I'm the oldest of five. The oldest two (me and my brother Phil) are left-handed, the other three kids are right-handed. Our parents are right-handed too. It's too early to tell for my two kids (1 1/2 and 3 1/2), but I think they're going to turn out right-handed. There you go, nine data points for your son's survey!
- Stephen Mack
My dad broke is right hand two times in a row when he was six. So things he learned then, like writing, he does with his left hand. He also still eats his soup using his left hand. For the rest he does everthing with his right hand. One cool trick he has up his sleeve is that he can start writing a sentence with his left hand, switch the pen mid-sentence, and complete the sentence with his right hand. As for me, I'm a plain boring righty.
- Jeroen Van Goey
Residual effects of childhood polio have forced me to be right handed but according to medical professionals, I ought to have been left-handed. (That may skew your results a bit!)
- Jill O'Neill
I am left handed, however I use my right hand to scroll up and down and to search the web with the mouse. Using the left hand is just weird for me.
- Patrick
from twhirl
twitter is incapable of driving traffic the way FF can. the FOAF feature alone knocks it out of the park. which is how i was driven to your video and ultimately subscribing to you here.
- Carlos Ayala
This is as indicative of your activity on FriendFeed vs. your activity on Twitter as it is of the two services. Somebody like Kevin Rose or Gabe Rivera would no doubt see the reverse.
- Louis Gray
I didn't realize you could post 1080p video to SmugMug. I've got a 5D MkII as well and I am having plenty of fun with it.
- Tommy Williams
On my Nokia post Twitter is pushing 4x more traffic than FriendFeed is.
- Robert Scoble
indicative of activity? or of followers? its is obvious that the more followers you have the more traffic you can bait. i am incapable of doing the math but i am pretty sure that if robert had the same amount of followers here on FF that he does on twitter...he'd experience an exponential rise in traffic that would shadow anything happening on twitter. once again, twitter is not capable of doing the reverse.
- Carlos Ayala
Wow! That's an amazing video. I watched the the Full HD version and couldn't believe how good it looked!
- Michael Zitek
Carlos -- Scoble has 40000 twitter followers and 20,000 ff followers. I am not sure your logic holds. In fact if has 4x traffic is accurate it would seem to be reversed.
- Brian Sullivan
I believe I have a lot more Twitter followers than FF, though I don't really know since I don't really care. But if so, seems strange that FF would drive more traffic...
- Don MacAskill
I suspect followers are less likely to miss posts at FF than at Twitter. It might also reflect a stronger interest and/or different following here than over there.
- Internet Strategist
Brian - it seems to me that there are more avenues for exposure on FF than on twitter. on twitter i need to follow him to know whats going on with him, thats not the case on FF.
- Carlos Ayala
I will extend my point to include specifically what happened here. I dont know Mr MacAskiill, i didnt follow him here and i dont follow him on twitter. Though familiar with SmugMug, I never heard of him. If it were not for his post on FF, chances are that I would not have seen this video until days later...and not directly from him, but from someone else like a Thomas or a Justin or a Scoble, for example. I know that i would have never seen it on twitter. See my point now?
- Carlos Ayala
One in six people don't have access to clean, safe drinking water. charity: water is a non profit organization bringing clean, safe drinking water to people in developing nations.
- Michael Zitek
NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has ceased communications after operating for more than five months. As anticipated, seasonal decline in sunshine at the robot's arctic landing site is not providing enough sunlight for the solar arrays to collect the power necessary to charge batteries that operate the lander's instruments.
- Michael Zitek
from Bookmarklet
Ice.. ice cucumber?? Wonder if it's better than Mountain Dew...
- Mo Kargas
I've had the Ice Cucumber Pepsi when I was living in Japan. It was ummm...interesting. Not bad, just different. I've seen some of the others, but the little canned coffees are awesome. We liked to call them "liquid crack".
- Michael Zitek
I like a cucumber slice in my water instead of lemon or lime, I might like that.
- Heather Solos
On purpose or by accident. I work in web advertising and I don't think I've ever purposefully clicked on an ad. I've done so by accident when there are those ones that flip up half the screen and you can't click on anything else on the page but the ad.
- James Ferguson
I clicked on @garyvee does that count?
- Robert Scoble
People actually click that stuff? I avoid it like the plague and assume it's a virus.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I obligatory click to support people :)
- Mona Nomura
Probably a few weeks ago when I wanted to check out if that's something I was searching for. But it was not.
