whoa, hey, I'm late to this. I'm here: http://www.google.com/reader... :-)
- Jordan Hofker
I'm http://www.google.com/reader... Not really comfortable with the custom URL though since it can only be your gmail username. Makes it really easy for spamspiders I think.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Tobias, possibly but not had any problems myself though Gmail has the best spam filters around so I probably not noticed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... Please dont tell me I have to add everyone manually like I did with Facebook yesterday?? *sigh*
- Julia Ault
http://www.google.com/reader... link to my bundle with all my feeds that i have in friendfeed too
- Chris Hofmann
http://www.google.com/reader... mostly webdev, photography news, music, world news which i get interested. plus half of them may be article in Japanese. sorry. :-p
- browneyes
Thanks all!
- Kol Tregaskes
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
spread those tentacles thats what i say (I'm generally sharing comics, animation, and interesting weirdeness) : http://www.google.com/reader...
- Paul Greer
Exactly, Paul. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
There are a few people that have not added me to a group and so I cannot reply to some of your comments. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... - OK I'm in. Late as always. Will post my thoughts, feedback and pleading requests for help over in Google Reader so please follow me over there. Eat your own dog food and all that.
- Andy C
MF/Kol = I live in Kingston on Thames. It's OK apart from the traffic (continually gridlocked) and the shops (girls just lurve them). Handy for getting into London both airports and out to the Thames Valley for work type things. Richmond Park and the river in walking distance is great too.
- Andy C
phew..
- Paul Greer
Andy, Richmond Park and the others around there are the appeal really. Good place to go photographing and cycling while being very close to London I think.
- Kol Tregaskes
Teddington (across the river from Kingston Upon Thames, is where I think I'd like to live. Just 'cos it's cheaper than everywhere else around it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
https://www.google.com/reader... - Customized with numbers
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
@Kol many years ago, we made the mistake of asking an estate agent in Surbiton whether it was any cheaper than Kingston. She replied 'No - of course not. We are on the fast line to Waterloo' and looked at us as if we were dog excrement.
- Andy C
I've checked rental prices in the area several times over the last 2 years and Teddington is definitely cheaper. I'm not buying, no way I can afford that. ;-) All a pip-dream anyway, need a steady job and I've not had that for a while. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks guys.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... GReader, Twitter, and Delicious (plus my own sites) are my primary hubs now. Y'all please join me on GReader.
- Chris Baskind
http://www.google.com/reader... late as always
- Raymundo Roxas
Thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Trying Google Reader.. Share your friendfeed feed WITHIN Reader. (see http://ff.im/6WRIk)
- Chris Myles
http://www.google.com/reader... - Claude LaFrenière aka climenole :)
- Claude LaFrenière
anyone use google reader on windows mobile professional? I cant seem to get it to work and when I try to go to the mobile site it takes me to the regular site.
- David Gross
Nope, sorry can't help you there, David.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... - Russ jackson
- Russ Jackson
http://www.google.com/reader... please add!
- Brendon Wadey
Jesse, I saw your share of this FriendFeed thread on Google Reader!
- John E. Bredehoft
David, I use mobile Google Reader on an older phone with Windows mobile. My bookmark begins with google.com/reader/m/view
- John E. Bredehoft
Here's mine...http://www.google.com/reader...
- Oscar Antonio Moralí
Aloha! http://www.google.com/reader...
- Ryan
check it out...http://www.google.com/reader...
- Cos
Will share tech, science and skepticism, and education news stories: http://www.google.com/reader...
- TC
in case anyone missed it, mine is http://www.google.com/reader...
- David Gross
more cool
- Brent - Loving Life
I share interesting articles about Internet music, social media, open content and copyright issues: http://www.google.com/reader...
- David Holmes
Today is my parents' 63rd wedding anniversary!
ravi karandeekar, Nayan, Lyd and 65 other people liked this
They're the ones in front.
- Mistletoe Glen
Congrats! wow!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Congrats......waving a big Hello from LI NY
- VAL D. Zone
Happy Anniversary!
- Josh Haley
Wow! Congrats Campbells. :)
- Rochelle
Congrats, that's amazing!
- Lo
thats so so kewl. Con'grats !!
- Peter Dawson
LOOK @ this piece of shit!!! he is from ZARTHUSTRA who says non sence to our JESUS http://ff.im/dfkva LETS FUCK HIM
- بنیامین
awesome
- Morgan Haley
Woah. What in the hell just happened in here?
- Akiva Moskovitz
looks like a spammer has hit in lots of post...wtf?
- Morgan Haley
Congrats!!! That's WONDERFUL!!! =D
- Anna Haro
That's fantastic! Happy Anniversary Glen's parents.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Congrats and happy anniversary to them! My assistant and his wife celebrated their 62nd last Friday. :)
- LB - not a snow bunneh
Wow, congrats to your parents!!!
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
Woot!
- Alix Whitmire
Amazing. :)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
BIG GIANT CONGRATS!
- Admiral Anika
Wow! Wow! Wow! Truly Amazing!
- Harold
Wonderful. My parents are doing their 46th in 5 days (12/27/63).
- Mitchell Tsai
My parents celebrated their 60th back in September. Seems like it was just a couple years ago that they had their 50th. I'm old!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Happy Anniversary to them - and you :)
- WorldofHiglet
Mazel Tov on their anniversary.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
congrats
- ★ Soner Gönül
How is it that such young studly types as us could have parents married 60+ years? It just doesn't figure!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
happy anniversary!
- Anna Lynn M.
Wow, that's awesome! Congrats to your parents!
- Alex Scoble
That's great! Happy anniversary to them!
- Trish R
63 is impressive, hope they hit 70! HB!
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
WOW! 63 and counting...God bless them.
- Lyd
Friendfeed Keyboard Shortcuts
N. Can KIRIK (j-joey), Ňicķ, Eda Uzun and 138 other people liked this
For those who may have missed it
- Josh Haley
i love them. But i keep trying to use GH on pretty much every other site i goto now..
- Simon Wicks
woow, thnx josh!
- Bahriye
You're very welcome. :)
- Josh Haley
Thank God I found you :] *bump*
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
I get that a lot.
- Josh Haley
who knew?
- Amy℠
LOL, Josh ;)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
woah, nice. // didn't know about the g* shortcuts.
- zeroinfluencer
Useful. Thanks..!
- ★ Soner Gönül
hey i made this :D
- Alfredo
Thanks!
- Josh Haley
I try to use these all the time on other sites...they don't work there... :-(
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
:)
- Josh Haley
I use these all the time - don't forget the Konami Code
- Jesse Stay
Doesn't seem to work anymore. Unless I have it wrong. up up down down left right left right b a?
- Josh Haley
konami code is useless now.
- Bahriye
Still works for me - up up down down left right left right b a tab enter
- Jesse Stay
Ah, OK, was missing the tab enter. Oooooh! Aaaaaah!
- Josh Haley
eww thats trippy :)
- Bryan Lee
How do you make your players die?
- Bryan Lee
Feed them cyanide?
- Josh Haley
Wow! I though you guys were joking about the up up down down... It really works!
- Skyler Call
Try that on Facebook.com minus the tab now :-)
- Jesse Stay
Where do they find the time...
- Josh Haley
up :)
- ozztrojen
"next page"?
- Jérôme Flipo
need j, k (ala ffffound/vi). Please!
- Claudio Cicali ♋
awesome josh ... im still a newbie when it comes to FF .. hehehe
- johnpiercy
My first MacBook Pro picture!
chaz2b, ramin, अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das and 59 other people liked this
zomg I love your hair!
- Josh Haley
Ahhhh thanks!
- Nurse Katie
Cuuuuuuute!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Bottom left pic is my fav. :-)
- Jason Huebel
from Android
Very cute. :)
- Christian (Simply X)
Cute! New FF user pic?
- Rochelle
A good idea. When I take it back out (I'm a dork and put it back in the box, wrapping and all) I'll have to update my stick-figure picture :o)
- Nurse Katie
from fftogo
Pretty Katie has a cute haircut
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Yeah this haircut is called a "sleep on it wet and don't cut it for 6 months". But I think I'll keep it :o)
- Nurse Katie
from fftogo
well it's still purty
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
very cute. :)
- edythe
:)
- winckel
your face expression is awesome
- Xitong Liu
:o)
- Nurse Katie
Teh hair is teh awzum!
- Jim Misses SP
No Batteries Required: Board Game Sales Soar : NPR - http://www.npr.org/templat...
Jérôme Flipo, Jason Huebel, Mona Nomura and 14 other people liked this
"If you think board games are boring, think again. Every night is game night at YottaQuest, a family-owned game shop in Cincinnati. Matthew Fay opened the shop five years ago, and since then, his business has increased 25 percent a year on average. Even during the recession, sales are up 40 percent compared to last year. "There are no video games in here at all. No video games, no electronic games," Fay says. "This is all personal interaction between people where, yeah, the game's one thing, but the socializing is the key part." Shelves are stocked from floor to ceiling with games such as Monopoly and Apples to Apples, and even European favorites like Settlers of Catan."
- Michelle Martinez
from Bookmarklet
"Still, Microsoft's Xbox, Sony's PlayStation and Nintendo's Wii continue to top holiday wish lists. A recent poll commissioned by an industry trade group found that 42 percent of American adults plan to give or receive a computer or video game this season. While electronic games remain popular, another sector of the game industry is doing very well. Toy manufacturers and major retailers...
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- Michelle Martinez
it's nice to get around a table and actually play a board game. It is social like playing a computer game isn't. Watching TV isn't a sociable activity either.
- Ian May
Hybrids could be cool, with displays, sound, and LEDs built into the board and pieces. Moving a piece to a particular spot could set off alarms or provide instructions. They might already have stuff like that. I haven't really looked.
- Cristo
My daughter got Balderdash for Christmas and we had a ball playing it yesterday afternoon. Plus, I kicked ASS!
- Jim Misses SP
In the last three days, I have played Apples to Apples, Munchkin, Trivial Pursuit, and Tsuro. I got Talisman for Christmas and picked up some Yahtzee scoresheets today.
- s t e v e
SCRABBLE! also card games like Uno. Boggle is good fun, as well.
- Joe Silence
3D Creative Pictures - http://www.yeeta.com/_3D_Cre...
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Mitchell Tsai, Amy, Ardvisoor and 29 other people liked this
Do You Know What a Chunky Is? - http://www.seriouseats.com/2009...
Live4Emma (L4S), Chatsohbet, DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE and 21 other people liked this
"Serious eaters, I was devastated and shocked when I arrived at World Headquarters today and asked the folks if they knew what a Chunky was. Only one of the five other serious eaters here knew what I was talking about. So, without looking or googling, do you know what a Chunky is?"
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
Yes!
- Sarah G.
it's a Nestle chocolate candy with peanuts and raisins.
- Blackeyed P
My mom's favorite candy. Never liked the raisins. That is new packaging for it though.
- Mary Carmen
It's a candied version of poo wrapped in a silver package!
- Admiral Anika
Never heard of it.
- Rochelle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... A B-grade movie star. :P
- Parth Awasthi
Yes, but I haven't seen one in stores for decades.
- DJF
I've heard of it, but I don't think I have ever eaten one.
- Michelle Martinez
I loved these when I was a kid, but I had to find the raisin-free version.
- Derrick
I would always get the kind with raisins for halloween. Best believe my mom took all of those to work.
- EricaJoy
hey..do they even make this still? it's probably in another country..like the original Mars bar not that weird Mars bar without the almonds...which just makes it a Milky Way.
- Anna Lynn M.
It was my dad's usual candy when we all got candy bars when I was a kid.
- s t e v e
Yes, of course I know???
- Kamilah Gill
yes I have eaten plenty of them
- VAL D. Zone
The lesser popular cousin to the Toblerone. LOVE teh Chunkeh.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I know what they are! Grew up with them... but I have to agree with Cecily: NO RAISINS IN CHOCOLATE!!! I also remember the non-raisin Chunky.
- Lisa L. Seifert
Of course I know. Not many places carry them anymore, though.
- Spidra Webster
Yes, but I think they are gross. :/
- Alix Whitmire
Gotta be the dark chocolate or no dice.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
of course I know what a chunky is!
- edythe
Chunky violates my no raisin rule. But I do know what it is!
- Joe Pierce
اپسيلون - شوخي با رياضيات - http://ep30lon.blogfa.com/post-49...
peiman, Mrd, 0x00 and 19 other people liked this
ماتریسش درسته منیره جان؟
- Kamangir
نکته این ه که مرکز دوران کجاست. یا نه نیست؟
- Kamangir
منیره؟ این چه حرفی ه؟ این که ماتریس دوران 90 درجه ی پادساعتگرد ه؟ اشتباه می کنم؟
- Kamangir
دیدم، نفهمیدم. :(
- Kamangir
منیره باحال حل کرده:دی
- mahshid
عالی بود
- bamdadi2
منم هیچی نفهمیدم
- Soroush
:))
- saeedeh
شخم
- منیر کنکوری
من فقط فهمیدم که دترمینان ماریسه یکه
- 0x00
Charlotte Gainsbourg ''Heaven Can Wait'' (feat. Beck) Remix by Nosaj Thing. http://preview.tinyurl.com/Charlot...
Phil Harrison, Mitchell Tsai, Fatima and winckel liked this
Free Download of "Heaven Can Wait" (feat. Beck) Remix by Nosaj Thing. From her new album "IRM" which will be released in the U.S. on January 26th.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Here's the video link: http://www.charlottegainsbourg.com/#...
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Toaster looks and acts like a printer. Better not get it jammed! (Hahaha! Ha. Ah... Ahem...) - http://www.designboom.com/weblog...
Jen, Chris Hofmann, Nisan Altay and 59 other people liked this
Don't you mean, 'BUTTER not get it jammed'?!# LOL I WIN THE INTERNET AGAIN!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Want!
- Alix Whitmire
hahaha @akiva
- Joe Pestro
It's so adorabibble! It looks like it's happy to make me toast! It's SMILING at me! (Hmm... is this the toaster from the Heart of Gold?)
- Ladybug Heather
I wonder, did Disney ever make a "Brave Little Toaster" toaster?
- Nathan Chase
Sooo cute!
- Mitchell Tsai
I actually would like to own one of these.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I would like one for my work cubicle.
- imabonehead
However, one needs to consider the "crumbage" if used at one's desk. (Said he who was known as much for his coffee stained working reports as for the brilliance of his analysis... and perhaps moreso the former.)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Looks like a printer? Funny-looking printer. I first thought it looked like a desk lamp. :) Very cool either way.
- Kol Tregaskes
What it looks like to me: It's a robot that pukes toast. *edit* not a bad thing, really
- Michael W. May
MWM, you say oh. Just saw your edit.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Some Pregnant GIs Could Face Court-Martial - http://www.military.com/news...
Penguin It's Cold Outside, میر "لولی" موسوی (نعیمی), Kol Tregaskes and 23 other people liked this
"A U.S. Army general in northern Iraq has added pregnancy to the list of reasons a Soldier under his command could be court-martialed. The new policy, outlined last month by Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo and released Friday by the Army, would apply to both female Soldiers who become pregnant on the battlefield and the male Soldiers who impregnate them."
- chaz2b
from Bookmarklet
Oh no, this probably means "I got court martialed after being gang raped" stories to come :(
- Lo
Um. Isn't this what we were warned against when the discussion of women serving first came up? We all said "No way, these people will be perfectly professional." Well. Here we are.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Does the military provide birth control to female soldiers? Because it seems like that would be a more reliable way to resolve the issue rather than "keep your legs together and try not to get raped."
- Jessie
@Lo: No, those impregnated from cases of rape will not be court martialed.
- Itachi
Should they then be forced to take birth control, Jessie?
- Christopher Harley
Gay men and women in the Military not looking so bad now are they?
- Uncle CW™
Jeremy, what's unprofessional about having consensual sex? As long as it isn't with a superior or subordinate that is.
- Michael R. Bernstein
its unprofessional when you violate orders, :(
- chaz2b
These people are there to serve a purpose. When you make yourself incapable of serving that purpose, it is the definition of unprofessional.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Where is the clause for rape? I haven't seen an article yet that states there is such a clause.
- Michelle Martinez
@Michelle @Itachi - I haven't seen any rape clause either, but I could believe one exists. However, based on what I've heard about the army's acknowledgement of & attention to their rape problem (or lack thereof), I'd still expect at least one or a few ugly court-martial-rape stories.
- Lo
Jessie, does the military provide/require male soldiers to use condoms? Why make it just about the woman?
- Rochelle
Lo, I don't doubt one exists, but I haven't seen the actual order. I definitely agree with you on the ugly court-martial-rape stories.
- Michelle Martinez
Rochelle, Both parties means the man and the woman both get CM'd.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus, I know. I was responding to Jessie's comment about the woman needing to be responsible for the birth control usage.
- Rochelle
From the CNN article, "Pregnancy that arises from sexual assault would not be punished, Cucolo said." That does not mean it has been written down, but it is at least being spun that way. I do find myself wondering if the military still has the same "no we won't pay for it" policy on abortion or day after pills.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Thank you, Jennifer, I hadn't seen that. The most recent general orders I can find online are from April. http://www.tac.usace.army.mil/deploym...
- Michelle Martinez
@rochelle ahh ok my bad then getting into the aggressive groove of the comments at the link, didn't do me good I guess. I apologize.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Jeremy, one problem is that both males and females could be behaving "unprofessionally", but only women would get penalized for it. As usual, women end up holding the hot potato. Oh, wait, I see now. So I guess they'd force a paternity test? Could that even be done easily before the baby is born?
- Kamilah Gill
I amended what I said.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah, paternity tests can be done prenatally if the mother has an amnio or CVS.
- Rochelle
@Michelle - it does still worry me though, given (as you pointed out) the terrible record with sexual assault cases. I'm hoping the directive itself is a bit more specific.
- Jennifer Dittrich
There are women that get pregnant to get out of Iraq, or to avoid deployment altogether, I have served with some of them. And yes, it is absolutely wrong. What pisses me off, though, is that a whole bunch of men go to Iraq, cheat on their spouse, and their wife blames the female rather than blame their husband that can't keep it in his pants for 12 months. Iraq was scandalous. The things that went on during my deployment were mind blowing.
- Michelle Martinez
So I guess that invasive procedure is considered benign enough? or I guess if a woman refuses to have a test done, a test can be done on the child after it's born? I still think it's easier for a man to get out of this than a woman. It seems unfair.
- Kamilah Gill
[edited: Chaz2b], there is a difference between getting pregnant deliberately (yes, that could be considered unprofessional) and taking precautions such as using protection and having that protection fail (which happens, condoms, the pill, etc. are not 100% effective).
- Michael R. Bernstein
Not when you are in the military. these people are not civilians. They have different rules.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy, how can you say that? They just *changed* the rules.
- Michael R. Bernstein
hm =/ They're still humans, though...
- Kamilah Gill
We had a female in our unit get pregnant and get sent home while we were in Iraq. The best part was that the father was married to someone else. Technically they could have punished him with the adultery thing, but they never did.
