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What's FooCamp? - Rochelle

It follows the unconference pattern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Joe Beda from iPhone

I've stopped using Firefox on Linux as Chrome makes it look like a bloated mess. - James Williams

*yawn* Macs? Who cares. - Scott Carmichael

slow and steady .. chrome is gaining over firefox .. it has already lost me thanks to its repetitive "snaily" behavior - Amit

haha directeur :) - metalerik

i've forgotten to install it! wow is so fast! - Luigi Filograna

I want Chrome on Mac! - Courtney Engle

yes please! - Jason Kintzler

gotta love browser wars ;) - Friendfeed's Francisco

I love Chrome, and it's a nice browser race between the major ones. Great way to stimulate innovation :) - James Kuypers

Fast on Mac, but flaky sometimes - Kim Landwehr

only reason i use chrome now is that the area is larger than any other browser provides doesn't have a status bar or even toolbar, and tabs are in the window border ;) but i can't leave my old horse yeah firefox - ffcode

@ffcode look at this http://bit.ly/wuGi. i use a similar setup on my netbook and it's quite good. (i can't live with my firefox extensions) - progitto

The surprising thing is Chrome is so fast and got good market share and is yet to unleash the plugins which will sure bring in more techies and developers and the influencer crowd. - Sandeep Kalidindi

Awesome. - Paul Buchheit

Whoa. - Micah

WHOA! - Anika

Ewww. - τorƍue

Now we just need to make the Chrome plugin as common as the Flash plugin :) - Paul Buchheit

Are commas required? - dannysullivan

wow, my prediction was right (you totally need to put it in toolbar also): http://www.satine.org/archive... - Charles Ying

that is cool and cruel - Thierry Lhôte

Hahaha :) Very cruel indeed. Curious to see if this is adopted, corporate users who have IE may still be unable to even install a plugin... but at the very least this still lowers the barrier to HTML5 enabled pages. - James Kuypers

It is not even fork, it is inside piracy... this is provocation ;-) - Thierry Lhôte

Do the people who don't have permissions to install a non-IE browser have permissions to install plugins? - Sean O'Connor

Sean, think of enterprises who have IE6-only legacy internal apps. CF lets them build _new_ internal apps to HTML5, so that someday they can leave IE6. Otherwise they need to dual-target _all_ their apps to IE6 and modern browsers before they can switch. Painful. Also, many enterprises who feel it's too disruptive to move from IE6 may be okay with installing CF, because it's default-off. Let's say half of all enterprises do. Now the need to support IE6 goes down even more. - Daniel Dulitz

Fantastic hack but won't take off. Fix the core issue and get people to upgrade or switch, enough with the band-aids. - Dave Evans

Very cool stuff - Charlie Anzman

Now what about a firefox plugin? Is this open source chromium or chrome... - James Michael Mike DuPont

Dave, the core issue is that enterprises with IE6-only legacy internal apps don't have the resources to run a modern browser. CF fixes the core issue. - Daniel Dulitz

Dave hit my issue dead-on. Installing a plugin is a cheat when the real issue is educating people on why more modern browsers are better. - Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart from iPhone

Cool! - Kol Tregaskes

"education" is typically the worst solution to a technical problem. - Paul Buchheit

yes, education is a slow solution, because most people tend to resist change. better show them there is a better way without forcing them to change anything :) - George Moga

Do other companies limit what their employees can say about politics? Didn't a lot of Googlers work on the Obama campaign? I must be missing something - Robert Felty

Ah, sorry for the confusion, Robert. I'm talking about things like the current debates about Google Books, YouTube, copyright, fair use, competition, etc. Our lawyers at Google rock: they're friendly, open, and approachable. But they're also not stupid, and they have (absolutely understandably) told us not to say anything that relates to pending legal issues involving the company. - Adam Lasnik

