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Michael Barton
Are there any existing solutions for creating a generic DNA sequence database with a website front end? - http://stackoverflow.com/questio...
I was thinking of creating my own as a Ruby on Rails engine to hook into the lab's existing site. I don't want to reinvent the wheel though. - Michael Barton
instead of implementing your blast search on the server side, why about creating a web services to search and retrieve the sequences and then, people can submit it to whatever they want (taverna...) - Pierre Lindenbaum
Like create a web service, then wrap the webservice API in a website front end? - Michael Barton
Your web site would propose a set of web services: just like the NCBI (e-utils). Then people do whatever they want with your data. But you can also write with some interactive HTML forms. I like this idea of "generic DNA sequence database". - Pierre Lindenbaum
That's a good idea. It's what Neil was talking about on his blog this morning, about having a good API to bioinformatics web services. - Michael Barton
BioMart? - Paulo Nuin
I like the idea of a simple, generic database with web front-end that supports storing structured data, versioning it, searching it, and plugging in analysis tools (which might run local or remote via whatever API). - Eric Jain
Eric ... wouldn't we all. Doesn't happen too often though - Deepak Singh
@Paulo BioMart looks like a good option. GMOD was suggested in the answers on stack overflow. I think these would both have good APIs. - Michael Barton
There's several GMOD components which may help here, lots of wheels so probably no need to reinvent any. See overview at http://gmod.org/wiki/Overview, more specifically a couple of relevant bits are Tripal (Drupal front end to a Chado db http://gmod.org/wiki/Tripal), and GMODweb (http://gmod.org/wiki/GMODWeb) - 'Mummi' Thorisson
we had started on a similar venture way back and using the Gmod tools and a rails frontend. http://rubyforge.org/project... - george
'Mummi' Thorisson
Fwd: CrossRef joins ORCID initiative: Open Researcher & Contributor ID - http://www.crossref.org/01compa... (via http://friendfeed.com/mrgunn...)
"CrossRef is pleased to announce that it will be participating in the recently launched Open Researcher and Contributor ID (ORCID) initiative to create an unambiguous identifier for scholarly and professional researchers. Our members will be aware that CrossRef has been exploring the possibility of creating an “author DOI” or “contributor ID” system. In doing so, it has become clear that the issues and use-cases involved in identifying researchers span a broad collection of stakeholders including libraries, institutions, funders, publishers and, of course researchers themselves. In short, this is not primarily “a publisher problem.” As such, we believe that the ORCID approach to creating an inclusive and open organization representing all the stakeholders in the scholarly communications process represents the best chance of creating a successful contributor identification system" - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Absolutely fantastic news on the researcher/contributor ID front! - 'Mummi' Thorisson
For those who are new to the topic, this has has been discussed extensively on FF before and elsewhere. Couple of links which may be helpful for background reading: A specialist OpenID service to provide unique researcher IDs? http://ff.im/GbM8 http://blog.openwetware.org/science... http://network.nature.com/people... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Finally, it was about time! Good. - Björn Brembs
Am I allowed to be amused that we're IDing orcs? Many logos suggest themselves... - D0r0th34
But of course, D0r0th34! what else could this possibly be about!! !? :) [BTW apologies to fellow FriendFeeders who are not also Tolkien-fans and do not find this amusing at all.. ] - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Mmmkay, so now we have ORCID. Where do I sign up and claim my papers? - Björn Brembs
+1 D0r0th34 Maybe if you're lucky, they'll figure out a way to offload most of the workload to librarians ;-) - Mr. Gunn
Funny thing about that. I spent a lot of last week fixing initial-only names in the repo. - D0r0th34
+1 Björn, except I'm not so eager to sign up if it means letting people know that I'm an orc. :-) - Ruchira S. Datta
Mr. Gunn
An anonymous source has informed me that the ASCB has banned “replication of data” by visitors, but has presented Twitter as the poster child of conference data... - http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009...
Sad, just sad - Deepak Singh
"forms of communication involving replication of data" - pretty much invalidates the entire conference? - Neil Saunders
I wonder if people are allowed to talk - Deepak Singh from IM
Natural selection in action. Either another set of organizers, or another conference, will take over as this one dies off. - Bill Hooker
What is the point of scientific conferences again? - 'Mummi' Thorisson
What was the point in science again? - Cameron Neylon
What was the point of life again? [descending into pessimism...and trip to the pub] - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Bill, another source reports that attendance seems way off this year from what it has been in the past. - Mr. Gunn
As I see it, the problem is one of copyright. All the biologists I know (and to a degree, myself included) are alright with presenting pre-publication data at a conference as long as it isn't digitally recorded or disseminated. If there were a way to enforce "first presentation rights", less people would worry about getting scooped and be more willing to share unpublished data. - Walter Jessen
It'd be nice if the talk were publicly available, either during or very soon after the talk. Then, this public record, combined with the tweets, blogs, etc. would provide pretty good evidence of who did the work and presented it first. At least for me it would. Even as it stands now, though, if scooping is a worry, it seems to me that allowing the audience to tweet & blog will make it... more... - Steve Koch
Walter, you might be right, but surely it has been disseminated in the form of conference abstract prior to someone tweeting about it. If they have copyright concerns, they're simply not understanding things. - Mr. Gunn
I disagree - abstracts are much different than data. I like Steve's idea .. let's get the status quo to swing in the opposite direction and make everything publicly available following conferences and meetings. - Walter Jessen
what is so harmful about having your research referenced by another? if it is cited, it can bring attention and acclaim to the original. if it is not properly cited, then that is itself the problem - Mike Chelen
Cameron Neylon
Nearly final version of collaborative proposal for a lightweight data management framework for submission in next few days.
