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Mark Trapp
Genius is pretty neat. Like Pandora, except you know, not illegal.
Will it stream new music to me to listen to for free? If I can't be introduced to new music and actually listen to it before I have to make a purchase, then it's not like Pandora. - Jason Carreira
the Genius is still looking through my library - seems like he is smart, but not very fast :) - Frederic
How is Pandora illegal? - Justin Korn
Jason, I don't really care all that much about new music discovery. I like the ability to build a station off of one song and listen to it. To that end, Genius is great. Genius does recommend a series of songs you can go and purchase based on a single song, and of course you can play the samples of those songs like you can in the iTunes Store. There is no such thing as a free lunch. - Mark Trapp
Frederic, once it does the initial build, it's instantaneous. - Mark Trapp
Justin, ask the RIAA. - Mark Trapp
Are they on FriendFeed? :) - Justin Korn
Pandora is paying royalties on every song played. How is that illegal? - Mike Doeff
Since everyone wants to be a pedant, let me rephrase: "it's like a non-crappy Pandora where I can use it outside the US, rewind, skip more than 6 songs, go back, and play music on-demand, except you know, not limited to federally and contractually imposed regulations." - Mark Trapp
Justin, I was thinking about that, that is, what would it take for Apple to provide web services for its products: the only way I could see it is if in the future rapid application development was a consumer demand. Maybe if creating mash-ups becomes relatively mainstream (like Mozilla thinks they will with Ubiquity). Otherwise, there'd be no reason for Apple to incorporate web services into first party applications. - Mark Trapp
Yo, Pandora's not illegal. The law was changed and it's strangling them out of business. Pandora is good for the music industry... or would be if the music business was any good for itself. - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
This is quite strategic long term. The value proposition today is "rediscover your own music". But behind the scenes, Apple is harvesting mass amounts of consumption behavior, which is significantly more valuable than purchase behavior. Not just for content purchased from iTunes store, but anything else users manage with the iTunes app. Esentially they built the iLike sidebar into iTunes. The data will be used in many significant apps. - Amir Gharaat
Leo Laporte
McCain looks like he's having second thoughts. Can you see Palin as our President? I'm having a hard time with that.
Looking at her track record in Alaska, I can see it much more easily than Obama - Kevin A. Pierpont
If you are voting on experience your Obama rose-colored glasses must be on full BLIND mode if you want to play the experience issue. Go ahead and walk into that Republican trap--that's a debate the GOP would love to have. - Andrew Leyden
Yes I can see it, she's done some great things as a governor, which is always better experience than being in the Senate. - Zach Underwood
I find the choice laughable. Picking a VP that is currently under investigation is a blunder... http://www.ktva.com/ci_1002... - Sidney
I agree, if you look at her track record she is a better choice for chief executive. . . - Greer Trice
She supports creationism - unbelievable - Dave Hodson
I can't imagine a luddite leading the US in the 21st century. - Chrimmus Tad
I thought it was a clever move when I heard the news. But now that I heard her speak, I am not so sure. - Dorai
She is very beautiful...maybe too beautiful? - Cory Brown
Change? A person who's been in the senate longer than John McCain, or a person who's actually made changes as Governor? - Richard
I'd love to have a beautiful president! One who was also a champion for progress, science and technology. - Chrimmus Tad
@Richard but the change won't come from the VP seat... - Sidney
Was she Miss Alaska or something one time? As a woman, I want someone who is smart, articulate and understands science and technology, not pretty looking. Puh-leaze! - Sally Church
Michele Obama will bring some hotness to the White House. - Rod Bauer from twhirl
@aka Taylor I agree with your statement, but the democrats made such a big deal about VP Cheney, they can't go back now and say the VP seat is no big deal. - Richard
Andrew: you want a trap? Wait for the Biden-Palin debate. Ouch. - Rod Bauer from twhirl
Wow, have you seen the aftermath of the DNC in Denver? All the trash left behind by the environmentally friendly party? - Richard
Pro-life. Creationist. McCain does love the right wing. - Russellreno
I saw his buyer's remorse screaming:) - Roney Smith
@Richard the point being the direction of the administration comes from the President not the VP. The VP can lend experience and does play a major role in the administration but to say the VP is going to make the change that is needed when the Presidential canidate is the farthest thing from change is pretty rose colored glasses.. - Sidney
the most conservative of Christians seem okay with his choice so far: http://rr-bb.com/showpos... - Frederic
He did look uncomfortable about it. I thought it was just me - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Just a factual question--at about what point did he look uncomfortable (I was listening not watching and want to see for myself). Kind of curious now. - Andrew Leyden
How does McCain differentiate himself from Bush and the last 8 years of misery to dissaffected moderates now? - Sally Church
@Rod Bauer Good point. The trap is also for Biden. He has more to lose, especially if he puts his foot in his mouth. - Andrew Leyden
Leo - There's nothing left to talk about. McCain has hit a home run and just sewed up the HRC voters that BO took a crap on by not even vetting her. Just out of spite, McCain just got a large number of HRC supporters on board who are resentful of BO. - Alberto Lopez
@Alberto hahahahahhahah.... That's hilarious. - jakebf
As my friend said, Palin might get the Hillary women who read Redbook and watch HGTV, but the Ms. readers might not jump ship. Wonder if that will be enough? - Andrew Leyden
McCain didn't add any HRC supporters who can think for themselves. - Chrimmus Tad
So when we hit reply by twitter it goes to Leo or the person who had a twitter in the comment? Sorry to pound Leo's twitter account if the first is what happens. - Andrew Leyden
Tad++, he just got the irrational ones who would probably vote against Obama anyway because they are bitter about HRC being out of it. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
If Geena Davis can do it... - Andrew Feinberg
Jake and Tad, I wouldn't underestimate the power of this. I know three pretty intelligent age-50+ women who have a smidge of misplaced feminism that forces them to consistently make choices based on gender over issue (and openly lambaste younger women who don't automatically side with women on the issue of the day). All backed Hill and are tepid to Obama, and I can see all three of them having an extremely hard time voting AGAINST a woman in November out of some kinda feminist guilt. - Kevin Hessel
My first thought upon hearing: Who the fuck is she? And second thought: He really doesn't think he's going to win, does he? - Rick Powell
@Andrew - A friend mentioned just that thing this morning. - Uncle CW™
@rick - LOL - Uncle CW™
An unknown, inexperienced "hockey mom"? Yeah, that's what we need. - Todd
the dems could not have asked for a better gift than palin, talk about lobbing a softball - adolfo foronda
i had no idea how diverse the twit army was. there really are a couple twits here. - todd
People are underestimating Gov. Palin. Also, for a party that is looking for change and a fresh voice in Washington, how easily they write off what will be a fresh voice in Washington. - Jim Bednarz
Sorry, but this choice is only about marketing. It's not about governing. (I stole that.) - Rick Powell
Thomas Hawk
It Looks Like Obama's Lost 4% in the Polls Since Announcing Biden, from CNN - http://www.cnn.com/2008...
