Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr?
- Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password.
- Daniel E. Renfer
from twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
what do you like better about feedly then friendfeed or others? just curious. I'm trying to cut back, not add more tools, great s they might be. i'm exploding!
- washwords
Can I like this 3x. Thanks for a GREAT recommendation, Bwana. My new fave Firefox extension.
- Leo Laporte
Wow, even the screensaver function is cool...I might be leaning to feedly and away from greader...
- Anthony Farrior
Revisited based on a few 'endorsements' here on FF. Wow. Easy, fast, just cool.
- Charlie Anzman
I definitely need to spend more time with it, because on first impression, it's just too much information in one place.
- cecily
What are the implications of "no thanks"? Same as "Mark as read"?
- Andrew Smith
@cecily if you get a chance, go to the feedly dashboard (through dashboard link at the top right of the screen) and click on the star next to the sources you like the most and see if the what's new page looks any better. The other option is to click on the "cover" icon on the top left on the nav bar and see if that view is more diggestable. If you have specific ideas on how to make the interface more appealing let us know!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@andrew no thanks = mark the article as read + let the feedly recommendation engine know that you did not like this recommendation. This metadata is then used with other criteria to unfluence future recommendations.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Bwana Where is Feedly video, I love Bwana TV more than Scobleizer TV : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
Edwin, one main suggestion - use plain language. Why call it "no thanks" when "mark item as read" is more intuitive (and doesn't require guessing)?
- cecily
Hmm... have speed dial already loaded upon feedly install and cannot find feedly anywhere
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
I installed and uninstalled all in 1 minute.
- Aaron Myers
Erhan, thanks :) I need to learn how to utilize it properly before I screencast it...it's coming soon though, I love this thing
- Bwana ☠
I tried it but wasn't that impressed with it.
- BCK
Looks promising, but I'm always suspicious of extensions that don't come from Mozilla addons site...
- João Almeida
What do you guys say to the folks who say Feedly crapped all over their Google Reader (adding feeds to it)?
- David Risley
It's in this thread David: http://friendfeed.com/e... We asked for a bigger warning since the one there is easily missed, the Feedly guys chime in as to why they did it that way. It doesn't "crap" all over your feed, it does create new folders, but they are easily removed. They are working on an undo procedure as well.
- Bwana ☠
iGoogle has been my home page for well over a year and what I have found is that via widgets its generally there for me to either click on gmail or to go into google reader - the other widgets are generally worth an odd glance but thats about it - I've put feedly as my home page and will see how this works out - but first impressions is a clean easy to use interface even if you have a few hundred feeds to juggle..
- Jican
Feedly is awesome: I had a few hiccups after installation, but I re-installed, and it has been a real help in 2 ways: 1) motivated me to clean up my feeds and sort them into a major category 2)motivates me daily to actually skim through and read the content that is closest to my current interests. well done!
- Terri MacMillan
Not dissing Feedly, but didn't experience anything that made me want to give up Google Reader when I tried Feedly a few months ago. Anyone care to explain why I should try again?
- Chris Stevenson
I don't work for them, so I don't see a reason to convince you. Some people like it, some don't.
- Fleagle
Hi Chris: feedly tries to provide a magazine like summary of your google reader. Some users only care about productivity and find the magazine like interface a step backward. Some users like it and use it in concert with their google reader. Some people prefer using the magazine like interface only.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Wow....Bottom line; YES that is a TON of time, but you wisely defended it as you're migrating your "content" here on FF, generating more buzz for your blog and engage way more people. I, of course, am biased cuz I need "intervention" too. I was going to launch a "blog" but found that FF became my blog for short term writing / sharing needs. I still plan to launch a blog in 2009, but am planning that out
- Susan Beebe
Ask him when he's taking up @guykawasaki on his absence from Twitter for a week bet
- Jesse Stay
I would like to see more of you doing short video responses via QIK than reading. Seeing you is much more interesting that reading, and it makes you much more "real". You can SAY more with an INFLECTION in your voice than a paragraph of words.
- Ari Burton
I think another gain would be the broadening range of topics you are able to cover in dynamic discussion versus a static (by comparison), drawn out blog. Twitter is to blogs what the Internet was to newspapers.
- Jim W
Hello, my name is Alan and I'm addicted to Twitter :-)
- Alan Kodzasov
I think you should do it all. Blog, tweet, and 'feed. What the split should be? I dunno.
- Eric Florenzano
your realtime funnel of friends is impressive
- Genaro Bardy
We have Scoble and YOU CAN'T HAVE HIM BACK! :P LOL
- Ari Burton
you're saying you chave 68000 people you can show potential sponsors. Did you ever ?
