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Great discussion of legal issues surrounding publishing of confidential Twitter documents. Thanks John Furrier for sharing this. - http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog...
Anne Bouey, John E. Bredehoft, Susan Beebe and 42 other people liked this
Whether it was illegal or not, certainly publishing the documents rec'd from a hacker was unethical.
- malackey
Would we see the docs if Arrington had put angel $$ into Twitter?
- Dave Hodson
malackey, that depends on the situation, wouldn't it be ethical to post something of grave public concern regardless of the source?
- Mike Chelen
malackey: journalists publish stuff gotten through illicit means all the time. Did you read the article? You'll notice that in the legal issues Techcrunch wasn't mentioned once. Lots of stuff journalists do is questionable. In journalism school we were taught to bias toward "publish the info."
- Robert Scoble
Must say that I did think it was not right for Techcrunch to reveal those docs yesterday, but I did not take it all that seriously. I did think that Twitter should have been careful about security since they were getting so much press. After reviewing the legal discussion, I think this should be a concern for all moving forward.
- courtney benson
Courtney: that's why I published it, just so someone could see a good discussion of the legal issues at hand here.
- Robert Scoble
Man see I was all sorts of geared up for some seriously *Popcorn* shit and they break the super secret news.....hold breath......financial data......who the f cares. 2013 estimates seriously? Hold on let me get my crayons out and make up a number it should be about as accurate. It was inappropriate to "leak" these docs simply because they had no societal benefit. If it had been blowing...
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- Geoff Schultz
If we can agree that TechCrunch = The National Enquirer (a gossip rag delivered via blogs) then we can agree that Arrington is a journalist. Then your argument is valid.
- jcunwired
Geoff: sorry, Twitter's business strategy is of a pretty sizeable community concern. Lots of developers I know are trying to decide whether to spend resources developing for Twitter. Knowing where Twitter is going, or expecting to go, will have an impact there.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired: TechCrunch breaks more news stories about the tech industry than any other tech blog I know. Yes, Arrington does have a nose for the sensational, but that's demanded in today's real time world where getting attention is damn difficult. It's one reason why I don't try to do much tech news anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry Robert I don't see any moral or ethical high ground in that argument that makes the case for these being important enought o leak'
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: that's fair. I do. But then I went to journalism school and we were taught to publish information, even stuff that was gotten through questionable means, and not hold back when it comes across our desk. Even stuff that pisses off our readers.
- Robert Scoble
Hmm, like those breaking stories "______ offered $X billion for Twitter"? Gossip. Every once in awhile they guess correctly, I will give you that, but the vast majority of published material is opinion, its not news.
- jcunwired
Robert, the question malackey raised was what difference exists between legality and ethics. are the arguments the same for both?
- Mike Chelen
jcunwired: those are the TechCrunch stories you remember. I'm a more careful reader than that. 90% of TechCrunch is straight up news reporting on new companies coming out with new stuff. But that stuff is, admittedly, boring so we remember the fun stories that get on TechMeme.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: no. The legal world exists in a completely separate world from our human one. If you think they are the same you'll make poor legal decisions.
- Robert Scoble
Scobles has a point, people should be aware of what they do when they get confidential info. just becuase it's in your email does not mean "its fair game" as per Mike A !! . Remember its criminal (In most places) to accept such "collateral" that has been obtained by unfair means, this means 'stolen'. I am pretty sure that the true colors of TC are now coming too light and off course the...
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- Peter Dawson
Peter: that is NOT true when it comes to journalists. If you read the article I linked to above, you'd see that journalism is judged differently than if you were to, say, receive a stolen TV.
- Robert Scoble
I think, as Malackey points out, the key issue issue is the definition of "issues of public concern." I don't think Twitter's popularity makes it a de facto matter of public concern. And TechCrunch and other blogs that traffic in info that they know to be stolen are simply encouraging hackers to do it again.
- Kevin Pedraja
Scoble - were you an advocate of publishing all the emails stolen from Sarah Palin's acct that was hacked? I don't see how the Twitter docs are any different.
- Dave Hodson
Peter: when startups approach TechMeme they only care about one thing: the size and influence of TechCrunch's audience. If that goes down, then they'll be approached less often by companies.
- Robert Scoble
Dave: I didn't have an opinion on Sarah Palin and don't know the facts of her case. I care about the tech industry, not the political one.
- Robert Scoble
Cheap dodge, Robert. You really don't have an interest in the son of a TN congressman phishing into Palin's Yahoo mail account that she used for state business and then leaking it? It's a good parallel.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
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I think mostly I am annoyed because the data was boring. :(
- Geoff Schultz
But, Dave, my bias is to publish information. If you are a journalist that's your bias. You have to have a damn good reason not to publish information that comes into your hands. Why? More in next comment...
