"Thanks Steve. I'm a big fan too. Credit to my brother for shaping this thought. We were talking about the phenomenon while standing in line at his book signing on Friday at the ESPN Zone in Anaheim. We showed up and were about #150 in line to get his book signed. It really hit home that he's created this incredible following simply by connecting with fans, like us, who see a lot of ourselves in him. Thanks for the comment!"
- Morgan
"Hi Colleen, Thanks for posting the video. We think it came out great too. (we're a bit biased though) :) Thanks for the kind words about TurnHere. We're glad you like your video. We agree, it does a great job of showcasing HotPads' unique interface and features for buyers and renters. Best of luck to you all and please let us know how we can help in any way! Morgan Director of Marketing TurnHere P.S. We also posted it on our Facebook page to show it off to our fans: http://www.facebook.com/TurnHer..."
- Morgan
this part is high comedy: I want to see her birth certificate! How do we know she wasn't born in Scandanavia?! I heard from someone my cousin works with that she's a secret Episcopalian!
- Morgan
p16 is a well characterized tumor suppresor gene that is a downstream signaling target of p53. If you go to pubmed.com and type in p16 + cancer you will see thousands of publications come up. This article reeks of spin. - from my friend, the oncology researcher.
- Morgan
i'm excited for this because the Sony Store is weak in comparison, although the disc implementation kind of sux. a disc? to stream? really? can't get that OS update out soon enough?
- Morgan
I'm sorry, it's worse than I thought yesterday. I'm writing a blog about it. Be up shortly.
- Robert Scoble
The people who commented on my blog motivated me. In a bad way. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have a google wave account, so can't tell ya.
- imabonehead
I'm letting you first adopters sink your time into it and waiting to hear what you think, before I spend any time with it. Not impressed with what I have heard so far though.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Wanna try it out, but I don't have an invite.
- Mike Dotta
I think it has a bit of a way to go, then I'll love it
- Nicholas Orr
Jeff: it's worth checking out. There is SOME value here, but not as much as the hype made us all believe.
- Robert Scoble
I think Google Wave isn't and won't be a great public communication tool. But it does have potential when it comes to collaboration within teams. In the long run it could give apps like Campfire a run for their money.
- Abhijeet Mukherjee
Would love an invitation. Seems a marketing scheme rther than soft launch
- Mark de Kock
Do we have to comment on GOOGLE WEAVE to call you an idiot? j/k
- RAD Moose
I don't love it - don't hate it - mostly I'm just puzzled as to what the best use cases are & with many of the UI quirks (and I would argue outright errors)
- Shannon Clark
No invite yet. Lots of blog posts saying how it's going to change the world...but then the next sentence is that they haven't tried it yet. ??
- Jesse P. Luna
I finally figured out what I hate about it, though. It's based on email and makes the email metaphor even worse (And slower!!!)
- Robert Scoble
I was in the Dev Sandbox version of Google Wave awhile ago, and it felt like I was in a really out of control AOL Chat room in the early 90s.
- RAD Moose
I don't think I like the public waves, nor do I like being added to so many (testing) waves injudiciously. It's okay for now because I understand everyone wants to test it out, but I would prefer 1-1 or 1-few conversations instead. The best test is to _use_ it for something other than talking about Wave itself :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Mark: it's not incredibly stable yet - so it is very much a dev preview
- Nicholas Orr
Google wave is awesome if only I could get it! Even if I sent an invite request few hours after presentation months ago , still no invite received :(
- Dema
from iPhone
i have an invitation coming, from a friend. however, since it is not here yet, all i can say is their strategy for creating demand and buzz is absolutely stellar. must confess i am not immune, i feel that when my invite "trickles" through, i will indeed be quite fond of it. disclaimer: i have ADD & love noise. a lot.
- (dot)lizard kelly
I'm just starting to get it - but am online with it and very motivated to see if it's as awesome as the Googlers and community believe it is. It's fascinating to say the least, from what I've seen so far. I'm open to connect with others on the Preview via hollingt@googlewave.com
- Tony Hollingsworth
Would love to experiment, was too busy when invite op came by, what's the best way to get one now? Robert, how's the baby? Pics were sooo cute. :) Best, Dave
- dave_blogworld
For such a strong platform, they totally bombed their marketing campaigns. Until you actually play with it, it's nearly impossible to understand what the heck they've created.
