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Our Team | World Association of Young Scientists - http://www.ways.org/en...
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"Daniel Mietchen - Open Science Policy Director" Congrats, Daniel!
- Mr. Gunn
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FeedZero.com - bayesian filtering for RSS feeds - http://www.feedzero.com/Home...
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Tags: webtools Posted by: cwhooker
- Bill Hooker
Worth noting I guess that someone who probably knows what he's talking about (but who also has some conflicts of interest, so they asked to not be named) said they kicked the tires and weren't impressed.
- Mr. Gunn
A tech question -- is anyone using web-based file storage? If so, what company would you recommend as host?
Alexey, Yaroslav Nikolaev, Iddo Friedberg and 5 other people liked this
How big of files are you thinking about?
- Holly Rae, FFer
Hell yes. For me, photos -> flickr, audio -> divshare, video -> youtube/vimeo, PDF's -> Mendeley/scribd and google docs for various other bits 'n bobs.
- Graham Steel
SlideShare, SciVee (vids), Scribd (pdfs), Flickr, YouTube, lots of GoogleDocs and Wikispaces will take up to 10Meg misc files
- Jean-Claude Bradley
favorites are dropbox (good file sync) box.net (webdav standard support) drop.io (quick, easy) and wuala (free limit is high). specialized storage by file type such as flickr for images or gdocs for docs is also a good option, and there are some utilities that can help synchronize with these services
- Mike Chelen
Google docs for documents, Mozy for backup, dropbox for sync across computers
- Pedro Beltrao
Junlgedisk for archival, dropbox for "hot" content.
- Deepak Singh
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Jungle disk for big files, documents etc. I also use google docs and dropbox for convenience.
- ashish
Ooh - dropbox seems rather handy. Thanks. On Desktop now.....
- Graham Steel
Gspace? https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-PT...
- ovigia
Any specific suggestions for podcasts/sharing?
- Allan Besselink
I use ADrive for pretty much everything. If sharing, will host things on Slideshare, Scribd, Flickr, YouTube, etc. But if it is just for me ... ADrive. Free accounts get something like 50 GB. Podcasts get hosted with Archive.org.
- Miss Elle
Allan, I use vanilla S3 for all my podcasts in combination with Cloudfront for edge delivery.
- Deepak Singh
Dropbox for a collaborative document share. Wiggio.com for inter-institutional share and collaboration tool. I belong to a group that uses a pogoplug, too, which has been a boon (the trick is where to host it).
- Jason Miller
JungleDisk on the Mac - off-site backups of docs + family photos
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Also a Jungle Disk user -- have a workgroup account with all partners and customers having partitions. Use it for backup, transfer of large files (audio, video, lesson packages) to and from internal people and customers.
- Brian Sullivan
Dropbox for keeping the contents of a directory sync'd across computers & sharing private pics, Flickr for public pics, slideshare from PPTs and Mendeley for docs.
- Mr. Gunn
if i see one more conference presentation titled "herding cats" i might have to start a riot.
John (a.k.a. dendroica), Anika, Kirsten and 3 other people liked this
YES. Let's just ban that phrase.
- Steve is older than ever
Shouldn't it be something about Clowdering anyway?
- Abigail
can we go ahead and also ban the word, "wrangling" from presentation titles, please?
- Marie is organized.
Herding cats is easy...just starve them and then they'll go to wherever you put the food.
- Alex Scoble
getting folks to stop using that title will be like herding cats
- marthalib
+1 marthalib!
- Marie is organized.
one of these days, Martha; ONE OF THESE DAYS!
- Steve is older than ever
Alex FTW!
- Mr. Gunn
hangingtogether.org » Blog Archive » Academic Library Manifesto - http://hangingtogether.org/...
"Support for the Research Process: An Academic Library Manifesto (PDF) was just released by the RLG Partnership Research Information Management Roadmap Working Group."
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WAYS@WSF2k9 | World Association of Young Scientists - http://ways.org/en/wayswsf2k9
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Interesting. This was bound to happen eventually. It's "Friendfeed for scientists", except that it's a little cluttered and hard to find your way around.
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amednews: Journal editors propose detailed disclosure form for authors :: Nov. 9, 2009 ... American Medical News - http://www.ama-assn.org/amednew...
It used to be that conversation only happened in face-to-face interaction or phone calls, while printed and published work was slower and more serious. Rarely did someone preface their conversations with (disclaimer, I think this because ...) because it was just a conversation, there wasn't a high degree of formality about it. It made complete sense to ask someone to disclose their conflicts before publishing a serious print article because it was a formal statement that would last and be seen by others than the immediate parties to the conversation. Now we've got both fast, conversational material existing right along side longer, more serious stuff, and they're all just as permanent and just as discoverable, so the framework they propose just sounds a little dated to me. Perhaps what we need is a new set of default assumptions?
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I need some feedback/career advice.
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Many of you know I've been working with Mendeley as a sort of ambassador/community liaison. I started this because I've always felt a little shut out from contributing to open science/open access/open data because I don't work for a publisher, don't really write code, and wasn't in a job where I could openly share data. This was a way to influence how things develop by promoting the people who "get it".
- Mr. Gunn
I had to quit for the "real job" a little while back and found not only that I had more time to work for Mendeley, but that I started getting other offers/opportunities also.
- Mr. Gunn
Now I've got a newborn daughter and am liking the time I can spend at home with her, which raises the following conundrum: Can I do more of this community liaison work for companies that support/promote open access and put my research career on hold, or is there not any future in this?
