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Steve Gillmor
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 11:00am PT. Participate at
Does anyone know if you can watch this stream via the Ustream iphone app somehow? - Kurtiss Hare
No, not yet. - Cliff Gerrish
I've been able to , once the broadcast starts, to find it via the uStreamplayer by searching for NewsGang - dlature
Good to know. Generally I'm in the studio, but today I'm watching via the NewsGang Live app. - Cliff Gerrish
woah, that's facetime? - Kurtiss Hare
Can't hear Robert's audio. - Cliff Gerrish
audio can be heard it's just really low - Moobie
Yeah, it's a little better now. - Cliff Gerrish
steve, if you flip your phone sideways will it go "fullscreen"? - Kurtiss Hare
well, that's nice, but not amazing enough for me to deal with ATT on my next cell phone. - Rob La Gesse
wow, lol - Moobie
Maybe if Robert were to ask everyone at Foo Camp to shut off their wifi? :-D - Moobie
@Moobie LOL - Alex de Soto
What's with "Scoble or Scoble Scoble"? - Kurtiss Hare
Don't move Robert! :-) - Moobie
back on - Steve Gillmor
Rob - exactly - that's why I am going away from AT&T on my next cell phone... Love my iPhone, but the service is pathetic. too bad really - Susan Beebe
Alright, who's watching world cup over the Wifi at #foocamp? - Jesse Stay
my skype got cut off simultaneously with roberts - Kevin Marks
Fed up. Sitting in Jiffy Lube w/iPhone and can't watch. - Francine Hardaway from iPhone
Mobile: that's funny. - Robert Scoble
well, i guess I missed it. I got caught up here (10:27pm) and gave it a try. - Aron Michalski
Steve Gillmor
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 12:45PM PT. Participate at
There are TWO Gillmors on the Gillmor Gang this week! - Robert Scoble
Live now on the Gillmor Gang with me, @stevegillmor @scobleizer @dangillmor @chrismessina - Kevin Marks
no video here.. - Chris Jackson
We are restarting. - Robert Scoble
Just hang out a few seconds. - Robert Scoble
Dan Gillmor's video isn't working, so they are working on that and we'll start shortly. Sorry for the delay. - Robert Scoble
A couple more seconds, looks like everything is working now. - Robert Scoble
We're back. - Chris Messina
Gillmor Gang recording session w/ Dan Gillmor, Chris Messina, Kevin Marks and Scoble - participate at: - Cliff Gerrish
Kevin- you're muted. - Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, I think I've fixed in on this side - Cliff Gerrish
Congrats on the gig Dan, looking forward to reading you again - Ross Mayfield
thanks Cliff - certainly OK here - Kevin Marks
Shel Israel's Open Letter to Mark Zuckerberg - Moobie
Dan Gillmor's column on Mark Zuckerberg - what he does not how he sweats: - Kevin Marks
The combination of 'terrific' and 'terrifying' sort of defines the edge of innovation. - Cliff Gerrish
Yes. - Chris Messina
Everyone's getting too excited. No matter how big Apple and Facebook get they are still just "nodes." Galaxies within a Universe. Relax. - Stephen Pickering
But it's also about who's leading the debate in the marketplace, and how that changes consumer expectations [of what's possible, or should be possible]. - Chris Messina
It's not about technology, it's about people. - Cliff Gerrish
Bret Taylor - Stephen Pickering
"Designed Facebook's privacy policy" is now a political attack ad: - Kevin Marks
LEAVE MARK ALONE! - Ross Mayfield
Privacy policy is going to be fluid for a long time. We're just going to have to get used to change in this area. - Cliff Gerrish
@Ross LOL - Cliff Gerrish
Scoble's talking about the public face of Business will be Facebook's not the enterprise in terms of functions - Stephen Pickering
Enterprise Open Social is gaining a lot of stream - Ross Mayfield
It's like the T.V. Networks of old - Stephen Pickering
good comparison with enterprise software SalesForce by Robert - Jeroen De Miranda
I've got your private twitter right here - Ross Mayfield
People inherently trust Google much more than Facebook - Stephen Pickering
I don't think people inherently trust any company. Trust is earned every day. - Cliff Gerrish
Scoble seems to be arguing that Facebook needs someone who is better at scamming us on camera. Maybe Zuckerberg can't explain what they have done well simply because what they've done isn't good. - jay morris
Maybe Facebook should hire BP's CEO? - Chris Messina
@jay Well Google sort of has that model. - Cliff Gerrish
Maybe I worded that wrong. Google's actions, and non actions have made it the most trusted Brand, and most Valuable Brand in the World - Stephen Pickering
Jay: you're onto something there. He hasn't explained the good very well. - Robert Scoble
Chris: Hire BPs' CEO so Mark can get a life? - Alex de Soto
Like Buffett said about Freddie Mac, "If you see one cockroach, there's more than likely a whole bunch more in there" As why he de invested - Stephen Pickering
well, scoble, you use to express all of those likes and tags and comments - Kevin Marks
All restaurants have cockroaches. All restaurants aren't Freddie Mac. - Cliff Gerrish
Not too long ago net apps were all beta-beta-beta. users had base expectations that things would be funky and would change. Now the ugly Fcbook app makes a few changes on the fly and people freak out. Why? - Frank Paynter
Kevin: show me a single system where I can drag a photo to and see all that stuff work. - Robert Scoble
When "beta" loses its meaning — or a new class of user comes along and doesn't understand what it means — "beta" is no longer an effective disclaimer. - Chris Messina
If you design for privacy it will crumble under its complexity. If you design for sharing it can respect privacy while being simply usable. - Ross Mayfield
for it to work you need more than one system to do it, which is why it takes time to agree - Kevin Marks
Microsoft continued to grow even though they were not trustworthy, doesn't mean they were right - Stephen Pickering
we also need to design an experience that can be adopted incrementally (by users). - Chris Messina
And just why did consumers trust Farmville with their information? - Alex de Soto
They didn't — they simply wanted to play a game. - Chris Messina
@chris +1 - Ross Mayfield
People aren't interested in hearing what Facebook is "doing." They only care if there's a problem. - Cliff Gerrish
@chris this is like asking Phillipe Kahn to keep end users apprised of changes in the sensor apps on Apple prods. - Frank Paynter
Isn't all this talk about trusting information just picking and choosing what "information" is defined as? Isn't every single interaction with any site information? Isn't, well, everything, information that can be captured? If you interact at all with the Internet, haven't you already trusted your information to something/someone? - Kevin Costain
I expect that sites like Facebook are redefining what information is, and working to find new ways to capture (and possibly share) that information.. - Kevin Costain
Facebook is just a website... my credit union has tighter security but I've chosen to use each and do my best to make sure my use of one doesn't bleed into the other. - Frank Paynter
opt in at every step is a function that we'd mostly turn off if we could. annoying - Frank Paynter
exactly. - Chris Messina
People somehow think they can control interactions in the online world that they know they can't in the offline world. - Cliff Gerrish
Opt-In means off, and most probably don't even know how to turn it on.. - Kevin Costain
yep. - Chris Messina
nobody changes defaults. and its easy to overwhelm users with a paradox of choice to the point where they paralyze - Ross Mayfield
but those who do, probably really care and make deeper use of the system or tool. - Chris Messina
is it true that Federated Media is making a play for Facebook? - Frank Paynter
Frank: Huh? Where would FM come up with billions? - Robert Scoble
transparency has to be on all levels - not just us at the bottom - Xenophrenia
Yeah, really 25B and counting - Stephen Pickering
gotcha! - Frank Paynter
too much of this everyone has to be transparent talk seems to pertain to the 'masses' - those at the top have the right to keep things private - like corporations - it all has to be brought out - not just our stuff - Xenophrenia
(no, really... J.Calacanis is helping FM get leverage by offering a lien on his car) - Frank Paynter
most people have no real understanding of just how 'public' the internet is - Xenophrenia
cool, EULAs on every packet - Vezquex
I don't get why Scoble's anecdotes are dismissed because he's not an average user, but Steve's teenage daughter is an acceptable proxy for all teens - Richard
we'd need "social EULAs" since the data would have social residue from multiple parties. - Chris Messina
privacy from your parents is easier than privacy from the world - Vezquex
people don't understand it - not that they don't care - Xenophrenia
we federated email just fine. - Chris Messina
We need an "information bureaucracy" in each packet. Self administered.. :) - Kevin Costain
Xeno: I totally disagree. - Robert Scoble
Nobody cares about identity theft until it happens. Nobody cares about health care until they are sick. Nobody cares about privacy until its broken. - Ross Mayfield
Chris: but email STARTED federated and there's no network effect by not being on Gmail. - Robert Scoble
robert - i know a lot of people that don't understand what is going on - and don't care because it's too difficult ... - Xenophrenia
Richard, Scoble said 'teens don't care', hence mentioning specific teens. look at danah boyd's work for more - Kevin Marks
Humans would end up curled up in a ball in the corner if they had to worry about everything BEFORE these things affected them. - Chris Messina
Email didn't start federated! - Chris Messina
Kevin: I didn't say they don't care I said they don't care about what we're talking about. They care about different kinds of things. - Robert Scoble
RE email... Compuserve / AOL / etc = Facebook / Twitter / etc - Ken Sheppardson
robert - what part don't you agree with (i've said a lot) ... - Xenophrenia
Xeno: that people don't understand this. - Robert Scoble
robert - i know a lot of people who don't understand it - my sister, a couple of brothers - i know a lot of people who think they do but they're actions show me they have no clue .... - Xenophrenia
Steve obviously hasn't read history if he thinks Governments are a good bet - Stephen Pickering
Xeno: well, cool. I know a lot of people who DO know and still don't care. - Robert Scoble
It's not important if any individual understands it. It just needs to work as an ecosystem. - Cliff Gerrish
"these services are not free" <- the crux of the issue! I like it when I can simply pay for content and services on the Net. I want to the creators to make a good living - what they do is really valuable. What about a pay model for Facebook? - jay morris
Kevin: yah danah's work would have been a good citation to give. I also studied under Sonia Livingstone who has done extensive research in the UK on young people's use of ICT's. My point was more that it looked like a double-standard in dismissing one person's anecdotes while leaning on anothers. - Richard
i understand and get sideswiped now and then - facebook created an account for me on scribd without asking me - i have an account and suddenly found myself in an account my_name_#### and it had my facebook profile picture in the profile. this disturbed me a lot . - Xenophrenia
Scoble wants to give up more of his privacy, it's his business model. - Cliff Gerrish
Privacy does still exist. We don't know what's being talked about inside the Bilderburg Meeting that's taking place right now, do we? - Stephen Pickering
aren't they all hooked together in Frederick, <aryland already? Just saying... - Frank Paynter
robert - but you can't say that people across the board understand this - i understand that people in you're circles do - i agree with the transparency - people don't think more often then don't understand or care from my experience ; ) - Xenophrenia
It just takes too much work to get those benefits today. - Chris Messina
Privacy is what other people agree not to pass on. - Cliff Gerrish
privacy is relative .... it means different things to different people - Xenophrenia
Why doesn't Facebook use Pages for Public stuff and keep the main account private? - Stephen Pickering
people have NO idea how much of their info is in databases everywhere - Xenophrenia
Everything means different things to different people, that's how language works. - Cliff Gerrish
@xeno +++ - Frank Paynter
People are upset when they see what connections are made. Credit rating agencies do more scary things - Kevin Marks
Nor does it really affect them in ways that are clear. - Chris Messina
Xeno: your are right that people don't know - but i think its hard to presume they don't care.. - Kevin Costain
cliff - touche ; ) - Xenophrenia
I think we don't actually really know. - Chris Messina
... perhaps if they knew the value of "knowing" - they would care - Kevin Costain
"Knowing is half the value." - Chris Messina
I am sharing my private parts on the internet, this wasn't possible last week - Ross Mayfield
x-rated youtubery? - Frank Paynter
Are you also on Chatroulette? - Chris Messina
Ross: Chatroulette? :-) - Robert Scoble
I don't care much about brain surgery - but since my neice has a serious heart defect - i care a whole lot more about advancements in that regard.. - Kevin Costain
robert - there have been people who have lost their insurance coverage for having health information public ... or not been able to get insurance - Xenophrenia
Xeno: and there are 40,000 people who die in cars every year. We still drive. - Robert Scoble
Chatroulette is probably a good way of understanding what most people's expectations of privay are. - Cliff Gerrish
I have Chatroulette in my Enterprise - Ross Mayfield
Privacy isn't important as long as you're not important, but the second you come into some power, then it becomes important, for stuff can be used against you - Stephen Pickering
Next. - Chris Messina
Stephen: I expose my privacy so no one else can exploit it more than I already am. - Robert Scoble
aww, off air - Vezquex
embargoed ??? - Frank Paynter
There are companies that make money off people keeping people from knowing things.. Insurance comes to mind.. :) - Kevin Costain
boo-urns - Richard
disagree Stephen - when you are not important, those with power over you can use the information against you - Kevin Marks
did Steve Balmer hack in and turn off the ustream? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert I like that. You're turning a Lemon into Lemonade so to speak. - Stephen Pickering
Streams down. Stand by. - Cliff Gerrish
Back now. - Cliff Gerrish
Oh no! Down! - Kevin Costain
darn, wonder what Steve was amazed about - R Macdonald
robert - ? i was just making a comment in regards to your saying that you put your health info online - not sure what that has to do with cars ; ) - Xenophrenia
Xeno: you said doing that is dangerous. Life is dangerous. - Robert Scoble
Yeah, that's a good point Kevin. - Stephen Pickering
But we do thinks when we get good things in return for putting ourselves in harms way. - Robert Scoble
If I want to go to the grocery store and buy some tomatoes I need to drive. - Robert Scoble
PC = "personal computing". By definition, the iPad is also one. - Chris Messina
Stream's down again. Stand by. - Cliff Gerrish
The feed just went private ;) - Alex de Soto
Here's a 10" Android tablet: - Kevin Marks
robert - yes i know - which is why the transparency has to be everywhere - with everything or those with power will use it against us - Xenophrenia
Yes, Robert, but the guy who hits you if he was drunk or something does get charged, even if he's famous and has power - Stephen Pickering
i do agree with you for the most part robert - but there are contexts for us here with little or no voice that seem to get forgotten ... - Xenophrenia
we are working on getting the stream back up - Robert Scoble
My point being we are letting FB off the hook because they are popular and still growing. They're guilty, plain and simple. But we're giving them a pass because they're "Hot" - Stephen Pickering
well, it's been real... bummed that the feed collapsed here though. - Frank Paynter
Stephen: what are they guilty of? - Robert Scoble
but wait! maybe there's bandwidth in building 44! - Frank Paynter
back - Vezquex
chris - yes, it's just a PC - but in a new form-factor, with a super simple OS and UI. The differences are enough to deserve a new name. - jay morris
Streams back up. - Cliff Gerrish
Those questions that Walt and Kara posed to Marc, that he couldn't answer. They fooled users to join based on privacy and then flipped the switch - Stephen Pickering
I wonder if we will ever see Microsoft make some really bold moves? - Jim Posner