- Genaro Bardy
What are there 40,000 BOTS answering Scoble? LOL :)
- Ari Burton
Michael, you're funny. Genaro: I haven't been asked by my current sponsors yet, but they can look at all the people I'm interacting with on FriendFeed to get a good sense of who is here and on Twitter you can see all of my followers. Same on Facebook. So, sponsors generally have a pretty good idea of what kind of people I'll reach.
- Robert Scoble
Robert you are doing a fantastic job pioneering new apps and showing us all the way, keep going and ignore the criticism. You are practising being a Thought Leader without the need to blog too.
- Thomas Power
What you have done is balanced out your activity between Twitter, FriendFeed, Blogging, Videos, etc. Others who would prefer you stay siloed don't like that you've diversified. Why close the door on a significant audience, like one here, to maintain an old one?
- Louis Gray
What?!? You blogged your response? You're falling right into his hands.
- Christian Anderson
Robert and Michael, call me paranoid but I bet you guys both organized this rant & rave together to raise some valid questions about the changing nature of the social web. I think there's a place for focused writing of blogs but I can't help thinking Robert's experiment of jumping into the fray is both bold and worthwhile. It could easily be said that M's clinging to the old for reasons like thought leadership could possibly put him in a position of being obsolete very quickly. Love both of you!
- Lance Shields
I wanted to agree with this post but Ari's comments are making me laugh too much.
- james rock
Michael, I think Robert mainly gets input from his readers. That said, advice is also good for grown ups
- Alexandros Georgiadis
I like michael´s funny comments here. I never bothered reading anything else but the headlines from TC before but now I may take a closer look (get it, michael..? ;)
- Thomas Bøhm
This reminds me of the ladies who cried fowl when computers came along..."Noooo don't take my Smith-Corona away!"
- Susan Beebe
I don't have a Tech Crunch comment account so I am pasting this here. In response to Susan Beebe, Michael Arrington stated: "and the “conversation” is fine. But Robert’s brain is better used actually writing articles that I want to read. Watching people grunt back and forth is entertaining but hardly educational." My response: "Rude."
- Mona Nomura
If you were just a regular guy with a regular job OK, it may be a little much. But..you're a leader in this business and trying to keep us informed. Frankly, I'm a big fan, and feel like I would be missing out if you contributed less.
- Missionary Broadcasting
Thought Leader = Adopting Today What Others Will Be Doing Tomorrow = Robert Scoble
- Joe Lima
Mike makes good points and he does it out of respect for Robert. These are two of the hardest working guys I've come across. Mike sees the value he is building at TechCrunch and sees the value Robert is building for Twitted/FriendFeed. As far as I know, Robert doesn't get anything for that. I don't agree that Robert's time is not well spent, but can definitely see Mike's point.
- Christian Anderson
"S**gate" getting a mention here from Robert every time there´s talk of storage is better promotion than plain ads on his blog. They should be happy about that, and I´m sure pay him equally well for that.
- Thomas Bøhm
Yeah, I agree with Christian that M has good points and I think this debate is very good to consider. How do we spend our time? What is truly valuable? Is Robert poorer than he used to be? ;-)
- Lance Shields
Your audience is more qualified than any else... That's interesting. No Media can link to facebook / twitter / ff accounts to give insights about its audience ! That's Power my friend
- Genaro Bardy
Hey Robert! I hate to say this but I kinda agree with Michael on this one. I use to read you blog every day. I loved how insightful your post were. I could tell that you put a great deal of thought into your blog, and in turn, your blog provoked me to think. I like following you on friendfeed, but it is just not as thought-provoking. I have also started visiting your blog less because there is just not as much there.
- Craig Fogle
I think Robert's brand is portable enough that he can survive outside of his own domain. At the end of the day, it's about engaging people through whatever means possible, whether that's your blog or FriendFeed, Twitter etc. For what it's worth, I had never read Robert's blog before I used FriendFeed. In some respects there's probably an element of Michael using Robert's popularity to drive a bit of traffic his way. Looks like it worked too.
- Sam
Mike hasen’t noticed your videos, does that tell us more about Mike or your videos?
- paul mooney
How about spending time where it matters to you? Maybe Mike should spend less time worrying where others spend their time. It's your time, spend it where you want.
