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Here's Who's Getting Hired Right Now in Tech - Jobwire - http://www.readwriteweb.com/jobwire...
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I love this trend for community managers. It's great to hear that those skills (which happen to be my own skills) are getting recognized in the marketplace.
- Dawn
@Dawn, what are those skills?
- Engin Erdogan
Engrin: General skills, instead of a more specialized focus, mostly having to do with communication. One person said the role needs these, which I would agree with based on doing this role for my own company in the past: "customer service/marketing/business analysis/tech support/software testing/documentation/journalist." I would add that you must be able to do the following well: write, edit, listen, evangelize, motivate, teach, and be a creative problem solver.
- Dawn
Jan 22, 2009: SFAMA: Charlene Li on "The Future Of Social Networks: An Update On Where We Are Today" at Adaptive Path - http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event...
adam, Charlie Anzman, B2B Specialist and 7 other people liked this
Thanks for listing this Robert. Charlene has some interesting advances in some of the research she did in Groundswell which she shared earlier this month in a Mt. View meet up. Hoping she includes that in this presentation.
- Bill Sanders
Thanks, Robert. I really appreciate the listing; it would be great to see you there.
- Mark Evans
Bijan discovers Beirut. that’s a good thing.
bijan:
Postcards From Italy - Beirut
I must have been living under a rock. Until last night I never heard of this band. And then they hit me right between the eyes. Been listening to them on the Hype Machine this morning. - http://bijansabet.com/post...
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Why do we have to discuss who's twitterer/friendfeeder/social media-er/etc., of the year? Seriously. It makes NO sense. It's completely arbitrary and I am tired of the incredibly meta atmosphere social media has. Stop talking about social media and START TALKING. Amirite?
Mark Wilson, Steven Perez, cjmart and 38 other people liked this
Af'nMEN
- Shawn Farner
The power of FF is all of us feeding together, not any individual, however stellar.
- Jeanine W.
+ a very high number with lots of zeros, Jeanine
- Derrick
Don't let Scoble see you posting this.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Absolutely. It's an oxymoron.
- Kamath (नमः)
Word.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Too late Akiva.
- Robert Scoble
*ducks*
- Shawn Farner
Oh noes!
- Akiva Moskovitz
But...but....I wanna be META!!!!!! :P
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Yep!
- Helen Sventitsky
Agree!
- Jeff P. Henderson
w3rd!! Holy hell, do we all need to read "Animal Farm" again?? I thought the whole point of SM was to flatten/ democratize comms. Now we're establishing artificial criteria based on..what?? Fol count? Degree of genuflection by PR peeps? Dag.
- Sue Radd
"Stop talking about social media and START TALKING."
- jbrotherlove
Yes.
- Derrick
LOL omg, Sue that is so weird that you said that. I was totally thinking "Animal Farm"! :) People are going to start vanishing pretty soon (like the poor horse)...
- Shawn Farner
Mattie - agree strongly and have been grousing about it a bit (see: http://www.cosmictap.com/breadli...) The circle-jerk echo chamber is the least desirable aspect of this space.
- Anthony Citrano
It's kinda like the fight to be number one on twitter..thats at least a bit entertaining though given the ones that are involved in it...
- Samuel Lewis
from twhirl
it's still meta to be telling people not to talk about this. why do you care? just ignore the stupid leaderboard mania of today's temporary elite
- Christian Crumlish
Christian - It's hard to ignore something that permeates throughout my feed and rss browser.
- Mattie Kenny
My favorite things are the endless posts about how the A-list is dead. They usually drum up 20-30 comments from the so-called A-listers who also claim that the A-list is dead. A few posts later, one of those A-listers is nervously laughing about being unfollowed by someone.
- Akiva Moskovitz
LOL Akiva.
- Mattie Kenny
@Mattie maybe you're following too many / the wrong people?
- Christian Crumlish
Christian - I think you misunderstood what I said. I am neither following the wrong people or too many of them.
- Mattie Kenny
from fftogo
YES.
- Steven Perez
Just heard from a client that a vendor (community platform) that I recommended to them was a no show on the first sales call. Sent CEO email
Morton Fox, Wesley Barrow, morten saxnaes and 2 other people liked this
A no show? That's really inexcusable.
- Hutch Carpenter
not a good start
- Jorge Escobar
how many chances would you give a vendor like that before you took them off your list and recommended someone else?
- Wesley Barrow
"Seven Social Media Consultants That Deliver Tangible Value" http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... including criticisms of each (eek!)http://bit.ly/1u4k4z
morten saxnaes, Elliott Ng, Daniel J. Pritchett and 2 other people liked this
Marshall: Thanks so much for the call out. And thanks especially for pointing out that comments were off on my blog -- I had absolutely no idea that was the case! (And that explains why there haven't been any comments lately, doh on my part for not checking). I'm definitely looking forward to conversations, online and off, and invite feedback, critiques, and dialog.
- Charlene Li
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
<3 Friendfeed plugins on blogs.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Thanks for the quick note Charlene, I've updated the post and look forward to continued conversation!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
No offense or disrespect but I don't particularly care about these people; everyone already knows them - we hear their names mentioned all the dam time again....... Where's the "real" social media bloggers that deserve recognition?? The ones that no one ever talks about but SHOULD talk about!?
- ChaCha Fance
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Marshall: Excellent post. All seven are indeed thought leaders and worthy of the recognition. I was surprised not to see @ShivSingh's name on the list. More practitioner than blogger, he consistently provides deep thinking on social media - what's working, what's not, and why. I recommend following him, (www.goingsocialnow.com). I'm also perpetually inspired by Danah Boyd (www.danah.org), who has probably forgotten more about social media than any of us will ever know.
- Noah Carter
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Marshall, I think you need to add Umair Haque on here, considering mind-blowing analysis like this piece from 2006: http://www.bubblegeneration.com/2006... And any mention of Umair is remiss without also citing John Hagel (McKinsey/Deloitte).
- Ethan Bauley
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
FriendFeed Is Growing Nicely Regardless Of What Scoble Says - http://www.winextra.com/2008...
Tyson Key, Jens Christian Freund, Joe Perrin and 55 other people liked this
Steven: You make me laugh out loud. :)
- Mona Nomura
At times, it seems Robert likes to be as wrong as possible, so that when he is right, he looks even better in contrast. :-) This "passionate" has been constantly active on FriendFeed for some time, and actually recruited Robert. His knee-jerk comments should be more thought-out because they do carry impact, especially for those on Twitter who are looking for more reasons to not join FriendFeed. Is the service perfect? No. But it's the best of its kind, period, and the engagement there is strong and growing.
- Louis Gray
@Mona .. call it returning the favour for all the great stuff you post :)
- Steven Hodson
I much prefer discussing things here than Twitter - I hate receiving replies on Twitter because no one can track the conversation. And actually, it's the same problem on Identi.ca for me, believe it or not.
- Jesse Stay
His reality will never be anyone else's. To all those people that hang on his every bodily function: Please. Stop. Think of The Children. He's fickly pronounced Twitter and FF passe a few times now. Pick a service, he's championed it one week and yawned over it the next. He has no attention span, no depth to his interest, and people are far, far too wrapped up in him. I've been saying...
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- abacab
@Jesse Stay (jessestay): Threading is a Hard Problem(tm) but a Solved(c) one. Which makes me wonder why FF doesn't actually have a better threading/reply architecture for comments. There are times I long for a reimplimentation of UseNet.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
UseNet FTW!
- WorldofHiglet
Steven, your pull-quote from Robert was also the lesser of the few he made -- I think that Titanic comment was the doozy. And in reading the thread, seemed he was picking on the "searchability," or lack there-of, on FF -- which for many reasons doesn't seem to be a strong angle from which to question the usefulness of the service.