- Michelle Martinez
Human =/= unable to control themselves. These are soldiers, not administrative assistants.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
There is no way you can ask healthy people in their late teens and 20s to simply *not have sex* for their entire term of service. No. Way.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Yes there is. People with morals do it all the time.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Michael, They can have sex while in the army, just not in Iraq.
- Michelle Martinez
Hah.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I like how Jeremy implies that people who have sex have no morals. Does that apply to soldiers who are married to each other, too, Jeremy?
- Rochelle
So.. lets go all big brother and do this. Once you enter the military they remove eggs from the women and freeze the sperm from the men. Then the soldiers go through a sterilization procedure to take care of this issue as well as any war babies that has constantly occurred over the centuries. Once out of service the Gov then will provide the eggs and sperm for the vet's use to have children.
- Uncle CW™
Soldiers aren't going to stop having sex in Iraq, I guarantee it. And as far as morals go, I saw way worse stuff in four years of the army than I ever saw in four years of college. Way worse.
- Michelle Martinez
Some teens and 20-somethings might make it through long and frequent tours of service in Iraq without ever having sex, but if the military limited itself to that pool of recruits, it probably wouldn't be large enough to fight a major war.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
@Rochelle, although that may be my opinion, I just said that people can abstain from sexual activity if they have a strong moral base. It happens all the time. Only those with no moral base would conclude that it couldn't be done. We are humans, not animals. @CW, that's not what I meant at all. I actually was commenting on the relative good judgment of having a co-ed military....
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- Jeremy (on vacation)
{edit: myself} i was just trying to illustrate how much you let your unit down, in a war situation, when you (male/femme) violate orders (no sex in a war environment), :( Your brothers and sisters train with you & rely on your support for survival in war, you are obligated to stow "your" stuff while deployed (in a war enviroment), nothing more, nothing less.
- chaz2b
Jeremy, I get what you're saying, but I doubt things will change. People shouldn't have sex in Iraq, but they will. And even though the male is also being punished, the military culture tends to blame the woman.
- Michelle Martinez
Jeremy, I agree that most people can abstain from sexual activity if they have been sufficiently brainwashed, though a very large percentage of them wouldn't be particularly effective soldiers when you were done. Note that boot camp is just such a brainwashing activity, tuned over centuries for the process of producing effective soldiers, and completely abstaining from sex is definitely not part of the program.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Chaz2b: Have you ever been shot at, in any context?
- Michael R. Bernstein
So people with a 'moral base' can abstain from obesity caused by over-eating, but everyone else cannot?
- Micah Wittman
All people can abstain from any non-autonomic behavior that they choose to. It is only when you have been taught that you are just an animal and have no control over instincts that you give into every physical whim.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Micah, that's a terrible analogy.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Micah has made my point.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Michael, please explain why you think so.
- Micah Wittman
Jeremy, I'd like to see you try to abstain from breathing, then.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I'll edit.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy, is that also your opinion of addicts? That alcoholics can just abstain if they really wanted to?
- Rochelle
Jeremy has missed my point.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, because a large number of people assume that over-eating and obesity *are* moral failings.
- Michael R. Bernstein
An addict can stop indulging the craving when they choose to do so.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Wow. You clearly don't know much about addiction.
- Rochelle
Wrong. I'm involved with the work of several addiction recovery counselors.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Michael, obesity is multi-faceted issue, as is the state's (military and civilian) governance of human behaviour across the board.
- Micah Wittman
I don't know any addiction recovery counselor who would tell their clients to just suck it up and quit being an addict.
- Rochelle
The first step to recovery is realizing that you want to stop.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy, there are always people at the margin who can be helped through willpower/morals/whatever. There is a very large chunk of folks that cannot be helped that way.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Cranking up the willpower/ethics/morals/whatever even higher may get you a few more folks, but eventually you run into sharply diminishing returns.
- Michael R. Bernstein
That's a cop-out. Then no human is responsible for their actions. Their nature made them do it.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Same goes for sex.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Why? Advocating for stronger morals isn't a bad thing within reason, but if you take it too far eventually you slide into self-hate, puritanism, and self-righteously telling other people what to do because you *can't* actually control yourself.
- Michael R. Bernstein
What I'm saying isn't that *some* people couldn't abstain if they wanted to, but that there is no way you can get *all* people to do so, and blaming the *majority* who can't is nonsensical.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Can the same go for murder?
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Not exactly, but there is a reason we have reduced penalties for 'crimes of passion', 'in the heat of the moment', etc.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Intent matters. So, if serving soldiers did not *intend* to get pregnant, and took adequate precautions, I see no reason they should be penalized the same as someone who *intended* to get pregnant or recklessly failed to use protection.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Imagine, if you will, that they were injured and thus incapacitated through reckless driving.
- Michael R. Bernstein
They intended to have intercourse.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
They were off-duty and driving for fun.
- Michael R. Bernstein
What you're suggesting, Jeremy, is equivalent to making any recreational activity that results in the soldier being incapacitated for active duty (even if they take reasonable precautions) punishable by court martial.
- Michael R. Bernstein
You're assuming that sexual intercourse is relegated to recreational activity - like playing Uno or Dominoes.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Hmm. Jeremy, do you have any objection to soldiers having consensual sex other than the possibility of pregnancy? Are you assuming that having sex is *inherently* immoral? Perhaps I should have asked this earlier, with your murder analogy.
- Michael R. Bernstein
i have a problem with disregarding orders, :(
- chaz2b
BTW, for the record, I think sex is *way* better than Dominoes or Uno. Even better than Scrabble.
- Michael R. Bernstein
i have a problem of being trained to do a duty, in war, and people jeapordizing the safety of others for their own gratification
- chaz2b
I am assuming that sex is more significant than Dominoes or a Sunday Drive. It can be immoral if it is taking advantage of another person by not first creating a safe monogamous relationship. But that's not the issue. We're discussing soldiers fighting a war. Different level of commitment.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Sorry I'm late to respond. My understanding was that the military provides condoms (please correct me if I'm wrong). I was wondering if the military also provided female birth control because then female soldiers might have some control over the situation, i.e. pregnancy wouldn't be dependent on whether male soldiers decided to wear a condom. Re: whether or not they should be forced to...
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- Jessie
I think we're talking past each other here, Jeremy. Do you have any objection to soldiers having consensual sex *other* than the possibility of a pregnancy which would render them unfit for active duty?
- Michael R. Bernstein
look what happened while we were debating this "General Backs Off on Court Martials for Pregnant Soldiers" http://abcnews.go.com/WN...
- chaz2b
"I regret that the term 'court martial' is bandied about or mentioned," Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo III said from Iraq today. "I do not ever see myself putting a soldier in jail for this."
- chaz2b
Cucolo said that in the eight weeks his policy has been in force, four women soldiers were redeployed because they had become pregnant in violation of Cucolo's order. The four women and two male soldiers received letters of reprimand that will not remain in their permanent military files. A third male soldier, he said, was also punished for getting a female soldier pregnant. He was a...
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- chaz2b
"Anyone who leaves this fight early because they made a personal choice that changed their medical status -- or contributes to doing that to another -- is not in keeping with a key element of our ethos, 'I will always place the mission first,' or three of our seven core values: loyalty, duty and selfless service," he continued. "And I believe there should be negative consequences for making that personal choice. "
- chaz2b
Some commanders, he (Army spokesman Lt. Col. Nathan Banks) noted, have made DUI a potentially court martial offense, while some haven't.
- chaz2b
I'd support classifying 'unprotected sex' (note: not 'sex', or 'pregnancy') as roughly the same level of offense as a DUI.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael: And how would you enforce that? Pregnancy is easy to verify.
- Tudor Bosman
Well, that's pretty tricky, I admit. But we shouldn't go down the road of making things crimes just because they are easy to verify.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Quite the opposite: we shouldn't go down the road of making activities crimes that 1. aren't easy to verify, and 2. don't hurt anyone (except maybe the people who engage in those activities intentionally).
- Tudor Bosman
It *is* a nice little morass, isn't it?
- Michael R. Bernstein
I wouldn't necessarily discount the power of self-incrimination, though. Happens all the time.
- Michael R. Bernstein
BTW, although you can't enforce condom *use*, if you simply assume soldiers are human and going to have sex, you require them to have condoms as part of their kit. No going anywhere without them.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Also, unprotected sex by itself doesn't hurt anyone (except for the two (or more) people involved, if one of them has a STD, but presumably they're fully aware of what they're doing). Pregnancy does hurt a woman's ability to fight on the front lines, and so it seems to me perfectly reasonable to restrict it.
- Tudor Bosman
I personally prefer criminalizing as little as possible; breaking into someone's house should be a crime, but simply owning lockpicks shouldn't be.
- Tudor Bosman
But Tudor, unprotected sex does not automatically result in pregnancy, it just has a higher likelihood. Just like DUI does not automatically result in an accident.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Criminalizing pregnancy means that if two people engage in safe sex and the protections fail, they are still guilty.
- Michael R. Bernstein
You can't reasonably expect people to simply not have sex. It's insane.
- Michael R. Bernstein
+Michael B.
- Kamilah Gill
Why not?
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Michael: which they should be; it's pregnancy that actually has consequences on the woman's ability to serve, not sex itself, unprotected or not. And you could have extenuating circumstances if you could prove that the pregnancy was caused from failure of a birth control method used correctly, and aggravating circumstances if the prosecution can prove that the woman became pregnant in order to avoid service on the front lines.
- Tudor Bosman
All of these particulars illustrate to me the reason why the military should not try to regulate pregnancy in this manner. Perhaps there's another solution. (I'm not sure what, but all of this oversteps personal rights too much for me. I know that you give up certain rights when you join the military, but not every right.)
- Kamilah Gill
Also, if I may be blunt, pregnancy is not irreversible, while the consequences of a traffic accident often are. (I do think that any regulation that criminalizes pregnancy should also make abortion easily available) A woman can abstain (and thus be certain that she won't be pregnant, barring rape), use birth control (two different methods of birth control, used concurrently and...
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- Tudor Bosman
Kam - they are supposed to be soldiers. Hard, tough, fighting soldiers. If they can't keep their pants on, we don't need them as soldiers. Men and women alike.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy: while I understand your point, a solution that *works* is better than one that has stronger principles.
- Tudor Bosman
Why is it assumed that stronger principals would not work?
- Jeremy (on vacation)
While I have no data related directly to the military, the closest thing that comes to mind is abstinence-only sex education, which has been shown (time and time again) to be ineffective. See, for example, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....
- Tudor Bosman
Who says your principals are stronger or for everyone? What works for you does not equal success for everyone else.
- Uncle CW™
Also, a policy that takes into account people's urges and desires is (prima facie) more likely to be effective than one that works against them.
- Tudor Bosman
It won't work because soldiers are human.
- Michelle Martinez
The funny thing is, "not having sex" was not specifically banned while I was deployed. It was all the things that could lead to it that were banned like males going into the females' quarters. Leadership knew it was going on, only pregnancies and assaults were an issue.
- Rob Haas
I'd like to suggest an alternate solution: Pregnancy results in immediate maternity leave. After maternity leave, the soldier must get back into shape until they are fit for duty. Their tour is automatically extended by the same amount of time as leave+getting back into shape.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Jeremy, do you also think that returning soldiers could choose to stop having PTSD? Also, that you're "involved in the work of several addiction recovery counselors" doesn't mean you know SHIT about addiction. The recovery industry has largely ignored all scientifically-based information about addiction for decades. But I highly recommend not replying to my comment or this thread will go train wreck quickly.
- Lo
Lo, that depends. I have some very close relationships with those who have had some very real addictions, but I, myself, have not had a serious coke habit, no. I'm glad you're an expert in the field and ready to dismiss the whole profession based on your exclusive knowledge on the subject. I'm also glad that any dissent against your opinion comes with a threat. I'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy, my "threat" was merely intended as a warning that this is a highly emotional topic for me. I do not claim to be an expert. As an addict who received a lot of expensive "help" that gave me still more problems, I took the time to read a bunch of studies about the various treatment modalities in use and their effectiveness - as determined by actual research. I was fucking...
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- Lo
Oh. See, I've got several people that will say that 12 step programs saved their life. What a strange thing.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Furthermore, my issue with your comments has less to do with the issue of addiction, and more to do with your implied assertion that alcoholism and multiple suicide attempts were a rational choice I made, and that these choices were due to a lack of morality. Intense emotion actually causes the cerebral cortex to stop functioning.
- Lo
Well, then I will remember that you are not responsible for your own actions.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Yeah, I was one of the people who credited AA with my life, too. Then I stopped going to AA, and I did not return to drinking or die as they told me I would. Then I read that the rate of people who stay sober in AA is nearly identical to the rate of people who get sober with no treatment of any kind. You are aware of the phenomenon where humans can create rational explanations and believe them despite the fact they are false? Also demonstrated by research.
- Lo
Where did I say I was not responsible for my own actions?
- Lo
"Intense emotion actually causes the cerebral cortex to stop functioning."
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I don't see the word responsible in there anywhere.
- Lo
So, you are responsible for those choices.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I am responsible for the outcome of my actions. That does not mean that every action I make is a carefully considered, rational choice based solely on my morality.
- Lo
No, there is such a thing as diminished capacity, I'll agree with you there. But no one starts there. Your choices get you there.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
LOL I chose my brain chemistry and genes?!?!?!!? You are a fucking trip.
- Lo
You chose to drink alcohol.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy, would a tourret's syndrome sufferer be responsible for their verbal outbursts, or would that just be a laps of moral judgment on their part?
- Jeff P. Henderson
And I chose to have the suicide gene?
- Lo
I chose to have more intense emotions than 99% of mankind? (I had what they call borderline personality disorder, thus the drinking)
- Lo
Jeremy you are not going to win this argument....
- Jeff P. Henderson
I think the problem is that, like most people, you lie to yourself about the nature of your decision-making process. This is not a slam against you, there seems to be evidence that this is an innate brain function, and it's probably there for a reason. Like most, you can't bear to consider that you aren't as in control of your decisions as you'd like to believe. And that's fine. You can think that all day and I don't care, it doesn't affect me.
- Lo
@Jeff - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki..., @Lo - I'm not going to say that chemical imbalances are not a part of life, but let's please not try and blame everything but ourselves for our actions.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
But when you tell me that one day I woke up, was perfectly healthy & had every opportunity, and I CHOSE to ruin my life and nearly die for a good fucking time, damn straight I will get pissed off.
- Lo
Again, you are putting words into my mouth! I already said I'm responsible for everything I do, and I blame no one for my actions!
- Lo
WTF is "blame" anyway? Define it. It's an artificial construct that means nothing.
- Lo
"TS is an inherited neuropsychiatric disorder" How is this different than other mental illnesses?
- Jeff P. Henderson
If by "blame" you mean "what made something happen," then there are thousands if not billions of factors spanning centuries that all led up to every decision I make. Every experience I've ever had shapes how I react to stimuli. Every connection in my brain got there somehow, and determines my behavior.
- Lo
Jeff, I'm not arguing against chemical imbalances, but Lo's argument is that she didn't choose to make the choices she's made. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
NO. I am saying that your understanding of the concept of choice is ridiculous and contrary to science.
- Lo
My concept of choice is that I am not an animal, and am therefore capable of making decisions and will be held responsible for them.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I take full responsibility for everything I've ever done and said, and even things that most people say are not my fault. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. I've done 9th steps with basically everyone I've ever known and continue to do them despite not being in the program.
- Lo
As should these young men and women in the military.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy I don't completely agree with your statement. Mental illness, chemical imbalances can cause you to act in a manner that is against your judgment, or in a manner that is unacceptable to most people.
- Jeff P. Henderson
"I am not an animal" - Then you're the first creature outside my kingdom to achieve language! Yes you are, learn some science. You might work on some compassion, too. You have misread my intent every step of the way. I'm not saying I'm not responsible for my actions, I'm saying that your assertion that people deliberately choose to suffer and die is rude & callous in the extreme.
- Lo
Lo, I drake heavily and acted in a sexually promiscuous manner for several years. Those actions have had several negative impacts on my life. However, when I made those choices, I was in full control of what I was doing. Society has held me responsible, because I could have chosen to act in a more appropriate manner. If I could not make that choice, it would not be just to hold me...
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- Jeremy (on vacation)
How do you know you were "in full control"? That's your opinion. I hate to break it to you, but all the neuroscience I've read in that area lately suggests that's an illusion. Anyway, you're misunderstanding my point and making me feel very upset & like shit, so I quit. You're right, I was in full control of myself from birth, and I decided to try to kill myself repeatedly because I was bored. Why am I such an idiot and an asshole? Guess it's because I'm immoral. You win.
- Lo
Jeremy, all I'll say is, I hope you're a troll.
- Tudor Bosman
Troll?
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Tudor, and he's good, it's been a long time since I "chose" to be so upset about something stupid somebody said on the internet :P
- Lo
It's easy to dismiss what someone is saying when you label them as sub-human.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
well you're obviously not human. since humans are animals.
- Sarah
People are different. Some of my friends have addictions they can't stop. Others have quit smoking on their first try. I don't think there's any "theory" of "Does 12-step work or not" that applies to everyone. Even if statistics (which I'm not familiar with) say "12-step" is bunk, there always can be people out there which it helps. My Dad works with medicine, and he jokes that the...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Jeremy, I dismissed what you're saying because you appear to be trolling. No one called you less than subhuman, and indeed your failure to respond to my points is the key sign you're just trying to be a jerk rather than actually argue for anything. Another big tip-off is that you argued for several contradictory points - did you really say addiction is a choice and then defend the...
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- Lo
Mitchell, I agree completely and that's why I don't discourage anyone from going to AA even though I don't anymore. The problem (in my eyes) is that a common view among treatment "professionals" (which includes psychologists, psychiatrists, and counselors, who don't necessarily have special training or education relating to addiction) is that 12-step programs work, and if they don't work it's the patient's fault, and the solution is just to wait until she gets more miserable. Assuming she doesn't die.
- Lo
The realtime connection from Twitter to FriendFeed is back! (thanks to Twitter's "birddog" api)
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Awesome news!
- Jorge Escobar
Very good!
- Kurt Starnes
Sweetness!
- Alex Scrivener
34 secs flat for my latest tweet. Thanks Paul and team for this!
- Jorge Escobar
wow, that makes actually want to use Twitter. I may just go tweet something.
- Mike Nencetti
It should be even faster than that Jorge, but our systems are getting near their limit. I hope to have it down to 1 sec sometime next month.
- Paul Buchheit
Thank god!
- Miguel Caetano
@Paul, believe me, 34 secs is a charm compared to what we had before!
- Jorge Escobar
Great news!
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Is the birddog api open to all developers, or is it only to you guys?
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge, everyone can access the streaming api, but you need an agreement to follow a large number of ids. See http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Streami...
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks Paul.