Chris was just explaining that he thinks kids won't know the joy of hardware hacking. - Cliff Gerrish
Robert: I think things become more popular as the risk, or opportunity cost, is either downplayed or reduced to nothing. Everyone is seeking something of pleasure or value and wants to face no risk in the process. Downplaying all the risk (of, say, driving) is the job the salesperson - Kevin Costain
robert - is there a way to contact facebook with issues - they're address is no longer active - Xenophrenia
there's no reason a tablet can't be a real computer. Android is proving this. - Vezquex
i'm not saying they are idiotic robert - Xenophrenia
please don't accuse me of this .... - Xenophrenia
I am happy with Windows 7 and my iPad. Jailbroken iPad is pretty cool. - Jim Posner
It basically means that freedom and choice will be reserved for those who can afford it. - Chris Messina
Jim, does Jailbroken iPad still get updated software? - Stephen Pickering
It's like saying kids won't learn to play rock and roll because the record player isn't a guitar. - Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, Apple isn't 'killing' flash are they? They are just saying it can't live on our mobile devices. - jay morris
I think jailbreaking encourages kids to hack - Jim Posner
you're car is does not my life on it - Xenophrenia
I really think we're over reacting. Facebook and Apple are Galaxies, but the internet is the Universe. They are still just 'nodes' - Stephen Pickering
the web means we can program easily - that is still true - Kevin Marks
Most of the jailbreak videos are from kids - Jim Posner
if you want to put it in that anology - facebook is like having your info on someone elses car ; ) - Xenophrenia - Chris Messina
Chris: Safari required. Chrome doesn't work. - Robert Scoble
robert - you do realize that i'm not saying everyone is an idiot but that there are those who don't understand? ... and that we can't just ignore them because they are beneath us? - Xenophrenia
Xeno: My info is in millions of cars. I drive a Ford Ranger and millions of other Ford Ranger drivers know exactly what my dashboard looks like.. :) - Kevin Costain
There is an incredible efficiency is products that 'just work.' - Cliff Gerrish
Brian: exactly. - Robert Scoble
Xeno: computers used to only be for the highly trained. Now they are for everyone. We'll get there. - Robert Scoble
There is incredible value in products that 'just work.' - Chris Messina
Seem kicking around Facebook and Apple is the favorite pastime of many of the digerati. Very simplistic approach to tech. There will always be tradeoffs and the people that bitch about them. - Jim Posner
Bill Joy said that I think - Stephen Pickering
Nice show, everyone - and great conversations in the chat (sorry I couldn't join them - was triple-tasking!) - Rob La Gesse
Thanks everyone.. great as always! - Kevin Costain
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Steve Gillmor
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1:00PM PT. Participate at
Hey Robert. - Amyloo
Hi Amyloo. I guess I gotta call Steve and see what's up... - Robert Scoble
Will Jason be on the show? Will the Leo affair be brought up? - Moobie
Power's down at Steve's house. Trying to figure out when things will get going. - Robert Scoble
I hope so, i like Leo but this just makes him look like an A Hole - Aaron Dyer
Aaron: yeah. Leo should never have let anyone else use his brand in the first place. - Robert Scoble
Robert: that's what i think is so odd about it, the thing is Leo did give him the green light, and they even commented about it about a month ago on a TWiT show - Aaron Dyer
We usually don't talk about Leo on Gillmor Gang, though. It's not nice to talk about people who can't defend themselves and Gillmor Gang is about leading edge tech, not media insider gossip anyway. - Robert Scoble
Steve says power seems like it's back on, so he asked everyone to just hang out. - Robert Scoble
so, is RSS dead? :) - Aaron Dyer
Aaron: RSS threw up on Techcrunch this morning. (My baby's initials are R.S.S. which stands for Ryan Soroush Scoble). - Robert Scoble
I think it's funny that he throws up on my Techcrunch T-shirt. I'm wearing a Twitter shirt now, so maybe he'll throw up on that too. :-) - Robert Scoble
Hello from Estonia; a break in the work day and, go figure, here we sit! - Aron Michalski
Aron: that's a ways. What you doing there? Of course now thanks to the volcano you can't leave. ;-) - Robert Scoble
I guess, on the This Week thing, it's always best to have things in writing. Leo must have assumed they were just talking about the one show, but Jason took it a step further. Is that about it? Haven't read a lot about it. - Amyloo
That's the truth. I'm over here doing some shows in the Baltics and Russia, except all our flights are grounded. Not much sleep the past few days. Lithiuania next. - Aron Michalski
I can tell you from the UK, close to Heathrow Airport the skies seem clear and the sunsets have been stunning this weekend - Aaron Dyer
aaron: I just heard a travel expert speak at TEDx Volcano and he said the pressure to get the planes moving again will increase exponentially every day. When you have no food to eat you'll forget about the risk of one crashing. Yikes. - Robert Scoble
The word is we don't know if we'll be able to go home on the 26th as we're supposed to return less than 2 weeks later. We heard it's costing each major airline about $220 million a day; soon they'll risk our lives to save their businesses. - Aron Michalski
Robert Yikes indeed! Raman Noodles it could well be for me then! - Aaron Dyer
Five minutes, maybe less. - Robert Scoble
Hey, Aron. Long time since I've typed at you live. - Amyloo
It sure has. Nice to se you again. - Aron Michalski
Sorry, five minutes, maybe less, to show time, Gillmor just told me. Takes a while to reboot all the machines when power goes out. - Robert Scoble
Aron: the travel guy reminded us that planes didn't fly for six days after 9/11. Why fly on seventh? Financial markets were close to ruin. - Robert Scoble
I suppose the ash cloud is all people are talking about. What do they call it? - Amyloo
so Robert whats the latest count on iPads in the Scoble household? - Aaron Dyer
Translation: we're gonna fly this week no matter what the risk. He was hoping that some science would be done to figure out what the real risk of flying is. - Robert Scoble
Amyloo: I love that people call it #ashtag - Robert Scoble
Aaron: three and counting! - Robert Scoble
#ashtag lol! - Moobie
Robert - as predicted, I left my books at your house :) - Rob La Gesse
That's clever. - Amyloo
I'm sure glad my iPad came in last monday - i think i would be losing my mind if it was grounded! - Aaron Dyer
Robert, my thought as well. The airlines have nevr really recovered from that week off. - Aron Michalski
Rob: I know. I'll mail them with my expense report tomorrow. I'm thinking of adding a Macbook Pro to my expense report to see if you notice. :-) - Robert Scoble
French and Dutch airliners flew test flights today (brave pilots!) (and empty planes, I imagine!) - Rob La Gesse
Robert - I would notice :) - Rob La Gesse
Rob: the brave pilot was Tex Johnson. Check this video out: - Robert Scoble
The thing for us is we can't be grounded; we have to deal with some workarounds outside the comfort zone. Incuding no sleep, etc. - Aron Michalski
Rob, is he usually pretty thrifty, or does he usually go all diva and put stuff like bendy straws on there? - Amyloo
Amyloo: I don't pad my expenses. They are hard enough to do as they are. - Robert Scoble
:) He is pretty thrifty - just very tardy ;) - Rob La Gesse
Although I am tempted to put a nice MacBook Pro on there. :-) - Robert Scoble
man, i should be working for Rackspace! Ha! - Aaron Dyer
Expense it, but ship it to me along with my books and your expense account :) - Rob La Gesse
Cool, Gillmor is calling. - Robert Scoble
Rob: oh, THAT is no fun! - Robert Scoble
Aron, I suppose you pack a certain way for air travel and transporting all the gear, then you can't go ground even if the distance would allow? - Amyloo
And we're LIVE! - Robert Scoble
OK, things seem to be working. - Cliff Gerrish
Power is a good thing. - Rob La Gesse
There's 18 trucks and over 60 people. We've had to resort to day coaches and ferry service to get where we need to get. - Aron Michalski
here comes the Twitter eco-systems discussion. Where is Loic ;-) - Jerry Schuman
Gillmor Gang recording session w/ John Borthwick, Dan Farber and Scoble: - Cliff Gerrish
There's 18 trucks and over 60 people. We've had to resort to day coaches and ferry service to get where we need to get. - Aron Michalski
Jerry: I can fill in for Loic, I know his position quite well. - Robert Scoble
gr8 afternoon to u all - Johni Fisher
Hello, Johni - Rob La Gesse
:) Rob Rob :)) - Johni Fisher
BTW - was great to have lunch with Steve and Tina this week as we plan the future of the real-time world :) - Rob La Gesse
Native code, web code applications -- there's some politics there. - Cliff Gerrish
Will Twitter's URL shortening do reports like, I wonder? If not I can see why wouldn't care. - Amyloo
Cliff: I can't hear Gillmor very well. - Robert Scoble
Robert, I tried that little startup you interviewed, GenWi, and their apps are backlogged getting into the App store. - Amyloo
OK, robert. Thanks. - Cliff Gerrish
Do Twitter developers have any choice but to be positive about Twitter? - Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: absolutly they have a choice. - Robert Scoble
Cliff: with Facebook this week they could change their business quite profoundly. - Robert Scoble
I kinda agree and disagree with Robert - Chirp gave the Twitter Devs some hope - but it is a cautious hope. I think they don;t really trust Twitter right now. - Rob La Gesse
They have a choice to vote with their feet. - Cliff Gerrish
Many are going to do that anyway. - Robert Scoble
Rob: they trust them a LOT more today than five days ago. - Robert Scoble
Robert - that is still LESS trust then they had 8 days ago :) - Rob La Gesse
The reality is that Twitter needs to create a business model for their ecosystem that supports both them and their developers. - Cliff Gerrish
Rob: I'd agree with that. - Robert Scoble
Cliff: a MAJOR part of this week was explaining how Twitter is going to do that with PromotedTweets. - Robert Scoble
Robert: do the devs think that will provide them with enough revenue? - Cliff Gerrish
Loic's new Seesmic plugins are a great way to move on without depending on Twitter alone. - Alex de Soto
Alex - Seesmic is now under pressure to build their own community of plugin developers. That is always a challenge, but I think Loic can pull that off. - Rob La Gesse
hello all - just jumped on to watch the discussion - Nick Halstead
Cliff: that is a HUGE question. - Robert Scoble
Seesmic's revenue requirements are related to their capital structure. - Cliff Gerrish
Hi Nick. - Robert Scoble
Twitter needs to make sure that they don't get too complicated, most users like Twitter because it's simple - Kim Landwehr
Kim: I think that's why the redesign is taking so long. - Robert Scoble
I'd like to see more detail about Facebook conversations in it reports number of comments, etc, but you have to go find them yourself. - Amyloo
the thing John is not answering - is that Annotations will remove the need for short url's completely long term - Nick Halstead
yeah they need to make sure they don't please the power users while alienating mainstream users - Kim Landwehr
We're working on getting the video stream back up. - Cliff Gerrish
We're pausing for a commercial break. Try Rackspace :) - Rob La Gesse
back up on ustream - Kim Landwehr
Yeah, we're back. - Cliff Gerrish
Since is topical, there was a very frustrating experience with a shortening scenario by a software developer this week (one of my contacts on FF): - Micah
:) Micah - hello! - Rob La Gesse
Hey, Rob :) - Micah
Wouldn't Twitter redesign have to relate to the upcoming iPhone app (Tweetie3)? - Alex de Soto
Wonder if CBS has a policy about who has permission to Tweet. - Amyloo
@Amyloo - most companies do. Those that do not, probably should. - Rob La Gesse
all the news agencies are totally and utterly fooling themselves that making individual apps for the iPad will work - users dont want an even more fragmented news reading experience! its worse than switching between web pages! - Nick Halstead
Nick: funny enough I've read a lot of news in that system recently. But I do like Skygrid and Twitterriffic better. - Robert Scoble
Agree, Rob. - Amyloo
Why did Gillmor get quiet again? Cliff? - Robert Scoble
Actually, I think it's much better than switching between web pages. - Cliff Gerrish
Nick - I am not too sure about that - if those individual apps pre-cached content for me so I could read in-depth news while NOT connected to the network I would find them pretty useful. Otherwise I am using my browser. - Rob La Gesse
Robert, I'll let him know. - Cliff Gerrish
Rob, but if you had 'one' app that pre-cached the content from across sites? - Nick Halstead
Cliff: it's very weird that he gets loud for a while, then gets soft. Not sure what slider you are changing. - Robert Scoble
Nick - pre-caches what? The Internet? - Rob La Gesse
Robert: No sliders being touched. - Cliff Gerrish
Robert, am sure there is 'massive' room for improvment on building totally new experiences for reading content across the web in a single app - Nick Halstead
Cliff: this is a common problem on the show. Steve gets very soft from time to time. It makes it hard to follow. - Robert Scoble
I think the linking of the small, medium and big screens is a whole new ecosystem. - Cliff Gerrish
Rob La, yes, the whole licensing model for the internet news is going to change in next 1-2 years and you will find bundled + micro-brokerage solutions for accessing content offline - Nick Halstead
I just did a five day trip with no computer but an iPad - actually worked very well (with a few exceptions where I could not view flash videos). I have no desire to look at a flash-based site. - Rob La Gesse
Robert: We may not be able to fix in flight. We may have to do a sound check after or before. - Cliff Gerrish
One can only hope that restaurants will stop creating flash based sites. - Cliff Gerrish
Would be nice if iPad would allow side by side browser windows to get around the widget problem, once multitasking comes. - Amyloo
TweetDeck not supporting click-able links in portrait mode sucks. - Rob La Gesse
Rob La, Iain tells me that is fixed but has not been pushed to the store yet - Nick Halstead
Err - landscape mode, I mean :) - Rob La Gesse
Cliff - I hope so. Not very useful on the iPhone, those Flash restaurant sites. - Alex de Soto
OK, now I can blame Steve Jobs and not TweetDeck :) - Rob La Gesse
I still 100% say that none of the current brands e.g. tweetdeck / Seesmic / Tweetie will end up making the best iPad app - Nick Halstead
Cliff, Alex re. restaurants - absolutely. - Micah
E-learning companies are running scared. Best stuff is all Flash. - Amyloo
HTML5 FTW - Rob La Gesse
And they want to be on the iPad. - Amyloo
Look at the Netflix app on the iPad - pure art. - Rob La Gesse
Rob, yes the Netflix app was the first highly praised iPad app per first reactions on my FF stream. - Micah
Steve - a Dell? Where did that come from? Never mind. I think I know :) - Rob La Gesse
You don't hear much about what will happen with non-video Flash. I guess HTML5 canvas element allows vector stuff, you just don't hear about it. - Amyloo
Scoble - what does your shirt say? - Rob La Gesse
It seems like the stylus itself should be virtualized. - Cliff Gerrish
If there is ANY industry that needs disrupted it is the textbook industry. - Rob La Gesse
Rob: my shirt says "Wearing my Twitter shirt." - Robert Scoble
Comcast NEEDS to lose - Rob La Gesse
Agree with Rob! Just think, every state could have their own version of American history. Texas wouldn't have to dominate. - Alex de Soto
Alex - I live in Texas and I despise our revisionist history texts. Embarrasses me. - Rob La Gesse
Actually, to clarify - Comcast DESERVES to lose. - Rob La Gesse
John, aren't these examples are what Fred Wilson asked for in his now infamous post? More than just filling hols? - Julien
The test of 4square's defensible value will be whether or not Yahoo buys them. - Cliff Gerrish
My understanding of the whole thing (fred Wilson's post) is that Twitter is actually trying to be both the platform on which more services like 4sq, Gowalla (and even plancast, Qora and others) are built, as well as a service by itself. It's one role too many! - Julien
We have not even discussed "platvertising" yet - which is one of the big things Twitter announced. - Rob La Gesse
Exactly : the wholes is just a big question mark b/c twitter plays both roles! - Julien
