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클릭을 많이 받는 문서가 사용자를 만족시키는 경향이 높다는 것은 솔직히 이해가 안됨. 한국에서 클릭을 많이 받는 문서는 다 연예정보, 낚시질 기사 아닌가? Share가 많이 된 문서가 정말 좋은 정보라고 생각하는데....
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![联想C305一体电脑城市摄影大赛 [Flickr]](http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/zikay/~5/INnge4czlb8/3825988020_c1ec76ea06_m.jpg "联想C305一体电脑城市摄影大赛 [Flickr]")
주간 〈리터러시〉 2.2 - http://textorgy.net/party...
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东拉西扯：Facebook收了FriendFeed - http://blog.donews.com/keso...
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同意 keso 的觀點 ： "对Facebook来说，或许FriendFeed现有的12名员工的价值，要远远大于网站的价值。"， 這個團隊的(各方面，尤其是技術)能力，的確是千金不換！
- Roger Chen
同意个啥哦，Friendfeed没有发布功能，那么大一个box放在顶上，不是发布的，干嘛用的。 Friendfeed和twitter本质的不同是在conversation上。twitter也是因为先入为主。
- xiawinter
现在下结论还太早
- topo
將來會怎樣，沒有人知道，在這個業界，合併失敗的例子遠比成功的例子多。不過認為 Facebook 覬覦的是 FF 團隊的技術能力，應該是目前多數人的主流意見。
- Roger Chen
Friendfeed维持原样， 说不定什么时候friendfeed一样可以很牛X
- xiawinter
太惨了，FF怎么会被facebook收购呢
- 式锋@beta
My First Fail: Adorable Funny Baby Photos - http://myfirstfail.com/#
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So cute!!
- Roger.Wei
from Bookmarklet
so funny
- cch
发现friendfeed上的今日最佳、本周最佳、本月最佳话题基本都是有配图的。果然是读图时代
sG, picthink, 疯狂的糯米 and 2 other people liked this
^_^的确是这样，有图和有敏感话题的贴一般都比较吸引人，信息时代人们热衷于此
- dimjoker
你给这个主题配图的目的之准备最佳话题？ XD
- Roger.Wei
现在基本能用friendfeed发的都用friendfeed发就是因为它可以用图！俗话说，看图说话嘛
- 疯狂的糯米
不是的，是信息获取和加工的方式。相对来说，一个链接和一张图片的信息量完全不能比，一个链接根本都不想点。从这个意义上来说，google reader有很大的潜力。为什么，因为它什么都能读，这个时候一个链接和一张图片的信息量就近似相等。 Greader要去解决及时性问题。
- xiawinter
不能否认，有些时候真是一图顶千言
- picthink
图是国际语
- sG
트위터 사용자들은 트윗할 때 twitter.com(web)을 20% 밖에 사용하지 않는다. 그럼 도대체 어디에서 트윗을 하는 거지? 정답은 이곳에 100등까지 있네요 http://twitstat.com/twitter...
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今天居然让我删除“Google打不开的解决方法和IP地址表”这篇文章，现在的网监简直就是一群猪。
Anzai3, defeaten, 砂七 and 2 other people liked this
你可以换一种说法，比如说，本站打不开的解决方法和IP地址表……
- yoshiki
不删除人家就把服务器网线，没办法啊。
- williamlong
表示同情，为啥不搬服务器到国外呢？嘿嘿
- nickyhu
网监是指网上的太监吗？
- xywf
服务器搬到国外 会有网特来测你密码的吧？
- Salt Sharp Sharp
服务器搬到国外那连通知都省了，直接封IP
- IwfWcf
网监的全称是“公共信息网络安全监察”，不是网上的太监。
- williamlong
网监-网上的太监。
- Neolandscaper
有过同样遭遇的人含泪飘过。。。。
- rocyhua
近来的各种事件应该是十一封网保安全的预演……
- 麦圆
지메일(Gmail)의 라벨(label) 기능이 업데이트 되었습니다 http://archmond.pe.kr/2009...
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제가 블로그 태그 입히는 방법에 써먹으려고 한건데 구글에서 선수쳤더라고요 흐흐
- Chang K. Kim
Chang K. Kim // 그래요? ㅋㅋㅋ 살짝 늦으셨네용 ㅋㅋ 그래도 이게 활용 분야가 많아서..
- Kwangsoo Park
지메일에서 편지을 라벨로 드래그하는 기능은 되는지요? 전 어떻게 해봐도 안되는데 영문을 모르겠네요..:(
- mjjin
@mjjin 아 제가 실험실 기능을 활성화 해놔서 보이고 있는건지도 모르겠네요
- Chang K. Kim
Google announces Chrome OS and takes Gmail out of beta the same day. It's like Christmas in July. :) http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
Jonathan Meyer, mjjin, Evan Parker and 8 other people liked this
Robert Scoble is all over this since the announcement at http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Swaroop
It's a baby boy :) http://www.labnol.org/home...
A.T., Mark H, Rasmus Lauridsen and 3 other people liked this
Congratulations!
- Luis Martín Vallejo
from email
Congratulations!
- mjjin
I want to be uncle Robin, Amit! :-)
- Robin Good
Yay, congratulations Amit!! :)
- Mona Nomura
Congratulations!