- Robert Scoble
Here's the link http://www.knoxnews.com/news...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: I would use the methodology discussed in the article above to decide whether to publish information. Does it serve a public good?
- Robert Scoble
Outside of giving info to a relatively small group of people (developers) what "public good" did the disclosures serve?
- Kevin Pedraja
So, what's really funny is lots of people are bashing TechCrunch, but TechCrunch was NOT the first to publish the info. The French guy was. And I saw lots of TechCrunch competitors like Business Insider linking to that guy. THAT is why you should publish when info comes across your desk.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - same deal. Hacked account, info people care about. By your logic, they should have been published.
- Dave Hodson
Kevin: seems to me that falls into "public good." If only one of you is helped by my publishing of information, that seems to me to be a "public good."
- Robert Scoble
Just because the someone else does something, doesnt mean its right to do it Robert...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Robert, if you read the article it also sez "I'm not sure how the First Amendment would impact a possible prosecution for receipt of stolen property because it is receipt of stolen material, not publication, which is criminalized" !! and pls dont tell me that Mike A was NOT in receipt of Stolen material ?? Come on.. deepthoarting does not get one far !!
- Peter Dawson
Dave: again, if you are a journalist, you will bias toward publishing information.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: right and wrong are political issues between humans. Not legal ones. It's why journalists often are not liked.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: if you worry about whether you will be liked you won't make a good journalist. It's why I don't generally do news. I care too much whether you like me or not.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, if I steal a car and give it to you, will you park it on your property ? Yes/no ? If its NO, then why would any1 do the same for stolen documents !
- Peter Dawson
Peter: again, stealing a car is DIFFERENT than stealing information for journalistic purposes. This is covered VERY CLEARLY in the legal argument above.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: stay on topic. Being a journalist means you are judged under different societal and legal rules than if you are a car thief. I know this is hard for some people to understand.
- Robert Scoble
Robert , stealing is stealing !! If you saying different , then your an arse for saying it !
- Peter Dawson
Peter: no it isn't. Sorry. Under First Amendment stealing is NOT stealing if it serves the public good.
- Robert Scoble
I'm amazed at how much discussion this is generating given that the documents published thus far are pretty benign. An out of date financial projection and a pitch for a Twitter TV show? zzzz...
- Bill Kinney
That is a BIG "if" by the way and not one I'm comfortable with in the case of the Twitter documents.
- Robert Scoble
Bill: I don't think the argument we're having is really about the Twitter documents. It's about the First Amendment and the role of journalism in our society.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this is good convo, yes were a grad as journalist and are working in the new media stream of life.. but something stolen is something stolen.. and when you know its stolen the questions remains what are your actions. The defination of being a good person is doing the right thing even if no one is watching !
- Peter Dawson
Peter, did you steal that line ;)
- Micah Wittman
Peter: sorry, there are two conflicting legal problems with theft of information for purposes of conducting journalism. That's what you aren't getting. Theft of a car is clear. Theft of information is not. First Amendment wins in many of those cases and causes the theft to be disregarded.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: define "right." Some people define right as having a religiously-run government like that in Iran. That's wrong to me.
- Robert Scoble
I'd rather just discuss the LEGAL issues because if we get into wrong or right then we're all screwed.
- Robert Scoble
And here in the USA the legal issue is that stealing information for publishing is not considered theft if there's an overriding public good. The First Amendment comes first and wipes out other concerns.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, agreeded !! " See Mary T. Jean v. Massachusetts State Police, 492 F.3d 24 (1st Cir. 2007) (First Amendment barred criminal prosecution for posting illegally recorded [..]". The second part is that it was published due to 'public concern" and you/TC say Twitter info is a public concern. However, how are you defining public concern ? Twitter employees/ Biz etc are part of the public too and are very concerned about the publication of such notes !
- Peter Dawson
Peter: when you have conflict between two parties (the public good, and Twitter's employees concern of publication) then it gets muddy. That's why we have courts and lawyers. The publisher has to argue that publishing of the information served a bigger good than keeping them private. Deciding that in this case is pretty difficult but is probably why we haven't seen many of the 300+ pages of information supposedly that was sent around.
- Robert Scoble
Robert " the 300+ pages of information supposedly " - I would like to say "perpetrated" as being around.. fwiw..it could just be 7 pages and the rest is just fluff !
- Peter Dawson
Peter: I haven't seen the zip file, so I have no idea.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, neither have I and/or any1 else.. welcome to the club of new media ..and miss-infomation tactics !!
- Peter Dawson
Peter: that's why I would rather just discuss the legal implications of publishing such material in the future. It's a good thing for bloggers to think about the law, before they get stuck in a courtroom with $100,000 of legal bills.
- Robert Scoble
Tis a good discussion indeed. I'm also really interested in the security ramifications....