Julien, you see this model quite often in the financial services world. Schwab will provide a brokerage acct platform, and also compete against its clients. - Cliff Gerrish
Julien: Think of Google Maps. It's a platform Google uses well and one also used by thousands of mashups to their advantage. - Alex de Soto
Cliff: agreed. It's the case in man industries : retailers have their own brands and sell other brands... it's manageable, but creates tension - Julien
Julien, it's a tension, but it can be managed. Generally it creates volume that brings prices down for everyone. - Cliff Gerrish
btw: looking for good voip client for iphone/ipad? Media5fone and it supports G.722 wideband audio. I used it the other day and was blown away. - Jerry Schuman
BTW - I think I just made up "platvertising" - where the platform is the ad network. Where the platform spams you, not the apps. Twitter seems to be becoming such a beast. - Rob La Gesse
Nicely put, John - Amyloo
compound streams are the new compound documents. - Jerry Schuman
Metaphorics: spinning threads, weaving fabric, creating braids... - Cliff Gerrish
rob is such a sweetie pie... - Amyloo
:) Thanks, Amyloo! - Rob La Gesse
awesome. Now off to Costco - Robert Scoble
Rob, with google as my witness, I believe you just did (coin "platvertising"). - Micah
Sunday is fine. Call it The Church of Gillmor. Nice show! - Alex de Soto
@Micah - cool - perhaps I should create a Wikipedia page :) (No, that's not my thing - I try to help build the web and let others document it!) - Rob La Gesse
@Rob devs (classically) hate documentation - cred! :) - Micah
Bummer. Missed it all. - Francine Hardaway
Wow...The dudes rocked today. - Michele Lorito-Chase
Steve Gillmor
GillmorGang Recording Session, 1pm Pacific:
Now who'll start the Buzz version of the in-show chat? :) - Matt M (inactive)
Friendfeed is a little slow today -- so the chat may be a little challenging. - Cliff Gerrish
Anyone know who's on the show today? - Kevin Costain
The usual suspects.... - Cliff Gerrish
I'm on Gillmor Gang - Kevin Marks
mystery dog on the set! ;) - Susan Beebe
GillmorGang Recording Now w/ Edo Segal, Kevin Marks, Scoble, Andrew Keen at - Cliff Gerrish
yay we're recording this one! :-) - Moobie
Loic said Bill Gates released fireflies this year. - Matt M (inactive)
Robert, where is your mic? how is that so clear? - Kevin Costain
I remember hearing that Toshiba was developing Nuclear batteries fro laptops.. I wonder if that died? - Kevin Costain
The famous Jack - keeping RSS enclosures limping along... - Cliff Gerrish
RSS works fine in Youtube if you have a "Channel". - David Lloyd
so are we moving from friendfeed to buzz..... (haha) - Jamie
I use numerous RSS Feeds from youtube. - David Lloyd
you can rip a feed via chrome RSS extension :) ... i've done several YouTube feeds now in my gReader - Susan Beebe
Not for the moment. Buzz needs to settle down a little before we can consider it. - Cliff Gerrish
Yup. There are actally numerous unofficial ways and official ways. - David Lloyd
Here we go, Andrew will hate it. - David Lloyd
you cant really overlook the privacy issues - Jamie
the idea that my email contacts are somehow the basis of my "social graph" is utterly ludicrous - Jamie
Buzz was turned ON for everyone, there was NO opt-in - Susan Beebe
google forced certain aspects of it by making everything default to public and on - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Google's lame statement that things could be fixed after the fact was --- insufficient. - Cliff Gerrish
@mashable has a dynamite thread of people sharing buzz use cases, feature requests, etc. - Frank Paynter
That fugitivus article is an eye opener. - Matt M (inactive)
Buzz, in the beginning, was fairly ambiguous about privacy settings.. but Google will fix those problems.. - Kevin Costain
One thing I'm sure of is that FriendFeed is terrible for following podcasts like this. - Petteri Hiisilä
Google asked me If i wanted Buzz turned on or not when I logged in. I wasn't one of the people who got it at launch however. - David Lloyd
Google's collateral damage... - Cliff Gerrish
Is Friendfeed really slow? - David Lloyd
We have higher tolerance than typical user - Susan Beebe
The problem is not with the *people* -- it is with the developers and product managers who continuously assume that privacy is a "boring" issue - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
they did respond quickly however - Don Bonaddio
he's got you there Kevin :-) - Jamie
hehe - David Lloyd
We just wrapped TWiL and talked about Buzz a lot this week. Same prob here (among others) that Steve highlighted a long time ago re Google Reader: wrong assumptions about what your relationship is to those you email with. As Steve just said. - Denise Howell
Google should have used Orkut for the Social Graph connections and done something similar to a Facebook Connect integration into Buzz and Reader. No need to reinvent the wheel here. - Jesse Stay
Heck, give me access to my Facebook and Twitter connections as well - Jesse Stay
auto suggesting email contacts would have been fine. - Jamie
The fugitivus article is serious. Also read the comments. It seems many journalists' secret sources were exposed from their email contacts. - kosso
Jesse, cobblers - orkut has already had these features - Kevin Marks
Orkut is a dead service, Google obviously has turned their back on it - Susan Beebe
Kevin, that's fine - then cross-integrate from Orkut and improve it - Jesse Stay
orkut's thriving offshore... bazillions of brazilians - Frank Paynter
Orkut is where the Social Graph is - no need to reinvent the social graph in other places - let Orkut be the central hub for everything Social and push out/pull from there - Jesse Stay
Auto discovery is ok, but PUBLISHING it is NOT OK - Susan Beebe
Orkut's alive and well in india and brazil - Kevin Marks
That's what Facebook is doing and why they're so successful at it - Jesse Stay
Orkut is very popular outside the usa. Brazil, etc. - kosso
it wasn't just auto discovery - it was auto addition too - Jamie
Google needs the address book to be the graph. That's the only move that makes sense. - Cliff Gerrish
For me, I don't care, I have nothing to hide... lots of others have stuff they need to hide - Susan Beebe
I used to love Orkut - they just weren't fast enough in improving it or promoting it in the US, or cross-integrating it across their other products - Jesse Stay
But Susan, certainly you'd like the option to hide things. - Cliff Gerrish
There were options to edit your own following list.. see - the first scree was kind of ambiguous.. - Kevin Costain
It isnt anything to do with hiding... its the assumption that the people who I email are those who I want to share content with... including my location - Jamie
It's a personal option. You join Buzz, FB or any service at free will. - Alberto Escarlate
Cliff - Yes, indeed. Buzz lacks filters and controls - Susan Beebe
Reader should have used Orkut's Social Graph when they launched sharing - Jesse Stay
Looks like Google's mistake was not to have a BETA label on Buzz - Alberto Escarlate
Steve - that was smart, I did similar - Susan Beebe
Google Contacts should have integrated with Orkut early on - Jesse Stay
Stalker :) - Susan Beebe
I wonder how many new GMail accounts were created this week due to Buzz? That's the significant part of the strategy, to move people away from Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, etc... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Google's entire contacts platform is a mess. - Jamie
troll as in fishing - not in the bridge dweller - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
<3 this damn show. - David Lloyd
"trawl" not "troll" - kosso
the underlying contacts platform is good, but the UX for it lags - Kevin Marks
you know us yanks can always mangle a good word :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kevin, you need to get those iPhone contacts into Ribbit. - Cliff Gerrish
contacts is very rudimentary service.. not ready for enterprise CRM usage at all - Susan Beebe
it's webolutionary! - Frank Paynter
You dunt speak proper english like what we do. - David Lloyd
I think anything social from it should come from Orkut, and they should build on that - Jesse Stay
Andrew is 100% right - Jamie
Gmail contacts do NOT = social "followers". - Susan Beebe
my email contacts are very different to social networking 'follows' - kosso
Opting out still exposes your contacts - Jesse Stay
gmail was always the private view - greader was the more public view - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Do I really want my CPA in CA to be connected to my Attny in NY --- um, no. :) - Susan Beebe
trolling: " To fish in by trailing a baited line" <- Scoble's use was correct - he was fishing contacts by following Steve's line :) - Rob La Gesse
See the lady whose abusive ex-husband is now contacting her thanks to Buzz sharing her contacts with her friends, even after turning it off - Jesse Stay
buzz features the use of gmail functions but it doesn't require them... ++ Scoble, -1000 Keen - Frank Paynter
Jesse, Orkut helped inspire OpenSocial. The point is to have common standards across sites. - Kevin Marks
Every communications app will have a public and private mode. Social / Personal. - Cliff Gerrish
Robert needs to read this: - Jesse Stay
the word is ignorant - Don Bonaddio
the common user interface with gmail is powerful - Frank Paynter
Kevin, that's fine - build open standards into Orkut, and push Orkut's standards-based social graphs out to the other products. Google keeps re-inventing the wheel on the social thing. - Jesse Stay
The worst part, by far, is how using Buzz affects other services. All of a sudden Reader has items shared by people I subscribed to on Buzz. That's not expected and not what I want at all. - Eric Florenzano
Gmail was 'beta' for a very long time. Buzz feels like it's still in 'alpha' - kosso
I still get my Twitter messages into Buzz and then, right to my inbox.That needs to be solved. - Nir Ben Yona
I don't like that my buzz items are now polluting my gmail search results - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear, just use filters and labels - Frank Paynter
Disable buzz then until they add more controls, Mr Bear. - David Lloyd
Search for Google, not for us yet.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Risk (opportunity cost) for Buzz IS WORTH IT... heat will fizzle down - Susan Beebe
Susan - even with stuff like this?: - it's very dangerous right now, and no opt-out - Jesse Stay
buzz will work if outbound traffic to blogs/websites works - it's why mashable has a 5000 pixel ad for following them on their site - they are hoping that they see traffic from it - if no traffic, sites wont push it - Allen Stern
Google is banking on majority of users being OK with sharing. Remember this is gmail user-base (early adopter, engineers, edgy techies). - Susan Beebe
Google just exposed all your contacts to your friends, with or without you enabling Buzz - Jesse Stay
Gmail is for power users? My dad uses it. - David Lloyd
Gmail IS NOT early adopters. My Mom uses Gmail. - Jesse Stay
gmail hasn't been for just power users for a couple of years now - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
My gmail contacts are nearly all online folks like you and I already - my "private" contacts are NOT in my gmail account, but my Google Apps for domain account :) - Susan Beebe
My Dad, a top executive at an internationally traded company, uses Gmail - Jesse Stay
+1 Jesse/David. Gmail is for everyone now. - Matt M (inactive)
to me buzz is a mess in look compared to ff - maybe its the left menu jammed on there - i haven't spent any time on buzz today - Allen Stern
Allen - agree it is messy! - Susan Beebe
My dad now risks major contacts being exposed because of Buzz. There's no way he'll use Gmail after this. - Jesse Stay
My dad, a hopeless bum, uses gmail. - David Lloyd
"nearby" tab is awesome - very informational during our Blizzard here in DC metro - Don Bonaddio
someone explain to me what this local buzz stuff is - i have an old phone - but the stuff say Louis or Robert shares has nothing to do with location. - Allen Stern
@Susan I agree that most early adopters HAVE a GMail account already however many non-techie people do have GMail these days too.. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
susan - as a tech/server guy - my truly private contacts are on my own email server - but yes, that's an edge case - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
web 'redraw' is really bad... slow (desktop) - Susan Beebe
the mobile client or the mobile web app? - Jamie
Google is implementing a Scoble filter. - Cliff Gerrish
LOL - Susan Beebe
because the UI for the Gmail integration is pretty bad. - Jamie
I definitely think Buzz is more beneficial for power users. Others are just swallowed in. - Nir Ben Yona
collapse comments - Don Bonaddio
sounds like Robert is using Buzz not for comment/conversation but as a news item source - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This is because the design is wrong. Algorithms aren't the complete solution.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
+1 @ Don. and show the first couple and last comments... not 20 of them. - Jamie
I want one central place to go on Google for all my social connections. I don't want to mix and match. If you mix and match then pull from that one central place. Orkut comes to mind as what that place should be - they already have some of those privacy issues worked out. - Jesse Stay
Buzz simply shows too many comments at a time in Gmail. Shorten it pls. - Petteri Hiisilä
FF is still far superior than Buzz - Susan Beebe
exactly @Jamie - Don Bonaddio
iPad -- yes! :) - Susan Beebe
I swear it's the ruckus that Andrew causes that brings me back to this show - more so than the great conversations - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FF won't be better than buzz a month from now. . - Kevin Costain
one for LR, DR, Kitchen - Don Bonaddio
Yes - David Lloyd
iPad - yes - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
yes, 2 one for me and one for mom - Jamie
iPad - Yes. - Cliff Gerrish
If it has multi-tasking yes. Otherwise I am unsure. - Rob La Gesse
yap - Johni Fisher
I'm a developer - I buy things so I can tinker with the APIs :-) - Jesse Stay
no on iPad - beersage
not really, I'll wait for V2 - Don Bonaddio
oooh Applications! :P - Susan Beebe
And this live FriendFeed feed (by default) shows too few - must click to see them. Plus no threads, no context. - Petteri Hiisilä
Yes. For building interactive multimedia 'eMagazines' using HTML5 in book pages. Also social multimedia apps. - kosso
Hi Rob ,Jesse - Johni Fisher
I will most likely by an iPad but not sure how much I will use it yet vs a Netbook/Tablet hybrid or an eReader. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse, Contacts is meant to be that unified store, but at the moment there are multiple UI's for it - Kevin Marks
Kevin, I think the privacy elements around that should be happening in Orkut though. People know what a social network is. Contacts are generally private to most people. - Jesse Stay
Hello, Johni :) - Rob La Gesse
The medium is the massage... - Cliff Gerrish
Hey Johni! - Jesse Stay
Normal People? What's normal? - Kevin Costain
But the Android / Google Buzz issue sharing the same Contacts list is yet another issue... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
its a GIANT iPhone :) - Susan Beebe
Nexus one has more capabilities than iPad - Don Bonaddio
Android, gmail, gtalk, docs, reader, buzz, orkut all ahve same user account model - Kevin Marks
The iPad, if it lives up to the promise, will be a win for the non-technical crowd.. - Kevin Costain
I will probably carry the iPad and the Nexus One now instead of my MacBookPro and Nexus One - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Won't Keynote be Apples Authoring Tool for Ipad Authors? - Arnie Klaus
Siri is awesome! - Susan Beebe
The iPad will be used primarly on my iCouch too.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
you need an iPad for that? - Don Bonaddio
Kevin, but contacts are not social connections. They can be used to build social connections, but contacts are private. Orkut should be the hub for social connections. There's a difference between a social connection and a "contact". - Jesse Stay
the iPad will be huge for doctors in hospitals - kosso
I like the IM interface of Siri. It's a model we're going to see a lot more of... - Cliff Gerrish
voice command is awesome with Siri app - Susan Beebe
I love Siri - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Agree Jesse I wouldnt share my contacts - Johni Fisher
Siri will be on the iPad? - Kevin Costain