- Marko Bon
The Titanic comment was ridiculous. It practically ridiculizes itself.
- abacab
Twitter absolutely perplexes me. 1. It's like different water coolers in one place - and everyone chimes in at once. 2. In order to efficiently manage information, a 3rd party app is a must. Is it me or is that unintuitive? @abacab: Wow. Those words are quite bizarre. Sounds more like a personal problem. -just saying.
- Mona Nomura
Mona: I'm a bizarre person. And yeah, some of it is personal. ;)
- abacab
No offense to Robert and all, but lately I've been reconsidering the value of what he says as far as how it relates to me anyway. I consider myself a passionate techie (I work in tech support and it is also very much my main hobby) , but lately when he says 'passionate' I'm not sure he means me. I've been feeling the same disconnect with Arrington too, and I'm not sure what happened, as those two used to be the pillars of my blog reading experience.
- Aaron Krug
@Aaron I don't think you are alone by a long shot
- Steven Hodson
I think Robert's persona (as distinct from who Robert really is) has jumped the shark, or "nuked the fridge". He has become more and more dramatic in his exclamations in order to garner attention and reaction. Perhaps this really is the way of the blogosphere where only extreme voices generate interest, pageviews, links, and comments. These extreme voices call out for more moderate voices to correct and comment. In this way Scoble is helping to bring more into the conversation.
- Elliott Ng
This is a great thing he is doing. But he is "jumping the shark" because we no longer take his declarations seriously. What do you think Robert about this argument? Anyway, I love your egalitarian populist tendencies so keep that up even as your proclamations become more and more extreme!
- Elliott Ng
@Steven it actually makes me feel a bit better to hear you say that. I think that it might be that I have gotten more involved and have seen quite a bit of flip flopping on both of their parts (huge pet peeve of mine). For example, the whole deal with Scoble and Demo. You can't be an adviser to TC50 and consider yourself impartial enough to have an opinion about Demo, no matter how right you are (Demo, your sites were bad); that was the final disconnect for me.
- Aaron Krug
@abacab You can't disconnect yourself from an audience that's enamored with you. This is a thread full of people evaluating how seriously they take this man, nitpicking his personality, armchair psychology-ing him. That leaves me with the impression that he is necessarily highly connected to his audience, or his audience is highly connected to him. I'm enjoying being an audience to his audience. It's quite entertaining. It's like watching Thus Spoke Zarathustra, the forum troll version.
- elissa
@elissa, I have read Thus SpAke Zarathustra several times (Nietzsche is another hobby of mine) and would agree with your assessment. One cannot separate himself from the audience his actions has created, unless one is willing to move on without said audience. Nietzsche knew in writing those words he was risking losing a lot of the conservative praise he had garnered previously, and was willing to part with it to stay true to himself, as he demonstrated with 'Twilight of the Idols' and 'The Antichrist.'
- Aaron Krug
I only wonder if Robert would be willing to do the same.
- Aaron Krug
friendfeed is awesome!
- collins
Amen Steven
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@elissa: As audience members become less enamored, one does indeed start to lose them. Disconnects are clearly happening; some examples are in this thread. It's important to consider the power some people have on all the people that, right or wrong, hang on their every word. I think people aren't seeing the same value anymore in what these guys have to say. Most of it I can and do get elsewhere, or see vetted/filtered through other FFers, say... afaik, I've lost nothing by not following them.
- abacab
@Aaron Good answer, damn it! :D @abacab If you feel that way, why are you wasting your time? Go be your own phenomenon and make people discuss you instead.
- elissa
@Aaron, just saw your capital A. It's translated differently in different editions. Nice try, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- elissa
@elissa: Whether it's a waste of my time or not would be my call, thanks. Or since we disagree, I should...go away, is that right? You dig him, I get it. Lots of the subtleties of Nietzsche have been lost in translation, btw... but I do indeed agree that there are some similarities there that fit this thread.
- abacab
abacab: It's not 'these guys' faults people lack critical thinking skills. That said, whether I agree or not is a whoooole different story... :|
- Mona Nomura
@abacab I don't dig or not dig him. I don't really know him. I've never read his blogs or anything. He was in my email so he's shown up on my FF, and I'm finding this whole thing rather funny. You don't have to go away, you just seem like you're expressing that you want to. Like for instance "I've been saying this a lot lately, but really, for most people, he's best unfollowed and entirely ignored." and "afaik, I've lost nothing by not following them."
- elissa
@elissa granted different translations spell it differently (and to be honest you could spell it 'spork' and I wouldn't care as long as you got the point, and it seems you have), and while in most literary discussions the Walter Kaufmann translation is used, as he is considered the preeminent translator of Nietzsche into the English language (brilliant man, brilliant work), I was referring to the Thomas Common edition, which is considered the most faithful to the German language itself.
- Aaron Krug
My apologies for any offense, as none was meant.
- Aaron Krug
I think that's largely my point. One can have an entirely satisfactory experience online, and stay on top of most things, without ever having heard of him. I offer this as advice to others. :) And that's becoming more and more true everyday, imo, given how he's getting more and more....dramatic and wishy-washy, more about personal attention and effect than anything else (that I can think of, anyway). Apologies for my assumption, btw, and great talking with you. :)
- abacab
@Aaron ooh fancy. @Aaron none taken. This is Thus Spork Zarathustra the forum troll version, I'd be an idiot to take offense. @abacab No need to apologize?
- elissa
I take it back then. :P
- abacab
from NoiseRiver
@abacab Deal!
- elissa
Elissa: scoble should RUN FOR OFFICE
- Eric Rice
Eric: He's got the right kind of thing built up around him for it, that much is evident.
- elissa
@Eric if he did I can't say I'd vote for him. Like I said, the one thing I value most is consistency. Once you've stated a thing either stick with it or admit you were wrong and explain why. I'm not sure Robert has that in him.
- Aaron Krug
So Robert Scoble is John Kerry and you're a republican?
- elissa
Or at least dip in every so often and check progress. I HATE HATE HATE the non-stop 'oh hai day one of our software' blogosphere: "it BLOWS YOU SUCK DIE NOTHING NEW"... Seriously, fire everyone if they have that kind of snap judgement. Come back later, always and often, even if something is dumb. That's why that 'the DEMO sites suck' post bugged me. If tech leaders can't get past a site's design, screw em. Innovation won't happen if we can't stop staring at the tits on that software's API.
- Eric Rice
I just arrived in Washington DC after a long night of traveling and everyone is both correct and wrong in this post. Which is why FriendFeed is fun.
- Robert Scoble
The real question is not growth of FF for its sake but whether FFers take and get from FF what they want and aspire!
- Hayk H.
Eric: the TC50 sites sucked just as bad as the Demo ones did. I just had the Demo list first.
- Robert Scoble
@Hayk, that's pretty accurate - I love this place not for how big it could potentially be, but for the people who make it what it is.
- Iain Baker
Is it over for RSS readers? - http://www.accmanpro.com/2008...
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I find that Google Reader is making me smarter and is a great way to start conversations that make me smarter over on FriendFeed. FriendFeed lately has gotten a little too superficial for my tastes as we've seen a raft of bacon and other goofy things get a lot of discussion. Google Reader brings me a much higher percentage of smart posts with little noise, much different than Twitter or FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
You are right. It is much less superficial. There is more intentional sharing, making it much more valuable then the basis at which Friendfeed aggregates content for you. If someone takes the time to write a post, and you have chosen to follow him because he provides value) the basis is already much better than FF.
- Alexander van Elsas
Aren't you at a disadvantage since you subscribe to so many people? One of the key features of FF is the ability to filter the noise. I can honestly say I've seen no Bacon or any other pork-related discussion ;) because FF filters everything for me. But the filter still brings me interesting new people. I may be a wrong but I think these little meshed cocoons are what will bring FF mainstream
- Steven Cains
Robert - I like the playful nature of FriendFeed, but I also tire of it at times. Hide has been useful lately.