- Micah Wittman
互联网上不但有色情，还有什么功和其他反动内容，统统违反中国法律。所以，我们要强烈谴责互联网，并责令其限期整改。如果整改不利，为保护孩子们，以及孩子般天真的国民，呼吁有关部门砍断太平洋光缆。
uty, mjjin, Anoxia and 13 other people liked this
CCTV应该采访你
- darwin|1q84
按CCTV的说法，最应该干掉的是硬盘生产商。google只是一个搜索服务平台，数据可都是保存在硬盘里的。因此硬盘是万恶的，散步、传播、存储大量淫秽信息，严重毒害了青少年。
- yagami
"Let's face it, we're not changing the world. We're building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn." Seagate ex-CEO 2006年就这么坦白说了。
- 【无声胜有声】
前一阵子不是有个什么“永远活在硬盘中”的说法么……
- 奉旨打劫
光缆有罪，大量境外淫秽，反动的内容都是通过它散布传播的呀
- vintone
整改？色情只是幌子，谁都知道！！党在为当年开放互联网的错误决定做最大努力挽回呢！
- wu honghao
高也是CCAV的棋子，CCAV是D的棋子。互联网给D带来了太多的烦恼！
- 黄色蜻蜓
怪不得什么事情都不符合逻辑呢
- NIUZHU
砍互联网的刀砍完后也要一并限期整改，然后再逮捕铁匠、卖刀商，对钢铁厂警告。
- 老巫师
悖论好！
- 小硕同学
黄色蜻蜓, ShiningRay, a_dream and 4 other people liked this
中国成年人根本就不知道有boobs这个词,直到比新东方还伟大的英语教育机构ccav教会大家..
- 麦克.疯
答：你有孩子吗？
- Kunshou（困兽）
顶困兽，答的好。有兴趣加入真理部吗？请拨打求职喝茶电话——110
- yagami
这个回答是传说中的经典反问啊，我天朝脑残的最爱（当然不是指困兽XD）
- Roger.Wei
NA.
- 【无声胜有声】
看了CCTV学了这些词。
- zgjie
全民CCAV化
- 玄三
我觉得这很荒谬，成年人有权看色情内容，居然让那帮傻逼拿我们纳税人的钱来为我们护航！！！
- Goofy2
好像在以马列主义为信仰的帝国，成人观看色情内容也是非法的吧。无产阶级者是用共产主义信仰武装起来的战斗者，哪里来的X欲这回事！
- Ting Liu
IE as customizable as Firefox and as fast as Chrome?!? http://www.microsoft.com/windows... What do you think--early April Fools joke? :)
RAPatton, Nicholas James, Nicholas Chase and 38 other people liked this
"Only Internet Explorer 8 has both tab isolation and crash recovery features; Firefox and Chrome have one or the other. " Chrome has both, right?
- Ionut
Safari is not included in this chart. I would like to see that as well.
- Louis Gray
"Internet Explorer 8 is more compatible with more sites on the Internet than any other browser." That's why Microsoft had to add the Compatibility View.
- Ionut
Of course IE8 wins this joke
- Jordi Rosell
"Internet Explorer 8 passes more of the World Wide Web Consortium's test cases than any other browser." Citation needed.
- Ionut
Is it true that if you use IE8 that it only works with bing?
- Thomas Hawk
I want to see the same tests conducted by an un-biased third party.
- Kiran Patchigolla
"IE8 also wins the crash test. It's the most crashing browser ever."
- Eren Emre Kanal
That's a joke. Even some plain standard JS DOM manipulation that works in FF, Safari + Chrome fails in IE.
- Sebastian
Yet another example of "just because someone wrote it down, doesn't make it true."
- James Myatt
I'm pretty sure they mean "IE just got around to passing a bunch of old deprecated tests. We win." Also, I've found the IE slices and accelerators aren't all that user friendly. How are newbies supposed to understand what that crap is for?
- mrshl
IE works just fine for me. I use chrome, firefox, and IE (chrome the most simply b/c I like google). Speed is a little overrated since the nanosecond difference is barely detectable. People just love to hate IE. To your average everyday internet user, there is nothing wrong with IE. Feel free to flame me. :-)
- Matt Soreco
Marshall: Using accelerators only requires enough intelligence to right-click and navigate the ensuing context menu. Slices, yeah, they aren't as user friendly, but they're still stupidly simple to use.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
If it worked on Linux, as do many widely used great softwares, I'd use it 'from time to time': I'm tired of having to reboot just to test how a website looks within IE. Which reminds me.. the 'standards' question. Aw.. sorry ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
other browser's 5x times Javascript speed of IE8 can definitely be detected, it's not nanosecond difference, more like hundreds of milliseconds on complex Javascript applications. Sure, for standard HTML it's fine, but for something like a Zoho app or Gmail, you can tell the difference. For my application, the difference is between rendering 60+ frames per second, and a jerky irritating...
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- Ray Cromwell
What I’m getting at is it’s easy for Microsoft to pitch IE that way because the casual browser user (meaning most users) don’t notice a difference and/or don’t care enough to switch. If you want people to widely adopt chrome or firefox, devs and business need to get the guts to develop content that might not be compatible with IE. Look at the message atop MSN’s game center...