It Looks Like Obama's Lost 4% in the Polls Since Announcing Biden, from CNN
""The first national poll conducted after Barack Obama publicly named Joe Biden as his running mate suggests that the battle for the presidency between the Illinois senator and John McCain is all tied up. This looks like a step backward for Obama, who had a 51 to 44 percent advantage last month," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Even last week, just before his choice of Joe Biden as his running mate became known, most polls tended to show Obama with a single-digit advantage over McCain."" - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
Biden and the one billion dollars he wants to spend going after file sharers seems to be a liability for Obama. Certainly there are plenty of people who know more about politics than I do, but the polls at least would suggest that naming Biden was a mistake. - Thomas Hawk
Wants to spend a billion going after file sharers?! WHAT?! - Andru Edwards
Well, there goes my vote. - Andru Edwards
I was surprised at this. Foolish choice. - Steve Olson
*yawn* wake me up after the conventions and a poll result might actually mean something. - Eric P
Look, I think Biden's all wrong on this issue as well, but COME ON. If you really think the most important issue in the upcoming election is online file-sharing, you're not paying attention. - Lon Harris from twhirl
so RIAA & MPAA has approximately %4 foes among US population - I mean, dedicated hard-core ready-to-act-not-talk foes - A.T.
these polls are crap. they are intended to confuse and sway people's opinions - Cee Bee
I'm just tired of Hollywood having so many politicians in their back pocket. Outrageous proposals like spending a billion dollars to combat file sharing, when money is so desperately needed in other places, or classifying altering a device to play copy protected songs as a felony. These types of over-reactions are not the answer. And these policies only get pushed because Hollywood dumps buckets of money on the political process. It's sad. - Thomas Hawk
Obama's lost credibility in my book for picking such a Hollywood zealot as his running mate. There's lots I do like about Obama and lots I don't like about McCain, but him picking someone like Biden makes me just want to sit this election out and not vote for either. - Thomas Hawk
Agreeing with Lon Harris - I may dislike Biden's stance on this issue, but really now, THIS is what will sway your vote? Economy, war, healthcare, etc are all at stake in this election. Get the right president in office, then go to work on your congressional reps to effect actual change wrt copyright, file-sharing, etc. - Kevin Briody
Maybe im totally out of it, but wasnt McCain ahead of Obama by 1% last week? - Sheraz Mahmood from twhirl
@Thomas, Have you checked out Biden's energy policy? Seems like a big win for Obama and the US as well. This WAY overshadows his activities chasing down illegal file sharers. Honestly, I doubt most Americans really care about the file sharing issue. The only people who seem to really care about file sharing/copyright/DRM issues are us techie types, which we all know represents a single digit portion of the population at large. In the long run this will not hurt Biden or Obama's chances on election day. - Jeff P. Henderson
Keep some perspective, please. First, Obama still has the best technology positions of any candidate who's ever run for office, especially compared to John doesn't-use-email McCain who explicitly doesn't support net neutrality. And Biden, as VP, doesn't set policy, technology related or otherwise. If anything be glad that becoming VP would get him out of the Senate, where he can do a lot more harm. - Eric P
@Kevin what about 4th amendment? did you just say R.I.P. ? :) - A.T.
I tend to get wound up about things I'm passionate about -- even if they are small in context to the big picture. The Biden hypocrisy combined with Hollywood's seemingly endless lobbying of US politicians just gets at me is all. - Thomas Hawk
Regarding the loss of 4% in the poles. As long as the Democrats put on a good show at their convention this week free of inter party bickering and at least appear to be all on the same page, I would suspect the Obama will gain that 4% back and then some. The same cycle will probably happen to McCain when he names his running mate. I can't wait to see who McCain picks. - Jeff P. Henderson
@Thomas, I doubt that it is possible to find a person qualified to be the presidential running mate that does not have a skeleton in their closet or some hypocrisy in their beliefs and past actions. If this is the only negative that can be pinned on Biden, then I would consider it fairly minor in the grand scheme of things. We have so many more pressing issue in this country to tackle such as, Energy Policy, Economy, Health Care, Education, the disappearance of the middle class. - Jeff P. Henderson
@Thomas, totally understand your thoughts on this issue. There are issues that occasionally hit a nerve with me also, (the right to photograph in public to name one, not to change the subject). Sometimes we just need to step back and look at the big picture. - Jeff P. Henderson
Face it, we're screwed either way. One wants to leave us entrenched in a war and the other wants to raise taxes to take even more of the money we earn from having a job. I would just love to see one candidate in my lifetime who isn't just full of crap. - jerry
Big Mac ala Obama! LOL Take Obama rolls and stick McCain Beef! Add Hilary Salad and Gore dressing! How is that for a mutant president? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Not sure that the drop can be solely blamed on Biden. It was a long week. - Ontario Emperor
@jerry Unless you make over ~$600K in salary income, Obama's plan will not raise your income taxes, it will actually lower taxes for a majority of Americans. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn... - Jeff P. Henderson
Thomas, think the mainstream media going 72% negative on Obama this past month vs 26% negative on McCain has anything to do with those numbers?? - Will DeLuca
@Jeff hence my dilemma. I had plans to bust the $600k mark soon. Not to give too much away, but my plan involved a ball of year, a wooden mallet, and a small box of uncooked angel hair pasta. - jerry
@ jerry, I'd venture to guess that most of us wish we had your dilemma... - Jeff P. Henderson
Hmmmm... Government support of the RIAA or Government sanctioned torture... which is more important to stop? - Chrimmus Tad
@Tad, That easy, since the government is not torturing ME and I like free music... ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson
I really liked Obama's stance on copyright reform. To hear that Joe Biden is one of the biggest enemies of that...well, it doesn't make me excited to have him as vice president. If he's so good with foreign policy, send him overseas and let us take care of things here. - flammable
@silpol the 4th Ammendment is more at risk thanks to the current administration than anything Biden could influence via his tech policies. Seriously, let's keep perspective here. Plus, to someone else's comments - Biden as VP is one less tech foe where it really matters, Congress. - Kevin Briody from Alert Thingy
@Kevin what I was trying to say - Obama had put last nail into 4th amendment coffin - he was known maverick to overthrow every legal item against it, only to come-up on final line as supporters of those to bury it. And essentially this is all about American _main_ problem - you somehow as whole nation bound into choosing between moro... ergh, I mean candidates... while any other options seem to be non-viable for 250+ million nation... - A.T.
