Hmm. Given the work I am currently doing, most of this site would not answer the questions people have. Manuscript prep, for instance, does not explain how to write an article; it does advertise for an English-language editing service. I don't see where most of the links add much of anything that cannot be found in the author guidelines. It does create a nifty platform for self-advertisement, though. Sort of like cigarette companies who sponsor quit-smoking programs.
- Mickey Schafer
Oh I wasn't at all intersted in the site, which as you say is basically promotional but in the message, which is at odds with some publisher rhetoric about publication being divorced from the research process.
- Cameron Neylon
FB is going public -- it is hardly a "safe" place to be given that it will now be subject to investor-driven concerns. True, you can still set privacy settings well enough that casual browsers cannot find you. I like that! But it's true about Twitter -- I've gotten several followers often to do things with me or allow me to do unto them activities I've neither the interest or anatomy to follow up on!
- Mickey Schafer
Posted via email from The Backstop (alias L'esprit de l'escalier)
- Jason Miller
from Posterous
How about the road;-)? Sigh. I reacted to that statement as well. I am wondering if we (the US) needs to develop a system where the undergrad degree and grad/research paths are simply not at the same institutions -- I know this would suck for promising undergraduates (I work with bunches of them), but the clear, spoken and printed message by our administration is that we will be...
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- Mickey Schafer
Amen, Sister! I have an assignment in my thesis class where students are required to subscribe to RSS feeds and report back on the experience. Every year, there are always students who have never heard of RSS -- and this year, a student who is openly ticked off that she's spent two years working in neuroscience labs and no one ever told her how to aggregate science news. I just don't...
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- Mickey Schafer
The decision of browser-makers to drop the RSS icon on the address bar hasn't helped. I suspect a lot of sites have RSS feeds and relied on that icon rather than having on-page links.
- Walt Crawford
Yes -- I've had several points of mild embarrassment this week when students have pointed to the tiny little letters in a menu bar for the RSS feed. Sigh.
- Mickey Schafer
From a non-public discussion related to http://ff.im/NEFAA : "The issue that I am finding that scientists should be aware of and cautious is the level of information and details provided in open applications. Otherwise their ideas could be easily stolen by those who miss ideas but have easier access to other fundings (although, indeed, something like that can also happen in closed application procedures)." - I know there are numerous good rebuttals out there but can't find one right now. Pointers appreciated.
- Daniel Mietchen
My reply: "This issue comes up again and again in discussions related to openness, and while it is real, "the published track record would make it easier to shame the person who did the scooping" (cf. http://stevekochscience.blogspot.com/2009... ). In the closed-system scenario, there is no way to defend. For a case where it actually happened, see...
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- Daniel Mietchen
Not a rebuttal, but an additional problem: UF has explicitly stated that NO information that it could deem possible of resulting in research or patent infringement can be discussed on any public forum in any form. It doesn't even matter here if you'd like to be an open practitioner. If your stuff can be applied in any way, UF will shut it down.
- Mickey Schafer
I had similar passages in my contracts at Fraunhofer and Max Planck. I don't think addenda similar to what http://oad.simmons.edu/oadwiki... provides for OA would work in such cases, so perhaps the best strategy is to expose such policies. Does anyone know of institutions that have these policies somewhere public?
- Daniel Mietchen
Agree that openness can lead to scoopiness - but also agree that if it is 'open' it is easier to claim that the 'original' should at least be cited. Unfortunately, other than the expectation of citation (unless otherwise clearly stated in some sort of terms of use) I don't think one can prevent someone else from using your ideas. The thing is scooping happens - even if you work in closed systems, but it then becomes harder to show that the third party had 'access' to what you are working on.
- Kubke
Thanks, Daniel, for remembering that post! It's quite interesting for me to re-read and remember me being a different me. My thoughts on the risk of scooping remain very similar. I still think the more open, the more defense against scooping (both accidental and purposeful). It's still factual that if you're closed and traditional, you still disclose your best ideas to your fiercest...
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- Steve Koch
I live in a geodesic dome; had a romantic vision of doing so when I was around 10 and encountered "Bucky's" work for the first time. Reality is better than the fantasy, though the sound dynamics are bizarre:-0!