Siri means "crab" in Portuguese - Alberto Escarlate
all of these contact solutions really do need the affordances that FOAF allows - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
you need to get that through Apple via iTunes - the closed system - Don Bonaddio
meh bear, FOAF is less useful than Portable Contacts - Kevin Marks
pictures of Pizza (with ads of course!) - Susan Beebe
Looks like a great app. Name makes me think of Sirius though. - Mike Doeff
I can't get Siri on my iPod Touch - Kevin Marks
Maybe Siri will offer a Buzz interface - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
That's why Facebook uses Contacts to import people into Facebook. I can then decide which of my contacts I want in my "social network". Social Connections should build on top of contacts, but they are not contacts. A social network is what organizes those contacts into social connections (and builds more). - Jesse Stay
Voice Command works great with Windows Media Center with the right Voice Enabled Remotes! - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Kevin - yes, Portable Contacts would have been a better choice - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
CommApps - is the future - split 2 up screen - Susan Beebe
latency will be a problem with Citrix - Don Bonaddio
Citrix says latency isn't too bad. And it's not bad in its current implementations. - Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, there is nothing stopping the creation of a pluggable application on the iPad. So multi-tasking just flows in a framework. - Jerry Schuman
PoCo is designed to cover both contacts and social connections - Kevin Marks
Jesse I never imported my contacts ,,if I want to trace one I will search for his email ,, I dont know what a site can do with our contacts ,, - Johni Fisher
isn't Buzz also implementing this SuperTweet? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ads in Buzz could be a "layer" like the Map app displays - Susan Beebe
so when are we bailing off FF for Buzz? - Jerry Schuman
OK, gotta run to make my 4pm. Will listen to the rest of the show this weekend. Take care all. - Rob La Gesse
with both FF and Buzz supporting open standards there isn't any reason to abandon one for the other - pick based on UI - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jerry I thought Apple was refusing to approve apps with plugins for iPhone - Kevin Marks
rumor has it that is going to change - Jerry Schuman
Johnni, and that's my point. Contacts are private to most people. It should be up to them on which of those contacts they turn into social connections. Social connections should not be confused with contacts. - Jesse Stay
erm, Robert - MobileMe - Jamie
It's the Social Graph API examples - I wrote about that a long time ago - Jesse Stay
Social Circles is linked off of the Show Options in Search - Jerry Schuman
Funny how one of these speakers considers himself as the archetype of a "typical user" - while he clearly isn't. - Petteri Hiisilä
apple is developing the data services for private oriented data - google seems to be geared to public oriented data - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
$99 no way, I just canceled my MobileMe subscription because its not worth it, when all I use is basic syncing - Kai
I wrote the SG API examples, Jesse - and yes, Buzz is a reason for people to connect services via XFN - Kevin Marks
Thanks @Kevin - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
frozen scoble is "a magical experience" - Brian Hendrickson
my thoughts after 2 days on Buzz. - Jerry Schuman
what search problem? - Jamie
Apple is siloed into product farms; Google understands product integration MUCH better - Susan Beebe
appl more restrictive each year - Don Bonaddio
you arent talking about wave because it doesnt push out traffic period. - Allen Stern
Kevin, lol - I forgot about that. You have me beat there, definitely :-) I still think contacts shouldn't be the source of the social connections here. - Jesse Stay
I disagree Susan. Googles products are pretty poorly integrated IMO - Jamie
er, contacts shouldn't be the equivalent to social connections. They can be the source, but they are not the same. - Jesse Stay
I'm not sure I agree with that. I've been getting responses in the Buzz API tracker within minutes. - Matt M (inactive)
Exactly, Steve - see my article from last night on large company syndrome - Jesse Stay
The privacy argument is not true.. we are all balancing the line between public and private. - Kevin Costain
I think the blending of Buzz, Reader, Mail, Chat etc is brilliant. One collated system - Jerry Schuman
Google Buzz has a wonderful spot in enterrprise collaboration - Susan Beebe
its a business tool. - Arnie Klaus
Buzz, Chatter, Yammer -- Twitter for the enterprise. It will turn into a competitive advantage. - Cliff Gerrish
disagree Jerry - the integration of those products is very forced.. particularly when it comes to contacts/sharing - Jamie
Gonna go hang out at the Westin in a bit with Robert.. if I can find him in the basement. ;-) - Jerry Schuman
basically Google are trying to bumrush the social graph. - Jamie
i honestly haven't been following all the news as I've been heads down on CloudContacts but it seems like the "contacts" bit is very different than on twitter or facebook. - Allen Stern
Allen, definitely - Jesse Stay
been using the group function for years... - Frank Paynter
Can someone create a Gillmor Gang group on Buzz? - Mike Doeff
enterprise adoption is just not that easy, Scoble. - Don Park
Well I'm back to coding - nice chatting guys! - Jesse Stay
iPad is the device for consumption and Buzz is the stream of consumption - Jerry Schuman
SIRI is the most disruptive - Arnie Klaus
it's the mainstreaming of the open protocols that is the disruption - this will cause other data silos to implement them to compete with google - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
the iPad will be my own personal touchscreen kiosk - kosso
i think like an earthquake - we are in for some big aftershocks of negativity on buzz - people see it in their gmail - normal internet users - click it - start sharing crap and start following people and having people follow them with no real understanding of what they are in for. so far for me buzz is a hot mess. not sure why i say this considering its a copy of ff but for me - i can't figure out even how they decide what to show me - crap from yesterday sits on top of crap from today, etc. - Allen Stern
isnt buzz a data silo? - Jamie
jamie - I should have said "closed data silo" - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Buzz isn't a silo. I can get all the data out (or at least there are plans to get everything out). And the APIs to get data out aren't new - they will be built on the current set of global web APIs (PSHB/activity streams/atom/etc) - Matt M (inactive)
buzz is free, iPad is 499 - I think the free one will be more transformative in the near term - Brian Hendrickson
I haven't written the post yet but the iPad is going to be gigantic. With the slew of patents that Apple that thing is going to be Microsoft Surface in your hand. It's just begun. - Jerry Schuman
Buzz should be labeled a 'Beta' product - kosso
Whatever can integrate ALL social networks without creating so much noise will cause disruption.. Google Wave has the potential to be that. . - Kevin Costain
Buzz is the disruptor here. Or maybe it's the glue that will bind all the socnets together - Frank Paynter
Both are equally disruptive and creating maturity to Web 2.0 - - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Buzz is like a popular bar. Folks go there and enjoy themselves but it's just be part of the town, not even center stage. - Don Park
LCD as a camera + proximity sensing = surface in your backpack for $499.00 - Jerry Schuman
Just saw this right after the show - Google: We May Remove Buzz From Gmail - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think it should more accurately read Google will implement alternative namespace for Buzz, if user desires it. - Jerry Schuman
hi (testing) - Susan Beebe
Hi Susan. Let us know what you think in NGLPrivate. Click the 'lock' icon. - Cliff Gerrish
Steve Gillmor
Gillmor Gang recording session live 1PM Pacific -
are we going to be blessed with a gillmor show today? - Chris Jackson
Let's hope so! Lots of stuff to talk about on this episode I'm sure. I'm looking forward to it. - Kevin Costain
Yes! I'm online. In Gillmor's family room. - Robert Scoble
Andrew Keen "let me plug my thing in." Sounds obscene. :-) Behind the scenes banter. - Robert Scoble
To watch this or Calacanis? That is the question. - Stephen Pickering
Stephen - url for Calacanis ? - Chris Jackson
thnx - Chris Jackson
its on! - Kevin Costain
Danny Sullivan - Robert Scoble
sounds good to me - Brian Hendrickson
danny - audio fine here - Chris Jackson
We will be right back. - Robert Scoble
Third time's the charm ;) - Denise Howell
lol... don't get frustrated Steve.. live is better!! - Kevin Costain
I'm hoping Robert will talk about iPhone personal assistant, SIRI - r Macdonald
GillmorGang now recording session now live: Danny Sullivan, Scoble, Marks, Keen, Edo Segal - Cliff Gerrish
I hope Steve doesn't pre-record it. It is on and called "Real Time with The Gillmor Gang" :( - David Lloyd
"Use Flash like you would cilantro—sparingly and for a single high-impact effect. Nobody wants to eat a whole bowl of cilantro..." -- Merlin Mann - Ken Sheppardson
well thats bullshit (not @ you ken :-) ) - Jamie
flash is dead folks - Jamie
Trouble is - what is there to replace the ubiquity of flash? It's in more places than Java and I just don't see that HTML5 can replace that. Flash is the cheesy splash screen, the ad the fancy movie site, and movies. Flash is like the cockroach of the web - Kevin Costain
It's interesting that Flash owes it's ubiquity to Microsoft. - Cliff Gerrish
as smartphones sans flash start getting traction please believe that the ad networks, exchanges and servers will quickly fix that - Jamie
Flash never was the write-once-run-everywhere environment. - Tom Morris
Flash was the write once run lots of places environment - more than other video/vector/animation tech - Kevin Marks
I've owned a fair few mobile devices. Never had one that had Flash. Had lots that did JavaME or native code (C, ObjC etc.) - Tom Morris
Leo's live streaming site is built on Flash, but he has today made it work on iphone. - David Lloyd
60% of adobes revenue is from authoring tools - Jamie
People are still gonna buy Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver and so on. - Tom Morris
seems there's an early death notice here for Flash since Apple released an iPad - what about the over 90% of the real people that won't care about iPad - there's a huge amount of the web to convert - won't happen overnight - Don Bonaddio
*Flash* authoring tools? Yeah... what Tom said. - Ken Sheppardson
Tom: the leverage on getting them to do that is a lot less in a post Flash world. - Robert Scoble
Don, you think people care about flash? - Jamie
"Silverlight: MS rebooting Windows as web OS", cool observation - r Macdonald
They'll still need to make designer-friendly tools for building HTML+JavaScript. Designers aren't suddenly going to go from the Flash Authoring tools to Emacs and Vim. - Tom Morris
folks wont even notice when they switch out the video for html5 - Jamie
Adobe needs to become innovative again, and build authoring tools for HTML5 - Stephen Pickering
most people have no idea that flash is even being used on the site - they'll notice it's broken however when they try to browse to their favorite sites and see it broken Jamie - Don Bonaddio
Had an iPod touch for 6 months. Barely noticed lack of Flash. - Tom Morris
The only sites I've used today with Flash are video sites - ustream, YouTube, Vimeo. - Tom Morris
Ah Future Splash, we hardly knew ye.... - Cliff Gerrish
Avatar was created with Abode tools...they still do innovative tool dev. but not so much for the web. - Jim Posner
Tom: Ustream is available on iPhone without Flash. - Robert Scoble
What about the learning curve a hardcore flash developer would have to go through to use another tool? Especially for the highly interactive flash websites? - Kevin Costain
Flash ain't dead. It's undead. - Tom Morris
Robert how do they do that? What is Ustream on iPhone running on? - Stephen Pickering
That's the question, how do you compete against the cross-subsidy move into your market? - Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, it was ever thus. - Frank Paynter
Andrew Keen's comment == WTF? - Tom Morris
What about them, Kevin? Same thing would happen to them that happened to all the Cobol and FORTRAN developers. - Ken Sheppardson
Don I know how widespread flash is used, but most site developers built in a way for them to degrade gracefully when the plugin isnt present. even the porn sites are getting on board. - Jamie
Stephen: Apple SDK and built in video streaming APIs. - Robert Scoble
Ken ++ - Frank Paynter
Stephen: They're doing h.264 via http. You can see it in action, actually... if you go to - Ken Sheppardson
i think iPads demo it not primarily for techies , use cases are much different for iPad than iPhone, conversion to HTML5 will happen but not in 60 days... more like a couple years - Don Bonaddio
I hear you Jamie, but that's more dev time - Don Bonaddio
Ken: I agree, the trouble is there isn't even something to compete with what already exits. Flash is a whole lot more than video.. Im mot aware of anything or any type of development tool that can make some of the more highly interactive flash sites I see.. - Kevin Costain
Hate restaurant sites that use Flash. Can't find a way to make a reservation w/o Flash. - Alex de Soto
i still use it - some too Steve.... FF For Ever.... - Chris Jackson
It's really simple: you test your site in Lynx. If you've built it right, it'll work. - Tom Morris
That kind of "I'm just looking for this piece of information" things are going to be handled by services and aggregators. - Cliff Gerrish
im not saying flash will die out in a few months, or even a few years. but technology has a way of building momentum against certain technologies or services. (webkits a good example). we're at a point where the most important uses of flash 5 years ago finally have open equivalents that are much more efficient. - Jamie
Tom: so true.. :) - Kevin Costain
HTML5 video rollout enhanced by MPEG LA's announcement this week that they will continue not to charge royalties for h264 Internet Video that is "free to end users" - r Macdonald
I hope the plug-in era of the web is near it's end - Jim Posner
IMO, this is a power move by appl to force developers to create apps to buy through their app store instead of using open standards in a browser - Don Bonaddio
we're thinking about this a lot. rev3's mobile site pushes to youtube. - michael sean wright
don, flash isn't really an open standard. HTML5 is - Kevin Marks
and flash hasn't been on the iphone since day one. way before apple ever envisioned the app store being such a huge success - Jamie
so I dont buy the "it competes with the app store" argument. - Jamie
A 'power move'. It's a technical move. Seriously. Run some Flash videos with Activity Monitor open and watch your CPU usage. - Tom Morris
understood Kevin, I think devs need to move there but there is a move for sites to create apps instead of making their sites HTML5, imo - Don Bonaddio
I think Vimeo has an HTML5 player now. Check out their blog. - Alex de Soto
I thought that the adoption of web standards was suppose to slow the balkinization of the web. - Jim Posner
Graceful degradation is at the heart of web front end development done right, Jim - Kevin Marks
agree Tom that flash is bad, but not supporting a defacto standard ? - Don Bonaddio
Point being that the companies are looking out for themselves and not the user? - Kevin Sablan
Kevin, I thought graceful degradation was deprecated in favor of progressive enhancement. - Cliff Gerrish
was talking with with some espn folks last week, they said that 85% of their web traffic during the weekends come via mobile. made us re-think approach. must be multiple output. - michael sean wright
He who has the best Skype connection wins. - Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: graceful degradation/progressive enhancement are two sides of the same coin. - Tom Morris
so that's fine Robert, so I'll wait 5 years - Don Bonaddio
lol - Moobie
This is the real story: it's the rise of the mobile platform. The big money is going to (or already is) invested in mobile experiences and moved away from web-based experiences.. - Kevin Costain
has "best on any browser" morphed to "best on any platform," or will developers just write around the proprietary stuff? - Frank Paynter