Biden's stance on personal liberties make me shiver! Now to the big picture -- regardless of the way the electorate is sliced -- I'm always a minority. Learned to live with it. And for those of us who are California voters we could not matter less - it's the religious base the Democrats are trying to win over with this nomination. - ǝuǝƃnǝ
Jonathan
Breaking News -- Selznick supports Obama. Stop the presses: http://www.mattselznick.com/blog...
It's earthshaking news, I know... - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Mur Lafferty
and in other news, KHAAAAAAANNNN!!!!
Did someone spit at thee from hell's depths? - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Chris Messina
Not bad. Gas in the Albany, NY area is between $3.80 and $3.95 per gallon for unleaded regular. - Rob Safuto
I think my local station was at 3.46 this morning...near Houston. - Sean Brady
saturday i saw $3.47 in Garland, TX - R. Ferguson
Under four dollars! LUCKY! - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Gas is still 4.39 in Hawaii - Mad Marv from twhirl
I remember living in Austin, Texas back in 1999 and gas was $.99 per gallon. I think maybe it was a little to cheap then. - Rob Safuto
Another reason to move to the 'live free or die' state. - Josh McHugh
$4.39 here in Honolulu looks about right, Marv. Rob, I remember the under-a-dollar gas in A-Town, too. Them were the daze... - Bill Sodeman
$3.41 this weekend - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
it's slightly under $4.00 here in nyc - Cee Bee
Jason Calacanis
Muxtape shut down by the RIAA? i called this on May 27th -- http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Hell, Muxtape probably called it the day they launched. - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Oh wow. Sad times. - Mona Nomura
Damn, Muxtape is/was great/kickass. - Wes Hoogenboom
Surprised it took this long. - Rob Haas
+27 @jason - .LAG liked that
Jonathan Coulton
Currently unable to write a song about the moon. So I'm going out to get some kitty litter. (Wow, how did we do this before twitter?)
Your moon song writing is waning, then? Here's hoping for a gibbous and waxing creative effort soon. - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
we talked to ourselves? - Jason Penney
Veronica
I wish you could "bury" things on the Internet like you can on Digg. That would be gratifying.
kinda like erasing pictures of people from textbooks and archival documents? Ewwww..... - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Speaking of Bury.. Bigfoot has been found! lol http://apnews.excite.com/article... - Socom
It's disturbing how much press the bigfoot story has gotten. Come on ppl! really!? - Percival
Why not? It would not delete things off the internet, just apply a rating system to clients who wanted to partake (firefox extension?). Since it's digg like everyone knows not to take it too seriously, but it's still another indicator of good/horrible content. I'd sign up, and I'm a big one for not censoring content. - Royce Mathew
the inability to bury things on the internet is why I don't leave digg or FF, if I can help it. - Bob Blunk
I've not messed with StumbleApon lately, but I'd think that would be a starting point. - Chris Weiss from twhirl
Jonathan Coulton
Serious question: what are you supposed to do when you drop the soap in the toilet?
Call it clean and move on. - Kevin Fox
Post to Twitter asking about it. - Akiva Moskovitz
What do cats do? - Mark Forman
There is an unpleasant factor missing from the equation that could change the advice. - Joe Pierce
if the toilet has been flushed, reach in there and get it out. Use it to wash your hands. And you're done! - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Someone once told me the answer to questions like this was different, based on whether you had raised kids or not and gone through the whole diaper phase. I wouldn't know... - Brian Johns
What do you think I did when I dropped my iPod in the toilet? - j1m
Veronica
via @ev, @allaboutgeorge, @jessamyn: If your gmail is broken, you can use the HTML view: https://mail.google.com/mail...
Good call - Didi Chanoch
yeah, not working to reply though apparently. - Veronica
No workie for me :( - Jim Goldstein
Or, apparently, to read messages. Only the main html page seems to be up - Didi Chanoch
https://mail.google.com/a/<yourdomain>/h/ for gapps works as well (at least for me) - Naor Mark
replace /mail/ with /a/domain.com/ for google apps - Judi Sohn
J.C. Hutchins
THOUSANDS OF GMAIL REFUGEES HEAD TO HOTMAIL'S BORDERS. HOTMAIL SEZ: "Shouldn't have left us in the first place, bitches." RIOTS CONTINUE.
Steve Riekeberg
I wish I had a basement so I could have an Underground Lair...
Me too. Since I was a kid, I've imagined digging one in my back yard. Still haven't gotten around to it. - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Mona Nomura
Sometimes, I need to think before I speak ;) - Mona Nomura
Is that life imitating art? That looks like a stuffed toy! That I want to hug, pet, and call George. - Phil G
I want to put him in my pocket.. or make him a cell phone strap :) - Mona Nomura
Bunny!! I want to put it on my head. - Louie
I want to store it in my mouth -left cheek to be exact! - Mona Nomura
I wasn't even gonna Like this until Louie said he wants to put it on his head....What?! LOL - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Do Want! 'Cept my cats would, um, think it's a toy. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
oh my heck. cuteoverload, anyone? - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Look at his mouth... soooooo cute!!!!!! - Mona Nomura
cute cute cute! - Sarah Austin
I want to put this cutie in my purse and carry it around. :D - Daynah
I want it on top of my cake! - Mona Nomura
BUNNY!!!!!!! sooooooo cute!!!!! *big smile* - Susan Beebe
Mmm, dinner. (I'm kidding, of course) - Jordan Hofker
broccoli <3 - Mona Nomura
J.C. Hutchins
Eep! Jane Alpha wants to write a letter to Steve Jobs. Paragraph #4: "And what's up with the turtleneck? You look like a fucking retard."