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- Matt Soreco
My point, Charabaruk, is that using these features as IE has set them up, is actually harder for users than Chrome, Firefox or Safari. It virtually requires users to customize their browser. Something Firefox, Chrome, and Safari don't do. Microsoft is pretending that requiring their users to "set up" accelerators and slices is easier than what the competition offers. That's not the case.
- mrshl
It may sound strange, but I moved from Chrome to IE8. Page rendering is superfast (better than Chrome), and the whole thing feels more solid than Chrome. Accelerators are nice too. Over long periods of time it's a memory hogger, though.
- Kirill Petrovsky
I use just about every browser out there on several OSs but I'd rather be using Chrome all the time. Safari on mac works well, but blows on windows. IE8 starts to fall apart when I have more than 20 tabs open, which is often. I've also had problems with IE8 not caching ssl certs for VPNs.
- John
IE8 is the only browser that gives you a bonus dialog during the acid 3 test; it deserves two checks for standards: http://skipall.com/37.jpg
- Kelly Norton
On what planet did they test those?
- Ozberk Olcer
IE8 developer tools - They are much better then previous IE versions, but I'd take firefox with firebug any day.
- Mike Child
Do you think these people notice the difference in browser speeds? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Matt Soreco
Most people don't know how cars work, but can certainly tell upon driving two very different cars, which has better performance. The first time someone writes a JS intensive game, they'll notice.
- Ray Cromwell
We started including FriendFeed subscriber counts when we crawl your blog's feed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Amarnath Prabhakar, HealingBrush, Ruben Sanchez and 186 other people liked this
This means that, if you use a service FeedBurner, your subscriber totals will include FriendFeed subscribers in addition to subscriber counts from Google Reader, Bloglines, etc. For a lot of people like me, this will be a pretty significant boost in your overall subscriber numbers.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
This is great! Thanks!
- Stephen Mack
Not sure why it is called "friendfeedagg" right now :) We will ask them to make the name a bit friendlier, but the stats are there nonetheless.
- Bret Taylor
What service did Kevin use to make that pie chart in the example?
- Stephen Mack
Thanks again to the FeedBurner team for working with us on this one - they were incredibly responsive and great to work with.
- Bret Taylor
Stephen: the chart comes from FeedBurner ( http://feedburner.google.com/fb...)
- Bret Taylor
from email
Very interesting !
- Farzad
Great!
- تنهاترین انجل
You can add your blog to your FriendFeed profile (if it isn't already there) at http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Bret Taylor
not sure if i like it...
- Zio Bonino
There is a problem. My followers on FriendFeed follow all my feeds, not only my blog. So the "attention focus" is different between one user that follows directly my blog via RSS and an user that follows all about me. Two different counts in the main page of FeedBurner, RSS and FF, would be great.
- Alessandro Di Nicola
and for the reach stats? it's crawled?
- Felter Roberto
I'm not sure this was the right thing to do. Yes, there are 200 people subscribed to me on friendfeed, and my blog entries fly by in their feed. But from the Google Analytics stats, there are essentially no referrals from friendfeed to actually read the blog posts. Someone who subscribes to the blog RSS feed can be said to have an intent to actually read the blog, A subscriber on friendfeed doesn't necessarily have such an intent.
- DGentry
Unfortunately I suspect we'll see a TechCrunch article soon about "How To Inflate Your Subscriber Numbers Using friendfeed.com!" Edit: like the one they wrote about netvibes http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- DGentry
I agree with DGentry and Alessandro, this may not be a good idea. The problem could occur when Twitter and Facebook start reporting subscribers in the same way. This could start a very bad trend.
- Rob Diana
Hmm, I'm not sure if I like that. It surely inflates the subscriber-stats for the Feedburner-Feeds.
- Marcel Weiß
I think this is a disaster for feedburner. I publish a full feed from my blog so subscribers get the same content they would have if they visited the site. I can lump that into traffic as if they were a site visitor. But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers. In looking at recent traffic, only 10 referrals out of 7,000 came from friendfeed.
- Doug Cornelius
I agree - I am not loving this for my feedburner stats, seems not quite right. To me it seems like FF subs are subscribing less to my blog feed and more to me and my general commentary/presence on FF. It seems a little inflationary for rss sub numbers. I prefer to keep them separate, rss subs and ff subs.
- felix
but feedburner shown who "WANT" read our feed o who CAN read it? i think the second. And now it's the same. :)
- Felter Roberto
I'm awaiting Louis Gray's opinion. I think he had 8,500 RSS subscribers before, and now has 13,814. Which is the more accurate representation of the number of regular readers of louisgray.com ?
- DGentry
perhaps is better crawl blog's feed really show in FF. If i go out and my pc in off all the day, my google reader don't read any feed e my ff don't show me any message, Feedburner count me for FF and don't for google reader. And tomorrow, when i turn on my pc, my google reader download all the feed and i can read also the post of the day before, but FF show me only the last message and i lose all of the post.
- Felter Roberto
Whoa, awesome!! FriendFeed rocks! :) My new blog at http://susanbeebe.com now has a huge potential for additional subscribers due to this great new feature FF just added, THANK YOU! :)
- Susan Beebe
Wow my subscribers just jumped up 3000%
- Ralph Whitbeck
What's done can not be theoretically undone - so if this is the way it is, it should stay, or our one-time blips will look odd, won't they? DGentry, I don't know if I am in love with it. I think Rob is right in terms of it rendering the number meaningless. I've been excited to see my numbers go from 5,000 to 8,000 naturally (I guess) in the last two months. This means I can't celebrate that jump.