- Sean Power
Given the big boom in traffic I got the last two days, Scoble, I assume yours has been immense. Front page of Slashdot, on Der Spiegel, you led TM yesterday. Nice job.
- Louis Gray
Google Wave is mediocre, so it can't neither be loved or hated. Being mediocre is the worst thing you can do since it most often leave people indifferent.
- rick
I can see ways in which it can be beneficial. I just don't see a public social network expanding from it as a service. It will find it's place and loyal userbase. Just like FriendFeed did.
- Mark Krynsky
Though I haven't got invite yet but I still think when it is done and public for all of us there will be a lots of application which will make it more intuitive and useful. well for example twitter is not that much fun without its related apps. is it ?
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
From the video I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. So far I can't find an invite, so as of right now I have to totally agree with you
- RickMeasham
from iPhone
I've try it, it seems cool but i need to test more the integration of external contents.
- Roberto Scano
Wondering if it will replace Basecamp and Skype. If I could put those together it would be a major step for our company. Outsourcing to India is all of a sudden very easy because of "Rosy" the translation tool That's powerful. Didn't get a first day invite but look forward to testing it for our organization.
- Brandon
Wave is baby at the moment and not even in beta version. So too early and useful for anything. While studying the protocol, it is indeed very intuitive
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Brandon, there are a couple tools to allow conferencing from inside Wave, a gadget from Ribbit and I think Twillio has a robot or something.
- James Williams
If Google is the only wave-server game in town, it'll be kinda lame. They already read all my email.
- Mason Lee
James: To combine the collaborator and the IM client would be big news for us. The promise is there but I still don't know if it's feasible. We will write all the todos and deadlines in BaseCamp and then move to Skype so it can be discussed. Doesn't seem very efficient and Wave seems to be the missing link.
- Brandon
By the way here in Sydney where Google Wave is being developed we've had a couple of user groups at the Googleplex in Pyrmont. See hashtag on Twitter #gwsug - a couple of tweeps worth following are @domesticmouse @pamelafox @purserj @harrisony - they're deep dive and I believe have written a "wave server
- Tony Hollingsworth
I think it's our job to celebrate innovation and shots at leaps forward. It shouldn't matter so much that a product doesn't live up to the hype right now. The original web browser sucked, PINE sucked, my Tandy TRS 80 sucked, my first iPhone was a mess. But now, my email is great, my web browser is fast and full-featured, and my laptop is small and more powerful than ever. The iphone is...
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- Morgan
I hate it because... I don't get an invite.
- Jackie
I think the product is too young to tell if it will be understood by user; and we as potential user need some time to understand the possibile uses of the product...I have an account, and I was in the dev sandbox, I think it's a briliant object... but still it's too young to tell.
- andrea
It is a definitely interesting product. However, I need more than 1 other person to have it to see if I really know how it will function.
- beachpig
It's dumb. I had it months ago. totally stupid. Then again, I don't like web based services. I only run desktop apps and despise Google stuff out of totaly control. so wave is dumb. email is better.
- Adam Jackson
Andrea: I agree. I think the robots and gadgets people have developped/will develop will help better define the user experience.
- James Williams
I will tell you what. This is a lot better than using Google Wave.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
for this purpose yes it is - the only way it would happen in Google Wave is if we were all in a group that you sent it to :)
- Nicholas Orr
How does it compare to MS-Office Groove? Not that I've used it, but it got pushed to my work machine, and the explanation of it given by it's own help sounds like what Wave was trying to do too.
- Matthew DeVries
Google Wave seems too bloated... but we will see
- joe
I think GW just takes some gettinmg used to and U need to make sure you kow what U use it for, it is NOT just another new kind of 'multimedia collaborative mail chat'.
- oliver gassner
guess one should differntiate between the WAVE technology (protocol) and what everybody now is moarning about - the collaborative mail chat thing they build to demonstrate its capabilities. Looking back it might have been a good idea to take a well known application to get the potential transportet. but now people are rating this application instead of the technology WAVE which has an enourmous potential! Its push´n´pull on steroids - and thats what makes a difference.