Crud - sorry for the re-post folks, there was something in that version that shouldn't have been (and if anyone's downloaded the file and figured out what it is I'd appreciate it if you didn't spread it around - some details to be ironed out yet) - Cameron Neylon
darn. now I wish I'd downloaded it! *curious* - D0r0th34
Object lesson in not trying to bowdlerize documents too late at night. And that it is so much easier when _everything_ is public. But its not my thing to make public as yet...and no, I'm not moving jobs :-) - Cameron Neylon
We're thinking along similar lines to this (without Wave as yet) and trying to generate interest in Aus for a linkup with Jeremy Frey/PMR. Cameron if you wanted a remote experimental Chemistry partner let me know - our open science project officially starts tomorrow (!) for 3 years, so we'll start to generate data in Sydney we want to share. - Matthew Todd
Cool, JGF mentioned he'd been talking to you and I meant to follow up. If you're up for writing a letter of support that your interested in the project that would be very cool. I can do the same obviously for anything going in on your side. The more (diversity) the merrier, although we can't stump up for endless disk space for everyone so we might need to find a re-charging mechanism if... more... - Cameron Neylon
Sure, OK. Could you email me an address for the letter? m.todd@chem.usyd.edu.au. Data would be small size but lots of little files - mainly NMR/IR/MS. I'm guessing what you're proposing though would need installation of a little software on local computers attached to spectrometers. The institutional inertia is the problem there. - Matthew Todd
Yes, there has to be a widget installed on the computer from which the file gets copied one way or another and this could clearly be a problem in many cases. But one problem at a time. - Cameron Neylon
Side musing: How long does it take a researcher using method X to generate 1Tb of data? In microimaging, this may easily be a day, and some particle or astrophysics may be even faster. - Daniel Mietchen
Not long in many cases - images stack up pretty quickly. - Cameron Neylon
Looking good, Cameron, albeit judging from a really quick skim-through. Makes me want to work on this, in fact. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
I don't get out of bed for less than 1TB per day. An impending deluge of >1 PB that I'll have to manage does give me sleepless nights though :) - Dan Hagon
By the way - is AtomPub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) being considered for publishing & editing web resources via a Atom store back end? I don't know much about the Amazon cloud storage and apparently can't be asked to find out (!). RSS/Atom is a nobrainer for monitoring for updates obviously. But is content create/update perhaps all supposed to be done via Wave / XMPP? - 'Mummi' Thorisson
One practical issue which might be important to clarify is whether or not you'll be able to develop the Wave components on a local Wave federation server and/or robot server (I forget the exact terms used in the draft spec.). If you're looking at wave for rapid prototyping, especially of robots, having these in place from the start could be crucial to how far and how fast the you can get with the tools you intend to develop. - Dan Hagon
@Matthew interested to see how you get on; We've put our undergrad OS lab on hold, but my projects(equivalent to honours)/postgrads are waving whether they like it or not (and actually most of them seem to like it so far :>) - Anna Croft
@Mummi, AtomPub is an obvious approach but we don't want to tie ourselves down in advance. Certainly most likely contender so I should put it in though. @Dan, almost certainly on the central Wave server, which does mean we may end up with a performance hit I admit. Assuming that increases in performance combined with these being small waves in most cases will mean things are ok.... more... - Cameron Neylon
And I think this is the final version: Form here http://dl.dropbox.com/u... Case for support: http://dl.dropbox.com/u... Impact statement: http://dl.dropbox.com/u... - Cameron Neylon
That's had various bits taken out of it, specifically support from commercial partners and the financial details, as well as the names of suggested referees. - Cameron Neylon
....and its gone! - Cameron Neylon
'Mummi' Thorisson
One giant leap for Taverna: workflow: workflow construction workbench used by NASA's JPL in WS-infrastructure - http://www.omii.ac.uk/wiki...
"NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) created the first American satellite and are now using Taverna for their Web Services-based infrastructure.[..] One of the challenges faced by the research team is the integration of various models that are used to explore the science behind the JPL’s missions. These models have been developed independently and run on different platforms, so their integration is not straightforward. The JPL’s solution is to wrap each model as a Web Service and drive them with a Web Services-enabled workflow." [From the OMII-UK newsletter: http://www.omii.ac.uk/wiki...] - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Rocket Science? - Duncan Hull
'Mummi' Thorisson
Icelandic genomics firm goes bankrupt - http://www.nature.com/news...
"deCODE's demise leaves fate of its valuable genetic database unclear. After struggling financially for years, the genomics company deCODE, based in Reykjavik, Iceland, filed for bankruptcy on 16 November. The question now is whether other companies looking to commercialize genomics will follow the same path" - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Things looking gloomier than ever for my ex-employer back in the home country. :( - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Coverage from the Genetic Future blog: http://scienceblogs.com/genetic... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
'Mummi' Thorisson
Fwd: The Climate Modeling Leak: Code and Data Generating Published Results Must be Open and Facilitate Reproducibility - http://blog.stodden.net/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/cameron...)
Yeah, I think I heard about that. Isn't that what they call science? That whole thing where you observe, guess, experiment, speculate, experment again, until you can reproduce results consistently and then you tell someone else who does the same thing with your data? - Aaron Kendrick
So I've heard! :! - 'Mummi' Thorisson
No. science is where you do what you can get funded which absolutely does not include replication checking or audits. None of which generate nature papers - Cameron Neylon from Android
'Mummi' Thorisson
they should have sequenced the money tree first :) (obviously a flippant comment) - Frank
"The world's most valued plant database faces extinction because its funding is being phased out by the US National Science Foundation (NSF), and no alternative source is on the horizon. [..] The NSF has suggested that TAIR develop its own self-supporting funding model, based on user subscriptions and other sources of income. But TAIR director Eva Huala told an international meeting on... more... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Now isn't that a great opportunity to seriously cut subscriptions from journals and invest the left-over funds towards decentralized literature and data databases hosted by the libraries? Two birds with the same stone? - Björn Brembs
More in editorial: Access denied? - http://www.nature.com/nature... "[..] It is time for a whole new approach. Front-line biology cannot function without these resources, so solutions must be found at both national and international levels. Governments must ensure that at least one of their national funding agencies has money specifically set aside for the long-term support of bioresource infrastructures.[..]" - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Umm... just make it Open Data and the data is preserved by the community? Why is the *data* at risk? I think they really mean that the *scientists* are at risk! - Egon Willighagen
Indeed, Egon! Left a comment there. Maybe a bunch of us should contribute to the discussion there, this should raise the profile somewhat. Incidentally, we may think of writing a letter to the editor, if there is some consensus in the comments. - Björn Brembs
@Björn, I like those ideas... I'll log into my NN account and leave a comment too... - Egon Willighagen
I think the data is already open - the issue seems to be that TAIR is a centralized resource for the community. If I understood correctly, in the absence of a centralized resource they are afraid of fragmentation. This is not necessarily a bad thing, since over time certain providers may/will become preferred providers - Rajarshi Guha
Argh... just about to commit my reply, has the page disappeared... nice comment lost :( - Egon Willighagen
I wonder how their $1.6M budget breaks down (IT infrastructure, curators, admin etc)? - Eric Jain
If we are going to centralize this as infrastructure we need to take a strong stance on the build quality and compatibility of these databases so we can bring down costs... - Cameron Neylon
'Mummi' Thorisson
Thorisson, G.A. Accreditation and attribution in data sharing. Nature Biotechnology 27, 984 - 985 (2009). http://dx.doi.org/10... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Blatant self-plug here! My response to a number of recent editorials, regarding the importance of making datasets citable to encourage researchers to publish their data and 'data DOIs' being a potential key factor in bringing this about. Comments/criticism welcome. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
"author can archive pre-print (ie pre-refereeing)" says SHERPA/ROMEO re Nature Biotechnology/NPG - in case your contractual agreements go beyond this, you might be able to enhance the size of your readership, the amount of feedback, and most likely also your citation rates by OA green of the final version - (where) have you self-archived this article? I would like to recommend it to colleagues whose institution cannot afford a subscription of Nature Biotechnology - can you help? - Claudia Koltzenburg