- Mr. Gunn
Can I trust the friends and colleagues I've met on here to be able to have a real discussion with me, keep me honest, and tell me if I'm backing the wrong horse as I take on more clients, or would I be considered a sell-out? Would people believe that my opinions still come from me and my experiences, or would people just think "You're only saying/supporting that because they're paying...
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- Mr. Gunn
Do you think there's room to grow in this kind of role or am I just wishfully thinking that I can make my own job in this tough economy and get to spend time with my daughter too?
- Mr. Gunn
I really believe this is a way I can contribute to changing how science is being done, opening up the process, disintermediating scientific discovery, and all those noble sounding things, but do you buy it, or do you think I'll not only become corrupted by money but lose my relevance because I'm not really doing science anymore?
- Mr. Gunn
Can I help companies that don't quite get it to improve and become better and more responsive to their community of users or will I lose touch?
- Mr. Gunn
I will be saying nothing works better than inspiring people by setting examples, I will not go with holding my research career even it is not working well as long as I have passion for discovering something. But there are certain realities and money is one of them. Ambassador/community liaisoning is other way to contribute back to the science, but it will be too early to give up your...
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- Abhishek Tiwari
Mr. Gunn. You can absolutely do so, but as you note, you cannot do this with one client. It will have to be a consulting/pundit role (you should probably have a chat with Paul Miller at some point http://cloudofdata.com). The life science industry will be challenging given the limited opportunities, and in this economy, this will not be a walk in the park. As to whether you have to be...
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- Deepak Singh
And we'll tell you if you're being an idiot. It also depends on what you really want to earn. You're not going to get rich doing this, at least not quickly.
- Deepak Singh
Abhishek, I could cite all the times when I've recommended Papers or Zotero instead because it really was better for what the person was looking for as evidence that I don't always have to say what the official line is, but that wouldn't illustrate all the discussions I've had where the company point of view _became_ my point of view. This is exactly the kind of discussion I want to be...
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- Mr. Gunn
Thanks Deepak. I know you will, and I'm not looking to get rich. I'm looking to do work for people I believe it, be a force for good, and at least for the moment, spend more time at home with my daughter.
- Mr. Gunn
Mr. Gunn, it will only taint it if you let it, although there will people who'll always be skeptical. As long as you are honest and present your point of view rationally, you'll be fine
- Deepak Singh
I'd like to think that being open and transparent online helps illustrate my biases, too.
- Mr. Gunn
Way outside my area of expertise, but I would think the "consulting/pundit" thing that Deepak mentions would involve lots of travel, especially to start. Not sure how conducive that is to spending more time at home...
- Andrew Su
Andrew, missed that bit. There would be a fair bit of travel
- Deepak Singh
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Tough call MrG. I'm not concerned about you selling out, plus I will call you out if I think you are sliding into that trap (as, I'm sure, will the rest of the FF posse). My larger concern would be whether you can make a living that way. Is there a more regular (but part-time) gig that you could get to buffer the difficulties of forging a new path? For instance, do you write easily and...
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- Bill Hooker
Having a part-time gig would allow you more freedom to take risks and experiment, and could be phased out as and when your liaison/consulting work grew.
- Bill Hooker
Bill, that's a really great idea. My current commitments are only part-time, so having something more steady would both help the bottom line and insulate me from selling-out criticism - "I don't need to do this." Please, put me in touch.
- Mr. Gunn
the ultimate evidence for or against bias is behavior, would such a position restrict or inhibit assuming a critical perspective?
- Mike Chelen
What fun would that be, Mike? I just wanted to do a sanity check against my friends and colleagues here to make sure that at least some of them would promise to call me out if I started to not make any sense or drift away from the principles of openness this community takes as a fundamental principle.
- Mr. Gunn
Interesting situation! My take is that people who have no history of interaction with you, will not spend a lot of time looking you up online. As soon as they know you're being paid to do this, you'll be a sales rep - which means there isn't even any need to look you up, they already know who/what you are. Thus, IMHO, no online history will get you out of the sales rep box.
- Björn Brembs
I agree with Bill's suggestion, and also his non-worry about bias. Or rather, we're all biased, but you don't come across as a sell-out company mouthpiece to those who know you, so you can let that slide. Bjorn isn't tender, but he's right. Either way, you won't change it by adding on more opportunities to be a facilitator. And forging your own path to be more with your family - having been there, I would say you won't regret it later. One always has career regrets, but that's because we only have one life.
- Heather
Mr. Gunn. A full time liaison for a company will effectively make you sort of a sales rep. I have been a sales rep myself - which was a valuable learning experience, but I suspect, like me, not one you would fit comfortable into for a longer period of time (several years). When I left university, my friends and colleagues told me that I had a time-limit of 1-2 years to get back into...
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- Nils Reinton
Thanks, Nils, Heather, Björn. My intent is not to work full-time for a specific company, and I'm not doing that now. My intent is also to talk more about ideas and trends and less about specific products. Although I do spend a fair amount of time recommending Mendeley, I think Zotero shares their mission and I just personally prefer Mendeley. I used Zotero to write my first paper and it came down to me just wanting a desktop, full-screen app instead of their browser add on.
- Mr. Gunn
Björn - We all have our various reasons to believe what we do and say what we do. In my role, I'm not being paid to say anything or to have a certain opinion. In fact, I think where I disagree with the Mendeley guys is more valuable to them than where I agree, because what they're basically paying me for is my insights as a scientist who knows the field and keeps current with...
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- Mr. Gunn
I know I can't speak for anyone, and I'm not appointing myself spokesperson, but if I spend a lot of time listening to, talking about, and synthesizing ideas, and I can also effectively market those ideas to people who need to hear them (that is, companies who want to listen and adapt), isn't that a win? Couldn't that be my way to make a positive contribution to open access and linked data and personalized medicine and these causes that I already believe passionately in?