Band sites, restaurant sites, airline sites, car rental sites... - Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: Sorry, I was referring to the conversation on between the video participants. The idea that these companies are looking out for themselves, instead of _____? There isn't anything wrong with a company not looking out for competitors, but they must look out for customers. - Kevin Sablan
The Flash->HTML 'compiler'. Where is it, then? - Tom Morris
IIRC the SFO site uses flash. Can't actually navigate it from my Pre - Ken Sheppardson
Google's tablet will be totally hooked into (and connected to) their suite of tools. - Kevin Costain
lmao - Jamie
no ------- i missed so much..... - Chris Jackson
haha - Kevin Costain
was anyone else recording this? - Moobie
what was taht all about.. haha - Kevin Costain
doesnt ustream save the recording automatically? - Jamie
If he had ustream set up it would auotmatically record each show but he doesnt - David Lloyd
You have to set an option in the admin panel - David Lloyd
love the live experience! - r Macdonald
I'm on the Youtube HTML5 beta and the videos look like shit. Why is that? - Stephen Pickering
my wife doesn't understand Flash or how computers work but she likes to relax playing some simple games online in her browser, guess what, they're all flash - I thought a big demographic for the iPad was everyday people - Don Bonaddio
youtube is almost 70% of all video consumed on the web. so we are talking long tail here. - Jamie
You are seeing the mp4 video not converted, so that makes no sense Stephen - David Lloyd
The same file the user uploaded - David Lloyd
don, i'm sure she'll find no end of free simple games through iphone / ipad apps - dannysullivan
don there are 40,000 simple games in the app store. - Jamie
mp4 with h264 is the new mp3 - Kevin Marks
Google Chrome. - David Lloyd
chrome is cannibalising FF share - Jamie
flash is so damn pervasive that I've seen small children's games shipped that ar just a win32 app wrapped around a flash experience. - Kevin Costain
understood dannysullivan, but that's a transition and most likely an extra cost per app - Don Bonaddio
Also have you guys noticed that quicktime movies play like shit on Chrome, at least on the Mac? - Stephen Pickering
I love Chrome, been using it two weeks, and I'm a long time Firefox hater. Really impressed with Chrome. - Moobie
Kevin! already does that for its videos - David Lloyd
It detects if you have a html5 browser and asks you if you want to use it. - David Lloyd
<video> - David Lloyd
Chrome is okay. Lacks all the plugins of Firefox though. - Tom Morris
I agree, Chrome is my favorite, but if I want to listen or watch a quicktime movie I've got to boot up Safari to have a decent experience - Stephen Pickering
@stephen chrome on the mac suffers badly for any kind of video for me. both flash & html5 is unwatchable. - Jamie
When quicktime things play in my Chrome window I get no playback contorls, just a black bar. - David Lloyd
@tom they have 2,000 plugins already and support greasemonkey. - Jamie
Jamie: they have 2,000 plugins. The plugins I actually use though aren't there. Also, it is *horrible* on Linux. - Tom Morris
Well I'm watching this on Chrome and the Flash is fine, but my quicktime experience terrible, right the controls don't even work, can't pause it or anything - Stephen Pickering
Good episode of GG and only a few hundred of us actually will see it. - David Lloyd
Chrome is still very beta yet. Give it time. - Moobie
@tom 2,000 plugins in just a few months is excellent progress. as it picks up market share momentum will increase - Jamie
Chrome on the Mac doesn't handle the QT plugin well, true - Kevin Marks
Firefox is also horrible on Linux compared to it's windows and mac counterparts. - Moobie
linux is irrelevant - Jamie
Chrome on windows doesn't handle it well either. I play an mp3 on a website and I get a black bar and no contorls - David Lloyd
oodles - Frank Paynter
iPad is not a computer.. :) - Kevin Costain
Ipad jailbreak :) - David Lloyd
Linux is irrelevant. Except for all the developers that build all the shit for all your gadgets. ;) - Tom Morris
Ipad is a post-PC device. - Cliff Gerrish
@tom akin to the sweat shops in india - Jamie
iPad should come jailbroken right out of the box. in fact, connect the ipad to the free wireless just outside the Apple Store, download a jailbreak and THEN start using your iPad.. that's the future of this device.. - Kevin Costain
Jaiku - Ken Sheppardson
I checked my social circle on google the other day. wow. - Jamie
What ever happened to Jaiku? - David Lloyd
Nitpick: s/social graph/social network/g. Seriously. Robert. Stop it please. - Tom Morris
David: It's still running... and they've open sourced it - - Ken Sheppardson
Nice - David Lloyd
Jaiku was dumped into the open source bucket... - Cliff Gerrish
I think social search is the *least* interesting part about these developments - Jamie
Smile scoble. - David Lloyd
I wonder how many people have built their own Jaiku engine or site... - Ken Sheppardson
BINGO, Danny! Social + real-time results + BEHAVIOUR =Nirvana - Kevin Sablan
The social search thing is actually pretty cool for developers. I get content from people I trust. And the people I trust aren't stupid like most people on the Internet are. ;) - Tom Morris
Yay. Flashfail. - Tom Morris
Robert: What will be the source of this feed? Twitter/Facebook or something Google is making? - Kevin Costain
I can see google subsidising their gpads built by OEMs - Jamie
with the cheap reference hardware perhaps they could give them away for free as a loss leader for the advertising - Jamie
Gpad with a Gdisk account means no onboard flash needed :D - David Lloyd
No flash disk needed - until you get into an aeroplane, a railway tunnel or a mobile blackspot. - Tom Morris
Costain: that was for you. - Robert Scoble
Google Labs has offline modes for some apps - David Lloyd
There's Google Checkout - Alex de Soto
Yeah, and that SQLite store in HTML 5 - where does that go? - Tom Morris
...and they're dumping Gears for HTML5 - Ken Sheppardson
Gears is basically HTML 5 beta. - Tom Morris
Tom - sqlite stores a file on your local machine containing the data for future use. - Chris Jackson
the book format for iPad is ePub, which is HTML inside - Kevin Marks
yeah its just a file container - David Lloyd
DRM'able of course :D - David Lloyd
I have an ebook reader. It's called a laptop with a folder full of PDF files. - Tom Morris
I agree with Robert, I'm fine with the $16 price point for eBooks for latest books, for which I buy in hard copy for $30 - r Macdonald
I just buy books and put em on my shelf when I have read them so my friends think I am clever. Screw ebooks. - David Lloyd
Kevin is correct. McMillan are worried that long term amazon controls the reader and the book price and has them over a barrel - Jamie from iPhone
I got ya Robert, I just don't see how Google can reliably pull all that feed information into one place when they want user lock-in (just like anyone else). I see them more likely making a Twitter or Facebook or whatever .clone - Kevin Costain
kinda like appl controlled the price of the 99cents music - Don Bonaddio
@tommorris you prefer PDF to ePub? Really? - Kevin Marks
Imagine reading a book on the ipad, youll be distracted every 2 minutes with new emails, and other things beeping and booping. - David Lloyd
Kevin C: a Google clone of Facebook would be very interesting. - Robert Scoble
No. But I've got thousands and thousands of papers in PDF. I've never downloaded an ePub file in my life. - Tom Morris
@david airplane mode - Jamie
Kevin and Andrew are right, it is about the quality web-connected user experience. - r Macdonald
Of course its going to be DRM'ed with FairPlay :D - David Lloyd
iBooks is ePub but with fairplay DRM. we're back to square one - Jamie
Well in 5 years time the 1 dollar pulp paperback should be out ;) - David Lloyd
I use this thing called a university library. It works pretty well. - Tom Morris
me too. Leeds University has 2 greta libraries. NOTHING beats holding real books. Screw ebooks. - David Lloyd
I don't want to own music. I don't want to own content, in general. I pay ~$15/mo to listen to whatever I want on Zune. - Ken Sheppardson
People are just reading alot less or NOT reading paper at all anymore.. - Kevin Costain
honestly i prefer ebooks. - Jamie
@tommorris iPad will handle PDF too, sure, just like iPhone does now. - Kevin Marks
Holding something 100 years old; the smell. - David Lloyd Google's Social Circles. Check out your social graph! - Robert Scoble
you play songs more than once too - Don Bonaddio
I might buy an ebook reader. For reference books. 900 page XML specs that kinda crap. For anything I actually need to read, paper. - Tom Morris
Google's Social Circles - I like it - I see that turning into something very useful.. Right now.. not so much.. :) - Kevin Costain
Yup. Look at all the distractions around us. We cant read books on an Ipad without checking emails, Friendfeed, twitter, bidding on ebay. Downloading music. - David Lloyd
Watching Daily Show clips, not reading. - David Lloyd
Kevin C: a foundation of a building isn't very useful either. - Robert Scoble
when I was at google and testing Social Circle, m'colleagues complained that all they saw was stuff from me (they didn't blog) - Kevin Marks
I think iPad is a killer form factor for magazines and newspapers. - Jamie
I prefer the actual newspaper :) - David Lloyd
the NYT app looked glorious - Jamie
And i like flicking through the magazines on the news stand and picking one. - David Lloyd
save the trees david, save the trees - Jamie
Robert: I agree with you - often the importance of the foundation is lost on people too. i think you're right about Google planning something big in that space. . - Kevin Costain
hehe - David Lloyd
I mean, what the hell - you want to make books suck as much as iTunes DRM? DVD CSS region restriction? What a load of crap. - Tom Morris
Google ePub files available here: - Kevin Marks
The thing is, people will not stop reading paper. There is a backlash brewing (or already here) about how DUMB everyone is getting because they dont read. Check out the PBS doc.. - Kevin Costain
We can go buy our DRM apple books, then in a few years pay for "ibooks pro" with no DRM :) - David Lloyd
I'll just buy the hardback and "rip-it" to all my devices :-) - Don Bonaddio
iPod ==> iPad ==> and coming soon the iPud! - Frank Paynter
The fact that Amazon can remove books remotely from your Kindle is ridiculous. - Tom Morris
Is the public library dead yet? - Ken Sheppardson
Thankfully not. - Tom Morris
I think the public library (and the private library) are more powerful than ever. - Cliff Gerrish
proprietary vs open - Don Bonaddio
I'm surprised Andrew Keen hasn't ranted about the libertarian tech geeks wanting to burn down our libraries. ;) - Tom Morris
The public libraries are not hurting here in Toronto. I think we Canucks see this as an essential service.. :) - Kevin Costain
I guess Andrew cares more about making money than the freedom to read. - Tom Morris
libraries are moving into providing digital books anyway - Hilary Talbot
I wonder if any libraries let you check out Kindles yet. - Ken Sheppardson
the move to digital libraries is proving to be quite painful because of copyright issues :( - David Lloyd
They don't need to. If everything is online, you don't need a library anymore. The Pirate Bay/Rapidshare/BitTorrent is the online digital library. - Tom Morris
You have unlimited copies digitally versus a few in the library physiclally. Its difficult - David Lloyd
Neither. - David Lloyd
You go onto BitTorrent and search for "10000 psychology ebooks collection" and you download a folder full of PDFs... - Tom Morris
Neither will be on the iPad.. ! - Kevin Costain
Yeah I am sure i'll steal a bunch of crap and buy some too. - David Lloyd
Silverlight will be on the iPad the day after you can install Safari on your ChromeOS tablet. - Ken Sheppardson
Apple will come out with their own "standard" for video on the web. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Stranger things have happened. I refer to Apple 1997. - David Lloyd
The standard is a mp4 file with h264 accelerators :D - David Lloyd
Did anyone read Seth Godin's bullshit about libraries? What a load of nonsense. - Tom Morris
it actually cant record video well. very low fps rate on the 3g - Jamie
no, link it - David Lloyd
@manielse Apple went with h264 in mp4, and drove the licensing debate so that it was viable - Kevin Marks
True Kevin... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
it almost is a web interface - Jamie
Youtube becoming music search engine - - michael sean wright
the entire itunes store is now in html - Jamie
Apple + Lala = web-based iTunes. Distribution of the sales interface. - Cliff Gerrish
lol Robert - Moobie
Gillmor Gang uses Flash! - David Lloyd
Scoble nano vs. ScoblePad - Tom Morris
I am buying - David Lloyd
I'm buying one. - Robert Scoble
I'm down for the iPad! - r Macdonald
Yes, i'll buy the iPad.. i will buy two or more! - Kevin Costain
I have my money set aside already Steve - Jamie
wait for rev2 - Don Bonaddio
Fuck no. iPad is APple's move from computer company to ridiculous bullshit toy company. - Tom Morris
I'm buying an iPad for sure, can't wait - Stephen Pickering
will buy iPad because i enjoy the iPod touch. - michael sean wright
Thanks everyone! - Kevin Costain
waiting for the competition, JooJoo, Google, HP Slate etc - Moobie
I'll be getting an iPad so Ribbit can turn it into a phone - Kevin Marks
Fini - David Lloyd
My Eee gets 10 hours battery life. I can write whatever the fuck I want for it. All open source. And it has a keyboard. - Tom Morris
As soon as I can find a good old flip phone that'll let me tether over WiFi, I'lll dump my smartphone and get an iPad. - Ken Sheppardson
...provided a WiFi hotspot, that is - Ken Sheppardson
the transition will happen. some folks will need to be dragged kicking and screaming, but it will happen... and very quickly for the key things (video). the peripheral stuff, designer label websites and so on are fine as they are. I dont think people are dying for that kind of content to be accessible on a phone anyway. - Jamie
@JC Companies will move if it means survival of keeping their audience. Apple has huge influence to that, especially in the consumer space. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Ken, a MiFi + iPad seems to be a big play right now, just as a MiFi + iPhone is a great solution too -- of course the MiFi monthly charge is probably a bit too much for the average person, like myself - Chris Heath
Depending on your need (mostly near Wifi), the MiFi PrePaid plans may be worth it for those 'occasional' roaming needs. Or I'm sure tethering to phone options will surface..., - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
it wasn't the buzz messages. it was the automatic follows via GMail contacts that was the problem anyway. - Karoli
I don't want to know what Kevin is having for lunch. I want to know whose lunch Google is eating. - Michael Markman
HUH? Hasn't Twitter had geolocation for awhile? - Karoli
I just want to hide it once. Not every single time someone replies. - Karoli
Yes, I am going to buy 2. One for my stepdad and one for me. - Karoli
Yes to iPad... (by when? still unknown) - Michael Markman
@karoli Buzz has geolocation integrated into a mobile map product. - Michael Markman
@mickeleh the reason I'm unimpressed is because a) I hate geolocation; and b) it makes me use the stupid map to upload a pic. - Karoli
Om had a great post today about why he wants one. I totally agree. - Karoli
Siri is amazing. - Karoli
Siri is Alan Kay's decades-old vision of agents negotiating on your behalf over the Net. - Michael Markman
If you twits are wondering if I'm talking to myself...I'm not. I'm watching GillmorGang here... - Karoli
Twitter borks so often I can't imagine it doing such a thing. LOL. It has difficulty doing what it does. - Karoli
Hey kids, what I miss? - Aron Michalski
Scobuster? - Aron Michalski
Aron +1 - Karoli
Robert, I love ya but the angle you're at right now is awful. - Karoli
LOL....Robert caught gaping like a fish... - Karoli
...wondering when Gillmor Gang will come to my Roku. - Karoli
disruptive in different ways. iPad is a consumption product; Buzz is a creation/aggregation product. - Karoli
the item in my hand is far more disruptive than the item I don't have. - Aron Michalski
I agree w/ Gillmor. It' not either or.. The disruption is multiplied with iPad x Buzz. - Michael Markman
Excellent show. Thanks to all those who participated and especially those who didn't. - Michael Markman
really good show. bye bye - Karoli
Robert Scoble
So far the best coverage is from -- @leolaporte is doing live video reports from the Apple event.