- Brett Nordquist
Your post a while back on *real* productivity, helped me a lot and I feel answers this already. Outside of your family what you want to do more than anything else is have lots of great conversations with people. FF enables you to do this more than your blog can. So by that standard you don't need an intervention - you're possibly the most productive person on the planet! :)
- Matthew J Hendrickse
How do I sign up for this rehab thing? seems like all the "cool" people are doing it.
- Bob Blunk
Honestly, I believe all these services should be merged somehow... Maybe if Friendfeed allowed for longer posts (although then it wouldn't be microblogging, but isn't Twitter for that?) people would start to move here. FF is a very young service yet: let's see how it expands and then we'll be able to choose between FF and traditional blogs.
- Jordi Soler
Honestly, I feel that half the time I spend on Friendfeed could be more productively spent elsewhere. It *is* addictive, and you don't want to miss out on anything, but I've spent hours there without much to show for it. On the other hand, there are times where it's sheer genius to have that much input.
- Glen Mistletoe
Once nanoblogging and picoblogging catch fire, this microblogging will seem tedious and time-consuming. Last Thursday, at 10 AM, I picoblogged an entire week of bloggage. Took about ten minutes.
- david beckwith
Wow David, that's maybe the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
- Geoffrey Hamilton
from twhirl
For the last company picnic, Management decided that due to liability issues, we could have alcohol, but only one (1) drink per person. I was fired for ordering the cups.
Jeremiah, like a lot of people, misses the point of Friendship. People aren't relegated to mere collections of topics to be parsed into hashtags or filters: they're above and beyond that. News and content discovery needs to be better removed from the whole social connection process, but it's not going to make "Friending" obsolete. Being able to follow people, not topics, is the appeal...
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- Mark Trapp
Friending to me is saying I enjoy that person's perspective. If everyone tags using "#relatedmusic" then there is no perspective anymore and you are just getting a big dump of everything. The curator feature of relationships is difficult to do away with.
- Todd Hoff
+1 @todd...i love that word 'curator.' people--as filters--will always matter in a so-called 'social' context.
- .LAG liked that
mark: i agree w/ your perspective but i saw the post as stating that a better way to discover and auto-follow "friends" would be possible via this systemic approach to topics/themes/memes/interests when some of these capabilities mature - one of the potentials of semantic web right?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Mike: but friends aren't merely collections of topics. Better filtering and content discovery is one part of the solution, but easier ways to figure out what your existing connections are doing are just as important. I go back to an example I used a while ago: I may have no interest in car talk, but I want to know when my friend gets a new car, and I want to hear what he has to say about it. Merely reducing it to topical analysis means I miss a big event in my friend's life.
- Mark Trapp
love the idea of curator. Works especially well with faving photos that show up in FF.
- Thomas Hawk
mark: totally agree, not ruling out presence aggregation (i think ff already works really well for this & the primary reason i like it so much) - saw this post as augmenting an already existing social net - btw, i don't think the current system of manually finding/following is broken - but that's just me ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
A lot of folks missed the point of the whole post. This isn't about 'friending' that's just but once example. The bigger point is = the web is going to be a sentient being.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah: you wrote about how the act of friending would be obsolete because we're teaching some nebulous system a set of rules to figure out how we determine friends. I'm saying Friendship isn't programmatic: it's not just a different form of interest profiling. Rulesets can apply to a lot of things in social media, but Friendship transcends a list of rules to be parsed. I've written about this subject here: http://marktrapp.com/tags...
- Mark Trapp
Mark... spot on. I may not even want to friend the same people on different services, may use different filters on different services for the same friends, etc. I want this kind of thing to be manual. I want to retain control of how my time is used and what information I see.
- LogEx
Mark. Have you seen Xobni? It's already tracking who my contacts are by email usage without my explicitly saying that someone is a friend. This is already happening.
- Jeremiah Owyang
agreed jeremiah - web as sentient being is a stretch (which i'm sure is the way you meant it) but not the progress that will help to produce the semantic web which should be very revolutionary...
- mike "glemak" dunn
I've not said the "S" word Mike. I'm trying to approach this 'next next' without using any buzz. Taking a pragmatic approach. But yeah, we agree.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah: your contacts are not necessarily your friends. I have a list of people, like vendors, who I have to email regularly, nevertheless, I don't care about their daily lives and I don't have a sense of real attachment to them. You're conflating two different terms here: Friendship isn't a keyword search, it's not your address book; it's more than that.
- Mark Trapp
Jeremiah: I agree that there's a lot of stuff, programmatically, that could be done to figure out very useful relationship graphs: most frequently contacted, business associates, etc. But you're always going to need to explicitly state "This person is a friend." It's not reducible to a parse, and for that group of people, your actual friends and the people you care about the most, "friending" isn't going to be obsolete.
