"So what are we proposing? We will phase out project and programme grants and instead, extend the model of fellowship support to researchers who are salaried by their university or research institute. "
- Daniel Mietchen
"We look to the scientific community to bring us their best ideas." - looks like an invite for another round of Fantasy Science Funding (this time from the perspective of the Wellcome Trust).
- Daniel Mietchen
Having been a Wellcome Trust International Travelling Fellow I've appreciated Wellcome's visionary approach to funding, and applaud their initiative here. This isn't a fantasy, this is Wellcome, and it will happen...
- Richard Badge
I agree, I don't think this is fantasy. They will do what they say. Few, the light is finally dawning.
- Jo Badge
For background on Fantasy Science Funding, see http://ways.org/en... . This piece shall also serve as a basis for an upcoming post on "What would research funding look like if it were invented today?" ( http://ff.im/9SvED ) which is intended to contain a general analysis of the funding situation, combined with some specific examples....
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- Daniel Mietchen
this looks bit but I don't really understand what it means in practice. You apply for a fellowship but does that not mean that you still are asking for the resources for a defined programme of work? If slightly less tightly defined? Will be interested to see what this means in detailed terms.
- Cameron Neylon
Critique: An inward-looking scheme which must eventually collapse due to failure to recruit new talent (and lack of a proper career structure will speed that up). Bye bye UK science.
- AJCann
I would suggest to them to do a significant part of the review process in the open, and to abandon it for some control group that meets basic eligibility criteria.
- Daniel Mietchen
@ajcann cynic ;-) what do you propose instead then? At least they are trying to acknowledge that science is done by good people with good ideas, giving them the freedom to follow those ideas to their logical conclusions and not to a pre-determined end point that you can only guess at.
- Jo Badge
But this strategy cannot be successful in the long term as it is anti-innovative and will inevitably degenerate into an old boys club.
- AJCann
@ AJCann: It has already gone much of that way, and I interpret Walport's piece as a sign of consciousness of the matter and an invitation for constructive criticism, albeit he seems to be very concerned about the opinions of other funders.
- Daniel Mietchen
The Wellcome trust is certainly one of the organizations that are most upfront (and sometimes brutal) in saying what they want and being forceful in maximizing their return on investment. I would certainly give them the benefit of the doubt to some extent on this one. But there is also something of a perception that it is something of a closed club. Partly this is down to a conscious...
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- Cameron Neylon
Yes, but not a viable strategy for UK science overall. It works for Wellcome as long as they can cannibalize the fresh talent funded by someone else. It won't work over the longer term is all (or most) agencies go down this route.
- AJCann
@ajcann you'd rather have two strikes and you're out ala epsrc?
- Jo Badge
from iPod
Well at least junior researchers can apply for an EPSRC grant.
- AJCann
Alan, let me ask the tough question - _is_ there a viable strategy for UK science overall? As in a strategy that views UK science in isolation? Having just got back from China I've got to say it certainly feels like we're toast unless we build our personnel and physical infrastructure in a bigger framework.
- Cameron Neylon
Probably not at the present/proposed levels of funding and considering what is being asked. Developing economies regard fundamental research as a route to prosperity. Decaying economies seems to regard science funding as a drain. It would be possible to fund selected areas, e.g. sustainable technologies, healthcare, and focus limited funding, but in this proposal inadequate funding is...
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- AJCann
It's interesting how explicit that is in the China case. The spending of money to speed development as well as to bring people back to support this. Building a new campus expected to house 20,000 scientists in a five year timeframe just doesn't seem to bother them. At the same time the heirachical and top down nature of the society and organization of their science doesn't seem to support radical developments. Will be very interesting to watch though.
- Cameron Neylon
11) write a piece for NPR's 'With a Perspective' program
- April Buchheit
12) be the dead body on L&O or L&O: Criminal Intent :)
- April Buchheit
13) be an extra in a good movie or tv show
- April Buchheit
If I were composing this list 5 years ago, obtaining a PhD would have been right at the top. But since then I've gotten to know a few people who got their PhD's (or tried, in some cases), and it doesn't seem all that awesome anymore. It's just so much work and I've gotten quite lazy over the years.
- April Buchheit
14) to be a part of the choir during a performance of Beethoven's Symphony no. 9
- April Buchheit
12 was my favorite. And i never understood the marathon thing, never had the desire to run one even when i was good at running, now don't understand it at all.
- Steve C
17) Sing along with the muppets on Sesame Street (I will settle for the alphabet song, but any other cute/clever song will do). On this note, I've dreamed of Paul being a guest on Sesame Street someday to talk about the letter G. :)
- April Buchheit
ohhh... that would SOOO rock... internal call within the org for people who know about virtual organizations, cscw in science, collaboratories... volunteered myself, but who knows if they need someone like me (i hope, i hope, i hope)
That is a good point - the PubMed version of the article will take away from the article metrics. So we shouldn't take them too seriously but they are better than the dominant system in place right now.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
There are probably also significant numbers of downloads of green OA articles in institutional repositories. Difficult to track. And you should never take any bibliographic metric too seriously ;)
- Martin Fenner
from iPhone
Martin I think the metrics can be useful if properly framed by a researcher to demonstrate the impact of their own work
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Free, immediate and permanently available research results for all - that's what the open-access campaigners want. Unsurprisingly, the subscription publishers disagree. - http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story...