- Roberto Bonini
that cool. Thanks Paul
- Peter Dawson
Yay! That's fantastic! I was getting really bored of manually refreshing it every time I tweeted. Especially from my phone. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Does this mean that Scoble can get smarter on FriendFeed again?
- Crutis
NICE!
- Jason Huebel
Thanks Paul, nice work :)
- LANjackal
wow no posts on the majors yet - usually within mere moments of an announcement we'd have posts.
- Allen Stern
Thank God.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
cool!
- barbarars
What was the problem?
- Ozkan Altuner
Now....if you could just get rid of the @ replies again. I would be very happy.
- Chris Nixon
relief ! :)
- asli subasi
You are still working on Frienfeed (: how nice !
- Murat Can Demir
whoa, it took less than a minute. i accdently tested it but it's great :) thnx
- asli subasi
awesome, keep it up guys, i knew you would not let us down
- Iggy Mwangi
Great news, love the efforts still put in to FF.I use Google Reader to share into FF (PubSubHubBub) then FF to Twitter (now Real-Time). The URL shortener is great (ff.im), and so FF is central to my social lifestream. I don't care what Scoble says, FF is technically better and feature-rich.
- Keith Rowland
P.S. Conversations are still better here than on GReader, and you just can't have one on Twitter.
- Keith Rowland
You didn't break the FF Facebook app while you were at it, did you? It hasn't worked since.
- Tim Tyler
Oh, awesome!!! 12 seconds :) I can finally go back to Twitter (...okay no I can't I've turned into a Friendfeed junkie..) but prior it took hours upon hours for me to see a feed. Dumb I am, I never suspected a problem LMAO.
- H0llywoodWh0re
Thank you!
- Micah Wittman
Awesome news :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
eyvallah hacı
- Mücahit Yılmaz
Cool. Haven't tried it but yay!
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Yippee! I love real time
- Sandra Large
Paul ?? Twitter updates facebook status and then facebook creates a new feed here on friendfeed. So we have same entries both from twitter and facebook on friendfeed. Could you guys please work on how we can avoid duplicate entries? Thank you. ( If there's already a way to avoid this, pls let me know)
- Murat Can Demir
Cool, thanks, Paul! :-) RT Twitter updates have been missed. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
And just as I say that, I see my tweets are not coming into FF in real-time. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol. I just tweeted and it was here before I could get out of Tweetie and launch Safari... It's working :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
awesome.; thank you a lot..
- Jaap Willem
Nice! Thank U Paul :)
- zʍıɔ
:)
- ★ Soner Gönül
Oh, so nice to have that back again.
- Hutch Carpenter
Johnny, cool. Just me then. It's still slow. Maybe it's FriendFeed then?
- Kol Tregaskes
It truncates retweets, even in the middle of a link...
- Raphael, Raphael
seems that there are only 140chars allowed for a tweet (on FF) and the new twitter retweets are being translated on the way through to old RT @name style - thus are too long.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Man, you Americans are lucky to have such a down to earth President. - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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Lucky? Meh.
- Spencer
Now theres a much better cover for The New Yorker :)
- Roberto Bonini
I LOVE that photo.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
While I'd prefer he'd stop the "torture is okay if they're not people" crap, better a torturing president who's nice to people and cool than the last guy :)
- Lo
Obama isn't perfect (far from it) but he's been loads better than the Dubya years on a number of fronts.
- Joe Silence
Considering the alternatives that were provided, we got the best person for the job.
- Uncle CW™
A fistbump does not a down-to-earth President make...
- Jenthemum
Wow, reading these comments, the US has some seriously jaded citizens.. and they are all online. :P
- Uncle CW™
I'm (independent) red, and I don't see Obama is being any more or less approachable than Bush was. But then again being from the latter's home state helps that ;). But there's no doubt he's done more to bring the government process closer to the people it affects than anyone else before him (I'm young, so I may be wrong). And that picture exemplifies that fact
- LANjackal
Cute pic, but his actions so far aren't very encouraging.
- Itachi
a year or so ago, we had something similar with our PM. he was out an about, meeting people who lost their homes, their loved ones lives when the terrible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... black saturday bushfires. one guy was talking to the PM and just broke down in front of the cameras and kev gives the guy a hug. there's a lot i don't agree with that the gov. isn't doing at the moment but it was a nice moment..
- Terry O'Fee
That's a nice photo!
- TrafficBug
Bush gave nicknames to people, wasn't that down-to-earth? =P
- Andrew C
turdblossom ?? ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Can the UK have him when America is finished with him? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
if you don't like him, I proffer a good exchange with italian prime minister.
- Bisax
Anthony Citrano to Anthony's feed, Photography United, fashion photography, Photographing, Photography as Art, Photoshop, Fotograf
Demi Moore may sue photographer over retouch talk | MSNBC - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...
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“Ignoring the legalese, the lensman has decided to stand his ground...”
- Anthony Citrano
FRACK YEAH!
- Johnny Worthington
Amen, brother!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
DAMN THE MAN. SAVE THE EMPIRE.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
She's suing for the return of her hip?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I thought she was suing to pay for the shortening of the one arm. #confuzzled
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
This is so crazy - why stand by such a crappy retouch? Good luck Anthony, kudos for sticking to your guns.
- Joe
The reach of this story just got reachier.
- Micah Wittman
Oh well, then. In the words of Bender - they're boned.
- WorldofHiglet
I wish they had spelled your name right, though, Antiny.
- WorldofHiglet
They did call him "the lensman" though, which sounds like a superhero to me.
- Joe
Good luck, and please keep us posted. They are being such douchebags...
- T. Brent, technopeasant
You all remember the Consumerist not backing down from the Cash 4 Gold retaliation http://consumerist.com/2009... right - they held their ground, light was shed in a dark corner, and justice prevailed. It's not always that clear cut, nor easy, and battles can be lost; but it's right. It's a completely different set of circumstances here, but the principal of it is universal. All the best, Anthony.
- Micah Wittman
@WoH: thanks, they be fixin' it soon, I trust.
- Anthony Citrano
Hang-in there
- Mel Buckpitt
While I agree that Demi Moore is starting to take this too far, at the same time I do have to say that the guy who did the Photoshop work should have at least checked to make sure that things were lined up correctly. Photoshopping a image is one thing, but not keeping an eye on your work is another.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
is demi that insecure??
- Terry O'Fee
i mean i could say something about her and ashton as well.. ;)
- Terry O'Fee
@Anthony, have you dared them to post the original RAW file to prove you wrong?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Good luck, Anthony.
- James Myatt
The truth hurts don't it? :P
- Susan Beebe
Demi needs to sue the ham-handed p'shopper. She's definitely missing a chunk of hip, unless she's an alien. Talk about shooting the messenger!
- Rick Cogley
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love candy chocolate :)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
:-))
- Anna Haro
Awesome Photos of Panic in DC about Upcoming Winter Storms! | Pork Barrel BBQ - http://www.porkbarrelbbq.com/awesome...
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"I just returned from Target in Alexandria, Virginia to stock up for the big winter storms. I wanted to share some early photos of the panic surrounding the DC Winter Blizzard of 2009 – maybe they’ll call it the DC THUNDER BLIZZARD OF 2009! I thought it might be useful to have some good winter boots and went to the boot aisle at Target only to find:"
- Morton Fox
from Bookmarklet
Personally, I would go and buy all of my storm supplies in August to avoid the crowds, but that's just me. ;-P I can't believe people wait until the last minute, year after year after year.....
- Jeff P. Henderson
I would just use storm supplies from the previous winter. There's always something left over if I haven't thrown it out.
- Morton Fox
+1 Morton...
- Jenny Morman
Done...
Evrim, John Wang, ronin and 71 other people liked this
good work!
- Trish Haley
Nice!
- TheHenry
WIN FOR THE DARK SIDE
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
i just looked and your work area was bare, :p
- chaz2b
Took you long enough.
- Johnny's Beard
Johnny, watch out. I fear your beard is becoming jealous and will soon try to take over! Or at least break your LEGOS
- Joe Pierce
I hve blisters on my fingers!!!
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Dude.. so awesome.
- Rodfather
This is great!
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Yes!
- WorldofHiglet
er...shouldn't there be *6* minifigs?
- WorldofHiglet
i was at a toy store with my wife and kids today looking for a dolly for our oldest. after that was concluded, i disappeared into the 3 aisles of LEGO for nearly 20 minutes. my wife says that when i emerged my face looked like i'd recently received oral gratification. dang.
- Joe Silence
Woo Hoo!!!!
- Gabrielle V
It's Monday morning and my fingers are raw. Very hard to type... Now, how to explain this to my work mates without encountering the relentless mocking that usually follows these types of projects....
- Johnny Worthington
The scale is a little off.
- Andy Bakun
*schweet*!
- Derrick
I see the pictures there and my heart is all a-flutter.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Great work! Posing Chancellor Palpatine and his clone troopers in front was a great touch! Any chance of a Death Star soon? ;)
- Ken & Kiyomi
Aden... your next challenge
- Johnny Worthington
Good lord! Can't I work up to that? Hmmm I need to see if that is on my list.
- aden
I saw that set at the Lego store. WANT.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
How I got fired... - http://meme.yahoo.com/wrzl...
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Forkliftçiyi kurtarmak için AKUTU felan çağırmak lazım :)
- Hamza Şamlıoğlu @TEAkolik
bence sadece bi imam lazım başında okusun,orda gömüldü zaten :D
- Sercan Türk
Allah rahmet eylesin
- Yasar Yigit Kacmaz
photoshop :))
- antique™
sercan hahhaha :))
- ✔ Sɑde
Zımbırtılar düşmeye başlayınca eleman sinyal veriyor. Tarraaaa yedik demeye çalışıyor.
- Burçin Mumcuoğlu
Sağdaki kutulardan çıkanlar kağıt da soldakilerden çıkan küpler ne ola ki?
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
o küplerin hepsi ayrı ayrı kutu heralde icinde ne var bilmiyoz tabi :P
- mbtemiz
sınyal trafıkden ceza yememek ıcın herhalde :P ama elemanın dusundugunden farklı gelısıyo :P
- Gökhan ELBİR
:))
- Nima Nilian ★
ölenin arkasından konuşulmaz ama arkadaşlar günaha giriosunuz :D
- Sercan Türk
:(
- sistema428
lol
- echostreamer
bu kaza rusya'da meydana gelmisti. haberini yazmistim. acayip kaza ya kutularin icinde icki vodka falan filan var. gitti güzelim ickiler :)
- Cagdas Seichter
OMG! lol
- Bluesun 2600
ROFLMAO!
- MikeAmundsen
or How I almost got Killed !
- johnpiercy
herif nokta atışı yapmıs resmen.
- Melih Dalar
bir şirketin çöküşü ve salak bir eleman izlediniz :)
- Arapprensi
Maaşına zam, işine son...
- reha37
yuhh yaaa ne bu
- nef
photoshop diyen arkadaşı kınıyorum =)
- eric
kutular da "biri dokunsa da yıkılsak" diye bekliyormuş sanki :)
- Mehmet Alkulak
sigortadan para almak icin yapmışlardır:P
- Tuncay Aydin
raf sistemi tonaja göre yapılmamış proje hatası var tek sıra raf olmaz ve raf başlarında derbe demirleri olması gerekiyor herhangi böyle çarpmaları engellemek için.
- serhan
operatöre birşey olmamışdır forkliftte korkuluk sağlamdır;)
- serhan
oyy bu ne bee!!
- Ülkünur Arslan
işyerinde iş güvenliği ile ilgili hiç bir düzenleme yapılmamış. rezalet.
- Evrim
operatöre bir şey olmamıştır tabi, olsa olsa kafayı bulmuştur kafasının üzerindeki onlarca içki şişesi ile..
- Erinç Çakır
diğer forklift kaçıyor ama öteki rafa yakalanıyor
- serhan
zararın 250bin dolarlık vodka olduğu söyleniyor
- irfan ÖZTÜRK
yılbaşında alkole zam nerden çıkaracaklar o parayı:))
- serhan
hadi votkaları sineye çekerlerde o raf sistemini kurmak votka zararının üç katı onu napıcaklar sigortaları yoksa eğer.
- serhan
iyi olmuş iyi... öyle bir darbede yıkılacak raf durmasın zaten...
- Oguz Kaan C Kilinc (okck)
diğer forkliftçi de tırsak tırak kaçıyor fonda... :)
- Oguz Kaan C Kilinc (okck)
kaçıyorda diğer rafa yakalanıyor:))
- serhan
her rafta üç palet var raflar 3 ton taşımay kapastelidir fazla yüklenmiş paletler yüksek daha ağırdır zaten dokunsan labirent gibi gidicekmiş gitmişde zaten.
- serhan
:)
- ★ Soner Gönül
Viski deposumuydu o depo?
- mustafa can
iş yerinden kovulmak bir yana,1 yıllık iş çıkmıştır tekrar yeni düzen için.neyse 1 yıl daha çalışıtırırlar galiba:)))))
- şafak başkılıç
köyü yıkmış
- Eşref Atak
owww
- Hande Ünver
fail
- Ömer Suner
LMFAO
- Itachi
Lockerz'ın binaya benziyo sadksa :d
- şafak O
yuhanzi
- ermania
zaten birgün yıkılacakmış..
- beyazeldiven
"MOSCOW, Russia - A big "whoops" for one employee operating a forklift inside a liquor warehouse in Russia. A security camera capturing the incident as the forklift plows into a shelf which causes it to collapse into another one. As a result, hundreds of boxes of vodka come crashing down. It is estimated $170,000 worth of alcohol was destroyed." [http://go.mamund.com/ydq3]
- MikeAmundsen
oh shitttttttttttt
- VAL D. Zone
that was just simply overloaded it was bound to happen
- VAL D. Zone
hahahaha, bambaskaymis bu :)))
- Orkut Ozdemirci
Good grief. They're lucky if they weren't killed. I hope they weren't hurt. That looks like a case of a poorly constructed warehouse to me. That kind of chain reaction shouldn't be able to happen just because of one little bump like that. The shelves fell into pieces and everything.
- Kamilah Gill
heheheheee I love Drinkin' on da Job!!
- Billy Warhol
Kitap bağış kampanyasına çağrı... Kitaplarınızı "Başak Sayan / Mustafa Esen" adına Aydın Üniversitesi Sefaköy İstanbul adresine gönderin. Tam adres : Aydın Üniversitesi İnönü Caddesi. Beşyol Mahallesi. No:40. Sefaköy / İstanbul. (Aras Kargo ile ücretsiz) -
- muhammet ali demir
Raflar 4 katlı, her bir raf yüksekliği 1mt.den fazla bile olsa en fazla 5-6 metre eder. O nedenle ince ayaklar ve traversler kullanılmış. Raflar üstten (back to back) birbirine bağlı değil. Raf sırtlarında çapraz bağlantılar yok. Raf arası koridorlarda raylar da yok. Hiç bir rafın ayakları dış etkenlere karşı korumasız olamaz. Daha bugün taktırdım yeni raf ayaklarına 12 adet ve 80 cm...
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- Murat Esenli
wow! yikes!
- Valley
we call it "chain reaction"
- Doritos değil Panço
holy crap..He/she should sue for unsafe work envoirnment :)-
- Peter Dawson
=))))))))))))
- Ehsan Diary
upps
- dogan kaya berktas
hay aksiii ..
- irmak
bu arada sanki suç sadece forklifti kullanan da değil.. böyle domino effect bi depo yapmak da bi garip :)
- Doritos değil Panço
Here's all the conversations on FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/search... (all items with five or more comments). Just for anyone who is looking for a conversation. Me? I'm looking to get smarter. I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything.
Robin Good ITALIA, Ali BULUT, sofarsoShawn and 29 other people liked this
In fact, most of these conversations aren't even in English.
- Robert Scoble
While I see what you're lamenting, I haven't seen much better on twitter - especially since the format reflects the idea of shouting into the void 160 at a time.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
so.... not in English= not smart? Maybe you could learn some of the languages. You'd be smarter then!
- Jim Misses SP
Jeremy: I used to think that too, but then I unfollowed everyone and changed my strategy. My lists are very good now for getting smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: not in English = not making ME smarter unless I translate and, even then, finding good conversations is very difficult. Most of the conversations on FriendFeed are pablum, sorry. For instance, the item underneath this one on my screen reads "Just smashed a finger between a pair of 45 pound plates." OK.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly your definition of 'good conversation' needs revision. If you think that a conversation cannot be 'good' unless it makes you smarter than you have a worldview that's much too small. Yes, that's RAPatton with the smashed finger. If you knew anything about Robert then you might find that post to be significant. You might learn something about Robert and the many, many physical trials he's had to endure in his life.
- Jim Misses SP
Smart is not in what information you get, who you talk to. Smart is in how you use the information you get,
- Brian Sullivan
Let us not pretend that twitter is not full of inanities. It's not format, it's users. If you want conversations, start some.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
+++Brian
- Melanie Reed
Robert, thank you for sharing that information about smashing up one's fingers. Just the meme presenting itself into my conscientiousness so that it may be drawn up in some future potential accident with my hands may indeed help me by association to avoid it! :) It's not all useless.
- Melanie Reed
Jim: I don't want to talk about everything in the world that's happening to everyone. Maybe you want to talk about Tiger Woods and his problems or how someone smashed their fingers, but I don't. I'm looking for something smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Your request appears to be best handled by Google Wave these days since it is easy to lose threads in most other tools.
- Roney Smith
No Robert you are looking for something Techier which coincidentally does not equal smarter.. Different yes, smarter no. You are starting to act like that annoying person who keeps going to parties just to complain about everything. If you don't want to be here don't be here. I'm getting tired of your weekly friendfeed is dead bash on friendfeed thread.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
robert, what someone... (perhaps louis gray?)... could make is a lazy feed for friendfeed-style conversations. what do you think?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Google Wave is 100x more noisy and less useful than FriendFeed ever was.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: no, that isn't true. I read a wide variety of things. For instance, world news: http://twitter.com/scoblem...
- Robert Scoble
If you read that it's more focused and makes you smarter. Here? I don't find I'm getting smarter. I find I'm spending time having fun, maybe, but not getting smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- sometimes I think you are just full of it. Have you ever actually used Google Wave?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: yes. I have hundreds of conversations open in Wave and it totally sucks. If you get value out of it you must either have only a very small group of people you collaborate with (I don't have that luxury) or you must be a better person than I am.
- Robert Scoble
Robert you could not have missed my point more than you did. I'm done though... sorry. I like you but you just do not get it.
- Jim Misses SP
MIT Courseware is a good place to go to get smarter Robert... http://ocw.mit.edu/ --- since when has FF been a place to go to get smarter... twitter sure isn't doing that either is it?
- Chris Heath
Wave is not for conversations it is for collaboration -- so what you are saying is the way you use it it sucks -- maybe because you don't know how to use it?