- Jianjun Zhang
from twhirl
I rarely click on Internet ads. Can't remember the last one I clicked I know that it had something to do with jazz. None in the past five days.
- James
I like saving cool ones for animation ideas
- videopixil
There are ads on the Internet. *turns off Adblock Plus* oh, I see what you mean.
- Morton Fox
I was trying find out who from a 1800 number calls me like 5 times a day, so I googled the number. A paid result for YellowPages.com saying, "Reverse Number Lookup" got my click. The landing page failed, though, it just took me to the home site, not the reverse lookup page.
- James O'Malley
from twhirl
Me, never. But ask a different demographic and you'll get a very different answer. Slashdot users are famous for not clicking on ads, but less tech saturated markets seem to click a lot more than we do.
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
I don't think I have clicked on one in a long time. I know that back in the 90's I've probably clicked on pr0n ads. :)
- Jay Cruz
haven't clicked an ad in ages unless it's one of those annoying fill the page ads that won't go away
- maryn
with ad blockers it becomes easy to ignore ads but then are we helping or hurting businesses
- Fuad Arshad
I've clicked on the Google ads on occasion when the ads that came up in a search looked like they fit what I was looking for
- John Ahrens
I've clicked on conference, professional education or cause-related ads - nothing else that i can think of... @hackmer
- Michael Hackmer
I've occasionally clicked on the sponsored links on the right side of Google search pages... but that is it.
- Mark Philpot
Yesterday may be around five times, sometimes ads are more relevant than search results
- sirishkumar
I click on ads if to support websites I like sometimes and the sponsored ads on Google.
- Michael Zitek
i just updated 3 posts with mail2ff after these posts, but no one can be display on my page.
- Avatar/ΣΙΓΜΑ
it's ok now. but it is not so stable.
- Avatar/ΣΙΓΜΑ
Mail2ff has not posted anything I sent it for over 12 hours. Should I resend? Or is this a matter of ask and make happen, instead of it posting automatically?
- Josh Jenkins
FriendFeed returns an error to Mail2ff for your messages. Resending will not help. I suspect that the two causes are: message subject is blank, image format not supported by FriendFeed. Work to return informative errors from Mail2ff is in progress. What image format are you sending?
- Gary Burd
Gary: .bmp; Though I don't believe that is a major problem. A recommended solution would be if Mail2ff can send an automatic email back stating what the problem was specifically. Hopefully it can handle that kind of Algorithm. Otherwise, we'll never know outside of this discussion. I'll change it to a .jpg and try resending it.
- Josh Jenkins
Work to return errors to the sender is in progress.
- Gary Burd
I will check bmps later on this weekend.
- Gary Burd
I changed it to jpg and it worked instantly. Make sure FF staff are notified of this.
- Josh Jenkins
It's amazing how many social media tools I saw in use today. Yeah, it's not changing fast enough for most of us passionate types, but it sure is changing quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Cool! I'd love to know what social media tools those folks in DC were using today!
- Susan Beebe
@Robert Great post. I loved how Congressman Culberson owned the guy from TMZ. That was a classic. It will be really intriguing to see how committed these politicians are to building relationships using the social media tools that they have at their disposal.
- Chris Rodgers
Amazing post Robert. What an incredible day you must have had. Curious to hear what Patrick though of it all too. So envious. I've been looking forward to this post all day as I could not follow you live. We are clearly helping shape the future with our efforts on there here socnets. Wait till GW hears that we are talking to people in Iran on Friendfeed. *chills down spine*
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Wow, this is great story with amazing amount of detailed use of social media tools. who would have known?! shock and awe
- Susan Beebe
Great article! I love the bit about the Congressman twittering from the Oval Office.
- Michael Zitek
I believe in the tech I was arguing in it's favor 8 years ago on the Hill but until it decides in a House or Senate election, I call bullshit. Robert I believe in the earnest and true honestly of belief of your effort. I am not talking ideology or what the people belief you think but until it decides an election they(DC Hill folks) really won't believe.
- Thomas Vincent
Thomas: do newspapers or radio decide House or Senate elections? I don't think so. They sure help, though.
- Robert Scoble
True Robert, but more so than internet does yet? But we are getting there soon :-)
- Thomas Vincent
Thomas: I think for people passionate about politics the Internet is already having way more impact than any other media. For those who aren't passionate, yes, TV is still the #1 way they get their info, but that's changing pretty quickly too.
