For instance imagine a web centric Logic where I could jam with others around the world and the experience was as good as the desktop app
- Stephen Pickering
HTML5 cough? I haven't seen that extension to the spec
- Kevin Marks
With Apps there is less friction. For instance Photoshop is too intimidating but Instagram and Camera+ are cheap, effective, and fun!
- Stephen Pickering
I bet everyone has all their bases covered just in case
- Francine Hardaway
The advantage of the web is the Cloud, the advantage of native is speed and processing power, both have their + and - and both will continue to grow
- Stephen Pickering
And then how will I watch this live without Flash?
- Francine Hardaway
I carry a a big bag with me always now so I can carry my ipad always
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If/when Android becomes as or more monetizable than iOS and HTML5 mobile experiences continue improve at the same rate they are now, there shouldn't be much reason to build native applications in 1-2 years.
- Darren Bounds
Francine: hopefully soon. Ustream sucks and forces use of a specific workflow. Since Gillmor uses a Tricaster it is flash only.
- Robert Scoble
Darren: which is why I focus mostly on distribution.
- Robert Scoble
But with the web you get better syncing so to speak. For instance my weight loss app on iPhone and iPad don't sync but if they were web based...
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: lots of weight loss apps sync to other places. If they don't, they should be pushed to. But true webapps can't talk to the GPS inside the phone.
- Robert Scoble
Because Instagram uses the web as its back end and places the data there
- Stephen Pickering
Web (html) apps need to make sure that they have cool icon images built in to their code. Easy to do for iOS. Easy in-app monetization is harder to do but not impossible. And NFC will bring app impulse buy behaviors to retailers and physical goods. WIth each buy, you could give consumer option to "drop" an app on the buyers' mobile device. Does not matter if it's native or not.
- Alex de Soto
So if the Apple / Android app store supported the installation of mobile web apps to the desktop the issue would go away?
- Darren Bounds
They're looking at the rest of the World where Windows brand is more popular and respected than within the Geek community in America and the UK
- Stephen Pickering
Having spent the last week in the UK, Apple is definitely running away with the market here. Many Android devices but most users I've spoken with would rather have an iPhone.
- Darren Bounds
In UK alone, Google’s Android Operating System accounts for 44.9% of the whole smartphone market. Having grown steadily from last year’s 37.4%, the Android OS gained 8.3% in market share as opposed to Apple’s iOS which showed a decline of 13.3% from 2010′s 32.9% to this year’s 19.6%. Being so, iOS remained Android’s close contender as it holds the number three spot with RIM’s BlackBerry...
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- Kevin Marks
let me find newer ones, but i bet iOS is displacing blackberry
- Kevin Marks
i just downloaded a london pocket guide for one trip
- Francine Hardaway
Totally agree that Apple is the best, but must have a ton of respect for Google getting in early enough to be a respectable competition. Just that act alone shows the competitive nimbleness of Google to me, the fact that they executed on Android
- Stephen Pickering
Is it true that Apple will launch it's own Mapping Service
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Kevin: That's interesting. I definitely see an Android majority but most people seem to want an iPhone. Why they don't buy one, I'm not sure. Cost? Carrier?
- Darren Bounds
Robert: Specifically here in the UK.
- Darren Bounds
JK Rowling just ignored both Kindle and iBooks with Pottermore
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Pottermore books work on Kindle and Ipad etc
- David Lloyd
Robert: Yes, I've read your Quora response. I think it's quite accurate.
- Darren Bounds
Darren: it might be carrier focused. Also, use of phones in UK culture is quite different than here. The newspapers put texting numbers on top of front page there, for instance. I've never seen that here. So, there's a very strong texting culture.
- Robert Scoble
Just blipped "It's the End of the World as We Know it"
- Stephen Pickering
Heh. I'm going to Maker Faire on Sunday and Stanford on Saturday.
- Robert Scoble
Stepen, i'm working in a Tel Aviv startup that develops a cloud security solution.
- Nir Ben Yona
This was something just tweeted to me by someone that I think is a very cool gesture by a ballplayer for one of his fans via Twitter http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb...
- dlature
Benioff is a master on the earnings calls. The way he handles the analysts is a lesson of itself. Check out the Q&A transcript: http://seekingalpha.com/article...
- coldbrew
Robert: I emailed you early this week but I guess you were way too busy with your schedule.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, it's ok we're in contact with Lew Moorman.
- Nir Ben Yona
Pickering: LNKD's revenue is primarily from corporate recruiting budgets, not end users or advertising.
- coldbrew
valuation is too high, they'll have to work hard to keep their value during next Q's
- Naor Mark
Going pubic or being bought out shouldn't mean the Friendfeeding of a service; It should be the boost to the next level, not the buying of a boat for someone who doesn't care about you.
- Aron Michalski
Ah, IC, still it gives them exposure that Facebook really doesn't need
- Stephen Pickering
Groupon 2011 revenues said to be pacing at 3-4B, 70% operatng margins
- Dave Martin
Coldbrew is right. LNKD has a good mix of revenue sources from corporate including biz subscriptions and advertising.
