"The healthcare debate has gotten so weird, I think it’s time someone (I guess me) says what’s actually going on. I do not presume to have the answers to all of these problems (well, actually I think I have most of it figured out) but all I mean to do is share what appears to be happening. It is bizarre. Let’s start simple."
- Miguel Caetano
"the sanctity of the free market is in some ways more important than the health of the nation’s people."
- Miguel Caetano
This is why intellectual property is way more important than people think. If you restrain the ability of patenting lifesaving medication those monopolies and oligopolies all go crumbling down.
- Miguel Caetano
"My generation would like to break up with you. Everyday, I see a widening gap in how you and we understand the world — and what we want from it. I think we have irreconcilable differences. You wanted big, fat, lazy "business." We want small, responsive, micro-scale commerce. You turned politics into a dirty word. We want authentic, deep democracy — everywhere."
- Hayk H.
from Bookmarklet
All this gaming of followers stuff is alien to me. I understand it's about marketing but at the end of the day, if you don't have real people really interested in something you are doing, what's the point? You might as well do things that you love doing, you'll get more satisfaction in the end.
- TDavid
Social media are no different from drugs... used responsibly they can widen your perspective, enhance your experience, change your life. Used irresponsibly they can lead you down a path of self absorption, wanton self destruction, and ruin your life.
- Michael Turro
How else was he going to generate the pageviews?
- coldbrew
so RSS is *un*dead? braiiins. :) I'm sure you've encountered the same thing, but I don't think RSS will ever be consumer tech in it's raw (RSS reader) form. It was destined from the beginning to be plumbing.
- mikepk
I used to describe it as the defacto web data API. Perfect? no, but darn useful.
- mikepk
wow, thats great. Would like to know more about it through one of your blog posts
- Sampad Swain
Yeah, electricity is dead as well -- I don't see anywhere!
- Jorge Escobar
You know since Steve was adopting a musical theme, I went looking, and I haven't found it yet. I think it's on the Love You Live album where Mick Jagger responds to some people carrying on in the audience with a dismissive even derisive "Everything okay in the critics section?" He has a picture of the Beatles, they did some great music, but RSS is more like the Stones, rough and dirty. But it rocks.
- Dave Winer
If RSS is dead I must be in heaven - 722 feeds and rising.
- Michael Turro
I can feel the shift, I also just made mention of RSS feeling different now with TWITTER and other real time aggregators on my account @mattaphillips
- Matthew
Not sure what the big deal is about sponsorship + disclosure, since it's a successful model in the sciences (cue drama about Big Pharma). Ultimately it's about trust, and if you don't trust the companies and persons involved, then no amount of disclosure is going to assuage that. If you're willing to go along with disclosed relationships, then it'll work for you. But please, let's drop the Rousseauean sentimentality about purity of motives (not saying you're doing all this, Chris).
- Heather
this is an excellent blog entry. The key takeaway is "Society doesn’t need newspapers. What we need is journalism." which I absolutely agree with. I'm not sure what the future model will look like, but there needs to be _something_.
- Brian Johns
"When reality is labeled unthinkable, it creates a kind of sickness in an industry. Leadership becomes faith-based, while employees who have the temerity to suggest that what seems to be happening is in fact happening are herded into Innovation Departments, where they can be ignored en masse. This shunting aside of the realists in favor of the fabulists has different effects on different industries at different times. One of the effects on the newspapers is that many of their most passionate defenders are unable, even now, to plan for a world in which the industry they knew is visibly going away."
- Miguel Caetano
"It’s not a great depression, neither is it a great recession we’re going through now. At the Brite conference this week, Umair Haque called it a great “compression,” as an economy built on perceived value reconciles with actual value. This morning, The New York Times finally realized that what we’re experiencing is more than a financial crisis: “Job Losses Hint at Vast Remaking of Economy.” Well, yes, if hints were sledgehammers."
- Mike Reynolds
So in summary it is definitely something, we are desperately trying to identify it but we aren't there yet and next week it will be called a new term. This is known as a process which will lead to growth..
- Riaz Kanani
I don't care if you fake follow me. I don't define myself by who follows me, but I define myself by who +I+ follow! I follow smart people who teach me things and put interesting stuff in my view. If you stop, or prove to be a jerk or a troll, then I'll just unsubscribe.