- Brian Sullivan
Pffft. Not only do most conversations on here or Twitter not make you smarter, some actually cost you money: "Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- WorldofHiglet
Brian: even if you know how to use it it becomes noisy very quickly and you can't easily get back to the value that someone left in a long thread. OK, I guess from your message that you only have five people in your Wave. Then it's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Well, some of the stories on that list will probably help expand one's way of thinking... but Kim Kardashian and bed picnics? Knitting Icelanders? Seems there's a relative amount of fluff on that list as well, from the brief glance I gave it. Expand your brain all you want, Robert, it's an excellent idea. But don't discount the play factor in learning... which appears to be kind of what...
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- Bette Cooper
WorldofHiglet: I just sent my $100 to the Food Bank. Was worth every penny.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, if your looking to get smarter then get off the internet and go read a book. Or stay on the internet and go to websites that provided educational material. I'm so sorry that we don't provide you with the knowledge that you are seeking....
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Bette: there's always fluff. But now I don't need to dig through fluff on top of fluff. :-) Here I'm faced with both the fluff (and, sorry, compare the link above to the world news link and you'll see there's more fluff here) but here I need to deal with the conversation fluff too.
- Robert Scoble
When my brother decides to step in the poo, he certainly splashes it all over.
- Alex Scoble
Jim: whatever. You obviously get value out of this kinds of conversation. I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I love giving people here what they want: a conversation. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: I read books too (even have a Kindle so I can buy most anybook and read it immediately), but they make me smart about something that happened 12 months ago (or longer).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this isn't the kind of conversation that most of us are looking for. We are looking for fun or meaningful conversation. This here, is accomplishing anything more then wasting time.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Ok Robert I feel I need a disclaimer here... I was one of the Scobleites that followed you here, I stayed around though since I found it interesting. But yes you gathered a list on world media, that list though is not you or your conversations.... But look at your twitter feed, your conversations are 90%+ tech.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
So where's the guy who wondered where all the conversations have gone? Look at this one... the fine art of avoiding heavy objects, and how to fling poo in a civilized manner. Now that's a conversation! :D
- Bette Cooper
Is this your monthly Friendfeed slam? If so, thanks, see you in January.
- Kenton
Looking to get smarter, or looking to feel superior? I'm allergic to condescension and this post almost killed me :P
- Lo
Lo: :-)
- Robert Scoble
Lo: the thing is the traffic here has NOT been going up and I'm trying to communicate why. Most people look at FriendFeed and don't see the conversations. Then, if they do find the conversations they see a bunch of noise. FriendFeed is fun for my brother, but not for people like me who are looking for something more specific.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: my output is mostly tech, because that's mostly what I want to talk about, yes. But my inbound is much wider than that.
- Robert Scoble
I think the specificity is really where it is at. FF is many things. Specific ain't it.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Good luck finding what you are looking for on Twitter.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: I already found it on Twitter. It's easy with lists.
- Robert Scoble
So Robert, in order for some of us to actually learn something; What do you, or any of us, gain by you coming here periodically and posting what is wrong with Friendfeed and the community? It seems to me that if you are looking for intelligent conversation you wouldn't just troll for comments, you'd actually start something worthwhile.
- Kenton
Kenton: it's fun. Oh, so you are admitting that some conversations are more fun for you than others? EXACTLY MY POINT!
- Robert Scoble
And I keep coming here, seeing the noise, and it makes me grumpy. Just like I'm making YOU grumpy! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Why does it make you grumpy? Because you see it as noise and others don't?
- Bette Cooper
Bette: yes. I see noise and not much signal. Makes me grumpy. But, worse, it explains why traffic numbers here have gone down.
- Robert Scoble
Kenton: and, as for starting something, I've already done that: my own filtered feed: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- I wish I could do something like this here, but FriendFeed never got to it.
- Robert Scoble
TRAFFIC has not gone down! Traffic has gone up! Us American folks don't make a website! The people of the world make a website!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
The reason it makes me grumpy is that I don't appreciate people who drive by and fling insults and tell us all that we're doing something wrong. The community here on Friendfeed works for the people who want it to work. If you're only doing it so you can have fun, have it at someone else's expense. Oh, here's a list of all the conversations (5 tweets or more) on Twitter. Oh, wait, how do I do that? How about Facebook? Oh, hmmm, can't do that there either.
- Kenton
Mathew: that doesn't match the statements I've seen from traffic sites. Would love to see URLs proving traffic has gone up.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't becoming better a nobler goal than being smarter? Smarter as a goal is solipsistic. Better as a goal encourages well roundedness and non means oriented connections with other people.
- Todd Hoff
Kenton: it takes two people to have a conversation. If you don't like the insults, don't pay attention to them!
- Robert Scoble
hmmm one man's turd is another mans gold... As I said before why do you come here if you don't like it and it makes you grumpy. To me that sounds quite masochistic... How are we to gauge your conversations? Conversation by definition takes two.. So what comes in through your lists can't exactly be said to be conversations you are taking part of. Your feed on the other hand can...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Todd: that's cool, but I'm already listening to 1,300 on Facebook, 16,000 on Twitter, and something like 15,000 here. How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" Me? I'm ready to narrow my focus to people who are actually teaching me something and making my life more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
He likes the site. That's thing. He can't put it down.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Here you go. http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Now I do want to say that traffic does go up and down. But, it is easy to see that Friendfeed is on a upward trend.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Rasmus: I keep getting pulled back here because some of you take my name in vain.
- Robert Scoble
LOL@egotisticalfattie
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Mathew: Alexa is well known to be very inaccurate. Quantcast is the one that most people use as real numbers.
- Robert Scoble
As noted earlier, also seems language is proximate fundamental limiting factor. Really need Ubiquity add-on or some similar magic to do on the fly translation, (think Aunt Rosy Wavebot style). Seems next major limiting factor on expanding knowledge and integration of global cognition grid is language. This is fundamentally doable with today's tools, but nobody seems focused on making it happen in a way that we can all start teaching the GCG how to translate more accurately, understand slang, etc.
- michael silverton
Well, when I goto Quantcast and see "rough estimate" that doesn't work for me. I want to see something that looks solid. But, whatever, I'm done. No one is going to satisfy you with whatever they bring to you.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Jeremy: truth is, I do like the site, but haven't liked it as much lately because everytime I come here I see noise, even on the lists I hand made.
- Robert Scoble
No, you haven't found it on Twitter because it's not possible to have conversations on Twitter. And I doubt it will ever be possible. Twitter is like the modern equivalent of beepers. There's nothing there. Seriously.
- Alex Scoble
Mathew: 20% of traffic comes from Turkey. I could care less about traffic there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Funny thing is I like what you do on twitter, I even follow most of your lists on there, but the persona showing up here seems so very different.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Alex: really? I have conversations all the time on Twitter. I post a URL to my blog and on my blog I have Disqus, which lets me have conversations. Or, we link here, like we do for Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
"How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" - is better defined by information absorbed or actions of quality taken?
- Todd Hoff
I use FriendFeed to start smart conversations - I don't need to find ones to join, but there are those, too. I post them to Twitter, then continue them over here.
- Jesse Stay
You may careless about the traffic there. But those who own and run Friendfeed care about ALLLLLLLLLLL traffic, not just US based traffic.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Alex, Twitter can be the start of the conversation.
- Paul Harvey
Todd: Better is hard to define. Some people think better is having Turkish conversations. I don't.
- Robert Scoble
I call it weeding the wheat from the chaff, Robert. FF is an excellent place for relaxing, for finding stimulating tidbits that lead to other things... and for getting a good laugh after a hard day. Oh... and for taking your name in vain... you make it far too easy. :-p Dude, you get what you give. The way it works. You want good stuff, give it. You want laughs, don't ever change....
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- Bette Cooper
Mathew: the people who own and run FriendFeed don't care about FriendFeed. They run a little site named Facebook. You might have heard of it.
- Robert Scoble
I've had some great conversations with David Recordon, Chris Messina, Dewitt Clinton, Cristo, Otto, Stephen Mack, Atul, Steve Gillmor, and more and I don't have to worry about losing the organization of the conversation over here. There's still nothing better, but it's your responsibility to make those conversations happen. I can't do what I can here over on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
That's bitterness speaking.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
By definition you aren't having conversations on Twitter. I get way more participation here than I ever will on Twitter even though I'm sending the same stuff there. Twitter just sucks. There's no way for you to say that it doesn't. It's popular, but that in no way shape or form makes it a viable alternative to friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
You may think that but I don't. And unless you can show be proof to support your statement then I'm not changing my mind. Because if they didn't care about Friendfeed it all it wouldn't be here.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Jesse: true. That's why I link to the Gillmor Gang over on Twitter (I link here).
- Robert Scoble
Alex: you're just as delusional as me. It's a Scoble trait! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Most normal people would say we're both wrong and they point to Facebook as proof.
- Robert Scoble
It's incredibly hard to talk intelligently in 140 characters, and even harder when the conversation isn't organized.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: when I need more than 140 characters I blog and post a URL. It works. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You know what, I'm hiding this post. I'm done, because all it is doing is angering me and wasting my time.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I have intelligent conversations on Facebook as well - see a few of the conversations (not near as many as here) over at http://facebook.com/stay
- Jesse Stay
Mathew: now you know why I bitch. I come here, see all sorts of noise and it makes me angry so I lash out.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, but your blog doesn't thread underneath the Tweet like my responses do here. If I need anything longer than this, then yes, I blog.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Facebook is definitely becoming more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
If we have to supplement a program to crutch its handicaps, then it is time to stop using the broken program.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy: I tried for 18 months to get everyone to use FriendFeed. I failed and will continue to do so because most people don't want to have conversations with people they don't know. That's the secret sauce on Facebook. You know everyone you talk with (mostly).
- Robert Scoble
http://www.quantcast.com/friendf... stats, mostly US. And from Compete.com: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
- Robert Scoble
Twitter has its place as well - don't get me wrong, and there are many smart people there to learn from, but as far as continuing that conversation, I can have much more intelligent conversation here than I can there. I wish more people used a combination of the two, or at least turned on e-mails so they get responses to their FriendFeed shares.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: email bacn is horrid. I turn off email notification from all social sites.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds to me like you need to prune your feed again Robert so you only get the stuff you like, in the language you like from the countries you like.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
"Better is hard to define" - Better in this context is your personal goals, that is being smarter, not the thread language choices :-)
- Todd Hoff
maybe FF'ers are a bunch of know-it-all type of people.,.... therefore they need not get smarter ;)
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
hey everyone... forget this nonsense... watch the TWiT holiday special with Coulton and Hodgman - http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Chris Heath
Gotta run, gang. Keep up the great work. I'm trying to make this Mozilla Raindrop thing work http://mozillalabs.com/raindro... -- YAARF? (Yet Another Aspiring Relevance Filter) Feedly's doing great, but needs Open Calais rockin' and aforementioned realtime translation. ;-) Onward!
- michael silverton
Jeff: heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, FriendFeed replies aren't bacon - it's the only way I can stay organized.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I would get too many of them to make them at all useful.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, understood, but most people wouldn't, and should keep it enabled. Or find some way to know when people are responding to their posts.
- Jesse Stay
Anyway, I just checked out the link here again that I started this whole conversation out with and, boy, is it exciting! Not. Oh well, see ya again soon for more self loathing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sounds like you need to set up some lists ;-) The guys I named are a good start.
- Jesse Stay
The other thing that doesn't make sense with this conversation is you couldn't even do the search you did on Twitter. What would Twitter return if you could track responses to original Tweets that are greater than 5?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: one of the major reasons I keep coming back here is for the search. Twitter is rebuilding its search from scratch, so it'll be interesting to watch in 2010 (so is Facebook, btw).
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I spent hundreds of hours organizing my lists here on FriendFeed. I find all I need to do is track you because you get involved in almost every interesting tech conversation here.
- Robert Scoble
They'll need to implement threaded conversations for a search like that to work. I'm listening though.
- Jesse Stay
Well thanks Robert - I use it as a tool. I wouldn't be using it if I didn't find it productive, which is why I get involved in interesting conversations. You know all this stuff better than I though so I know I don't need to convince you.
- Jesse Stay
Worried about getting smarter? Read a book. *says the Librarian, in a "the more you know" voice ;)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Archangel: books are nice for knowledge that's 12 months old (or older). It takes that long to publish the damn things.
- Robert Scoble
true. but it's a good in-depth supplement to the quick-hits of 140-character discussions. Plus, political theory - what's currently on the nightstand - isnt exactly on an expiration date (not often at least). ;)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Twitter Trending Topics... Thanks for playing...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
For the record, twitter trending topics are #oneofmyfollowers , #ghettobabynames , #nowplaying , #thoushallnot , Jersey Shore , #p4a , Colts , #DavidArchuletaLive , Xmas , #omgfacts
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, if Jesse's in all the conversations interesting to you, just save this search: https://friendfeed.com/search...
- Bruce Lewis
My eyes sorta glazed over about half way down this thread, sorry... but I just wanted to correct something mentioned above about "traffic" being up. Alexa says "Reach" is up but "Pageviews" are down about 20% since August http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... And that's global stats. US only is a whole 'nother conversation. Whether "traffic" is up or down depends on how you define traffic... and what you're trying to prove.
- Ken Sheppardson
Here's what wolfram|alpha says http://friendfeed.com/ccheath...
- Chris Heath
With each conversation, I learn a bit more about those to whom I am subscribed and I hope they learn a little something about me. I am quite happy with that.
- Michael W. May
There are three major aspects of any social network: Relevancy, Technology and Community. FriendFeed has the best technology, period. The community is also excellent. The difference here is that it has changed from 12 months ago or 24 months ago. When I visit FriendFeed, I am not looking for the deep technical conversations we used to have because the community more accurately reflects...
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- Louis Gray
For Robert, who is a good guy even though at times he can be misunderstood or frustrating, this change in community has decreased the site's relevancy. Couple that with an unclear future, and he is doing what is right for him. I could make some quip about how Robert needs to get smarter more than most of us, but I won't. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis, has the community changed or has just a section left? I see people from 18 months ago and my feed hasn't changed much in that time.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, without invalidating the above, I would suggest that you are part of the "new-ish" community that joined after FriendFeed's initial 6+ months. Yes, many of the people Robert and I consider peers and friends who used to engage in the deeper tech talk here have left, but other great folks like you made the place a whole lot of fun. You just have to see what I like or comment on to...
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- Louis Gray
So it has become a little bit more social media than social media...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Yes Louis we all get that... What we don't get is why he keeps returning just to lay a brown one every two, three weeks. If he doesn't like it here, he doesn't have to say so again and again. He can just mosey along and think back on the good times. Being the "biggest fanboy" does not give you the right to then come back and be annoying after leaving. We all heard him the first time, if not second or third..
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus, I am explaining the behavior, not endorsing it. :)
- Louis Gray
I know Louis :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I don't understand why you think that social networking sites that encourage people to post all the small mundane things in their life is the place to go to find an abundance of intelligent tech discussions. I would think a busy forum whose focus is on tech, inhabited by intelligent people, would be a better place to find what you are looking for. For me that happens to be the forum at...
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- April Russo (app103)
Good recommendation, April - thanks!
- WorldofHiglet
michael silverton (way up this thread ^ ), you mentioned on-the-fly translation tools? - I created them (not in Ubiquity, but Greasemonkey/Greasekit): http://translatorize.com - implemented for Friendfeed, Facebook, Twitter and Identi.ca
- Micah Wittman
Back when Robert was 'getting value' out of FF, he mentioned it (the first implementation was for Friendfeed): http://friendfeed.com/fftrans... .... hey, the Scobleizer blog post link is dead! So by my count: Friendfeed *not* dead, blog post dead (Seriously, I looked in the archives, Robert, but I don't see it? Did some stuff get lost when the site was hacked months back?)
- Micah Wittman
Micah, I linked to it from my "FriendFeed's Fine" post - it's here: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you're checking the wrong one. It's http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Micah Wittman
Oh, you're talking about one of the ones where he said it wasn't dying. A lot of that stuff got deleted when he was hacked, which is probably the case for that one.
- Jesse Stay
*slow-mo-facepalm*
- Micah Wittman
Why not look to exercise your brain at least rather than having to get "smarter"?
- Michelle Matthews
unexpected connections is what make your brain expand, hearing the same stuff from the same people is enervating...
- WarLord
what a noisy dumb post
- james
Oh vey. It is what it is fluid and alive. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
This thread isn't making me any smarter ;)
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
FriendFeed has evolved, just like every other site out there. Perhaps at one time, it was a forum for techies. Now, not so much. You and those techies went somewhere else to fill that info void. Meanwhile, others joined FF for the social interaction. Not understanding why you keep coming back here to stir the pot. It's not for you any more. That's fine. Let it go. There are discussions here; they just aren't topics in which you're interested. I read lots of spirited political discussions. >>>
- rowlikeagirl
As for the bigger picture, I'm seeing FF turn into another aggregation site. Not a criticism, just an observation. ((((returns to watching Turkish animated GIFs)))
- rowlikeagirl
FF for me, is a way to get away from "learning" yet another "thing"...to learn even one thing takes a lifetime...the intellectuals need to lighten up maybe and have a bit of fun? if not, FF is not for them...
- sally stokhamer
Robert , indeed,you shouldn't be in need to look smarter.I ,and many of your followers think you are smart.Here's what you read : @scoblemedia/world-news-brands .Some more can be added to this list.But your time will not be enough.Keep up the good work please...Thank You,and Best Wishes...
- Dedegi
I just ate a mango. The problem of infinitely multiplying narcissistic minutiae in social media. The solution: ultra-smart news filters and recommender systems. (And a big wave to Akiva Moskovitz, my biggest fan on Friendfeed.)
- Sean McBride
News recommender systems: what are the most important remarks made by the most important people on the topics I most care about? Sort them by priority, please. One wishes that Friendfeed had taken an interest in this technology but, alas, no.
- Sean McBride
"I can always make you smile" http://i171.photobucket.com/albums... :)
- Citronella
Public conversations of every conceivable variety should be able to coexist comfortably in social media space, without any conversation impinging on any other conversation. What we need are the software tools to discover, prioritize and manage those conversations that are most interesting to each of us individually. There is really not much point in complaining about conversations that are not interesting -- simply don't pay attention to them.
- Sean McBride
" I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything" ~ http://news.ycombinator.com
- Peter Renshaw
Robert, I have taken it upon myself to help grant you your wish with this hashtag: #HelpRobertScobleGetSmarter
- April Russo (app103)
Happy holidays from the FriendFeed crew! - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
Keiko Yamada, HealingBrush, Pelin Hazar and 292 other people liked this
Thanks to Kevin for another great logo...
- Bret Taylor
YAY! Snowmens!
- Yolanda
Cool logo! :)
- AJ Batac
I think they need scarves. They look cold.
- Yolanda
Great logo! Simple and fun.
- Brandon Titus
great :) çok sevdim bu logoyu :)
- Burak Budak
Cool :D
- Pedram
Kevin - that is an awesome logo!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
A nice tribute to Bill Waterson :)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
+102 for Bill Waterson references in picture Kevin or words Sinterclas
- Steve C
cute but what happened to festivus this year?