And, as you've rightly noted, our freedom of expression in political, religious, and other contexts is not affected; we have many MANY Googlers who are outspoken about controversial issues (speaking on behalf of themselves, not the company. :) - Adam Lasnik

good to know that you have better self-control than Roger Rabbit. I - on the other hand, do not :P - Claudia Petrilli

thank you for the warning ;-) - Adam Lasnik

Thanks! - Joe Beda from iPhone

Very cute! Damn, they grow up so fast (I used to hang out with Joe before he had kids). - Robert Scoble

I haven't seen you guys post kids either! - Joe Beda from iPhone

Joe: I've posted them occassionally here and on my Flickr account, which comes here. - Robert Scoble

Here's a series of Milan, who is almost two years old now: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

He is such a cutie! (by post I meant after you guys had Milan) - Joe Beda from iPhone

great pics!!!! They look so nice :) - simone brunozzi

Ha Gary, that sounds like a great idea. Where can I purchase your kool aid? - Rob Schonberger from email

Can I safely assume you fall on the side of message passing, Rob? - Joel Webber

I'm too easy to read. - Rob Schonberger from email

Yep. - Rob Schonberger from email

OK, wow, now thats new. I don't understand! - Rob Schonberger from email

thats very fancy, Gary. I wonder what their performance is. I've seen the mess of synchronized & threads in Java. I just don't find anything works as fast to write as message passing, not to mention the reduced debugging time. Your thoughts most welcome. - Rob Schonberger

btw, a confession: I've never written anything using an STM framework like that. - Rob Schonberger

Much STM kool-aid was being peddled by Sun, which had designed hardware support for transactional memory into their massively threaded Rock processor. Rock appears not to have survived the Oracle merger, the STM hype will likely die down a bit. - DGentry

So it still stands for me: I've never seen anything but message passing work well in practice. - Rob Schonberger

But, like, most of the world runs on shared mutable state at the thread level. It only crashes occasionally... - ⓞnor from Android

I'll vote for shared nothing. - Todd Hoff

Dan, yeah, Java has really great support for shared state type code. I've found that a lot of the time, some hidden race comes into the picture, and someone has to spend a little (read: a significant) amount of time debugging it to find where. - Rob Schonberger

Gary, only one? - Rob Schonberger

why? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Rob: because FriendFeed has better wine. - Robert Scoble

Robert: don t have any offical data, but i received 100+ requests in 48h and the pace does not go down http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Ouriel Ohayon

Network effects. Did someone famous in France talk about it? - Robert Scoble

@Rob Sellen i think the main reason is that Friendfeed is better structured for conversations which is an important part of the french and latin culture. The other studpid reason (but not the first) is that FF is avail in French - Ouriel Ohayon

@Robert Scocble. not really, at the time i kept covering Friendfeed. but lately bloggers were interested in it and they migrate to it. - Ouriel Ohayon

Lol @ scoble.. they certainly do have good wine. :o) Ouriel... makes sense.. ;o) thanks. - Rob Sellen :o)

Ouriel: thanks, I wondered why FriendFeed takes off in some countries like Turkey and Iran, that might explain it. But in a lot of these places it's just plain old network effects. Twitter hardly has anyone on it so far, even though it's getting lots of hype (30 million people out of seven billion in world). Since FriendFeed has better technology than Twitter it doesn't shock me that some countries take to it over Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Robert: i agree that FF leverages better the network effect by allowing for eg other network imports. But eventually some cultures are more disposed than others. Since Facebook is very popular in France the culture of newsfeed is already mainstream - Ouriel Ohayon

@Ouriel Ohayon: Any evidence of statistical data, to backup your statement? - Henning von Vogelsang

Henning... if you look.. he said he had an IDEA why.. not THIS is fact. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

because having FF increses your Feeburner count .. but most of the ppl don't know how to use it really.. some have talked about his advanced search engine. but really the go sgnal was the feedburner user count. - Frédérick 2 Baro