- Robert Scoble
It is changing things, but you also have to ask it changing things across the whole spectrum of those who are involved in politics, i.e. the rich and the poor, the educated and the not? A system in which everyone has access to this that and the other thing is nice, but you also has to ask who all is included in 'everyone', especially in a country in which many people don't have computers or net access.
- Andrew Leyden
Think your theme loses out to Lawrence Lessig's idea on changing Washington.http://change-congress.org/pledge... Don't think it matters if a guy is corrupt and pork barreling and Tweet's or doesn't. The system is bad, not the toys they use to navigate it.
- Mark Forman
Perfect no Andrew, but those who have an interest can find their way
- Thomas Vincent
Mark: Lessig's idea is awesome, but Culberson disagrees with you. He is of the belief that if you shine light on things that the roaches scatter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert-on that point certainly holds validity. That's why discussion is better than a monologue because it allows consideration on more than one point.I think that many different idea and discussions are needed to make DC a little bit better,not even good or passable,just a little better. Ironic that that place was a swamp.
- Mark Forman
I worked on a "low-budget" Maryland senate campaign for Allan Lichtman in 2006, fresh out of college, and we were dubbed in an article by Business Week as the first campaign to fully embrace myspace/facebook. We had a staff member who's full time job was adding friends, and other profile management type services. Now, campaigns have full-time departments to do just that! amazing. Here's that article: http://www.businessweek.com/technol...
- Brian Ries
There is also a huge divide between the politics of the Hill and the politics of a campaign. The two are very very different things and those who work on the Hill usually don't know the first thing about campaign politics and vise versa. Both worlds will find completely different uses for new technologies
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I wish @BarackObama would post more from the campaign trail. No, I don't expect to be him personally, but yes, I'd expect him to have a guy or gal to post one thing to Twitter each day.
- Kirk Kittell
Kirk. I told Obama's tech guy just that at breakfast.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Did you find out if he ever does it himself? I mean, not all the time, but once in a while is it him who updates it? I guess probably not.
- Eric Florenzano
Thanks Robert - However, I might have appreciated it more if you had volunteered me ;-)
- Kirk Kittell
I believe the word we are searching for here is "transparent"!! I think everyone wishes that government officials were more transparent with their decision making processes as well as things happening on Capital Hill. Kudos to Scoble for shedding some light on a new wave of thinking from inside the hallowed halls of our government!! Even if the wave is too small to ride yet!!
- Nathan Finley
Eric: it isn't him most of the time but he says that Obama is the fastest keyboarder on a Blackberry. I told him (and one of McCain's advisers too) to use these tools interactively. We will see!
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer How is tech changing Washington politics? Interesting FriendFeed discussion here. Thanx!
- Barbara K. Baker
too bad there isn't a directory of Govt folks to show who's on online using social networking tools like twitter, FF, Qik, etc.
- Susan Beebe
Still pains me to think about how tech-illiterate McCain is-- remember his interview on TechCrunch. The tech future's in much better hands with Obama, but that's an argument for a different time and place.
- Harish V
He thinks tech isn't important. Obama is going to make this one of a number of issues they nail McCain on. Many in Washington are saddened that he has changed his tone and positions to cowtow to religious right.
- Robert Scoble
A really deep insight here about what is driving a revolutionary civilizational change in text media: print is INERT. Digital is globally interactive 9,999 ways to Sunday.
- Sean McBride
Books aren't "info gathering" but rather something deeper. As far as ephemeral media goes, I do still read Harper's magazine. The nice thing is they've put their entire archive online in PDF form for subscribers, so if I really need to discuss an article with a friend, I can send it to them easily.
- Jason Wehmhoener
speaking of that, anyone know of a good, reliable pen scanner?
- joneilortiz
At least for me books, magazines, and other printed material definitely have their place. Technical books are handy for a quick reference when I'm at home and for some things I like the ability to mark up a piece of paper with a highlighter, fold it up, and stick it in my pocket with out having to worry about losing, it breaking it, or it's batteries running out. I do however, get most of my info via the web and other electronic means.
- Michael Zitek
@stephenandrewlynch I wouldn't restrict this to news only at all.