Claudia - can you give more specific guidance regarding self-archiving? I can't make much out of your comment. I did check the NBT website and according to http://www.nature.com/reprint... I can self-archive 6 months after publication. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
In any case, if anyone doesn't have access to NBT then by all means contact me directly (FF message) and I'll E-mail the PDF. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
pleasure: on more specific guidance regarding self-archiving see here (example repository software EPrints): http://www.eprints.org/openacc... and here, in the case of your current research instiution: Leicester Research Archive https://lra.le.ac.uk/ or maybe DORA https://www.dora.dmu.ac.uk/ who both are run on DSpace http://www.dspace.org/ (my source: http://roar.eprints.org) - tuck in :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg
thank you for the direct delivery service offer, Mummi. Actually, with a paper of THIS topic I would prefer to recommend an open access version that is downloadable from the web by anyone and now :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg
in more detail: SHERPA/ROMEO http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/ lists the NPG general license to say (see my quote above) "author can archive pre-print (ie pre-refereeing)" - and adds: "This summary is for the publisher's default policies and changes or exceptions can often be negotiated by authors. All information is correct to the best of our knowledge but should not be relied upon for... more... - Claudia Koltzenburg
Why is it, when I try to download the PDF, that I get Correspondence on "The market value of GM products" instead? :) - Allyson Lister
Allyson - good one ;) my bit starts near the bottom of that 1st page - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Claudia - Thanx again. I shall try and sort this out ASAP. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
@Mummi - I should have trusted the PDF - I didn't even scroll down - just saw the top and figured it was a bum link - my bad! :) - Allyson Lister
Nature journals' policy is that authors can put their submitted version online eg on a preprint server whenever they want - before, after or during submission. The version that is accepted for publication can be archived in a repository 6 months after publication. The published version stays on the publisher website. http://www.nature.com/authors... and http://www.nature.com/authors... - Maxine
Quote from first URL above: "Our policy on the posting of particular versions of the manuscript is as follows: 1. You are welcome to post pre-submission versions or the original submitted version of the manuscript on a personal blog, a collaborative wiki or a preprint server at any time (but not subsequent pre-accept versions that evolve due to the editorial process). 2. The accepted... more... - Maxine
@Mummi of course you could have published in an open access journal instead :-) - Duncan Hull
Duncan - excellent point (was kinda waiting for someone to kick my arse about that...). Honestly, I would have done this, but the backdrop to this is that I was approached originally by the NBT editor about writing a short letter on this topic, following a comment I made on a Nature blog post (http://blogs.nature.com/nautilu...). - 'Mummi' Thorisson
I *promise* to make an effort to submit to an OA journal next time! - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Responding to OA chiding by Claudia and others. Here's a link the self-archived MS: http://hdl.handle.net/2381... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Mickey Schafer
A tech question -- is anyone using web-based file storage? If so, what company would you recommend as host?
What do you want to store? Bits and bobs or lots of stuff? I use google doc for bits and prices dropbox is useful as it has an iPhone app. - Jo Badge from iPod
How big of files are you thinking about? - Holly Rae
Hell yes. For me, photos -> flickr, audio -> divshare, video -> youtube/vimeo, PDF's -> Mendeley/scribd and google docs for various other bits 'n bobs. - Graham Steel
SlideShare, SciVee (vids), Scribd (pdfs), Flickr, YouTube, lots of GoogleDocs and Wikispaces will take up to 10Meg misc files - Jean-Claude Bradley
favorites are dropbox (good file sync) box.net (webdav standard support) drop.io (quick, easy) and wuala (free limit is high). specialized storage by file type such as flickr for images or gdocs for docs is also a good option, and there are some utilities that can help synchronize with these services - Mike Chelen
Google docs for documents, Mozy for backup, dropbox for sync across computers - Pedro Beltrao
Junlgedisk for archival, dropbox for "hot" content. - Deepak Singh from iPhone
Jungle disk for big files, documents etc. I also use google docs and dropbox for convenience. - ashish
Ooh - dropbox seems rather handy. Thanks. On Desktop now..... - Graham Steel
Any specific suggestions for podcasts/sharing? - Allan Besselink
I use ADrive for pretty much everything. If sharing, will host things on Slideshare, Scribd, Flickr, YouTube, etc. But if it is just for me ... ADrive. Free accounts get something like 50 GB. Podcasts get hosted with Archive.org. - Miss Elle
Allan, I use vanilla S3 for all my podcasts in combination with Cloudfront for edge delivery. - Deepak Singh
Dropbox for a collaborative document share. Wiggio.com for inter-institutional share and collaboration tool. I belong to a group that uses a pogoplug, too, which has been a boon (the trick is where to host it). - Jason Miller
JungleDisk on the Mac - off-site backups of docs + family photos - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Also a Jungle Disk user -- have a workgroup account with all partners and customers having partitions. Use it for backup, transfer of large files (audio, video, lesson packages) to and from internal people and customers. - Brian Sullivan
Dropbox for keeping the contents of a directory sync'd across computers & sharing private pics, Flickr for public pics, slideshare from PPTs and Mendeley for docs. - Mr. Gunn
Thanks so much! Here's a link (though most of you don't need it:-)) that reviews some of these products: http://www.consumersearch.com/online-... -- For me, I am looking to back up everything on 3 computers at home. "Kids" computer used to be mine, and has all the family photos on it -- just 2005 is in excess of 4GB (or so says the flash drive which is full). It seems as... more... - Mickey Schafer
mediafire - ffcode
thanks Mickey you had a good subscriptions list, subscribed to a few of the active folks - ffcode
Miss Elle: ADrive looks kind of cool, FTP can come in handy - Mike Chelen
Mickey: if there is 4gb this year, how much data is there in total? it may be worthwhile to also keep local backups, since 8gb or 16gb memory sticks only cost $20-$30, and external hard disk drives are coming down in price too - Mike Chelen
Mickey - From what it sounds like you want to do, a pogoplug (hardware) might be really great for you. http://www.pogoplug.com - Jason Miller
Thanks, Mike -- that's basically what I was thinking. Maybe a larger GB flash drive for each year, but a combo of external hard drive and online back up for everything. The kids' computer needs ghosting...I'll be able to get Windows 7 for about $12.00 in a few weeks (faculty price) and will likely use it to restore that computer to better functioning. - Mickey Schafer from email
Jason, what a totally cool device! - Mickey Schafer from email
For those who'd still like to explore, the suggestions made here are at http://delicious.com/msscha... -- features to look for seem to be amount of free space (ranges from 1GB to 50GB), share features, file syncing (only a couple do that), upgrade service cost (in all, much less expensive than I expected), mobile apps, and whether there's a desktop component (I don't get this... more... - Mickey Schafer
it is a mistake to keep you personal dta on servers on web first it is very difficult to delete that data and other there is a possibility that data can be stolen - ffcode
@Jason is there a pogo plug available in UK? - Anna Croft
@AnnaCroft - Not sure. Id' poke around on their site to see. On it, I saw what looked like a portal to twitter, and I saw some German tweets. That would make me hopeful that the product is available outside the US. Please post what you find out. - Jason Miller
Anna -- I've also seen French tweets -- here's the product spec page: http://www.pogoplug.com/meet... -- voltage specs are "Power requirements: 100-240V, 50/60HZ" -- the rest relates to OS, internet, browsers, etc so should cross the ocean just fine. - Mickey Schafer
@Jason/Mickey ace - although I'll probably wait until next year to get one, when I'm in the US ... Update: just read on one of the websites that it will ship to Europe in 2010 ... http://www.pogoplugged.com/forum... - Anna Croft
ffcode: it's important to keep multiple backups on local and remote systems, as well as on several company's servers if possible. a good backup service should include client-side encryption (wuala does for example) and if not then it is worthwhile for users to learn how encrypt data themselves - Mike Chelen
Jason: does pogo plug have much built-in storage or is it best to attach an external drive as well? - Mike Chelen
Mickey: flash drives are great for portability, still external hard disks are the best value for the size, for example 500gb for $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product... though online copies are important since a single drive could get lost or damaged at any time - Mike Chelen
Deepak Singh
Get your act together, Data.gov - http://news.ycombinator.com/item...