- Louis Gray
Doug said: "But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers." A lot of people use Google Reader in list view, which is *almost* the same thing as just seeing a title. There's no way to differentiate between those subscribers and ones which see the full content. Or subscribers that choose to mark all your items as read or just ignore them without even looking at the titles.
- Tony Ruscoe
For Louis, I guess the saving grace here is that you can see the breakdown in FeedBurner and choose to ignore FriendFeed if you wish. That means you can still watch your "normal" subscriber numbers climb and celebrate hitting 8,000 subscribers naturally. (You just can't share that number in a chicklet...)
- Tony Ruscoe
Tony: agreed these issues already exist for RSS subscription counts, and for web based readers such as gReader users could be counted even if completely inactive
- Mike Chelen
If someone subscribes to me on FriendFeed but also subscribes via other means - are those deduped or do they essentially get counted twice?
- AJ Kohn
AJ, I assume yes.
- Louis Gray
They get double counted, naturally.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
What if more than one user has the same feed, like Philipp and I do for the Google Blogoscoped blog feed? Does that add together both of our subscriber totals? And does it include all the subscribers for all the groups where it's been added too? (Cross-posted from http://ff.im/47QNJ.)
- Tony Ruscoe
One clear flaw of this is that my wife's blog at http://www.thegrayeffect.com, says it now has more than 9,300 readers, up from 50 yesterday. That's clearly wrong.
- Louis Gray
This is very bad! Of course I'd like higher numbers of RSS subscribers but this is a fake number. Please consider this again...
- Marko Saric
Louis I think thats the general problem: when someone subscribes to you on ff, are they also a subscriber to you on every one of the services you import? You import thegrayeffect.com as an RSS feed, and you have 9270 subscribers here, therefore thegreyeffect.com has 9270 new readers. More broadly, does a subscriber to the aggregate feed also count as a subscriber to every individual component of that feed? Or is the sum greater than the individual parts?
- DGentry
I saw a huge jump in subscribers today. I thought that Feedburner was broken. This explains it.
- Gary
Tony and Louis, the multi-author blog is one of those feeds that causes problems. I did not like this to start, and I am beginning to think I like it even less.
- Rob Diana
I hope Twitter and others don't get the same idea...
- Marko Saric
Hummm. As much as I like the idea, it seems destined to provide incentive for people to beg for subscribers here on FriendFeed which is exactly the behavior that I seek to avoid, and has been generally devoid on FriendFeed to date. It rewards FriendFeed usage and - as such - helps FriendFeed grow but ... is it the *right* growth?
- AJ Kohn
OK. Now I understood why my Feedburner count was inflated. I think, this is not a right thing to do.
- Krishnamoorthy
I actually REALLY dislike this A LOT. My subscriber count was a great measuring stick for me and also a solid indication of how many people -might- actually be reading my content. The vast majority of my subscribers here aren't reading my blog. It's very misleading and makes the RSS subscriber count a lot more meaningless to me.
- Ryan Stephens
Rob, one of the oddities here is that FriendFeed shows more than 9,000 adds to TheGrayEffect, but only about 5,000 to louisgray.com. That may be due to deduplication, but it is certainly odd.
- Louis Gray
howtomakemyblog: Twitter and Friendfeed are in this regard completely different services and I therefor don't see any way in which Twitter could do something like this. But Jaiku might do it.
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
I'm wondering, though: are people who hide the blog feed substracted from the number of subscribers?
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
The easy fix is to disconnect my blog feed from FriendFeed. Otherwise the subscriber numbers are useless. --- So I did. That seems like a bad result for FriendFeed.
- Doug Cornelius
Wow Doug, you chose Feedburner stat purity over FF conversations? That's pretty surprising to me. I suppose you can always tweet your posts into FF if you really want 'em to show up.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I just deleted my blog feed from FriendFeed... it's a stupid change really... fake, inflated numbers... it's much easier to get a FriendFeed subscriber than a real RSS subscriber. And also a real RSS subscriber is much more likely to take a look at your article than a FriendFeed one.... spammers that want to boost their RSS subscriber numbers will love this though!
- Marko Saric
I can't help but notice that Marko and Doug have 350ish FF comments each. I suppose that shades your perception of this change in a different way than it might for someone who - like me - has orders of magnitude more FF comments than blog posts.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, the fact that they have a smaller comment count should be concerning to FriendFeed because those are the users they need to keep. People like myself and more active users are not going anywhere.
- Rob Diana
HAHAH - now i see what happened - i don't use my feedburner feed here for CN - but for my other sites I do - so now I see I got about 2,000-2,500 bump for those feeds today - yea, like 2,500 people coming to insidetransit every day - i wish! as Rob says, these numbers are meaningless and shouldn't be reported this way. just like the other "defaults" on some of the other services like google reader. mystery solved.
- Allen Stern
Oh yeah I'm not saying FF should keep the feature as is - it's misleading at best - just that I was surprised that anyone values their Feedburner count over their FF stream's purity.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
So who's really at fault here? FF for taking advantage of Feedburner's poor implementation of subscriber counts or Feedburner for offering the possibility?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Do you think FriendFeed had any idea there would be this many people talking about it?