- Mr. Gunn
After three rounds of referee comments and subsequent manuscript revision I get the comment: "we would like you to argue around the concept "you only find what you look for" in the discussion and conclusion". WTF, - in a scientific paper !!! What does that even mean ? Anyone have any ideas on how to respond to this ?
who's asking you to do this? the editors? as for what it means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... – but that wouldn't be a positive thing to put in a paper. I don't know what your findings are, but perhaps you can argue "you only find what your method of detection could possibly find" like in the different methods of looking for protein complexes http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi...
- Michael Kuhn
Yes, it's the editors and the paper is a straightforward summary of prevalence of a Chlamydia trachomatis variant (nvC trachomatis). We were only looking for nvC and we found nvC. Finding specifically what we are looking for is kind of a cornerstone in diagnostics (specificity) as opposed to basic research, where you might want to find anything and everything. Nevertheless, like you say...
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- Nils Reinton
how about this pattern: "There are other mechanisms to cause X, for example, A, B, and C [REF]. However, our findings explain XX% of all cases and thus show that Y is an important mechanism in the etiology of X."
- Michael Kuhn
That would be ok if there were other "mechanisms to cause X", but here "X" is the presence of this bacteria. Our method is not in dispute, nor is the quality of that method, presumably then, it's agreed upon that our method explains 100% of the cases, and I still do not understand what the editors want from us. I would if this was a question of the specificity or sensitivity of the method, but even then the statement would make little sense to me.
- Nils Reinton
Nils, remember that reviewers comments, even editors, don't have to make sense. It sounds to me like they're trying to suggest that they wanted some discussion of sensitivity and specificity, so put that in there and say something like "Detection of other analytes, while of significant diagnostic utility, is beyond the scope of this method."
- Mr. Gunn
Mr Gunn FTW. I will just add that I have found some editors to be very responsive to questions like "what the fuck do you mean by this?" -- it might save you some time to ask them directly for a clarification. (Also that I am not in favour of jumping through meaningless hoops to satisfy an editor who *won't* give a reason for his/her requests. There are plenty of journals out there.)
- Bill Hooker
Thank you all for valuable advice. I will end up doing a combination of all of the above. I already sent an e-mail reply to ask for clarification, but have also started working in changes such as those suggested by Michael and Mr. dr. Gunn. This is for a national journal which was chosen to reach our clients as effectively as possible, - and it's open access :-) Collaborative studies on...
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- Nils Reinton
Has anyone played with http://feedzero.com ? I'm currently training my set of feeds, and haven't quite got to where the recommendations make up for the web-only interface. Friendfeed still beats it.
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intriguing, what feeds do you put in there? I'm trying with TOCs of journals. How do you compare FF with feedzero? Didn't know FF had bayesian or other algorithmic filters.
- aarontay
FF doesn't have bayesian filters. They do use a ranking for their "best of day" feature, but it mostly comes from user activity, so the comparison is between purely algorithmic rank and social filtering. So far, social filtering FTW!
- Mr. Gunn
As far as what feeds I'm putting in, I just uploaded my whole OPML file. Took some time to sync, but works pretty well.
- Mr. Gunn
Well social filtering is great if it's things people are reading, but with Tocs of journals, doubtful FF can help you filter.
- aarontay
I'm not using bayesian filters for my "normal" rss blog feeds, think social filtering will work better, but for tocs of journals, where i'm looking for articles in my research area, i dont know any peers in this area, so bayesian filter is the only alternative
- aarontay
But it can! If my contacts are reading the same journals I am, and feeding in here things they're bookmarked using a bookmarking service, it brings those things to my attention.
- Mr. Gunn
Yes, that's my problem, I don't know any contacts working in the same area (besides my supervisor!), a problem facing many starting grad student, so we can't rely on social filters. Also i suppose it's a lazy way to prioritize journals, if you want to at least glance at them if you dont trust your social filters.
- aarontay
Deepak had some comments on learning to trust your social filters a while back, but yeah, it's hard sometimes. In other news...citeulike has a recommendation feature and Mendeley's great recommendations feature is coming soon.
- Mr. Gunn
Here's the question, are these recommendations based solely on social activity? What if you are working in an area that no-one else is (very likely particularly these days where a small percentage of people are only on such networks). Machine learning techniques like bayesian filtering would be very helpful.
- aarontay
Yes, that's certainly true. I always think of it as Bayesian filtering helps you find the best stuff you already know you like, whereas social search helps you find stuff you didn't know you were looking for,
- Mr. Gunn
I haven't, but now I'm going to. Looks interesting.
- Bill Hooker
In case you are interested in bayesian filtering, the other alternative is suxtor http://icbl.macs.hw.ac.uk/sux0r20... , which ls less commercial. There's a interesting project going along http://bayesianfeedfilter.wordpress.com/ .
- aarontay
I think I might have originally seen that from one of your tweets, actually.
- Mr. Gunn
Yes. I'm working on a blog post on bayesian filtering of rss feeds actually.. several alternatives
- aarontay
I keep hearing rumors of a product that will blow services like feedzero away, but haven't seen so much as a screenshot yet.
- Mr. Gunn
You can setup your own install, or just use the one hosted by Heriot-Watt University. The people there are pretty interested in feedback. main disadvantage so far, can't import opml! Also feeds needs to be approved by admin.
- aarontay
No OPML import is a major dealbreaker for me, unfortunately.