All I can say to that is, you better enjoy a lot of good German brews while you're there. It's non-sequitor, and that is what you should expect from me.
- Pete Delucchi
Wait. Isn't Robert Scoble just Alex Scoble's older brother?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Pete, the correct spelling is "Mississippi." And Robert, "The Metro" and "Take My Breath Away" are really good songs. And I think you'd agree that the content that you obtain from your subscribees is more important than your subscribee count. It's a content game, not a numbers game.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Akiva: yup, Alex is my younger brother. You can't really blame him for how he is. I used to beat him up. Of course, he gave me my issues with authority. He told mom. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Pete: Rocky already found a bar that has hundreds of beers. I have a feeling we'll be seen there once or twice between now and Sunday.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, he seems to be doing all right so far!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Great example of being quality-centered instead of market-centered... do what you love and a market will find you...
- Justin Long
@Akiva, yeah, robert scoble uses his last name to get by on alex's gig.
- Morgan Warstler
Akiva- You are the man...that's the funniest stuff I've seen since the whole Korn of the Blog thing.
- Alex Scoble
@Pete - I just want you to know that your non sequitur above ended up inspiring dozens of non sequiturs on FriendFeed this evening. I hope you're Melvin about that.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
That's one of the many things I like about FriendFeed: how many people follow you isn't displayed at the top level. I hope that doesn't change. I think a lot of people on Twitter (and other social networks) only obsess over their followers/friends just because everyone else can see it. I also think that's why a lot of people don't like FriendFeed... you've got to give substance to get substance.
- Paul Reynolds
@Ontario I've stopped shaking my fist, just so you know.
- Pete Delucchi
Agreed - I don't think I'll ever "fake follow". I'd rather just unsubscribe - those I follow I try to pay attention to.
- Jesse Stay
How does one 'fake follow' a person? Is it hard? Is it fun? Can I do it?
- Michael Moran
I agree with you Robert as I don't see any valid reason for me as an individual to fake follow anyone!
- Joe Dawson
Yeah @robert, how or whats "fake follow" ?
- Arjun
Agree on this, though I think from a feature perspective it's a smart one!
- Vinodh Nandakumar
NEW (February 25): Of course two weeks ago I started auto following again. Why? Cause Direct Messaging on Twitter is broken. But here on friendfeed I have a different philosophy. I am using lists to follow specific people and segregate those out from other people. So I can keep the geeks who talk tech separate from my brother, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
That said, I assume everyone is smart until they prove otherwise. :-)
- Robert Scoble
i just wish people would stop talking about following in general :P
- Terry O'Fee
This would have more credibility now Robert if you protested the capping of manual follows at 2000 until you get followers of that number and can move on now. You got to autofollow with abandon; today normal people are capped on manual follows. Unfair.
- Prokofy Neva
Holy hell, this thread is 6 months old!
- coldbrew
I would agree with Garin, followers/following is not important, but discussion is. BTW, Loic is very good a starting this type of arguments (must be his French side).
- Jeremy Chone
This level of necrophilia is just gross dude. Internet threads are not fine cheeses.
- Matthew DeVries
dont worry, matt. there's about five or six conversations of the same discussion now.
- Terry O'Fee
I feel like I should invite friends over and serve wines with threads like this "tonight, we'll be sampling a 2003 SA thread about iPods, a 2007 flickr thread about EXIF data, and something really special a 1994 ISCA BBS thread about where the clitoris is"
- Matthew DeVries
lol - I really enjoy your posts and convo - I learn many things - and thanks for the laughs too : )
- Mark Harai
I'd respond to this thread but necro-posting creates zombie threads and zombie threads eat Brrraaaiiinnnnsss! :P
- MarkCarras
Robert you have alot to teach and you seem teachable also-sign of a good journalist.
- earlewallace
"Even Twitter, the raging rocket of growth that it is, is not as open as we'd like it to be, not even close. But I can create any number of accounts on Twitter, and build my own little universe there and publish with all the tools available to Ev, Biz and Jack. If the Times wants to play in that game, and I'd like them to -- it needs to be possible for me to compete with my heroes Frank Rich and Paul Krugman, and make the ones I don't like so much (names withheld) look like the asshats they are."
