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- moo Money
jesus christ, i FINALLY get off my ass and get motivated to sign up for ping.fm (because I need to find something that works in netfront browser), AND IT'S FUCKING BETA SIGNUP CODE SHIT AGAIN. AAAAAGAIN.
"pingadactyl"
- Brad @ The Next Web
Note: don't touch a keyboard before heading for coffee. Everyone *nagged* me to get on ping.fm.
- Eric Rice
You aight, Eric? Everything cool? I'm worried about you, man...LOL
- Rahsheen
LOL!!!!
- Bwana ☠
The man just really needs his coffee.
- moo Money
I'm sitting in the drive-thru, almost code 4
- Eric Rice
I don't know... might need to back off the coffee. Try green tea for a while. :)
- Yolanda
I am pretty certain this cat would be even more off the hook, were he to lay off the coffee...
- DYKC?™
Yoland: DYKC nailed it. I didn't have coffee. Now, I am soft and cuddly and like a breeze, or, uh, something.
- Eric Rice
try a LOT of green tea (: but nothing compares to coffee.
- Mladen Srdić
from twhirl
Soft and cuddly like a breeze... you should put that on a tshirt. ;)
- Yolanda
If someone has already been Rickrolled, can they be Rickrolled again, or is it like virginity? - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Goldie Katsu liked this
Everyone is having such serious discussions, so I thought I'd have my own debate. :<
- moo Money
I think one can be multiply Rckrolled and even other type rolled and each is equally an event.
- Goldie Katsu
I prefer the BigButtRoll myself, which is a mashup of Rick Astley and Sir Mixalot. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- moo Money
Of course there's also the MuppetRoll, which Selserene lists as a favorite: http://youtube.com/watch...
- moo Money
Yesterday I was talking with someone who would send links to the Lama Lama Duck song to her boss instead of the information requested, and then feign innocence "Oh how did that happen". I think that's my favorite story of a variation on a Rickroll.
- Goldie Katsu
Is America's suburban dream collapsing into a nightmare? - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2008...
Patrick Beard, Carlin, Shelly Brisbin and 6 other people liked this
Dystopian dream. 10 families in one McMansion. And hey a typical Home Depot can be divided into 1000 slum units (not including parking lot). That's some sweet fictional irony right there, boy.
- Eric Rice
@Jason: somewhat agree, but it would be a painful process to get there and we would have to live through that... There can be a middle ground to get there...
- Chris Reed
@Jason Right on. This looks like great news to me. The world described here as collapsing was illusory anyway. If the subprime mortgage melodrama accelerates the massive global trend of most humanity moving to cities, so much the better. City life is such a healthier and more efficient thing than life in the suburbs or country. Now to translate this to more mass transit funding in the cities...
- Sean Savage
And herein lies the problem... For years, people talked about raising the gas tax, but everyone needs gas. You can talk about how raising food prices to curb obesity, but everyone needs to eat. Hurting everyone to get to a better status quo is not my way of doing things. You can whip a person often enough so that they will make sure to throw away their wrapper when they're done. No littering is a good thing, but was the means to get there?
- Chris Reed
Chris: you have to raise the gas tax in order to build public transportation that works. People should spend more money on food for lots of reasons: eat less, eat organic, local, etc. and more importantly people should CARE more about what they are eating. OK, so people are poor, I get that. Lots of poor people manage to make their situation worse with large families, I DON'T get that. If your living situation is untenable, then changes are necessary.
- Jason Wehmhoener
People get so trapped in self-defeat, believing that everything but their own actions is to blame for their circumstances.
- Jason Wehmhoener
This is why I moved only a mere mile from 6th and Red River in Austin. While it's considered the "scary East Side" to a lot of suburban idiots, it's also damn near downtown. I can walk to everything within 20 minutes, take the bus, or a taxi. I work from home, so I save on gas, but I can easily find a job farther out when they install the light rail, which will be done in 6 months. I pay more to live downtown, but I save on parking and gas, while feeling safer compared to people who live near abandoned home
- moo Money
moo's got the right idea. mel: people were lied to, and I guess that's my error, I don't really accept that as an "excuse". I don't watch talk shows, so I apologize if it sounds like I'm puppeting them, but I guess I figure that if I could see through the lies as a kid growing up in suburbia, and if my parents could as well (when pressured) then why the hell did my parents and our neighbors persist in the folly?
