This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- pb:
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- pb:
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Iphigenie
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- SteVe C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- The original Kevin
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
New blog post: Google Wave: What might email look like if it were invented today http://radar.oreilly.com/2009... Being announced at Google I/O this am
Sounds a LOT like FriendFeed. This appears to be a shot at the real-time social web (in relation to friends). However, I guess it's not as public which is one interesting difference.
- Brandon Titus
friendfeed w/ benefits...*snort* +1!
- Ken Kennedy
The "outlook" model is a concept that we can all dive straight into. It may not look pretty at the moment but leaping too far into the unknown will put off a lot of people.
- Jamie Vidamour
Would an OS look much different if the same "start from scratch" approach was taken?
- Cam
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Now the question for late 2009-early 2010... does FriendFeed need to integrate (even integrate into) Wave? Immediate reflection is that this will be more for tight-knit correspondence, ala email -- more of a threat to Facebook's model than to Friendfeed's (where broadcasting and discussion among people barely acquainted are the modes). Tho plenty of room for all.
- Christopher Galtenberg
The comparison to Groove, and the parallels to 'Practical Groupware' also occurred to me (BTW, thank you Tim for starting the process of getting a version of it up on Openbooks!). But what struck me most is that this reinvention of email and the erasure of the distinction between collaboration and conversation is essentially private. A large part of Jon's book was concerned with taking...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Gah. 'stuck me most'? 'Thanks you Tim'? I should wait until I've finished my coffee. Incidentally, I've corrected all these mistaks on the FriendFeed instance of the comment. If this was a wave, I suppose those edits would be reflected here.
- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Uh-oh. Looks like edits in FF *are* reflected here, but long comments then become truncated, and they lose the extra line-breaks. Hmm.
- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Reposting the second half of my comment here: Another set of problems occurs to me: We understand more-or-less the implications of having multiple email accounts, and our email clients have features to support this, but what does it mean to have multiple Wave accounts, especially on separate Wave servers? For that matter, when you leave Acme or Initech, can you take your waves with you...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Great article, just to mention that I really liked the text-to-speech feature, I'm a user that does read by text-to-speech, having it streamed, readily available was cool. The title is so what he said in the keynote. That represents Wave in all aspects.
- Zu from AOD
boy, if you messed that up it could really put a damper on your day. Some doof needs to try it and put up their fail-flip on youtube. Absolutely amazing, though.
- Rick Cogley
Thought he was going to munch it, clearly, he's not human.
- Will Higgins™
How many times did he try that until he got it right?
- Louis Gray
Not sure how many - but my guess would be that this guy is a competitive gymnast (based on the body and the setting) - things like this often come easy (when you have trained for a dozen years to develop muscle, balance and body awareness),
- Brian Sullivan
I can't get enough of this. Of course it should carry the "don't try this at home disclaimer". I'm sure they could run a whole episode of Amerca's Funniest Home Videos of people trying to do this.
- Mark Krynsky
How do you download a web browser without a web browser installed?
- Jamie Vidamour
@jamie: I'm sure OEM's are kind enough to install IE8 to the computers before they leave the shops :) Those that upgrade or for some other reasons don't get any browser can call those Linux-friends of theirs that do all their relatives' computer support. I'm sure they'll be happy to install "Microsoft Internet" for those in need ;)
- Jemm
You can still access web addresses from a standard Windows Explorer page by typing the address into the location bar rather than a drive location.
- Wizetux
@Wizetux: That used to be the case up to Windows XP. AFAIK and in my experience after MS divorced the browser from the Windows shell completely from IE7 and onward, doing what you said simply invokes the system's default browser.
- LANjackal
Whether or not this is actually intentional (I like to believe it is, just as I like to believe that Conan himself sat down and designed the set), I think we all pretty much have to concede that the new Tonight Show set is therefore already the greatest backdrop in television history.
- Brad Williamson
Ianf has pointed out something interesting. This is a natively posted animated GIF. That's new. Previously GIFs never animated when posted inside FF. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
The man's an imposter. He doesn't look anything like Conan the Barbarian.