"That's in a perfect world. The first step is to get the data out there. They we can start wondering about structure and presentation. It takes a long time to build a data infrastructure, but you should stop people who have the skills and interest from getting their hands on it. Hopefully data.gov will work with data producers to become a quality data resource, but at least there is a resource in the first place, a place to go and find material. Perhaps a model might be people starting from data.gov and then creating different views into the data for different purposes. They don't have to reside on data.gov, and personally that's what I hope the site evolves to. Making data available in reasonable formats that can then be converted into information by other people." - Deepak Singh
"That's in a perfect world. The first step is to get the data out there. They we can start wondering about structure and presentation. It takes a long time to build a data infrastructure, but you should stop people who have the skills and interest from getting their hands on it. Hopefully data.gov will work with data producers to become a quality data resource, but at least there is a... more... - Deepak Singh
Came across this post last week on the same subject, incidentally: Stefano Mazzocchi's Linotype blog: Data Smoke and Mirrors - http://www.betaversion.org/~stefan... "[..] By grinding all those rectangular datasets into triples, they’ve actually managed to make it *less* useful than in its original form. In the original form at least I had a little context of what this... more... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Claudia Koltzenburg
? any author here who uses, e.g., WebCite http://www.webcitation.org/, for sustainable references of multimedia files?
I am planning to use WebCite for my thesis. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
I use WebCite, but it caused considerable confusion the one time I did so in a formal publication. I sent a letter to the editor at Haematologica, and after several rounds of cluelessness I simply gave up. Part of the cluelessness was that they clearly did not understand WebCite, and wanted me to "verify the date on which I accessed the cited web resources" or some such. Dinosaurs. - Bill Hooker
I 'm afraid there is so many Dinosaurs in our world of Science , especially in medical community ..:( - Ana Ivkovic
I've got some webcite used in a paper coming soon in a PLoS Journal near you - unfortunately they caught my slightly sneaking citations and pushed them into the main text body rather than the references but nonetheless it is a useful service. - Cameron Neylon
thank you, none of my tests has given any positive results for multimedia files, though, did this work out for yours? - Claudia Koltzenburg
No I didn't try with multimedia - as I've not got it to work in the past. Webcite just archives an html copy as I understand it, so multimedia wouldn't be expected to work. Its a problem. - Cameron Neylon
Claudia - as you've just seen http://ff.im/aW3GI we did archive Excel files - I would imagine multimedia files such as m4v might work too - although you would need to supply the viewer - Jean-Claude Bradley
this sounds like a splendid idea, Jean-Claude, has anyone tried this out yet - supplying the viewer? would this actually be done during the archiving procedure on the WebCite server? - Claudia Koltzenburg
not that I know of Claudia - Jean-Claude Bradley
Mitchell McKenna
Invoice Like A Pro: Examples and Best Practices - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009...
Invoice Like A Pro: Examples and Best Practices
"While invoicing is not a fun task, it’s a necessary one: by keeping clients informed of your expectations, you will get paid punctually and reinforce your professionalism. After going over some best practices for creating invoices, we’ll review some great (and not so great) online invoicing tools" - Mitchell McKenna from Mento
The problem is that as a designer, I can NEVER find a good program that does everything without it costing an arm and a leg. - Jeremy (cropmarks)
@Jeremy have you tried Side Job Track? My buddy uses it: http://bit.ly/3NM94G - Mitchell McKenna
I use HarvestApp: http://harvestapp.com - it tracks hours and project time and invoicing, and integrates with QuickBooks and other tools - Jesse Stay
I use Freshbooks, it's absolutely perfect for me.. and I was able to customize the log-in screen well enough for it to blend in well with my web site... I'm not surprised it was the only one with full stars for usability. Also tracks hours/time/projects etc... - SAM
@Jesse @SAM I'd say those are two of the most popular. Do you pay for your accounts? What made you go with one over the other? - Mitchell McKenna
Mitchell, I pay about $50/mo for mine, but I think the plan I'm on allows more than one login for time tracking, etc. I haven't done any recent comparisons, although I should. When I joined it was the cheapest, simplest, and most feature-rich solution I could find. - Jesse Stay
@mitchell... Freshbooks was recommended to me by good friend, and I went with it. I do pay for my account, and I can't remember which plan I have, but it's not much at all... maybe $20/year? - SAM
Sam, does Freshbooks do time tracking? I like Harvest because I have an iPhone app and OS X widget I can track time on. - Jesse Stay
Maybe it's $10/month... I should look into that. - SAM
My plan, which includes 5 users, is $40/mo. 1 user is just $12/mo. - Jesse Stay
It does time tracking... I just got my iPhone so I haven't looked into functionality there... I do use a netbook in meetings though and turn on the time tracker when I sit down occasionally... it helps keep clients focused. :) - SAM
@SAM "it helps keep clients focused." - haha! - Mitchell McKenna
I've been using clockingit.com for my PM, but need an easy, inexpensive (and flexible) invoicing program. Preferrable one that will work on Ubuntu. - Jeremy (cropmarks)
There's also a free plan on Harvest for up to so many clients I think - Jesse Stay
Ahhh... $12.50/month. - SAM
@Jeremy I'm on Ubuntu as well. So I'd need a cross-platform client or a web-based client. - Mitchell McKenna
And allows for 1 more staff... Jesse's program seems to be very comparable if not slightly cheaper... I would go on integrability and user interface from there. - SAM
@Jeremy what's your budget for the an invoice app? do you need something free? You could start using Freshbooks or HarvestApp for free, if you like it, buy a basic plan. - Mitchell McKenna
harvest looks nice. I've seen freshbooks before. My budget is what the CFO says I can spend on it. I'm using good 'ol Indesign now. That's no fun. - Jeremy (cropmarks)
webworkerdaily.com pointed me to this great article comparing HarvestApp, FreshBooks and BlinkSale http://bit.ly/9rONE - Mitchell McKenna
If I may enter the conversation, there's also Bill4Time.com. It tracks time and organizes it by client-project-task. Phone app, desktop widget, data backup, invoicing, etc. The free version is for a single user, up to 2 active clients, and 3 open projects. The next level is $20/user. But that price includes the tech support, phone app, etc. I don't remember any additional costs. - Jessica
Oh, forgot: the Lite version is $20/user/month. Again, it's the complete thing w/o additional costs & no contract thing. - Jessica
For OS X users - I used TimeLog very effectively for tracking time spent on projects over a period of over 2 years. Didn't use the invoicing feature though. v4 is available (http://www.mediaatelier.com/TimeLog...), though I've only used v3 in the past myself. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
mita
Dear Drupal druids. I work for a university library. Should the library ask/fight for a standalone Drupal separate from our campus instance or is having our site via a campus multi-site setup an okay compromise? Please and thank you!