- Mr. Gunn
There's a beta- invitation only feedscrub/ rss bayesian filter, you can get the invitation code on some site, techcrunch or something. 1 got 5 invites if anyone wants them. the free version does only 5 feeds though, but the premium allows opml import. Also playing with hacks like converting rss feeds to POP/IMAP/NNTP then using POPFILE for bayesian filtering.
- aarontay
Converting posts to emails and filtering using the more well-developed tools available for spam is a interesting idea, but it's kinda hacky, isn't it? My income of feed items is way larger than emails - wouldn't that make popfile choke?
- Mr. Gunn
Yeah it's hacky. I've used Popfile for a couple of years in the past before i switched mostly to gmail, i remember going on holiday and coming back and it could handle hundreds of mails incoming at a time (think the mail server timed out first), but it's possible your rss feeds exceeds that by far. God knows i have thousands of unread articles in google reader.
- aarontay
Yeah, thousands, at least. There are whole categories of feeds I don't read directly, only filter/search.
- Mr. Gunn
Cleaning Up the Clutter Online - Pogue’s Posts Blog - NYTimes.com - http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
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"Readability is far more than an ad blocker. It addresses multiple unpleasant trends in Web layout these days: type getting too small, layouts getting cluttered and complex, text overlapping with graphics, ads interrupting the flow of the prose, and so on."
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David Byrne Journal: 10.24.09: Internet Antichrist - http://journal.davidbyrne.com/2009...
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"One man foresaw a global network before any such thing was close to being possible. J. C. R. Licklider (sounds like a character in a Coen bros movie!) envisioned, in a 1960 paper called Man-Computer Symbiosis, "A network of such [computers], connected to one another by wide-band communication lines…[which provided] the functions of present-day libraries together with anticipated advances in information storage and retrieval and [other] symbiotic functions." In other words, he saw it all coming."
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I've Tested at 23andMe, Now What? - http://www.isogg.org/23andme...
Some seemingly simplistic tools on this page.
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Still-murky copyright treaty could change web as we use it - thestar.com - http://www.thestar.com/enterta...
"The future of the Internet in Canada may have been decided in Seoul, Korea, this past week." I don't usually go in for hyperbole, but this does sounds really bad.
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My son has cancer. He can't go into day care because of unvaccinated children. - By Stephanie Tatel - Slate Magazine - http://www.slate.com/id...
"Ordinarily I wouldn't question others' parenting choices. But the problem is literally one of live or don't live. While that parent chose not to vaccinate her child for what she likely considers well-founded reasons, she is putting other children at risk. In this instance, the child at risk was my son. He has leukemia."
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Google Wave vs Twitter at conferences - http://blog.freshnetworks.com/2009...
My bets are on Google Wave...
- Björn Brembs
Their description of the process sounds very like what conference attendees have been doing for some time, using FriendFeed. Shiny new technology sometimes generates amnesia, I think :-)
- Neil Saunders
+1 Neil I wish we could do less of the "OMG this new technology will change everything!!1!" and "meh, Your favorite technology sucks" both. Wave is cool because of the protocol, not because of the client.
- Mr. Gunn
In fact, it's uncool because of the client (which is just horrible)
- Deepak Singh
FF will be the best platform to cover conferences in real-time, Wave is still in development, lots of bugs, not public linkable, Twitter is the last one - suck at it. IMHO
- Alexey
Twitter can be amazing at conferences. I once remember following an entire talk standing in line at a Starbucks on a mobile phone entirely on Tweets. Friendfeed is great for discussion, twitter for soundbites/snippets and just keeping in touch.
- Deepak Singh
Smart use of hashtags works OK for conferences, and you can capture stuff that would otherwise go uncaptured because you don't have time to type more than 140 chars, but I agree, FF is much better if you have a laptop and wifi that works and all that.
- Mr. Gunn
how can you link or embed discussion on Twitter about let's say 1 talk? You easily do it on FF - you can see all of subsequent replies in one place, you can link to it
- Alexey
I do all FF things at work only through mobile, you don't need laptop to do all things on FF - everything you need is mobile device in your pocket
- Alexey
well, hashtags work OK for linking discussions and while ff mobile is easier, it's not as easy as banging out a quick sms to 40404.
- Mr. Gunn
Alexey, if you want in depth discussions then FF is the way to do. To grab a variety of snippets, exchange DM's on the fly, ask someone to ask specific questions in another room Twitter works really well. It's also better to find people with mutual interests, since the userbase is so much larger in general. Agree that when I used Twitter extensively at conferences FF did not exist, so behavior will be different now
- Deepak Singh
@Deepak - agree, "on the fly" Twitter could be better. Now we have enough tools to cover conferences in the real-time, only the problem is how to find folks who up to it? If I'll able to find 5-10 creative folks in 1k-10k attendee conference who up to FF/tweet/wave about it in real-time I'd be happy. The questions of tools of choice will be secondary. More likely these folks use all of them.
- Alexey
Alexey ... well said!!!
- Deepak Singh
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I think setting up friendfeed with a twitter rss feed of the conf hashtag could give the best of both worlds. You can follow the conf in realtime but have the ensuing breakout discussions.
- Justin H. Johnson
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Yes, Justin, and in fact, most people pipe their individual tweets in here as well.
- Mr. Gunn
Why it is not fruitful to discuss Nietzsche interpretation with postmodernists http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog...
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Not fruitful, perhaps, but if you use this postmodernism translator, you can at least be speaking the same language: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/
- Mr. Gunn
Do somebody using Yep for manage your pdf library? How is it?
- Alexey
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I use it and have a lot of fun!
- Denis Stankov
I believe David Crotty's used it some in the past, not my fav,
- Mr. Gunn
Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad. - Boing Boing - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...