- Mickey Schafer
"Todd Park has served as HHS’s Chief Technology Officer since August 2009. In this role, his mission is to be a change agent and “entrepreneur-in-residence,” helping HHS harness the power of data, technology, and innovation to improve the health of the nation. Prior to joining HHS, Mr. Park co-founded Athenahealth and co-led its development into one of the most innovative health IT companies in the industry. He also cofounded Castlight, a web-based health care shopping service for consumers. Mr. Park has also served in a volunteer capacity as a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress, where he focused on health IT and health reform policy, and as senior health care advisor to Ashoka, a leading global incubator of social entrepreneurs, where he helped start Healthpoint Services, a venture to bring affordable telehealth, drugs, diagnostics, and clean water to rural India. Mr. Park graduated magna cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from Harvard College with an A.B. in economics. "
- Mickey Schafer
Yeah, I wondered about that. I think Anthony means something like "let the cat out of the bag".
- Bill Hooker
Hey Bill, here's a response to you from the other thread: Hey Bill -- I've read a lot of those studies. Heavy water tends to stabilize biomolecules and biomolecular aggregates. Microtubules are very susceptible to this stabilization, and thus heavy water toxicity to eukaryotes resembles anti-mitotic drugs such as taxol that stabilize microtubules and prevent cell division. Lewis'...
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- Steve Koch
I think by "jump the shark" he meant I don't have any awesome idea to mention yet. I don't think there's a cat in the bag--a reliable metric is something he's searching for.
- Steve Koch
Presumably [D+] depends on pH? Perhaps an organism adapted to low pH might be more susceptible -- or the effect of pH on any organism or system might be altered by D levels?
- Bill Hooker
You can D-replace prokaryotes... what would happen if you did that for 100, or 100 million, generations, then switched 'em back to regular water? Can you H-replace 'em using D-depleted water? I'm trying to come up with ways to adapt some enzyme or other to D, wondering if you could get it sensitive enough that adding D to a system using that enzyme would act as a switch...
- Bill Hooker
(P.S. have I mentioned how awesome this project is? Because it is seriously awesome. This is what I thought it would be like to be a scientist, when I was a kid and had no concept of grants and reviews and tenure and all that shit. Following this project in an Open notebook makes me feel like a kid again.)
- Bill Hooker
yes pD (i.e. -log[D]) depends on pH, although that is an even bigger can of worms than I think I realized until now. Because D-O is a stronger bond than D-H, the pD of pure D2O is about 7.4 (see, e.g. http://www.madsci.org/posts...). So even though the ratio of D to H in "normal" water is 1/6600-ish, the ratio of free D to free H is even lower....
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- Steve Koch
Well, that big problem aside (I don't think it accounts for our results, since heavy-oxygen water also showed a gliding speed affect. I hope), I am still so confused that I am losing confidence that adjusting the "pL" that way is "correct." Furthermore, I am not even sure there is a "correct" way to do it, since H->D affects different bonds differently. I am thinking that for Anthony's...
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- Steve Koch
I love your idea about using acidophiles to amplify an effect of deuterium-depletion! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) Although I am too confused to know whether it would amplify or attenuate the affect. There must be plants that are acidophilic (I remember as a kid someone telling me that pine trees make the soil more acidic to fight off competitor plants...not sure if that is true). I would love a reason to study cactuses or archaea :)
- Steve Koch
And thank you Bill for saying the project is awesome and for your encouragement and ideas since the start! I share your sentiment and feel like a kid scientist again too--whether we can do it and still get tenure (me) and money (us) remains to be seen, but I decided WTF, but probably wouldn't have pursued it without your interest. When we publish in PLoS ONE you should be a co-author if...
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- Steve Koch
Sorry, I'm late to the show, but all this notebooking has actually made me less accessible than I want to be. Also sorry for my improper use of jumping the shark. I meant it as you all interpreted it and not as it is actually defined. Oops!
- Anthony Salvagno
Also thanks everyone for your great suggestions and comments! This project and my new notebook has raised my spirits to levels beyond my imagination. Like Bill and Steve stated I feel like a kid again too (even though I'm relatively young) and I get to report on really cool basic science that surprisingly hasn't been very deeply investigated. This project is literally like "I wonder what would happen if..." and then we get to see! Very exciting stuff.
- Anthony Salvagno
Finally I just want to comment that I'm working on ways to improve my notebook and very much welcome any and all suggestions.
- Anthony Salvagno
Pull quote: "E-books priced more than their print edition. How could this possibly be? Paper costs more than electrons, so surely e-books should be cheaper, right? Believe it or not, this isn't a glitch. And it's not happening because publishers are asleep at the wheel either. Come down the rabbit hole with me into the wholesale/agency tunnel, and I'll tell you why this is happening."