I´d say it depends on whether you'll be doing a lot (or any) customization to speak of, as far as module hacking is concerned. If you only need a few additional modules + templating, it wouldn't be too bad to share a multi-site setup I'd guess, plus you wouldn't have to do maintenance yourself (security updates etc.). - 'Mummi' Thorisson
I think that's the right answer, yeah. - D0r0th34
I love the idea of not having to worry about security updates but I'm concerned because I don't want to cut ourselves off from some really profound module hacking, e.g. The XC project http://drupal.org/project/xc in the possible future - mita
It also depends on how much freedom the univ. IT will allow you in designing/administering your site. Could you ask for a trial on their installation to see if you really can do what you want? Be sure to be non-committal so that you can pursue an externally hosted site if need be. - jönαthaη
Thanks. This reassures. - mita
At the same time I started this thread, I sent an email off to the XC folks asking about their project a multi-site setup. They were kind enough to take the time to reply, and they said that for this particular project they didn't recommend it. - mita
Heather
Liked: Shining a light on dark data - http://dmm.biologists.org/content... by Chris Patil (http://friendfeed.com/mycopha...) and Vivian Siegal (editor of Disease Models and Mechanisms).
"We are increasingly keeping scientific records in electronic form; it would be straightforward to wrap our notebook pages describing an orphan result with a bit of searchable text, generate a web page, and submit the whole thing to a database. The act of conducting research would thus become practically synonymous with the act of disseminating the resulting knowledge. Along the way, we would have to spend some energy improving the records that we keep in order to ensure that our notebooks were more accessible to outside readers and less like the quirky private diaries they often become." Heh. - Heather
.. and if this could result in a proper citable reference on the other end, that'd sweeten the deal :) See e.g. Jean-Claude Bradleys comment near the top of this thread, about 'dumping' data to Nature Preceding to get a reference + DOI in return: http://friendfeed.com/the-lif... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Michael Habib
The Research 2.0 Concept Model above is an evolution of the Academic Library 2.0 Concept Models developed for my Master's Paper (http://mchabib.com/2006... ). While the original model primarily focused on academic library services for students, the new model focuses on services for researchers. Like in the original models, the top represents communication spaces grounded in physical space, while the bottom mirrors this in the online realm. Two ends of the spectrum are informal communications and formal communications. My argument is that Research 2.0 falls somewhere between these extremes. A full presentation is located here: http://www.slideshare.net/habibmi... - Michael Habib
The above Scholarly Identity 2.0 Concept Model takes the series of concept models one step farther, but with a slightly different twist. The divide between online and offline scholarly communication is largely meaningless, so has been discarded. The spectrum in this case is more specific with one end being entirely user-generated content and the other traditional scholarly... more... - Michael Habib
Michael - interesting stuff. Do you have that paper you mentioned published by now (blog post is dated mid-2006). I would like to mention some of this in my thesis and cite your publication of course. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
some comments here http://ff.im/aXOKZ, - so what's your thesis about, 'Mummi' Thorisson? - Claudia Koltzenburg
Thesis located here: http://hdl.handle.net/1901/356 and the title is "Toward Academic Library 2.0: Development and Application of a Library 2.0 Methodology" - Michael Habib
Claudia - the overall theme is data publication and the role of data standards, federated database networks and digital identity in facilitating/encouraging data sharing. The context is research into correlation between genotype and phenotype, or medical genetics/genomics more generally. Have a look at this review published last year that i co-authored with my supervisor: "Genotype-phenotype databases: challenges and solutions for the post-genomic era" - http://dx.doi.org/10... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Nice. Thanks Michael!! - 'Mummi' Thorisson
The second (right) model above on identity is the more interesting of the two. If you are going to look at just one.... - Michael Habib
Interesting social status implications here, especially with the second model. The more robust both sides of the scholar2.0 identity components (UGC + trad), the "deeper" the 2.0 identity (think tag clouds as the metaphor here). Or, perhaps color combos is a better metaphor, with schol.identity2.0 being a mix of UCG (say, "yellow"), trad (say "blue") and combo being "green" -- the shade... more... - Mickey Schafer
Jean-Claude Bradley
Webcite can be used to archive an Excel version of the Solubility Summary spreadsheet - here is the Nov 3, 2009 archive: http://www.webcitation.org/5l12V0P... All formulas and web services called are retained - they would not be in other formats such as CSV. This will work with any Google Spreadsheet - convenient for formally citing a database
Now that's good to know! - Cameron Neylon
That's brilliant. - Andrew Lang
I just uploaded another version - notice how it gives you a dropdown for the cached version on the top right. You can now create a hyperlink to a specific cached version like this http://www.webcitation.org/query... - Jean-Claude Bradley
Brilliant stuff. I'm becoming a big fan of WebCite - will use the service for the bulk of the Web refs in my thesis. The versioning functionality may come in handy. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Mummi - I had experimented with it a long time ago and there were some issues that led me to drop it. There are still issues - for example when they alert you to the fact that your submission is archived they don't give you all the citation information - have to remember to copy and paste all that info given on the website itself right after submission. I also don't know what happens to... more... - Jean-Claude Bradley
'Mummi' Thorisson
Vader joins the Lutheran Church of Iceland - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Vader joins the Lutheran Church of Iceland - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHWX1dciOE
Play
"A prankster in a Darth Vader suit joined the annual procession of the clergy of the Lutheran Church of Iceland. And you know what? It works." - 'Mummi' Thorisson
AJCann
OK, I give in -anyone got a spare Wave invite for me? Thanks.