- Hal Rottenberg
from twhirl
@andyc I still read a book at night, but my wife reads fark.com with my Windows Mobile phone. :)
- Hal Rottenberg
from twhirl
We (my wife and I) read in bed often. We have no tv in the bedroom because watching tv is not what bedrooms are for ;)
- Ray Slakinski
from twhirl
I read each night as well. I am reading on a Kindle now though, and I often make notes as I read. I would love a way to tag, bookmark or share things. I subscribe to and read Slate on my Kindle, and often fire up my computer to share an article I liked. I agree with your statement Leo.
- Sean Brady
from twhirl
I read ebooks in my bed before going to sleep nearly every night -- and in nearly every other conceivable place (including supermarket checkout lines). Another point: the "deepness" of books is entirely independent of whether they are presented in print or digital formats. A shallow or deep print book will be a shallow or deep ebook.
- Sean McBride
it sounds like a cliche but it's true
- Marcel Weiß
newspapers are dead to me personally.
- Thomas Hawk
If it wasn't for Sunday coupons, I would never buy a newspaper. Everytime I look at a paper, I think, "That's yesterday's news. I've already heard that."
- ha3rvey (free hugs!)
I also subscribe to the Sunday paper because I would feel "guilty" reading its FREE RSS feeds if I didn't at least subscribe. They tried to give me a 7-day subscription at NO EXTRA CHARGE, but I turned them down because I didn't want any more paper piling up in the house (I usually don't look at the Sunday paper unless I'm looking for a coupon) so they can't even GIVE THEIR PRODUCT AWAY FOR FREE!
- Thomas Ho
Although, newspaper makes for great and cheap packing materials. just sayin'
- Yolanda
I will always prefer to read anything beyond a paragraph on paper. I prefer the feel of the book in my hand and I can annotate a book far faster with a pen than pulling up any program on my computer. I am an avid user of OneNote but again that's really a secondary activity. Reading, analyzing, correlating, reflecting are all activities that require time -time that you can't collapse by way of the web and the tools associated with it. It has its place, but it is only a tool.
- Melanie Reed
As regards the Kindle, that boggles the mind with all the permutations of actions , some good, many bad, that will associate with it in time. Nobody's going to steal your newspaper on the bus or the subway. But wait till Kindles become de riguer and the Nike shoe thefts will pale in comparison. But that's just one example.
- Melanie Reed
I don't know. I had a neighbor who would drive by my house in the early morning to steal my paper before I woke up. I am sure people would do the same on the bus. :)
- Sean Brady
from twhirl
It is easier to markup a book; however, personally I never go back to the markups. Tags are way more useful to me.
- Bryan Clark
What did the newspaper office say when you asked for a replacement...or did you? :)
- Melanie Reed
This was happening for about 2 months, almost every weekend (we only have Sat/Sun delivery). We would call, they would send a replacement. Finally, we saw the person who was doing it, confronted him and it stopped...for us. We saw him nab someone elses paper the following week. :)
- Sean Brady
from twhirl
Ach, so it was a worth/risk/benefit scenario. As long as confrontation could be delayed, sleeping in was worth losing.;) I think that will get upped with a kindle. I think there are some who will risk direct confrontation for a kindle that they wouldn't risk for a newspaper in an enclosed space. Cheap licensing for the downloads but the upfront initial and replacement cost would seem to make it a target like other things of that nature. And what of library scenarios for the poor ?
- Melanie Reed
I was revisiting "Finding Forrester" on DVD the other night so this is all a little heavy on the mind right now.
- Melanie Reed
That's interesting. I tend to read print when I need to give my eyes a rest from the pixels, dogear anything I like and send the digital version to friends later.
- Cat Laine
from twhirl
Melanie - I find digital tools to be superior to paper tools for organizing notes. For instance, I can instantly retrieve very specific notes among thousands of notes on hundreds of books I've read over the last decade with simple text files and a text searcher like dtSearch or Examine32. Attempting to retrieve these notes by eyeballing hardcopy notebooks would take hours or days, not seconds. There is a huge leveraging factor in using digital over paper.
- Sean McBride
More magazines need to sign up for Zinio. I love reading my Business week on my mac or pc.
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
Hi Sean, I use digital tools quite a bit as well. (CIT background) I find them useful for large researches but I bring a LA mindset to a geek education. :) The process that I find works better for me is to marry the two. I use OneNote when writing and researching online quite a bit. BUT then I have and I find that there are things of interest and importance that are not online. Comprehension decreases for me with online and increases offline.