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"The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to "national security" concerns, has leaked." Under this treaty, Youtube, Flickr, hosted blogs, and most forms of user-generated content will cease to exist.
- Mr. Gunn
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Sounds fishy. Almost certainly won't happen, iMHO.
- Björn Brembs
If It's Broke, Fix It | Peer to Peer Review - 11/5/2009 - Library Journal - http://www.libraryjournal.com/article...
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more Barbara Fister love. "Does this mean taking money from acquisitions budgets and redirecting it to allied non-profit publishing? Yes, that's what I'm saying."
- D0r0th34
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Thumbs up. On reading/formats, allow me to submit: http://www.daisy.org/project...
- Fiona Bradley
[blush] thanks - sometimes I think I'm unhinged, so it's good to know I'm not totally alone. When I first heard librarians talking about publishing I had my reservations - there's so much more to it than just putting work out on the Web. But doesn't it make sense that academic institutions should fund what it takes and get it done without assuming it takes the magic touch of a commercial publisher to make scholarly work available? Dorothea, you taught me all I know about this.
- barbara fister
there are days I think we could take over the world NOW if we just bought out a small US service bureau and ran it as a co-op.
- D0r0th34
Like like like like like. (Also, will be interested to see whether the brief mention increases traffic to the Refs Wanted room.)
- Bill Hooker
Which one do you want to buy out? I've got a couple thousand, let's do it! ;-)
- Mr. Gunn
I said sometimes. The larger point is that quality typesetting and editing are the last bastion of the big-pig pubs. (That and editorial subventions, which is something I'm still thinking about.) If libraries learn to provide those... we become a much greater contender.
- D0r0th34
BTW, Barbara, someone at MPOW is on the ACRL program committee, and I recommended you to her as an invited speaker on collection development. 'Cos I'm subversive like that.
- D0r0th34
Daily Kos: Blue Dogs Are Taking Away Women's Rights! CALL NOW! - http://www.dailykos.com/story...
Sometimes I feel like just digging a big fucking hole in the ground, climbing in, covering myself up, and telling people to wake me up in a couple years.
- Mr. Gunn
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Anyone using using social referencing for journal clubs? - http://twitter.com/actuala...
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Alex is : Exploring social referencing apps to deliver training about using them for an online journal club. Anyone used them for this purpose?
- Jo Badge
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I was pretty sure someone on here would have done this before - anyone?
- Jo Badge
Well, we're going to do it via CiteULike next term...
- AJCann
I'm thinking of using Mendeley to store the docs and google mailing lists to host and manage the discussions.... I'm not sure I can work with the built in "notes" section in Mendeley or CiteUlike etc....
- Alex (ActualAl)
I wish something like this would exist: http://bjoern.brembs.net/comment...
- Björn Brembs
Alex, did you know you can also annotate PDFs within Mendeley and share the annotated versions (full text) with a limited group?
- Mr. Gunn
@ Mr. Gunn: Can everyone in the limited group edit the same doc simultaneously?
- Steve Koch
Steve, version control and conflict resolution for concurrent editing is under development. The dev preview (0.9.5 http://www.mendeley.com/downloa... release notes http://www.mendeley.com/release...) has some of these features like conflict resolution already. I haven't tried that feature out, but if you want to give it a go, I'll mark up a couple docs with you.
- Mr. Gunn
You can also have a shared reference list in Zotero and pipe the RSS feed to a Friendfeed group for discussion.
- Pedro Beltrao
SPECIAL REPORT Reuters - Are doctors what ails U.S. healthcare? (via @ivanoransky) [more doctors !=better outcomes, = higher costs] - http://www.reuters.com/article...
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"What's more, the Dartmouth analysis shows, clusters of doctors tend to result in higher health care costs -- and, perhaps most surprisingly, outcomes aren't any better in cities with the largest physician populations."
- Mr. Gunn
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there was a great This American Life podcast all about this recently : http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_E...
- Jo Badge
Cool, thanks Jo
- Mr. Gunn
Asked the author for an e-copy but unfortunately they don't have one yet or a subscription either. Looking for: http://www.futuremedicine.com/doi...
Email http://is.gd/fH7i please, many thanks!
- Sally Church
Sorry, no access.
- Bill Hooker
Don't have that one either.
- Mr. Gunn
no access sorry
- Kubke
not here either...
- Björn Brembs
Not available at VT either. :-(
- Chris Lasher
Some/many faculty have not heard of google books. #bricknclick09
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*howls at the utter cluelessness*
- D0r0th34
When I do IL classes I almost always show GBS, usually after asking who's every used it. Usually 10-20% of the students raise their hands. It's something we obsess about but that's not necessarily on other people's radars.
- John Dupuis
But -- but -- the entirety of print culture is being rewritten under our feet! How the hell can the academy *possibly* ignore that?
- D0r0th34
Sadly, they do. I have used it, btw. It was great when I had to check a citation reference I mis-typed and when I've wanted to verify context for some notes I took from a print book. Saved me a whole lot of time. I've also used it for texts that are otherwise difficult to get my hands on. Reading long texts on the screen isn't my favorite thing to do, but I'm happy I have the option.
- Katy S
*grumbles something about st00pid st00pid bloody faculty under her breath*
- D0r0th34
I do the same thing, just not under my breath.
- Katy S
Sometimes I swear the faculty members probably learn more at my IL sessions than the students.
- John Dupuis
not surprised.
- D0r0th34
What's happening there, John? Are they "too busy"? Misplaced priorities? Lack of curiosity? Or just happily becoming tenured fossils?