- Mark Trapp
hashtag is a metadata. With enough metadata, you can find out relationships between people or information. Though I think the next step is finding relationship or connection without having explicit metadata.
- Leon Ho
Might be instructive to take a page out of (formal) social network analysis...look at users' behavior to infer/interpolate relationship information. This has been done (for example) analyzing massive amounts of data from cell phone users' anonymized call logs. Not too hard to figure out which phone numbers belong to friends, which to family, which to Domino's, etc. Watching users' interactions can educate a "smart enough" system about the relationships (friendships and other kinds) among the users.
- Andy Shaindlin
I have been (and still are) interested of how data mining allows to create maps of social connections and information they share between each other. There are huge privacy risks in that kind of things but it looks like that world is getting more and more full of all kinds of sources of data. Sooner or later people start to notice that there are tons of information about themselves even if they haven't shared anything publicly (or that is the way many people think).
- Daniel Schildt
Jeremiah wrote about "Teaching the System" and while there are issues related to connecting different systems together, there will be more and more conversation about how to connect huge databases to create massive pools of data. Even if that data is located in separate locations, application interfaces allow systems to communicate between them and make distributed data mining by just transferring results to another service.
- Daniel Schildt
I just find it distracting that in longer run at least some of the systems will become tools to track and control people. It's not the functionality, it's how features are used. There will be more talk about ethics of data mining but does that really change much of how things are getting to on later stages?
- Daniel Schildt
People's identity in on the way to "higher level" as it's being digitized in many ways from credit card data to click and location tracking online and offline. Some people say that they don't have anything to hide. OK, it may feel like that but do they really think that in future? I don't want to be paranoid, not even close to that kind of feeling but I'm just kind of pessimistic of ways many things look they would be going to.
- Daniel Schildt
In my opinion there should be more conversation of what are privacy aspects of society where information is openly traded between different systems maintained by individuals, companies and governments. Who controls the data or are things getting little bit out of hands? Or is the free flow of information best way to do things always when we are talking about amount of private and public information there are already in databases around the world? Who says the last word on how that info is used?
- Daniel Schildt
So knowing that, isn't it our choice to decide how much to put out there? Also, there are sites / services that aren't indexed. Why not go that route? - just asking.
- Mona Nomura
I'm not saying that it would be bad that public information gets indexed and combined. I'm just saying that in long run the difference between private and public is going to get mixed. It's our choice to decide what we publish or not but there is much information about ourselves that most people don't even know to exist. That is the main thing that makes me to be somewhat pessimistic of future.
- Daniel Schildt
"As unpleasant as it may be to watch the humiliation of a woman who waltzed into a spotlight too strong to withstand, I flat out refuse to be manipulated into another stage of gendered regress -- back to the pre-Pelosi, pre-Hillary days when girls couldn't stand the heat and so were shooed back to the kitchen."
- newsjunk.com
I've had fragments of this argument floating in my head for two weeks now. Stop blaming the media. If you can't hang with the big boys and girls, then step aside, its no time for games. Just my opinion.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I dont think I can even get one in Canada, but the phone jack alone is still killing it for me if it ever does.
- Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
What type of jack is it? It's completely ridiculous that companies don't use standard interfaces. It's like DRM for hardware. Annoying.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Thta's a very good way of putting it, Robot.
- Alex Scoble
yeah it is kinda uncool, the one should have it though. Google might have a hand full of models by Oct 22nd. Maybe one of them will have everything just right. :)
- Anthony Farrior
So there's roughly 10 billion headphones and earbuds out there, none of which will work with the gPhone?
- Glen Mistletoe
we're debating that on the NY New Tech list right now ...
- Andrew Badera
"Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke need to face squarely the vast array of mistakes made by the Bush administration’s financial regulators over the past eight years. When the U.S. housing market slide that began in late 2007 began to gain speed, the Center for American Progress made the point again and again that home prices would not recover until the federal government intervened in a more robust fashion to help individual homeowners cope with the cascading crisis."
- Dave Winer
from Bookmarklet
War isn't cheap. The US government could bail out an AIG every 6 weeks if the Defence spend was diverted.
- Gez
Love it. Similar to that, I always say, "Let's give the community the house, not the hammer." Too many brands are launching with empty tools, not using the tools themselves to give users a reason to engage.