- Gilbert Harding
I am with Eric (above) .. I thought it looked familiar too.
- Kreg Steppe
Fun - thanks Brad/Zee - Super Mario and Conan O'Brien...Fun
- Robert Freeze
I am surprised he kept "The Desk" Why do all the late night white guys keep a pedestal desk on the set? Really retro- like a fallback of a 1950s of a TV Broadcasting Executive, Don Draper kind of office - complete with a fake view of the Hollywood or SV Valley. If you notice - the talk show women and minority men don't use desks. Oprah, Ellen,Tavis Smiley etc, have soft couches and side...
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- Kay Designer
OK to help David and the guys with their new cool project, name your desire for 'Purefold', what would you like to see from it, what would you like to get out of it?
What sites/services would you like the service to appear on/use? FriendFeed is the hub and, of course, everyone on Twitter can get involved but any other sites and services that you think Purefold could benefit from? For example. YouTube for video? What site for audio? Comic, a video game? How would you like it to work on FriendFeed?
- Kol Tregaskes
ah, i finally was able to look at the site (http://www.purefold.com/) friendfeed harvesting as the first step towards singularity & tell the story as it proceeds - got it, i'm in ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
this sounds really very interesting indeed! if you need a place to aggregate/curate/communicate with video, images, text audio and links (V.I.T.A.L) please do ping me about Phreadz ;) http://phreadz.com (shameless plug) - something like this sounds perfect. Either way, I'm very interested to see how this pans out. Brilliant! :)
- kosso
vital = phreadz very nice kosso (you guys still in uk i assume?)
- mike "glemak" dunn
@glemak : I'm in San Francisco at the moment - possibly for a month or so ;)
- kosso
Kosso - sure - we'll be utilizing all platforms and online tools to tell the story - or rather - the audience will determine the tools they wish to use - as long as it has an RSS feed, it will integrate with the Purefold franchise.
- zeroinfluencer
lol - gee i wonder if phreadz leverages rss, hmmm - (inside joke w/ kosso) sorry ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
;) RSS, JSON, OPML - just about anything ;p - it's a universal social multimedia forum/platform with the ability to feed content from every major multimedia platform ;) : Here's an overview http://phreadz.com/x...
- kosso
Hey Andy, Indeed, Friendfeed doesn't have an explicit Creative Commons tick box. But the genius of Friendfeed is that comment lines (here) can be used to set a licence. So all you should have to do is state the licence e.g. CC-BY-SA and we can retrieve items via the Friendfeed API. Any import items (your flickr, youtube, blog posts) all should have licence applied there (licence the source).
- zeroinfluencer
Also, there are other ways we are interacting with Purefold groups on Friendfeed, which we'll explain over the next few weeks.
- zeroinfluencer
"Ryanair passengers could be told to carry their own luggage onto the aircraft as well as spending a pound to use the toilet under plans being drawn up by the no-frills airline."
- M F
from Bookmarklet
We'll be flying the plane ourselves next. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I'd better start training on Flight Simulator, then ;)
- Roberto Bonini
At what point do Ryanair passengers say 'Enough!"? Is a 'cheap' flight really worth this hassle? Really?
- Gary
To me it's not. I live not far from Heathrow and not too far from Gatwick and if I add the expense and hassle of travelling to Stansted, Ryanair is not always that cheap. Even without having to fly the plane or whatever.
- M F
I welcome the £1 charge for toilets. I will grab my paper and make the for nearest loo just after take off and stay in there till it's time to land. £1 for a private seat with extra legroom. You pay thousands for that on swiss air
- Jamie Vidamour
Jamie, there is no extra legroom in any plane toilets I've ever been on.
- Amit Morson
I don't remember plane toilets as particularly spacious but then again there would not be anyone in front of me who has to adjust his seat every two minutes
- M F
This is absurd, just charge a proper price up front
- Iphigenie
Airtravel standing only-get extra discount, self serve more discount.