- Jason Wehmhoener
I guess easy credit is like a drug, but I watched and learned from my parents: debt is slavery.
- Jason Wehmhoener
People don't want to believe that their precious dreams are crumbling around them. Like the couple in this story, they think that they can hang on. I applaud their effort, but what will it take for them to realize that life has changed? Will it be the husband's murder in a robbery gone wrong? The wife's rape? It's funny how many people look down on the East Side of Austin. Guess who's moving there, though? Your old neighbors. Pretty soon, our crime will be much lower and the suburban areas higher.
- moo Money
Even without reading the article, this reminds me of "little brother" by Cory Doctorow. Great read.
- Phil Glockner
@chris classic orwellian mindfuck: we Americans buy the frame that this is an issue of whether or not to add gas taxes.. We forget that the oil corps get gigantic subsidies, huge portions of our income taxes. Its more effective to frame this as an issue of REDUCING taxes - personal taxes going to welfare to Exxon et al, that result in the illusion of cheap gas. (and believe me $5/gallon is incredibly artificially cheap)
- Sean Savage
@Jim: I'm in the same boat and in such sprawling areas, the concept of from door to work public transportation is beyond daunting (especially in L.A.). Solutions to reducing our consumption culture aren't going to come by forcing hardship upon people, but my making it easier for them to consume less.
- Chris Reed
Change is always painful and in thsi case probably good. You want peopel to give up gas guzzling SUV's and eat healthier without some crisis? Umm, guess again. The biggest problem in US is that government has set the tone on deficit spending(trickle down to individuals-credit debt) and Americans need to wake up and realize they don't need to have a tv in every room of the house just because tv's are affordable. Consumerism was foisted upon US public by military contracting companies that were left without a
- Mark Forman
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- moo Money
Good grief, I've spent so much active time lately in all the non echo chamber social networks that my ears and eyes and thoughts are mush, and much of this 'conventional wisdom' we're fed seems so.... off.
Mathew A. Koeneker, DYKC?™, moo Money and 13 other people liked this
Elaborate?
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I see you griping all the time about "conventional wisdom" online. I don't see where you get that we think we're conventional OR have wisdom. But, whatever keeps you entertained. All that sets us apart from other human beings is we're early adopters and we're highly passionate about technology and online stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Translation: lately you've gotten dangerously close to a reputation of a "Donna." All negative, no positive. Is that really the reputation online that you want? I want the old Eric Rice back who was building stuff and telling us about the cool stuff and narratives he was building. Not the one who is just going to tell us how screwed up we all are. I can read Valleywag for that.
- Robert Scoble
Our 'conventional wisdom' is this 'being early' thing as social law. 'Adopting' is not the same thing as 'Adapting'.
- Eric Rice
I don't know where you're getting that, but being early onto social networking services does have its advantages, particularly if your goal is to hang out with other early adopters like me. Look at FriendFeed. It built in some early adopter rewards that'll be hard to overcome. Same with TechMeme. Same with Google. The earlier you are on these systems, the more advantages you have. Anyone want to buy a four-letter domain?
- Robert Scoble
Ahahahahahahahahah jesus hell dude, where *have* you been?
- Eric Rice
Eric: I went outside yesterday. It polluted my brain. :-) So I guess we're just going to get this new Eric, huh? Sigh. I miss the one who'd tell me how cool Second Life is and show me his new stuff.
- Robert Scoble
I think Scoble just proved Eric's point.
- Nathan Rein
You've got 20,000 people to tend to. It's a lot.
- Eric Rice
The fact that you bring up Second Life shows you're kinda like a year behind on me.