- Rob Diana
So is it better to turn it off altogether or to make it a toggleable feature that users can choose to use or abuse at their discretion?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
@Rob - Who knows what FF expected, but it's really cool to see discussion evolving around this in a live FF thread. People are being mostly civil and constructive and it's all happening right here on the FF thread. I guarantee you FF HQ is reading this and staying hands off for a few hours until they can figure out a solid response.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Instead of deleting your blog feed from FriendFeed, you could just provide FriendFeed with your actual feed URL instead of the FeedBurner one. (I don't think the feed URL actually gets published anywhere by FriendFeed, does it?)
- Tony Ruscoe
daniel - you cant do that - then x blog says "we have y subs" while z blog says "we have a subs" and x gets the ad deal because they have more subs, etc. sadly advertisers and agencies still don't get that the number is meaningless.
- Allen Stern
@Allen - Most of us here aren't directly making money off of subscriber counts, but I appreciate that this would be an issue of great importance to you.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: No matter how active you are on FriendFeed, if you think a FriendFeed subscriber is just as valuable to your blog as your RSS subscriber, you are fooling yourself. And I am talking about value to your blog as that is what RSS subscriber number represents, not about relationships / conversations etc. you might have wit hyour "subscriber" on FriendFeed...
- Marko Saric
I think my Friendfeed network is more valuable to me than my blog's readership, but I still keep the blog around for the few unique things it can offer me: A well-developed body of work to point to in professional situations, google juice, and a place to share long-form ideas.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
So if I could get Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis and Leo Laporte to add my post-every-six months blog to their feeds, does that mean Feedburner would show I have 100K subscribers?
- Ken Sheppardson
This will definitely be abused by spammers who will use it as an opportunity to inflate their RSS numbers and make their blogs seem more important to potential advertisers, readers, subscribers etc who are unaware of this FriendFeed change.
- Marko Saric
Jason Calacanis To Pay Friendfeed $200,000 For Spot on Suggested Users List
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
+1 Daniel
- Allen Stern
There's no reason Twitter couldn't turn around and do the same thing, right? Heck, they could set up a service to automatically tweet your RSS feed over to Twitter on your behalf, then just add the number of Twitter subscribers you have to their stats. I think this is more a Feedburner fail than a FriendFeed issue.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems like maybe somebody took all the "Have you ditched Google Reader for FriendFeed" threads the wrong way... hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
What about making this optional per feed?
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Ken, right now Twitter doesn't request any feeds though. Those numbers get into FeedBurner by FriendFeed providing a subscriber count in the USER_AGENT header when they request the feed.
- Tony Ruscoe
It seems logical to me that you're counting people and not tools.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
I'm surprised Feedburner agreed to this. Next Twitter will ask that followers on their service count as readership.
- Aviv
Aviv - that presumes that FF and FB had a discussion about this. It reads to me like FB always allowed polling agents to specify a subscriber count via their API and that the FF team just decided to change the way they utilize that feature.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
If someone subscribes to your blog feed using Google Reader, it doesn't mean they read it. Likewise, if someone subscribes to your FriendFeed, they may or may not read your blog posts. Subscriber numbers are all about reach. I see no difference between FriendFeed and Google Reader. Your subscribers see what you're posting and decide whether they want to read it. Using web analytics...
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- Tony Ruscoe
tony +1
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Tony, you're right about RSS subscribers being able to skip over your posts at will but there's still a disctinction to be made between subscribing directly to a blog feed (traditional) versus subscribing to the totality of a person's shared activity (friendfeed). The former implies an explicit interest in the blog, the latter does not. Moreover FF makes it trivial for a user to subscribe to a person and then perma-hide their blog posts if for example you like talking to Louis Gray but not about his blog.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Tony, you have to agree that subscribing on Google Reader means at the very least that right now, at the time of adding that subscription, you have the intention of reading future blog posts. But with FF, I don't think I'm even aware of blogs maintained by 90% of the people I'm subscribed to.
- Aviv
VERY cool.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Daniel, Aviv, good points. But I think that by subscribing to a person, you're generally interested in them and what they have to say. Blogs are merely a subset of that person. The big problem for me is that there's no way to verify that you own a blog feed, so (I think) it will inflate your subscribers if it's added to multiple user accounts and groups even without your permission.
- Tony Ruscoe
To put it another way, should anyone in your field care that your mom reads your blog? We all know she's just doing it because she loves you, not because your blog is so gosh darned wonderful. FF subscribers in FB stats are the same thing - people like *you* and while that might carry over to a limited interest in your blog it certainly doesn't imply that many of them have ever read it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I subscribe to blogs of people I know because of who they are (in addition to blogs which interest me) even if I'm not particularly interested in the subject they write about just in case they write something I like. The fact that I know them and like them as a person often means we've got at least one thing in common. And vice versa. I like reading lots of my FriendFeed subscriptions' blogs but I've never subscribed in Google Reader, so FriendFeed is currently the only way they can see me as a statistic.
- Tony Ruscoe
Fb must count only the number of post link shown on FF, exactly how count how much feed google reader download from the blog. it's different that to use the contact number at all. it's possible? i don't know
- Felter Roberto
from twhirl
Innovative. I don't use FeedBurner on my blog, so not seeing the effect. Still relying on the Google Reader count of subscribers.
