Glad you used the Bookmarklet to post this link, haha. - Eric Florenzano
OMG, you poor thing. You have to use Safari? - Cyndy
Meta meta meta meta mushroom mushroom...so if you DO write about rooms next, will you create a room for the post? :) Seriously, I haven't used or installed the bookmarklet, but the post was very instructive. - Ontario Emperor
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So far I don't get the idea of sharing something just on friendfeed. What's the advantage over publishing an item in my tumblelog (or even my blog) and importing the feed to friendfeed (besides the possibility of having pictures included in the friendfeed feed)? - Alexander Ebel
If you're already in FriendFeed, it may be easier to share it there. But if you have 1000 StumbleUpon friends and only 100 FF friends, then sharing only in FF offers no benefits. - Ontario Emperor
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tumblr offers a fine bookmarklet, too. And at least at the moment I guess more people would find access to a tumblelog easier than to friendfeed. Sharing over the tumblr bookmarklet publishes the item on the tumblelog AND on friendfeed - so why should I drag another bookmarklet to my bookmark bar (where two del.icio.us buttons are already waiting, too...)? - Alexander Ebel
I'm 90% more likely to look at a share if it has an image. It's like a mini blog post. With this in mind, the bookmarklet is the way to go. - Vince DeGeorge
IMO it's up to the friendfeed developers to make showing up images in imported feeds an option. - Alexander Ebel
agreed the Tumblr bookmarklet is wonderful - Jamie
In the general case it's hard for FF to find which images are content, unless there's a Media RSS feed. I was reminding FF developers every so often about MRSS since I wanted it to work for OurDoings, but now that I'm using the API. When people first post stuff to OurDoings it's not always in final form. Now people get it ready first and send it out via the API the same way they were already sending it out by email. So I'm no longer in a hurry for MRSS feeds to work on FF. Somebody else bug them. :-) - Bruce Lewis
I'm getting to where I prefer to use the bookmarklet over using link-ups from other sites like Google Reader, Mento, del.icio.us, etc. - Akiva Moskovitz
how do you use pimpmynews on iphone without Flash? - Jane Pyle
Does anyone know when they are letting more iPhone developers into the program? I signed up when they launched and they send me things like I am "in" but I am not! - Kelly Johns
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"It’s not about impressing the big guys, or being a big name personality. As long as you participate in the community, you’re bound to have a positive experience." - Mitch Wagner
Great piece, if for no other reason than that Scoble is called a "blonde-haired vixen." But as a definite member of the Z-list, I completely agree. I get so much out of FriendFeed and it has nothing to do with Arrington and Scoble. - Carla Thompson
That Scoble is a saucy minx, isn't he? - Mitch Wagner
Neither one of you are Z-list, so stop already. Mitch, as for you, I was just rebuilding my blog the other night and realized I had written an entire entry about your hilarious rebuttal of that Australian piece on Second Life "terrorism" last year! - Cyndy
The reason I get value out of FriendFeed isn't cause of me either. it's cause of the people on this thread. Hi Carla, Mitch, and Cyndy! - Robert Scoble
I honestly am consistently surprised at how the FF community works and am happy to have been included. However, I wouldn't so much say it's A-List vs. Z-List anymore than it is just some people are, well, LOUDER than others. A lot of us contribute and spend the rest of the time just listening. - Akiva Moskovitz
"Much like Twitter, the few first moments can be daunting. It’s the point where you have no one following you, and no stories popping up on your timeline to catch your eye. Before you can really participate in any community, you need an audience. And what’s cool about Twitter and FriendFeed is that you have an instant “kinetic” audience. A potential audience." – Exactly. I enjoy FriendFeed even though almost nobody reads my stuff (yet?). - Ole Begemann
Ole, well, you have one more reader now. As I've discovered, it can be a slow progression but I appreciate each and every person who has subbed to my nonsense. And I promise higher-quality nonsense in the future! - Akiva Moskovitz
Thanks, Akiva. I look forward to reading more of your nonsense. - Ole Begemann