- Eric Rice
Eric: a lot more than that come through. 400,000 a month on blog, 27,000 on Twitter, 13,000 on FriendFeed. But yet I have time for you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I bring up Second Life because I remember the Eric that was passionate about showing me new stuff, not in ripping into a community for its indiscretions. I guess you've learned some negative behaviors and I miss the old Eric. It's been a while since you've added some value to communities I hang out in rather than just pointing out how sad and sorry our lot is.
- Robert Scoble
And where do I learn these negative behaviors from, suddenly?
- Eric Rice
Bringing up Second Life is appropriate in this context. When you were involved and showing off Second Life there was a lot more focus on what can be done and the potential. Now, although you do show off some cool new stuff there is a lot more of what is broken and wrong with out much focus on where we go from there. You have forward vision others don't so we may need a hint of what we should be looking at.
- Goldie Katsu
Eric: gaming communities where it's "cool" to rip apart people and things? Digg? Same. Valleywag? Same. Reading Donna? Same. I already know that passionate people are different than non-passionates. I got that in high school where the geeks weren't popular but the stoners were. That didn't make me excited about hanging out with the stoners though.
- Robert Scoble
I'm just not chickenshit to avoid slaughtering sacred cows is all.
- Eric Rice
robert: can't believe you just said "The earlier you are on these systems, the more advantages you have." - that statement alone proved eric's point on this thread and the other slap the early adopters in the face so they'll snap out of it and realize that reputation and winning in their echo chamber is not what life is all about - er ftw :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
@goldie right i'm coming at it from current events. I gave up ages ago on the intellectual property and DMCA side of thinking, because in general, the negatives of the industry being snarky about furries and flying penises far outweighed issues that affect us. Same with things like SXSW Music panels and lack of blogger rep (props to Ewan, tho) from a couple years ago.
- Eric Rice
Mike: I'm just giving you the facts. If you bought a one-word domain years ago now you are sitting on $100,000 to $2 million. If you started blogging years ago you'll have thousands of inbound links, so Google will display you higher than someone who starts blogging this morning. If you have been working on online communities since the 1980s, you probably have thousands of Facebook friends. Someone who starts out today won't.
- Robert Scoble
@robert making a social judgement against a gaming community FIRST vs. looking at what's deeper there, is EXACTLY why I've become cranky over all. This pattern has been repeated SO MUCH that is makes me sick. You have to get filthy dirty hands on and have ridiculous, dedicated patience-- sometimes quietly, to get to the meat of it all. This doesn't matter though, we live in a techmeme world.
- Eric Rice
Translation: being early online DOES get you some major advantages. But that's off the point about Eric not adding value anymore. He does start conversations, but so does Donna. I just am not sure if that's the repuation that Eric wants. Maybe it is. Valleywag is hiring. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Heh. Techmeme is slow. This is now a Twitter/FriendFeed world.
- Robert Scoble
/me googles this Donna thing
- Eric Rice
The advantages depend on what you expect to see from the services and what you see as an advantage. Early adoption can lead to greater visibility - if that is an advantage. It can also lead to greater distraction. There is a bit of shifting gears when I go from unplugged to plugged in mode. It is in many ways a continuation of the technology/culture divide of haves and have-nots but rather than being web/computer access it has moved on to something else.
- Goldie Katsu
@mike thanks for that, yeah I'm still teaching about what a blog is and recently, a flickr tutorial or two, amongst people that easily will challenge why they want to do that. Wacky.
- Eric Rice
@ Robert .. Now if we could get Google Reader to go 'real time' ....???
- Charlie Anzman
Eric for context on Donna see http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Jim: STFU. Thanks. Geesh.
- Robert Scoble
This whole conversation is just tiring. Some people won't ever be remotely wrong, some people won't evolve (for better or for worse) and that's just the worst kinda of life to lead. At least I know firsthand what the flow of positivity and negativity flowing through my veins is like. There's just not a need to defend myself and parade around my Each And Every Single Data Point Around Ad Infinitum.
- Eric Rice
What I've learned is that taking a negative tack can make you feel better, BUT a) it doesn't make anyone feel good about the topic, and b) it doesn't make anybody feel good about you.