- Ashish
It's really hard to believe that the crunchpad has come so far. I remember the early talks of asking whether anybody knew of something like this that existed, then talks of building one themselves, and now finally a launch prototype. Very exciting
- Wang Yip
kinda reminds me of a larger iphone
- Stuart Evans
Will it run flash? If it's cheap enough for newspapers to subsidize for their customers, it could be a finger in the dike.
- The original Kevin
yep, it does everything a browser does Kevin
- Zee.
I like the idea of booting directly to the browser. For the average person, they can pretty much get by in the browser and something like this is all they would need. I would guess however, that this is not going to be targeted at the "average" person to begin with but nonetheless I think it is a move in the right direction.
- Mike Bracco
Persistent data connection (i.e. 3G)?
- Mike Bracco
Big important question...how long after it comes out will it be available in Australia? I'm sold already on it.
- George Hall (Australia)
Looks interesting, but what interested me about Kindle is the e-Ink technology - I don't want to read newspapers or books on a screen. Fine for a Netbook replacement, large browser, but seems to be a different use than the Kindle.
- Stuart Miniman
looks awesome. This will definately affect the kindles marketshare considering the iphone is really a competitor to the kindle.
- craftsmen_atl
from twhirl
What are your thoughts on Google Wave? Has anyone tried it? Do you think there are some features in Wave that could be incorporated into FriendFeed or vice versus? What cool extensions would you like to see using the protocol?
The big thing about wave to me is the open protocol. It's like if Twitter embraced Laconica rather than pretending it didn't exist.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'd have to play around with it before developing a better vision of what can be done with it. I think how it's used and how it interacts with other services like FF will evolve as it's used.
- phil baumann
You can certainly see features like the live typing, the spell-checking and the translating in sites like FriendFeed (or in a FriendFeed extension within Google Wave.
- Kol Tregaskes
The translation tool was wonderful. I'd love to have that! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Phil, yeah it's nice to see screenshots and a video demo but really eager to actually get my hands on it. Though it sounds like it a few months off! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
FF definitely needs realtime translation. Google already has the auto-detect going on their google translator and that's been integrated into Google Reader for a while. It will be great to see it opened up to realtime services.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I love it a priori. Yet, I've some concerns about my future information management system (which is currently built on Google): Talk, Gmail, Blogger, Groups, Forum, Notebook, Orkut, Profiles would be merged in Wave, ok. Now, how would you integrate Google Reader and Docs (Photos, Documents, Spreadsheets, Presentations, My Maps, Videos... i.e. Google Web Drive)?
- Jérôme
Jérôme, interesting point, especially about Google Reader. What about Gmail? Is Google Wave the end of Gmail?
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader should be fully integrated to read and comment public posts in one place.
- Jérôme
Kol, Gmail will die naturally. You'll sign in your geeky friends on Wave, then your less-techy but curious brother, then some colleagues who need collaboration for a specific project and then Wave will run the world. I don't need a fax anymore ;)
- Jérôme
And for the transition, the Gmail will provide you with a Wave robot to manage your email from there.
- Jérôme
But how can Wave offer an alternative to RSS? Will a website be able to send a public not editable Wave, which support comments? Would a website be a Wave itself, with post as "blip"?
- Jérôme
Google Wave is one of truly innovative ways of thinking about web communication in a long time.
- Mike D.
from twhirl
And what about Docs and Web Drive? Google will need a Drive to help people bring private stuff in the cloud. But it will be very hard to integrate Docs. Why not just write a document/spreadsheet/pres. "inside" Wave? They'll really need to rebuild Docs.
- Jérôme
I'm also worried about the social aspect of this service as information won't be people-centric in Wave, contrary to Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook. I don't see any *public* stream natively build in Wave. And that's a *huge* limitation.
- Jérôme
Maybe Google don't want to be part of the social thing, except for Friend Connect and Open Social. They may consider launching the killer Wave-supported Profile service afterwards. But it's clearly not their priority.
- Jérôme
Something else I really liked was the way it integrated into a blog. I hope that we could do something like that on a WordPress blog too. Ideally that's exactly what I'd like to do with my FriendFeed posts (to my blog) and/or vice versus. I know it updates in real-time already when you embed a post from FF to your blog but it's in an iframe which is really annoying.