- Dave Winer
from Bookmarklet
That would be really incredible to see, but the Times and companies like them are so caught up in being on a stage they have no idea the audience is even out there - let alone capable of singing.
- Michael Turro
It will happen eventually. Only question imho is will it happen in time to do any good. Will anyone be reading when it happens, will their taking down the wall mean anything.
- Dave Winer
I wonder if the real issue is that most of the time designers simply don’t know if what they’re building is great, and they end up relying on process to get as far as they can. If they go through the right process, they think, then they’ll produce maybe not the best solution, but the best solution possible. This may be true…and it is comforting, in a way, because if you feel like you are doing it right then you can sleep soundly.
- Mark Trapp
Good design is like good anything - a mystery. If we could replicate something great at will it would loose it's status as great and quickly devolve into the ordinary.
- Michael Turro
Awesome perspective by Marc on how Facebook's status updates are actually a proactive move towards a more open social graph, which is something we haven't seen (yet) from Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I think Marc is wrong. But if he had said it hurts friendfeed, I might agree. Twitter is different than facebook and I don't see this hurting Twitter at all. If anything it helps Twitter since now facebook can post out to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I see your point, but I think if Iain or Bear or similar developers were to integrate Facebook status updates into their existing "status clients", you would see people slowly use Facebook more and Twitter less. I still think Facebook has a way to go on this if they are trying to enter Twitter's space, but I think the threat is definitely there.
- Jesse Stay
I think, if Facebook really wants to compete (not sure if they do or don't ), they need to provide a way for users to "follow" the information a person has marked public on Facebook without the other having to follow them back. For the private information you would have to friend the individual and fit within their privacy settings.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I disagree because of the other limitations of Facebook (and difficult to use interface). First, can you aggregate everything 100 people do on Facebook together? No. Can you follow a celebrity on Facebook like Stephen Fry, like you can do on Twitter? No.
- Robert Scoble
Actually, this is already somewhat available on Facebook via the API - see http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.... They need to just add a user's status to the set of default info provided to an application for a user (assuming it's available via their privacy settings)
- Jesse Stay
I'm with Robert, Facebook has the constraints of networks and accepted "friendships," whereas Twitter democratizes conversations -- anybody on Twitter can potentially converse with anybody else. BUT, it does appear that the new additions to the API aim to open the conversation outside of Facebook.
- Jeremy Peronto
Jeremy, they are not completely public on Facebook, *yet*. In the API, I must authenticate as each user in order to obtain their status messages. I'm asking them right now about not requiring a session key for the user if they have privacy settings to allow such. If that happens, it's a completely open conversation, regardless of friendship.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook is like AOL was in the early 90s. A closed network. It is good to see some open APIs, etc. coming out of FB but it is essentially a closed model. With that said, I was happy to implement Facebook Connect on my blog so commenters can use their FB credentials to post.
- Kenley Neufeld
Kenley, that's what Marc's arguing - Twitter is more a comparison to AOL than Facebook. You do not own your relationships or data on Twitter. Everything is Twitter's there - I can't follow you on Twitter from another network, nor vice-versa (without hacks). Facebook is at least trying to make efforts in this direction through things like Facebook Connect and elsewhere. They're all about ensuring it gets done right though. Having talked to them personally, I believe that's their intention.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I never said that conversations were open on Facebook...I said the exact opposite, but that I thought that Facebook was aiming to make the conversation more open with the new API additions. And just as a side-note, I don't think Facebook users are going to be thrilled once they figure out exactly what the new changes to the API mean. Facebook users crave privacy and "friendships" and throw a fit anytime the site opens up a little bit more.
- Jeremy Peronto
Jesse - I follow people on Twitter through Friendfeed. And respond to them through FF. That's not a hack, or is it?
- Nick in Manila
Nick, the problem there is that Twitter still owns your SocialGraph. With OMB and sites like Identi.ca that socialgraph ports across any social network that supports OMB. Facebook is slowly moving in that direction with Facebook Connect and allowing you to link your site's contacts with Facebook contacts, but they're not quite there yet. Twitter doesn't even touch that.
- Jesse Stay
I feel the same way about Alex Rodriguez and steroids. Why are we still so immature (and hypocritical - viagra?) when it comes to drug use?