- Hutch Carpenter
Yet another great reason for a blogger to invest time in the friendfeed community!
- Garin Kilpatrick
So ... if I convince other people to use my blog as one of their fed items, then I pick up the amount of people who are subscribed to them as well? Or create a new account and put a few different blogs on it and get people to subscribe. Or 'trade' a feed for a feed with others to boost each other's counts? The more I think about this, the more I dislike it.
- AJ Kohn
Hmm nice. Just jumped from about 5 to 148 with tobiasverhoog.com I do think though that friendfeeders may read my feed differently than subscribers via Google Reader or another feedreader.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Uh, maybe it's because I have not had my coffee but where do I see this shiny chart? Friendfeed? Feedburner?
- Rick Cogley
Rick: you can see it in FeedBurner
- Bret Taylor
from email
Bret: thanks. Yes indeed it's there. :-)
- Rick Cogley
and another thing to add onto what Daniel has been saying: hides. if I have 10 FF subscribers but 3 of them are hiding my blog entries, does it report the subscriber to Feedburner as 10, or 7? if it's the former, then the Feedburner stats become really inflated.
- chrisofspades
also, there's nothing in FriendFeed that stops me from importing someone else's blog, which means I can artificially inflate their Feedburner stats without them even knowing I did it. seems ripe for gaming, to me.
- chrisofspades
Right, Chris. As I have 9,000 potential to add to you, I'll start selling slots for $9k.
- Louis Gray
as enticing as that is Louis, I don't have a blog ;)
- chrisofspades
how does it know to link it to your feedburner?
- Gary
Gary, first of all you need to be using FeedBurner for your blog feed. Each time FF requests your feed, they include the number of subscribers in the user agent string. FeedBurner then uses that number to include in the stats for your feed. (If you don't use FeedBurner, you'll still be able to see the stats in your web logs each time your feed is requested.)
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
If people are being exposed to my blog headlines, no matter if it’s on an RSS reader or FriendFeed, they should be counted as potential audience. At the end of the day, the much more important metric to measure is the actual visits to your blog and how often they visit afer that. I've posted some thoughts about it here http://bit.ly/N0jQc
- Jorge Escobar
So that's what happened....
- Spot us
The Buchheit Boys
Renchin Wang, Cristian, Clare Dibble and 28 other people liked this
Which one's which?
- Gabe
Nice shot! :)
- Ovidiu Predescu
Where was this photo taken and why is it about to be famous?
Daniel Rowley, SurajLuke, Mark Evans and 12 other people liked this
At a guess, Palo Alto? :P
- kristian carter
in Palo Alto
- Allen Stern
Yes, Allen, good guess. Now where in Palo Alto?
- Robert Scoble
At the Apple offices
- laurasweet
laurasweet: Apple is in Cupertino.
- Robert Scoble
Because Robert Scoble says it will :)
- Michael Fogleman
Some sort of government building? The new Facebook?
- Jesse Stay
Building 43?
- Ahmed
Facebook's new office?
- Mike Doeff
Rackspace's Palo Alto office?
- Jesse Stay
considering i have never been to palo alto - i could only guess it has something to do with facebook?
- Allen Stern
Robert Scoble's new house.
- Paul Holmes
Jesse wins. Here's Paul's photo of the old Facebook. http://friendfeed.com/paul... This is the new Facebook headquarters at 1601 S. California Ave., Palo Alto, CA
- Robert Scoble
HP or Xerox research?
- Denis
Nice - I hadn't seen any pics of their new offices yet. I've been following all the pics of them moving out of the old though.
- Jesse Stay
ah good old HP. Where good ideas go overseas.
- geoff hines
where did they stick the $150m - maybe we can create a diversion
- Allen Stern
okay, so why will it be famous, per se?
- laurasweet
Damn, Jesse beat me by a few seconds
- Mike Doeff
Paul: I can't afford that neighborhood. :-)
- Robert Scoble
But how can they afford an office, with no revenue? I thought everyone worked in a barn in Kentucky.
- Paul Holmes
laurasweet: that's Mark Zuckerberg's new parking spot. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Shoot. I was going to say "Because penguins are going to come over for a house party sponsored by MTV, Bud Light and Jack Daniels". Partying Penguins can Produce a Predicament.
- geekazine
Scoble, why don't you buy a winnebago and ask if you can park in their parking spot?
- Ahmed
Paul: Facebook has a lot of revenue. Not sure where you got that they have no revenue.
- Robert Scoble
LOL is this the address? 131 Lytton Avenue Palo Alto, California 94301
- laurasweet
Ahmed: heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry, I meant to say profit.
- Paul Holmes
Paul - they have plenty of revenue - they got $3.82 from me last month in advertising spend.
- Allen Stern
I love Office Space! An American classic.
- Mat Man
You can probably have Dave Morin or Randi's spot - they were all at a No Doubt concert in Vegas last night.
- Jesse Stay
Laurasweet: no, the photo was taken at 1601 S. California Ave, Palo Alto, CA 94019.
- Robert Scoble
ah, thanks. clearly I'm having an off day:)
- laurasweet
I just spent $20 on them yesterday so I have more invested than Allen :-P
- Jesse Stay
I agree Mat Man - cinematic genius.