- Laura Norvig
Merry Christmas to the FriendFeed team. You guys rock! FriendFeed reacts quickly and you're adding wonderful features all the time (Thanks soooo much for the "edit" feature.)
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Festivus!
- ◄ani625Ξ
Happy festive season to you all as well :)
- Niki Costantini
Happy Holidays!!!
- David Cook
love it~
- Sunny
Love!!!
- BeeLing
Glad you like it! (And glad people picked up on the Waterson influence :-)
- Kevin Fox
Merry Christmas! :D
- Ron
Happy Holidays FF crue -- you've made this an excellent and memorable year for many of us. Facebook couldn't have done it without you! :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
w00t you gave me the best online year in 15 years!!! ;p Thanks a lot, everyone, for what you've done here XD
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Merry Christmas to all
- Craig Eddy
Merry Christmas!
- Svein Håvard Djupvik
Haha! I love horrified snowmen. Merry Christmas to FriendFeed!
- Chris Lasher
Joyeux Noel a tout le monde!
- Mathieu Ayel
Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays!
- Anne Bouey
Feliz navidad a ti!
- JA Castillo
Thanks! Happy Holidarys! Merry Christmas!
- Bill Romanos
happy christmas, chanukah and kwanzaa.
- D. Eda Goze
happy chrismas and a happy new year!!!
- ethan meccage
That's when they loved us :(
- Christopher Harley
Awwwww sniff
- Kevin Fox
Happy holidays! Take good care of yourselves and... enjoy those days off! <o> \o,
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Merry Christmas!
- Ian May
Tks and love you all !!!
- Renchin(Reina)
ahh, the good ol' days.
- MikeAmundsen
Happy Holidays FriendFeers! <superbump />
- AJ Batac
cool!!
- Ferzvladimir
*bump*
- imabonehead
Sigh. Sometimes it is the little touches, like seasonal logos or easter eggs, that mark a site as a living project, and that you really miss when the developers have all moved on to something else.
- Michael R. Bernstein
ای جان چقدر خوبه این
- WALL.E
1 yıl geçmiş üzerinden bretim taylorum vay anasına dimi..
- Taylan GERDAN (Tylolhot)
And you thought FriendFeed was doing bad - check out Google Reader:
Paul Harvey, Mitchell Tsai, practicehacker and 59 other people liked this
Regarding FriendFeed's numbers, be sure to see here: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I forget to use Google Reader. I prefer FF
- Mike Nencetti
Also see: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that because the URL most people use for Google Reader is http://www.google.com/reader ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is right. I always use http://www.google.com/reader. You can also get feeds on http://www.google.com/ig/ Jesse, it's time for you to retire from stats mayhem.
- Louis Gray
Remember, 65.4% of all stats are made up on the spot.
- Ken Sheppardson
i use google.com/reader too
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Web 1.0 is to Web 2.0 as Alexa is to Compete.
- AJ Kohn
There will also be users coming from other countries like us here (google.ca/reader).
- AJ Batac
Louis, I'm simply sharing the same type of stats you did with FriendFeed. Who shall retire first?
- Jesse Stay
Louis shared stats for FriendFeed using the wrong URL?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, http://reader.google.com is how I access Google Reader
- Jesse Stay
See how it redirects to www.google.com/reader?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, my point is Louis's stats mean as much as mine do - there are way more factors that go into this, I agree
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, without demeaning you personally, this is false and ridiculous. FriendFeed is a domain, a specific one, and I chose the primary domain. Google Reader is a subdomain or directory, and you chose the one that, as you show, nobody uses. The Alexa data you showed for FriendFeed illustrated something that nobody is experiencing. This isn't gamesmanship. It's just wrong, again.
- Louis Gray
I have a hard time understanding the fights and points Jesse chooses to get into.....just baffling.
- Matthew DeVries
So let's take this constructively - what's a better way of comparing the two if http://reader.google.com is a bad way?
- Jesse Stay
Neither.... it's apples and oranges.
- Jason Williams
Jason - considering some use FriendFeed as a replacement for Google Reader it's not apples and oranges - they're competition.
- Jesse Stay
Really? Why on earth would anyone use FF over Reader? FF complements Reader but shouldn't supplant it. Is there really a constructive way to read rss feeds here?
- Jason Williams
Jason, many people do that - it always comes out when Scoble is threatening to leave Reader. It's also why your FriendFeed stats now show up with your Feedburner stats.
- Jesse Stay
looks like we gotta get louis to work more hours to get that chart moving in the right direction!
- Allen Stern
Amen Allen (that's the spirit)! I'd love to see more stability and more focus on core functionality, not the social features. More stats, more organizational tools, more sharing tools. Better UI. Less bugs. I would use it more if that were the case.
- Jesse Stay
Give me a better way to manage thousands of items a day and I'll read thousands of items a day. For now I've had to reduce my use due to how bulky and hard-to-manage it all is.
- Jesse Stay
for the record i rarely to never use google reader.
- Allen Stern
when friendfeed shows me full content RSS feeds instead of just title links, let me know. until then, I'll keep using Google Reader. that's the same notion that twitter is a replacement for it. I get it but it doesn't work for me.
- Bill Kinney
Jesse knows that I read more than 1,000 items per day and am connected to more than 1,000 people via shared item feeds. The graph above is not valid. Google Reader is a great complement to FriendFeed, and always has been. It's the vast majority of my feed. Reader is also, very flexibly, able to share to different sites, including Twitter and Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Yes, Bill. Jesse is just grumpy today. :) He knows better than to post data without any substance and try and get a faux argument going. He also is tempting me to post a SocialToo traffic chart and compare it to Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
i think that louis and jesse need a "time out" - both of you to your respective corners for a juice box
- Allen Stern
No way, Allen! Not when there are great injustices in this world! :)
- Louis Gray
louis i just sat through 4 hrs of city council hearings at city hall - not once did google reader or friendfeed come up :)
- Allen Stern
Jesse, the difference is that Readers traffic isn't dependent on who else is also using it. As much as Google would like it to be, it's not a social tool. I can get my FF feed in Reader but not vice versa. Do you really get your "news" from FF? It's the same thing with Twitter. People try to make it a RSS replacement but it isn't no matter how much you want it to be. 140 characters might be ok for links and quick social commentary but in depth news, not so much.
- Jason Williams
Allen, but they did mention a series of tubes, at least in passing I'm sure :)
- Micah Wittman
*thinks of how to talk Jesse down from the ledge...* Jesse, Hi :) At best you are criticizing conventional wisdom web statistics in general and mixing it with a clearly flawed swipe at Reader. ### Now, carefully, come back from the precipice and live to fight another day.
- Micah Wittman
You guys are all proving my point - that this argument is just as crazy a claim as this one is here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - you can't trust stats
- Jesse Stay
I use Feedly, which is off the back of Google Reader
- Ian May
Jesse, nobody has proven your point. The only point that has been made is that you made a mistake and tried to draw a parallel, and you failed.
- Louis Gray
Of course you can trust stats, Jesse. You just have to understand how they were collected, what they mean, and not try to use them to support some completely unrelated hypothesis. I've seen two graphs of US and global FriendFeed visitor stats that support two different statements... that US usage is down and global usage is up, respectively. The graph you've created for reader.google.com is irrelevant and immaterial, for reasons given above.
- Ken Sheppardson
I could be wrong, but a certain someone who pronounced FF as dead cited that new features in GR were going to kill it. Just sayin'. Also just sayin' - I'm with Louis on this one. The combination of Google Reader and Friendfeed have changed the game for me, bigtime.
- jcunwired
Surely not.
- Will Higgins™
I'm probably in the minority but I have replaced Google Reader with FriendFeed. Pretty much for discussions like this one. I'm not sure I find the same value in Reader, I tend to bookmark and re-visit the same sites anyway. FriendFeed brings something to the table that a bookmark just doesn't. Reader, not so much. At least not for me.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
We need a UFC match between Louis Gray and Jesse Stay. The 9-lettered names of mayhem!
- beersage
I'd like to append my last post with, I still scan GR, so the previous comments about using GR and FF together as a powerful combination--in practice, if not in heart--I'm in agreement with.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
See what happens when I stayed in GReader (and some Twitter) all day, I missed a good thread. I read/skim a little over 1,000 posts a day, I'm not sure if I read more than Louis (42,597 items in last 30 days) but it's my information center. Friendfeed use to be my place for discussions around the news, since engagement has dropped here (for me at least), I've moved back to Twitter for a fraction of that engagement (FB for friends/coworkers/family).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I never knew there was a reader.google.com
- Richard Lawler
Almost all of Google's (non-acquired) properties can do both whatever.google.com and google.com/whatever which is very smart actually.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
On the subject, I must thank Louis, Jesse and many others that act as filters on GReader BTW. When I don't have time to go through the bulk, these guys help bring the cream to the top. I try to do my part in filtering for others but I feel that it's a team effort to bring the signal to others as automated filters aren't smart enough (yet).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Funny, I cut back on my usage of both services and the graph goes down. You can blame Scoble now. I don't use Google Reader anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Don't talk about yourself in the third person.
- Mark
I blame Scoble for the drop in the Twitter chart as well then. <smirk>
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My use has gone down significantly and I'm seriously looking for the perfect solution to replace it. Hoping Seesmic or Tweetie or Tweetdeck do that soon. See: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I now know Louis's Kryptonite - criticize Google Reader ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, please don't leave Gmail, because I still need that. Thanks.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse - I agree with your April blog post 100%. I also want to mention that Google Alerts is also a helpful tool for monitoring blog posts. (And without a doubt, most of us use it.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse, kryptonite would weaken someone if it were their personal poison. I am not weakened by your inaccuracies and stubbornness. :)
- Louis Gray
Anyone know what Feedly's numbers are??
- Roberto Bonini
it is still my best organic conversational real time tool...
- Yann Ropars
Feedly is actually down 11% in Nov as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/feedly...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Is this a trend?? The holiday season and all?? What about Feedburner stats?? If RSS usage (i.e for RSS clients) is in decline (unlikely) it would show up there.
- Roberto Bonini
manieles: feedly's content is generated dynamically in the browser so the metrics you are pointing to are just metrics of our blog (most users download feedly from the mozilla (and now chrome) sites. 2009 was a good year for feedly: we grew 1,527% from Dec 08 until Dec 09. http://twitter.com/edwk...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ah, I guess that makes my comment above moot. There goes that theory.
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry Edwin, just like reader.google.com the compete numbers don't show the story of true use.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No problem Mark (it happens a lot). Roberto: Feedly is still relatively a niche service compared to Friendfeed and Google Reader so your theory could be correct. I do not have visibility into the Google Reader usage information but I can say that the underlying infrastructure keeps on getting better and innovating at a very fast pace. They have the foundation for a distributed...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sounds like what I said about FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Friendfeed is down but they are not dead. It all depends on if Facebook will decide to invest and move the service forward or not. If they do not, at some point Twitter and Facebook will have a super set of the friendfeed features and at that point their will be no turn around possible. Friendfeed sold out too early.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Jesse is having an off day. Feedly is doing fantastically. Google Reader continues to have the #1 position in RSS and things are flourishing with their social features. FriendFeed has great technology and a fantastic community, but stalled momentum. Jesse should be in better form in about 5-7 days.
- Louis Gray
Jesse are you sick *again*? I told you to eat more bacon! :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Would be interesting to see a metric that measures total number of posts having comments and likes versus total posts and compare that to the "glory days" of Friendfeed. How much different is the engagement now?
- Steve
Louis is basing his "FriendFeed is down" on faulty stats - that's the point of this thread. FriendFeed's just fine: http://staynalive.com/article... - I agree Reader and RSS are fine. So is FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, you can always use FriendFeed's advanced search to find 100 comments and likes posts.
- Louis Gray
Jesse, discussing this with you is getting boring. That post was wrong and based on data even worse than the public information I used.
- Louis Gray
Nothing on the Internet is dead until the servers are unplugged and the information is not cached elsewhere. There could be 1 unique user on a site and it still could be very useful for that one person.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, that's correct. I covered that when I said I would still find value if I were the last FriendFeeder. What's frustrating about this nonsense of a thread is that Jesse made a mistake with his graph and continues to stand by it.
- Louis Gray
As did Louis (I'm not standing by this graph - I was making a point), and he continues to stand by his (about FriendFeed traffic being down)
- Jesse Stay
Because it is down.
- Louis Gray
Louis, if you think my post is wrong, how about a post proving my points wrong
- Jesse Stay
:-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It is a waste of time. It also does not benefit me or the community to make high visibility of negativity around this site. That's why I posted what I did here previously, also knowing it tends to be written about and spun by other blogs.
- Louis Gray
I don't think Louis believes his graph is wrong - who's the stubborn one? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Congratulates Jesse and his graph for making my best of day on FF. I am not a fan of Google reader. the graph looks accurate to me and the feedback I see of GR.
- Mike Nencetti
Jesse: I am confused. It seems that the point you are trying to make is that graphs are wrong in general and that both friendfeed and RSS are fine. Is that correct?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, correct
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I believe that Compete.com data is not perfect, but it is the best publicly available data that we have. I also believe that the trends it portrays about this specific site are 100% accurate. Your data showing Google Reader at zero is laughable and an embarrassment to your reputation.
- Louis Gray
Mike, this didn't make "best of day". It made "most obtuse of the day". :)
- Louis Gray
Jesse: which metric would you use to determine if friendfeed as a service is up or down?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It is not showing it at 0 - it is showing it at very low.
- Jesse Stay
Google Reader's traffic is hidden within www.google.com's data. Dare I add iGoogle for RSS feeds into that picture as well. However, Friendfeed's traffic is not hidden (for US Traffic) in Compete's numbers.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse relied on Alexa data (which is the ugly stepsister of Compete.com), and he suggested that Bret Taylor's graph showing a higher percentage of international users suggested growth, when, more accurately, it portrayed that US visitors fell away at a dramatic rate.
- Louis Gray
Louis: May be you and Jesse are looking at this from different angle and are both right
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Nah. Edwin, I will always support good data. :) This is bad data.
- Louis Gray
Quantcast shows a similar decline. Every service that is respected shows a decline. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- Louis Gray
Louis, I never denied yours was based on US data. My point was FriendFeed was not down, which you claimed it to be.
- Jesse Stay
May be Friendfeed has a lot more persian users which are less active but nevertheless users. But over all Friendfeed has a lot less momentum and engagement because the early adopters have moved to twitter
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jesse, I continue to claim that global traffic worldwide, including US and non-US traffic is down, period. And even if you were right, turning this into Orkut or Friendster is not a thing to be proud of.
- Louis Gray
Jess: the problem is that down is not as important as momemtum and innovation.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, again, you're showing the wrong state re: Quantcast - click the "all" link and you'll see something more reflective. They're down in the short-term (at least in the US), but not in the long-term.
- Jesse Stay
There' nothing wrong with Alexa from a world view. Just don't mix numbers between Compete, Quantcast and Alexa. Compete clearly shows the US usage has dropped.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis, I never turned this into a comparison of Orkut and Friendster - where is this coming from?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the short term is the start of the long term. You know better than this.
- Louis Gray
I am. Those are sites dominated by non-US visitors, contrasted with Facebook and Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I disagree the short-term is the start of the long term
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: One simpler question for you: do you think that there is a chance for friendfeed to regain momentum and flourish without an engineering team behind it?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely, but I think there will be an engineering team behind it eventually
- Jesse Stay
and there is an engineering team behind it currently, or it would not be able to handle the current traffic.
- Jesse Stay
Hmm. Do you have another example to point us to? Where will the engineering come from eventually?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed is clearly transforming. It may gain momentum for a while until 'other services' catch up. However once a better wheel is made...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely not - there are numbers to prove it - whether it's still FriendFeed or transforms into Facebook, it will still be around, and serving way more than it is now.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook wanted the brainpower and that brainpower is not integrated into other facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower is still keeping FriendFeed running at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Here again. I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower still believes in FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I would listen to Edwin, and Matthew Davies, and almost everyone else in this thread.
- Louis Gray
Facebook is in a hyper competitive space, those brains are working 150% on facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
You can clearly see that the FF team is porting features into FB, they are attempting to have a friend of a friend system similar to FF. IF THEY SUCCEED, FB has become Friendfeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse, Bret is VP of Products at Facebook and working on Connect and the dev community which reaches 100x+ more people than FriendFeed does.
- Louis Gray
Louis I didn't say FriendFeed wouldn't transform into Facebook. I did say it wasn't going away and it would continue growing.
- Jesse Stay
But it is not growing, and that entire argument is dead right there.
- Louis Gray
It is growing, your argument is dead.
- Jesse Stay
I think that you are right that it is going to stay (that is a low hanging fruit) and it might grow in some geographies (like it does in Iran because of the network effect) and because it was ahead of its time in terms of conversation, the erosion will take longer but there is no doubt that with no engineering, it is a dead end.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is not growing but it's hardly dead. Wait, I'm on Louis's side on this...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AOL is investing massively to survive
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is apples and oranges - if Facebook stops growing you can start comparing it to AOL.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, that's fine. I don't think there are sides. There's what's correct, and whatever Jesse is doing.
- Louis Gray
Or whatever Louis is doing - he seems to think he's correct, which he's not (now this is getting repetitive)
- Jesse Stay
Too bad the friendfeed team did not believe in friendfeed the same way Jess believes in Friendfeed!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, the FriendFeed team saw what we all see and sold at the right time for a fantastic opportunity.
- Louis Gray
I will agree to disagree with Louis - that's about the only way I'm backing down on this. I believe passionately in FriendFeed, and I see no reason it's dying.
- Jesse Stay
Edwin look at how much the FriendFeed team uses FriendFeed - they still believe passionately in the service. They believe so as much as I do.
- Jesse Stay
(and I never said it was dying, nor did I say I don't believe in what was built here) Go find me saying that anywhere.
- Louis Gray
Jesse: would you have sold to friendfeed?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I don't get what you are saying Louis - what is your argument?
- Jesse Stay
Start from the top. (And read your DMs). The graph you show here has zero validity and it is in no way relevant to the graph you are discussing from last week, period.
- Louis Gray
All I know is that public statistics lie. Paul B knows the real answer for FF, as does Jeff Huber for GReader stats.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Okay, so your argument is that FriendFeed is declining - isn't that the same as dying?
- Jesse Stay
If you get the flu, do you always die, Jesse?
- Louis Gray
If you lose 20 pounds, is it guaranteed that you will eventually hit zero?
- Louis Gray
Louis, okay, whatever - I see no reason it's declining
- Jesse Stay
Then you are being naive and ignoring all the public data, plus anecdotal data from this site itself.
- Louis Gray
The FF sale is more than a flu, it's a handicap scenario. It makes it harder to see a perfect future.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis: I am not sure that facebook was/is a fantastic opportunity for the friendfeed team. Facebook connect is awesome but this space is still at its infancy and I am not sure that the centralized facebook/twitter model will be the model of the future. Friendfeed had the advantage of understanding search really well and being distributed at its core - great asset!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, not naive at all - I shared the public data publicly on my blog, showing backed evidence the site is still growing. Where's your rebuttal? Do I have to show this again?: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Using your links in your article, Jesse, Quantcast topped out in August and has fallen significantly since. And we already noted that the Alexa data, which is the outlier, shows a small upward trend.