- psanner
Have not tried it, but real time collaboration looks promising. I wonder if it fits the way people are comfotable working
- Michele Costabile
Still waiting for my invite to arrive from google, must be on a slow boat from china
- Daryl Hunt on FF
Has potential for closed groups of people that all use wave. Further adoption depends on integration of legacy systems IMO.
- bishoph
Slower than email, and just, well slow. I'd imagine it'll speed up a bit when 3rd party federation servers take the load off a bit. Even with the quirks worked out, it'll still just as exiting as email. When blogs start integrating Wave THAT's when things will really get started. If they deliver what they're promising it's going to bring about a new generation of social networking.
- Philip
from iPhone
I manage the IT for 5 people. Our biggest problem is making sure everyone sees what they are suppose to see. The idea that I can install Google Wave on a local server, and only have those 5 people in that instance is exciting. The Google Wave you are all trying ISN'T Google Wave, it's a free-for-all test of it the protocols. If you expect it to be another social media site, then you...
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- Johnny Worthington
I haven't been able to test it. But shouldn't we all wait before we judge? I mean, it's relative new. I think people will start to find ways of how to use the service in a good way later on.
- Patrik Johansson
This is the Internet, Patrik. It's not about being right, just first...
- Johnny Worthington
Patrik, agree. It's a very early version of a protocol. I think it's an amazing start and has lots of potential. I'd like to see groups added and some control of what waves you are receiving. But don't forget you can use the protocol and place it in your own site, so we can have a FF that looks like GWave. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Johnny: Hehe yeah you're right:) Kol: If we could use Wave as FF I think it would be awesome!
- Patrik Johansson
I mentioned this on today's show. If I can run my own instance, I could almost create my own 'realtime BBS'. If I could create my own network with just a select group of people (say movie buffs or photographers) to exchange files and talk in real time... WOW. We all go one about social networks controlling what we say and owning our content. If I could set up my own sites, free from rules or ToS... WOW x2
- Johnny Worthington
No comment!! If anyone is generous to send me a free invite, pls send to victed at yahoo.com Thank you :-)
- victed
from iPhone
google wave looks exciting, however the slow release to developers is making other current real-time standards like PSHB and SUP more attractive for immediate building
- Mike Chelen
I have an invite and I've used it somewhat and I suppose I'm lucky I'm not a blogger who adds everyone on earth to every tool that I use in the hopes that I can parse all the noise, because I immediately saw the value in Wave. Rule number 1 of Wave: Don't talk about Wave. Seriously. The second you stop involving yourself in 20 concerrent waves about does Wave work? how is this looking?...
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- Chieze Okoye
Robert: "I will tell you what. This is a lot better than using Google Wave." is the epitome of what you're doing wrong. Honestly. Stop trying to use it like you use FriendFeed and start trying to use it like you use Google Docs and BAM, you'll see it.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze: is there anything different or better compared with google docs?
- Mike Chelen
well, the thing that I like about it is that it combines the ease of collaboration of GDocs with the basic (sorta) paradigm of email/IM to improve the conversation part of creating a document. In GDocs, the communication with your colleagues/friends part of collaboration always took a back seat to the creation part. In Wave, I think it pretty successfully melds the two.
- Chieze Okoye
That said, neither facet in Wave independently (communication or creation) is as good as the two tools that exist now (Gmail and GDocs) but combined, it makes a lot of stuff easier. Specifically the kind of email threads centered around a central idea or final product (group report, list of who's bringing what to which party when, etc).
- Chieze Okoye
Love it. Even at this preview stage, I'd hoped for greater control over the Inbox - after all, it's supposed to be "email, invented today" - so, in its current form, it's not ready for mainstream/widestream adoption, but with a bit of polish from the usability experts, it's going to redefine how inter and intra organisation communication and collaboration takes place.