At this moment I'm not interested in an audience! It's the perspective I get from the people in the comments. The sense of community is growing every day... True, I let my attention direct by the A-listers; but what they are pointing at, and the way they participate, grabs my interest. - SocialTechArts
Wait a minute. Am I the only one who's noticing that Cyndy is commenting on a FriendFeed thread?? Cyndy, is it possible? Are you one of us now? One of us. One of us. - Carla Thompson
@Carla - she's been absorbed into the collective - Steven Hodson
@Robert: Hi Back. @Carla: I've been dragged kicking and screaming. I'm still not happy about it. @Steven :P - Cyndy
Hey, Cyndy - neat. Do you have a link to that blog post? I'd like to read it. - Mitch Wagner
The great thing about the A-List twitterati is that they're here for the conversation and actively participate with us ZZ-Listers - as opposed to other celebrities who usually don't have time for the little people. There's not much room for that kind of snobbery here. - McCain's Buddy Tad
Yeah, I agree with part of the list, but I don't think I'll light my torch and demand a wiki. - Todd Mundt
"Steve Jobs doesn't understand the end user." Is this a joke? - Rubin Sfadj
I get the author's point but I think some of his phrasing is dubious. I also don't agree with all of his ideas but I do believe that the iPhone's agility is lacking and will remain lacking until the SDK allows developers to create apps that can run in the background. - Akiva Moskovitz
Goal 1 is to make the best cell phone and get tons of people buying the hardware - best way to do that is make an awesome cell phone. Social networking is secondary and can be added as software later. Web 2.0 also has to prove its worth as a business model, and Apple only gets into businesses where they see an opportunity to dominate and profit - I think they are wise to wait. Meanwhile third party developers will pick up the slack here. - Jason Kaneshiro
Gosselin-Ildari, A. 2006. University of California. "The meerkat (Suricata suricatta) is a small species of mongoose (Herpestidae). It is distributed in southwestern Angola, Namibia, Botswana, and South Africa." - Angela
The tutorial is missing a great feature, though. Highlight text from the article before you use the bookmarklet and it will "quote" it automatically in your share. Nice for picking a part of an article as a snippet. I'll sometimes come in right behind the post and add another comment if needed. - Vince DeGeorge
COOOL idea! Thank you Robert! nice add :-) It's now in my browser! - Susan Beebe
One thing that I don't like about it is that if you want to share a photo, it has to already be on a page. You can't just copy the photo from the direct link to the image. - Corvida
Agree with Corvida. If the URL is of an image, you can't share it. But I love the bookmarklet. - Mo J.
BUG (Mac OS X 10.5.2 Safari 3.0.4): The bookmarket will exit from Picasa back to the first picture in your set IF you don't click fast enough to save the entry. I was getting 80% of my bookmarklets disappearing until I figured out that it was a race. - Mitchell Tsai
Nice tip Vince. I'll try it. - Results: Sometimes it works. - Mitchell Tsai
Shouldn't DP related work be at W3C or OASIS and not some home grown standards org? I'n not against the work they are trying to do, I just think trying to reinvent another standards body is counter-productive. I saw this with Intalio and BPMI.org years ago and it took forever to move forward until they took it to a more formal standards body. I'm all for getting this done quickly, but I think they need to elevate this effort to a formal standards body. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
In more than 140 characters: Something big is happening. 2008 will, indeed, be the year of "data portability" and of the opening up of the "Social Web." In fact, the inevitability of the evolution from "walled garden" to open Social Web is now so apparent, that players large and small find it increasingly vital to wrap themselves in the flag of "open." Now, it's up to the community of the Web to keep the bar high, and call bullshit whenever we see it. Open means open, and "data availability" is not a goal that anyone has bought into; data portability is what we demand. MySpace's Data Availability is just "data on a leash." If users own their data and content, as they should, that means that should be able to take it with them, wherever they go, without having a revocable tether to the source, as MySpace is proposing. It's time to get behind open standards, like OpenID, Oauth, and microformats. Lock-in is a dead model. - John McCrea