- Hutch Carpenter
being that RSS readers still aren't mainstream, no.
- Sam Harrelson
from twhirl
I think this is another way of saying "Has Robert Scoble declared RSS bankruptcy?"
- Nick O'Neill
from twhirl
@Cains: I agree. Those who feel the need to add friends in FF, in the same way they follow on Twitter, are at a disadvantage when it comes to the power (and, dare I say: personal sustainability) of FriendFeed. The goals, for me, of all of these services: reduction of noise, education, entertainment (a distant third). Everyone wants to mimic the success of Scoble: good luck with that.
- Blake N. Cooper
i think feed readers will keep working as knowledge bringers,sites like twitter,friendfeed et al however are breaching the distance from the reading the the conversation. inevitable also, is the fact that as services gain mass reach, the also average the content down to the middle. it's part of the reason "edgelings" move toward new smart-only-for-now services.
- Ruben Llibre
Robert, I agree that FF is a little superficial, but I this was *Social* Media, i.e. conversation/sharing/exchange, rather than *Intellectual* Media. It's more like a party than a seminar, as it should be. I would love a place to have purely intellectual conversations in a social media framework. I can get a little bit of both from FF, but it does tend to be varied and yes, at times superficial. I like that aspect of it, but I can see your frustration given your objectives for what you want to get from it.
- Steve Lowe
Most of my blogs readers still use RSS, they love RSS and were the early adapters as well. It's the blogs that depend on CPM advertising cash that don't want you using a feed reader.
- paul mooney
With a Google Reader reader like Feedly the information comes in looking good, and the integration with FriendFeed makes it easy to put anything worthwile through. I think motherloads of people still think RSS is something you get from using your mouse too much, so declaring it death is way too early.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I think the bigger item of interest is that the RSS readers are evolving. gReader includes notes, and you can share posts. All of the aggregation platforms do similar things. Basically, RSS is just the format, the display is changing. This is a good thing.
- Rob Diana
RSS hasn't climbed the mountain of the masses yet. And it will. Just wait.
- Jeroen Mirck
And I forgot, Jeremiah Owyang has started using imaginary friends for RSS feeds (http://friendfeed.com/e...).
- Rob Diana
Good Question !! I have stopped using bloglines and/or Greader for the most part. However, most of thoses RSS gets pipped into my FF 'imagainy feed" named "restofworld" . So content is still getting aggregated, However the vehicle for such aggregation has now become FF.
- Peter Dawson
These days firing up my RSS reader of choice is as stressful and inefficient as is walking into the magazine section at Barnes N Noble with the intention to "discover and catch up on interesting content". *Traditional* RSS consumption by human beings simply doesn't scale IMO. In the long-run we are all bound to call it quits.
- Aviv
IMO the fluff means that FriendFeed is getting more popular. If any system wishes to keep from trending toward entropy, it needs to be insular in some fashion, or require a deliberate push toward order. I agree with Jeroen, RSS will become more chaotic as it is adopted more widely.
- Phil G
@Nick: forget RSS bankruptcy - has Scoble just declared FriendFeed fatigue? ;)
- Aviv
I agree with Cains. The movement away from pure intellectual discussion on FF makes me believe it's becoming more mainstream. It is inevitable. I for one welcome it, and look forward to services like NoiseRiver to help control the noise for those who are looking for a more filtered experience.
- Hao Chen
@Hao: I agree. I think that for many of us the existing FF "flow" is slowly becoming "too raw" for sustainable direct consumption (some say it moves too fast, content too random, noisy discussions, childish LOL cats, not mainsteam enough, too geeky, etc.) Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a flaw in the FF design - if anything, I think it will prove to be FF's greatest strengths...
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- Aviv
" FF "flow" is slowly becoming "too raw" for sustainable direct consumption" YES that is a fact. With that in mind, thats why my pvt rooms are important to me. I keep my rss feeds aggregated and still have quality content w/out any of the noise that I get on friends tab. FF is a dual edged. On one hand we can create convo's and on the other hand we can just use it as an RSS aggregator.
- Peter Dawson
J. Phil is right: the fluff does mean that FF is getting more popular and bringing in a wider audience. I'm not too frustrated by it, just hit hide and move on. But, I do notice that we get lazy and stop bringing in interesting stuff, so I'm redoubling my efforts to go to Google Reader and make sure that I bring a ton of stuff in here to make sure we don't just talk about bacon.
- Robert Scoble
It's not over by a long shot, but it aint mainstream either.
- Steve Rubel
I've found myself neglecting Google Reader too much at times as well, instead gorging on FF bacon :) I've been trying to get back into flying thru Google Reader with SHIFT+S at the ready
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
I don't ever open up a reader. I just use Thunderbird and it's always there and up to date. No pain all gain.
- Todd Hoff
+1 for bacon discussions and other goofy things on FF. Mixed in with tech news of course.
- Mike Doeff
The use of RSS isn't over for me until more people from the hospitality industry move into using sites like twitter/friendfeed.
- Shane Keener
for me, working in media relations, RSS is the only way to scan a lot of headlines in various industries. RSS for news, FriendFeed for conversations perhaps. FriendFeed for commenting and opinions and conversations, RSS readers for REAL NEWS.
- Mike Lizun
My Google Reader is for me. It's for information that I don't necessarily need to share with others (like MLBTraderumors.com) or various other feeds that are in my industry (footwear). I use it for catching up on the things I know interest me. FF is like going to the local pub and catching up on the random silliness, tech news, etc that I may or may not be exposed to in my own personal day to day business. They serve two separate but sometimes overlapping needs.....
- George Smith
Hate to say it, but FF and Twitter have replaced my rss reader... I miss it and I don't.
- Andrew Hyde
I love my RSS feeds - no intention of giving them up. In fact, still waiting for some sites to get with the program.
- William Harryman
Toluu is a great rss aggrigator. It is a community based app that identifies "users" that have similar interest to yours and allows you to see thier feeds and subscribe to them. I've found many great feeds and learn much more than casual browing could accomplish
- Scott Schang
from feedalizr
Well, for RSS it's definitely not. RSS is a standard. RSS Readers are clients. What you are referring to is if RSS Readers per se are dead. Which my answer is definitely not. I'm still very much addicted to Google Reader, and sometimes I have http://snackr.net playing on my monitor. IMHO, of course.
- Jorge Escobar
Not even close. RSS is a major part of my daily routine. The problem with things like FriendFeed is that it's all about buzz, and little actual content. 99 people ranting about the same exact thing. I suspect PR and marketing folks have largely saturated it already, just as many tech blogs are nothing more than reformatted press releases. RSS feeds let me easily keep tabs on sites I trust. Not to mention RSS is used all over backends for most Social sites as well as news sites. It's the true news api.
- Robert Accettura
RSS is far from dead, and that said,does anything truly die on the internet, I know lots of people who still use news servers (news://). plus I agree with Scoble, RSS readers make me smarter. I start everyday off with Google Reader reading the news, trade publication articles and other stories that expand my knowledge. I then head over to FriendFeed & SocialThing to see what others think is interesting and what they are talking about.
- nick carrasco
I abandoned Google Reader when I started using FriendFeed. RSS readers are too cluttered and social filtering of RSS makes for far better content discovery.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas Hawk, Google Reader is not the best tool for content discovery, but that's not what I use it for. I use it for staying current with content channels I've already discovered.
- J. McConnell
for me, there is still lots of information that I don't get on ff or twitter, but do in google reader. I often find a good bit of new .NET tips that I don't think I would otherwise see. I think it's a bit too soon to cast off RSS readers until everyone is pushing all of their updates to all [important] services.