- Dewald Pretorius
Forgive my sluggishness but I am still trying to figure out what exactly we are talking about - by conventional wisdom do you mean inside FF? If so I'm not sure what the "outside world" not agreeing with the "early adopter" community proves? By granting that there is a segment of society called "early adopters" aren't we automatically granting that, by nature, their conventional wisdom won't match everyone else's?
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
@Jim, yeah when the crazy uncles started blocking and banning people in social effing media, that's the sign that our world changed. I would never in a million years consider banning someone unless it was useless scroll. I don't care how batshit insane someone is. That's what we built upon (not batshit insanity, but well, lol, you know what I mean).
- Eric Rice
Eric: I'm wrong all the time. It just gets tiring when someone is telling me I'm wrong all the time without bringing something else to the table. You used to bring a lot more to the table. Lately? It's all about how your non-social-networking-friends find us all lame. I already know that. I don't need to have it shoved in my face every day to realize that most people think geeks and people who spend all day online are weird and stupid.
- Robert Scoble
So are you doing anything about it?
- Eric Rice
The thing that many confuse in these discussions is that a personal opinion is just that. It isn't right or wrong. But the way things work now is that in order to get noticed we tend to write "tabloid" type headlines. While this can work out fine if it is followed by an insightful post, this can work disastrous when commenting using friendfeed, Twitter or other short messaging discussion platforms. I say keep the discussion going, but know when something is true or something is just said ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Eric: I always am trying to learn something new. I travel the world more than anyone I know and meet both geeks and normal people who remind me that we're way ahead of most people in adopting new technologies. I regularly meet people with old laptops using Windows 2000 and Office 2000 and nothing else.
- Robert Scoble
Eric - so getting back to your original comment -- you are alluding to some cool stuff! I'd like to hear about it. You say your outlook has changed so much, and then leave us wondering how or why. Write it up, unless part of your new thinking is that you can't be bothered. And in that case, please tell me so I can stop waiting to learn more.
- Phil Glockner
J.Phil and Marco, I will, I wasn't expecting a simple comment to start drama, but apparently, there's some nerves that can be hit.
- Eric Rice
Non-geeks all have computers now and they "get" Facebook. Send them there first. And you best not start trash talking about my 5 year old, 800mghz. 12" PowerBook running Panther, Scoble. Or else .........
- Tom Novak
Eric - lol understand - thought it was an interesting comment and was curious about the specifics behind it but didn't expect this either
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
eric: you're phrasing was probably too... against something rather than pushing what you wanted, or at least, many times people get caught in the negative understanding of something faster than the positive approach. i'd still like to see conventional knowledge defined
- Ruben Llibre
I was an early adopter of "a/s/l?" What does that get me?
- moo Money
@moo Retro Lulz
- Eric Rice
Eric: this isn't the first time you've posted something like this. I'm seeing a pattern and it's started to bug me the way that Donna bugs me. If that's your goal, great. Success! But is that really the reputation you're going for online?
- Robert Scoble
Course you thought it would start drama Eric, that's why you said it. :)
- Bwana ☠
@moo - a prison sentence if you try it in a chat room now.
- Phil Glockner
I like the echo chamber in FriendFeed.. but I'm happy to avoid it in google reader
- Stefan Hayden
Once again, I need another option than like but let me explain. While this exchange has been a Robert v Eric slugfest, it has shown that this network is just as human as any other. I was starting to get a tad worried at all of this "maturity". ;)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
so your reputation = "what scoble thinks about you"?
- Christian Crumlish
I guess in all this he said she said what floats to the top for me is that Scoble at least indirectly makes it clear that he's been shaping or scripting an online persona and is chastising Eric for not doing likewise? Did I miss something? If that is fairly accurate-then we have this big push for transparency so I can show you my mask clearly? WTF?
- Mark Forman
mark: bing bing bing ;) i've always liked robert's passionate approach to shiny new things so nothing against his approach but i've always paid close attention to eric because he's almost always way ahead of the curve - i think of him as the david bowie of digital media, but thats just me :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
I would say eric more like the brian eno but I digress...
- Mark Forman
Hmm. Possibly the most pointless argument of the day. /me golf-claps
- Ian Betteridge
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