I'd be happy to receive an invite, too :-) thanks - Claudia Koltzenburg
Oh is this where the Wave queue is? *stands in line* - Bob O'Hara
No cutting in! :-) - AJCann
Can I have your email address - please. I have 5 invites. - Khader Shameer
steelgraham7 AT gmail DOT com - Graham Steel
AJCann and Graham : both of you are invited. Got 4 more to share - pls send email address. - Khader Shameer
Thanks Khader. - AJCann
sent you a direct message w/ my email address - Michael Kuhn
If anyone in Wave has spares can they also check the Life Scientists invite list? Drop me you're Wave address (I'm cameronneylon@googlewave.com) and I can add you - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
Khader or anyone nice, here's mine: ctt.journal at googlemail.com - Claudia Koltzenburg
Khader, if you still have some, I am mikael dot huss at the same domain as Claudia above - Mikael Huss
@ajcann ha!! Knew you couldn't last - are you ajcann? I'll attempt to add u to some stuff.... - Jo Badge from iPod
Hi Khader. neil.swainston_AT_manchester.ac.uk if there are any spares. Thanks. - Neil Swainston
andrew.sid.lang AT gmail DOT com if you can - thanks! - Jean-Claude Bradley
Send invites to Michael, Claudia and Huss. Sorry Neil and Bradley. - Khader Shameer
that's ok Khader - we'll keep trying - Jean-Claude Bradley
For the public record, I didn't receive a Wave invite from Khader :-( - Graham Steel
Graham, that was a too early announcement :|, usually wave takes a day or two to send the invitation. In Wave's own words "Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick. " - Khader Shameer
"usually wave takes a day or two to send the invitation" I was not aware of that, thanks for pointing this out, Khader. Thank you kindly for sending out the invites... - Graham Steel
Yeah, See you on wave Graham :) ! - Khader Shameer
Thanks anyway, Khader. - Neil Swainston
May as well add my name to the list of those left behind ! elbuono AT gmail DOT com - Ian Simpson from twhirl
still holding out - I know that if I get one of these, I'll get sucked into the Waveome and my thesis will soo *never* be done in time! - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Got few more invites: added Ashish, Lucas, Andrew, Carl, Ian :) - Khader Shameer
Mummi send me your gmail ID. - Khader Shameer
'Mummi' Thorisson
eCAT: Online electronic lab notebook for scientific research - http://www.citeulike.org/user... (via http://friendfeed.com/dullhun...)
"eCAT is an electronic lab notebook (ELN) developed by Axiope Limited. It is the first online ELN, the first ELN to be developed in close collaboration with lab scientists, and the first ELN to be targeted at researchers in non-commercial institutions. eCAT was developed in response to feedback from users of a predecessor product. By late 2006 the basic concept had been clarified: a highly scalable web-based collaboration tool that possessed the basic capabilities of commercial ELNs, i.e. a permissions system, controlled sharing, an audit trail, electronic signature and search, and a front end that looked like the electronic counterpart to a paper notebook." - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Posting this to the list coz to solicit some comments from the resident 'gurus' on this topic: I want to push the concept of online lab notebooks to some weblab colleagues, but am not sure which specific bits of kit to point them to. So, quick question: which other ELN solutions are out there (commercial or free/open-source), and how do they compare with this eCAT product described in the paper? - 'Mummi' Thorisson
see this discussion Mummi: http://ff.im/auUQW Richard is using a wiki in Blackboard as a first step, you could talk to him (he is out of the office today) - Jo Badge
Thanks Jo. BTW I forgot to include the link to eCAT website: http://www.axiope.com - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Looks like a somewhat specialized wiki with support for structured data and some other useful features? But perhaps it would make more sense to treat lab notebooks as logbooks that track activities and the flow of samples etc -- in which case wikis might not be the best approach. - Eric Jain
Cameron Neylon
The trouble with getting a domain name is that I actually need to figure out how to organize my online life...
I've been at it for years and still haven't figured it out - Deepak Singh
It's a lot of work. Probably easiest to have a clear landing page that says "here are all the other places to find me". - Neil Saunders
Yes, more or less figured that out. Question of how to set that page up at the moment. I do want to aggregate some stuff back to one place though. OpenIDs, FOAF, draft documents, that kind of thing, and some view of the streams that I'm generating. Aside from anything else I need to learn how to actually run/deploy/setup these things. - Cameron Neylon
On a related note: It seems you used to be able to generate FOAF for your Friendfeed subscriptions using http://friendfeed.com/<username>/subscriptions?output=foaf .. but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work now. - Andrew Perry
A domain name is just a name so if you've got some content hosted elsewhere already you can just use it as an alias - however I think the problem you're actually talking about is hosting that content. Assuming you're not already tied into one particular hosting company (as part of the domain name registration) I'd advise looking at a few content management systems (although they're... more... - Dan Hagon
Wait, friendfeed FOAF doesn't work anymore? Data portability fail there! I hope that's not a facebook-mandated change. - Mr. Gunn
Cameron, I'd look into delegating your domain URL as an OpenID URL. Verisign has a pretty cool profiles service: http://williamgunn.pip.verisignlabs.com/ and there's also Google Profiles. - Mr. Gunn
@Mr. Gunn - fancy stuff, this, very cool. Coverflow-style scrolling borrowed from OS X. Methinks I should switch from MyOpenID (http://mummi.myopenid.com)... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Yep, openID is coming. Think I'll be doing something quite simple with a Wordpress install as a starting point. - Cameron Neylon
François Dongier
Produce and Consume Linked Data with Drupal!! - http://www.twine.com/item...
"Our modules create RDFa annotations and – optionally – a SPARQL endpoint for any Drupal site out of the box. Likewise, we add the means to map the site data to existing ontologies on the Web with a search interface to find commonly used ontology terms." - François Dongier
"We also allow a Drupal site administrator to include existing RDF data from remote SPARQL endpoints on the Web in the site." - François Dongier
very, very cool stuff. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Cameron Neylon
Thieme Announce Access to DOI’ed Primary Analytical Data Available - http://www.chemspider.com/blog...