- Steve Long
from twhirl
Having divergent interests, and quite a few subscriptions in Google Reader, I am regularly back and forth between it and FriendFeed. I find the two very complementary - I enjoy and have learned from the perspectives of those I subscribe to and respect here, which prompts me to search for additional content in GR to absorb. RSS definitely maximizes my online time, FriendFeed enhances it.
- jcunwired
GReader is for slow and indepth consumption, Friendfeed is fast food. I like both, but they say too much fast food is unhealthy.
- Alexander van Elsas
I still use my Bloglines account regularly as it's the best way to keep up with sites that I like to read on a regular basis in a format that makes sense for me. RSS and stuff like FriendFeed are different in similar manner to how watching TV and using a DVR are different. One just gives you random stuff based on someone else's idea of what I should see and the other allows me to control the content that I see much more effectively.
- Alex Scoble
If GReader is luxurious dining out, and FF is fast food, then what would be a nice, custom home-cooked meal?
- Hao Chen
RSS readers are not even close to over! I get a constant stream of quality news and information, custom tailored to my interests. Still way better quality than anything I could get from a social networking site such as FriendFeed. I get much less noise from my RSS feed, without having to go through the effort to manually filter/hide stuff I don't care about, like I have to do on social networks.
- Jeff P. Henderson
For me writing a blog post is a conscious intentional act. If I subscribe to a blog I know I will get quality material (most of the time). Aggregation such as with Friendfeed is very different. too many sources and too many unintentional shares. As a result there is more content that is less interesting. In GReader you don't need filters, noise reduction schemes or whatever. You either subscribe or you don't. FF lets you consume fast, discover, but also gives you massive amounts of useless content.
- Alexander van Elsas
@Robert, quite the contrary - Google Reader has become even more important to me and its still the first place I go. Much less noise and topics I care about right away as well as smart recommendations. FF's strength is its ability to handle conversations. A combination of both would be utopia for me.
- Ron Emrick
i think this has been a case of "narrative bias" (e.g. i'm bored with it so the whole world must be bored with it as well). RSS readers (particularly GReader) are stronger than ever. Google Reader is an integral part of my information gathering/filtering/sharing (e.g. sharing via FF).
- ~C4Chaos
I think people will become even more selective with what feeds they add to their reader and will look for personal recommendations for those 'hidden gem' blogs that they don't know about yet, but would love.
- Caleb Elston
I think that RSS Readers need a few new features to make them feel less like email clients. First I'd like the ability to set a time to live for the articles in some blogs. It's ok to miss articles from one feed because if it's important it'll show up somewhere else later, a lot of people say that's they switched from RSS readers to twitter.
- Shawn McCollum
Next is to add a feature to manage the "me too" posts. I've been reading my feeds via a tag cloud where the important to me articles bubble up, sometimes by shear number of posts (iphone related). From my cloud I click on say iphone and I can view all the posts about the iphone, see if it's interesting read or mark read. It's really cut down the time I spend reading just to catch up on what's going on.
- Shawn McCollum
when feedreaders are better at whitelisting items for my attention i'll probably get hooked again but i stopped regularly using a feedreader nearly four years ago and have done just fine letting my friends filter the web for me (that's what social media means to me).
- Christian Crumlish
SEC To Recognize Corporate Blogs as Public Disclosure. Can We Now Kill the Press Release? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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This is huge news for corporate bloggers and proponents of them.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, this is a big step. However, I don't think this is the end of the Press Release. Corporate Blogs would still require people to go to them to read the information, Press Releases get sent to the media, which means you know who your information is going to.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
It's big news for corporations; they have to be doubly careful what they say on their blogs, that it does (or doesn't) meet Reg FD standards.The press release isn't dead-- it's useful as a push tool and great for journalists (citizen or otherwise) to get basic facts in one place so they can have real conversations w/out having to ask minutiae like title, spelling, etc. But are press releases evolving? Oh yes. The post makes good points re SM but it will be interesting to see how it plays beyond the digerati
- Merredith Branscombe
I sent this over to our Executive Communication Director at my work today (Nelnet, Inc.) I am curious what her response will be. This is HUGE!!! Brian Solis did a terrific job on this blog post over at TC today.
- Susan Beebe
Wow, the Marina is so... the Marina. I feel like a tourist.
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Pitch Us - Y Combinator Lays Out The Startup Ideas They'd Like To Fund - http://seedwatcher.typepad.com/seedwat...
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like = bookmark (read it - liked it for real)
- mike "glemak" dunn
YC Rocks! Love em.
- Muthu Ramadoss
Props to YC and PG for transapency!
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
good pointer to the original core dump from yc - http://ycombinator.com/ideas...
- mike "glemak" dunn
i really like that they put this list out their - great targets for young innovators looking for motivation - i tried to do something similar w/ my technical due diligence posts, aimed at those a little further along seeking funding - http://tinyurl.com/techdd
- mike "glemak" dunn
DO NOT WANT to Work for Yahoo - http://www.eyje.com/picture...
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yee-haaaaw
- Mona Nomura
People pee in the sink at Yahoo??
- Morton Fox
I might say this is the least of their problems, but peeing in the sink is pretty bad.
- Hutch Carpenter
Hahaha wtf!
- Mo Kargas
It's one of the few pleasures left at the company apparently ;)
- Jonathon
Do Startups Need Community Managers? post up, thanks for your help with it! http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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I've just read your enormous post and I still don't really know what a community manager is. I challenge you in one sentence, using plain English to explain what a community manager is.
- Charlie
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Depends on how far along that startup is...
- l0ckergn0me
ok, will do -coming up as soon as I'm off the phone
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Good post... I agree with l0ckergn0me: it's about scope and awesomeness. Either of those gets large and the ability to adequately engage and speak to a community diminishes.
- Clay Newton
Charlie, here's one sentence. A community manager is someone who communicates with a company's users/customers, development team and executives and other stake holders in order to amplify the work of all parties. Second sentence, just in case you'd like it: They probably provide customer service, highlight best use-cases of a product, make first contact in some potential business partnerships and increase the public visibility of the company they work for. Thanks, by the way Charlie, I've added to post.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Thanks a lot!
- Charlie
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Great article!
- Dmitry Paranyushkin
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
My 2 cents: At the very beginning, when the startup consists only of founders you can select CM out of them. If you don't have a person that can pull it (meaning someone with marketing, PR, BDM skills) your startup is going to be in trouble anyway - it means you have just engineers on the team. Another issue: CM is not a PR2.0, it's CRM 2.0 - back in the days CRM was about getting input...
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- Marcin Grodzicki
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
#53, and how exactly would you make profit without customers?
- Marcin Grodzicki
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Marshall, thanks for thinking I was useful enough to quote. It turned into great article and well informative. How informative? Well, we just got a part-time Community Manager and the first thing I did was have him read this article, the comments, the Digg comments, and go from there. :) In our case, as a marketplace for video games, systems, and accessories - the community is more than...
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- Sachin Agarwal
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Sachin, that's awesome!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
For me this new job description signals two important developments: first, the increasing confluence of PR and marketing; second, the end of thinking of the consumer as standing behind a huge wall that is only semi-permeable with (unidirectional) tools like market research (that's the way Rob Kozinets put it and I like this metaphor very much). So I would add that Community Managers...
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- Benedikt Koehler
I've settled on "Network Facilitator", but noticed the need back when I was heavily involved in NZ MovieFest - if a community is fostered, it flourishes into something is not only worth money, but worthwhile. Of recent times, I'm seeing more and more community managers - and not just for start-ups, but for larger companies as well. Bring back community, eh?
- Jo Booth
failPhone on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Mitchell Tsai, Rey Ramos, Iain Baker and 159 other people liked this
Amen to that!