- Mr. Gunn
Yes, all of the above. Actually, I think many faculty are so narrowly focused on their own stuff that anything a little outside their area of expertise or that doesn't seem relevant doesn't make an impression. That focus is what they're rewarded for, after all. Librarians, on the other hand, can probably be a little more magpie-like, which can be a useful thing to bring to the educational table.
- John Dupuis
Librarian as magpie: Add a proper description after the colon and you'd have a great article title (or presentation, or maybe PhD thesis...)
- Walt Crawford
oh shiny....
- Christina Pikas
Librarian as Magpie: Oh, Shiny, I'll Be Back in a Minute
- John Dupuis
"Information finding techniques of the Black-billed Magpie, Pica hudsonia, and the cousin of their species, Pica librariana."
- Joe....
I find the librarian as magpie a bit disconcerting, but that could be because I'm associating the word magpie with the character with that name in Inkspell/Inkheart/Inkdeath.
- Katy S
I am beginning to finally get it... If you post on Friendfeed you get comments... If you post on Twitter, you get followers. If you are marketing something (e.g. your blog/brand, your product/service) getting followers is much better than getting comments.
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And if you are not wanting to get marketed to?
- Cristo
You need to than unfollow those users...:)) Twitter is a lot more about broadcasting and getting followers is like a drug.. the more you broadcast the more followers you get :)
- Bindu Reddy
Are you getting high right now? :)
- Cristo
Getting followers doesn't really mean anything: 390 of the 400 followers I have on Twitter never act or do anything with what I say on it. Getting them to convert is the meaningful part of the marketing proposition, and conversations, I've found, are far more effective at that.
- Mark Trapp
Mark is right.
- Robert Scoble
So, what's the FAQ for interaction on Twitter? I had a post that got 100+ comments the other day here on Friendfeed but no response on Twitter. I must be doing something wrong over there.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
twitter seems to be great for people who are lazy and not really savvy about marketing. it's sort of like shouting into the void, and you might get a few people to respond, but do you really get people to act?
- Bren, Photophobe
@Mark, I agree with you.. However to a lot of people having a follower number like 10K/20K, which seems like a relatively easily thing to do on Twitter, is not only just a high but it is also a good way to keep in touch with your audience without spending too much time... Here keeping in touch with your audience is way more time consuming
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, but keeping in touch doesn't mean anything if they're not listening. You can have a million followers, but if you're not getting any of them to act on what you're saying, it doesn't mean much. Getting conversations going with people, who may or may not be followers, which Twitter is pretty bad at, are more effective at getting people to convert. I just had a relatively popular...
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- Mark Trapp
Bindu, I'm following you (FF) and I just commented too :)
- Micah Wittman
@Mark, Curious how did you get them to go to your website?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, if I knew that I'd have it made. Near as I can tell, people were doing Twitter and Google searches for "twitter list," and then started retweeting it and sharing it from there.
- Mark Trapp
Following is such a low-risk endeavor that people don't put thought into it: they'll follow anyone and everyone. You even have people thinking it's common decency to automatically follow people if they follow you without even thinking about if their content is interesting. Following is the 21st century equivalent of receiving a phone book or the yellow pages: you do it just in case you need to contact or get ahold of someone in the future, but nobody ever realistically does.
- Mark Trapp
Yep, it's like collecting business cards that get neatly filed into a big binder. It's about the self-satisfaction of the collection - you feel more connected / networked / important and avoid doing the hard work of cold calling or meeting with people and building something or whatever.
- Micah Wittman
I agree with following being a low-risk effort... However I have also heard of ppl gaining value from Twitter without much effort. Take for example this coffeshop I am a big fan of - sightglass coffee. They get a lot of customers from Twitter. It takes them relatively little time to tweet and they get customers. It would be very hard to achieve the same on FF.
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I get lots of conversation on Twitter, too. One of the reasons I am there more than here is because people with common interest in my political obsessions are there, but not here.
- Karoli
Karoli - Yes, the Twitterverse is way more diverse than the FFverse. Curious do you get more comments/conversations per post on Twitter as compared to FF or is it that you you post more stuff because time spent per post is lower on Twitter
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I get very little response to political conversations/comments on FF - a couple of folks follow here but a very small percentage compared to twitter. I tried to pull people over here, but they didn't understand why they should leave tweetdeck and their twitter setup for new territory.
- Karoli
Geeks (+ early adopters, influential folks, the elite ...) are on FriendFeed and the proletariat on Twitter? Long live the dictatorship of the proletariat? Calls for action work best when the audience actually cares, so prolly that's all about choosing the right medium for the targeted punters?
- Sebastian
Sebastian... yes agree the geeks and tech bloggers are on FF... However if you are marketing say a fashion or beauty blog. You won't get much interest here. twitter is the place for you :)
- Bindu Reddy
I disagree with that statement, Bindu. There's a LOT of non-tech getting traction on FriendFeed. So much so that it's the number one reason Scoble no longer enjoys being here: he says he doesn't see enough tech for his liking.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Just butting in here to mention that there are tons of uses for both twitter and friendfeed that have nothing whatsoever to do with marketing. In fact, once could make the argument that social networks such as these were designed to get away from marketing. Unlike radio, TV, or even a web search, you choose who you'll be receiving information from. If you're looking to exchange...
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- Mr. Gunn
Marketing, schmarketing.
- Christopher A Carr
Bindu, what I'm sick of is marketers broadcasting their sales pitches to all social media outlets out there, regardless whether the audience might fit or not. Anyways, i'ts possible to attract a few somewhat intelligent responses to geeky topics at Twitter, at least when xmas and independence day share the same date. Most probably I wouldn't try to sell wonder bras at FF, though.
- Sebastian
@Tina ... umm I have not been an avid user of FF lately so maybe it has become pretty diverse. Are you saying there are a lot of people on here with specific interests such as politics, beauty etc?