- Peter Murray
aah, thanks for that post. I'd begun to wonder, especially since I consumed many .99 - 2.99 kindle bestsellers this summer. It was great! The books were often shorter, but I didn't care b/c I'd only paid a couple of dollars for it. So many current best-sellers are set at e-book prices that I refuse to pay because I cannot stomach more than the cost of a paperback for a book I cannot...
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- Mickey Schafer
I agree with Mickey. The convenience of electronic delivery does not outweigh the inability to exchange, donate or lend, and I won't buy e-books at p-book prices until that disadvantage is removed. Also, I don't see why the publisher should be setting the retail price unless they are operating the retail outlet themselves. Let them take the added risk or give up the extra control.
- Bill Hooker
(Also I'm old, and I like physical books. I have a Kindle and use it daily on my commute, but for real pleasure I'll take a hard copy every time.)
- Bill Hooker
Agreed -- the pricing model is very weird...as this post shows, it is as weird as the relationship between the publishers and the booksellers. I, too, balk at $10 prices for e-books because of all of the inherent disadvantages. (And I also snapped up a bunch of summer reading material during Amazon's sale last month.)
- Peter Murray
Some conference-style talks work for me (based on your slides, I'm guessing yours would be among them). Summaries of status etc, not so much. Too bad, because I want to know and retain much of the info. Capturing into twitter helps some, but at ends of long days it isn't enough.
- Heather Piwowar
Are conference proceedings still published? I always like that b/c it meant I could really listen to the presentation without having to worry too much about getting every detail.
- Mickey Schafer
depends heavily on the discipline. at ASIST there are papers in a proceedings and they are almost like journal articles. Panels you have to be there. For AGU (geosciences) there's nothing but abstracts in the proceedings - no papers.
- Christina Pikas
Interesting insight about how student interest interest in having student-written reviews on library resources relates to the way students think about "evaluation of sources." Pull quote: "I think about how students evaluate information when I see their interest in the library website providing reviews of books, articles, and other materials that they can access in our collections. They want an Amazon.com-style service whereby they can see what previous users of the materials have said about the materials, so that the students can make an informed decision about the utility of the materials for their purposes.
- Stephen Francoeur
Hee. I am bad for enjoying that a post about students' suspect information literacy skills has a bad citation in the very first words of the post.
- Your Neighbor Steve
I am so glad this was pointed out "...Amazon-style reviews, (see, for instance, the reviews of this Economics textbook), you see that the reviewers writing the "most useful" reviews are explicit about what they wanted out of the book, how the book met their needs (or didn't), and allow the reader of the reviews to evaluate the extent to which the reviewer's standards are the reader's...
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- Mickey Schafer
I like that FWK is allowing students to keep their e-textbooks as one of the options. What I dislike most about rental texts is their impermanence. What's the point of taking notes on a text if the student cannot keep the original? I guess programs like Evernote might get around that, but it still divorces the notes from the context. I guess that's an old-fashioned notion, though --...
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- Mickey Schafer
lol: "As an antidote to Beloit College's annual Mindset List (the latest version is being released this week), designed to orient faculty and administrators to the cultural touchstones that have shaped the lives of incoming freshmen, I hereby offer, for the benefit of students and administrators, a similar list of characteristics of faculty members who were born before 1980 and who teach at public institutions. Are faculty members' mind-sets less important than students'? If you prick our mind-sets, do they not bleed?"
- Mickey Schafer
love this line: "The smallest things – a book the catalog says is available that’s not on the shelf where it’s supposed to be, a link that no longer works, a search box that has gone into hiding or acts differently – can let slip the dogs of war, or at least the puppies of profound irritation."
- Mickey Schafer
Interesting -- the first half of this summer, I started a project for our department called the "Writing in the Disciplines Knowledge Base" -- it's a wiki whose purpose is to bring together in one place all of the stuff we do and how we go about doing it. I chose a wiki to make it searchable and create various entrance points. (It isn't public yet -- but I will open it up by the end of September -- I haven't been able to put any work in for 5 weeks now and am frustrated by this).
- Mickey Schafer
The hardest part so far has been planning the project itself -- how should I bring all of this information together? How do I get faculty to participate so that their tacit knowledge becomes known? How and the hell do you MAKE tacit knowledge known? A wiki was a logical object to choose, but I am still unsatisfied -- I want the object itself to be more dynamic. I don't have the...