- Andrew Terry
And also, there's tremendous ability to keep Waves on topic (specific tools and actions available to remove thread-jackers and/or their non-sequiturs, add people as they become pertinent, remove people as they become unrelated, etc), instantly provides value to me over emails. There are definitely shortcomings and rough edges, no doubt, but the potential is quite clear when you know where to look.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze: might address a few gdocs issues- that tracking revisions becomes difficult with many edits, and the lack of a realtime api. interesting, thanks
- Mike Chelen
Yeah, good point Mike, I hadn't even considered the API issue. As far as your first point, the revision part of Wave (playback mode) is already (to me) superior than the one in GDocs in terms of allowing me to follow all the changes that went into a document/Wave. With some more granularity and control (rollbacks, diffs between non-successive states, etc), it will be nigh perfect.
- Chieze Okoye
its not what i expected it to be, not from google, i guess they are mortal too.
- imran
for me it looks like groupware done right. Because it will really elevate in a corporate envirement when there is a office integration and you can make all you're office stuff in a colaborative way with all office products with all mayor plattforms and with people outside the intranet
- mosta
from AndFeed
there is a alternative server called pygowave where you can get a test account. It has not as much features bud you can run it yourself
- mosta
from AndFeed
Does the invite have to go to my gmail address? Or can I get one at M8R-v2hjnm@mailinator.com ?
- Justin Goldberg
can only tell that once my close friends join in...till now just experimenting. From the discussions that i saw till now, learning curve is pretty slack for G-Wave...all the new terms, bots, not to mention the inconsistent behaviour. But then its only a preview.. :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
Still waiting for my invite. It's been two days since someone invited me so they must be really backed up sending them out.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
with my limited use of WAVE...huge potential once more extension are built integrating with other Google services and offerings...using iGoogle page to consume information it would be nice to choose items and insert them into a WAVE for collaborative discussion / work related = GAnalytics extension would make it efficient to discuss metrics
- shayne catrett
FriendFeed != Google Wave - I think that's why you're frustrated. You're trying to solve a problem it wasn't meant to solve.
- Jesse Stay
In hindsight, I'd say the biggest problem with Wave is the way they decided to roll it out. If they'd simply given invites to groups of people who actually have a reason to try to work together and collaborate on real projects...rather than 100K unrelated developers/early adopters/pundits... I think much of the unwarranted backlash could've been avoided.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, but then Robert would be complaining of why he hasn't gotten a Wave invite yet ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Ken: I use more collaboration software than anyone I know, so I'm pretty qualified to try this stuff out.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew Terry: the problem is that the email metaphor is very unproductive. THAT is what I hate about Google Wave!!! Thank you for identifying it. There are far better metaphors for collaboration. Oh, and I get a lot more done in Google Docs than I ever will in Google Wave. Why? Because documents are a far more productive collaboration metaphor than email is.
- Robert Scoble
Shoot! I wish I had a Google Wave invite so I could try it out for myself! Hope it doesn't take too long to get one.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer: you already have FriendFeed. Wave will make you say "meh." Oh, OK, I can watch you type in real time and see just how bad a typist you really are.
- Robert Scoble
If someone can send me an invitation I'll tell you if I hate or love it ;) napolux@gmail.com
- Napolux
from twhirl
Robert: Yes, having FriendFeed does remove a lot of the wow factor of Wave. The real power is in the apps(gadgets and robots) which besides the featured gadgets is uncharted territory.
- James Williams
I'm dying to get my hands on it. Everytime I get a new email I'm hoping it's my invite
- Mark Hendy
Robert: But don't we have to find a replacement for FriendFeed? FriendFeed is the best, but how long will it be here? :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I think Wave has a story for FF's threaded comments(IMHO it has a story for most of FF). What it needs is roles on a Wave so that I can allow ppl to reply to a blip that was created from one of my social media actions yet disallow them from deleting anything but their comments/replies. Also being able to have my "personal social media wave" be updated when I comment on someone else's "social media wave" would be nice so I that all parties can own that interaction.
- James Williams
Am I the only one who is SERIOUSLY concerned about the power Google has over our lives and businesses? Do we really want to keep giving them more and more access to what we do? I know they can compile it anyway but we can at least not make it so easy for them. I have had access to dozens of Google Analytics accounts. When Google is responsible for 50-70% of the traffic and 50-70% of the...