Yeah. That's the way to go :) FTA: "..Thieme have actually managed to pull off quite a coup and I commend them for their efforts." second that, times two. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
DOI resolution works like a treat for the example given: http://dx.doi.org/10... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
François Dongier
The description looks interesting "The Science Collaboration Framework (SCF) is a software toolkit to establish web-based virtual team organizations for researchers in biomedicine ". Glad to know it is not a 'yet another scientific-social-network + web 2.0 + etc ...!'. Anyone tried this ? - Khader Shameer
It looks like they are not hosting anything, right? You can just download the software to run on your own servers? - Jean-Claude Bradley
Brownie points for basing this on the Drupal CMS (http://drupal.org). - 'Mummi' Thorisson
See paper on SCF here: Das et al. Building biomedical web communities using a semantically aware content management system. Brief Bioinformatics (2008) vol. 10 (2) pp. 129-38 http://dx.doi.org/10... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
"Our modules create RDFa annotations and - optionally - a SPARQL endpoint for any Drupal site out of the box. Likewise, we add the means to map the site data to existing ontologies on the Web with a search interface to find commonly used ontology terms. We also allow a Drupal site administrator to include existing RDF data from remote SPARQL endpoints on the Web in the site. When... more... - François Dongier
The idea is supporting science collaboration through linked data (using the Drupal RDF-CCK module). - François Dongier
"For example, from scientific papers in this domain we may extract text strings such as “nf-KB”, “nuclear factor kappa B”, or “nf-kappa-B”. By adequate thesauri, or user tagging using CommonTag, all of these could actually be matched to the query string “NFKB1”, which the HUGO official gene names and potentially other synonyms all resolve to a common URI represented in the Neurocommons... more... - François Dongier
"biomedical research consists of myriad sub-specialities ranging across from basic research to clinical practice, as well as incorporating divisions by biological process, organ, species, cell type, molecule, protein family, technological approach, clinical orientation, disorder, and so forth. Each of these areas can and often does have its own slightly different semantic universe and... more... - François Dongier
Interesting piece of kit. we have some interest in expanding into this stuff by way of our Drupal-based community website. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
There's a load of RDF/SemWeb tools available or coming out for Drupal (apart from the SCF extensions) - e.g. conStruct (http://drupal.org/project...) which interfaces with structWSF (http://openstructs.org/structw...), http://drupal.org/project/rdf and more. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
These days, I'm playing a lot with Tattler (http://drupal.org/project...), which uses the OpenCalais API for topic monitoring. - François Dongier
Duncan Hull
Wellcome to the Genome Campus « O'Really? - http://duncan.hull.name/2009...
Wellcome to the Genome Campus « O'Really?
"So, I’ve just started a new job and moved home. There is loads to blog about but little time to do it. Before it’s too late, here are some first week impressions from a newbie starter at the European Bioinformatics Institute (EBI) on the Wellcome Trust Genome Campus. The Genome Campus owes its existence to the pharmacist Henry Wellcome, pictured over on the left. When he died in 1936, his legacy founded the Wellcome Trust, set up with money from his success as a pharmaceutical manufacturer and salesman. Today, the trust is the largest charity in the UK, funding innovative biomedical research and spending over £600 million each year. A large part of this legacy is being (and has been) spent on the Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, home to the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute (WTSI) (aka “The Sanger”) and the European Bioinformatics Institute (EBI) an outstation of the European Molecular Biology Laboratory (EMBL) based in Hinxton, Cambridgeshire. Cambridgeshire life: Good and Bad It’s a bit... more... - Duncan Hull from Bookmarklet
I look forward to pictures of the long silken moustache. - Bill Hooker
congrats for your new job - Pierre Lindenbaum
Congrats - I spent 6 1/2 years at the EBI, and it was one of the most rewarding work experiences I've had. By the way, it's not just the Red Lion that's there - you can also go to the Red Lion. Or the Red Lion. Yes, the 3 closest pubs are all called the Red Lion :) As for norman-no-mates, just go to Burns Night run by the sports & social club in Jan - that'll sort you out. Lots of perks, but right in the middle of lots of countryside (not even a post office!) - that's EBI for you :) Have fun! - Allyson Lister
Congratulations, we should meet up for a pint - Frank
@Bill I'm working on the moustache, I may be some time though @Pierre thanks @Ally cheers (lets go the the Red Lion next time you're here) @Frank I'm all ready and primed for beer - Duncan Hull
you do realise will will hold you to the moustache. I knew you could not go to long withough copious amounts of hair in and around your head :) - Frank
I'm sure you'll enjoy it - I spent ten years at Sanger in various groups - on the whole it's a pleasant, talented community to be a part of - Roger Pettett from twhirl
Good luck. I have to ask though, which bit of Manchester am I missing which is cheap? :P - Michael Barton
@Michael prices are all relative of course, I'm thinking mostly of the cost of renting and the cost of buying a house, both of which are considerably better value for money in Manchester than Cambridge IMHO. Food, beer and other essentials probably aren't that different pricewise. - Duncan Hull
@Frank will a comedy fake 'tache do or does it have to be a real one? Facial hair is not my strong point :-) - Duncan Hull
Congratulations on the new job, dullhunk. I'll maybe stop by and visit you the next time I'm there - we have collaborators on the Hinxton campus I come down on the train (or drive) every now and then. And I do have on my long-term agenda to at some stage work at @EBI/Sanger, for the experience as Allyson said. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
@Mummi thanks, you're welcome to come and drop by... - Duncan Hull
It is a different culture, there's good stuff about cambridge. come and say hi at some point Helen - Helen Parkinson from email
@Helen oh yes, I'll come by and pester you :-) - Duncan Hull
Slighty late but good luck on you new endeavours @dullhunk. WRT el silken moustache, if you kept your locks after they were chopped off, you would be able to produce one hell of a false moustache and just in time for http://uk.movember.com/ ;-) - Graham Steel
@Graham great idea, I'll just have to grow one instead. Are you participating in movember? - Duncan Hull
Duncan, I wish you a great start in Hinxton. - Martin Fenner
@Duncan, I've been off this week so as usual, no shaving. As such, and since my 'tash growing prowess is not brill, tempted to miss that bit out b4 I go back to work on Monday. - Graham Steel
Continued....Hmm. I wonder if a goatee beard (bristles not shown) counts for Movember? Fav comment from folks at work today was "Mr Steel, what is that thing on your face?" You up for a Movember challenge, my good fellow ?? - Graham Steel
Endre Sebestyen
i'm thinking about publishing our next article's supp.mat not in the usual ugly excel tables, but on factual.com or stg similar. what do you think? are there any services for scientists? i know infochimps and others, but they are for large data collections, and what we have is stg between a large collection and a small publishable table.