- Michael Turro
Techdirt: The NY Times Magazine is running a well worth reading (if long) article on the question of what sort of efforts are needed by the government to help "save" the economy. While almost anyone (myself included) will find points worth quibbling about in the article, there's a lot of good points made that are worth reflecting on in more detail. The ... Permalink
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Our Wordpress plugin will establish relationships with anyone who has written a compatible plugin. Anyone could run our plugin if they wish, and utilize the Marc’s Voice 4.0 instantiation of PeopleAggregator, but what I ASSUME/HOPE folks will do is write their OWN plugins. So Chris Messina would create his own plugin with a Ruby-on-Rails framework, while Joseph Smarr would simply extend Plaxo, while Angus Logan and Dare Obasanjo would whip up an Windows Live interface ricocheting off of Live Mesh and David Recordon would get his SixApart dude to write a perl module for Moveable Type.
- ben barren
Financial records show that the Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than 150,000 dollars on clothes for vice presidential pick Sarah Palin, Politico reported. The Republicans' main campaign and fundraising organ spent tens of thousands at high-end stores, such as Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York (49,425 dollars) and Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis (75,062 dollars), the Politico website said. The RNC also spent 4,716 dollars on hair and makeup through September.
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
These elections are gonna be a clothe call...
- Bill Sodeman
Nice you can see that deep into their financial accounts. Not sure if this is possible here, most probably not.
- Tibor Holoda
Come on guys....that's clothing for 8 WHOLE WEEKS of outfits...plus she has to wear clother EVERY DAY. It's only a budget of $2600 per day.
- Chris Nixon
150,000 USD and the result is spotting here with donkeys all around her neck. Very impressive. I wonder if they spend a million, what would Sarah Palin look like then?
- Hayk H.
"campaign accessories," is how the cost was itemized by RNC. I am wondering if regular folks from big towns, who are not real Americans can take a leaf from the RNC and use a similar category called "Consultant accessories," when they file their annual taxes? We sure do need a tax break and this will help:-)
- kamla bhatt
@Paul Are you kidding me? I'm from a small town, and I don't spend even a few hundred on my clothes... If I had 150k, I'd pay off my house...
- Danielle Closs
$2,600 a day? I don't spend that in a whole year! Then again, I'll be the first to admit my frugality when it comes to clothes. As it all comes from third-world sweatshops these days, I go for the least expensive. Faded Glory jeans at around $10 a pair last me a few years, why spend more?
- Ian May
When you make being "real" or "blue collar" a central part of your image - and you lambaste your opponent as being "elite" with "San Francisco values" and feast on made up stories about the Waldorf-Astoria, caviar and lobster - then this is exactly the kind of thing that can and should come back to bite you in your big fat beauty queen ass.
- Michael Turro
yes but Obama is a liberal elite who isn't trying to pretend he's just an ordinary American with "small town values" whatever that means.
- Victor Ganata
It's like shooting fish in a barrel now (or wolves from a helicopter), isn't it? What a cartoon of a vice presidential candidate.
- Chris Baskind
lol . . . it takes $150k to make that woman look decent, lmao
- Lindsey is Fierce!
you can guarantee the gop talking heads would have a field day if the shoe was on the other foot. her washington outsider/politician of the people act is a fraud, and not just because of this. check this article i posted yesterday on how she moved up through the ranks and became mccain's choice: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Cee Bee
I don't ever give ANY political organization any contribution, so I don't care who spends what. I'm just amazed that anyone wants to spend that much on clothes. Period.
- Ian May
@Craig: Name 5 items that show Obama's "socialist agenda". And raising the tax rate from 36% to 39% doesn't count since, even at 39%, it is still historically low.
- AJ Kohn
But still way too high - but needed to support the big overbloated system of government that BOTH candidates support.
- Ian May
what's pathetic is that people have been duped into believing that there is such a thing as a socialist agenda in obama's plans. the present democratic party is yesterday's republican party. slightly right of center.
- Cee Bee
If John Edward's $1,000 worth of haircuts can be made into an issue by GOP pundits, then $150K on clothes is certainly in play. It's all in play now.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Agree with Cee Bee. Ralph Nader is much nearer to a socialist candidate than Obama ever is.
- Ian May
@Cee Bee: Yes! It's why I am now asking those who toss 'socialism' into the mix to ID specific items that support that statement. Frankly, it seems like a word exchange: 'socialism' is the new 'liberal'.