You just answered my question..that's where I went 1st and was wondering if you were monitoring his show. - Owen Greaves
They were saying that there are over 20,000 people watching - Owen Greaves
They are a little over the top. While cool, I'm not sure this is something I'd let a kid stay home to watch - Aram Zucker-Scharff
I'm loving this! :-) I'm watching i'm in the chat room we're 1100 strong, watching Leo and Andy provide live coverage while Alex and Dr Kiki cover at the Twit cottage... this tablet release is a historical moment... but even more important than that is the level of this coverage. Leo Laporte just set a major historical milestone for social media. :-) - Moobie
Thomas Hawk
6-year-old Colorado boy floats away in balloon - -
6-year-old Colorado boy floats away in balloon -
"(CNN) -- Officials are trying to rescue a 6-year-old boy who climbed into a balloon-like experimental aircraft built by his parents and floated into the sky over eastern Colorado. Margie Martinez of the Weld County Sheriff's Office said a sibling saw the boy climb into the basket before the balloon took off. Since the door on the balloon was unlocked, Martinez said it's possible the boy had fallen out. The balloon appeared to be a saucer-shaped, Mylar-coated helium balloon, not unlike a party balloon. The craft was drifting eastward, authorities said. The helium balloon was tethered to the boy's family home in Fort Collins, the Larimer County Sheriff's Department said. The boy got into the craft Thursday morning and undid the rope anchoring it. The department said the dome-shaped balloon is 20 feet long and 5 feet high." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
The balloon just came down to a soft landing. - Moobie
With no boy inside. - Manny Flores
Who deleted the balloon boy and why? - Jeff Wilson
Aggghhh!!! Boy! Boy ! Boy! Balloon! Balloon! Balloon!!! You know how many kids starve to death every single day? - Shepherd Johnson
that's not funny. - Mo Tabesh
that's terrible actually... - bluetick
that is horrrrible. do they know where the boy is yet? - Jess Dennis
that's just awful. - Thomas Hawk
@joey: We are??? Shoot, now you tell me. :D - ChiliMac
This reminds me of 12 Monkey's. - Manny Flores
"Deputy: Object seen falling from balloon" - bluetick
"However, a spokeswoman for the Larimer County sheriff’s office, Kathy Messick, contradicted that fact. She said that when the balloon landed, the box was still attached to the balloon." - Jeff Wilson
This is getting incredibly juicy. It may be a hoax by the father for national media attention - Jeff Wilson
what? They think it might be a hoax. What a horrible hoax if that turns out to be true. - Thomas Hawk
Something fell, here's the video showing it: - Jeremy Brooks
No one has called it a hoax in the media, but some of the things they are posting is leading people that direction. The father called the news outlets immediately after take off, and not the police for 30 minutes - Jeff Wilson
And if you havent seen, the family was featured on TV on the show Wife Swap recently - Jeff Wilson
doh! - Jeremy Brooks
i don't read anywhere that the kid has been found, what's your source cmiper? - bluetick
i see it on the new york times site. he was hiding in a box. im certifying it hoax and laying full blame on the father. next, please - Jeff Wilson
yeah? Wow. - Thomas Hawk
what's your source??? - bluetick
cnn is showing this now - bluetick
wow, a hoax, really? What a truly horrible hoax. - Thomas Hawk
Getting tweets confirming this (source quoted was ABC news). - Jeremy Brooks
he was found in a box in the family's garage.... - bluetick
kid became afraid after people starting searching for him and hid in a box in the garage attic, thinking he was going to be in trouble, the 7 year old brother kept to his story of seeing the child climb into a box on the balloon. Not confirmed as a hoax as the issue is still being investigated. - Tsali - A dude man
damn. If my kids ever pull this sort of stunt they'll be no Xbox 360 for a week. - Thomas Hawk
I'm still calling parental hoax. - EricaJoy
I dunno as an ex 6YO with good memory not sure if kids being kids won't be casue - WarLord
Ok, maybe no XBox for 2 weeks. - Thomas Hawk
"Falcon's parents, science enthusiasts Richard and Mayumi Heene, were featured on the 100th episode of ABC's prime-time program "Wife Swap" in March, ABC said." ...I dunno, from what I'm seeing on this wife swap clip, I would probably call them pseudo-science enthusiasts... they seem a bit odd, anyways. - Stephanie Keating
maybe the kid got the idea here: Pretty much the exact same thing happens to Curious Geogre in that story. I know because I've read it to my kids dozens of times. Maybe it's time to stop reading them this book. - Thomas Hawk
did u add the link to csratr already? - Ricardo Liberato
Liber it's in the group description on the flickr page. Unfortunately there is no more space in the FF group description as they limit the number of characters. - Thomas Hawk
but if you find a way to add... we can be flickr independent to vote! - Ricardo Liberato
use one of those url shortenr - Ricardo Liberato
hmmm.. good idea. I'll try. - Thomas Hawk
try using links - Ryan MacLean
or, even shorter. FF has, but I don't know of a way that you can use it other than when posting to twitter. - Ryan MacLean
Think I'm glad that I was hunkered down at work during this story. - Michelle
I wish so much that he'd gone along for the ride. I bet he does, too. Oddly enough, this episode made me realize David Shuster of MSNBC is a bit of a tool. - Anthony Citrano
Anne Bouey
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | Teenager has eyelash transplant -
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | Teenager has eyelash transplant
"A woman from Greater Manchester has become the first person in the UK to undergo an eyelash transplant. Louise Thomas, 19, from Stockport, had the treatment because she suffers from trichotillomania - obsessive plucking or pulling out hair. The four-hour procedure involves taking hair from the back of the head, and placing individual hairs into cuts in the eyelid. The lashes thicken up gradually between four and six months after treatment. Miss Thomas said: "Having suffered from trichotillomania for 17 years, I learned to accept that I'd never have real lashes again. That's quite a hard issue for a young girl to come to terms with. "When I heard about this treatment it sounded too good to be true but the results are absolutely amazing." The procedure was pioneered in the United States. Shami Thomas, from Transform, which carried out the surgery, said: "We often look to America for the latest in cosmetic surgery as they are the pioneers in the industry, but not all are as successful and safe as this one."" - Anne Bouey from Bookmarklet
I don't get it. If she obsessively pulls them out, how will putting the hair back in the same place help? - Louis Gray
Louis, I'm guessing that she's in treatment and has beaten her trichotillomania, and now wants the eyelashes back? Just a guess, though. - Rochelle
I guess she's cured. What I don't understand is why she'd go to the trouble of surgery. My aunt plucked her eyebrows so much they never grew back in and I know another woman who did the same. Both continued to paint their eyebrows in. Which made sense seeing as they were big makeup wearers anyway. - Spidra Webster
I think Rochelle is correct. This procedure would be well worth it if she had some form of counseling beforehand. - Moobie
Spidra, this girl had her eyelashes replaced. - Anne Bouey
Dave Winer
Four logicians are having breakfast. Waitress asks -- Will you all be having coffee? The first logician says "I don't know." Second says "I don't know." Third says "I don't know." Fourth says "No." The waitress returns with their coffees. Who gets coffee?
The puzzle actually has a solution. - Dave Winer
1, 2, and 3. - Tudor Bosman
The first three. Anyone who wasn't having coffee could safely say "no". If anyone before the fourth said no, it would be indeterminate. - Matt M (inactive)
The first three were unsure, the forth one was the only one having coffee, he said no because he is the only one to have coffee. - Moobie
Well, they're *not* at the Nonlinear Cafe, that much I can deduce :) - Micah
Tudor and Matt got it. The question wasn't "Who wants coffee?" - Dave Winer
Fourth knows she doesn't want coffee, so she says no, they will not ALL be having coffee. - Arek Dreyer
FF is good for puzzles. If you don't want to see the answer you don't have to. :-) - Dave Winer
But what about upside down coffee cups? - Arek Dreyer
What if the question was "Does anyone want coffee?" - Arek Dreyer
If the question was "Does anyone want coffee?" then we wouldn't be here talking about this now. :-D - Moobie
Arek, the answer would then be "nobody gets coffee". - Matt M (inactive)
maybe, maybe, maybe, yes. (Arek, these would have to be the answers, for it to make sense). - Panayotis Vryonis
The first three are ordering coffee, but don't know if the rest are. The last is not, and can safely say "No." Any other answer doesn't work, AFAICT. - Tanath
Why is it ruled out that the fourth gets coffee? He could be merely mistaken. Him not getting coffee is not a warranted true belief until he, in fact, doesn't get coffee. - Mark Trapp
the first three get coffee. the first three all would have been able to say "no" if they were not having coffee since that would mean they were not ALL having coffee. But because they were having coffee, and didn't know what the remaining people were going to answer, they could only say "I don't know". - David Aronchick
All four get coffee because the waitress was confused by their indirect method of answering her question so when she returned she simply left the pot on the table. - Garin Kilpatrick
Coffee for all! :) - Garin Kilpatrick
Where's the credit to Will Shortz and Merl Reagle??? btw - I like @DavidAronchick's answer! - Mark Chance
Excellent. I'll ask that the first person I'll be interviewing for a job :-) - Till
@Till: "Will you be having coffee?" "-Yes" "-You are hired!" - Jemm
Friendfeed works well for this. With the answer in the comments it is not immediately visible and gives the reader an opportunity to think before seeing the solution. - Scott Magoon
Apparently this was on NPR yesterday. I heard it from a friend who (I guess) must have heard it there. - Dave Winer
Reminds me of the Amtrak announcement at limited stations, "All doors will not open." - Jim Spath
We all know the answer to who gets coffee. It is 42. But who got the decaf? Did they use milk, non-dairy creamer, sugar, artificial sweetener...? That is the true test, the real conundrum. Answer that please. - Richard
No-one knows if they will all be having coffee or not until the fourth says 'no' because he surely knows the answer to her question ie that he does not want any. Waitress and other three now know they will not 'all' be having coffee so she brings enough for three. They give her a large tip. - Denise Danks
Should I try to answer this question before or after I have coffee this morning?? - Jannifer @wordsforliving
as the question was "will you *ALL* want coffee" , then there must be three OR LESS coffees delivered, as the fourth person was definitely not having coffee, being the only one who KNEW they wouldn't ALL be having coffee - kosso
@Samuel Wood: I would disagree. The first three HAVE to say 'I dont know' as they have no idea if they will ALL get coffee. It doesn't mean they all chose to have coffee at all. - kosso
I'll have a coke and a muffin to go - Johnny
1, 2 & 3 were having coffee, since their answer was YES, but they could not confirm if they would ALL be having coffee. The fourth one was the only one who could really answer the question, after hearing everyone elses' answer. He did not want any coffee, so he replied NO. (i.e.: whoever did not want coffee would have been in a position to give a negative answer. The fact that it was the last one is logiacal, but tricky) 3coffees please - constantinos alexacos
I think any of the earlier ones could have said no if they didn't want coffee, but then the riddle would be unanswerable, yes? Because the later responders would have to say no whether they wanted coffee or not. - Jandy from iPhone
Exactly, Jandy. - Brome
I think that was an extremely patient waitress. - Ian Mulvany
Yes, the puzzle should have mentioned that not only is the waitress patient but she was a logician as well. - Dave Winer
first three. i'm with louis. - Marg Uerite
Only the person who gave the 'right' answer gets coffee, but he said no. - Bob Boynton
The answer is me. Because answering logic puzzles before I've had my coffee is too damned hard. - Steven Perez
all of them get coffee - excpet the last bugger - Peter Dawson
1,2 & 3 get coffee, as answering "no" means "not all 4 of us": the last is the only one who can see the whole picture, so the first three cannot say "yes" - they lack information. Starting with the first: if he wants coffee, he just knows that 1 on 4 will be served and his answer is "I don't know" (he doesn't know about the other 3). If he doesn't want coffee, then he knows for sure... more... - Fabio
Louis Gray
Thanks to Spotify, I am enjoying Echo and the Bunnymen. Good stuff.
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Still can't use Spotify - Bwana ☠
:( - Josh Haley
Still have no idea what Spotify is. - Anika
Love Spotify, not in the US yet though. - Jessica Lares
Very jealous Louis- can't wait for a good software music offering (have never liked iTunes). Pleasantly surprised with some of your musical interests (Deadmau5, Underworld, Armin, etc.) - Alex Calic
Alex, I enjoy great music. Much more here: and here: - Louis Gray
just seeing your music page for the first time... that just rocks- checking out KavaTunes now! - michael sean wright
Will definitely check it out. I'd add Sander Kleinenberg to the list :p - he's also fun to follow on Twitter - Alex Calic
Press Beta, Travis. (2 days in and love it) - Louis Gray
:-) - Jesse Stay
Travis, yes, you should - Jesse Stay
Louis, it's mean you won't give it to me (even though I'm your wife) because you don't want to hear my music. :-( - Kristine Gray
LOL - I love that Kristine is on here now :-) Louis, yeah, why won't you let your wife have a copy? - Jesse Stay
Wait - what type of music do you like, Kristine? - Jesse Stay
Jesse, I don't have invites, otherwise, maybe I would "let her" have one. - Louis Gray
Doesn't yours, Holden? Oh yeah. :) - Louis Gray
You don't need a invitation. just sign up with a U.K mail address and connect via a U.K vpn and it will work. I am in Mexico and i can use it without any problem and for free of course. There is also a way to use the premium service without paying but that i will not share for obvious reasons. - Avatar X from FriendFooV2
I also like the Echo app for Last.FM when you want a more online radio experience. Otherwise i just use my Zune Pass most of the time. - Avatar X from FriendFooV2
This is not available in Canada. :-( - Moobie
Travis, anything. It's good to just write at least semi-regularly. Speak what's on your mind. I often keep a list so when I don't have something to write about I can refer back to. - Jesse Stay
My goal is usually at least twice a week, but I should probably still be doing more. Twice a week is sufficient for most, though. - Jesse Stay
Leo Laporte
Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Mike Arrington, Hugh McLeod, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, and Loren Feldman. Discuss here...