Heh! I like Jane Alpha. - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Chris Brogan
Just like with Calacanis, I wouldn't want to be in such a tribe. The future is open and transparent. Godin is wrong. - Meryn Stol
A signal that his new book sucks no doubt? - Brian Sullivan
Transparency has never been very high on human behavior. - Mário Pires
Mario: True, but reputational effects will win out. Non-transparent people will be left behind. They'll slowly become invisible. As such, they will be unobservable in practice, and not part of the visible future. I see you because you post in public! - Meryn Stol
Come to think of it, they'll indeed be like tribes. Like "primitive" tribes. Those exist. They'll might survive. But they won't have influence. - Meryn Stol
"You have to be committed enough to pre-order my book, sight unseen ... months in advance." Wow. That's some pathetic marketing right there. - Nathaniel Payne
I hope it's a secret test of Godin for how many readers of him "don't get it". :) - Meryn Stol
Meryn, you have a point about the reputation. If one gets trust on opinions or actions, then people will listen. - Mário Pires
I wonder if there's a pattern of "falling stars" (let's say those are Calacanis and Godin) to flee with some followers into there own little worlds, where they still can feel a star. - Meryn Stol
Interesting bunch of thoughts. I'm interested, and I'm going to take a look-see all the way around to understand beyond his blog post where he's going. - Chris Brogan
@Nathaniel I expected more from Seth -- doesn't this, in away, "cheapen" the book? - Shey, Jamaican of FF
I soured on Godin when I invited him to be on Inside the Net. He responded "I'm working really hard not to do podcasts that have fewer than 25,000 subscribers." I asked him how he knew we had fewer than 25,000 listeners (we had 70,000+) and he responded that he figured I would tell him if we didn't. I didn't bother to correct him. For a "marketing expert" he didn't seem very clued in about new media. - Leo Laporte
Seriously? - Jennifer Van Grove
Sounds like him and Scoble have jumped the shark - Fred Grott
@Leo - nicely done. :) This whole concept just reeks of elitism to me, and I don't care for it. - Nathaniel Payne
"You have to be committed enough to pre-order my book, sight unseen" -- really? Update: Sorry Nathaniel - didn't see you said the same thing !! Yeah - Um - really? - LPH™ and his dog P™
Yeah...this is the new trend, it seems. The problem is, only 1% are biting, and that 1% are even dwindling quickly. - Bradley McSpinn
I *will* be in the Godin tribe. Pre-sale book hype always works on me... ;-) - Barbara K. Baker
"A tribe for marketers" - I can already see that this isn't a tribe I'd care to join. - David Worrell
Hey, guys. I'm starting a new club. It will only be open to people I deem worthy, you have to buy my book in advance without even knowing anything about it (besides the fact that it's written by me, and really, isn't that enough?), oh, and a generous charitable contribution to my investment portfolio couldn't hurt, either. ;) - Nathaniel Payne
Ok, I see your point, but thing is I'll probably buy the book anyways so I may as well get in on the action. I can always choose to ignore later! What gets me is this conversation should be taking place on his blog! - Bill Deys
Looks like smart book marketing to me, that's all. Don't over analyze it. Go with it, or don't. - Jim Kukral
Godin is dead to me. Squidoo was the first sign of senility. This book thing is the next. @Leo's anecdote is the third strike, for me. It's not the size of the audience that hears you, it's who's in that audience. I do podcasts with *any* size audience, because those people, however few they may be folks who have never heard of me or my works... and want to. I'll take any free horse, and I don't care what it's teeth look like, y'know? - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
I'm in. Just pre-ordered the book. Maybe some peeps have have charge on the word "tribe," but Seth's on to something here - this is a terrific concept. I appreciate those who get out there and make stuff happen, and those who aren't afraid to stick their neck out. I don't always agree with Seth's strategies (like turning off blog commenting :() but I like his work. - Mari Smith
@Bill Oh, I'll probably get the book, too, but it will be on MY terms, not to get into his elite club. I'll get it after people have already raved about the usefulness of its content. What really gets me is that this idea seems to run completely counter to how Seth normally operates. - Nathaniel Payne
Seth needs to reread his book Meatball Sunday! Is he pushing a pyramid skim? "Buy my book to join my tribe!" John Chow! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Almost everything wrong in the world can be traced back to tribal instincts and thinking. To encourage it is discouraging. - Todd Hoff
I like Seth's early works but ... he seems to be mailing it in lately. Agree with Matthew on Squidoo. I'm rejecting the 'cool kids' high-school click club. You want me to buy your book (new) - write something provocative that I can't help but want to pick up. What happened to gradual engagement? - AJ Kohn
I also hate him using the "tribe" meme! I am a Hebrew and that is a tribe! Who the Fuck is Seth? Meatball Sunday? LMAO A micro community like we have on Friend Feed, yes! A tribe no! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Have we learned nothing from Clay Shirky? /smirk - Eric Rice
What's so great about an exclusive elite tribe where the only requirement to get in is to buy a book? Heck, you could even pre-order the book, get in, and cancel the pre-order. If this is representative of the awesome marketing skills you're supposed to learn by being in the tribe, you might want to look elsewhere. "Even with just a few people in the pre-beta tribe we've built, I can... more... - Mark Trapp
He's merely being explicit about what all these social media sites are about anyway, especially in beta: tribalism. - Prokofy Neva
I don't understand this elite, access only stuff in the context of social media. The idea of social media is that you build your knowledge by leveraging different perspectives and views that you would not have had otherwise. This access only tribe has the whiff of inbreeding and group think that quickly turns out stale ideas. I'm not looking for 'yes man media' - AJ Kohn
It's the misguided reaction from the big names who billed social media as the next great thing, but now realize they don't want to deal with the unwashed masses who bought into it as well. It's funny how ineffective these attempts to make it elite access are, though: Calacanis's private one-on-one 2775 member email list, now Godin's elite tribe that only requires you to pre-order a book that's less than $20. Let them "privatize" themselves into irrelevance. - Mark Trapp
Me think Seth was one of the "out" kids growing up, now he wants to be the "in" kid! lmao Poor Seth must have got picked on in Junior High School. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'm going to sign up. Why would I crap on something ahead of time? - Chris Brogan
I read the description on Amazon and it seemed the blog post is in sync what the book is about. - Jonathan Kong
+1 todd. the last time anyone pulled crap like this it was Tom Sawyer. "Nahhh, only members of the Exclusive Club can whitewash this fence, sorry. If you fork over $14 in advance, I might see if I can get you one of the few remaining slots left." Chris, it's not crapping on something ahead of time, so much as refusing to pay in advance for something of unknown value. - Karim
BTW I'd like to announce my new Sucker of the Month Club. There are only a few remaining memberships available, and they're going fast. The sooner you sign up, the better -- lower membership numbers get bragging rights and dibs on whatever crap I decide to throw to members. Act now, quantities are limited! - Karim
The times they are a-changing' and I'm changing with them... - Ricardo Rabago
Andrew Fielding
I've started to go to Mahalo when i want the most up to date news instead of going to CNN, anyone else doing the same thing? - http://www.mahalo.com
Yes, me! But that might not count...It's my job, after all. - Lon Harris from twhirl
Jason Calacanis
Wow, everyone thinks Google Knol will kill Mahalo. Very different than last year when folks said Mahalo would kill Google. Thoughts?