Free, immediate and permanently available research results for all - that's what the open-access campaigners want. Unsurprisingly, the subscription publishers disagree. Zoe Corbyn weighs up the ramifications for journals, while Matthew Reisz asks how books will fare Stephen Hicks, a reader in health and social care at the University of Salford, has just uploaded nine of his journal articles to his university's online open-access repository of institutional papers, and has another ten in the pipeline. Doing so had not crossed his mind before, and it won't be compulsory until January 2010 (last month, Salford mandated so-called "self-archiving", becoming the 100th organisation worldwide to do so). But he was turned on to the idea after hearing Martin Hall, Salford's vice-chancellor and an open-access advocate, speak.
- Duncan Hull
It's not surprising they disagree, but it won't be surprising to find, a few years from now, them they saying it was their idea all along...
- Mr. Gunn
slides from this morning's presentation now up, and guess what, it's about knwldge sharing + science <spoiler alert> :) http://www.slideshare.net/kaythan...
was well received :) most of the day is in spanish (latin american conference), but some interesting feedback re: local issues over traditional knowledge and sharing of agricultural information (in this case, seeds was cited as a big example)
- Kaitlin Thaney
Interesting feedback indeed. Nice one !
- Graham Steel
pq - "If the data obtained via crawlers and APIs can be used, only then does the lock-in of data go away. And, of course, the ideal foundation for such software is open source -- allowing users to publish and subscribe to information with as many data standards as possible. Some of these good fellows really exist". So the desire and necessity of gaining back control over data, or, as we Trekkies here dubbed it “Command your Data” is what will evolve the power of the open source idea into the cloud.
- Graham Steel
@Egon, vaguely speaking, Chempedia will attempt to make the Web a much friendlier place for chemistry. There's been a heckuva lot of innovation on the Web and Chemistry hasn't been keeping up. For example, I'll be writing up a short description of Chempedia's brand-new new substances Atom feed. There's nothing particularly new there, but it's a very simple and scalable method for...
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- Rich Apodaca
Wouldn't RSS feeds break a DB with large bulk updates? I tried this with PubChem - monthly updates made the RSS feed not very useful due to the large size of the update
- Rajarshi Guha
Feeling v. intimidated. Agreed to participate in a symposium on the future of libraries, then found out that David Weinberger, Peter Brantley, Susan Gibbons, Joe Janes, and several other HUGE names are also participating. What could I possibly bring to the conversation???
Sense, sensibility, and what Laura sez. Don't be intimidated by any of those names.
- Walt Crawford
Guess I'm just feeling out of practice and out of the loop, so not sure I'm a great choice as a futurist at this point.
- Meredith
I don't know any of those people, so they can't be that important ;) Everyone's version of the future is different. You're bound to have some creative and unique ideas.
- Kenton
You'll bring what you always bring, Meredith: intelligence, enthusiasm, & a strong sense of balance.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Are you frickin' KIDDING me? I know what you bring to the table: a reality check that won't bounce. All those people know is the view from 20,000 feet. You live in the real world of constrained budgets, unwary students and colleagues and faculty, and limited influence. Trust me. That panel needs you more than anyone else on it.
- D0r0th34
You probably have the best sense of what kind of service college students need now and in the future, since you talk with them everyday.
- Joe....
As far as I can tell, what everybody else said plus OMG cute baby!
- Elaine Nelson
I guess that's true. I hadn't thought of the fact that I'm the only one on that list who is a front-line public services librarian right now.
- Meredith
what Dorothea said - oh, a LIBARIAN WORKING IN A LIBRARY! kookytalk that.
- jambina
Yeah, I'm going to echo a couple of comments here. I love hearing from front-line librarians alongside people like these. Joe was my adviser in library school, and I know he works a shift at the reference desk, but being a professor is very different than being immersed in the practice of librarianship. Same goes for those others.
- Kaijsa Calkins
agree (1000) with Dorothea. You're actually doing this stuff! Plus, you can point out all the other librarians who are working hard to keep it relative in this day and age--not just offering theories.
- Abigail
Ooh, I like what Dorothea said - a reality check that won't bounce. Meredith, I think you are an intelligent, articulate, and yet down-to-earth and approachable librarian. I think you'll be great at this, and I for one am interested in your view of the future of libraries. :)
- Laura H.