- AJ Kohn
Craig, fine, then the US has been socialist since at least 1913. You may want to reconsider your definition. There have been higher tax rates than 39% under Republican presidents.
- LogEx
@Craig: I'm familiar with the definition. Still waiting for actual platform and issues that show any of this for Obama. I assume by taxing the rich you mean the increase in the top tax bracket to 39%. By this measure the US has been a socialist state for approximately 80% of the time in the last century.
- AJ Kohn
Actually, no, Craig. Obama has not said that he intends to " 'punish' the rich and 'redistribute wealth' ", or anything like it. His position on all these issues is well documented, an the right is going to have a hard time trying to win just by lying.
- Darius Dunlap
@Craig, don't try to change the subject to policy. This is about character. Palin and McCain are fatcats, pure and simple.
- j1m
@Darius: +1. @Craig: Arguments based on non-documented and future, fear based assumptions are specious.
- AJ Kohn
Socialism - you keep using that word - I do not think it means what you think it means.
- Michael Turro
Ahhh, another well-worn, but failing, tactic of the right... accuse your opponent of that which you are guilty. I happen to think the hoo-ha about Palin's travel wardrobe is silly, but people can make that assessment themselves. Your assertion that Obama wants to "punish the rich... etc." is simply false.
- Darius Dunlap
OK - finally a definition of socialism - and it has absolutely nothing to do with any plan Obama as put together. So I guess we're left with extrapolation of what he MIGHT do - by that standard I guess McCain is an anarchist? But then he supports a government buy in of privately owned banks... so maybe he's socialist too?
- Michael Turro
The only thing close to socialism these days is the privatization of banks, or more specifically, their "toxic assets". And that was caused by republican policies allowing unprecendented leverage in the securities markets.
- Darius Dunlap
You're not offending me at all - I just think you need to apply that same rigorous extrapolation of probability to McCain/Palin, no? And do you disagree that having an even distribution of wealth rather than a top heavy, failure prone distribution is a good thing? Have not some of the best economic booms in this country's history come when we used a fair and progressive tax structure? Do you enjoy seeing poverty?
- Michael Turro
Agreed - entitled to rewards - no doubt - but don't those same people who benefit not purely from their own hard work, but from the hard work of others - who utilize the commons to their benefit - don't they owe anything back? Or do they exist in some kind of vacuum of personal responsibility where they just create wealth all by themselves?
- Michael Turro
We have a progressive system now - have had one for a real long time - not seeing this "disincentive" you speak of.
- Michael Turro
The progressive tax system is also used to reward and encourage certain things, like investment and home ownership. As I move up in the income ranges, I'm encouraged to reinvest, first in a home and the market and then in expanding my business. There is no disincentive to success.
- Darius Dunlap
@Craig Enjoyed the back and forth - condolences of the loss. I don't think that the idea behind progressive tax structure is "to make people feel better because someone better off than they are getting what they deserve" - I think it's to help those who are having a hard time making ends meat - those who are struggling to put gas in their cars so they can get to the factory to build the products that get sold for huge profits and in turn fund the hard working, personally responsible folks in the c-suite
- Michael Turro
You can't seriously believe that a progressive tax system is a socialist idea. Even Adam Smith thought that it's a good idea. Michael explains it exactly right. If you tax the lower and middle class as much as you tax the rich, then you encourage poverty and you make being on welfare more attractive. I can't believe that anyone would ever say, please don't give me more money, I don't want to be in a higher tax bracket! There are such things as deductions, you know.
- Victor Ganata
OMG... showed that to Jason and he said "SWEET!" Spot the children who grew up in the 80s.
- Cyndy
Still at my parents place (from one of my younger brothers) , grandkids ( now 15-28) still play with it. Wasn't there a baseball one as well?
- Brian Sullivan
My brother had a football game with a green outer shell. It was more a one player game. This one was for head to head. I remember having a few of those old Nintendo Game & Watch games too. We may have gotten rid of them in a garage sale years ago.
- Rodfather
Coleco games I think? Anybody ever own an "Adam"?
- Brian Sullivan
It is based upon what was re-released as Mattel Classic Football (and the green case was Football II) They even had a keychain version =) also baseball, basketball, and car racing. http://linkfeed.com/am...
- RAD Moose