Brian: the W3C has been clueless since the 1990s. Did they do OPML? No. Did they do RSS? No. Did they OpenID? No. Just what have they done that matters since 2000? - Robert Scoble
Yeah. I know Robert. I'm a former W3C AC rep and I know how slow they move. I was on a lot of the early XML, SOAP, WSDL working groups. Painful to see politics get in the way of progress. OASIS moved a bit faster, but never really had the clout. I guess I'm wondering what our options are in this day and age to provide a venue to get this stuff done quickly. I want friend portability yesterday, and I'm not sure who can get that done the quickest. What do you think? - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Don't get me wrong. I am not at all negative at the moment, despite having a bit of constructive criticism here and there for some of the announcements. The much bigger reality is that "it" is happening. The big players are changing their fundamental strategies, shfting from lock-in to "open". It's going to be fun to watch, and great to experience as users. - John McCrea
Open standards have some tough questions which are only semi-technical. (1) How do we handle people wanting different data in LinkedIn vs. Facebook? e.g. work e-mail in LinkedIn, personal e-mail in Facebook (2) Who actually owns a tag on a picture in Facebook? Who owns the wall post - the owner or the recipient, especially of a chain-post. (3) Who owns "scraped" data (ala ZoomInfo), and who has the rights to correct the data? I had to e-mail Spock to change some old data CONTROLLED by a defunct e-mail - Mitchell Tsai
I think we go with who brought us to the prom, and that's the data portability project. AKA Chris Saad and friends. If that fails, then we go somewhere else. But so far these companies are at least engaging on the problem. - Robert Scoble
I saw that Facebook entered the DA fray a while back, but is far as I know, I am still unable to find the emails of my friends, so that I can add them to my Google contacts. - Colby Olson
Data portability on social networks opens up OS issues (1) replication - e.g. loops, time-stamps with different clocks (2) failure-recovery & sabotage-recovery modes and decisions (3) control & authentication (4) telling apart "updates" versus "deliberate changes" - the desire to have different information in 2 places - versioning & forking (5) security, when the weakest link fails - Mitchell Tsai
agree - dataportability is where it is at. Brian if you think you have something constructive to contribute, join the conversation at dataportability.org , all are welcome, especially people who know how badly w3 et al have failed before. :) - David Petar Novakovic
Then to the prom we go! Onward I say. I want all of my friends to hear this regardless of whether they are on Twitter, Pownce, Facebook, MySpace, Jaiku. LinkedIn, UStream, Del.icio.us, etc. Let's just get it done. Data Portability, Data Availability, whatever. I don't care what it's called, I just want it, and I want it now. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Putting my head to the pillow, but eager to re-engage tomorrow. This is, indeed, a really important subject/mission. I can tell you from my meetings with the big players in recent days that there is a sea-change underway. "Open" is the new black, and we're all in for a treat. - John McCrea
David - Just signed up. Happy to participate & contribute to the conversation. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
@Brian - Amen - we all want integration and seamless perfection of our SocNets with OpenID, please! - Susan Beebe
@Brian My god... the first common sense thing I've heard regarding DP. - Cyndy
@chep2m asked me about details of why I was worried about data portability, so I wrote a technical note & linked to some articles/discussions at http://friendfeed.com/e/8455ae.... Way too many issues on my mind...touched on just a view. (Search the computer science literature on "replication" and "security".) - Mitchell Tsai
"winners don"t quit and quitters don't win" : catchy but oh so flawed. The excluded middle (true or false, and nothing else) doesn't apply to : win or quit. The included middle has : assess. - michael mcwilliams
How about cause enough damage to cause the winner to lose, then whine about how much better you would have been if it had been YOU who won. - Phil Boiarski