- Paul Holmes
Ditto to MatMan and Paul Holmes
- laurasweet
Famous? Perhaps. I remember standing at the Infoseek office doors once. File that in the Where are they now? category.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Jesse - I tried to give them $300 - they wouldn't take it! :) Google always takes my money
- Allen Stern
looks like tampa, florida to me.
- RODNEY OLIVER
I really miss the HotBot Affiliate Program.
- Paul Holmes
Alan: when I travel around the world people are enamored of Facebook. In Israel kids were giddy over Facebook. To them Zuckerberg is a new hero and they'd love to visit Facebook's headquarters. Will that last? I don't know, but it's definitely true now.
- Robert Scoble
Rodney: it's sort of like Tampa, Florida, without the humidity, the big bugs, etc. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Plus it's a couple of blocks away from Hewlett Packard's headquarters (and where the Wall Street Journal is printed for the Western United States).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, no argument from me. My mother-in-law is on Facebook. It's not going anywhere soon.
- CAJ, somewhere else
i dont know but i really like it, love the light and composition
- Andre Vautour
Here's a map: http://maps.google.com/maps... It's also very close to where PodTech had its offices.
- Robert Scoble
I love Google's street view, by the way. You can use the Google Map to look around and see more of what Facebook's new headquarters looks like.
- Robert Scoble
Street View: http://maps.google.com/maps...
- Robert Scoble
That's the front of the building. I shot my photo of the back parking lot up the street a bit.
- Robert Scoble
OMG CANNOT WAIT!!!
- sofarsoShawn
I love how Google's street view cameras caught a sign in the front that says "Available."
- Robert Scoble
Funny, that building housed an IBM lab 30 years ago!
- Scott Loftesness
Beautiful.. thanks for the pic etc Robert.
- Kurt von Schleicher
I was in the area on Saturday, too bad I got this too late I would have drove by.
- Michael Bazzoni
We added a 1-click login for Twitter users, so now it's easy for all your friends to try http://friendfeed.com
Liz, hIpPy, Adam and 419 other people liked this
To RT, click http://twitter.com/home... It uses OAuth, so no password is required, and it automatically finds your Twitter friends on FriendFeed! It also imports your profile and picture. Big thanks to http://friendfeed.com/bgolub for making all this happen! (also, existing users can go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... to find Twitter, Facebook, and Gmail friends)
- Paul Buchheit
fan bloody tastic! So we can post here and Twitterers can comment away without any complaints! The only think you need to try and do is bring in comments (about a share) from twitter into here! :)
- Zee.
This is great...should help new users quite a bit.
- Mark Krynsky
Bravo!!! Very nice!
- David Cook
nice
- Joe Azzara
thanks for making it effortless
- Vedran Agovic
That's fantastic! Keep it up guys!! :)
- Internet's Tad
I'm hoping this will help to entice people over here. I'd much rather talk to people via FF than Twitter
- WorldofHiglet
FrF + OAuth. Like.
- tobe
Refresh your FriendFeed to see an updated first comment from Paul, including a link to RT this news: http://twitter.com/home...
- Dan Hsiao
OK, I admit I'm dense. As an existing user will this help me find the folks I follow on Twitter?
- Laura Norvig
Cool, is it possible we could have the ability to bulk import or non-FF Twitter friends as private feeds so we can track them in FF? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Laura, existing FriendFeed users should just go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... and click on the Twittter (and Facebook and Google) icons to find their friends. Kol, not yet, but I'm hoping to add something like that soon (improved imaginary friends).
- Paul Buchheit
Thx, Paul - guess I haven't been to that page since the launch. btw, I'm definitely coming around to the new friendfeed (colors notwithstanding).
- Laura Norvig
Great to see the standards working -OAuth fro Gogole and Twitter login on Friendfeed
- Kevin Marks
That's a great tool, Paul! Found a few from Twitter and Facebook I didn't realise were on FF...:)
- WorldofHiglet
Oh man, that is suh-weet. Works really well.
- Laura Norvig
Paul, that would be wonderful, thank you. I'm keen to use FF as a kinda Twitter client. I'd love the ability to import my group I've created on Tweetvisor too but that would additionally require exporting facilities from Tweetvisor, and from asking them they've told me it's low priority (which is fair enough).
- Kol Tregaskes
That's fantastic! Sharing with all of my not-yet-friendfeedified twitter friends. Thanks, Paul!
- Eric Johnson
This IS good. Thanks for the hard work, Benjamin Golub.
- Micah Wittman
Love that you guys are making the entry more enticing. What about refining what FriendFeed is further? Like: Twitter + conversation. For new people who don't get it and most without the time to get it, simplifying the message or experimenting further with your "first impression" on your splash page might be worth a try. Example: wouldn't it be cool to have a live conversation streaming to show just how FF has a leg up on the scattered Twitter stream?
- kilbuda
this is fabulous!!!
- Angela P.
It's so convenient for new comer like me!
- tsssimon
Just tried it and it works great.
- Iván Abrego
i have tried this too and am richer by 33 Twitter friends
- jagannath rao
Nice work. Keeps getting better around here :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
WOW! 313 new Twitter people! Amazing what the OAuth did. Amazing. That just completely Rocks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
That was just too easy, and found a bunch of Twitter people. I just subscribed, but I hope they participate. I'm sure I'll have to trim later.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Thanks for everything Benjamin and the others, that is really great. :)
- Alp
I was subscribed to exactly 100 of the people I follow on Twitter. Added 93 more. Funny, this is actually helping me find people I *don't* want to follow in either place.