- Louis Gray
Louis, your argument is it's falling short-term. My argument is that it's growing long-term. My data supports that. I'm definitely not naive and frankly I'm beginning to be offended you're calling me that.
- Jesse Stay
OK. Good discussion. I think that Louis and Jess should go get a beer and huge each other. Time to go write some code!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Yes, if you put the calendar back far enough, the trajectory is upward. Of course it is. And Edwin, I can't get Jesse to drink beer.
- Louis Gray
Great, then we agree
- Jesse Stay
I agree that if you go over a 2 year calendar, traffic to FriendFeed has increased.
- Louis Gray
I guess I missed something... I've seen (1) Quantcast and Compete charts of US reach/visitors which says domestic use is down (2) an Alexa chart that says international use is up (3) a comment and accompanying chart from Bret saying "international growth has started to completely dominate since August (4) a pretty significant shift in the FFholic Most Active user list to international users, and (5) lots of anecdotal evidence from English-speaking users saying they've seen reduced (or stable) activity.
- Ken Sheppardson
...is somebody taking exception to any of those observations?
- Ken Sheppardson
Nope. Agreed, Ken.
- Louis Gray
But the entire thread originated with the Google Reader flat line, which was a mistake.
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I think everybody's just trying to ignore that at this point ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just don't get why Jesse's trying to make this you-can't-believe-stats/charts argument. I think there's something in my list of 5 point that Jesse thinks is wrong.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse doesn't believe the Compete or Quantcast data showing a decline.
- Louis Gray
I don't think I ever agreed the above graph was correct - it was put there to show a point
- Jesse Stay
So you believe US usage is up, or not declining, Jesse?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I didn't mean you can't believe them - I mean they can often be deceptive
- Jesse Stay
Which is amusing, because the blue line here is identical to the same blue line I posted last week.
- Louis Gray
My head hurts.
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought I'd post it up against the same deceptive result so we were on the same terms
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Next time use a red line .... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Sigh. I could also show a graph that over the last 120 years, GM sales are way up, and compare that to the sale of unicycles.
- Louis Gray
Just laughed out loud at that one Louis
- Hutch Carpenter
Damn, you mean Unicycles sales are up right now? Tomorrow is free shipping day.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Are you saying Google Reader is like a Unicycle?
- Jesse Stay
Nope.
- Louis Gray
So Google Reader is going to be like GM?
- Jesse Stay
Ah... sorry... a light bulb just went off... showing a chart that shows US traffic is declining is deceptive in that some people who look at it might conclude that's overall activity, when in fact total, world-wide activity is steady or increasing.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's one of Jesse's theories, Ken. (Still doesn't explain the Google Reader non-sequitir)
- Louis Gray
If Google Reader is like a Unicycle, it's like the Honda's U3-X..... a very cool one!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm starting to piece this together... so showing reader.google.com traffic is declining when in fact total Reader traffic is up... ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, correct
- Jesse Stay
reader.google.com is a domain nobody uses. Reader traffic is unknown, but certainly not the flat line displayed here.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I use reader.google.com
- Jesse Stay
I'd agree with that theory. The World growth is outpacing US internet growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I just took a look at the graph at http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Turns out that although international reach is up as shown in your graph, Jesse, Alexa shows a 20% or so decrease in their pageview graph since the peak near August. More users spending less time...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is short-term though, which was another point of mine. Long-term they still have an upward trend. It is still much too early to determine if they are declining yet. Maybe in 6 months you guys can all show me I'm wrong.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook bought FF in Aug, that throws a trendline in completely different direction. It's an inflection point.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, FF took a dip after that, but they recovered and went even higher than before the FF acquisition. I wouldn't call that an inflection point.
- Jesse Stay
Which chart shows traffic higher than before the acquisition (not counting the spike after due to curious people who never heard of FF before they read it)? Are you looking at Alexa's "Reach"?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yes, Mark... Alexa's chart of international reach shows that the % of worldwide internet users who are visiting FriendFeed is up. It's also the 47th most popular site in Turkey, 227th in Italy, and 412th in Pakistan. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mark, correct, which is more accurate because it compares visitors globally, not just US
- Jesse Stay
In fact Alexa says 20.7% users are from the US and 20.6% are from Turkey, and another 20% or so from Italy, Japan, and India combined.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right but the question would be what were those percentages between countries back in August? A shift in demographics needs to be adjusted by online population in those countries.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There's roughly 74M people in Turkey. For every 1% drop in US visits, about 4% would automatically gain for Turkey in the Pie Chart without a single new user in growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't believe they're breaking out the % of users in each country that are visiting FriendFeed, they're talking about what % of FriendFeed users are coming from each country.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is correct.
- Louis Gray
Strongly Disagree. Look at my coupon work site: RedPlum.com 92.2% are from the US. I highly doubt I have that much audience but I'd love for it to be true.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Disagree with what, Mark? That stat means for every 100 people who visit your site, 92 are from the US.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. It's a pie of % of FF visitors are coming from which country. We are on same page.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yeah, sorry... I switched from "reach" to the user breakdown midstream there.
- Ken Sheppardson
So as I was saying, a 1% drop in US visits moves Turkey up 4% when you factor populations and no new additions.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To tie that together with Compete's US view, the US audience dropped 20% in last 90 days so Turkey would naturally rise in the pie chart regardless of new user growth from that country.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Actually digging that information a bit more, only 21.1% of the Turkey population uses the internet so the spread would widen even further.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
wow
- ★ Soner Gönül
Interesting......
- Keith Griffiths
What a ridiculous discussion! It has already been said: the stats are apples and oranges. Let's look at the comparative numbers for internet users who are brain-dead versus those who can type. It would appear graduation from grade school bans internet access.
- Douglas Hopkins
Facebook hurts !
- Desirade
Yeah, don't bother. Senestezi is spamming.
- Ken Sheppardson
It seems there are never any discussions on FriendFeed. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
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Unfortunately, discussions here have gone south... Vocal users have moved to twitter, but there discussions are lost. And then, there's facebook -IFAIC, I try to keep it "private"...
- Panayotis Vryonis
Nope, *plenty* of discussion here. It's when you're not around that you miss it.
- Itachi
There was an article about how FF's quality has gotten better recently. I don't see it either, which brings a tear to my eye. We had some great, deep discussions on topics over here. That was Friendfeed to me, it was deeper engagement.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
And I can't give Scoble all the credit but clearly he was part of that...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Where DID Scoble go?!... things have gotten awful quiet.
- Thom Kennon
He fell in love with Twitter Lists and gave up on FF after Facebook acquired...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
*wonders if he has transformed into chopped liver*
- Morgan Haley
What kind of discussions are you looking for. We've been talking about the best Robin Hood all morning!
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I agree. Little discussion here and every one I generate takes root elsewhere. I occasionally join one here, but conversation on FF has dwindled in everything I see.
- Ken Camp
See here's the problem I see here: There are people that I have rarely, if ever have seen in this thread. Dave Winer is a guy who is famous in the social media world. People often sign up and follow the feeds of Winer, Scoble, and the like and that's all they see. When Scoble leaves and others, they agree with them for saying FriendFeed is dead. However, to the contrary, it's very much...
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- Itachi
I think for some of these people if you aren't a techie, your conversations aren't that important. That's one thing I've noticed that has changed on FF. There is less of some things, but a lot more meaningful interaction among the people who have remained. The people still here are the ones who value a different type of personal interaction. FF is still very active and alive.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
dave - everyone moved to social median
- Allen Stern
I think there's a big difference between "tech" and "social media". People like Scoble often mix this up. There is plenty of "tech" discussion on Friendfeed. And I agree, with Junebug on that respect as well.
- Itachi
Dave, Jesse blogged this http://friendfeed.com/jessest... + http://friendfeed.com/jessest... . DeWitt is back http://friendfeed.com/dewitt... and Glen http://friendfeed.com/dewitt... is going strong. Also, Itachi (mohomed) has a good points.
- Micah Wittman
Maybe we just aren't talking about what you want to see? Your FriendFeed != My FriendFeed :)
- Johnny Worthington
Once again, the color of the speech bubbles are very telling here. Morgan, Micah, Johnny, Allen have blue. People I'm subscribed to. Names I recognize. The rest of you? White. What are you guys subscribed to, exactly?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Bingo, Rah. The less than active tend to be subscribed to only the A-listers of social media who they are familiar with. And who, alas, aren't active on Friendfeed.
- Itachi
the italian section of friendfeed is quite vocal...
- Alb.
The problem is Dave that many of the tech influentials, CEOs, programmers, journalists, etc spend their time elsewhere now. There are conversations but they are dramatically different than what were happening six months ago.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I think Itachi said it best earlier. The influentials and the like were the common glue (or routers so to speak) that joined various circles together. The routers are now gone, so now we are left with disconnected LANs. Each hold their value to that island but there much fewer bridges any more at least for the technical community.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There are still some very interesting conversations that happen here - you just have to be subscribed to the right people. Follow some of the OpenID guys (Micah mentioned a few) - there is still a lot of conversation in that area that goes on here. It's a great conversations medium, much better than Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
I would argue many of the developers and programmers who used Friendfeed are still on here. Just because it's not the hot fad of the season doesn't mean it's dead. Slashdot isn't covered much by the social media kings, yet it's still alive and well.
- Itachi
Entries on my home feed with 3 or more comments: http://friendfeed.com/search.... You're welcome to modify the number to come up with your own definition of "discussion"
- Benjamin Golub
my FF has slowed down recently - people I used to have regular discussions with are either not as active, or not at the same time I am... as a result I use it less, and it probably trickles like that
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I think those people who formed a unique community on FriendFeed are noticing less of a change because their community is staying here. Those whose community exists outside of FriendFeed and merely uses FriendFeed as one channel of communication may find more volatility because it's easy to shift to the latest thing. Dave, as someone deep in the tech industry filled with early adopters (and early abandoners) your FriendFeed may be more adversely affected than others like myself.
- Kevin Fox
Dave subscribes to only 122 people -- maybe he needs to broaden his horizons?
- Brian Sullivan
My feed has never been busier, and I'm getting new subs every day. Of course, I'm not very techy so if you are, our paths might not cross.
- Derrick
Building on Benjamin Golub's search: here's the same thing, but for friends of Dave Winer: http://friendfeed.com/search... Looks like a bunch of discussions, several in the last couple of hours.
- Mark Trapp
I think everyone nailed it on this one... FF is no longer the holy land of social media zealot discussion, but has retained a very real connectivity to it surrounding non-tech and some-what tech individuals. IMO, Scoble and the like are not the celebs of current FF, but true wonderful characters like Derrick are becoming them in their absence. If left alone long enough this place could really be cool.
- SAM
Not all discussions are in the main feed either. There's a ton of active groups.
- Rodfather
Kevin should win an award or something for clarity of thought. And to throw in my two cents behind many of the others here, my feed is nuts. I often have to rely on a subset list along with RSS notices just to keep up. Also, unlike the last few months, I'm starting to see a lot of new subs recently. My guess is that FriendFeed is not dead; it was just tired after a long squawk. Seems to be perking up quite nicely now.
- Akiva Moskovitz
+1 Rodfather. Group discussions don't show up in the main feed unless someone cross-posts to their personal feed. Also, techy discussion is fairly limited these days, for the reasons previously mentioned. Mostly it's discussion about our personal lives, work or some article that may be about tech gadgets, but isn't really a technical discussion.
- Jason Huebel
Oh, and for one, I would like to see more tech-oriented discussions here. Sure, I'm all about the hyper-hangout that FriendFeed has become but I also miss the hardcore geek-outs that used to occur here. And I just seriously can't get my head around people having the same quality discussions about tech on Twitter that we used to have here.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah, it's not possible to have a discussion on Twitter. I've posted some tech-oriented things recently and I'm beginning to move more toward geeky stuff in general, but a lot of my geekier discussions are in groups that don't make it into the main feed.
- Jason Huebel
I actually think the conversation streams and peeps have diversified from more hardcore tech to more cultural, art, cooking! not a bad thing. just a different tone and nature of the conversations. i still like that quote from a FF denizen who said "Facebook is where i hang out with people i already know. FriendFeed is where I hang out with people I'm getting to know." Speaking of FB -...
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- Thom Kennon
Dave, let's back up here... Looking at your feed, 99% of your posts are just imports from other services (mainly Twitter). Then you hop over to FriendFeed and say "why doesn't anyone discuss anything anymore?" It's because you aren't participating here. Gotta give something to get something. Commenting on your own Disqus imports isn't participation, either. I think the fact of the matter is that people don't feel an obligation to feed the geekeratti egos now that they've all but abandoned the service.
- Jason Huebel
The last reply you made to a post that wasn't your own was back on December 1st (http://friendfeed.com/chrisme...). Two weeks ago! And you haven't even replied to this post, which you made 3 hours ago.
- Jason Huebel
I also appreciate the fact that a large majority of users are having discussions in languages OTHER than English.
- Johnny Worthington
It's an elegant social network for a more civilized age.
- Goran Zec
Johnny, why?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Because it counters the thinking (or lack of thinking) of a few social media experts that places like FriendFeed and Twitter and other social networks only exists in western, English speaking countries...
- Johnny Worthington
Not everyone has an iPhone, not everyone can watch Hulu, not everyone can play Foursquare, not everyone has unlimited (uncapped) bandwidth, not everyone wants to know the news the second it happens, not everyone cares who someone reads and not everyone wants to talk tech 24/7. I like it outside the bubble :)
- Johnny Worthington
Maybe I do need to follow more people, but with the same number of followers there used to always be something interesting in FF to read about and comment on.
- Dave Winer
I also love the non-English. gives the place both a global feel - and reality. I have peeps, clients, etc. around the world and FriendFeed is our agreed great leveler.
- Thom Kennon
People you used to follow here have moved on to Twitter. Not many techies around these days. This leaves the rest, regular guys talking about regular stuff. But maybe this kind of discussions don't interest you.
- Jordi Soler
It's like a garden, if you don't tend to the garden bed, weeds will grow. If you don't prune your roses, you just have dead twigs.
- Johnny Worthington
@Thom and Johnny, I participate in the non-English posts fairly often. It's easier with FF Translate, even though I can only reply in English (and hope they can read it). Hey Micah, any chance you can make a translate thingamajig that goes the opposite direction? Translate my English to the language of the post?
- Jason Huebel
Jordi there are still a lot of Techies - follow Dewitt Clinton, myself, Chris Messina, Dave Recordon even some times participates. Then there's Paul, Bret, Benjamin, Kevin, etc. of the FF Team. Cristo's a techie. I could go on and on...
- Jesse Stay
In fact I probably participate with more techies than non on here.
- Jesse Stay
There are a ton of conversations here and some are tons more interesting than others. This one is interesting. The question is though if you are not having a conversation here - where are you hanging out lately?
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Dave, I've been following you since at least 1995, and long before Friendfeed and Twitter. It was because of you that I heard about and joined Friendfeed and I regret the fact that it's lost its momentum since being absorbed into Facebook. There is still no substitute for what FF used to be. But the circus has left town now and there is no way of bringing it back. FF will continue and...
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- Tim Ostler
@Jesse: Perhaps I don't follow the right people then. Anyway, it was not a complaint, it was just a theory of what has happened to Friendfeed recently. More international content (myself) and more "social" posts. Which does not mean that there aren't any techies left. I'll follow your recommendations, thanks!
- Jordi Soler
I blame Facebook for all problems related to any lack of participation over here (j/k)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Although "blame" is a harsh word, the Facebook acquisition was a significant turning point. Whether that's a downturn or not is debatable, but that's when most of the tech-elite skipped town. I admit to feeling down-in-the-mouth occasionally because I miss the technical involvement of the FF devs. But there is still a lot of good discussion here. It's just not as technical in nature.
- Jason Huebel
Discussions are not missing. They're just harder to find.
- Louis Gray
Jason, it's worth a good hard think and discussion. Posting translated text is a thornier issue (thinking form the POV of the tool maker). It commits to record an imperfect source, with any successive translations further degrading the signal (copy of a copy). Maybe I'm overly concerned about it, but like I said - needs more discussion. Thanks for getting the ball rolling :)
- Micah Wittman
@kr8tr tried to hold a 30 min real-time Q&A yesterday via Twitter on "What's it like to be Scoble's boss". I bailed because little way to follow. Twitter search on "@kr8tr" kind of worked but you had to keep refreshing. Google search a little better. But it would have been ideal had he announced it on Twitter (where everybody is) and then pointed to Friendfeed for the Q&A. Not sure there's a better platform for that kind of rt discussion.
- Nick in Manila
Another prob with Twitter in above context is everyone is using different Twitter apps that regurgitate the firehose at different rates so some people see comments much later that others. On Friendfeed, the sequence is at least consistent across participants.
- Nick in Manila
Dave, you might need to broaden your interests.
- zeroinfluencer
Nick: I agree. One little datapoint, though. Since Facebook bought FriendFeed I've gained 14,000 followers on Twitter. That is more followers than all but five people on FriendFeed have. The reason Twitter is popular is, well, it's popular. I'm sad that FriendFeed lost out, but it did. Oh, and Facebook has similar threading to FriendFeed only you have to refresh the page to see new...
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- Robert Scoble
Robert, with the 14,000 new followers, is that a spike or did it follow natural upward trends?
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: it's definitely going up faster lately due to new list feature.
- Robert Scoble
So do we assume conversations are "dying"? (Hate the word, every once in a while something "dies" in the internet...)
- Jordi Soler
It would also be helpful to evaluate the level of conversation that was here and has now left. Quantity != Quality
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
For each of us it depends who we are following and who is following us, and whether people with interests in discussing certain things overlap in time sufficiently with you to get a conversation going - I guess I need to change my follow profile
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
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- ★ Soner Gönül
There's 59 comments and 32 likes on this thread. What are you looking for exactly? That said, I tend to read only the 1st and last comment in these long threads.
- Vincent van Wylick
Vincent you got me there. Of course I knew there would be 33 likes and a zillion comments on this when I posted it. I am such an unreasonable person and you could see that! Your mother must be so proud of her little Vincent. :-)
- Dave Winer
thats why i am out of here and spending my time in boredom ,reading or sleeping
- ffcode
Vincent, the reason there is so much activity on this thread is because the topic is Friendfeed, specifically lack of activity on Friendfeed. People will flock to a topic if they can prove it wrong.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
@Jason, that's a kind of cynical view, don't you think? This is a topic that's of common interest to everyone on FF. Most other posts are only interesting to smaller groups of people. That's not a bad thing. I think there is just a wider array of topics to talk about on FF now that tech evangelists have moved on. So the activity is spread out.
- Jason Huebel
And again, looking at your feed activity, you spend very little time interacting with others on FF. Most of your activity is importing from Facebook. So your experience isn't going to be as good as someone who actually shows interest in the posts of others here.