I do agree with Ouriel that something is happening in France arround Friendfeed. The reason that we love conversation and that FF is a better for that is clear. The fact that is in French helps a lot too. Concerning the actual "buzz" arround FF, I would also say it's because of Feedburner Count of FriendFeed subscribers and French bloggers love this feature ;) - Cedric Giorgi

i could'nt agree more with with Cdric ;) - Frédérick 2 Baro

@Frederick we gave the samed answer at the same time ;) - Cedric Giorgi

Ouriel just noticed on http://alexa.com that Twitter was ranked (according to traffic) 109 in France and FriendFeed 4,938. In S.Africa Twitter is ranked 7th and FF 333rd. That doesn't mean things wount change rapidly though - Peter du Toit (S.Africa)

lelapin did he say it was FACT? - Rob Sellen :o)

assertive enough? that would only be in your opinion? no? he said he had an IDEA why... he don't owe anyone stats or crap.. it's an opinion.. an idea.. ;o) edit to add... in a way you are DEMANDING... - Rob Sellen :o)

The facts are that i observe a constant wave of invitations from France and nothing has reached that level from the beginning in Twitter. - Ouriel Ohayon from email

That's his opinion... he never said he had any facts, in his view it may be the truth of the matter. - Rob Sellen :o)

Ok guys, you're missing the main point. Narvic, a famous blogger in France said he decided to leave twitter for FriendFeed. That's here :http://friendfeed.com/narvic... - stanjourdan

If you're interested, i described this buzz here : http://www.tetedequenelle.fr/2009... (i hope google translation is good enough...) - stanjourdan

I've been active on FF for a very long time, and I confirm what Stanislas said: narvic http://friendfeed.com/narvic... has been the first major French Twitterer to explain why FF rocks and to encourage his followers to move in. It succeeded and some of his "popular" friends joined the movement. - Jérôme

email notifications and things like this just helped. I noticed this trend some weeks ago. That would be really interesting if the FF team could show some stats about the activity in france lastly (i asked but still no answer) - stanjourdan

I really don't think there's anything cultural that explain this growth: Friendfeed is amazing when conversations take place in real-time and when hundreds of visitors sign in in few hours, magic happens! Thanks to narvic, many users experienced the awesomeness of FF in just few days, and everyone buzzed about that. Some of them had opened their account months ago but they discovered the service and the community only in the past 10 days. - Jérôme

Stanislas, I think those new users don't impact Friendfeed audience significantly. How many new followers did we get? 100-200? How many new unique followers do we (Narvic, Nicolas Voisin, Autheuil, Eric Mainville... and French groups) now have? Probably less than 3000. And those newcomers probably invited no more than 5 users, on average. Those are completely made-up stats, but I doubt that this peak is that big. - Jérôme

@Jérôme : I got somthg like 130 new followers. II do not say there was a huge trend, but would like to know if i'm right saying that the trend began *slowly* (but surely) some weeks ago (and not 5 days ago) - stanjourdan

Me too. I'm also very curious to know if this is/was a short peak or a real acceleration. - Jérôme

More importantly, I'd like to know how much the use of internal services (native post, bookmarklet and email) by French users have increased in the past weeks. This is the only valuable indicator of FF's success, as new users who only sync their Twitter account won't find any benefit in using FF over Seesmic-web-like applications. - Jérôme

It's lunch time at SF ;-) - stanjourdan

I don't tweet. Speaking English doesn't hurt. Ouriel is rarely on FF and therefore don't participate very long in his discussion :) Friendfeed is good for asynchronous discussion too. There's a wonderful weather in Paris area. It's apéritif time! - Jérôme

Gin Cassis. And you? - Jérôme

The ability to import your twitter friends + a few influential twitterers... That's why I'm here anyway. - Germain Saval

Germain, it's a great tool to gain new users but a powerful conversation-killer. - Jérôme

I wrote a post about this myself... in French. IMHO the main 2 reasons are: 1. Most French Twitter users are geeks, so they weren't afraid of switching to FF, and 2. the small size of the French blogosphere/statusphere, which allowed for a pretty quick migration. And then, of course, there's the network effect, which started out on Twitter... - Rubin Sfadj

Not to mention Twitter is getting mainstream (at least in media coverage) in France, and that we're found of elite stuff ;-) - Fabrice Epelboin

Fabrice: Exactly. - Rubin Sfadj