simple csv/tab-delimited with a README? - Rajarshi Guha
upload it on google docs ? - Pierre Lindenbaum
upload it on IBM manyeyes ? - Pierre Lindenbaum
upload it on OpenWetware : http://openwetware.org/wiki... ? - Pierre Lindenbaum
What are your goals for the data? How long do they need to be around? (That question would make me a bit leery of using a random online service.) If you were approaching these data for the first time, what form and format would you expect them to be in, and what documentation would you want along with them? Where would you look for them? What would make you trust their provenance? - D0r0th34
+1 for csv/tab-delimited. Bonus points for also uploading the data to Many Eyes / Factual / Socrata -- if any of these are useful for looking at your data. - Eric Jain
@D0r0th34 it is just a simple supporting material for an article, containing filtered microarray data, GO analysis results, and various vigour & germination test results. i would expect it in some table format, w/ documentation in the article. i was hoping that someone would point me at a GEO or ArrayExpress-like public database but for smaller and more diverse data. I will take a look at Many Eyes / Factual / Socrates then, and possibly also prepare a csv/tab-delim file. - Endre Sebestyen
I'm with Eric - csv/tab delimited is good, since that is very likely to still be readable in 100 years, assuming the publisher doesn't loose it (quite likely on that time scale). Also uploading it to some other service (Many Eyes / Factual / Socrata) is a great idea, and putting a link in the Supp. data. But I wouldn't make any random web service, no matter how cool or useful it is... more... - Andrew Perry
Related question for D0r0th34: Do we expect that Institutional Repositories for large organizations will still be holding and serving the data they currently have in 100 years ? - Andrew Perry
Nature Precedings (http://precedings.nature.com/) was suggested by Jean-Claude Bradley in a recent thread: http://ff.im/8UPxN - 'Mummi' Thorisson
google docs is convenient for sharing online since a variety of formats (html, xls, csv) are available for any published document, however there are file size limit of 1mb. many eyes and similar are also a good option, they only provide one output format but usually one that is well accepted, seem to have limits around 5mb. for larger files, something like dropbox or drop.io might be useful, and support any file types - Mike Chelen
nature precedings seems like a good idea, they only allow doc, ppt, and pdf upload though. maybe http://www.std-doi.de/ would be an option? - Mike Chelen
i'm testing manyeyes and factual now, but std-doi.de seems to be a good solution too, although it is for bigger data, based on the examples. - Endre Sebestyen
Maxine
Crossref has devised best-practice recommendations for scientific and other scholarly publishers producing RSS feeds http://www.crossref.org/CrossTe...
Great. . The journal feeds are a PITA, with all the variation in layout, in use (or rather non-use) of standard entry fields like author, etc. It's causing my colleague who aggregates these things in a our Drupal CMS no end of grief sometimes. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Oh dear - have you commented at the blog post at the link, Mummi? Geoff answered a previous comment from Egon there. - Maxine
Maxine - I have not, but I should. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
AJCann
How I learned to stop worrying and love FriendFeed - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
I've neglected FriendFeed for a while now, for the same reasons you list in your post. I think the duplication of Twitter feeds was the main culprit. I'm going to remove my Twitter feed from here now and see if I can make FF work for me again. - Joss Winn
Overlap = overload, definitely a bad thing in the case of social networks. - AJCann
I have hidden all Twitter in FF for a long time (unless replied to) I removed my own Twitter feed from percolating into FF to stop them appearing in my FB news feed each time I tweeted.. I don't think FF is the place to aggregate Twitter talk I have to say.. - Daniel Swan
I agree, but I only figured this out recently, and most of the people I used to follow here haven't figured it out yet. The very ease with which you can add RSS feeds to FF is a problem in that regard, leading to repetition across networks. - AJCann
nice! - Dan Freeman
Hurray :-) poor old Rollo though. Maybe he could be a foil for sockie in a feedfriend feedback video?? ;-) - Jo Badge from iPod
I'm very interested in how you will use FF in education - it went well for me in my organic chem class - too early to tell if students will take to it this term in cheminfo retrieval - Jean-Claude Bradley
I hide all Tweets that are not commented upon or liked, maybe I should do as I would have others do, and stop importing Twitter here myself? - Simon Cockell
Interested to hear how you used Friendfeed with students JC - did you blog about this? - AJCann
AJ - yes blogged about using FF and SL in class here http://drexel-coas-elearning.blogspot.com/ and under the Networking section of this paper http://usefulchem.wikispaces.com/SLchemP... The actual assignment is here http://chem241.wikispaces.com/extracr... - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks. - AJCann
Great strategy, Thanks for sharing it.. - Eric Logan
I'm getting requests for a video version - I'll have to see what i can do :-) - AJCann
like to import everything but the kitchen sink to friendfeed, as long as there are no duplicates - Mike Chelen
Beginning to realise that there is a slight difference in the medium too. My perception of the FF post/ aggregator means when faced with the blank posting box I am far more likely to look for some 'web object' I want to share rather than give the sort of status update I would on Twitter. The social glue with FF seems to be founded in conversation and comments around items and objects.... more... - Jo Badge from iPod
Jo, that is exactly what I think is the important difference! Great to see someone coming to the same conclusion. Maybe I'm not completely mad. - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
So what you're saying is, there are two cultures? :-) That's exactly why I need two networks. Have we just started writing a manuscript in this thread? - AJCann
From the non-Twitter side, I find tweets by themselves, appearing w/o context in my chat client from people I follow just plain annoying and near-useless. But if tweets are in relation to an item or object as Jo said, that's different. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
..unless I'm being silly and there is a way in FF to e.g. filter out say Deepak's tweets, or only receive his blog posts? - 'Mummi' Thorisson
I agree, but much less so since I learned how to use the selective hide functions. - AJCann
Mummi, yes there is - http://www.vimeo.com/1130659 - AJCann
Thanx Alan! excellent UI design, this - the FF developers are a bunch of geniuses/genii. Honestly. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
OK, paper started ;-) - Jo Badge
Maxine
Polymath Project and Google Wave: open-source science - http://blogs.nature.com/nautilu...
Liking so I can come back to this later... - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
It's a great piece, Cameron. Really clear to people who have never or only vaguely heard of Google wave - and shows how it could be relevant. I liked reading it very much. Almost makes me want to beg an invite off someone ;-) (Not entirely serious, I have enough to do - but I saw a sad Twitter the other day from someone saying they had got GW but didn't know anyone else who had it too..) - Maxine
Thanks Maxine, though equally Nicola Jones (opinon section freelance editor) also deserves a lot of the credit for pulling it into the right shape and keeping it tight. I definitely feel there should be editor credits on this kind of thing. - Cameron Neylon
Great article, Cameron. Instantly highlighted on the GEN2PHEN site :) http://www.gen2phen.org/syndica... - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Deepak Singh
Aspera - Next Generation File Transport - detail - http://www.asperasoft.com/en...
NCBI etc use Aspera already - Deepak Singh
Any open-source alternatives to this? Just wondering - I'm not likely to use this stuff anytime soon. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
Not that I know of. Biggest users are media companies and genome centers happen to be big users as well (I think NCBI requires you to use Aspera). - Deepak Singh
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