how did he die ? - John Hillestad
legal herion ? - John Hillestad
I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx - David Lloyd
Oh, just found this chat... thanks - Tina Chase Gillmor
wow - Karoli
kevin's link into breaks - Karoli
my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army - Andrew Johnson
wow - David Lloyd
wow... - Chris Heath
I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo. - Mike Lewis
this will be news [edit: and it was & and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up ] - Chris Heath
no drama leo - Chris Heath
by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased - David Lloyd
Techcrunch SUCKS! - Jason Hansen
I'm so happy! - Jason Hansen
wow - just wow - Devin Baines
shortest gillmor gang ever - Karoli
lol that was classic - Chris Saad
Wow, social media drama! - imabonehead
/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap - Omar Egan
Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first. - Dave
Leo blew his top! - John Hillestad
It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky! - Jason Hansen
man i only just caught the end - what happened? - h1ro
I missed it too - Simon Wicks
about time - Jim Posner
arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre - Karoli
Props Leo - Nick Rae
Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON - David Lloyd
Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it. - Jason Hansen
Leo for President - Matthew
what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront - h1ro
wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns. - Kiran Patchigolla
Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time. - Mike Lewis
Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network - Steven (optionshiftk)
The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased - David Lloyd
wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo - Andrew Johnson
Arrington's an asshole - Devin Baines
What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo - David Schmidt
@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction - Chris Saad
relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here - decjr
Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech - Matthew
Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling. - Leo Laporte
michael arrington Leo always discloses that info - Andrew Johnson
got funky hold music on calliflower - Kevin Marks
Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful! - Mike Lewis
You have nothing to apologize for Leo - Matthew
Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right - David Lloyd
You did the right thing Leo! - Omar Egan
as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional.... - John Hillestad
@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure - h1ro
Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect - Harvey Birdman
nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL - Karoli
No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries - Erle Stride
Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow. - Colin
did i miss something? - Kevin Marks
I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk. - Jason Hansen
yes Kevin - Matthew
the audio should go viral soon - Jim Posner
Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion. - Karoli
Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time. - Omar Egan
Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious? - Jason Hansen
well, that was interesting. - Chris Pugh
Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho - Devin Baines
you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life - David Lloyd
Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'. - Karoli
You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one. - Mike
Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way. - Colin
@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction - Chris Saad
thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off.... - John Hillestad
michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding - Chris Heath
apologies if i overeacted xxx - David Lloyd
Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off. - Aron Michalski
It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing. - Omar Egan
Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest. - Kim Landwehr
I'll be uploading the audio here: - Jack
as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host - h1ro
yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish? - Matthew
kim they were talking about how it was a review model... - Chris Heath
Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff? - Aron Michalski
Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish. - Jason Hansen
@jason who said that? - h1ro
I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities. - Joel Asaro
Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased. - Paulius G
If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue - Harvey Birdman
Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show. - Karoli
cliff - please call me if you can - Tina Chase Gillmor
the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values! - h1ro
I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo! - John Blanton
tina - which #? d msg me. - Cliff Gerrish
Waiting for the TC post :) - Chris Saad
im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong - David Lloyd
Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays) - Chris Heath
Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges. - Thusenth
I'll miss Mike Arrington =( - Colin
just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile. - Karoli
Karoli - i was shocked too! - Chris Heath
yes, it was brewing for months - David Lloyd
Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p - LPH™ and his dog P™
I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo - Chris Pugh
Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man. - Kim Landwehr
Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long? - Jason Hansen
What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT? - Aron Michalski
Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube? - Mike Hellers
I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways. - Omar Egan
years no doubt :p - David Lloyd
I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted. - Jason Hansen
I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho - David Lloyd
Go Leo! :-) - Moobie
Is Tina Gillmor still in here? - Jason Hansen
Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL - Karoli
Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly. - invariant
Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door. - Jim Posner
very true, invariant - Eric Florenzano
good point invariant - Chris Heath
hey Tina - sorry this happened - Hilary Talbot
Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :) - Mike Lewis
Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident - Steven (optionshiftk)
The Mike: Arrington will never change. - Jason Hansen
Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo. - Colin
I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too. - Karoli
love you tina, you are a top chick xxx - David Lloyd
Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore. - Mike Lewis
Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week... - Karoli
thanks @Mike Bracco - detorn
I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang! - Wo
Karoli - let's get together when you do - Tina Chase Gillmor
Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction. - invariant
I'm very shocked... for the record - Tina Chase Gillmor
In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home." - Paul E. Ester
crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show - Will Fifer
What happened? - J. Gilbert - Joe Gilbert
I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week. - Wo
Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff. - Colin
yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move - h1ro
Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh - Chris Saad
re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist - David Lloyd
If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged. - Steven (optionshiftk)
He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it - Chris Saad
it was not staged, the anger was real - David Lloyd
Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that. - Wo
I thought Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)
If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;) - Colin
So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week? - Dave
I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker - Chris Pugh
I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT. - Wo
GG is not dead, it will be back - David Lloyd
just not on twit - David Lloyd
well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off - russellcoleman
@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move - h1ro
Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)
Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired. - Robert Scoble
yes russelcoleman haha - David Lloyd
got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle - detorn
Leo took his ball and is going home. - Wo
arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before - Moose
you missed a classic Scoble - David Lloyd
lol - detorn
it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo - David Lloyd
Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here! - Paulius G
@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here - Chris Saad
@scoble action replay - h1ro
This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned. - David Peralta
russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL - Karoli
Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Dan is censoring the irc chat room... - John Hillestad
I was looking forward to the Pre discussion. - Wo
Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday. - Troy
Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert - Tina Chase Gillmor
hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time - David Lloyd
I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo - Chris Lindhartsen
think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded - David Lloyd
was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home - Moose
Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit - Tina Chase Gillmor
HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on! - invariant
Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3? - Karoli
Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington. - Wo
I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert - Joe Gilbert
Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change. - Aron Michalski
Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it. - Chris Lindhartsen
not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx - David Lloyd
"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times - jccalhoun
they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good - Mike
Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened? - tollie williams
Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday - Tina Chase Gillmor
Dan is a tool - David Lloyd
Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun. - Karoli
its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan.... - John Hillestad
There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool. - Colin
There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident. - Steven (optionshiftk)
that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy - Moose
I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry - Mike
you can't censor something if you aren't the government - jccalhoun
FF just gained a lot of points. - Colin
I am behind you leo - Theodore Grabow
Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo's rant > Christian Bale's - Chris
twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last - jccalhoun
if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire - Mike
jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL - Karoli
yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words - David Lloyd
Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here. - Colin
Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say... - Amyloo
Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now. - Bwana ☠
there is/was an adult irc channel - Moose
And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate. - Colin
mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there. - jccalhoun
hey Amy - Hilary Talbot
Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show - Stephen Pickering
facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods - David Lloyd
Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun - Bwana ☠
hey hil, did you catch that? - Amyloo
My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime. - Robert Hafer
yes, it was all over in minutes... - Hilary Talbot
Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time .... - Michael Holzinger
yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed! - David Lloyd
Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense? - LPH™ and his dog P™
I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo - John Hillestad
I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away. - Paul E. Ester
Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does). - tollie williams
i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods... - jccalhoun
Dan runs a tight ship - russellcoleman
When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly. - Colin
Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege - Bwana ☠
I would assume Leo will delete this conversation - Steven (optionshiftk)
oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right. - Karoli
Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something. - Robert Scoble
the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak! - zefyr
If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it. - Holger Eilhard
Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs - Stephen Pickering
Robert - you certainly did - Devin Baines
I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?" - Thusenth
OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing - Tina Chase Gillmor
Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week. - Wo
Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open. - Colin
cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed ' - John Hillestad
LOL @ Scobles understatement - Moose
google indexes this stuff fast anyway - Karoli
Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements - Tina Chase Gillmor
resume as in today.. somewhere else? - Moose
good old steve, another one of the good guys - David Lloyd
today Tina? - Wo
any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"... - Aron Michalski
thanks for the update @tina - h1ro
Will Steve try and stream it over ustream? - Steven (optionshiftk)
not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC - Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: - invariant
@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it. - Antoniu
TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though. - Jason Hansen
I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he... more... - Leo Laporte
Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. - Karoli
Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening... - Aron Michalski
This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again. - David Ford
And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...? - Holger Eilhard
good statement Leo - David Lloyd
I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo! - Patrick Hall
Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes? - Michael Kaiser
Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit. - Simon Tracey
WTG Leo - Moose
he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :( - David Lloyd
Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing. - Jason Hansen
Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate - David Lloyd
It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT - Bwana ☠
Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? hasn't been updated since April. - Thusenth
@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT. - David Ford
You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible. - Colin
Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)
Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC - David Lloyd
doesnt mention leo tho - David Lloyd
lmao Bwana - Moose
@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea - h1ro
What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT - Karoli
I would never kick you off Bwana! - Leo Laporte
Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington. - Jason Hansen
GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun. - Libertine
Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty. - Leo Laporte
Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area. - Mike
Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw
Leo :) - Bwana ☠
I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive... - Aron Michalski
Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything. - Chuck
Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live. - Steven (optionshiftk)
"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol - Erle Stride
Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out. - Adam Windisch
Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show. - Jerry Schuman
wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys - BryanSchuetz
MP3 of the whole show: - Jack
The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it - David Lloyd
I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread. - Mike Saraf
Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote. - Karoli
@mark link for arringtons post on tc? - h1ro
I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example). - Patrick Sullivan
Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat. - Bwana ☠
Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled. - Chris Pugh
I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best - Moose
Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident. - Colin
@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though. - Antoniu
Bwana Who's Erie? - Erle Stride
it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached - David Lloyd
Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke - Tina Chase Gillmor
With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan. - Karoli
Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses - Bwana ☠
i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds - David Lloyd
:) - Bwana ☠
Leo is going on techmeme? - David Lloyd
I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal - zefyr
Bwana I know just breaking balls - Erle Stride
I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship. - tollie williams
I deserved it :) - Bwana ☠
irc has a gossip filter? - Moose
Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'. - Karoli
Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang. - Paul E. Ester
So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it - BryanSchuetz
IRC is back for anyone interested - Mike
Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through. - Bwana ☠
Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week? - Dave
So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW - Erle Stride
FF > IRC - David Lloyd
Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P - Mike Lewis
until they add custom formatting here? Lo - David Lloyd
Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo. - John Brazel
you got that one right Professor. - John Blanton from twhirl
Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible. - Zee.
Full show here, it was good at the beginning: - Jack
RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)" - David Lloyd
Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional. - Paulius G
Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT. - Nir Ben Yona
If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real - Chris Pugh
well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance - David Lloyd
Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through! - Robert Scoble
Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family... more... - Leo Laporte
Well said Leo! - Harvey Birdman
I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet - David Lloyd
Leo has 30 year history of integrity - David Lloyd
@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise - Chris Saad
Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too. - Robert Scoble
He was just getting the disclosures out of the way - Chris Saad
Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish. - Karoli
Leo you are beyond reproach. - BryanSchuetz
right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion - h1ro
Chris, there was more than that to it - Karoli
We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result - Devin Baines
Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit. - Leo Laporte
Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington. - David Ford
What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?" - Colin
No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way - Chris Saad
You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike - David Peralta
re colin, flame baiting? - David Lloyd
Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed - TunisianGuy
It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab. - Karoli
can you call tina please Leo xx - David Lloyd
@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content - h1ro
Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear - Bwana ☠
@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't" - Chris Saad
I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess. - Robert Scoble
Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment? - Colin
Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second! - Jack
Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG. - Michael Ritter
Leo got Pwned lol. - Matt Ruiz
friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr. - Karoli
RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo - Harvey Birdman
Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week. - Professor Messer
Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you. - Lise
We love you Leo! - Moobie
that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win - BryanSchuetz
Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose. - Robert Scoble
Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died. - Karoli
@Robert choose life :) - Chris Saad
Well said, Robert. - David Ford
Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own - David Lloyd
Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later - Moose
Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time. - Robert Scoble
@Mark yes I do - Chris Saad
:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says... - Thomas McGivern
Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions. - Karoli
@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :) - Chris Saad
Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics .... - Jason Beck
Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-) - Robert Scoble
Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A) - earl wallace
Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :( - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
@Robert lol true I guess - Chris Saad
Agreed, this is life. - Colin
@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation! - Adnan
Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr - David Lloyd
Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways. - Aron Michalski
In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware! - Mike Lewis
Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though. - Robert Scoble
Its not late to bring some peace back - Johni Fisher
You don't bully leo though scoble - Jack
...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture. - Karoli
I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world..... - Stanley Suan
Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :) - Chris Saad
Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too. - Robert Scoble
You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes - David Lloyd
It's on the reddits now - - James
"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book - jccalhoun
Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation.. - Kim Landwehr
was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri? - Steve Ford
Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli. - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed
No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte! - John Brazel
Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :) - Chris Saad
Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday. - Robert Scoble
Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us - Tina Chase Gillmor
whats arringtons take on all this? - Dano Hart
he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog - David Lloyd
Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings? - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed
I like cheese. - Benjamin Grelle
Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything? - Harvey Birdman
@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before. - Hilary Talbot
I like John Cheese - David Lloyd
that was @karoli, sorry - Hilary Talbot
Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm - TunisianGuy
Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry - Stephen Pickering
Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk - Moobie
@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley - Chris Saad
Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too. - Robert Scoble
There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly. - Leo Laporte
Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is... - Aron Michalski
I agree with Harvey, no one cares - David Peralta
@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo. - Harvey Birdman
Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike... more... - Grady Joslin
has gillmore commented - Steve Ford
I think most of us would agree leo - Jack
@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir. - David Ford
I agree with you Leo - Theodore Grabow
Updated the bootleg feed: - Jack
Agreed Leo - Moobie
Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes! - Stephen Pickering
Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network - russellcoleman
Waffles are also delicious. - Benjamin Grelle
Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh - Robert Scoble
i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe - Dano Hart
arrington posts on techcrunch - jccalhoun
Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed. - Robert Scoble
Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments - David Lloyd
He respects Leo I think - David Lloyd
Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting. - Nir Ben Yona
@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious - Dano Hart
anyway to get the latest post at the top? - detorn
obama is too busy going on ' date night ' - John Hillestad
Good post from Mike. - invariant
Good post form Mike. with an apology - David Lloyd
Mike apologizes to Leo - David Peralta
if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology - David Lloyd
Respect exists. - David Lloyd
Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo - Austin Garrod
yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms - David Lloyd
Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away. - Karoli
if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing? - jccalhoun
well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think? - David Lloyd
Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry. - Kim Landwehr
In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here - Bwana ☠
the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it... - detorn
finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff - Christopher Harris
whats that tech site which has the gutter news? - David Lloyd
I now have a headache - Bwana ☠
James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be - David Lloyd
To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think. - Simon Tracey
Weakest. Apology. Ever. - Eric Florenzano
Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider. - Leo Laporte
Leo-don't, he's not worth it. - Harvey Birdman
"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is - detorn
Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception - Kyle
@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe - Dano Hart
Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running... - John Hillestad
Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up. - Lise
I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give. - Kim Landwehr
Make peace not war Leo. - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you. - David Lloyd
Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host. - Dave
Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution? - Jason Beck
You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future - Johni Fisher
Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;) - David Ford
Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future. - Robert Kenney
Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided. - Adam Turetzky
Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe? - Randy Green
Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre - Bwana ☠
Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo. - Michael Kaiser
In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity. - Benjamin Grelle
I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo. - John Brazel
It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone. - Chris Lindhartsen
It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it. - Moobie
No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness. - Libertine
Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves. - Richard Coppen
I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap. - Grady Joslin
just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it - Austin Garrod
Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work. - Robert Lee
Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs. - saf
keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good - Christopher Harris
I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is. - detorn
Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to... more... - Robert Scoble
What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour? - Kyle
I left that comment over on TechCrunch. - Robert Scoble
You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them? - Karoli
I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time. - Heiti Kruusmaa
Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show - Amyloo
wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit? - Austin Garrod
Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre. - Steve Ford
I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now? - Randy Green
Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff... more... - Robert Scoble
I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: - David Schmidt
Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately. - Karoli
in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias. - Tobias Lewsadder
I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C - Andrew Johnson
Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else. - Rob Blatt
Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings! - Chris
I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content. - Wo
@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about - BryanSchuetz
Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network. - Robert Scoble
I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn' - kenneth glenn
The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology! - Colin
Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT. - Joel Asaro
Colin: we are passionate, aren't we? - Robert Scoble
@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: - David Schmidt
Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way. - Colin
Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it? - Robert Scoble
@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic? - BryanSchuetz
it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think. - Karoli
If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board. - Chris Pugh