Plenty of space for both, no worries. - Dave Martin
Google Knol doesn't come close to being a killer app. I predict it will be a total bust. Has no useful wiki features. - Roger Jennings
Jason it's not a killer - it's too strick! - Anne Haynes
Ironically, Knol's search feature doesn't work. Try searching for Obama. This Knol has substantial Obama content: http://tinyurl.com/59oj4d - Roger Jennings
Somebody actually said Mahalo would kill google? - loren feldman
I think a lot of good comments have been made here and that (much to the surprise of some) Mahalo has proved that there is a space for human powered search and has continued to corner that market. I think that it will be interesting to see how all the pieces come to together but I don't see Knol invading Mahalo's space or stealing it's eyeballs. Just my 2-cents. - Nicholas Kreidberg
is it even possible to kill something that large? That would be like trying to put out the sun with a water pistol... - Live4Emma (L4S)
Wait wait, who said Mahalo would kill Google? - Andru Edwards
Why would anyone make either wild prediction. Let's see what the market says. I say: the target audiences are different. - Joe from twhirl
I don't think Knol will kill Mahalo... I think it will likely kill Squidoo. - Clay Newton
i like ice cream and pizza - Noah David Simon
I don't know who will kill who but I expect many publishers will be cut/pasting Wikipedia, Wikia and Mahalo into Knol so I would watch it. - Sam Pullara
But you've got the ace in the hole Mahalo Daily with Leah and Lons - Andrew Fielding from twhirl
I think it was just you saying Mahalo would kill Google :) - James Joyner
Mahalo didn't need anyone to kill it, it was doing just fine at slow suicide. - Jason Carreira
I made a promise not to go to Knol - ain't gonna do it. - LPH™ and his dog P™
I think Google has spent most of its good karma, Jason. You've got that going for you. - Chris Baskind
I still say Pizza and Ice Cream is the Mahalo killer - Noah David Simon
Google provides ads for both Knol and Mahalo. So, they might prefer to kill Wikipedia - Kerem Ozkan
I don’t see knol been comparable to Mahalo, not even Knol been comparable to WikiPedia. There is only one and unique service in each side of the fence, but Google Knol does not seem to be any killer as its too much "formal" for earlier adopters and that can be a “turnoff” for most users - Joao
Agree with others here...who said Mahalo would kill Google? - Hutch Carpenter
You're in big trouble my friend...sorry. They have the R&D and the capital to do whatever they want. - Ryan
Guys Jason is doing what Jason does and he is doing his best to create controversy which promotes Mahalo by keeping it in the headlines etc. Why do you think he is the one always bringing it up. I love this about Jason, clever guy. I still remember the famous 'how to get a link from Jason' linkbait rules. - Roger Kondrat
Smoke and mirrors doesn't make Mahalo suck less, though - Jason Carreira
Knol would have to kill about.com first before it gets to Mahalo. - Morton Fox
It will go knolwhere :) - Grant
it will go knolwhere - ahaaahaaahaaa - Anne Haynes
I don't. see my blog, I even photoshpped ya ;) - sean percival
once they integrate knol in their search results there's not much of a competitive advantage left for your product - franzstehrn
As of today, I think it'd be a stretch to say that Mahalo and Knol are even positioned to move on the same target markets. Leaving aside my personal suspicions that Google will bore with Knol and scuttle it before it matures into a threat, at the moment about.com and squidoo are its direct competitors, as others have pointed out. - Derrick Burns
the team (which rolled out Knoll) has US-centric obsession (see their FAIL with identification), hence it won't get any better soon on global level, so.... looks like another Yahoo service or what? - A.T.
Given that you are first and foremost a businessman Jason -- what is your exit strategy with Mahalo? - Nicholas Kreidberg
Not worried at all, frankly. I took a look at it and am simply not impressed. - Andrew Dobrow
I've yet to hear Mahalo was a Google killer. - Chris Nixon
oh.. scoble and some others said human search/mahalo/social search would kill google. I never said i agreed with that... i don't buy into the whole one company kills another since that really doesn't happen often. Apple is doing amazing without kill microsoft, and microsoft has amazing market share and they are not killing Apple. normally 2-3 companies share a market... and in human powered search we will be one of them. :-) - Jason Calacanis
Good follow-up. - Nicholas Kreidberg
Why did no one think to Google it? http://www.google.com/search... Is this a Google killer? Nothing is going to "kill" Google - paul mooney
Shawna Benson
“Sam Raimi doing Shadow not Doc Savage” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
Ah, man, I would love to see a really faithful and fun Doc Savage. :-( - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Kevin Fox
McCain Makes Historic First Visit to Internet - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-bo...
"McCain aides said that the senator's journey to the Internet will span five days and will take him to such far-flung sites as Amazon.com, eBay and Facebook." - Kevin Fox from Bookmarklet
We're already talking about this item here: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Robert Scoble
Funny! - Sean McBride
Yeah, but I wanted to talk about it with *my* friends. Is it a social faux-pas to try and enforce comment consolidation of someone else's entry? - Kevin Fox
I just noticed how useful it was for Scoble to post that crosslink here -- I wish Friendfeed would find and display these crosslinks automatically. One often misses interesting discussions for lack of crosslinks. - Sean McBride
McCain visits the "Tubes"... that make up the Internet! Yay! - BlueMoonMultimedia from twhirl
Kevin: I don't know. I figured your friends might like to know about an interesting conversation going on with my friends. :-) I wish FriendFeed would show where other places a conversation is being discussed. - Robert Scoble
Whoops - hope I didn't step on Kevin's toes by endorsing the interesting crosslink. - Sean McBride
Sean: yeah, I guess Kevin wanted to open a private room here for him to discuss this ONLY with his friends. I think FriendFeed needs to have a construct to make that possible. Maybe my taking items like this into a room where only the friends of that person can get into it? - Robert Scoble
Robert - Kevin raises a valid point when you think about it -- no doubt a software solution is available upon reflection. In any case, I am enjoying the crosslink. - Sean McBride
So my comment about consolidation was intended mostly to initiate a conversation on the subject. Success! To my mind a lot of the value of FriendFeed is the ability to have conversations scoped by friend connections. I actually saw Michael Markman's twitter first, and decided I liked the story, and would like to share and talk about it with my friends, rather than the strangers who were... more... - Kevin Fox
Hi-tech is turning us all into time-wasters http://www.guardian.co.uk/science... - johnpiercy
Kevin: get over it. I'm going to keep joining these things because I want MY friends to see all conversations on a topic. :-) Of course, if you take it into a room, then I'll probably leave them there. I don't get why you didn't just "Like" the original item, which would have shown your friends the item and gotten them involved in the conversation. What, you don't want your friends to hang out with my friends? I don't get the value of having just your friends see something... - Robert Scoble
Kevin: my thought: Friendfeed should be infinitely flexible. Users should be able to organize conversations every which way, with any level of inclusivity or exclusivity. You've got a valid point and raised an important issue about social protocols here. - Sean McBride
By the way, I'd love to debate this face-to-face on video. I bet it would get something very interesting going. It also explains some of the design behind FriendFeed and why many people I show it to say "it's too noisy." - Robert Scoble