- Melanie Reed
By the time the news hits the paper it's already stale. All my daily news reading is online too. I still read some trade mags but that is dwindling.
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
I find I read the front news section of the paper less, but still read the in depth articles. I do wish I could 'hide' articles about Tony Mokbel though.
- Michael C. Harris
@leolaprote That sucks Leo, might be something you can report to FF's tech staff. If they can add you themselves to your facebook it might verywell be a bug.
- Raymond C
from twhirl
While *much* of my info gathering is online, I'm still a heavy consumer of print as well. I'm curious about other people's RECALL re: online/digital vs. print -- reason I raise it is because despite a good photographic memory, I've found that my recall strength seems to vary with the font and stronger with paper vs. onscreen. I'm curious if that's perhaps conditioned (PCs didn't start...
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- Casey
The Hunter / Gatherer (of info) speaks well; feed me some more...I'm hungry.
- mark dekruyter
@Melanie I've been meaning to get "into" OneNote, especially since I now have OneNote Mobile on my Sprint Mogul phone
- Thomas Ho
What are we counting as a computer? If you wanna get technical I'm sure I have dozens. If you mean boxes that can run a popular OS, then I have 5 that are all actively being used.
- Chrimmus Tad
3 here also - one old dog desktop, one Mac laptop, one Windows laptop
- Patrick Jordan
I guess two based on the traditional notion of a computer. Although I'd argue that there's at least 2 dozen devices in my home more powerful than my Quadra 640AV was 15 years ago.
- Mark Trapp
Tad a traditional laptop or desktop running any os flavor of choice.
- Mike Fruchter
Do you really want to know? Is a tivo a computer? How about a ps3? If I included those, the total is 10 or 11. Don't ask, I didn't buy all of them myself.
- Phil G
from fftogo
I could of been broader including smart phones etc, that's another poll :)
- Mike Fruchter
1 Mac desktop, 1 Mac laptop and occasionally my Windows laptop from work
- Bob
6 (2 media centres, ubuntu box, win98 game box, old powerbook for music in one room, MBP) + wm6 phone + shed with 8086, SE30 and others
- Nick Cowie
from twhirl
1 windows desktop, 3 windows laptops, 1 macbook and an xbox (i'd consider that a computer)
- John Duff
3 laptops (2 running ubuntu and 1 mac), and ps3 :-)
- Jaimini
from Alert Thingy
10 -- Three Windows Desktops, One Windows laptop, Three Mac desktops, two Mac laptops, Unix box
- Mitch Ratcliffe
from twhirl
6 that we actively use, probably another 6 sitting idle (legacy systems) - also every game platform (xbox/ps3/wii)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
6 - 2 Windows laptops, 1 Windows desktop, a Mac desktop, a Linux server, & a Nokia N810. I'm getting ready to install Ubuntu on another box.
- Steve
4 - I Mac desktop, I Mac laptop, 2 old Windoze laptops
- Sally Church
Three: one mac, two pcs. four if you count my [ex-]husband's ancient texas instruments laptop
- edythe
1 Desktop (XP), 2 laptops (one XP one Ubuntu)
- cmiper
3 that are up and running. I have no idea how many unplugged ones, but many.
- RAPatton
4, my main laptop MacBook Pro, a dell notebook PC in the kitchen, a Dell Media Center PC in the attic feeding 3 Xbox 360s as Media Center extenders. An old Dell in the basement.
- Thomas Hawk
5 - MBP, MBA, 20" iMac and 2 Minis. Also 5 old PCs in garage in various stages of disrepair.
- Jack Baty
4. imac as primary. pc as fileserver. dell laptop for work. girlfriends imac. oh, wait, there's a not too usable blueberry imac too. that's 5
- rob zand
3: 1 MediaCenter (home made) 2 Laptop (Toshiba Satellite) and 1 Music Station (Home Made)
- Max Zaglio
from twhirl
Two, one running Media Center, one running Ubuntu. Plus a Nokia N770
- Michael Tefft
4: 2 win desktops, 1 win laptop, 1 ubuntu laptop. Plus 2 pocket pc's and usually 1 or 2 computers from work or church
- Kevin L
1 imac, 1 mbp, 1 mb, 1 ibm laptop, 4 dells, 1 homemade pc
- Josiah Lau
from twhirl
2 that I use regularly (MacBookPro & Ubuntu tower) - plus, a media center PC, WinXP laptop, and a couple of towers that aren't running at the moment.