- Steve Rubel
from Bookmarklet
my post coming soon...
- MG Siegler
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- l0ckergn0me
lemmings. sheep. fail.
- Andrea Baker
Hooray!
- Maryam Ardakani
Let me just say it again: I am so, so glad I didn't wait in line.
- Akiva Moskovitz
ROFLMAO
- Rob Witte
from Alert Thingy
Great !
- Amir Homaiy
LOVE IT!
- George Smith
Awesome!
- Internet's Tad
Don't have a Jesus (or Mary) phone yet, so I can't judge. I would like to be able to judge, though!
- Alex von Halem
from twhirl
my interpretation: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Holger Eilhard
awesome!
- andy brudtkuhl
lets hope the failphone stays failing for a few more hours - my iphone error page is doing quite nicely in pv :)
- Allen Stern
great picture!
- Corey Hammond
My RogersBlackberry is humming along fine
- johnpiercy
from twhirl
My RogersBlackberry is humming along fine too ;-)
- AJ Batac
My updated iPhone (old school) is humming along just fine (I updated it yesterday and had no problems).
- Jennifer Dittrich
Right...but its Rogers...and its Blackberry. See?
- Kamath (नमः)
hey steve if your phone is down, i can let you borrow my samsung ace - it works great, super fast speeds, and an awesome opera mobile browser :)
- Allen Stern
Hang out for a while. It finally comes on. I was down for 3 hours trying to update this AM, though
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I am a committed late adopter to expensive change... vote McCain
- Noah David Simon
Brilliant!
- Sarah Crisman
from NoiseRiver
Wow. First time I've seen an item with triple digit likes.
- Mark Krynsky
me thinks it will go higher by days end ,, as the problems continue , flickr exposure + friendfeed = TRAFFIC ( Viewed 2,049 times ) on flickr
- johnpiercy
beauty! i had a 1.0 brick all day
- Bob DeAmbra
from twhirl
i think this is one of the most liked posts on FF
- Susan Beebe
love it!!
- Drew B
More Iranian Missile Photoshopery - http://www.boingboing.net/2008...
Pete Delucchi, Arthur Guy, Kyle Bunch and 155 other people liked this
LOL @ the x-wing fighters.
- Cee Bee
this just made today so much better. hilarious.
- Matt Harwood
LMAO awesome
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
The AT&T one made me laugh
- Kreg Steppe
Godzilla would be more effective than most of Iran's weapons.
- Michael Tefft
I want to laugh, but...
- l0ckergn0me
don't know.. it's too close to me.. funny yet.. (...went to prepare my protected room :))
- Naor Mark
Godzilla ftw
- xero
hilarious
- andy brudtkuhl
wow. i did laugh. too crazy.
- Andrea Baker
liked more bars, more places
- Laurie Stoker
FAF = funny as feck - LOL
- Graham Steel
Only thing that's put a smile on my face today with all this iPhone nonsense is the Godzilla one! Seriously funny...
- John Samuelson
"Like Saddam, we're total bad-asses. We have missiles! Godzilla! Our soldiers are all armed with flaming holy scimitars! You will drown in rivers of your own blood! Stay away."
- Chris Baskind
Can't stop laughing. =D
- David Cook
Godzilla looks like Big Bird's face with a baseball cap.
- Trish R
Fricking hilarious!
- Geoff Peterson
why godzilla didn't try to fly with those missiles ?! :D it should be fun...
- Milad.p
:)
- خیزران Has gone
Good PS,nice fancy.
- Chris Qie
omg, this is awesome! 8^D
- Chieze Okoye
I like Godzilla. Too Cool
- Steve
One thought: So they PS'ed one more missile. Wouldn't 3 hitting your town still be a big deal?
- Louis Gray
One would ruin my day, Louis.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
What next!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
The idea that they only have a 75% success rate on something they deem as "an awesome display" is definitely something to be ashamed of. This is the best they can do, and it was barely a passing grade.'
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Louis, whilst I am amoungst those that value your opinion, that hypothetical, improbable does not lick the boots of the reality of shameful journalistic integrity, misrepresenting a nation (of people, remember), and spreading that lie as far as the eye can see. When we turn the emphasis away from the facts of what happened, we make it matter less.
- Michael W. May
the neo cons control Godzilla. Watch out it is a Zionist threat
- Noah David Simon
Louis: Three hitting your town would be a big deal, but none of these have enough range to reach your town... or any town in Israel, which is the larger concern. None of these are Shahabs http://tinyurl.com/6ch6pg.
- Steve Lynch
always remember that close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons.
- Nathan Eckenrode
Drudge adds some "insight": http://www.drudgereport.com/flashim...
- Louis Gray
ببین تو رو خدا چه جوری آبروی ادمو می برن!حالا اینام گیر دادن دیگه ول نمی کنن
- Shandiz
this made my day!
- imabonehead
FriendFeed : CafePress.com - http://www.cafepress.com/friendf...
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Hey FriendFeed, 99% of your users don't know where the store is because there's no link to it anywhere on your site. Help your happy users be your walking advertisements and make it more visible.
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
I am sure if I walked in wearing one of these my partner would assault me. She hates my obsession with the site and doesn't understand why I frequent it so regularly!
- Joe Dawson
Anybody like to send some free schwag halfway 'round the world? (I can't buy from cafepress 'coz the shipping costs are usually greater than the item costs. sigh)
- Yuvi
I am so buying a shirt!
- Mike Fruchter
i need one in black perhaps with a heavy metal devil's horn thrown in
- Cee Bee
heck, allow users to design their own.
- Kyle Lacy
Ok, I need to buy a FF shirt el pronto!
- Susan Beebe
Anyone can create a CafePress store with anyone's logo, and it's hard to tell who's reaping the profits. So I wouldn't use this as a way to "give back" to the service.
- Paul Whitaker
Paul, this is the official store, not a fan site.
- Louis Gray
Thanks for sharing Louis - now my baby can be a true Swag magnet ;)
- Jesse Stay
My massage therapist and trainer both think I should be sitting on my ball more. Apparently my glutes aren't what they used to be.
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Leo... Sit on it!
- Jim Bednarz
This tweet definitely has comic potential...
- john conroy
That's like your wife
- Michelle Darnell
Twitter is still the best for short updates, but I'm really enjoying the expanded benefits of FriendFeed.
- Donna
Every man knows that sitting on your ball hurts like hell.
- Paul Reynolds
Favorited on Twitter :P
- John Grinde
If you've only got the one, m8, then forget about the massage and the training. You've got more important matters to take care of...
- john conroy
Several people I know use those big exercise balls as computer desk "chairs". Exercise while you surf.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
My chauffeur and chef tell me to walk less and eat more!
- Kevin Shannon
Climbing stairs can do wonders for the glutes and has cardio benefits the ball does not. If there is an option while traveling, take the stairs over the elevator...Dr. Cook
- captainsniz
This time it can blow up on video!
- xero
A little TMI.
- Joe Leuzzi
I have a ball I use as a desk chair - not sure if it has helped or not. I'm always more sore after I use it.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
For sore glute muscles, the best massage tool is a tennis ball in an odd sock. Press against wall. Helped me, hope it does you!
- kiwinerd
Thanks for the update, Lance Armstrong.
- Adam
Did you mean to say that out loud?
- Yolanda
Bordering on more information than I wanted to know ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
and what did they used to be, prey tell?
- Michael Thom
from Alert Thingy
Uniball?
- mjc
Paging Valleywag...
- Mike Doeff
Leo living the good life.
- Ralph Whitbeck
That's what you get for having bad posture
- Margaret Kerr
from twhirl
then you can pop it live! I actually read in Men's Health it's not necessarily better for you to sit on one of those but that may not be true for everyone.