uh oh - I'm not going to be asked to choose sides here am I? ; ) - Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Scoble is operating in the Walt Whitmanesque universal embrace of the cosmos. :) - Sean McBride
Marco: no. But it would be interesting to know your thoughts. - Robert Scoble
"I wouldn't want someone siphoning off my conversation " , Kevin I agree. There are topic and threads which are 'yours' , regardless of whereelse the conversation maybe happening. I would not want (a) somebody to inject themselves into my thread and hijak the conversation (b) to redirect my friend to another thread. We kinda forget our common good sense manners when we get into convos on FF. Both items(a and b) , would be considered rude inturruptions in RL life . Just my way of thinking and I maybe wrong ! - Peter Dawson
I admit, I liked this thread for the FF comments, not the article. - Hao Chen
Robert: It didn't sound like your purpose in commenting was to make sure your followers saw this conversation, but to consolidate the conversation into a single thread. Please don't twist this into a 'what, my friends aren't good enough for you?' I believe that conversational diaspora is a good thing, and that artificial comment consolidation is not. If I had something to say in the... more... - Kevin Fox
Actually, the only thing that frustrates me in this thread is that by the time I finish writing a comment, 5 other people have written new comments, making it look like my comment was written with the awareness of those comments. Ugh! Definitely a user experience issue. :-P - Kevin Fox
You know, I'm sure Michael Markman didn't appreciate the siphoning off of comments from his thread when Kevin Fox, authoritative Friendfeed person tons of people are following, reposted the same link. Or maybe it's good to just not worry about where conversations are going? Isn't that the value of Friendfeed? Who cares who's siphoning from whom? Who cares where links are re-shared? Oh,... more... - Mark Trapp
Kevin: I wanted to do both. Your friends should know about an interesting conversation happening about that topic somewhere else, and should be able to discuss it amongst themselves too, here. Personally, you should have loaded a comment that made it clear what your intent was. If I want to talk about something with just my friends, I would have loaded a comment with a link to the original, but with a comment saying "I want to talk about it just with my friends, to see what you think." - Robert Scoble
Re a F2F conversation on video: that would be cool. I've been meaning to write a blog post on 'who owns the conversation'. I've got some concrete ideas on the subject, especially how it pertains to conversations about blog posts that happen off-blog, but I also don't feel any one person has the right to speak for others in a 'this is how things should be' kind of way. Definitely one of those social issues that is still contested because it's so new. - Kevin Fox
We're now discussing this here: http://friendfeed.com/e... See Kevin how I stated my intent? - Robert Scoble
There should be an easier way to view all the conversations on a particular piece of content. FF should connect all the threads in the background through some unique identifier for the content (like the URL that this link points to), then let people decide whether they want to view just their friends' comments or those from extended community (including imported Disqus / Intense Debate comments for the same URL). - Joe Lazarus
Now we know why McCain has not visited The Internet - Shakeel Mahate
@scobleizer on the original McCain/internet piece or the discussion over comment fragmentation it has morphed into? lol - Marco(aureliusmaximus)
In Geoff's best McCain Voice "I need The Googles installed please" - Geoff Schultz
don't have to read the article... the title is priceless - Rob Reed
I'm not quite sure what is "historic" about a septuagenarian visiting the internet. Are we meant to be impressed? My mother is 72 and does quite a number of tasks online, as do many people of her age and considerably older. - Ian May
Apparently Kevin because Robert stumbled on your thread, he was already your friend or perhaps in some other way in your Friendfeed vicinity -- and you say you wanted to discuss this with friends -- so from his point of view your entry may have looked like a dupe. And dupes among segments of friends are indeed a problem on Friendfeed. Nobody minds the dupes we don't notice, but we may mind having the conversation on the same thing split up among segments of our friends. - Philipp Lenssen
@Kevin - allow sub-comments which are comments to comments to make it easier to allow people to talk the person who's talking. Again making this a simple UI is of a challenge as it may soon turn out to be ugly... Also, please allow to scope your post/comment to only your friend/family/colleagues etc So that you dont want every one to see them... I sort of agree with your point of the... more... - Krishna Gade
@Mark Trapp... thank for looking out for my feelings. But I don't feel any ownership in discussions about something that Andy Borowitz wrote. Now, if I had written the original piece, I might feel differently. - Michael Markman
@Ian May It's a comedy bit that combines a) McCain's having disparaged Obama for not visiting Iraq and b) McCain's boast to the NY Times that he's learning to get online. - Michael Markman
Andy's piece is well-written. Thanks for sharing, Kevin, wouldn't have seen otherwise. - Stephen Mack
Why is this thread being highjacked to discuss FF features?! I thought it was about McCain visitng the "Internet" :) - Shivanand Velmurugan
This thread keeps growing and still going nowhere. It is really simple: if you want to discuss things only with your friends, make a private room just for you and your friends, and post "friends only" stuff there. No one else needs to find you've created a separate thread of "their" topic somewhere else. - Dread Pirate PJ
I have a very simple model of ff, which is perhaps a lot like Kevin's. I come here to discuss things with my ff friends. Many of them are people I don't know at all in rl, but it's important to me that these conversations are mostly with the same 100-200 people, over and over again. As a result, rooms are not very useful to me, since when I comment on something in a room, it is not automatically placed in the feed of all my friends. Rooms are at least useful for finding content and resharing it..... - j1m
The feeds of people with very many friends, like Robert, are not very useful either. With so many people commonly commenting on his thread, I mostly don't remember who any one person is from one encounter to another, and for me that makes conversation a lot less fun. So Robert's feed, also, is mostly useful for resharing. - j1m
I do really wish that ff would organize feed items that share a url, by presenting them all (that is, all the ones I can see) right next to one another, or joining them into a single nested feed item, that has the different conversations hanging off of it. - j1m
ahem, wtfbbq? - j1m
Eric Dorsett
Leo Laporte
Audible is giving away a free sci-fi book. The Disappeared by Kristine Kathryn Rusch. http://is.gd/XuP Anyone know the book? Is it good?
ohhhhh...... Audible. Always doing the right thing. Gosh I love Audible (and no they don't pay me!) - Jason Calacanis
I'll love Audible when they do the really right thing and drop the DRM. Until then, I won't pay to lease their stuff. - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Audible is a great service in theory, but until they drop the DRM it is worthless to me. According to Amazon in response to an inquiry from me, "Audible is DRM agnostic," but you wouldn't know it from their actions. Denying DRM-free audiobooks for publishers that request them does not seem very agnostic to me. - Nicholas Sanders
Jason Calacanis
Copyfight: Mahalo Daily suspended from YouTube - http://valleywag.com/5025952...