- Alex de Soto
not just the bottles - taking water from one area and moving it elsewhere - big problem with Nestle and Michigan
- Xenophrenia
Groupon debuted their location-based mobile product this week. Groupon Now! Beta live in Chicago
- Dave Martin
That's it, I'm buying Sodastream which is an Israeli company also :-)
- Stephen Pickering
playboy could do good "up fronts"...sorry
- dlature
What's up with the 2 week delay on The Killing for On Demand?
- Aron Michalski
South Park looks like it's in its last season and the creators may go on to do something direct to the web (that's all I know about TV shows :).
- coldbrew
Hypothetically, what if you gave a friend your HBO/Dish credentials, could they then watch GO?
- Stephen Pickering
X- that $14 a month just for them is the key...
- Aron Michalski
for me, BD on linkedin is happening for several years, much more then on other platforms
- Naor Mark
I can afford $14 over $150 (because I'm NOT giving up my internet) ... ;-)
- Xenophrenia
HBO would cost me a additional 50 bucks a month due to the package BS
- dlature
Won't bet against Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn founder. Early funder of Facebook, Zynga others.
- Dave Martin
Every time I try to reprice my bundle it lkeeps getting closer to $200 a month; I just wish that would follow me world wide. Alas, they all want a bite.
- Aron Michalski
Reid is very smart. I once flew home in a private plane with him, great times.
- Robert Scoble
I'm just afraid of Facebook's "Silo" which seems to be getting thicker and not thinner
- dlature
dlature: we're definitely locked into Zuck's garden.
- Robert Scoble
You can post tweets selectively to LinkedIn by inserting #in in your post (after you set permission to connect with Twitter on the LinkedIn account).
- Alex de Soto
Robert: Reid was also one of the first believers to put money into Groupon
- Dave Martin
Alex: yup, I just shoved all my tweets over there and no one complained.
- Robert Scoble
the quality that Facebook and Twitter have is cohesiveness ... but they are also traps into a system that is very hard to 'get out of' pretty much because of inertia of numbers
- Xenophrenia
Bravos, Steve, Tina and gang. Great show.
- Dave Martin
it's spelled John Borthwick, but it's pronounced Throat WObbler Mangrove
- Kevin Marks
there's a lot of SKUs this time. 9 I count. 16, 32, 64 for Wifi. Same for 3G but x2 (GSM and CDMA). Plus they are still selling the old units..
- Jamie
Apps are definitely a deal breaker for me, personally. That said, we can't ignore these facts: 10 Reasons Why The Motorola Xoom Beats The iPad 2 http://bit.ly/gLfgpv
- Nir Ben Yona
Can you take a photo with the iPad 2??
- Ward Mundy
The Air is light enough to use as a portable cam
- Kevin Marks
said the connector was good for 1080p
- Jerome Hughes
I wonder if Doc has any comments re Monitor Consulting based at Harvard that took Libyan money to burnish the image of Gaddafi. Clay Shirky has been caught up in this as well.
- Jim Posner
Not just MS either. I feel less compelled to invest in full Adobe Creative Suites.
- Alex de Soto
conversation about iOS and iTunes begs the question ... what about the 'protesters' at the Apple event the other day ??
- studentforce
Canadian government cabinet ministers all have government issued iPads.
- Brian Sullivan
funny .... my wife was watching a Xoom commercial yesterday and said ... "take a look at the Motorola iPad" its like calling a tissue a "kleenex'
- studentforce
Different circles - the last 4 people whose machines I jumped on had IE6 :-p
- Denise Howell
Jamie: the UI needs a little bit more work to expose what's interesting there.
- Robert Scoble
ditto needs an iPhone and Facebook...
- Kevin Marks
Denise: I only talk to the tip of the spear. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I hope you fixed that for them, Denise
- Kevin Marks
The Xfinity apps from Comcast are pretty good.
- Alex de Soto
I have an iPhone and Facebook. What I need are friends :)
- Jamie
Kevin: there are lots of computers in conference rooms, lobbies, etc that aren't upgradeable by users and no one cares about them to upgrade them.
- Robert Scoble
It's becoming one channel, with multiple windows.
- Aron Michalski
Someone should caption you with your (er) hand up Robert: "Talk to the Tip!" Re fixing, yes, immediately.
- Denise Howell
Imagine; we've reached the point where we want less channels.
- Aron Michalski
My gogoinflight+iPad experience last week didn't work, the iPad choked on that connection. Also the hotel's later. Annoying; was glad I had the Air along too. (The good news is both fit comfortably in a purse.)
- Denise Howell
I know, Denise. I have both and take them both, too. But that's a problem
- Francine Hardaway
They are protecting the interests of the corporation they are part of.
- Aron Michalski
the chap gave me a channel list, and I had no idea which show is on which channel, as I use a DVR
- Kevin Marks
The network blocking/non-neutrality actions of the providers will be the big issue.