- Jason Huebel
I wasn't saying there aren't conversations to be found but I'm talking about his experience. He wasn't seeing any interactions on his posts until he posted about FF. Make your own conclusions.
- Jason Williams
Which is why I said "again". Dave Winer's interaction with other people's posts is minimal as well. He comments on his own posts all the time. But you'll never start a conversation if you only talk to yourself.
- Jason Huebel
Dave has obviously not visited the Life Scientists room :)
- Deepak Singh
it's a hard sell when you can't engage with your own content, for sure. I'm trying to be better at adding commentary as to why I thought it important enough to (re)post what I (re)post rather than leave it to a bunch of bots to aggregate/shovel it out.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
But he did start a conversation, it's just that it was about Friendfeed so others joined in. Go look at best of day at any time and you'll find multiple items about Friendfeed. It doesn't bode well for a service if the most popular activity on that service is about said service. If you looked at Twitter and saw half of the trending topics looking like (Twitter fail, twitter is dead,...
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- Jason Williams
Jason, I don't comment on my own posts. That's the second time you said it, and you're wrong. I hooked up my Disqus feed to FF so you're seeing my comments there echoed here. Stop being such a wiseass, you're not half as smart as you think you are.
- Dave Winer
Ah, nice. Name calling and insults. But you've just proven my point. The "comments" are also coming from somewhere else. You expect to have people interact with you but you invest very little time in FF yourself. If you put even a small percentage of effort into FF that you do other services, you might actually see results. It's no longer good enough to import one's feeds into FF and expect people to pay attention. That ended when many of the tech elite left the service back in August.
- Jason Huebel
The truth is, the people left here on FF are mostly "little fish" when it comes to tech. So one really can't expect to get 1000 likes and 2000 comments on a post anymore. None of us have a "fan base" that can support that.
- Jason Huebel
I don't expect anything -- I asked a question.
- Dave Winer
I think Friendfeed is evolving into something quite different of what some people predicted a while back. But it's not dying, no way.
- Jordi Soler
Except when I'm addressing the issues I've pointed out with your feed, when I say "you", I'm using that as people in general. I can change all the you's to "one", if that will clarify. (Done.)
- Jason Huebel
Jordi, what is your definition of dying? Is it different than people leaving en mass (with the exception of non-english speaking countries) and the talent behind the service bought up by a mega-site all the while people arguing weather the service is viable/dying?
- Jason Williams
Good point. Dying as in "Geocities dying". But I see people talking about many things everyday. Just not the same topics there used to be.
- Jordi Soler
OK wait, Dave. First you claim that there are no discussions on FF. Then you say you don't comment on your own posts. The way I was brought up was that a discussion is when you say something, then other people respond, then you respond back, and so on. FF, like most anything else in life, is what you make it. If you don't interact with people here, then you have little basis for complaining (sorry, _observing_) that there are never any discussions here.
- vicster is...
vicster++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I don't understand why people think the convo on friendfeed has gone down hill. It is the same if not better then it was before. If you don't like the discussions from the people you are following then find some new people to follow.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
i dunno about other people, but my FF is jumping so fast lately that i can barely keep up...and now it's mostly things i DO want to read about.
- Joe Silence
vicster+++ I just skimmed, but this dude sounds like he hasn't been skiing for three years and says "how come no one ever skies anymore?" If you came to the FF mountain once in a while, you'd see my crazy ass every freaking day. I use FF more now than I ever have, more than I ever dreamed I'd enjoy. Now maybe you think the mountain has been taken over by hooligans, and that may be a fair point, but the caliber and content of my discussions do not make them non-discussions.
- Lo
My conclusion, based on this thread, is that there is indeed some discussing going on on FF. Mostly of the "Neener neener" variety. :-)
- Dave Winer
You can't base your conclusion on one thread of conversation with a topic like this. Why don't go and look for other people to follow and you'll see some activity.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Well, sure. You called us out. So there's going to be a bit of that. But in all honesty, there's a lot of good people here with a lot to talk about. You just have to seek it out.
- Jason Huebel
@Dave: "Neener neener" is the response your comments require lately.
- Joe Silence
Of course you don't see any conversations taking place...you aren't even subscribed to me.
- Alex Scoble
+1 Alex, the Scoble of FF.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
When I said "Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?" I was (in case it wasn't totally obvious) looking for suggestions not lectures. I'm now following Alex Scoble. I check FF many times each day.
- Dave Winer
Woo! I finally hit the big time! Seriously, though...thanks for the subscription, Dave. Much appreciated.
- Alex Scoble
Dave, what type of topics are you most interested in?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
If the FriendFeed community were not so oversensitive, one of the 100 comments above would have answered Dave's question by pointing him to the advanced search form, specifically the "at least _ comments" field and the saved search feature. Then he could quickly find discussions on his favorite topics every visit.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce: That was the 23rd comment, from Benjamin Golub. How more/less oversensitive does that make us? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Good point, Ken. I searched for "advanced", "comments" and one other term, but didn't find that one. It makes the community 34.7% less oversensitive.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Sweet.
- Ken Sheppardson
Friendfeed and Twitter lack the depth and breadth of Facebook, no matter which way you slice it. Gather the best minds of our generation, in many fields and areas, on Facebook, and you will not have to complain. Friendfeed and Twitter are, however, useful as secondary feeds into Facebook.
- david beckwith
FriendFeed still saves my stuff, unlike Facebook where my posts are lost in the ether, but I do miss the more active FriendFeed of times past. I think once "best of" became a standard feature, FriendFeed shifted to more family, personal life, etc... discussions rather than "tech" stuff (for better or for worse). Even for techies, new/lost jobs, new/old romances, etc... generated more feedback & discussion than most tech topics.
- Mitchell Tsai
Robert Scoble didn't make FriendFeed. FriendFeed was already here. People were using it. Scoble showed up and brought thousands of his minions. They clogged up the feed for a few months. Some of them weren't total Scobleites and stuck around. The rest bounced when he did.
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To hear people talk about FriendFeed's high point being related to Scoble really bothers me. I think R. Scoble is a cool dude, but he isn't and wasn't the God of FriendFeed by any useful measure in my book.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Plus, I think I've had more meaningful discussion and engagement from his brother here. :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Totally agree.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I also think it's important to note that I don't think Scoble ever claimed to 'make' FriendFeed himself. That idea was placed on him by others that did not understand his evangalism. I like Robert, don't always agree with him, but I like him and what he did for FriendFeed :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
But, ever since he pretty much declared Friendfeed dead he has been saying that since he "left" friendfeed has gone down hill.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Mathew, people left before Scoble made that statement. It was at least a month inbetween the sale and that post.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Thanks Rah! I do understand Scoble's (apparent) complaint, though: the alpha-geeks and uber-nerds (and people that orbit around them) that **he** follows -- because he's a tech blogger/media person and that's how he makes a living -- aren't participating here as much, nor are the founders, who also happen to be part of that alpha-geek set, participating here as much as they once did, if at all.
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Johnny I realize that, but I'm trying to say that the way he acts makes it seem like he thinks he put the nail in the non-existent coffin of Friendfeed.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Mathew, I am willing to give Robert the benefit of the doubt on this one. 140 characters is a difficult medium to explain oneself. He calls it as he sees it, he may not be seeing much past his own nose, but he makes statements and reacts to the reaction.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
i dont know why he just doesnt make a discussion board for himself and getting all his fans join that.. solve his problem then...
- Terry O'Fee
Wait. You mean Scoble didn't invent Friendfeed? Doesn't the fact that he invented the Internet mean, by extension, that Friendfeed exists because of him? :)
- Curtiss Grymala
Agreed Johnny. I'm not really blaming Scoble, it's comments from others that get on my nerves. I should have clarified that initially. I can't say that he's ever called himself the master of FriendFeed or anything....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I guess for me it is just his actions as they appear through the tubes.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
...haha! no, silly, he didn't invent Friendfeed, but as with many things, some people have a great talent for popularizing stuff and launching trends. In the Silicon Valley tech world, Scoble has a huge audience and some level of influence, and he certainly brought a lot more attention to Friendfeed than it was generating on its own. I guess the question is: can he take away just as much attention by pronouncing its last rites? Rahsheen doesn't seem to think so.
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Not wanting to be a Scoble lover but I have come to realise that Robert isn't a normal user. His job and personality drive him to be where the biggest audience is. He promotes his sponsors and discovers small things and tries to promote them. He has to be cut throat because he is pitching to a cut throat audience of early adopters and techies. The key is not to take it personally, because it's not about users, it's about new, popular and promotions.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
With Scoble gone, I think FF is back where it was before he came. For many users who have stuck around, nothing has changed. For some, they're feed is less cluttered from Scoble's huge following. No, he can't kill FF by pronouncing it dead. Let's say I frequent a bar and some celeb brings his entourage. The bar will probably make a lot of money that night, possibly get some publicity or something, but when he leaves...it's business as usual. Doesn't really matter if he liked the drinks or not.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Johnny W... well-said. For me, it just makes me realize how strange the world of "technology media" really is. On the one hand, Scoble is a sort of journalist, and if that's true then it would be reasonable to expect complete objectivity on his part: when he says something perhaps it should be fact-based and not an opinion. But on the other hand he, and the Techcrunches, ad infinitums...
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I agree. I like Robert Scoble, and I actually find his comments here and on other sites to be far less self-absorbed than some others I could name (but won't.) I didn't come here because of Robert Scoble or any other individual, so I won't be leaving on that basis either.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Rahsheen... I like the bar/celebrity analogy. Also, similar to Mark DBJ, I actually enjoy Scoble's contributions to the techmediascape, and I have no problem with him speaking his mind, but his participation (or not) never affected what I'm doing here, what I will do here, or even how I found FF in the first place.
- .LAG liked that
To be fair, Robert was following people away from FriendFeed, not leading them.
- Bruce Lewis
Exactly, .LAG! I like to see him around and usually read/listen to what he says, but I'm not one of his sheep. He has quite a few of those and I wonder how he feels about that :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I think Robert's ego often gets in the way of any value he provides. I know he's usually creating controversy to link bait, but his vanity tries my patience more often than not.
- Mark Davidson
:-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
LOL, Using vitriol for a good cause ==> http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Eric Logan
<- Not a 'Scobleite', unless it's an AlexScobleite, he's an ok guy.
- Will Higgins™
Robert is so "mignon" ;-))))
- Desirade
Bruce is the most right on this thread. Since Facebook bought FriendFeed I've gotten 14,000 new followers on Twitter. That alone would put me at #6 on FriendFeed's user list, which is a great demonstration of why I'm investing a lot more of my time on Twitter now. FriendFeed is fun for a small group of people and that's OK. But I am spending my time where the geeks are and that's mostly on Twitter or Facebook (which I'm ramping up time on too).
- Robert Scoble
Many of those who have been paying attention do share one observation about why people have migrated to Twitter: it's so we can post links to drive traffic back to our own sites or employer's sites. This, I continue to advance, is because neither FF or FB or anyone else has yet got it through their thick skulls that WE ARE THE CONTENT ... or, if they do understand that basic fact,...
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- michael silverton
michael: good point! The real problem here is that conversations that are interesting to each of us are buried amongst conversations that really aren't.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly, your usage of social media is going to vary significantly if you're not actually trying to sell anything.
- Victor Ganata
Good point, Victor. Many people just want to chat, have fun, maybe meet someone or learn something new. Yet, even in those cases, I'm of the mind that we're all selling something: our thoughts, our perspectives, our ideas, our sincerity. However, one need not share this perspective to see that you and I and Rah and everyone here create the value of sites like FB and FF. It's the...
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- michael silverton
Robert: as so often, you nail it. Mozilla Raindrop? :-)
- michael silverton
*shrug* I also don't expect to make money off of everything I do. (If I did, I certainly wouldn't be in the field I'm in.)
- Victor Ganata
Saturday was a great day, my brother Alex got married. Here's my favorite photos from the day (these are my photos, the pro photos are still to come).
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I didn't get many of the ceremony, unfortunately, because I was part of the wedding party so will need to rely on the pro ones. But I did get some nice video including some video of my brother's first dance that I'm not sure he'd be happy if I posted on the Internet (although he did fine, you could tell he was concentrating on not stepping on Cassie's toes).
- Robert Scoble
Have the live broadcast was great, even though it went over -capacity. Luckily those who were viewing it kept everyone in the loop :)
- WorldofHiglet
And the screenshots posted helped us all to join in the ceremony
- WorldofHiglet
From the top: 1. Alex picks up his Tux on Friday. 2. Alex and Cassie at rehearsal dinner saying thanks. 3. my brother Ben fooling around with me. 4. Milan and Hannah Scoble check out the fishtank at breakfast before wedding. 5. My dad standing around while pictures are taken. 6. Milan Scoble, 2-years-old, unsure of what to do now that he's in a tux. 7. Alex and Cassie get pictures...
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- Robert Scoble
Yeah, thanks for joining in. I didn't even realize there was a live feed until after the wedding when I snuck a look at my iPhone and saw people talking about it.
- Robert Scoble
Congratulations, Alex!
- Christopher A Carr
Photos from the webcam of the actual ceremony: http://friendfeed.com/joeybea... (you can see me second on right).
- Robert Scoble
I think we survived the weekend with only two arguments, too, which for a Scoble family get together is pretty damn low. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Love seeing you use Friendfeed like this Robert - thanks for sharing.
- Jesse Stay
Great photos Robert!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jesse: well, I told Alex he had at least 30 friends still left on FriendFeed so I figured I owed it to them. Just kidding! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thank you for sharing these photos!
- aden
ditto
- VAL D. Zone
Those are some great shots!
- sofarsoShawn
watched the service live ... congrats
- johnpiercy
Great to see these pics. Thanks.
- Anne Bouey
Very happy for Alex! Long live the newly weds!
- Jorge Escobar
You should totally post the video of our first dance, Robert. :)
- Alex Scoble
Congrats Alex !
- ★ Soner Gönül
Congratulations, Alex! Omedetou!
- Rick Cogley
Congrats Alex :) :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Congratulation :)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Nice !
- Harold
Do guys ever like "regular" girls? Or do they always have to be tarted and slutted out to hell? I like looking at nice guys, but they can be in sweater vests and bowties, not waxed, shiny, and in speedos.
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LOL!
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
The way I hear it, a lot of guys do. The way it has worked out in my life, not many guys do.
- Spidra Webster
I like "regular" girls...but then again, not everybody has the same definition for "regular"
- Beau Liening
I married a regular girl.
- Alex Scoble
I like.
- Michael W. May
I'm very much turned off by "slutted out to hell." For that matter, I really don't like high heels, much less fake breasts...ick.
- Christopher A Carr
If she isn't dressed like a Rockette I'm not interested!
- Joe Pierce
I don't do tarted and slutted in the real world (my 365 pictures don't count)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I do I do
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
To quote Eek-A-Mouse... I like dem all. But there has to be a hook, you know? Not necessarily physical either.
- Adrian
It also depends on whether we're talking "like" as in "got a chance with X" or "like" as in "X is hot"
- Adrian
I like regular girls
- Mo Kargas
I do. Maybe I'm jaded from growing up in SoCal. I've always been around those "Hawt Chicks" who, well, *yawn* THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME. Give me character or unconventional beauty any day!
- Anna Haro
i was attracted to (and still am attracted to) a "normal" girl. she dresses like a guy most of the time (occasionally will wear a 3/4 length skirt or dress) and i think i've seen my wife in full makeup TWICE in 13+ years since we first met. sometimes she wears lipstick if there's a party, otherwise the overwhelming majority of the time she's got nothing on her face. i don't think she's...
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- Joe Silence
i have always found 'regular' girls in 'everyday attire to be attractive. Anyway, the looks don't necessarily match personality or sexual prowess
- Ian May
I like regular girls. I may lust after the hotties, but give me a nerdy girl any day. I married a nerd. (Don't tell her I admitted it, but her IQ is slightly higher than mine. Mine is 164.)
- Jason Huebel
@Jason: the nerdy girls ARE the hotties! (i married a mathematician.)
- Joe Silence
I married a librarian.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
from Android
I find emotional warmth attractive, above all. I have to admit, I like a gal who is down-to-earth but, when necessary, can really turn herself out (I have a glam side, too).
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Tina Fey?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I think Tina Fey is adorable.
- Derrick
Jeremy gets extra bonus points for marrying a librarian.
- cecily
hoho, I like how Anna blames it on SoCal. =)
- Andrew C
That's my experience, Andrew. :-) I grew up in an area where all the girls wanted/tried to look like Pamela Anderson. NO THANKS.
- Anna Haro
I married a librarian, endogamy FTW! Sneak-up hot is so much more fun than self-regarding know-i'm-hot.
- Pete
FWIW, I know a lot of librarians that are tarted and slutted all to hell. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) Just sayin' that "librarian" does not necessary equal "regular girl."
- Sarah G.
Indeed not, Sarah, though in my experience the two sets are pretty close. Then again, I haven't been to an AALL conference...
- Pete
And this ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is why I love Derrick so.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
I'd much rather a woman think like a porn star than look like a porn star. I'd much rather see the attractive "regular" women I see naked, but most of them won't let me see them naked, so I make due with the women who will. If that makes sense.
- josh neff, geek at large
I like 'normal' women, but my definition of 'normal' is other peoples' 'weird', or maybe just 'different'. And DERRICK! Don't say you don't like the tarts, I can't count how many times I've seen some oiled-up superhunk* scroll down c/o your feed. You know I aint lyin! *Other then Derricks self portraits.
- Will Higgins™
I'm a jeans, t-shirt, no make-up & ponytail kinda girl, and I'm married, so that means at least one guy does ;o)
- Mellissa
slutted, definitely, tarted optional.
- sofarsoShawn
I wouldn't use "regular" to describe myself, but I definitely don't tart or slut more than 1x per 5 years. There are guys who are into that, but in my experience it's a minority of guys. That works, really, because it seems like the majority of women wear makeup, etc.
- Lo
I think most men have a knee-jerk (and I'm using the word "knee" here *very* loosely) response to "tarted up" women, where we are reacting to the symbols and signifiers of "sexy." rather than to the person herself (hence "sex object" and all that). When it comes to "regular" girls, tastes diverge a bit, but I think all but the most deluded and juvenile men also find a certain large segment of the "regular" female population attractive, too.
- s t e v e
Also, Derrick, lemme remind you of some of your previous posts here: the women on FF who get comments on their photos ranging from appreciative to Neanderthal are almost never looking phony, dressed to kill, etc. They are just looking pretty or confident or vulnerable or kind or some other "normal" thing that men respond to (appropriately or not).
- s t e v e
Great Feed. I think regular girls are the best..
- ★ Soner Gönül
Also, D., I too would rather appreciate Josh in his vest and bow tie than oiled up in a Speedo.
- s t e v e
Steve, I think that's a universal feeling. Nobody wants to see me in a Speedo, oiled or otherwise.