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- Mickey Schafer
"heir findings, published this month in the journal PLoS One, may help scientists derive better hypotheses to determine what contributes to coral disintegration." Woo hoo!
- Mickey Schafer
myUFL - https://my.ufl.edu/ps... -- the front page to UF's private network features a link to vivo "There's a new way for researchers to network and collaborate at UF" -- http://vivo.ufl.edu/
Okay -- unless I am missing something really obvious, this so-called "networking" and "collaboration" tool doesn't even allow you to mark the people/pages that you are interested in! I find no way of creating groups, a "people of interest" file, nothing. I can find none of the simplest tools for social interaction. I am currently on the page of someone in "clinical and transformational research informatics", thinking what a great find this person is considering I was just playing around with links, but there's no box to check, no way to do anything other than bookmark the page. What a freaking waste of $$!!
- Mickey Schafer
Last week, I watched 4 kids (2 of whom were mine) play Nintendo DS together using 3 machines. They were not using the wireless gaming function; instead, they were passing the consoles and different games back and forth, to whomever had the best chance of beating that level. I saw no signs of jealousy or competition -- just 4 kids huddled together.
And here is what I wondered: were they cheating, or were they making use of available resources to their best advantage?
- Mickey Schafer
at UF, our student honor policy states the "unauthorized collaboration" is cheating. I am puzzled by the word "collaboration" in this policy. I saw kids openly collaborating to everyone's advantage, making use of individual strengths. Yes, it can be argued that they were not learning to play the game better as individuals; but that POV seems so "not the point".
- Mickey Schafer
And, as I think about this, "Walt Crawford" is not my "real name"--that is, it's not the name on my driver's license, passport or airline tickets. (There's a missing "er" and perhaps a missing "C." for sticklers.) She makes excellent points.
- Walt Crawford
Fine. But by what constitutional or divine right are users entitled to circumvent the rules of a platform not their own? Google established the ground rules for their limited field trial when users responded to an invitation. If you joined the trial, you were going to have to allow your profile to be made public and you were asked politely to use your real name. If you can't agree to...
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- Jill O'Neill
When I said "excellent points" I didn't say "and I agree 100%." Google is, of course, entitled to make their own rules ("limited field trial" is an amusing term for 25 million members)--but others are entitled to grouse about them. I *am* saying (as she is) that "real name" is a tricky concept.
- Walt Crawford
You're right. It is tricky and many of us use diminutives or shortened versions of our given names. But where do we acknowledge the right of a private organization to set boundaries? (And no sooner do I say that, then my memory goes back to the cases of women breaking down prejudicial barriers to membership in mens' clubs back in the seventies and eighties. We didn't allow those private...
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- Jill O'Neill
I'm clearly missing something here. Most people criticizing business decisions by private organizations don't begin by saying "Of course, it's perfectly within X's right to do this..."--they criticize. Unless someone's calling for government intervention to require Google to allow pseudonyms, this is no different: Google's doing something people don't like and they're criticizing Google for it. (Actually, the post you link to *explicitly* says Google is within its rights.)
- Walt Crawford
Most particularly, I don't read the last paragraph of that article as being sympathetic to Google. The author says that Google is within its rights, but that the insistence on real names is burning through the good will of netizens who might otherwise be happy to embrace the platform. The tone of the piece suggests that by insisting on compliance, Google is shooting itself in the foot...
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- Jill O'Neill
I signed a re-fi on my mortgage on Monday which included a page attesting that I am the person referred to be a variety of names, one of which was my legally given name, and the rest variants of that name and the first name I use, "Mickey". The broker stated that the financing company runs web searches to find all possible variants used. At work, our IT department knows me as "Mickey"...
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- Mickey Schafer
Mickey, like you I use a nickname. Few people in the information community have any idea of my legal name; my employers of course have it but if that name were to be called out in a ballroom of 200 people from this sector, there would be scads of people who would be surprised when I walked up to the front of the room. I use Jill for both personal and professional interactions and expect...
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- Jill O'Neill
Yes, though "harder" can be defined in a couple of ways. First, it can means stiffer bristles. Second, it can be a toothbrush whose actions are "harder" b/c of something it does, such as spin or vibrate. The experience using it feels harder even if the bristles are not.