- Kol Tregaskes
For microbloggers, Wave will be big, for sure. I liked the demo of Bloggy The Robot: just imagine website like TechCrunch, Reddit, Digg and traditional newspaper with such a commenting tool...
- Jérôme
Putting my concerns aside, I think Wave will allow Google to kill many projects that need their own development program, too merge all their communication products in one. That should save them lots of time and resources.
- Jérôme
Nice coincidence, Inside Facebook just wrote a post about Wave competition http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009.... But they're missing the "public" thing. Which is very important, especially for early adopters.
- Jérôme
Want to publish something as public in wave ? There is an extension for that (reminds me iPhone ads)
- Luka
I think it's outstanding... I'm so impressed by the demo it hurts. I never even conceived the notion of record/playback of waves. It's like the conversation is being recorded and you can play it back. Google has created a DVR for online conversations.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, for Google Docs revision history users playback is just obvious :)
- Jérôme
Apply that to any online conversation and it becomes non-obvious and ingenious.
- Bwana ☠
Feature request: On the fly speech to text. Spell checker on steroids.
- Ted Gilchrist
Playback even works with gadgets... like games... this is crazy
- Bwana ☠
truly amazing, its almost scary to see how Wave will disrupt the web and its current services. i really hope they stick to the slogan "don't be evil". i mean, i like google, but i also tend to root for the underdog (whoever that may be)
- Kevin Pruett
I like what I see of Wave as far as using it for private communications w/in a group/company that may or may not be published. However, I also see a limitation in it's use for blogging as some of the best blog posts aren't the actual blog but the interaction between the commentors and/or the responses to specific comments by the blogger him/herself. Unless it can be updated in real time I don't see how that would work to improve a blog except to post what was said at the time of the Wave.
- Molly
Jerome, So I post a blog in Wave, people comment on it like in IM? I like that idea, however I also saw a post about it that said bloggers' typing would be public and commentable. Oh, heck no........ I have to revise and extend my remarks too many times to want THAT to be public. Talk about confusion. Then you have an issue w/copywrite infringement. Is my work copywritten as I'm typing...
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- Molly
Molly, you can check the draft checkbox, if you don't want to share your typing.
- Peter Stuifzand
It would be great if someone built in a remote control system so you could be talking to someone about a problem they are having with their system, then take control and show them how to fix it
- Jamie Vidamour
I just wonder about a small tool that is now used by almost every internet marketer - newsletters and autoresponders. How is Wave going to solve this domain? I mean - I have a visitor at my site, and I want him to receive a series of pre-written messages, at given delays (like - every 2-3 days). It would be great if the new visitor was added to consecutive waves, but I believe that one...
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- Adam Hepner
Peter, Then why use Wave instead of another, easier service? I like what I use now. Jamie, we already have Remote Services. In fact a few years ago I was in a public Yahoo Political chat room, had a problem w/my PC and a friend used RA to fix it while we still were in chat. It was funny to watch him typing nonsense in my name. We all got a great laugh out of it, especially when I made...
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- Molly
from email
as for incorporating features into Friendfeed. I feel there is a lot, if not enough, of them that we discovered and proposed to the Royal Friendfeed Team, even without Wave ...But what have they done ?? ...... do you feel they are dragging a feet little bit? not wanting to do anything? ..or is it an intention, to keep FF small, nice, commercial crap, large audience free? ..... what's holding us back ... hire smart, rev it up to the ever present perfection ! :]
- pb:
Thanks, Peter and Jerome. I'm watching the video now. Been busy so trying to catch up w/everything all at once. Jerome: My question is, after a blog is published can comments be posted ad infinitum (or until closed by blogger) as it now stands on the blogosphere. I frequently come late to a blog post and comment last. Since I feel I have something to contribute to the blogger and/or the...
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- Molly
Were there strobe lights, or no strobe lights involved?