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- Internet Strategist
I don't love it or hate it. It's still smoke and mirrors until we get a chance to put our hands on it. It has potential, for good and for bad. How we use it will determine which prevails. Until we use it, it's just a phantasm.
- Ken Camp
Hard to say since no one has actually seen it yet.
- Mistletoe Glen
I have not used it, but I have a question - Should Google have waited little longer to polish it? because if people don't like it or they don't get invites they are likely to forget it ? If Google wave was from other company say xyzwave, people would not have created such a hoopla. To Non-geek public :What I am feeling is that majority of people don't have any idea what Google wave is and those people are likely to complain without fully understanding it.
- ashish
Reviewing Wave now is like reviewing the iPhone without any apps. It's just a platform.
- Steven Cains
It's the frame of a house that could be quite something.
- Aron Michalski
you're an idiot lol jk ;) however the whole debate has got me thinking about how i use twitter and i have decided to change my approach cheers! twitter(at)locspoc
- Loc
I'm certain I'd love Google Wave if: a) Google thought I was cool enough to have it; and b) I had it.
- Karoli
Robert: Have you tried wave out with any of the Building43/Rackspace folks on project work? A team of 3 or 4 people or so? Anything work related? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely curious how it's worked out for you when it's with a group tying to create something collaboratively vs general tire kicking stuff.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Google Wave is going to be one of those Google products that never really takes off.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I think I should at least try it before forming an opinion, and since nobody has saw fit to invite me, I can't do that at this time. I think your request for opinions is a bit to early for most of us.
- April Russo (app103)
I'm still waiting for someone to invite me. But from what I'm seeing wave is more like a framework for people to build upon, not a user application itself.
- Sung W. Lim
@Sung - that's basically my conclusion as well (http://macrolinz.com/macroli...) and a few people seem to agree with me that the beta is really more about figuring out what the UI should actually be for that framework than just polishing the UI they currently have. Most people are too caught up in the hype though and don't know what they're looking at and so get disappointed pretty fast.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
+1 to Lindsay. Also, there will be many UIs but it will take time.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Robert, far from idiot, but you really surprised me Thursday (too fast & decisive), digesting the new post.
- Majento
I'm bullish. It seems like a lot of noise now, but when I saw the demo I saw how much more useful it could be for certain types of communication.
- Adam Loving
Option #3: Did you not get an invite to Google Wave?
- Michael Pinto
Would love to express an opinion but didnot get an invite even though I applied some time ago a bit sad being as I live in Australia and Wave is being developed here.
- Daryl Hunt on FF
I would comment Robert but as I didn't get an invite to Google Wave, I can't.
- Sandra Large
Even if you use it for its intended purpose (collaboration among a pre-selected group of people), Google Wave still needs a lot of work.
- John E. Bredehoft
You should do a public wave with this question, and add the poll extension so people can vote and comment at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Tag me when you do though so I know you did it. :-)
- Jesse Stay
like, want to try more usual conversation stuff before being sure, but like the embedding, sharing, etc
- immaterial
Robert, thanks for opening the discussion. I really would like to read about more evidence and facts about the experience, rather than opinions without a foundation or whining about not having it.
- Luis Valdes
+1 Sung and Lindsay. Actually, this isn't even a beta, it's an alpha preview.
- Chieze Okoye
If you try to use wave as a replacement for facebook, twitter or friendfeed it's not going to work. Lots of people want it to be the revolution in social media when in fact its aimed more at private communication. as a way to communicate between a few friends it's fantastic although it still needs some work. Just remmeber its a replacement for email and im
- Jamie Vidamour
I'm using it and like it. Yes, it needs work but the potential is there. I like that I can add apps to it and that I can use it with some of the same tools in basecamp.