- Craig Ritchie
from twhirl
Thats a great line and it couldn't be more true...it brings countless examples to mind.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
Mind if I quote you on that? I'm speaking at the Florida Association of Museums on social media & most of my audience will not really know what social media is but have awareness they have to adapt to new communication styles to be/stay relevant. It's also a great analogy for cities - branding on distinctive lifestyle not just on creative class amenity buzzwords.
- Julia Gorzka
I intended to agree when I first read this but then I thought about actual branded bars and remembered that they almost always suck. They boil down to a giant ad with no soul. And most of the virtual branded bars (read: brand communities) feel like that.
- Johannes Kleske
Johannes, I think that's actually part of the takeaway (or at least, it should be). The best places to hang out are the ones that feel genuine, not the ones that suffer from so much kitsch or cool that it hurts. The same is true whether it's bars or communities.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yeah, in the end for me it comes down to the question if a brand has heart and soul.
- Johannes Kleske
I noticed something. When I read my feeds on Google Reader, I get smarter. When I read Twitter I learn how boring our lives usually are. When I read FriendFeed I find out how smart you are. All three have their place. :-)
I feel the humor factor shows up better here than Reader and Twitter.
- Scot Duke
Twitter doesn't make me realize how boring our lives are, just that our lives are all very much the same no matter who we are, where we live, and/or what we do. Which is kind of cool to me.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I've abandoned both Google Reader and Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
LOL. funny but true. i still use all three. but i use FF most of the time and also incorporated it into my blog. to make it look a little smarter :)
- ~C4Chaos
i use the hell of of ff and greader, but they lack the humanity of twitter. i'm an infojunkie, but there has to be more to life online than just data.
- eric mortensen
from twhirl
I find Google Reader the most useful of the three by far. But when I want to discuss something or see what others with like interests are talking about, I find FriendFeed to be the place to go.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Robert, I try to have the same effect from all three :) when i m done with the daily minimum i switch to the second effect and finally third :)
- Hayk H.
On the consumption end, I agree. On the production end, however, I find that I share more in FriendFeed directly than sharing from GoogleReader (because I can attach pictures to the share in FF -- plus it shows up immediately). That seems to make my FriendFeed feed smarter than my GoogleReader feed. (Doesn't matter that much, tho, as they're combined in the end.)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I have to say that I'm a FF addict like the rest of us, but the past few days I've found it kinda boring and self-serving. Now that's bound to happen, but the chatter seems to have become less interesting of late and more like graffiti IMO. Maybe it's an end of summer thing.
- Jason Goldberg
Well that would be a judgement upon your friends, not the service, nay? :) (update: lol, just saw your friendfeed subscription come thru - the pressure's on!!)
- Christopher Galtenberg
@christopher sorta yes, of course. the question i do have is how much will be graffiti vs. substance? again, i'm an addict, just wondering
- Jason Goldberg
@Jason, it's time out for the Olympics!
- asiriusgeek
@jason we need a friendfeed substance pledge! (actually just a way to mark FF contributions as private graffiti, to use your helpful terminology)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Friendfeed indirectly feeds my google reader - so it makes me smarter too
- George Smith
I have to agree with this one totally Robert. Top 3 in my 'social graph' right now. I do pick up an occasional important passing item from Twitter (when time allows). GReader would be better if more people shared. Friendfeed is providing the best remote networking opportunity I've ever seen (and can be fun too!). All of the other 'new' tools bear watching and are all 'pipes' for those looking to promote themselves, or their products.
- Charlie Anzman
Trying to figure out what Identi.ca makes me. People don't tend to just blabber on identi.ca as much as Twitter. I find there are a lot of really smart developers there, so is it becoming a community for developers then?
- Jesse Stay
Every once in a great while now, when things seem to take a momentary awkward silence on FF, I may poke my head in to twitter or my rss feeds. There's just so much good activity here, it's hard to turn my head away sometimes.
- Pete Delucchi
Lovely comment Robert! Had me laughing...
- Mitchell Tsai
Yap, but Twitter also shows how crazy people can be driven ;)
- Martin Gommel
I'm starting to get this. Thanks for the coaching.
- Pete Steege
Coming Soon: A Post-American World, With The Rise Of China And Other Economies, The "Golden Age" Of American Influence May Be Coming To An End - CBS News - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...
"Zakaria worries that one day historians will write about how the United States globalized the world, but forgot to globalize itself."
- Dave Winer
it could be a "may" if it were written a few years ago... otherwise....
- Jeremy Toeman
It's not such a terrible thing. It's a world economy. What we had going here couldn't last forever. Now we just have to stop doing things that disadvantage us, and we'll do okay. We need to get to work on our education system, health care, infrastructure, and stop borrowing all that money for things that don't create value -- like the war in Iraq.