- Bindu Reddy
Sebastian - LOL.. agree :)
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu: Ning is a better place to go if you have very specific topics you want to talk about. They are growing a FriendFeed every 12 days (they are getting a million new users that often and have just passed 38 million registered). FriendFeed is fun if you aren't sure what you want to chat about and you're cool with seeing lots of family pictures and goofy stuff. Tina is right that the hard-core geeks are mostly on Twitter or Facebook now, I keep watching here, though.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli I get all kinds of action here on political topics. I have more followers on Twitter but rarely get a response there. Here I got 80+ comments yesterday.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
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MVB, Karoli is a prolific voice on twitter. Twitter seems quite effective for political advocacy/activism even though longer form convos have to break out somewhere else. Also, just like friendfeed, volume / steady presence can make all the difference. Your tweet count is ~2K; Karoli's over 63K.
- Micah Wittman
My presence here is similar to Kaoli's on Twitter, then. So, presence is a mitigating factor. But, Micah, as you so deftly point out, for a long conversation there needs to be a move to another venue. That's where here works better, since it can stay right here.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
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We agree, and can agreed at length right here, folks :)
- Micah Wittman
So link your twitter to your friendfeed. Get followers and comments. The best of both worlds.
- Hareesh Nagarajan
Does it make any difference here whether the original post was to Twitter and reposted here automatically or the original post was directly here? In other words, does the FF community prefer to comment on direct posts rather than Twitter reposts?
- Jimmy Walker
Jimmy: it honestly depends on who you interact with on FriendFeed. There are people who get irate about people only posting to Twitter and openly advocate using FriendFeed directly, and yet, there are interesting people who always get a conversation going around their tweets. One thing that sometimes helps is coming back to FriendFeed and elaborating on your tweet, or to do more than...
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- Mark Trapp
Mark, that sounds like good advice. Thanks.
- Jimmy Walker
Why not a WPA? - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com - http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
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Sensible solutions like this would require a president with more political courage than Obama.
- Piaw Na
As well, "cheaper than running things through the private sector" also means "no one gets to skim off a big slice".
- Andrew C
It's more fun to spend money when it's not yours. I say we just raise taxes on the rich to 90% of income and capital gains, and then print twice as much money as we have now. Then hire everyone who's not working as government workers.
- Cristo
"It's more fun to spend money when it's not yours." ... so wouldn't it be better by your lights to _save_ money by cutting out the middleman?
- Andrew C
No, we should just spend all the rich people's money. My goal is to make as little money as possible. That way it's more fun because we get all this benefit, but I don't have to pay for it.
- Cristo
Yup, that's me. Lucky Ducky.
- Cristo
Would that we could all be so lucky.
- Andrew C
You can. We should just elect Paul Krugman as president.
- Cristo
So you don't really get Krugman, do you.
- Andrew C
No, he's too smart for me. In fact, whenever I disagree with someone, it's because "I don't get them."
- Cristo
But I mean, if you really think Krugman's proposal is (even implicitly) for massive taxes on the rich, I can only conclude you really don't get him. Or possibly, haven't actually read what he wrote.
- Andrew C
I've read a lot of what he's written, and my comments weren't specific to just this proposal.
- Cristo
By all means, point me to the ones that do say anything _remotely_ like "raise taxes to 90% of income and capital gains" or "print twice as much money as we do now".
- Andrew C
Obviously I'm exaggerating, but I think you know that.
- Cristo
Well, yes, but that's why I said "anything remotely like it".
- Andrew C
Okay Andrew, you win. You know why? Because I'm bored of this conversation, and I don't feel like wasting time researching Krugman's previous articles to come up with proof for you that you will just dispute and we will both have wasted the whole day. :)
- Cristo
I got time. You can find stuff over the next few weeks or months, or just keep an eye out for future Krugman columns posted to FF. Or, I guess, you could rest smug in the certainty of what you already know...
- Andrew C
Have you ever been on welfare, Cristo? Have you ever depended on medicare or feed stamps? No? Kindly STFU, then. You just came in here to troll about "mah tax moniez!!1!" and I have zero patience for that infantile nonsense. Sorry to come on so strongly and harshly, but I know people in real life that bitch about how much in taxes they're paying and mutter comments about every hispanic...
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- Mr. Gunn
Sorry, I should really learn to keep my mouth shut and stay out of political stuff. Apologies for the rudeness.
- Mr. Gunn
Mr. Gunn, no need to apologize, I think you've got Cristo summed up right.
- Piaw Na
Meeting with two Media Arts majors at UNM, discussing ideas for collaborations on science outreach. Thinking that a video explaining Open Science to the general public may be a good idea?
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Definitely!
- Mr. Gunn
We were mulling over a few ideas: (1) Like I mentioned in the title of this post: A combined video / screencast to explain what scientists are doing nowadays to make progress towards open science. Audience would be general public and scientists. Could use friendfeed as a starting point and then show things like open notebook science, etc...
- Steve Koch
(2) Making a 5 minute video explaining the Open Notebook Science we're doing in Junior physics lab here. Target audience: other science instructors around the globe who'd be interested in using our experience to add open notebook science to their own courses.
- Steve Koch
(3) (This what inspired our meeting, but then we thought up 1 and 2 above while talking) Making science videos explaining the research in our lab. Target audience: general public.
- Steve Koch
(4) (This just occurred to me, we didn't talk about it): We could collaborate on making high-quality protocols videos. Something like in JoVE, but produced locally. I like all of these ideas and glad I met these students!
- Steve Koch
Very cool, Steve. What can I do to help?