- Johann Lohrmann
It's okay Robert and has potential especially for collabortory working together. However, whether or not the general public is going to drop e-mail and IM and use this instead is a moot point, as its not easy to 'suss out'
- Sandra Large
@Sandra I don't think the basic useage is any more complicated than email, people probably just need to have their hand held through a simple example conversation with one or two others & they'll be able to use it - public waves & advanced features can come later if needed
- immaterial
I could even travel if we guaranteed at least 10 people in a session I think. (no charge for travel on your part)
- Jesse Stay
Just something I'm considering - curious what the interest is, and if there's even a demand. I've done it for a few people I've consulted for, and I'm wondering if there's a more general interest in such training out there.
- Jesse Stay
Just a thought why don't you shoot a video for it and a presentation and then go viral with it...Then test the water for this idea , may be you can arrange a lecture in university shoot the lecture and get some recommendations
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Sunny, I'm also considering doing training DVDs on it as well. I think if there's interest with a little SEO and PPC advertising there wouldn't be much difficulty in finding those interested.
- Jesse Stay
DVD sounds good as well, take some live recommendation may be some local business you helped for free, that will boost you repo in industry as well
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
if you did some web-based tutorials, etc i'd be interested
- Morgan
"It remains one of the great mysteries in sports, a 77-year-old crime that remains largely ignored and purposely unsolved. How does a team from the nation's capital, supported by a fan base of some of the nation's greatest thinkers, maintain a nickname that is the Native American equivalent to the N-word? Redskins? "It is the worst thing in the English language you can be called if you are a native person," said Suzan Shown Harjo, a Native American writer and public policy advocate who is the lead plaintiff in one of the most compelling lawsuits in sports history."
- Bill Sodeman
from Bookmarklet
Redskins fans - please READ the entire article with an open mind before you start posting.
- Bill Sodeman
"Of course, it is a formidable task, fighting both men (Goodell and Snyder). "We aren't just fighting Coke, we're fighting Pepsi backed by Coke," Harjo said. And, indeed, it is a fight they lose every day. "We are the invisible population," she said of the approximately 4 million Native Americans. "So racism against our population is also invisible.""
- Bill Sodeman
"Some say Redskins owner Daniel Snyder will never make it right because it will cost too much money in merchandising. But imagine the riches he would reap with new apparel. Some say NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell would never dare mess with one of the league's cornerstone franchises. But what better way to cement his growing legacy as a curator of equality and fairness?"
- Bill Sodeman
"The name can be changed. The name should be changed. There is not a bigger certifiable slur in sports. There is nothing even close. And don't even try to compare this to the Fighting Irish, OK? If you saw a Native American on the street, would you call that person a redskin? "It's like putting Aunt Jemima on a helmet," Harjo said."
- Bill Sodeman
So, how about a new name for the Redskins? Reds, Federals, Warriors, Generals, Monuments, Americans, Stars... bring 'em on, people.
- Bill Sodeman
I agree Bill. It should be changed. Entirely hypocritical and antithetical to everything our country is supposed to be about. The NFL has a great image, but they let things like this persist, they have a deplorable record of minority representation in the front office and head coaching positions. If the country wasn't so infatuated with the sport they'd see these problems much more clearly.
- Morgan
Is the arbiter of offensiveness the entire society, or the group being wronged? For if "Redskins" is offensive, then the same standard should be applied to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the United Negro College Fund, and, yes, the Fighting Irish.
- John E. Bredehoft
I think the offensiveness depends in part on who is doing it. Black people using the word negro is a lot different than whites using it as a term of scorn.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 Morgan. There's some irony here. There are many Federal appointees and employees in the Beltway are Redskin fans. By day, these folks help govern our country. On the weekend, they support a football team whose name is an anachronism.
- Bill Sodeman
John and John - you raise some interesting points. The word "redskin" is, according to some, one of the worst insults to a Native American. The word "negro" is an anachronism, and it is mildly offensive to some people. But there are no NFL teams that use an N-word as part of their name.
- Bill Sodeman
I think the arbiter are the precedents that have been set forth over the past 200 years of our country's evolution through law, the Constitution and understanding of civil and human rights. I don't think it's a question of who plays arbiter.
- Morgan
+1 Morgan - although Goodell has been missing an opportunity to play statesman and convince Snyder that changing the team's name will benefit society, the franchise and the NFL.