- Eric Truman
Who's glutes are the way they used to be Leo? Surely not ours! 8-)
- Darrell Holmquist
Post a still image sitting on your ball, and have a caption contest.
- Peter
How far ahead of the world are all of us? When I showed researchers at HP my live Qikking cell phone they couldn't believe it.
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Well, sites like Twitter still have about a year before true mainstream acceptance. Something like FriendFeed is probably 18 months or more from mainstream acceptance, and it would need more filtering capabilities to get there. Video on a mobile is probably a little closer, but not sure about the publishing aspect.
- Rob Diana
Rob: try again. Blogging still is barely mainstream and it's been out for 10 years now. Facebook just got to 110 million users. How many people in the world are there? Six billion? Funny how we consider things "mainstream."
- Robert Scoble
Well, if 110 million users isn't "mainstream", then yes, I will change my estimates :) I think twitter (or microblogging) will go mainstream soon because it is so simple, and IM-like. "Real" blogging requires too much work and thought, and that is probably why it took so long. That and the tools have not been around for the full 10 years. Not sure when things like LiveJournal and WordPress really came about.
- Rob Diana
LiveJournal was out in late 90s, I remember seeing it 2001 and I'm sure I wasn't early. WordPress came out shortly after that. Probably around 2003. Yeah, microblogging will probably be more popular than regular blogging. I'd agree with that, but it has a long way to go. Twitter has, what, a million or two users, not all of whom are active?
- Robert Scoble
What's amazing is it seems that you guys beat the mainstream by days, not hours- for example, Andreesen/Facebook
- Dino
LiveJournal, early 1990s? Try 1999, as late 1990s as it gets. ;o)
- Fraser Smith
Sorry, I meant early 2000's. I'll fix that.
- Robert Scoble
you are talking about heads down researchers from the nihs hp though robert :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
LiveJournal is huge in Russia, apparently. And the biggest search engine there is something called Yonex (useless info 4 the day alert)
- john conroy
For me, I've gotten used to think in terms of mainstream for techies and mainstream for the general public.
- Joey Lo
@Rob Diana - You're wrong - FriendFeed does not need more filtering to become mainstream. Mainstream users don't filter, they expect it to work and that's it. You're also wrong about FriendFeed becoming mainstream anytime soon. People don't use many services, therefore FF is useless for them. Not even blogging is mainstream, and probably won't ever at a scale like Facebook. Most people haven't got interesting things to tell.
- sebmos
I still find it amazing that people continue with Twitter (myself included) despite it's hilariously fragile state.
- Jonathan Beckett
I'm no techie, compared to some of the folks around FF anyway. I know "just enough to be dangerous," according to my wife's IT dept. But I rely on posts from folks like Scoble et al. to expand my knowledge of the tech world. FF is invaluable for that, but even though I signed up for it months ago, I didn't really start using it until the last 4-6 weeks. I think new sites and apps take a little getting used to, esp. if you're not really "out there" in terms of knowledge and know-how.
- Steve Lowe
steplow - like your comment, very reality based :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Interesting tweet Scoble. I wish I could get unlimited data here in Canada so I could Qik.
- Granteezy
This says more about the researchers being out of touch than it does about social media.
- Sam Pullara
I use my father and brother as 'touchstones' for mainstream. My dad, at 71 is an attorney who uses the computer for work only, doesn't regularly use email for personal reasons (but does for work) and can use the internet (he tracked down my twitter!) but doesn't see the need for it. My brother, at 44 is a judge who majored in CS & Psych in undergrad. He's a computer geek, but more into gaming than SocMed. They keep me from buying into the 'echo chamber' - yes, we are that far ahead.
- Lucretia Pruitt
The Fins sold us the phones. So maybe we're not that far ahead. :-)
- Dave Winer
I agree with Scoble,blogs, twitter, friendfeed, plurks won't be mainstream for a while. There is actual nothing in them that would give people a reason to hop on them in droves. E-mail yes, IM yes, static webpages, forums yes. And that's all.
- Roland Hesz
I asked a bunch of people I work with regularly about Friendfeed and 1 person knew what it was. I work in the web industry. Maybe I was asking the wrong people.
- Kate
Our focus is different. I don't know jack about sustainable architecture, for instance, but my friends who don't give a damn about blogs are all about green energy, sustainable city planning, etc. That's something that a lot of people on FriendFeed don't understand or care about. "Ahead" is a relative term. My dad is on FriendFeed, but he just sees it as another way to follow what I'm...
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- Steve Lynch
from Alert Thingy
I like what Steve Lynch replied, re. his friends/other people having a different focus, especially the bit re. his friends "who don't give a damn about blogs are all about green energy, sustainable city planning, etc. That's something that a lot of people on FriendFeed don't understand or care about. 'Ahead' is a relative term." I see that in my own communities of interest, where people are comfortable with forums (ew!), have made tentative forays into FB, but don't get blogs, much less Twitter, FF, etc.
- Yule Heibel
This discussion is a bit self-congratulatory, wouldn't you say? I would frame it a different way: how out of touch with the mainstream are we? The answer, of course, is very much so. Another question: are we out here on the cutting edge or just hunting snipe?
- Juan Aguilar
I doubt Twitter will ever go "mainstream" if we define mainstream as a majority of the people who are online via computers or cellphones. Blogs, wikis, RSS, none of that is mainstream. Browsing, email, SMS...those are mainstream.
- wrecks
now that it is mentioned, SMS reached mainstream pretty quick.
- Ruben Llibre
@Jua Aguilar Hunting snipe. It's not in any way a cutting edge. It's just a way to pass time.
- Roland Hesz
@wrecks: Good point. Maybe it would be better to talk about functionality rather than platforms, then. I'd say that social networking and IM are mainstream. I think real-time video on cellphones (for example) could go mainstream in a few years, but it wouldn't necessarily mean that "Qik" goes mainstream. I think wiki-like functionality will become more common... because it is very...
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- Steve Lynch
from Alert Thingy
Lots a of great points, regarding Robert's original post I think that online video is finally taking off in a big way thanks to YouTube and that speaks more to the mainstream than any of the social applications we use to create and share content and conversation. Live mobile video broadcasting is still relatively new but video chat with Skype seems to be reaching a mainstream audience thanks to Oprah using it on her show and recent New Earth web casts. How much does the generation gap play into this?
- Larry Kless
I just started work at fav.or.it, Nick is working to bring at least blog reading and following to the masses. but its hard work.
- Tim Hawkins
R U KIDDING ME!!!!! OMG no wonder HP is not in touch anymore..dang!
- Susan Beebe
mioNews Brings New Foldered Interface to FriendFeed - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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and now it seems to be down
- Pat Hawks
It got Louis Gray'd/Duncan Riley'd
- Bwana ☠
Maybe this should be on Google App Engine? :)
- Bwana ☠
It's too bad. This sounded like a cool idea
- Pat Hawks
Bwana, Louis is always first to the FF stuff, I just tag along for the ride :-) Which reminds me, why isn't this on Techmeme yet, I linked to Louis in the first paragraph?
- Duncan Riley
Pat, I've swapped some emails with Patrick (the guy behind it) apparently Louis and I drive a lot of traffic. What he doesn't realize is once Scoble posts this, he's in for serious trouble :-)
- Duncan Riley
@Duncan... maybe it's because Gabe was doing a Techmeme vanity search and caught your mentioning it, then doing a preemptive stop? :-) http://www.sitemeter.com/...
- Louis Gray
Frick, dude - TechMeme is starting to look like old media next to FriendFeed / Twitter.
- l0ckergn0me
What's Techmeme?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse The top tech stories of the information super highway!!
- Joe Dawson
Can't get it to work either ... too bad it looks great!