- Dave Winer
You know if McCain started talking like that he might win the election. The thing that's scary is that he doesn't seem to understand where we fit in. Our army isn't going to convince a lot of our adversaries and all of his bluster is going in the wrong direction.
- Dave Winer
And still, people are overlooking South America. China and Russia are slowly building alliances with other countries, bypassing the United States...
- Mona Nomura
BTW, I think it's very cool that the Chinese are opening plants in the US. I'd like to dig into that and find out why it was economic for them to do that. Maybe they just did it for PR purposes. It's hard to imagine that our labor costs less than theirs.
- Dave Winer
For those who follow the recent goings-on in the Anglican Communion, it's intersting to note that much of the debate is North-South centered, with some concluding that the North is moving toward a phase of Laodicean irrelevance.
- Ontario Emperor
In *only* 30 yrs. China has been steadily moving from the centralized planning of socialism to free markets and capitalism....Meanwhile the U.S. has been moving in the opposite direction...U.S. citizens would be wise to go back to their roots, because the China horse has left the barn.
- Chris Rossini
There is obviously a lot for the US to be concerned about and I don't think it's necessary for the US to be the sole superpower. It's probably better for us if we're not bc obviously we aren't very good at it. That said, I have some real concerns about what we're seeing from China and what's really going on. If I had a lot of money, I would probably spent more investing in India than...
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- Ray Grieselhuber
This makes the same amount of sense it did when Leo Laporte proposed this idea during the opening ceremony - that is none at all.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Technically ... until China floats it's currency, we're subsidizing them. Free trade at some point needs to be fair free trade.
- Charlie Anzman
boy 'yall thinks this is a good thing? I'm just glad to be here and not there. if the rest of the world wants to bend over for tyranny, cheap labor and unrestricted industrialization... then let them destroy their land. ...and they can hate me all they want. ah yes the joys of socialism that is not sustainable, so now they have to be a bunch of predators. I'm just glad we aren't voting Obama for president or we might end up like them. A green ghetto makes a carnivore
- Noah David Simon
Bull shit bunch of Propaganda! American imperialism is not finished but just starting! Watch for New World Order!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
they should of put you in the gulag Igor. Goodnight!
- Noah David Simon
It already ended. Depression mode ahead!
- Michael Forian
Just added Fareed Zakaria's book to my Amazon.com wish list.
- Mike Reynolds
Agreed with Dave Winer. This doesn't mean some post-apocalyptic future for America; just less American dominance in various areas.
- Brent Newhall
you can have your Chinese mob glut of human meat and I will take America and it's breadbasket of food, plentiful natural gas and running on Chevy Volts in a few years. Wind and Solar going faster then any other country. America is BACK! I just hope I can hold all of you to live outside of America's borders in a few years. Socialism and Dictatorships are flip sides of a coin. America might hit a few bumps down the road to energy independence, but I will take this road over any other.
- Noah David Simon
"one world, one dream" indeed but certainly not the american dream
- Brian Sullivan
I agree with your conclusion, but I come to it via a technical path... The next gen of social networks will need to start at Facebook's volume as a baseline of activity and scale exponentially from there as social networks become more mainstream. As Twitter has shown us, these 2 tier database backed architectures are simply incapable of supporting these requirements.
- Jason Carreira
I think Sweetcron, an app soon to be released here in Japan, might change this. If I'm right about what it will be, it will be the next WordPress, the next evolution in self-hosted blog platforms more attuned to the multi-channel media that we involve ourselves in these days.
- Ray Grieselhuber
Read posts (Riley/Perez) I am dismayed that neither mentioned the DiSo project. I expect to see a trend back to blogging with Ping.fm services enabling people to broadcast to the many micro sites.
- sam sethi
from Alert Thingy
What Sara wrote was more right than wrong. MT Pro has OpenID 2.0 built in, plus OAuth libraries for plugin developers. SixApart demoed their implementation of Facebook Connect, which allows a user to use their Facebook login on MT. The same should be coming for Google's OpenSocial APIs. Personally, I like the direction that MT is going in; I'd rather have a MT site with the social networking stuff than a Ning site.
- Albert Willis
Ray, I think it's a bit much to say something that hasn't even been released yet is going to be the next WordPress. I hope it does well, of course, but there are new blog platforms out there doing interesting things, like Habari and Chyrp.