- Micah
"coffeeshop camping" submitted to urbandictionary.com
- David J Lowe
Maybe he's a hi-tech street performer, what with that keyboard and all. Maybe he's playing for tips. Next time you see him there try throwing a quarter at him and see what happens...
- Thomas
"When Google Wave made its public debut last week, it created quite a stir, but without being able to get a hands-on look at the product, it was quite hard to really grasp the implications of what Google was trying to do. Today, we got access to Wave, and after testing it for a while, we can confidently say that Google is indeed on to something. The developer sandbox version we have access to is still a bit rough around the edges, and quite a few functions are still unavailable."
- jnman
from Bookmarklet
Google released a realtime gadgets API for Google Talk that's especially useful if you want to play games with your friends.
- (jeff)isageek
from Bookmarklet
this is another aspect of the recent Google Wave announcement which is built on XMPP like Google Talk is.
- John Hardy
I'm currrently watching through DS9 on lunch breaks and in the time between when i have to park my and go to work (2 hours if i'm on late shift). It has a few poor episodes but for the most part it is really good. Some great character and plety of time ot develop and grow even the more minor parts. The space battles in the last couple of seasons are fantastic and i'm really enjoying it. Nearly finished now though so not sure what to move on to next
- Jamie Vidamour
NG for me, the only series I could get into.
- Kol Tregaskes
And here's one more thing - in this real-time era why in the world are banks mostly closed over the weekend? I can access the website, but good luck transferring any money over a weekend and having it take.
Hang on, sending a message in Firefly was called sending a wave!
- Glenn Slaven
I think it effectively evokes the concept of rich flows of information.
- Daniel Shaw
No idea what inspired it, but here's my interpretation - communication is like a Mexican wave - one person starts, others join in, and the wave moves from person to person and back again.
- Elpie
Yeah, that's a good podcast if you're a Browncoat
- Glenn Slaven
What would be nice is if it could automatically highlight the good stuff and make big waves of the stuff that deserves to be spread around, not having to necessarily build huge blog/twitter followers over months and years of melding into that type of web communities to have a voice and to be heard
- Charbax
Because the waves are above the (fail) whales?
- Andy Murdoch
Glenn, the Wave folks would be the final word, so you'd have to ask them for confirmation. But it seems like a fair question to ask the team.
- Matt Cutts
WAVE =? Wiki Api Visualization Extensions
- imabonehead
From the novel "The Wave" about the rise of nazi-like movement.
- Allan Sørensen
Just be thankful it's not Microsoft's Squirt...
- Johnny
I'm assuming its because it includes all forms of web communication. "Classical" communication has been attributed to EM waves... probably a weak guess, but what the hell, I guessed.
- Len Estrada
Natural especially with the stream being a popular term, I want them to rename bugs to sharks :)
- Joe Dawson
@Johnny Worthington: That's even funnier if I imagine you saying it with your Aussie twang.
- Martin Bryant
The messages that bounce between participants in the conversation can be seen as a wave bouncing between walls. When this conversation involves more people, there's more interaction and more synergy, the wave may turn into a tsunami (hm... of enjoyment and creativity), which I guess is what Google Wave team hopes to facilitate.
- Nenad Nikolic
It was intended to create a ripple effect throughout the industry and hence the name wave. Or it might suggest that it was supposed to wash away BING!
- Saurav Verma
I agree with Glenn :-). If its not a salute to Firefly, it should be!
- grgisme
I don't know where the name came from, but I think the name fits it perfectly.
- Ocean
Well you can't go surfing until you've got a good wave - Aussie beaches got those. -[
- Chris Loft
I would bet it's a particle physics implicate order type reference.
- Todd Hoff
Well it's already come crashing down on Microsoft's Bing announcement. Fitting.
- Michelle Tripp
I guess because calling it "The Dog's B*ll*cks" didn't sit well with the Marketing guys..? :-)
- Andrew Terry
"Hey! Why don't we give our product a NAME this time? Instead of like Calendar, GMail, and MAPS", "I dunno...", "It worked well for Chrome", "Sure I guess."