- Laura Norvig
I'm looking forward to the "advanced imaginary friends" section which lets me as an existing FriendFeed user view all the twitter updates from people that don't use FriendFeed.
- Brian Sloane
很好，继续努力
- Kunshou（困兽）
Sweet!
- Don Strickland
Just posted this to my stream then saw this, Cool stuff Paul
- Charlie Anzman
Some time ago I spent lots of time in removing my Facebook-Friendfeed integration, and didn't succeed, Facebook refused to remove it. Since that - no info about any other my services to Facebook, ever.
- orie
Happy to hear that there will be an improved imaginary friend option!
- Jacob
The improved imaginary friend feature will be great. No need to visit Twitter much then!
- Pinksy
How do we give virtual bucks to Paul, oh I see a like button here. Off to work on the influence funnel, who cares about dollars, I want eyes ;)
- Mark Essel
FriendFeed is constantly bringing new value to the service. I'm loving it!
- Amie Gillingham
its relay cool
- Kaspar Minosiants
great idea
- andy brudtkuhl
Oh Thanks i was looking for something like this
- Asahi
Is the imaginary friends feature completely disabled for the moment? Or am I just not looking in the right place?
- Mark Jacobs
Mark: imaginary friends have been replaced by groups.
- Robert Scoble
When is OpenID coming up?
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
This feature is AWESOME :) Bravo!
- Iain Baker
I just imported 8,000 new Twitter friends. Worked MUCH BETTER than last time.
- Robert Scoble
Smart move guys. A quick way to grow FF users is to tap into the current hot properties. Can't believe other Social Networks are so slow to respond.
- Neill Adamson
Paul, is there a way to sync it so that people I no longer follow on Twitter are unfollowed on FriendFeed?
- Jorge Escobar
Great news on the advanced imaginary friends. That plus the ability to comment back to Facebook posts as easily as we reply to Twitter would be killer.
- Kevin Kuphal
Finally! :-)
- Richard Joerges
Personally, I am having problems logging in and logging out of friendfeed. I receive the following error: Access Denied The resource you requested is private. You may be able to access it if you sign in to a different FriendFeed account, or there may just be an error in our service. We apologize for the inconvenience. If you see this error happening a lot, please let us know in our support forum. Return to the FriendFeed homepage
- Bryan Penczak
Then, I am forced to log back in, where friendfeed says that I have not given access to twitter/facebook. I log in with my friendfeed account, and at first it didn't work, but now it does. The only way I was able to log back in to friendfeed was to have myself logged back in to twitter or facebook within the same browser. Something's weird.
- Bryan Penczak
Not sure why this wasn't implemented a while ago but it's a welcome addition.
- Jason Williams
None of my Facebook contacts are on ff.
- JECO Photo
So how do existing FF members use it?
- Tiffany Monhollon
Ca passe 50 fois par jour ce truc là sur FriendFeed ! C''est pas possible d'arr^ter, j'en ai marre de le voir franchement ... ^^
- Jean-Marie Gall
from twhirl
Tiffany, existing FF members should go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... to find their Twitter, Facebook, and Gmail friends.
- Paul Buchheit
Encore ?? C'est pas possible ! ;(
- Jean-Marie Gall
from twhirl
RT'd ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Robert cannot seem to do that with groups. What I want to do: Concentrate different RSS feeds (e.g. newswires) which do not necessarily have an account in any other social network into one imaginary friend's collection of feeds.
- Mark Jacobs
Mark, "groups" (formerly "rooms") are able to import feeds just like regular users (and imaginary friends). See https://friendfeed.com/xoogle-... for example (imports the blogs of all known xoogle startups). The only thing special about imaginary friends is that they don't have usernames (or rather we assign a random 128 bit username).
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, the DM option on imaginary friends should perhaps be removed. Also, imaginary friends do not show up on the search dropdown list when you type in their name in the search box.
- Kol Tregaskes
Paul, is it possible to automatically create "imaginary friends" from twitter following list? What I would like is to read all my Twitter in FriendFeed; many of twitterers though are not on FF, so I have to create them by hand which is tedious. Also, it would be nice to allow to add them to some special list.
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar, see my comment up in the middle and Paul's reply. Looks like FF are working on it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Nice tool, discovered some more contacts !
- François Granger
love this guys wonderful
- Thomas Power
This must be the reason for all the new follows I've been getting over the last few days. Congrats!
- Michael Fidler
That's actually quite useful. Thank you!
- snapixel
Still would like an imaginary friend than making bunch of Groups to simulate peoples that doesn’t use FF. BTW, unlike the Facebook Connect login, when I tried logging in using Twitter, it made a new account for me on FF instead of opening my own (which also has Twitter activity added).
- Natsuki Seika
ditto to natsuki...
- Steve Austin
Wow, real nice and simply to add my Twitter friends :O
- Rosenkrieger
Good move!
- Lantrix
Is it possible to add this to a wordpress blog?
- Arturo Pelayo
@Arturo: http://wordpress.org/extend...
- Saxtus
hi me sid m new member of dis site.........
- Sidra Kanwal
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