- Michael C. Harris
Michael - point taken, but I did qualify it with "if I'm right." I've been known to be wrong before. :-)
- Ray Grieselhuber
i believe MT and WP - toghether with data portability - do have a chance to change the way we blog, in a more interactive and "social" way.
- Markingegno - Donato
I should have added a disclaimer, I'm a committer on the Habari project. Interested parties welcome to join our little community :)
- Michael C. Harris
Gregory, I can only speak for Habari, but security is certainly something we consider all the time. For example, we use PDO to protect against SQL injection attacks. Also, see http://wiki.habariproject.org/en....
- Michael C. Harris
quote- "features such as forums are old school." Yep.
- Kevin Gamble
The next social network platform will not be about blogging, but shared media experiences. Why describe somthing that turns you on when you can show it. Its beyond the browser and on your devices. my 2 cents
- ishak
from twhirl
Thanks Peter, but then that would suggest Google's data isn't complete, we clearly know Thomashawk.com is well read.
- Jeremiah Owyang
agreed that google data is incomplete, and that b'coz we know that TH is widely read. But the average Joe on the block will not so if they do the same search SFMOMA still has good standing. Therefore the theory of Brand equity being tarnished does not hold water, (As per google trends) for the common user !!
- Peter Dawson
@Peter more people would've seen it on Digg/BB then on TH.
- Yuvi
Google Trends for websites is, at best, incomplete. However, Compete isn't great either. No free measuring site is anywhere near good. Bunch of Alexas, the lot of them
- Didi Chanoch
It's not about the source of content but its destination and distribution. Jeremiah, we really should be looking for a velocity and diffusion measurement for memes. In any case, TH's incident has only made the second page of a Google search, and even then just about the fold.
- Marc Vermut
from Alert Thingy
Atul, both URL point to their offical website. But, it is interesting to note the difference that graphs out
- Peter Dawson
Peter and Atul -- just proves how utterly useless these tracking sites are
- Brian Sullivan
I know that both URLs point to the same site. I would hope the SFMOMA webmaster can set up one canonical website. For example if you type www.friendfeed.com and friendfeed.com, you always end up at friendfeed.com. This makes counting of traffic easier for Compete or Google. I don't particularly think the traffic sites are utterly useless - they just don't want to second guess the intent of someone like SFMoMa who appears to have duplicate content on two different URLs.
- Atul Arora
Come on everyone--if Louis Gray can pick up a shovel and "digg" it, you can too!
- Anna Haro
Hehe..I just front paged the story on TGM and told the fanbois to digg it.
- Candace
I still don't understand why it hasn't reached 200 yet??? SO confused. Come ON FFers!
- Mona Nomura
Looks like a petty tyrant to me. In my opinion he must be a frustrated artist who has to work in a museum to be close to stuff he can't make himself.It would make him cross to see people actually making art!
- Pete Gilbert
Pete, did you digg it? The more people hear about this, the more some sort of action will be taken against the "Director of Visitor Relations". It is NOT ok to treat people like that!
- Mona Nomura
Pete, now add digg service to your FF, and all is complete.
- Pete Delucchi
Service added. I hope this guy Googles his name sometime soon. What a jerk.
- Pete Gilbert
What he needs is a reality check. Director of Customer Relations, my left ass cheek. Seriously.
- Mona Nomura
Can I just add, although this guy was a jerk, it's not him we are fighting, but the right to take photographs without being branded as a criminal.
- Pete Gilbert
+1 Pete and I agree. I do think Thomas is owed an apology and, I also think the museum needs to make it very clear to *everyone* their policy. He took a great picture in the museum..when is that a bad thing?
- Candace
@Chris - I'm not tarring the whole city like this one man. Only that on this is pretty bad PR for the publicly funded/supported museum. As someone from outside the US, PR is everything and this doesn't do well to make me want to spend my money there. SFO may or may not be better. I've only ever been via LAX in the past. Was considering SF given that all flights had at least a half day in either city. Don't intend to stay in the airport the whole time I'm there.
- Stephen Cropp
Sigh,more of the same. Seems like I hear more and more of these stories. It is truely sad that in an art museam, someone is stopped while persueing an art form. Photography is art, an expression to the world of the artist perspective. I'd join in with the DSLR day if I lived on your side of the pond.
- Roberto Bonini
As a photographer as a hobby, I always carry a copy of the photographer's rights. http://www.krages.com/phorigh... Many people are misinformed about the use of personal cameras. The parapazzi are a lot to blame for this attitude however.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I'm sorry, and yes, this is bad PR, but this seems a lot of pushing the interpretation due to lack of knowledge of technical terms. As Nathan pointed out in another thread, it did say "handheld" cameras. Of course, everyone will argue that a DSLR is technically a handheld camera if you can hold it in your hand, but unless you're an idiot, you'd interpret that as a point 'n shoot. I don't expect everyone will recognize lenses. Shoot, *I* can't tell the difference and I live way more camera equipment than...