- Xavier Bartholome
I was just kidding, but seriously, FriendFeed may not have the traffic, but it certainly has more up-to-date information
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Welp, I got logged in, but it thinks I don't know my Twitter password
- Pat Hawks
I definitely want to try this.
- Phil G
Site is slow, getting a proxy error trying to load the FF feed.
- Mike Fruchter
Kind of stinks but, as early adopters, we have to be patient sometimes...
- Pat Hawks
Yeah nice looking interface but getting similar problem to Mike - Proxy errors and very slow
- David W
I wouldn't mind this as a desktop app. The "new" Outlook!
- Sarah Perez
+1 for turning it into an Air app. This is what Twhirl should look like!
- Pat Hawks
Mionews proves why API’s are a must - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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A big lesson we should be learning from the Twitter experience: Putting all our eggs in one basket is a bad idea. Twitter has too much power and it's just a corporation, with limited abilities and lots of interests that aren't aligned with those of users. The web is not like that. More in comments..
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What Twitter gave us is wonderful, but we should strive to re-create the experience outside, in the wilds of the web, where no one but the government controls what we do (that's bad enough). I see a lot of people rushing to FriendFeed to replace Twitter, I find myself wanting to do it too, but it has the same danger. It's not just about keeping the servers up. Centralization is inherently dangerous. Not saying we should do anything other than think and keep our eyes and ears open.
- Dave Winer
You can say limited abilities again.
- Andrew
as someone who's twitter account is currently entirely broke, and feels like she's been put on mute, I'd have to agree.
- Erin @queenofspain
I don't get why people put all of their messages into one service. I have most of my Tweets linked up through ping.fm that posts them to multiple services, not just twitter
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
chacha it's a time issue for me. twitter was the fastest and easiest. was looking at others, but didn't have the time, like a real early adopter might, to get into a bunch of other things.
- Erin @queenofspain
I agree. its annoying when you know about all these services, or might not know, and then if you don't have enough time to figure out if it is a waste of time or soemthing acctually useful, kind of just stops you from trying the beta stuff.
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
Erin, I think you're missing a bit of Chacha's point. While it's true that keeping up with every new service is difficult/impossible, Chacha was speaking more to the fact that services like ping.fm allow you to "spread your bets", so to speak. If you post at a site that posts to other sites for you, you can focus on the site you like, but still have a presence at others. That way, if you have to switch, you're not completely starting from scratch. There's still network disruption, but it's lessened.
- Ken Kennedy
Dave, "Centralization is inherently dangerous." tell that to the honey bee !! But seriously its not bad, if all users in utopia mode :)-. I believe that the expectations of society in and by itself needs to change. The greed for materials and money is the shortcoming of humanity. As you walk thru The Corridors of Time o you will certainly see that humanity comes together and then breaks down b'coz of ego and greed. Technology hives are no different. I agree, FF, Jaiku, Pownce all have the same dilemma !!
- Peter Dawson
I wonder whether it is not possible to establish an open format for microblogging and especially commenting. Subscription and specialized search engines should be enough to follow conversations. is that too naive?
- Heinz Wittenbrink
from twhirl
centralization is very bad. Vote Republican... we aren't for the single government corporation. Put your vote where your mouth is and don't support the brown shirt Palestine supporting National Socialists.
- Noah David Simon
if you think internet tyranny is bad for your comments... just wait for the reality tyranny to come knocking on your door. It is called Obama and it smacks of internationalist tyranny.
- Noah David Simon
Here is the funny part. All the Comments in Friend Feed are all in a Single Basket. I like the fact that FriendFeed Aggregates all of your content so that the acctually sharing is decentralized (You have a list of your shared stuff on Google Reader and Delicious, etc) But all of the comments you post up are completely on FriendFeed. Is that going to be the next step? Maybe allow all of your comments to be hosted on your blog and then aggregated?
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
If we allow "the government" to control what we (or corporations) do, there will never be a "bigger and better" version of Twitter.
- Craig Eddy
I'm sorry, but this is crap. One poorly designed application architecture isn't a call for large-scale revolt. Blah, blah, blah. I'm so beyond tired of the whining and bellyaching. If you have a better idea, then build it. If not, then quit complaining about it. It doesn't accomplish a thing to sit and bitch.
- Cyndy
Twitter down doesn't bother me much since I only use Twitter a few times per day, and I use it for different reasons and with a subset of people that don't -- and I suspect won't -- use FriendFeed. So, my messages are strung across services: friends from high school use MySpace; friends from university use Facebook; friends from India use Orkut; other friends use Twitter; strangers I talk to use FriendFeed; etc. That's why I scoff at the "email is dead" notions -- email doesn't feel fragmented to me.
- Kirk Kittell
Yeah, his brand of "IT" = "Internationalist Tyranny". Got that right.
- William, CPU Media
Well this really isn't a big revolt. It a bunch of people coming to realise that keeping all of your content in a single area prone to crashes is really a bad idea.
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
Chache -- that's exactly what I'm saying.
- Dave Winer
I wish I could string those services together...
- Kirk Kittell
@Kirk I doubt email will ever really be dead. Kind of like Postal Mail Today. Its the backbone communication system that you know is almost always reliable, aand for the most part private
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
BTW, since you use twhirl, I'd like to point out another way we can get safer. If our clients create an archive of everything you do, but not on Twitter or FriendFeed, that's a good way to: 1. Recover if the system you're using fails and 2. Encourage the development of parallel systems to do innovative stuff with our tweets and FFs, etc. If you think it's a good idea -- send Loic a message. He likes video messages, I hear. :-)
- Dave Winer
My last comment is a big one guys. If we can get users to ask Loic for this feature, I promise -- developers will be able to do cool stuff with it, and not just guys who can keep huge honkin servers running. You'll see an explosion of new creativity.
- Dave Winer
I'm always amazed when I read comments like this. Twitter is a free web service that no one forces you to use. The original premise was "What are you doing ?" so it was just a bit of fun. If you base your business/web presence/your indentity on Twitter then you are in trouble. A decently hosted website and email are the most important things for your activity on the web.
- Paul Nash
I hear ya Ken. I guess what I'm saying is I didn't know about Ping or others until well...now.
- Erin @queenofspain
"A decently hosted website and email are the most important things for your activity on the web." Yup. And make sure you have an office with a pretty receptionist. And take out some ads in the Yellow Pages and the local TV stations, too. And hang a shingle. ;-)
- Josh Bancroft
Dave has an important point regarding archiving (no matter how you define it). Tweets and FF shares and comments now contain interesting info and pointers to more of the same. So keeping a record of these could be important.
- Bill Anderson
from twhirl
"so keeping a record of these could be important. " - yeah google knows everything :)-
- Peter Dawson
I agree on the concept, definitely. Jon Udell has been evangelizing these concepts as well for awhile; a good overview here, called "Hosted Lifebits": http://blog.jonudell.net/2007...
- Ken Kennedy
@Paul Nash I understand your point but i still disagree. web 1.0 was about one person on an island sending out bottles via email lists. Web 2.0 is about a NET of networks intertwined and dependent on each other for communication. p2p is the backbone for today's successful technology and even though twitter is centralized, it also plays a huge part in a how to business model. the discussion here is amongst content publishers and we need twitter or something like it to function properly, imho
- Anthony Farrior
I'm not sure there was some huge downside to embracing Twitter. The conversation has moved to FF almost instantly given their reply problem over the past week. It seems to me that the zero switching cost of the interwebs is in full effect here.
- Jason Calacanis
Hey so what the hell? Peer to Peer twitter. let's code.
- bugtank@gmail.com
Silicon Valley Train Geeks: My former boss is giving a talk at railroad museum in Santa Clara: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event...
