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what's "the feature" that you speak of? - iluvgimp

custom RSS. just add it to your services - to get it, go to your Twitter home page when it's working and snag the feed. - Karoli

Ooh, very good. Thank you. - iluvgimp

iluvgimp go to my profile on here..tina explained it ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Thanks Rob, that's a great way to do it. - iluvgimp

for us less tech savy folks Karoli can U explain a little more how we do that? - R. Ferguson

that guy who took it away from Hillary. - Karoli

That's right, Steve, "The result: time-efficient information at the center of the user experience." - Christopher Harley

But Twitter can only do so much. That's why I asked this question earlier: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Christopher Harley

After reading this post, it just clicked for me that FriendFeed is very close to being an open FaceBook. It's potential as a platform is huge. - Cliff Gerrish

I agree with you, Cliff, though I do think that there is a complexity barrier to break down for users...I just went through the exercise of setting up a private room with specific people/imaginary friends/custom feeds. Thinking it through was a challenge. - Karoli

once it is thought through, it becomes simple to implement - Steve Gillmor

stevegillmor, yes...simple enough to implement, though I'm still experimenting with it to make sure it's what I'm after...I think I'm missing a few custom feeds that I very much want. - Karoli

real filtering comes next, as Bret discussed on NGL. KTB Twitter - Steve Gillmor

I guess this is a tipping point for me. Twitter is becoming a dead end. I suppose it's finally time for me to learn how to use FriendFeed. Thanks for leading the way Steve. - Ron Schott

@Ron I couldn't resist: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Christopher Harley

This is interesting speculation about motives, however I asked Alex Payne publicly about why they were doing this and his answer which seemed straightforward was that they were having trouble with the scalability of the XMPP libraries that they were using, and the design of XMPP itself, and so were implementing their own solution. As such it would be prudent for them to roll this out in a controlled manner. To me this explains their behavior adequately without the intrigue. - Robin Barooah

no intrigue robin. ALex' FAQ entry is very explicit. Just read it. - Steve Gillmor

rbarooah except that it doesn't square with what others have said about xmpp scaling. it can be scaled. They dumped IM and *invited* others to implement it. They published an API and *invited* developers to develop based on it. And now, they're going to uninvite the world, and make it elite. - Karoli from IM

@Steve - do you mean this: http://tinyurl.com/b3lg5c ? - Robin Barooah

it's beginning to look like twitter is the bush/cheney model, unapologetic and exclusive, unable to keep the lightning in the bottle without losing the belief and support of their constituents. They close the valve down to a pinhole size and we wait for them to send the ransom note. They may have the high ground but now rather than being the mansion on the hill, their loyal users are looking for pitchforks and fire. - Aron Michalski from IM

@Karoli - I'm not saying that taking away an API that you've invited people to use is good practice - it seems like a blunder to me. As to xmpp scaling - I really don't think Alex Payne was being deceptive - sure some people may be able make it scale, but Twitter has to get there from where they are now, and perhaps that's not so easy. All I'm really trying to say is that I believe that they have technical reasons for this that are valid from their position. - Robin Barooah

it's not that we are unwilling or unable to consider a premium service, but it's like being asked for your lunch money after you've been knocked down and kicked in the stomach. - Aron Michalski from IM

not sure I would trust Twitter enough to pay them, now. What if I paid for a year's worth of their service so they could slowly scale back what I paid for? - Karoli from IM

so what we feared all along with twitter is coming true, the bill coming due and we're a little upside down on the note. We were willing to pay for the service we fell in love with but now it seems like they want us to live in the guest house, share the bathroom and park in the street. - Aron Michalski from IM

robin whether or not the motives are pure, they have lost my trust for good. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice; shame on me. They appear to be unconcerned with those who actually supply them with content. Since May 2008 i've waited for them to restore track. I've gone through all sorts of workarounds while I waited. They said "trust us" so I did. Not this time. - Karoli from IM

I think if Twitter was acting in good faith, they would have put twitterspy at the top of the list for whitelisting. Bearhug camp anyone? - Christian Burns

the thing that angers me is that this conversation is not going through identi.ca and I had wished that as these inevitable choke holds clamped down around our collective wind pipe that our open alternative would be the place to defend our position from. My current configuration does not allow me to do this as they kick off 100 yards away, this being more compelling and lasting. Fuck... more... - Aron Michalski from IM

christianburns exactly. Tha - Karoli from IM

sigh. Hit enter too soon. - Karoli from IM

aron identica is no more or less an open play than a commercial venture such as FriendFeed. everybody needs to prove their value proposition and establish a viable contract with enough of the right users to make a difference. - Steve Gillmor

steve right now identi.ca seems more valuable than twitter, because twitter just walled their garden. Given a choice, FF and identi.ca will get my $$$ because they haven't violated my trust - Karoli from IM

Nice. I keep asking myself, how long will I keep putting up with this. It's my data, even if I am unimportant in Twitter's grand scheme of things.. - Francine Hardaway

Right. Identi.ca needs a good mobile app - Francine Hardaway

francine, twittelator works quite nicely with identi.ca on the ipod touch/iphone - Karoli from IM

I agree,; We're all "on-the-tip" here at FF - CLC Radio

so is twitterspy coming back? i needs my gtalk updates.. - Christopher Harris

@chrisharris I'm guessing Dustin is going to have to figure out how to get back on the whitelist and then limit users' use. - Karoli from IM

Wondering what the bandwidth of the "firehose" is. Tweets per day according to http://popacular.com/gigatwe... is currently about 2.5 million. If the average length is, say, 100 chars, that's 23 Kb/s on the average. There'd probably be a fair amount of overhead on top of that (JSON, whatever). - Joe Knapp

The first time you retract a previously published API, that should be the last time anyone takes you seriously. I remain amazed with all the fuckups and business idiocy that anyone still cares. Once I was converted to believing micromessaging was important to me, it became clear it was too important to let Twitter (TM) handle it. Technically, ethically, common-sensically - the company is a disaster. Killing the value-adding service I Want Sandy gangland style was icing on that cake. - Dave Slusher

Think about the number of social contracts Twitter has broken with its users. They are Lucy and we are all a bunch of Charlie Browns that never learn, trying to kick the goddamn football over and over. I'm fed up and have stopped posting into the service. I teeter on hiding all tweets via FriendFeed. The question I have: why aren't all of you fed up? - Dave Slusher