- Mickey Schafer
I love the concept of making money with principles -- I can buy that, and sell that personally as well.
- Mickey Schafer
love the idea: medicine is a generalists profession -- or something like that!
- Mickey Schafer
LOVE THIS: not once did he mention "external funding" -- it was all about individuals making principled decisions about how to invest their intelligence. What an awesome way to start the morning:-).
- Mickey Schafer
"After spending a tremendous amount of time fighting and pursuing all the cheating cases, I decided that it makes no sense to fight it. The incentive structures simply do not reward such efforts. The Nash equilibrium is to let the students cheat and "perform well"; in exchange, I get back great evaluations."
- Björn Brembs
from Bookmarklet
Maybe the problem is in the creating of assignments for which it is so easy to cheat?
- Todd Hoff
This is exactly what I find, too: "One interesting observation: Almost all cheating happened within groups with cultural ties. Koreans copy from Koreans. Indians from Indians. Greeks from Greeks. Jews from Jews. Chinese from Chinese. Not just in international students (we do not have that many in the undergrad program), but within US-born students. A result of socializing in similar...
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- Mickey Schafer
Todd -- that is a lovely idea, and certainly we can work on making assignments more difficult to cheat on, but it is also impractical. First, if a student is going to learn to write a science paper, then s/he has to write a science paper. Learning about the process doesn't work; the student must write. Second, there's good evidence that writing about something increases understanding --...
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- Mickey Schafer
And the extra prep still cannot resolve the problem that Turnitin cannot address: that in the sciences, technical jargon has no synonyms, quoting is discouraged/avoided, grammatical paraphrasing is so limited as to be worthless, meaning that students cannot merely be taught not to plagiarize: they have to be taught how to deal with information like a practicing scientist deals with...
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- Mickey Schafer
Yes, I was quite surprised when I went back to it the next day and it wasn't there... does anyone know why he took it down?
- Allyson Lister
Very strange indeed - and such a useful post. One can only assume the university asked him to? Mickey raises the exact points I was thinking about when reading the post. There is definitely room for improvement in terms of making plagiarism more difficult, but it's impossible to avoid it completely.
- Björn Brembs
I'm astonished that anyone is surprised the post disappeared. My first thought on reading it was, he'll get fired for this. It's probably too public now for him to lose his job, but I expect him to face more punishment/reprisal of the invidious sort that he described in the post. Make no mistake, universities are businesses now, the students are customers, and they are buying imprimatur, NOT education.
- Bill Hooker
I predict that he'll ultimately restore the post but modified so it'll be harder to identify individual students. Not that I thought it was that easy to do that before, but I think that'll be the thing they'll make him do.
- John Dupuis
That's the (bogus) hook on which they are hanging the legal threat, certainly. I doubt the post will go back up, because no one actually cares about violations of student privacy (even if they did happen in that post, which they didn't). The university admin cares about the blot on its public copybook, the open airing of one of its dirty little DADT secrets. It's no surprise to anyone...
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- Bill Hooker
Thank you Chris Miller for the link to your cache of the original posting. As the reaction was coming out I was sharing it with members of the Fac Sen Council here at NYU, as well as others. Almost all found it a compelling read. Speaking for myself I hope it might engender a wider and constructive discussion here. I am chagrined at the takedown of the post.
- carolh
I am likewise distressed by the higher ed post linked by John. We've had a special task force at UF looking at cheating in general; I was in one of the focus groups. My impression was that cheating was well-known, actively despised, but the solutions come up against the most precious resource: time. Research profs, particularly those at the beginning of their careers, were overwhelmed...
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- Mickey Schafer
30 minute discussion with Don Tapscott on Talk of the Nation. Well-worth your listen. "We need to move toward a collaborative model of learning that's student focused, [that's] highly customized and that is a model appropriate for a new generation that learns differently," says Tapscott. He warns that universities are ignoring the changing needs and desires of young people — and they're doing so at their own peril.
- Heather Braum
I'm sorry, but I heard the first five minutes, and Tapscott had so many universalisms, unsourced assertions and other Tapscottisms that I had to turn it off.
- Walt Crawford
There seems to be a ridiculous assumption that b/c students hook up in groups on FB, they are somehow super-trained in group communication. As someone who works every semester with really smart students, I can attest to the opposite: they require as much training in group work as any of us from the dark, pre-digital ages did. I've also watched as my kids get put into groups for...
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- Mickey Schafer