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Steve Sloan is an accomplished photographer and if you're really lucky someone will take you up to see one of the first computers that ever existed in Silicon Valley. It's an interlocking machine that sits in the Santa Clara railyard. Its algorithms are mechanical. You pull out a slide and it tells the yard "if this rail is open, then don't let anyone on this other rail." It's something that every geek should see as it's the real beginnings of the computer age. Plus, right under that machine now is a fiber optic line that goes to Santa Clara University. Ahh, history.
- Robert Scoble
Bandwidth Caps and The Cognitive SurplusNetwork Performance Blog, Network Performance Management News, Tutorials, Resources - Network Performance Blog - http://www.networkperformancedaily.com/2008...
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Turns out download caps aren't really about bandwidth, they're about getting you back to watching TV. A compelling argument!
- Leo Laporte
"A bandwidth cap limits the amount of free time that can be spent on the Internet, leaving people once again, with a surplus of free time." So TW is contributing to our quality of life. Nice spin.
- jcunwired
Really it just means I waste more time online while I wait for my download. Ironically, most of my big downloads are to watch TV (sans commercials, natch)
- Paul Reynolds
I swear I hate this country's telecommunications! We are almost 40th in the world and going BACKWARDS! All because big media want to keep making their buggy whips. Here's the clue bat: Record companies, movie studios and television studios are extinct dinosaurs. Media comes from small individual groups and is distributed free globally over the internet. It should be a regulated public utility and we should strive to have the best delivery system in the world for every American. Gigabit/$40 a month.
- Adam Turetzky
@Adam There's several billions dollars a year and several billion movie goers and CD purchasers per year that say big media is not dead. I doubt it will ever die, might get smaller so quality matters more, but not die. Though the USA telecommunications companies are money vampires. AT&T and Comcast especially so.
- xero
@xero but it's ending. I work at a college. I observe the 19-22 year olds. They live on the web. They don't have TV's. They don't have DVD players. They don't have stereos and they don't buy newspapers. They have laptop computers, iPods and cell phones. They watch TV on the web, they listen to music on the web and they read and talk on the web. In 5-10 years they'll be running the show. Metered Internet?
- Adam Turetzky
I want to like Adam Turetzky's insightful comments here -- dead on.
- Sean McBride
@Adam But they still go to the movies and rent movies and purchase music. They may not go to a physical location to do those things (minus going to movie theaters), but they still do them. All of my friends still in college and recently hitting college still have TVs and DVD players, though some are starting to have their huge desktop monitor double as their TV. I watch TV on the web, but I still use a nice big TV to watch movies and listen to music on various sources. Big media won't die, just evolve.
- xero
I don't watch live TV at home anymore, unless it's sports. Even then, it's buffered in the DVR so I can skip through the commercials. Aliens could land, and I would be too busy leading the resistance to watch FOX News tell us the aliens are 'soft on crime' but 'good for the economy'.
- Bill Sodeman
from fftogo
Adam is dead on... I'm a professor, and I haven't had a newspaper subscription since 1996. I've got Google News and RSS. If the telecoms want to do us a favor, sell us exercise bikes that power our cable modems and routers. The more calories you burn, the more pipe you get! Make Fat America sweat for its bandwidth! :)
- Bill Sodeman
from fftogo
Sounds like if they will be running the show, they will know exactly what to charge for :)
- Sam Pullara
Which begs the question: what will we see from the new companies not entrenched in decades-old business models, who have a vested interest in people not zoning out in front of the TV? That makes me excited to see what we get from the companies who use ISP bandwidth caps as an opportunity to steal away customers by offering new, better unlimited services.
- Tom Harrison
@theRealDvorak and I are on the latest Disciplined Investor podcast. http://www.thedisciplinedinvestor.com/blog...
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if you search for google logo today, well, the images might surprise you http://searchengineland.com/080612-...
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Looks like it's already been removed, LOL.
- Joel Gray
Funny...
- Daniel Schildt
Thems some big O's
- Andy Roth
I can still see it... albeit in third position.
- Philipp Lenssen
It hasn't been removed, lol.
- Aaron Myers
as of 9:37A CST it is still listed on first page of results
- Keith - @tsudo
from twhirl
psst...please say something like might not be SFW
- judithsweet
<-- thankful that no one at his work has a cow about what pops up on his monitor
- Adam Lasnik
ha. especially when someone across the aisle might be *responsible* for what pops up on his monitor... :)
- Erik Dafforn
so funny...nice find
- Corey Hammond
And Social Media Club is the winner of first Social Media FriendFeed room to make a custom icon! Congratulations, speech! speech!
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we humbly accept being able to observe the obvious opportunity and avail ourselves of it :)
- Kristie Wells
Toluu has gotten even better - http://nerdflood.com/2008...
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Would really be interested in an Toluu invite. Will pay with comment love :) mortensaxnaes@hotmail.com
- morten saxnaes
Sent invite, Morten!
- Phil G
any more invites floating around? :D
- Phil Crissman
The optimist in me wants to believe Louis shared this because it's a well-written post from my blog, not because it's about Toluu. However, the cynic in me understands that this isn't the case. ;)
- Nathaniel Payne
I'd like an invite as well. laurent1056@gmail.com
- Laurent Courtines
from twhirl
What is Toluu?
- Mike Wills
Thank you! @scott
- Laurent Courtines
from twhirl
Would love a Toluu invite if theres one about :)
- Riaz Kanani
Morten, et al - would you return the favor and share a Toluu invite? barry at graubart dot com. Thx
- Barry Graubart
Riaz: If you leave your email I can get you one
- Caleb Elston
Barry: Sending invite now :)
- Caleb Elston
@scott Thanks!
- Phil Crissman
Thanks! riaz@razorshine.com :)
- Riaz Kanani
Riaz: Sending now
- Caleb Elston
Thanks Caleb - got it! :)
- Riaz Kanani
Must get round to giving it a proper try!
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
can i get an invite? thanks
- Samuel Bostock
email address sambostockyahoo.co.uk
- Samuel Bostock
Nathaniel, you're too sensitive. Maybe it's both? :-) (And Samuel is invited)
- Louis Gray
There's only one wish I have for Toluu... that I could hook it up to the Firefox Feed icon in the address bar... I really don't like having my Links toolbar open (I'm on a tablet pc with limited real estate, so I keep my toolbars hidden). Since I've got Google Reader hooked up to that subscribe icon, it's just way too easy to bypass Toluu, as much as I really would like to go through there for the cool discovery that's available there!
- Kenneth LeFebvre
ok so many talking about it, I'd love to try it if someone could spare an invite, andrewinwhistler (at) gmail.com -Thanks :)
- Andrew Smith
I'll send you one, Andrew... sent
- Kenneth LeFebvre
Cheers Kenneth! thanks
- Andrew Smith
Kenneth: Are you using a special firefox add-on to get that functionality? We would certainly be interested in making it easier to subscribe via the native Firefox UI elements.
- Caleb Elston
Dan: If you leave your email we will get you an invite right away
- Caleb Elston
Caleb: dnimtz at gmail Thanks in advance!
- Dan Nimtz
Caleb: I'm pretty sure it's built-in. http://kenneth.lefebvre.us/...
- Kenneth LeFebvre
Dan: Just sent!
- Caleb Elston
@Kenneth: I use the same thing - best part is, just use the Toluu bookmarklet and set Google Reader as your feed reader in Toluu. Then, when you want to add a blog feed, just click the bookmarklet. It will save the feed in Toluu, then automagically jump you to the standard Firefox GReader feed add prompt. Easy as cake (mmmmmm, cake).
- Nathaniel Payne
Can I get an invite as well? Really interested in testing this out. Thanks in advance! winston[at]wego.com
- Winston Teo
Winston: Sent!
- Caleb Elston
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