- Michael Zitek
my primary machine is a vista laptop. my work machine is a convertible tablet that boots between vista and xp. There's a third vista laptop that my wife uses when i'm using the main machine. Theres a media center machine that everyone on my team got as an award a few months ago- its not fully setup yet. most of the time, though... i just use my smartphone.
- Chris Hollander
9 = 2 Notebooks (Vista & XP), 1 Game PC (Vista), 1 Kids PC (Edubuntu), 1 Subnotebook (Ubuntu), 3 Media Centers (1xXP 2xVista) and 1 Server (Ubuntu, holds 4x VM machines) - And an understanding Wife (mostly)
- Rob Inskeep
from twhirl
7: 5 desktops (sadly 3 are emachines) and 2 laptops
- BCK
at least 10: 2 ubuntu desktops, 8 macs from a g3 ibook through a g4 mdd, g4 cube and a mac pro. xp in a virtual machine, that's about as close as i can stomach it.
- Ivan Stegic
6: PowerBook G4, MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, HP laptop, and an old HP Kyak.
- Tom Harrison
The results of the last couple of days' discussion about nudity on FriendFeed: more visitors to my blog, lots and lots of new FriendFeed subscribers, and a drop in my RSS feed subscribers. Hmmm...
I'm an ex-podcast listener as I don't have an iPod or other mobile player. I'll occasionally listen to or view a podcast on the desktop.
- Paul W. Swansen
Personally, I think podcasting has limited utility. Some things suit the medium, but most things, it just takes far too long to impart the information. Same as online video.
- Andrew Garrett
I listen to podcasts while I swim. Mostly TWIT and TWIP and sometimes NPR.
- Thomas Hawk
I have many ipods but yanno, music and all kinda trumps. Audio podcasts (read: talk) have to compete with music on ipods, CDs, satellite radio. I feel like an old guy listening to talk radio, seriously.
- Eric Rice
Talk radio type content is fine for driving, if it's interesting enough. But I can't listen to it when trying to do something else, it's just too distracting.
- Andrew Garrett
If you still listen to podcasts on a desktop, then you're not an ex-podcast listener. We mostly listen to podcasts on our laptops while working. Things change when you don't have a commute. Podcasting is just another distribution method for audio and video that already exist. Audio is great when you can't look at a screen.
- lilbyrdie
Audio podcasts and video podcasts and any other web video that are "talking head" video have very little utility in my opinion
- Brian Sullivan
Podcasts can carry so much information (NPR / RadioLab / TWIT etc.) - and you can hear them while you do other stuff. I would argue that it is the rediscovery of an old medium. No need to feel like an old guy, you're an innovator ;-)
- sdfx
Reading is variable... #1 - I can choose which speed to use. Skim over / In Depth / Etc... #2 - We all read at different speeds. Video on the other hand (in order to get full impact), requires you to watch the whole thing, audio requires you to listen to the whole thing. You can skip/etc... but the entire things is still X minutes long for everyone.
- Jeremy Felt
And... (too long, no?)... podcast listening would be fine during long drives, but NPR is so damn good.
- Jeremy Felt
Text and Video require direct attention (regardless if you skim or not), whereas audio is something that can be passively/multitaskably (heh) consumed.
- Eric Rice
Besides, I always wonder if skimming makes us dumb. No wonder Twitter's 140 char is so sexeh, cuz we aren't interested in detail. Ah, all hail headline media!
- Eric Rice
Of course it does. Gives us the attention span of <insert something with a short attention span>. That's why everything's always the next big thing half the time.
- Jeremy Felt
did you folks read the post eric pointed to, sample size 300 & only 1/3 own an ipod - come on... there are tons of excellent serialized books at http://podiobooks.com & plenty of times in your day when audio makes more sense than any other form of media consumption - i have more podcasts i want to listen to now than ever before - tons of super content out there...
- mike "glemak" dunn
I think you have to distinguish here between "off the cuff" audio and video recordings (what I think of as podcasts) vs purposed, edited/produced content. Audio books are audio books and have always had a function. Video on the web has a function. A bunch of rambling old farts discussing technology on a conference call is a waste of mindwidth and bandwidth.