- tehKenny
Google tells me "We liked how the word is associated with communication in so many ways -- from hand waves, to sound or electromagnetic waves. Waves also symbolized Australia for us. And, of course, who could resist the endless supply of puns?"
- Philipp Lenssen
Alrighty then--glad you asked, Philipp. Glenn Slaven, I was watching the video of the demo and I noticed that Stephanie Hannon did a poll of people's favorite movies and she included Serenity in the list, along with Star Trek and Star Wars. I thought including Serenity was pretty cool.
- Matt Cutts
Surfing the web ... riding the wave?
- Sajid Umerji
Say hi to your friends by Waving, they wave in planes, you ride a wave to bring you into shore, business is in waves, sound travels in waves umm sounds like they are wishing WAVE's of people upon their service
- JuneM
Communication - Collaboration Duality
- Tinfoil 2.0
A few guesses: 1) They really like going to the beach. 2) Waving is a gesture, 3) A wave is also representative of a stream - of data, of sound, of whatever.
- David Sifry
I wonder sometimes if the only people that care about the real-time web are bloggers. Virtually no one that I know in real life cares except for their Facebook updates
- Kevin Kuphal
yahoo mail doesent work on chrome update. but before yes it had.
- papachan
I actually was getting all my mail in Yahoo on that they're about the same. But Yahoo's SpamGuard is hosed, and their customer service was less than helpful. I've never not gotten an email. Gmail makes it a little easier to make sure that special mail doesn't go to the spam folder, which was starting to pissme off in Yahoo. Further, All my gmail gets forwarded to Yahoo, because I have...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ah - I hadn't noticed that this machine was already up to Chrome 3.. Argh - They keep breaking stuff in every fresh Chrome update. grrrrr - But still Yahoo irritated me. And I told them f they didn't address my complaints about their new spam issues I would switch to my gmail account. (address with something other than "Hi thank you for using Yahoo mail, we understand blah blah blah...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And I still don't like the Gmail adwords scraping the page for keywords. THAT is one of the other reasons I never liked gmail.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Everyone in twitter connects to everyone on twitter to collaborate, not to be human. I'm tired of the superficial dimension that all twitter "How can I use you" people use.
- Richard A.
I don't think twitter will ever evolve into a network of friendships anymore. For that there are far better methods.
- Richard A.
Absolutely Richard. Twitter has reduced to a place for self promotion and there are too many amateurs around to help them. There is no sense of a connection or conversation left there anymore, let alone friendship.
- Parth Awasthi
I've made some new local friends on Twitter I've started meeting up with IRL - works for me!
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
Melissa, agreed. Not everything about Twitter is as dire as some would have it. It's a big playground.
- Kate Foy
Parth I don't mind the self promotion as long as there's a personal connection and a dialogue which gives a background to the promotion. I want people to stop being so shy and share their personal lives and adventures. Reading about their work is dull to say the least. It's also just not compelling enough.
- Richard A.
Mellissa I lived in London, met at least 50-1000 twitter users durin my time there and on different trips within the UK and to Paris. As a result I know about the personal contacts and the degradatio that occurs due to time. I've seen how people don't have time for you once you're no longer local. I've also twittered 58,000 times and read up to 10,000 tweets a day. As a result I have a very good understanding of what is fun and what is a waste of time on twitter.
- Richard A.
Kate, it's a big playground, but being both young enough to have grown up with computers but not young enough to be a digital native a big proportion of those in my age group are still rather passive when it comes to new tech. it's tiring for me, as a user to find that not only are my generation not on the site but that if I was in other countries it could help rather than stagnate friendships.
- Richard A.
Richard, I'm just always wary of sweeping statements. One in particular, and which you touch on in passing, is the assumption that your generation is tech-savvy. Having taught in higher education for far too many years to mention, I am very well aware of the 'passivity' you speak about. 'Your generation' and the one coming up behind are tech savvy in different ways - but there I go...