I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding. - Colin
I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum. - Wo
Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me. - Robert Scoble
Wo - and that's a first? :) - Bwana ☠
@Chris P - what would that solve? - Lise
so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted? - Steve Ford
You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to. - Colin
Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days - Andrew Johnson
Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch. - BryanSchuetz
Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available. - Chris Pugh
i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo - Andrew Villafane
Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead. - Robert Scoble
wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)... - Heiti Kruusmaa
I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down. - Kim Landwehr
If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else. - Colin
We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV - TunisianGuy
Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the who knows? - Karoli
Colin: the show will continue. - Robert Scoble
leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation. - Tobias Lewsadder
I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week. - Aron Michalski
Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side. - Owen Greaves
hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it - Andrew Villafane
Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services. - Karoli
I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace. - Leo Laporte
Nice, move along people ;) - David Lloyd
Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another. - Joel Asaro
Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough. - Robert Scoble
Nice to see that it all worked out so well. - Antoniu
Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang! - Robert Scoble
Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin' - Karoli
arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time - Tobias Lewsadder
Lasse: welcome to the real time web! - Robert Scoble
Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed. - Libertine
Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week? - Wo
GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment. - Alberto Saavedra
real time web wins again - David Lloyd
leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!! - Tobias Lewsadder
Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics - Darryl Adams
I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast. - Stanley Suan
so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore??? - Andrew Villafane
Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him? - Robert Scoble
The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones - Chris Pugh
the real time real world isnt either Chris :p - David Lloyd
It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are. - Colin
Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago. - Karoli
Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :) - Wookie
However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo! - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal - Stephen Pickering
Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before. - David Jones
I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype. - Jason Beck
Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - - Karoli
Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off? - Stephen Pickering
Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed. - Paulius G
Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip - David Lloyd
I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here. - Jesse Stay
Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem. - Karoli
Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time. - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so. - Jesse Stay
Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself. - Justin Flood @justinflood
Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad??? - Darren Rowley
Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue. - Michael Ritter
I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre. - Jason Pope
I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas. - Darrel Davis
love ya leo. - Mark Outten
It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently. - Steve Ford
I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead. - Brian Cagle
Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity - Art
I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's - Jesse Stay
Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :) - Ryan
This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now. - Leo Laporte
YAY! - David Lloyd
Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve - Darryl Adams
Leo you're a good man - Jesse Stay
Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he? - David Lloyd
_serious_ realtime shit - Amyloo
Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-) - Darryl Adams
gotta love live real time. - Steve Ford
Yes! :) - Adnan
<3 real time xx wish my friends got it - David Lloyd
Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha! - Michael Kaiser
Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here) - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events. - Jason Beck
I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee. - Brian Cagle
Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :) - Adnan
we want david winer - David Lloyd
why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid? - Bwana ☠
Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya - O W
Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now? - Colin
scoble you going to be ontine for round two? - Steve Ford
Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems. - Allen Blair
The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: - BryanSchuetz
Lol :/ - Colin
If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously. - Colin
Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius. - Robert Scoble
This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it! - Chris
Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-) - Jeff Weber
chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh... - Steve Ford
I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did. - Michael Kaiser
I thought Al Gore invented it? - John Brazel
There goes the Bulleit Bourbon? - TunisianGuy
@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL - Adam Turetzky
don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho - TunisianGuy
I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay! - Ryan Massie
The show must go on - Amyloo
Back live woooo! - Moobie - TunisianGuy
yayyyyy - TunisianGuy
Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool. - John Brazel
Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-) - Moobie
LOL. This is better than TV - Bwana ☠
we need a minute please - Tina Chase Gillmor
I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :) - Bwana ☠
Bwana - Lol! :-) - Moobie
I upped the first part here: and will do the same with this part - Jack
Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules) - Tim Hughes
I blame the Pre Leo... - Bwana ☠
Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it. - Kevin Hart
keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor - Thomas McGivern
I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC. - Ryan Massie
Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be) - Scott Edwards
Now the show will be tame :) - Bwana ☠
lol - Chris
LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show - Bwana ☠
You are a class act Leo! - invariant
Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no. - Joel R
LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video. - Mike Bracco
Yes, mike's audio is fine. - Cliff Gerrish
leo, you are great. - Oldengrey (Jay)
Well done both Leo and Mike - Kim Landwehr
Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East. - Karoli
Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up. - Marco Ho
Tina, recording part ii - Cliff Gerrish
What Calacanis incident? - Chris
Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay
I like Arrington's style. - Colin
thanksCliff - Tina Chase Gillmor
it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone. - Karoli
Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did. - Paul
Tina, the first part is here if you need it - Jack
karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting - Amyloo
keyboard cat is back up!! - Thomas McGivern
This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay
No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights. - Colin
The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer. - Jesse Stay
Steve is angry :( - David Lloyd
can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina. - Karoli
Thanks Karoli ... tough few days - Tina Chase Gillmor
Scobey! Welcome to the show! - Colin
Yay, we have ourselves a show - Robert
Jack, are you recording? - Robert
I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions. - Jesse Stay
moving right along... - Brad Kligerman
yep, this part will be up at later - Jack
So what's happening in tech? - Colin
This week in therapy - Thomas McGivern
Leo vs Steve is coming up next... - Chris
Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you - Robert
As a journalist you have to ask tough questions - Jesse Stay
This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one. - Brad Kligerman
I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus - Jack
Steve has a good wife. - Colin
I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed! - Lise
Leo's in his "battle stance" - Colin
Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm? - Brad Kligerman
Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang! - Chris
Chris, networks have interdependencies - Karoli
We shall see. - Antoniu
Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress! - Aaron T. Harvey
Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it. - Andrew Johnson
I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though - Andrew Johnson
Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard? - Karoli
For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve. - Brad Kligerman
of course i'm not saying that Karoli - Andrew Johnson
I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's? - Stephen Pickering
Excellent point Brad - Robert
My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too - Karoli
I do agree with Brad. - Karoli
I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too - Andrew Johnson
Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug - Stephen Pickering
I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else. - saf
Steve needs to stop reading this chat - Robert
i think it is irc that he is speaking of - Andrew Johnson
Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online. - Verbal
Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously - earl wallace
Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that. - Lise
Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often. - Joel Asaro
Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses. - Karoli
FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this. - Jesse Stay
We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together. - Colin
Leo, the drama is the show. - Karoli
i'm confused... leo added drama too - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
This is not going to end well...... - David Peralta
If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory - Karoli
This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine. - Matthew
Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile - Karoli
Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent - Gary Gannon
I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli - Brad Kligerman
Ohhhh.... - Amyloo
Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this? - Jesse Stay
I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer... - Robert
the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is. - Karoli
Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT - Ryan Merket
Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls - Karoli
Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve. - Lise
'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement. - Brad Kligerman
Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana. - Colin
I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
We need Steve to hook all these people up! - Colin
talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think - Karoli
We don't want to see you dead, Mike - Stephen Pickering
There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights. - Joel R
We're not crazy!! *twitches* - Robert
the content and the passion are indivisible - Hilary Talbot
I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this. - Lise
SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream - Karoli
I <3 you all guys - Jesse Stay
@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread - Antoniu
Sounds like they have patched things up. - Mike Doeff
Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear. - Jan Zimak
@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though - Jesse Stay
Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed - Stephen Pickering
Underwear 12 y/os? wtf? - Ryan Merket
What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh - Lise
I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening - Stephen Pickering
OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol - Andrew Johnson
This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is - Robert
Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is? - Stephen Pickering
i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now - Dano Hart
Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat - Jesse Stay
That IRC chat is a disaster - Mike Doeff
Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders. - Aaron T. Harvey
I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet. - Lise
Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here - Stephen Pickering
No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show. - Brad Kligerman
Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here - Jack
Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously - earl wallace
Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else - Karoli
Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen. - Jesse Stay
You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now. - Colin
you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show. - Karoli
can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already - TunisianGuy
gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like. - Adnan
Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've... more... - Jason Miller
why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II? - Karoli
Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo. - Jim Posner
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities. - Colin
I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great - Gary Gannon
Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like - Jesse Stay
why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate - Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way. - Jesse Stay
Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK - Karoli
Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington - Stephen Pickering
The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT - Jack
Gillmor's talking but no one can hear. - Sprague D
Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit. - Libertine
Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD? - coldbrew
Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended. - tollie williams
Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed" - Ryan Merket
I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: - BryanSchuetz
All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one. - Jesse Stay
good point ryan merket - Dano Hart
I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech. - Paulius G
Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button - Ryan Merket
@tollie very good insight - earl wallace
Stay: Agreed. - coldbrew
Audiences long for access to this show. - Colin
@Ryan that's not the case at all - Harvey Birdman
So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :) - tollie williams
Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form - Jack
There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming. - Mike Doeff
+1 Colin - Brad Kligerman
You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"] - coldbrew
Hug it out guys. - Mike Doeff
Jack, agreed. - Karoli
I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are - John Hillestad
"With all due respect". Got it. - Sprague D
The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones. - Ryan Merket
Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience. - Jesse Stay
I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course. - Lise
Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok. - Bwana ☠
I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network - Robert
Without a community there's no one to consume your content. - Aaron T. Harvey
"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing - Dano Hart
Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do" - Karoli
Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way? - Sprague D
It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners - David Peralta
I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic! - Thomas Hawk
"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected. - Lise
Steve please do this on a closed call - earl wallace
Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it - Robert
"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content' - Brad Kligerman
@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone. - Gary Gannon
Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway. - bobrudge
Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen - coldbrew
I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose. - Bwana ☠
Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled. - Jim Posner
This show is going no where now - Jesse Stay
It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'. - Verbal
This has been brewing for a while - Mike Doeff
i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content - Dano Hart
Anella: Yes ;) - coldbrew
The problem is Leo can turn off the show - Jack
The show can go on with Leo - Bwana ☠
The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important - Karoli
dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe - Dano Hart
Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is! - Chris
Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
The show can go on without Leo - Bwana ☠
Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions! - coldbrew
Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down - Lise
Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo? - Jesse Stay
I am Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not? - Chris
Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't - Bwana ☠
Chris, because he believes the content is important. - Karoli
Steve works for Mike, BTW. - Oldengrey (Jay)
Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light. - earl wallace
No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time. - Robert
Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less. - coldbrew
Bwana, I'm confused! - Jesse Stay
If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm - Lise
We Collegiates are Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance. - bobrudge
Leo was liberal with those F bombs : ) - Mike Doeff
collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor - Brad Kligerman
LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha - Lise
Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show? - Jesse Stay
You can't take it with you has never been more true. - Aron Michalski
Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw
oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright! - Dano Hart
@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution. - Ryan Merket
Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit. - coldbrew
stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here. - Brad Kligerman
Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future. - Chris Heath
Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG) - Karoli
coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network. - Jesse Stay
I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show. - Mike Doeff
932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on - daveccorey
Karoli, because it's on Leo's network - Lise
It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-) - Joel R
LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it" - Jesse Stay
Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0 - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!" - Jesse Stay
I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it. - Lise
Who in here has this recorded? - Jesse Stay
I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that. - Mike Doeff
Whoo! GO JACK! - Robert
No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web - Jesse Stay
Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio. - Paulius G
Welcome to the interwebs Steve - Gary Gannon
Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool. - Joel R
I knew it would be a tame show after that - Bwana ☠
LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove - Lise
That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon. - Antoniu
I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington. - Jesse Stay
I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech! - Lise
i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe - Dano Hart
This is TWID! - Joel R
is the bar open yet? - Andrew Johnson
TWiD - nice! - Aaron T. Harvey
After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today - David Peralta
@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil. - Jan Zimak
Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today - Stephen Pickering
And 3 hours later we get the Pre review - Jack
Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow - Bwana ☠
that would drive me nuts - Bwana ☠
Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold? - Aaron T. Harvey
Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick - Mike Doeff
Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone. - Paulius G
Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?! - Charlie Anzman
Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash. - Aron Michalski
Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week - Karoli
Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :) - Bwana ☠
I like that app dock - Mike Doeff
I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone. - Antoniu
321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery - Bwana ☠
Is anyone going to post the make-up video? - Jim Posner
that phone does look pretty slick - Dano Hart
looks sluggish - Robert
anyone want some koolaid? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it - Bwana ☠
It's sluggish all around - Bwana ☠
I love great notification systems, and Palm has one - Bwana ☠
Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :) - Bwana ☠
Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen - Cory Roush
Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps - Aaron T. Harvey
flawless ustream for me today - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
That charger is ingenius - Jesse Stay
Nintendo kills me with that - Bwana ☠
Jeff Cannata on TWiT?! - Chris
It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me - Bwana ☠
Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have - Bwana ☠
For the die hard Palm'ers - Bwana ☠
Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does... - Aaron T. Harvey
Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-( - Jack
That'll come - Bwana ☠
People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string - Bwana ☠
do a quick test - Bwana ☠
Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :) - Bwana ☠
It's a good time to be a Phone lover - Bwana ☠
It is "good competition" to the iPhone - Jesse Stay
Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition - Bwana ☠
Poor Motorola - Bwana ☠
monday it will be 3rd - Byron McCollum
O_O dead pixel blues - Bwana ☠
Storm 2 will be out in a few the competition - Bwana ☠
his thumb covers 4 keys - Bwana ☠
Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA - Jesse Stay
i could never use that analog keyboard - Byron McCollum
Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today. - Jason Miller
I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard. - Aaron T. Harvey
That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :) - Bwana ☠
For me the apology will long out-live the video. - Colin
LOL Bwana - Lise
Nooooo - Bwana ☠
Dont do it Leo - Andrew Johnson
We could post your apology - Aaron T. Harvey
Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity. - Colin
I wouldn't :) :) - Bwana ☠
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D - Bwana ☠
do just the tribute and cut after that - Andrew Johnson
Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it. - Lise
Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies! - Colin
we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike. - Lise
We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us! - Aaron T. Harvey
Go eat some meat Leo - Bwana ☠
You deserve a few choice cuts - Bwana ☠
See you in the morning, Leo. - Lise
Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :) - Bwana ☠
Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P - Andrew Johnson
now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow - Andrew Johnson
this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality. - Joe Magennis
Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!! - Andy
Haha, this is drama for geeks. - Manuel Mas
Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes...... - John Spencer
I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing? - jccalhoun
I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today. - Allen Blair
Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario - chad cicconi
listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist. - jccalhoun
Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions. - Charlie Anzman
Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that? - jccalhoun
Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man. - Rock
Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities. - Dominic
I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network. - MarK
They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people. - jccalhoun
If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech? - David J. Garcia from twhirl
Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too. - Alberto Saavedra
Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway - Andy
i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews. - Dave Martin
dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run - Chris Heath
Can I download the show somewhere? - Wo
dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole - Chris Heath
Downloads available here: - Jack
i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience... more... - Chris Heath
as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings - John Blanton from twhirl
Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps? - Matt Hall
Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-) - jccalhoun
jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;) - Matt Hall
If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears... more... - Jonathan Langdale
Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: - Matt Hall
Most entertaining GG moment ever! - Douglas
I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit. - Amac
Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people... - Hamish MacEwan
Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0 - Erle Stride
Thank you Nicholas - Erle Stride
Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support! - John -
I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room. - Matt Matthews
it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup.... more... - Tobias Lewsadder
Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more. - jccalhoun
As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument. - Dave Wallace
Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct. - Phil Essing
Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place. - Phil Essing
I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio - Erle Stride
This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo! - Jim Graham
Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront. - Ken Sheppardson
Not just dead air, I guess. Hm. - Ken Sheppardson
We love you Leo! - Imran Idris
Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama. - Jamie
Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an... more... - Karoli
+1 Karoli - Brad Kligerman
arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude? - Tobias Lewsadder
Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too. - Karoli
1164 comments. woah - Tyler Gillies
Tyler - I know right. This thread has two winners: 1. Palm 2. FriendFeed - Bwana ☠ from IM
a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night. - Tina Chase Gillmor
I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol. - Jamie
just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random." - Andy
@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs. - Brad Kligerman
WOW!!! Leo said a bad word. - Joe Demartino
...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content. - Brad Kligerman
That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized. - Kevykev
The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did. - MIQAL
Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work! - Anant Gairola
Had a feeling it would be busy here................. - Kevin J Hatton
Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see. - Jim Posner
karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did... more... - Tobias Lewsadder
This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see - Richard Walker
Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or... more... - Karoli
wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one - Bob
keyboard cat #2 on I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it. - Thomas McGivern
Loren Feldman's video response is good. - Stephen M. Otto
The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on - Ken Sheppardson
Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment? - Michael Metz
Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free. - Stephen M. Otto
Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean. - Rustic Thoughts
Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin" - Rustic Thoughts
I love the intro music.... - Rustic Thoughts
hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok - daveccorey
I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self. - Hamilton Wallace
Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump? - Hamilton Wallace
Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!! - Jim Corkrum
We can haz FF entry for TWiT? - Ken Sheppardson
thanks to Denise we will in a second ken - Chris Heath
I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit. - MarK
I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom. - Karoli
Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole. - Samuel Cohen
is that my denise!!? - jeneane sessum
(still watching) - jeneane sessum
Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy. - Ken Sheppardson
In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: - Jack
I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG. - Sam Ellis
Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it. - Adam Deem
I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole. - Richard Walker
Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): - Linton Davies
ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind - Richard Thomson
My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take... more... - Dale Dietrich
Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful... more... - Jason Miller
Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second. - Karoli
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