- josh neff, geek at large
Hmm. 'Librarians of South Beach; sign, signifier, signiFIED! A post-structural dis-course on sexuality and attraction'
- Pete
Josh, you in a speedo would not be as scary and some speedos I've seen.
- DJF
I love Tina Fey, but when she plays me in the movie of my life, I am going to tell her to gain 30 lbs.
- laura x
did somebody say Speedos?!?!
- sofarsoShawn
The best looking girls wake up looking that way.
- Brad Greer
laura: In Tina Fey's defense, it's possible that she doesn't really have a choice. My wife (yes, a librarian; yes, smarter than I am; yes, doesn't own high heels) is 5'10" or 5'11" and weighs 115lb--because that's how her metabolism works. [Addendum: I don't follow celebrity news much OR read the NYTimes, so didn't realize that Fey admitted losing 30lbs deliberately--see laura x below.]
- Walt Crawford
What Brad said! Some of the best looking women I have seen have little to no make-up or other enhancements. Keep it simple stupid... ;)
- JA Castillo
Walt, she's said publicly that she lost 30lbs in order to get on TV: http://www.nytimes.com/2001....
- laura x
OK, then I withdraw my comment. That's unfortunate. (Not that overly-thin women don't get grumbled at a lot as well...)
- Walt Crawford
I like all kinds of girls - but I'll look faster at the tarty ones.
- Ciaoenrico
I try to avoid grumbling about size in general. I just want everyone to be able to eat well.
- laura x
D. <333333333333333333333
- Ayşe E.
Hell NO, all girl's grody!!!
- sofarsoShawn
:) @ laura x
- VAL D. Zone
*rubs cooties on Shawn*
- Ayşe E.
like regular.........
- VAL D. Zone
A woman who looks like a stripper is probably going to catch my eye, but that's about it and only temporary. We had a party once where we had strippers. I got to film them "backstage" and just kinda hang out with a bunch of naked women. It was pretty awesome, but as we got to talking, I started to forget to stare at their junk.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I personally prefer regular girls. Yeah sure a lot of slutty girls look good, but at the end of the day I find myself looking more at a regular girl with some nice curves.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I don't know any regular girls. All the women I know are amazing in a lot of different ways.
- DJF
i thought you guys all liked regular girls who "tarted up" for you at home? or if you know that librarian is "tarted up" underneath...?
- Lisa
Oooo, a tarted up librarian? I'm all for that!
- Jason Huebel
I don't know if I like this anti-tarty vein. And whoever was commenting on women's photos on FF and the response they got, um, you're wrong. The "myspace photo" is alive and well on FF. You got it with "vulnerable" doe eyes through teh eyebrows cleavage shots. lol. Do you think the anti-tart sentiment isn't about high maintenance women, but more about a fear of women's sexuality?
- anna sauce
To clarify- men feel safe when women hide their sexiness underneath a cardigan and horned-rim glasses?
- anna sauce
I really doubt it, anna. Men feel safe when women hide their intelligence behind pancake makeup and fuck me pumps is more like it.
- Spidra Webster
Other men, maybe. Smart, strong women are a serious turn-on for me. I like a woman who can stand her ground.
- Jason Huebel
Of course there are exceptions. And probably more here on FF than other places. But as a generalization? yeah.
- Spidra Webster
I wonder if you take a hot woman, who is a librarian, and shows off her curves. Would you guys not be interested because... she has a healthy sense of her own worth? LOL.
- anna sauce
I don't like it when women hide their sexiness or their intelligence. Wearing it on the outside, whether you're in a short skirt & fishnets or a baggy T-shirt & jeans. is really, really, really attractive.
- josh neff, geek at large
I mean, some people are just hot, and not slutty per se, but defnitely have a rack, etc. Like Selma Hayek. Would anyone tell her to take out her contacts and put on a cardigan, so they can marry her... lol. We're putting too much stock in looks.
- anna sauce
It's interesting how many people (mostly guys) say here (and in other similar threads) that they're into women who are smart, practical, and "normal", and not so into the major makeup, flirty, "tarted up" type. However, when a picture is posted here that is like there, there is no shortage of drooling in the comments.
- Rochelle
What's the adage... you f** your mistress, you marry your wife?
- anna sauce
Few things turn me on more than witty repartee, like I'm in a 30s screwball comedy or something.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Rochelle: On the other hand, there's a whole bunch of us out here who you've never see drool over any picture in the comments, whether it's a "hot" woman or otherwise. Out of a million people on FF, I'm certainly ready to believe there are thousands of "guys" looking for hot pictures to drool over and also thousands of men who prefer women in all their complexities.
- Walt Crawford
Like I said, a "slut" or hot chick or whatever might catch my eye just like an expensive sports car might catch my eye...but that doesn't mean I really want one.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Walt, I'm talking about people I interact with on FF and posts I've seen show up in my feed. I've never encountered you before on FF, so I have no idea what your commenting history is.
- Rochelle
Coming from Montreal, people would often rave about how beautiful Montreal women are... but I've also heard it said that your 'average' Montreal girl (whatever that is) knows how to dress in a way that flatters their particular body type.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I find a woman beautiful based on a range of factors and I do not prejudge them into categories like 'hot girl' and 'normal'.
- Johnny Worthington
Derrick... I can appreciate a well groomed man as well...
- Johnny Worthington
Of which you are, JW.
- Derrick
Oh yes, there are men that like intelligent women. Then you end up as the *tech-support gal* .. :)
- Citronella
The thing about "hot" girls is that you can invest hundreds of hours in knowing how to look good to please others (and I'm drawing a distinction from ladies who do it for themselves, like many FF women), but you're still going to be old someday anyway. If you invest that time in knowing stuff, or being entertaining, you'll be the hot one with time.
- Lo
Yes I prefer girls with a healthy dose of fiber.
- Rodfather
This is a tricky question, actually. Obviously, I see where D is going, but I would argue that a girl not being tarted up does not make her "regular." Many of ff's most spectacularly crush-worthy ladies are not tarted up at all, and many of the guys on here notice quite often how fabulous these "regular" girls are. :)
- Bren -- feeling merry
Normal isn't my thing.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
from Android
Whatever they're wearing, I like intensity in a guy... probably why I like hanging around poets and Highlanders so much.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I much prefer "regular" girls. I can't stand gigantic fake boobs, I'm not one for women with tattoos and trout pouts make my dick run for cover.
- Joey Gibson
Trout pouts? lol
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Sure, some guys like regular girls. No, plain janes do not get more action nor asked on more dates. (Simple answer). And for some women (whom i admire) the makeup application that makes them look dynamite takes mere minutes, and they can hold a conversation quite easily - so equating makeup/tarted (?) with shallow is just an easy out. tarted up doesnt cancel out your worth as an intelligent human, for either sex. So, ernk to the turn this convo has taken.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
I like regular girls. I like slutty girls. but most of all, I like punk rock girls. they punk rock my world.
- Morgan Haley
Spoken by a woman who is both, huh?
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I'm tarty on the inside.
- cecily
Im not a tart - I have neither the figure, the wardrobe nor the makeup skills to enhance my looks. But I dont trash those who do. I consider myself pretty regular - plain and chunky, on the higher side of smart. I just think this question (Do guys ever like regular girls") is too much like "do guys ever like chocolate?". The answer is some of them, some of the time, and it all depends on the chocolate.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Indeed.
- Pete
I'm not a chocolate fan. Dark chocolate is particularly blecky.
- Jason Huebel
Jason: *BLOCKED*
- Bren -- feeling merry
I like a variety. Give me "vanilla", give me fetish and everything in between.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
lol I also notice tHat in the spectrum of tart vs regular, we've conveniently left out the ugly girl, for whom the only real answer is to have an awesome personality that overrides face (or interesting text that overrides posted pictures).
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Warmaiden: I agree with you. However, I have seen photos of you wearing make-up, and you've mentioned buying lingerie...
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Dear godz. I like flesh, curves, handles, niches, painted, tanned, alabaster white, smart, simple, ditzy, high heels, bare feet, short skirts, amish dresses, burkas with hint of slutty eye, short, tall, wide, thin, tarty, virginal, ad infintum. But, there has to be some beauty there. Turn-offs - cankles, dirty feet, underarm hair, bad complexions, body odor, or the idea that sex (or our...
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- Rev. Dr. W!cKeD Rock
T. brent - this is true. I suppose i didnt think that rated on the Tart Scale :)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Jason, THAT'S RACIST (no, not really).
- cecily
Wicked: equal opportunity lech ;)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
I love that this thread has over 100 comments. :-)
- Anna Haro
I LOVE my "regular" girl. :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
I LOVE sweater vests and bowties :-)
- Anna Haro
"burkas with hint of slutty eye" lol
- anna sauce
Loveth this threadeth
- anna sauce
*picks up sweater vest and bowtie on the way home* :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
And do you tell me of a woman's tongue, That gives not half so great a blow to hear As will a chesnut in a farmer's fire?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Anna Haro: http://friendfeed.com/joshuam...
- josh neff, geek at large
You know what? I wanted to like this thread. But you're all playing so facilely with stereotypes that don't mean jack shit that it's a pointless conversation. I'm a "regular girl", and a "slut" and a "tart", and a "librarian" -- what the HELL are you actually talking about, other than objectifying women while pretending to be enlightened about it?
- Jenica
1UP Jenica.
- Derrick
Jenica, I think you're absolutely right. I've been trying to make that kind of point--at least it's been in the back of my head--but I've been doing it very, very, very badly.
- josh neff, geek at large
Nice work Jenica. File this under "threads I wish I hadn't posted in"
- s t e v e
I prefer to subjectify women. That is to say: SUBJECT THEM TO MY AWESOMENESS WOAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I agree that words have a lot of baggage associated with them, but it'd be pretty hard to have this conversation without words. Is there another word besides "tart" that more adequately expresses the nuances that you feel should be included in such a discussion? Or is it just flat out wrong to talk about women period? (please read that in a non-confrontational tone, I don't mean to fight, just curious & happy to be ignored)
- Lo
"other than objectifying women while pretending to be enlightened about it" - Whedonification, or see also Sorkinification.
- Andrew C
Jenica, what do you find attractive in men? And don't answer with anything that would objectify them.
- Kenton
I don't like "normal" anything.
- Steven Perez
I don't think we're all playing with the stereotypes; or rather, I don't think we're all playing *along* with the stereotypes. Some of us (OK, me) are tweaking the stereotypes with our responses (except for the being married to a librarian part. Librarians are pretty neat, regardless of where they fall on the sexual attractiveness scale.)
- cecily
ha ha ha!
- Anna Lynn M.
I kinda want to quote Zapp Brannigan here...
- Andrew C
Zapp is the man.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Hmmm. Being one who's in an open relationship, and a Kink? I get to deal with all types from all walks in many situations. I'm pretty desensitized to a lot of "normal" turn-ons, so someone who tries to stand out will get my attention - so will someone who tries to blend in. That's why I appreciate the entire spectrum. And yes! I love women who want me to objectify them, literally!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I feel quite okay with the comments I've made on this thread.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Wait, what's this about Neff in an oily Speedo???
- Mellissa
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- Kol Tregaskes
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- Jez Arnold
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- Amani
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- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Gamer: Xbox 360 (ITBlogger), PC (Steam ID: Jadigo) and Wii.
- Alex Scoble
I'm a lapsed gamer - I used to be heavy into all kinds of stuff but in the last 3-4 years it's been nothing but WoW off and on.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Just started a new studio http://wildshadow.com/ - going to launch a 3D Flash squad tactics game very soon
- Rob Shillingsburg
gamer and also a part of the games media with my show Vertical Slice http://www.verticalslice.tv. My GF is currently seeking work in the games industry and we're off to Edinburgh tomorrow so she can attend an interview for Rockstar North :)
- alphaxion
Enthusiastic middle-core gamer, nearly jumped in the industry several times (chickened out for easier jobs every time), no longer owns a console (got burglared and not replaced) so PC-only. Currently disappointed with A-list titles and spending her gaming cash buying promising indie titles (not always playing them, but that is another story)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I used to game alot with PC or PS2. Been working more, but still get a chance to play every now and then. When my nephew comes over, that is when I really get a chance.
- Dan Woods
All around gamer, and Tech Evangelist for Stardock. :)
- Spencer
Say hi to Brad for me Spencer! I spent five years or so on Qt3 and Brad was a valued community voice there.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
there's an interesting social media site for people in the gaming media and production industries over at www.gameleon.net
- alphaxion
@alphaxion Thanks for the link, will check it out.
- Spencer
self-diagnosed online game addict since the first BBS MUD, long time computer, console, pen & paper, and tabletop gamer -->
- Mike Chelen
i skipped a few generations...from an NES to a Wii (& subsequently an Xbox 360)...
- Trent Olson
I spend more time reading/talking about games and the industry than I do actually playing games. I am in the progress of evolving a Nintendo fan site into a FriendFeed clone for gamers.
- Daniel Sims
I used to be a pro-gamer, win COD tournaments(2nd place on 1v1 in Turkey). I also became Match Referee in CPL, WCG (2 times) and other many tournaments. Now, I am head admin and organising Professional PC Gaming Tournaments (COD) (our new portal: www.oyuncuyuz.com) and also I am a casual PC Gamer mostly like playing racing, RTS, FPS etc. Nowadays playing Team Fortress II - steamID: th3crasher
- Zafer Yılmaz
Xbox 360 (gamer tag: str8 schreppin)
- Johnny
gamer & game developer peon.
- Andrew C
If anyone here works in the games industry, can you please add yourselves to this thread: http://ff.im/86K6r :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bumped.
- Kol Tregaskes
What is one place in the world you think everyone MUST visit? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
Mitchell Tsai, zʍıɔ, Durukan Duru and 20 other people liked this
The bathroom.
- DGentry
socotra
- imran
Himalayas..(INDIA).
- dineshviswanath
29°58′45.03″N 31°08′03.69″E
- kartik vaithyanathan
Grand Canyon!
- Bo Stern
lol @ D
- VAL D. Zone
NY and England
- VAL D. Zone
Their nearest ocean.
- Mike Nencetti
Their local library.
- Spidra Webster
New Zealand (they have some really good libraries!)
- Joe Silence
New Zealand, but if 7 billion tourists descended then did it wouldn't be worth visiting.
- Kevin Fox
Prague.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
hmm if we combine some of these answers we have the bathroom of a library in New Zealand that is near the ocean....
- Mike Nencetti
LOL @ Denton
- Admiral Anika
+1 Mike
- AJ Batac
Hawai'i
- Morgan Haley
Phuket, Thailand - I've been to Bali, Hawaii, and some of the most beautiful beaches in the world, but Phuket beats them all. Be sure to take the boat tours.
- Jesse Stay
South Africa
- Kamath (नमः)
Yellowstone/Grand Teton.
- andrei_c
sicily
- Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1
Mike: As I remember, the bathroom in Auckland's public library was just fine, but maybe not worth a special visit. I'm reluctant to identify anything--seven billion people would wreck southeast Alaska or Bora Bora, which might otherwise be good choices.
- Walt Crawford
Prague.
- Christian (Simply X)
Disneyland
- Rodfather
I say Hawai'i because I want the economy there to be stronger. I plan to retire there someday and need it to be pimped out by the time I'm ready. So go there. Spend lots of money. Thank you.
- Morgan Haley
FriendFeed.com
- Louis Gray
The Librarians in Auckland probably use Friendfeed.
- Mike Nencetti
good one RAP thats why I am here...........
- VAL D. Zone
Amoeba Music?
- Andrew C
Right now? The bathroom! UH Oh Gotta GO!!! ~ aaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
- sofarsoShawn
Edinburgh; Montreal; Cape Breton
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Rome
- Alex Scrivener
Bora Bora Island-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- ashish
Bora Bora is absolutely stunning, but also really expensive. Also, it's really a disconnect hearing Polynesian people speaking French.
- Kevin Fox
Algeria.
- Itachi
Portugal, specially São Miguel, Azores - http://picasaweb.google.pt/rikhard...
- ovigia
Railey Beach, Thailand
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Trantor
- Pierre Lindenbaum
Hawaii ,,,, paradise on Earth
- johnpiercy
pretty much EVERYWHERE in New Zealand is close to the ocean.
- Joe Silence
Rome
- Amy
Whistler BC Canada. Then again, Tourism Whistler is my employer so I'm paid to say that but I do also believe it personally.
- Andrew Smith
Vladivostok
- gmarketer
Yosemite.
- Christopher Harley
from iPhone
The Louvre.
- Rochelle
Jerusalem.
- Robert Scoble
Both Steve Wozniak and Larry Page (and Larry's wife) told me that New Zealand were their favorite places to visit, though.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Rome.
- Cristo
Stormhold
- Charles Ying
One might want to see the polar ice caps while one can. I guess a glance at the thermafrost before it gets thawed would be logical, and all the coastal areas and islands before they are submerged.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Venice is vulnerable.
- Cristo
The moon.
- imabonehead
meat packing industry =)
- Harsh SIngh
Personally my favorite place to visit was the USS Nimitz while it was in operation. That beats everywhere else I've been. San Quentin is a place I'd love everyone to visit but it certainly wasn't fun.
- Robert Scoble
Auschwitz
- Alex Scoble
While we're at it, every tax payer should visit a sewage treatment plant too.
- Robert Scoble
Margaret River Western Australia. GODS COUNTRY (im not religious)
- Tyson
damn.. did i just tell the world the best secret.. argh
- Tyson
The Alamo, we must never forget the Alamo.
- sofarsoShawn
I'll be honest, the Alamo is really, really, really boring. The history is great, but trudging through the line of a kajillion people wasn't very much fun.
- Jason Huebel
went to the Alamo in early 2004 while i was in San Antonio. there was no line or anything. of course, it was February at the time.
- Joe Silence
The hood. Wherever the nearest lower class neighborhood is. The place where there is nothing but liquor stores, gun stores, and Family Dollar. People would appreciate things more if they realized just how much they have. The world might be a better place. Then again...maybe not.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Somewhere to get a good view of the Northern (or Southern) Lights
- Ian May
Masada and the Dead Sea.
- Michael R. Bernstein
istanbul - Turkey
- Mustafa
Istanbul and San Francisco:)
- Petek(UCB)_
LOL ! awesome!! @ Mike Nencetti
- Maryam
New York City
- Henny Susilawati
from email
Cherry Blossom Land, Belleville, NJ...during the 3rd week of April. http://images.google.com/images...
- April Russo (app103)
SuezanneC, don't you think everyone travelling to see the polar icecaps would hasten their demise?
- Ruchira S. Datta
If you like mountains and chocolate as much as I do, Bariloche, Argentina. Horseback ride through the Patagonia
- elizabeth
Sao Paulo, go to the same dumpy open-air restaurant four nights in a row. Talk to everyone who comes up. It will broaden your horizons. Brazilians are genuinely interested in people, especially people who are different from them. In the U.S., we are in too much of a rush. Too inward facing. Second place to go: the old markets of Karachi. Accept tea from the shopkeepers - then others will approach.
- A Mitchell
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