- Brian Sullivan
hey .. wait a second there Brian ... as a cranky old fart I take exception to those remarks :)
- Steven Hodson
sure brian, as w/ anything in media, podcast format & content will appeal to some more than others and there is just as much signal to noise challenge in podcasting as there is in traditional media, more probably because the channel that is podcasting makes much better use of the tail than traditional media can afford to - just saying don't write off the entire medium based on a minimalistic survey or on anything from pew or forrester for that matter ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Wow, this conversation sprang up pretty quickly on my feed. Seriously - podcasting is a bad media type? Is that the gist I'm getting? If audio is such a poor format for communication of information, am I to understand that instead of talking to your friends and family, you express yourself through written word and emailed XML documents? Audio is the most basic and root of all communication formats. As such, it's difficult to compress without losing data. Still, for certain data, impossible to replace.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I am also a cranky rambling old fart -- that doesn't mean I like listening to more of me though. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
I concur with the comment that podcasts are great when doing other tasks. I don't watch as many video podcasts just because of the attention they usually require, whereas with podcasts/audiobooks, I can do tasks like cleaning, browsing websites, twittering, etc.
- Michael Zitek
Mark -- Nobody said audio is a poor format for communication - I believe the discussion is about podcasting -- definitely audio but a poor cousin to real time conversation or other forms of produced or broadcast audio.
- Brian Sullivan
I listen to very few now. Like Andrew said, who has the time? Conversing with friends is one thing, but passive listening... it's the same reason I can't get on board with video comments. They take me longer to get through.
- Cyndy
brian - what does "produced or broadcast audio" have to do w/ podcasting quality, tons of traditional media podcasts out there are terrible & tons of very high quality podcasts are created by one passionate soul in their garage - might not be what you want to listen to but that's the beauty of the subscriber model of podcasting after all...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Mike: maybe we are working from different definitions of "podcast" ?
- Brian Sullivan
Actually, Brian, you, eric, jeremy and others have all mentioned the audio format specifically as something that somehow lacks or can't compete with any other media type. I'd respectfully and vehemently disagree with that.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark: The only audio format I am talking about is podcasting. I think there are lots of uses for audio and video on the web. My definition of a "podcast" is unscripted, unproduced, undedited audio download. You are correct that there can be well produced, edited, scripted tight audio for download that is useful (in limited circumstances -- mostly for people that spend a lot of time in transit) but most is not of that calibre.
- Brian Sullivan
Where people make a mistake with podcasting is thinking it's some genre unto itself. Look, you are a brand and you may be published in a form that is audio, video, text or a combination of all three. Like it matters if Leo Laporte is a 'podcaster' or not? No, he is Leo Effing Laporte! Too much focus on the medium seriously kills the message. Like saying 'web video' is something different than normal video. I watch CSI in 'web video' format. So? It's CSI. That's why it's a struggle for so many IMHO.
- Eric Rice
Mark: my only point about audio format is that it requires the use of aural senses. Video can as well (listening to the evening news but not watching it). Video and text require the visual senses. That doesn't make it better or worse, just different.
- Eric Rice
I was amused once to see the ESPN podcasts being torn up by the normal ESPN listeners who didn't want this half-ass abbreviated shit that was being handed to them in iTunes. How funny it is in other pastures.
- Eric Rice
Thomas: HOW do you listen while you SWIM?
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
sorry brian, i'm watching the stanley cup final so more focused on that - your definition of podcasting seems very limiting to me (your prerogative of course), i'm much more about it being a simple transport protocol that many/any media types: audio, video, pdf, whatever can be enclosed, distributed and subscribed to by anyone anywhere for ease of distribution - so not just containing cranky old farts ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I'm an ex listener. I realized I'm jaded b/c of my preference for the written word. I don't listen to podcasts on my iPod and due to the distraction I won't listen to them while on the computer. I do catch some video podcasts on TivoCast but it has an episode feel that I enjoy. I can't devote the time takes to digest info from a podcast not to mention you have to visit the online shownotes or listen again to find a fav piece of content.
- Keith - @tsudo
"Maybe the real question should be, why aren't we doing more to fight injustice and suffering in other parts of the world like Africa? Maybe the way we are going about it in Iraq isn't the best way, but can we deny the fact that us as a nation should be doing all we can to help the rest of the world? Or maybe everything will just turn out great if we put our heads in the sand and ignore the rest of the world?"
- Michael Zitek