- Cyndy
... I will ever understand. Lastly, it smacks of "do you know who I am? I'll BLOG this" which I find offensive. I notice than anyone on Digg who tried to interject with reason or common sense was buried, especially the ones who asked why you'd join a museum just to take pictures in it instead of just experiencing other people's art.
- Cyndy
Obviously a brain dead employee that didn't read the new handbook yet
- Charlie Anzman
Cyndy: There's also the fact that we are totally going by one person's say-so and reporting of the incident. I gather the dude is a fairly well known blogger in photography circles, but it's still amazing how much this is pushing people's buttons and getting their blood to boil with a sense of injustice. It's sort of a scary mob scene.
- ⓞnor
Of course, someone could phone the museum and ask them to comment on the situation for the record. It would be in everyone's interest, and, you know, someone here could do it.
- j1m
I love how his excuse was that he needed to "protect" his employees -- as if the employees who would be in the photos work for the Director of Visitor Relations, and they need his protection, and not letting somebody use a big camera in their vicinity would somehow protect them from something.
- Gabe
Cyndy: I guess I'm an idiot, because I interpret "handheld" camera to mean a camera held in one's hand, as opposed to on a tripod. Most museums without absurd photography policies allow visitors to take photos, just not use flashes or camera supports (monopods or tripods). I've never heard of a policy where you can take as many photos as you want as long as they're crappy (because you can't use a good camera).
- Gabe
Larger issues are: Patriot act, DMCA, public/private rights, IP law. In light of that, I marvel at gregory's efficient 3-word reductionist comment.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
“Baby Grays are here! The boy clocked in at 9:01 at 5 pounds, and the girl weighed in at 4 pounds, 3 oz at 9:02. Both healthy.” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
Marc, I haven't stopped eating due to having kids. Why stop Friendfeeding? :-)
- Louis Gray
You haven't stopped eating yet because they are still at the hospital. ;) Last hot meal I ate without paying for a sitter to get it was when #4 was born. Oh wait. She cried when they brought my stork dinner and it got cold. Never mind. Circa 1999.
- Cyndy
If anything , you'll be using FF more b/c you won't have time to surf anywhere else. If it wasn't before, nows the time to Home page Friendfeed :)
- Anthony Farrior
Well said. I like just the way he tells the story. Just like how it is. we might not agree with everything he has to say or all his policies but he is the right man for the job.
- Akshay Dodeja
He's really wonderful when he's on, like he is here. Whatever peptalk he gave himself before this talk, he needs to do that every time he takes the stage. This is the kind of leadership we need. Why shouldn't we all be doing that tire gauge thing. Make it a matter of civic duty, civic pride, keep your tires inflated, send less of our money overseas.
- Dave Winer
OMGZ he rocked it. Best quote of the week.
- jeneane sessum
Totally love this guy, talk about being efficient all the way down the line!
- Jean-Marie Moës
The Republicans big-wigs take pride in falsehoods, not ignorance. Thus, they take pride in CREATING ignorance.
- Master David Goodmen
Love it. The last line gave me chills. This dude could sell me beachfront property in AZ. I sure as heck hope that ability translates to his future job as President.
- cjmart
@ David - and electing ignorance, and appointing ignorance...
- jcunwired
@Brandon, at least you get ads. Googling "black" doesn't return any ads at all. However we are told a related search is "black jokes." Well, at least there's no ads for fried chicken 'n malt liquor. Progress! (raises Black Power fist)
- Karim
aww, that is cute. I like that. they need to do that for some other searches @Brandon, agreed about the ad content, but I love that rainbow, that's nice.
- Kamilah Gill
I searched for "straight" and... nothing. :-)
- Louis Gray
@Brandon W: didn't notice that. yeah, not so great. not to plug, but you're not supposed to see that on Yahoo! search. because we don't consider "gay" by itself an adult term. and...Karim strikes again.
- edythe
As the only Gay in the Village (whoever gets that reference gets a virtual kiss), I find the rainbow flag pretty obnoxious. In fact, I burned one once in some frakin performance piece. But that's just me. BTW how did I miss this thread?
- Rick Powell
They do it for other stuff too, i saw a link off Google saying why they use the colours and other stuff.
- Nicholas James