- Mr. Gunn
Why don't you make a similar video explaining Open Science to scientists? I bet you will find a larger (or smaller) audience.
- Paulo Nuin
I agree it would be larger or smaller :). @Mr. Gunn, thanks! I don't know what help -- the barrier now is to know what to do. Which of those #1-4 seem most worthwhile to you and most in need of digital media experts? #4 is the easiest for me to imagine, since I actually know what I'm trying to convey. #1 is the hardest, since I'm not sure how to coherently explain that.
- Steve Koch
I am going to put a bit in my NSF CAREER budget for these projects. Talking with the students today, it seems like they could get academic credit for the project in the Media Arts programs, and also get access to the equipment. So, even there, I'm not sure what I'd need to budget for.
- Steve Koch
And BTW: Both of these students took my Physics 102 "Conceptual Physics" course and did very well. So, this is cool validation for the whole teaching/research synergy idea.
- Steve Koch
What is Open Science?
- Paulo Nuin
I'll give this some thought, Steve. I've got my hands busy right now in terms of developing a presentation, but of course you're welcome to reuse any of my or Mary Canady's slides.
- Mr. Gunn
@Paulo: what I mean by the term is the application of the free-as-in-speech principles of Free/Open Source Software to the entire enterprise of science. The Blue Obelisk folks refer to ODOSOS (http://blueobelisk.sourceforge.net/wiki... Open Data, Open Source, and Open Standards); to this I would add Open Access (publishing) and Open Licensing, to give the "five pillars" of Open Science.
- Bill Hooker
Hmm. Open Data, Open Source, Open Access, and Open Standards are all forms of open licensing, aren't they? Or is there something specifically called Open Licensing that I'm not aware of?
- Michael R. Bernstein
What I mean by Open Licensing is CC-style explicit permissions for re-use in copyright, and things like Science Commons' MTA or CAMBIA's BiOS licenses for stuff that's covered by patents. So yes, that's all part of Open Foo, but I think there's more to Foo than just the licensing and more to licensing than Data/Source/Access/Standards.
- Bill Hooker
Ah. Open Content covers CC licenses, I'm not sure what to call MTA and CAMBIA BiOS.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Other possibilities might be to include a citizen science project as an example of what can be done with greater collaboration -- such projects are good entryways into outreach since they seem to make science "closer" to a non- or emerging scientist. You could even go so far as to tailor portions of your own projects to younger audiences (K-12) -- and by doing so entice classrooms of...
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- Mickey Schafer
Sounds like a great idea and one I'm all in favour of. An idea, Steve. You might want to alert SciVee's Prof Phil Bourne http://www.scivee.tv/user/phil as I'm pretty sure he'd be [1] interested and [2] willing to lend a hand in hosting/promoting this type of project.
- Graham Steel
Hey Mickey, Thanks for those ideas! Definitely interesting to me and will think about it. @Graham -- thanks for that link, I will definitely contact him when we have a clearer idea of what we're wanting to do.
- Steve Koch
If you're looking for additional inspiration, try googling "digital ethnography" -- you should get to the Kansas State stuff (both their blog/web pages and youtube videos) -- you may or may not like the science-y part (anthropology -- the first video ever produced in the series was fairly annoying to me, though the subsequent ones are quite interesting), but they have some great teaching experiments using web re/sources that you might find useful.
- Mickey Schafer
Second Mickey's recommendation. Very interesting stuff - e.g., a short presentation at: http://www.youtube.com/watch.... I really like the idea of doing something of similar impact for open science. The longer 55 minute Library of Congress talk from the same channel is well worth watching, IMO.
- Michael Nielsen
That's spectacular!
- Steve Koch
STeve - It'd be really nice to have something similar for open science. Some visual ideas I like are to make a movie of the version history on, e.g., OWW, or the Polymath wiki; visualizations of the evolving network of relationships from, e.g., GeneWiki... I'll bet things like diseases gradually being understood are actually visible in the network of links on Wikipedia.
- Michael Nielsen
Steve - Jon Udell does an awesome Wikipedia movie at http://jonudell.net/umlaut.swf Things get really fun a couple of minutes in...
- Michael Nielsen
Hey Michael, that too is very cool. And I really like your idea of adapting that for OWW or the other sites. I don't know if the students I talked with are good at that or not. Looking at the things you linked me made me realize that if I'm going to be heavily involved (say as "producer" with the $), then I think I'm missing some talents to lead those kinds of things. So, maybe I'm not...
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- Steve Koch
Demonstration is a more effective way of explaining a concept than just explanation is anyway! Hmm. That could've been more elegantly expressed. In any case, Demo of what you are doing with some discussion of implications (pedagogical to philosophical) also sounds like a great project.
- Mickey Schafer
Hi All -- Met again with Noel and Leslie (the Media Arts peeps), and we've planned to start making the video on November 23. We're planning on short video showing what we're doing in Junior Lab with Open Notebook Science. General plan can be seen here: http://docs.google.com/Doc... and a list of potential interview questions is being generated here: http://docs.google.com/Doc...
- Steve Koch
Muchas excellentos
- Graham Steel
Academic Productivity » What’s Wrong with Probability Notation? - http://www.academicproductivity.com/2009...
"Sometimes I wonder why many humans (me included) have trouble understanding probability. In cognitive science, probabilistic models are taking over most areas. Still, most people struggle with them. Could it be that the notation is just hard to swallow? What’s Wrong with Probability Notation? is a magnificent post that gives some basic reasons:"
- Mr. Gunn
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The next killer feature for reference managers - tracking the post publication discussion (via @mfenner) - http://network.nature.com/people...
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- Mr. Gunn
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