- Bill Kinney
Bill, DNS routing / posioning is an old technique.. shame on Twitter for mismanging their properties.
- Peter Dawson
More from Arrington - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Dave Hodson
@Scoble - I don't see how you can defend what Arrington just published
- Dave Hodson
Dave: I don't know what Arrington just published, I'm off to see.
- Robert Scoble
@Prasoon, the Leak was on a french site, long before TC pub'ed his info !!
- Peter Dawson
@Peter - check out what TC just put out. Way more than the French site
- Dave Hodson
I think what might be stake here is ethical integrity. Yes, but that is (as Scoble says) not what would bother a journalist. Journalist's don't care if people like them.
- Kevin Costain
interesting to note " Erick Schonfeld" actually has pub'ed this and not Mike A.. why ??
- Peter Dawson
Mike's probably recharging his batteries in his basement lair.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Wow, well, what Arrington just signaled to the world is that if information comes into his hands he will publish. I guess he also got Twitter's buy in. Good stuff.
- Robert Scoble
I wouldn't exactly call it buy in. Twitter has no say in the matter whatsoever, that's been made apparent.
- jcunwired
Legally, I would think TC or any other journalist that would have done the same in this situation, is in the clear. Since the information is internal corporate communication, it could definitely run into espionage concerns. Who would benefit from knowing Twitter's internal plans? The public? I hardly think that's of concern to anybody, and it's not like there's any grave public concern...
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- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Robert, yes he must have got twitter buyin and better pub';ed from aknown devil then an unknown devil :)- But I will still like to see what Twitter has to say about this latest release and if was blessed !
- Peter Dawson
I would say its probably just about money. How much money is Techcruch going to make off publishing these documents? Is there a link between the thief and Techcrunch? Is Twitter about to sue - likely not if they approved these docs - but maybe? Is Twitter going to pay Techcrunch to stop publishing? Will Twitter's business be effected by the leak? I'm sure if there is justice for the the theft of information not intended to be public - they'll follow the money..
- Kevin Costain
These leaks definitely air out a lot of Twitter's short-term business strategy but it's really just confirmation of rumors rather than any revelations.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Techcruch do have some good material, but with how they obtain Twitter material, very questionable, I don't even know they done it for money at all. I think they r doing it for hyping their name, Techcrunch. It won't stop me from reading them.
- polou/indigo_bow
I think it's pretty clear that TC did what any journalistic effort would do. That's a no brainer. And receipt of leaked information is not remotely the same a stolen goods. The 1st Amendment issue TC encounters isn't at all related to publication. That's protected and well within rights. Whether or not to disclose the source is an oft-tested question and the real test of journalistic...
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- Ken Camp
I still don't think that twitter would co-OPERATE with Techcruch, very smelly fishy. Techcruch with law enforcement, ?
- polou/indigo_bow
I wonder if those up in arms about the situation would be so agitated if it was some other company other then Techcrunch who received the information. I think that Techcrunch had every right to publish the documents. People, leak company information all the time to newspaper and magazine that they aren't suppose to, just because the stuff wasn't written down doesn't mean its any more legal. I wrote a short blog post at http://musingandgadgets.squarespace.com on what I thought of the situation.
- Kim Landwehr
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- Sam Mbale
Of note: @ev says "@TechCrunch @arrington "we have been given the green light by Twitter to post this information" What?! By whom? That's not our understanding"
- Kevin Costain
Link to Kevin's source: http://friendfeed.com/evhead...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
If the documents contained info on how twitter were involved in global terrorism, money laundering or some heinous activity like then fine, publishing would be in everyone's interest. But publishing the documents that were about company strategy, employees diaries and so on is patently not in the public interest and should be treated accordingly. It seems like 'Arrington published because he could. A decent person would've simply returned the documents to the rightful owner.
- Paul Nash
Paul, why would the company strategy fall into the same category as employee diaries? one may have significant public interest, while the other is of little importance outside certain individuals.
- Mike Chelen
Mike my point was that the documents were all private and not in the public interest. If someone had broken into twitter's offices and stolen paper documents, surely that would be seen as a crime. Because they were stolen electronically then the attitude seems to be they are fair game
- Paul Nash
Paul, the legality of the theft is not at question, breach of computer systems is as surely a crime as physical access. a newspaper may still publish stolen documents if they are important, what is the basis for determining that none of these are in the public interest?
- Mike Chelen
Question - how would the issues change (if at all) if Twitter were a publicly-traded company (like Apple)? If Twitter were public, then certain disclosures would fall under the domain of the Securities & Exchange Commission. Much of the debate regarding Steve Jobs' health has to do with its potential impact on Apple's stock price. Or, to put it another way - if Ev and Biz visit a yogurt shop, would anyone care?
- John E. Bredehoft
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