yes, it's true. Viacom filed multiple bogus DMCA claims against us for an event that they invited us to. This has cost us money and killed our Youtube account for two days and counting. horrible - Jason Calacanis from Bookmarklet
That sucks! - Matt Baron
And you are seeking compensation? - Brian Sullivan
I read that Mahalo isnt suing and I applaud that. Calacanis always seemed fairly stand up and not suing is the stand up thing to do. Just keep the we want sushi attitude and it will do you more good. - Cody Heitschmidt
apparently it's going to be sushi compensation. heh. - Ben Hwang from Alert Thingy
Wow two days down? Thats a lot of sushi. Have them spring for Katsu-ya at Studio City - Jose Alvarez
Sorry to hear it. I've written about this business before. YouTube's accepting DMCA claims without investigation is just wrong. - James Joyner
sue 'em Jason:) - Grant
Maybe YouTube can make up for the error by Featuring Mahalo Daily on their Front page for a couple days - Jeff Hoard from twhirl
the dummies at youtube just hit suspend, suspend, suspend w/o asking questions or doing a little investigation. a bit like facebook now that I think of it....right scoble? - Brian Ries
Jason, I take that you've filed a DMCA counter claim - Duncan Riley
Good luck, Jason. - Chris Baskind
Wow. And I thought it was exciting when we moms got suspended for our breast feeding montage.... - Erin @queenofspain
Can't wait to read the next revision of the Viacom page on Mahalo. ;) - Chris Luckhardt
Jason, just make a custom channel at www.magnify.net and scrap Youtube. - Jim Kukral from twhirl
Breaking: Jason Calacanis quits digital video. Will now only show film via Drive-in theater :) - Andrew Smith
"filed multiple bogus DMCA claims" - the key word here is bogus - fr what I under stand this implies that Viacoms Legal Consul (A) does not know DMCA laws (b), did not do a due dilgence revie before filing DMCA. Did they not contacting you with a C&D prior to the DMCA notice ? Would you care to pub the C&D at least? The :term "bogus" is certainly a funny word. Jason, you should counter sue i, because they after all invited you to the event and you had permissions to record and distribute the content correct - Peter Dawson
now you know how I feel about twitter. scum always win unless you fight back - Noah David Simon
Jason - we spoke earlier today, contact me if you'd like this written about (tyler has my contact info) - Andrew Feinberg
so mainstream media doesn't want coverage? Fine. Stop reporting their news. - Frank Jonen from Alert Thingy
C. K. Sample III
Google's answer to Second Life... Windoze only. boo!: http://www.lively.com/html...
It's in beta! You test in the biggest market... which isn't Apple. I'm sure a Mac version will come along - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Steve Riekeberg
Wow, the New Media Expo is really sneaking up on me... so who's going this year?
Me! Me! Me! and Wife! - Kreg Steppe
Nope. - Douglas E. Welch from twhirl
@douglaswelch What?! You ain't going? It won't be the same without you! - Kreg Steppe
Not me. Was barely relevant last year (for me.) Can't justify just going for social reasons, though I'd love to see my friends. - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
Let me rephrase that a bit. I'm not going unless someone is paying my way...or I am making money while I am there. :) - Douglas E. Welch from twhirl
Jason Calacanis
1938 Media Loses Verizon Deal Over Racism Charges - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
.... if you want to push the envelope you've got to be prepared to get pushed back. That simple. - Jason Calacanis from Bookmarklet
Just goes to show you that your past posts on the internet can come back to hurt you in unsuspected ways. - Jim McCusker
I'm totally going to regret that leopard print thong hula dance video I did, when I run for president. - Bradley McSpinn
I think he will find a better sponsor that supports that concept - Fred Grott
evidence is a bitch these daysd - Dan Rockwell from twhirl
I simply do not understand why people think it's Verizon's job to uphold this guy's right to free speech on their network. They are a damn cell-phone company for God's sake. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
You'll pay top-dollar for the tenderloin of sacred cows. - Christopher Harley
No, they were yanked because someone brought the video to Verizon's attention. There was no strong arming. I promise you that Verizon did not review the video and then decide to sign the agreement. - Russell Holliman
wait reviewing a video that was never to air on their service in the first place? Sounds like back channel play to me - Fred Grott
@vinny those videos were over the top, and I agree with Jason, if you are willing to push the envelope, there's an implicit risk in that. I think the videos are right on the line if not over it myself, so I am not surprised at all with the decision. Just because Loren isn't risk averse doesn't mean Verizon shouldn't be. - Clay Newton
as was stated in a different thread, it sure doesn't take very long for people's true colors to show. we get it vinny, you don't like like loudmouth activist whiners. i'm sure they don't care for people like you in return. - Cee Bee
What is really sad for me is that most of the reporting around this was wrong on facts - Dennis Howlett from twhirl
just spell his name write - Marc Canter
i wrote about offensive content aligned with brands - in my case i used facebook's ads. imagine an ad where you're asked if you "wanna bang cindy mccain?" or even worse, michelle obama. http://is.gd/NCr - brands have to be careful to police this sort of thing. an offensive ad or a video aligned with a corporate brand can be a bad thing. so, if you use the word "nigger", or variations of it, and you're not a black person, you'll get attacked by pc america. we're not surprised here, right? - Brooks Bayne
nah, i'm not labeling you as racist, because you haven't said anything outright to earn that label yet, but you do seem to take offense with people who have an earnest gripe over this situation by casting them off as "loudmouth activists" or whiny reactionaries. i don't believe you get the message if you think they're the only ones who can possibly be offended by such a video. - Cee Bee
oh so the video made by that clown has nothing to do with people being offended? all that is beside the point and inconsequential? if it wasn't for groups such as that one speaking out on behalf of others, i doubt much would have been brought to light because those individuals who would have and do complain are and will also be viewed as nothing more than "loudmouths" and "pc" bullies. - Cee Bee
At what point can we get away from the strawman defense? If someone or organization is behind this... who? - Evo Terra from twhirl
When you play, be prepared to pay - Dave Martin
@Vinny - Thanks for the link. - Evo Terra from twhirl
Vinny, Verizon is a business and if they don't feel like paying some guy to distribute his content, that's their choice. End of story. - Eric Eldon
Vinny, why don't you go organize your own protest that encourages Verizon to be less influenced by people you disagree with? If Verizon can be convinced that growing a spine is worth it, after all, they will. I'm also curious why you're so angry about this particular issue. Seems like you have some deep-seated issues here, judging by the torrent of vitriol coming out of you. - Eric Eldon
Vinny, judging from your Twitter feed, this isn't just about you defending your friend. I also don't get why you're insulting me. I'm pretty sure we don't know each other at all. - Eric Eldon
Vinny disagrees = vitriol ; Others agree = PC enlightenment - William, CPU Media
Look guys, I have a thick skin so I don't really care what you try to label me as, but I do like understanding what the issues actually are. From the start of this whole thing, all I've said is that Verizon was well within its rights to yank Feldman, if that's what they want to do. I can be convinced otherwise -- I'll totally defend Feldman's rights to publish whatever he wants on his own blog. - Eric Eldon
Podiobooks.com
New blog post: Taking a Brave Men Run up the Amazon charts! http://www.podiobooks.com/blog...