- Bill Sodeman
Bill, I see Goodell as a caretaker, not a revolutionary. I expect as much from him as I do Bud Selig. Little changed, little improved, all eyes and efforts on keeping the $$ continuing to flow in.
- Morgan
Morgan, good point, although Goodell has refined the NFL's international marketing. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills, Raiders or Jaguars move to Canada, Mexico or London within the next 5 years - and Goodell wants the NFL to expand outside the mainland USA. (Honolulu almost got an expansion team in 1974, but the NFL chose Seattle.) Goodell hasn't faced a real test from the NFLPA yet. That's a-coming. The Redskins' inappropriate name offers Goodell another opportunity to leave his mark on the league.
- Bill Sodeman
that, and the cleveland indians name/logo
- chrisofspades
+1 Chris - I can't see why the Indians keep using Chief Wahoo.
- Bill Sodeman
great point Chris. there just really isn't any excuse any more, is there?
- Morgan
from IM
and I seem to remember a bunch of ncaa teams changing their mascots to be less offensive several years ago. why haven't the pro teams done the same?
- chrisofspades
+1 Chris... even though it's weird that FSU kept their name while Illinois lost their mascot.
- Bill Sodeman
Some people have too much time on their hands. Still, if there's support for changing a team name because it might potentially possibly perhaps cause one or two people to think "Hey!" once, even though the unbelievably massive majority of people (including probably most of those of whom it allegedly offends) won't give it more than a second's thought then I'd like to point out that I'm...
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- Mark H
I think the blatant misrepresentation of the attendance figures is what FOX is trying to call attention to. Rick Sanchez is pretty hilarious when he tries to defend his network and lashes out at FOX, or any other media outlet that isn't CNN. Remember #CNNfail and how defensive he got with Scoble?
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Whatever Sanchez is wrong about (and Scoble's #CNNfail is one), he's right about Faux. Murdoch's got a whole army of professional liars working for him. #foxfail, anyone?
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm not going to sit here and defend FOX, because I really don't enjoy for long periods of time any particular cable news channel not devoted to a niche like biz or tech or something non-political... but when it comes to the big ones, CNN, MSNBC, FOX - they've all got just as many "liars on payroll" as the other. To think otherwise is just allowing your personal bias to blind you.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
Cable news is not immune from the same phenomenon with the Web. People want to see the world as it aligns with their worldview. They'll give their time, attention and money to those that align with how they see things. There are no independent actors. Even the old media bell weathers have inherent biases built in. We're witnessing the splintering and sharpening of the American collective personality into distinct world views hastened by the fragmentation of media.
- Morgan
It isn't the same thing that Americans play in their basements, anymore than driving on the road is like racing an F1 car.
- Alex Scoble
those guys were the real Forrest Gump. No special effects. Truly amazing.
- Josh Haley
Because bathtub tennis is considered 'dirty'.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Mark, if power walking is an Olympic sport, then table tennis certainly deserves its place.
- Dan Kaplan
If you've ever played tabletennis, and really played it up to its higher standards...you'd really appreciate the level of concentration, speed & accuracy involved.
- Zee.
A unless they were really crappy donuts to begin with (like Entenmann's or any that came in a sealed box rather than from a donut shop). The places I've worked almost never had a nearby place to get fresh donuts so C wasn't an option.
- Spidra Webster
agreed. I love foursquare, but in Orange County I'm pretty much a one-man data entry team trying to add a location everywhere I go...playing in SF is much more fun/engaging.
- Morgan
The SEO-friendly benefits of video are truly amazing. Particularly viral videos. The link structures that get generated are super-powerful in rocketing them up the SERPs.
- Morgan
Loved the quote "I budget time every morning to read and blog every morning. I do that before I check my personal email or work email. I believe you have to pay yourself first. When you open your email you pay someone else, because it's usually people reaching out to ask you for something. Taking the time to read blogs, synthesize and add value, that builds your community. That's paying yourself first." So true as well.
- Sally Church
that was my favorite quote too - need to remember that!
- Morgan
from IM
"If you want to see the sources for all the stats you can grab them here: http://socialnomics.net/2009...... (like if you want to include them in a presentation or something.)"
- Morgan