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- Kate Foy
I spent ten days with retired people. I know just how much free time they have. On another note the hardest transition is going from London where everyone you talk to on twitter can be met quite easily, once a week or more, to Switzerland where you're lucky if it's once a month. After that add the events you miss that you could once go to and another sets in.
- Richard A.
Good list. Sleep Display is on there twice though and you can actually accomplish the same that as Sleep Display does with the built-in ctrl+shift+eject, which instantly puts your monitor to sleep.
- Antoniu
Lots of tier 2 and tier 3, plus some larger groups, Kyle Lacy, Chris Brogan, few dozen others. But Louis, Seth and Robert will link off to them. Plus Louis often has guest bloggers. You also might want to pick up Profy.com Svetlana sometimes writes awesome material on the social space and puts a great international spin on things. My 2 cents, for what it is worth.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
Scary. I always thought the echo was too much to get through, but now it turns out there are simply very few knowledgeable social media experts
- Alexander van Elsas
So basically you just read RWW, techcrunch, mashable, Scoble's and Brogan's blogs and you are all set :D
- Sasha Kovaliov
Depends what you're looking for. Louis covers the real time web better than anyone. Seth doesn't cover social media at all. He writes about innovative marketing. Robert covers the geek's eye view (very well!). ReadWriteWeb.com, for Marshall Kirkpatrick is missing. ConversationAgent.com for Valeria, and TwistImage.com/blog for an International view. Forget Brogan. : )
- Chris Brogan
@Chris - not likely you are a hard person to forget - I saw you speak in seattle a month/few months back. :-)
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
Yeah, probably shouldn't include Seth in a social media essentials list. He's just so good, I tend to throw him in any mix!
- Mark Traphagen
After recommendations from several friends and perusing his site, I think I would add Chris Brogan to my social media essential reads list. Deal clencher: his "about" page includes full disclosures of all his social media-related paid relationships http://www.chrisbrogan.com/about...
- Mark Traphagen
Mark: Chris is my favorite social media expert. Love his email newsletter, too, which is really his blog.
- Robert Scoble
OK....that was just deal clencher++ Thanks, Robert.
- Mark Traphagen
Alexander: I wouldn't say it's a matter of "very few knowledgeable social media experts", it's just that a few people are aggregators/collectors and if you follow them you'll see 80%+ of the "important" stuff. They watch the rest so we don't (necessarily) have to. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is really the problem with this whole approach. Why stop at what everyone else knows too (the 80%). That's a lot of echo. The interesting stuff needs digging and you will find that in the last 20% imo.
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: I read tens of thousands of items a day. I think it's funny that you say there's interesting stuff out there not getting found. If you simply clicked "like" on it, we'd see it and I'm far more likely to reshare things that get your like on them anyway. But, to get to the point, I really disagree that there's a lot of good things out there not being found. I have not found that to be the case at all.
- Robert Scoble
That's why I add the "(necessarily)" condition. I think this ties in with the stream vs. queue debate (e.g. http://friendfeed.com/dgentry...). Very few people can read *EVERYTHING*, so if you treat what the collectors/aggregators pick up as a queue and read all of it--via email, RSS, IM notification...whatever--you can just treat the rest like a stream and let it flow over you.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, you do not miss a thing on Friendfeed, that is for sure. I would never be able to (or want to) compete with that. I was actually more thinking about the world outside Friendfeed (which is a lot bigger). You (and the rest of us) meet hundreds of interesting people that do not have their content on Friendfeed, I'm sure.
- Alexander van Elsas
Robert: I'd suggest the the stuff that gets missed isn't fact or reportage... that all gets echoed and repackaged and amplified just fine. What gets missed is the analysis and opinion from the people sitting in the corner at the party. They may not speak up that often, don't yell anybody down, but just say really, really smart things every once in a while. If you're not listening for it, it's easy to miss.
- Ken Sheppardson
That would be a start. And if this doesn't cover it, I'll find the rest on Google Reader, and share to FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
Recent blog post by @Brad_King at www.themodernjournalist.com does a fantastic job shedding light on social media. Even a SM bumbler like me can grasp bits and pieces through his explanation. Good luck!
- Becky Middleton