Jason Calacanis
Working on Mahalo's mission statement. Would love some feedback on it: "We're here to help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust." - http://any feedback?
I trust you Jason and Mahalo! - Larry from twhirl
Go with the Jerry Maguire manifesto - stephen o reilly
It's nice, and accurate, but it would be great if we could get something in there about curation. I feel like that's the best description of what it is we actually do. - Lon Harris from twhirl
How about mentioning that "We're people helping people easily find info, etc." to differentiate from algorithms? - Tom Guarriello
Simple and to the point. Thumbs up! - Will Hirsbrunner
We are here to assist people by easily finding the right information, answers, and resources with a human touch ;) - Robert Barr
how about something about free pizza and tshirts? - Stefan Hayden
I think it needs to be more proactive . . . like "We help people find information, answers and resources they can trust." - Telemill
Yeah Cason I don't think you could've put it more simple - John Blanton from twhirl
Jeez, you've been hanging out with Leo too long...sounds like some of the TWiT network's catchphrase has rubbed off. However, it does sum up Mahalo to a T. - Steve Gillette from twhirl
It's a great mission statement. Especially with FTGs creating pages, and link checkers (such as mike, debbie, and jeffhoard) checking all user-submitted links. I say that mission statement is a keeper - nice and accurate. PS, Jason, I've left you a few pieces of feedback to your Mahalo email address. ;) - Chris Thomson
"Don't be google" - Stefan Hayden
Lon Harris: a mission statement shouldn't get into execution as that is secondary to purpose. Our mission is to help folks find this information, but the way we do that is going to change and evolve. The fact that we currently do curation of links is really not super important to the mission... if we wind up getting a better product using another process (i.e. social bookmarking or semantic search) then we will do that. So, that's why i left out "with humans" or "by using human intelligence." - Jason Calacanis
Or even . . . "With Mahalo find the information, answers and resources you can trust." - Telemill
I see your point, but regardless of the process, think Mahalo would always involve some form of curation. Even social bookmarking would "curate" the Web, albeit differently than we do now. - Lon Harris from twhirl
Well, it COULD be simpler . . . "Mahalo, information you can trust" but then you sound like a bank for something. - Telemill
A mission statement is about you, your business and your ideals.The best policy to a mission statement is to keep those three things in mind and, keep it short and simple. "We're here to help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust." sounds a bit more like a catch phrase or slogan. What is Mahalo going to do to achieve that statement? - Candace
Telecommutingmillionaire: I like the "We" It adds the human element vital to Mahalo without beating you over the head. I agree that it seems long so here's a modification that takes out a few words,but not the meaning: "We're here to help you find trustworthy information, answers and resources." Leaving in the We and the You sends the "by human, for humans" message. - David Jones
I was musing the other day about whether mission statements still make sense. They remind of offsites and consultants. - John McCrea
The word information makes "answers and resources" redundant, doesn't it? How about "Mahalo is people connecting people to information they can trust.". - Joe Coughlin
@Telecommutingmillionaire "Mahalo, information you can trust" also sounds too close to "Netcasts you love from people you trust" from TWiT. For the network that Candace Holly and myself work on I picked the tagline "A Community of Creativity", simple and to the point. But that isn't exactly a mission statement rather than an overall tone. - The Geek Media
Don't forget to add a vision statement. Mission = What is our business. Vision = What we want to become. You will gain clarity by doing both rather than putting them into one statement. I have an outline that will get you there if you are interested. - Wade Bowlin
I think it's good. I think there can be a distinction between "answers" and "resources" and encourage you to keep the wording if it is accurate. - Kimberly J
How about adding something like: We sort through the rubbish, so you don't have to. - Ross Maguire
I think you should include the words "Real world" somewhere. Like "Solving real world problems." - jonn
needs to include the word "synergy" somewhere - Mistletoe Glen
Jason, it is alright, however... I would rather prefer the word "guide" to be placed in there. It shows that your company is more active in assisting the user instead of just "help" which seems more passive. - James Mowery from twhirl
needs more... "syngergy." And also some buzzwords indicating a strong human algorithm at work. =) - Andrew Ruess from twhirl
Andrew and I seem to be on the same path. That is, again, why I suggest replacing the word "help" with a stronger word. One that represents Mahalo's efforts in bringing the users the best quality information available. - James Mowery from twhirl
The tech writer in me wants to cut it down to "We help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust." I agree that it doesn't emphasize the human element as much as I'd like. - Brent Newhall
Comment: Interesting that you're crowd-sourcing a mission statement-- seems that a singular point of view would be important. Suggestion: it helps to define scope, focus, and end-result. Right now, your mission statement doesn't appear to drive employees down particular directions when they hit crossroads. Example: Mahalo exists to guide customers to the most relevant and trustworthy answers whenever/wherever they have questions - Vijay Goel
We suck less than MS Search? :) - Fred Grott
shorten it a bit? We help people... Make it more assertive too. I think someone already said this? So I'm just a copycat - cecilia from twhirl
@David Jones, I still feel you are softening up the "punch" of the statement with "we're here". Take the here out. Rearrange the last few words so it flows off the mind and the tongue . . . "We help you find trustworthy answers, information and resources." Answers should be first, because we all really want good answers. Information is also what we are searching for but it's such a esoteric concept. And please, is there another word we can use for resources? It's just so . . . corporate speak. - Telemill
Vijay: This isn't crowdsourcing. :-) It's asking the cloud for comments and feedback. - Brent Newhall
Revisit Guykawasaki's lecture at last years Gnomedex, you'll end up with "Answers you can trust" - Greg Birch
I hate to say this but it doesn't really catch my attention. It seems too generic. - Blaine Fleming
It does sound like a corporate mission statement, I might Leo-ize it to "the answers you want, from people you trust." Just because Mahalo seems to be positioned as a friendlier entity than most corporations. - Robert Morrison
The test would be how many employees can remember, and recite the "mission" no fluff, all my staff know our mission is "to give patients hope" Guy gave a great talk, mission statements that sound great can be found at http://www.netinsight.co.uk/portfol... but they usually fail the staff test. Disney's mission statement "to make people happy" even a CEO can remember that. - Greg Birch
"we're here to help you find photos of hot chicks a lot quicker than normal" - Rick
mahalo: we do search without the suck - Andrew
We're here to help people enjoy finding answers, info and sources they can believe in. - Mark Alves
"We're here to help people easily find information, answers and resources they can trust by empowering the passionate internet community." - Techboy2000
Mur Lafferty
I think I should wear my goggles with the gattling gun attachment while I vacuum. Does anyone second this proposal?
murdylize those dust bunnies! - Matthew Wayne Selznick from twhirl
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