To put things in perspective I suspect I'm not the only one who is intimidated by a superstar librarian like yourself. :)
- aarontay
Thanks everyone! I'm feeling a lot less anxious now. :) Probably the hardest thing for me is playing the role of a futurist -- I am much more of a now-ist and I'm just not thinking in terms of 2020 or even 2012. I'm sure I'll come up with something. :)
- Meredith
Definitely what Dorothea said! Talk about what the future looks like on the ground. So important in panels like this!
- Sarah
Coming back a bit late: Some of us would say the future evolves out of a considered present--and since you think about what's happening and are actually grounded in that present, you're likely to be a breath of fresh air on the panel. (Sounds like an awfully big panel, though...five plus "several"?)
- Walt Crawford
they may have overstuffed the panel expecting a drop or two
- D0r0th34
Remember, futurist = guesser (thanks to Charlie Brooker for that) And I'm sure you're as good a guesser as anyone ;)
- Pete
Interesting. This was bound to happen eventually. It's "Friendfeed for scientists", except that it's a little cluttered and hard to find your way around.
- Mr. Gunn
Passing on a question from a bioinformatics colleague who needs to put together lectures and practicals on systems biology: "Is there opensource/freely available software that can be used to carry out systems biology analysis?". Any information on existing teaching resources would be welcome...
That's a tough question to answer. What specifically is he looking at? Pathways? Integrated analysis?
- Deepak Singh
If only it were possible to be specific - pinning down what exactly to cover in a systems biology course is part of the problem. The practicals will probably be limited by what is available and whether case studies or tutorials are provided (or are available on the web).
- Noel O'Boyle
Thanks Khader - that list looks very useful. Regarding the type of software, really anything from metabolomics analysis, microarray analysis, studying protein-protein interactions graphs would be useful. Again, the focus is on software for use in practicals (so should be easy to use, and free or open source).
- Noel O'Boyle
Bioconductor for microarray analysis, igraph for graph analysis, Cytoscape for visualization, network integration
- Rajarshi Guha
JWS Online (http://jjj.biochem.sun.ac.za/) is quite handy for teaching. The models are of a reasonably small size and it's web-enabled, so no faffing around with installs and what-not.
- Neil Swainston
Love this: "This messy, difficult thing is called innovation, and while it can cause angst for those who prefer stable dysfunctionality,"
- Polly Potter
I am eagerly awaiting Stephen's reply. I love ping pong!
- mita
Is some clever person out there compiling a list of all the responses? 'Cause I was just thinking I should do that, but perhaps someone has already started.
- laura x
Their description of the process sounds very like what conference attendees have been doing for some time, using FriendFeed. Shiny new technology sometimes generates amnesia, I think :-)
- Neil Saunders
+1 Neil I wish we could do less of the "OMG this new technology will change everything!!1!" and "meh, Your favorite technology sucks" both. Wave is cool because of the protocol, not because of the client.
- Mr. Gunn
In fact, it's uncool because of the client (which is just horrible)
- Deepak Singh
FF will be the best platform to cover conferences in real-time, Wave is still in development, lots of bugs, not public linkable, Twitter is the last one - suck at it. IMHO
- Alexey
Twitter can be amazing at conferences. I once remember following an entire talk standing in line at a Starbucks on a mobile phone entirely on Tweets. Friendfeed is great for discussion, twitter for soundbites/snippets and just keeping in touch.
- Deepak Singh
Smart use of hashtags works OK for conferences, and you can capture stuff that would otherwise go uncaptured because you don't have time to type more than 140 chars, but I agree, FF is much better if you have a laptop and wifi that works and all that.
- Mr. Gunn
how can you link or embed discussion on Twitter about let's say 1 talk? You easily do it on FF - you can see all of subsequent replies in one place, you can link to it
- Alexey
I do all FF things at work only through mobile, you don't need laptop to do all things on FF - everything you need is mobile device in your pocket
- Alexey
well, hashtags work OK for linking discussions and while ff mobile is easier, it's not as easy as banging out a quick sms to 40404.
- Mr. Gunn
Alexey, if you want in depth discussions then FF is the way to do. To grab a variety of snippets, exchange DM's on the fly, ask someone to ask specific questions in another room Twitter works really well. It's also better to find people with mutual interests, since the userbase is so much larger in general. Agree that when I used Twitter extensively at conferences FF did not exist, so behavior will be different now
- Deepak Singh
@Deepak - agree, "on the fly" Twitter could be better. Now we have enough tools to cover conferences in the real-time, only the problem is how to find folks who up to it? If I'll able to find 5-10 creative folks in 1k-10k attendee conference who up to FF/tweet/wave about it in real-time I'd be happy. The questions of tools of choice will be secondary. More likely these folks use all of them.
- Alexey
I think setting up friendfeed with a twitter rss feed of the conf hashtag could give the best of both worlds. You can follow the conf in realtime but have the ensuing breakout discussions.
- Justin H. Johnson
from iPhone
Yes, Justin, and in fact, most people pipe their individual tweets in here as well.
- Mr. Gunn