Powerset is live. Can't login for some reason. Still not completely sold on Powerset as a separate company (as opposed to being part of something else) - Deepak
Sadly not impressed by the quality of the results, which are admittedly limited right now. Do like the UI though - Deepak
Agreed - a bit underwhelmed by the content, but it's a tour de force for search interfaces. - Matt Wood
Should HP be in the cloud business? I agree with Nick. I don't think this is a smart move for them. They could support cloud infrastructures on the other hand with servers, services and utility tools - Deepak
"I think you can guess where I stand on this. I believe that all data in journals, including (especially?) supplementary material. The ACS has serious issues with their permissions. There is a treasure trove of information out there and it would be freely minable (structures, IC50's, etc)" - Deepak
Having copy left licenses on data removes them from use by the commercial market (it's much too complicated from a legal standpoint). We need to think about how web services are changing software licenses as more appropriate models. If our job is to further science, we should set the data free. - Deepak
its that or break the system entirely and find a completely new legal framework as far as I can see. Not that those are mutually exclusive of course. - Cameron Neylon
I am in favor of a completely new system. There have to be multiple access levels, but fundamentally raw data has to be set free. Copy left here adds barriers to usage which hurts science - Deepak
but without a new international framework being enacted (not holding my breath) that requires a contract being formed between users presumably. And I don't see how that can be managed while also keeping things free and easy. - Cameron Neylon
Unfortunately very true, but similar things have happened before - Deepak
I don't agree that copyleft hurts science. If Business can get over their phony opposition against copyleft, I don't see any reason how business cannot use the data. I would put the blame on the greed, inertia and unwarranted biases of business community than copyleft. If your argument is to hold true, there should be no businesses based on copyleft licenses in the software field. Rather, there are progressive companies that has built successful business models over copyleft. - Krishnan Subramanian
I will never agree over any argument that others should bend their way of life to make business community thrive. Why I am not seeing a movement inside business community where they say "hey we are being too greedy, we should bend ourselves a bit to play the game". Why do I always see people who ask Free software or Science to bend their way to placate business community. - Krishnan Subramanian
BTW, I apologize for going a bit offtopic from this thread but my arguments are relevant to some extent. - Krishnan Subramanian
Software and data are fundamentally different, so you can't make the analogy easily. Data belongs in the commons. By attaching copyleft, you are saying the data has more intrinsic value than it has. No one has the right to copyleft genomic data, protein structure data, etc etc. What's on top of them is a different issue. - Deepak
Cameron, I read it from Deepak's link. It was a good one. I was looking at it from a totally different angle and as Deepak said, it borders around being dogmatic. - Krishnan Subramanian
Yeh, sorry, re-reading your comment I see where you are coming from but I still think Deepak's point is the key one. - Cameron Neylon
"I have the same concerns as Risely, but in the end the benefits and ability to add karma, etc won out. Tighter integration into WP, and most importantly trackbacks would be most useful, but I figured those would happen over time. Reasons I don't use intense debate (which looks prettier). It's less stable, and the community around Disqus seems more mature" - Deepak
"At my first company, a startup, we had two distinct groups, the scientific programmers (my group) which interfaced very closely with the engineering group, which then put those into production (which is kinda what Accelrys did, but much more tightly coupled). The challenge doesn't go away though if the two sides at least don't have some overlap." - Deepak