- Aron Michalski
Basic TV and Fat pipe for Google TV is what I have.
- cliveb
AT&T would give me free install only if I chose a TV package. I'll cancel it.
- Kevin Marks
Even the Time-Warner on demand has half of the primetime offerings, then you have to shift to a different provider on their internet connection to watch Fox/ABC on demand.
- Aron Michalski
make a good app and pay 30% and relinquish your direct relationship with the customer ..... any thoughts on this ??
- studentforce
The cable company bundling packages are non-sensical.
- coldbrew
espn3 is an exception for sports games....watched bowl games that I couldnt get with my limited basic
- dlature
It is signatory issues... Robert is right until the production structure of content is changed to incorporate ads/retail in (and hypervideo will do this) they will shift over to the new model... and like Apple, as they just set the precedent, they will take a piece of the revenue from integrated retail).
- davidlee
It's the value of intent over the value of "cache" there was a story earlier this week of a girl who sells 100,000 copies of her fiction through kindle without a publisher
- Stephen Pickering
Yes, she writes vampire crap for teens, apparently.
- coldbrew
The Last Mile is so important, and Comcast is my only choice
- Stephen Pickering
Coldbrew, yeah I didn't see what she writes, still its interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: I agree, just pointing it out for those that don't know.
- coldbrew
I mean re-build the company by letting those old divisions die
- Francine Hardaway
And yes, a whole company around UI. That is what APple's doing
- Francine Hardaway
Or maybe it's UX. At bottom, that's what all companies are built around
- Francine Hardaway
The innovator's dilemma is alive and well.
- coldbrew
Give me a tool to create. Give me a tool that will push me beyond my current work. The pen, the typewriter, the computer. The will to write and the ability to say something has to be there; the tool can take you to the next level.
- Aron Michalski
I have a PS3 and browsing on it is just terrible Jim. control pad as an input device really isn't ideal
- Jamie
ffs, everyone send your good health vibes to Borthwick.
- coldbrew
really wish I could browse on my iPad and flick to the tv
- Jim Posner
The Apple iOS device platform is also very adaptable or extendable. Medical devices, sensors, etc. will easily hook up. I'm sure Android and MS will move in that direction.
- Alex de Soto
Hate that part of the new Twitter app too. They did add some interesting features though. You can turn "Ignore local trends" in the settings and turn off pinstripes, whatever that is.
- Alex de Soto
I was happily using the official Twitter client until this update and I'm sure that myself and others will now explore all the 3rd party alternatives again....not good for them.
- Mark Krynsky
Hillary says VoA should become more like AJE. Wonder if the US could produce a credible network.
- Jim Posner
amm.. i guess you're right in a way, but still...it's hard to match the energies of building a company/product from scratch and see it grow when you're an "outsider"
- Naor Mark
I know what you mean, it might feel like a subcontractor in a way.
- Amit Morson
current conversation in Twitter server room: "You sure these are hot-swappable?" "Who left that fracking cup of tea on there . . ." GZZZZZZZZSSPT
- Ed Richardson
Play nice Ed, we have no idea if that happened again :)
- Rob Diana
have stopped asking/tweeting/posting about it being down
- ffcode
so what are the odds that they are launching lists to everyone today?
- Rob Diana
Hmm, the list functionality might be going live, true. Would have thought the beta programme might run a little longer. Perhaps this is setting a precedent for the future, like Apple, whenever there's a new release/product taken live the site goes down for 30mins? :)
- Ed Richardson
well.. my stream is on, but no lists..(yet?)
- Naor Mark
nope, no lists for me either. well, a man can dream.
- Rob Diana
well honestly, can't see myself starting to build lists in the current method.. so i can wait:)
- Naor Mark
Oh n/m, it just dawned on me the new feature from Twitter is Lists, thus the title of the thread, oh man, not weird, that's what I get for being over tired LOL TIM J. @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
That weird twitter url ended up redirecting to the Twitter homepage ? it originally was going to twitter .com / Majento / google (without the spaces) ? Never seen 2 directory deep on twitter unless it was something from Twitter itself .... weird TIM J. @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
It is the URL structure of lists, Ur probably being redirected as the feature is not yet available to all.
- Majento
You're right, not yet for me. I'll keep my fingers crossed though :D TIM J. @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
what is the Twitter list? I tried your URL but it doesn't go anywhere...
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
yikes. When will Twitter love me as much as Google Search does? (their algorithm does. See http://google.com/search... but clearly not the humans since I still haven't got my Wave invite!!! UGHGUHG!)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
I assume Twitter is down for everyone and not just me? And by 'down', I mean while you can access the site, updates from others aren't coming through to your stream (your own updates DO appear, oddly). Seemed to start misbehaving around 1526GMT. http://twittercism.com/twitter...
Curiously, Facebook appears to be glitching as well. I'm having to post updates twice before they 'stick'. Look out for aliens - they might be using our social networks against us.
- Shéa Bennett
funny, that's the reason I came to read Twitter on FF. lol
- enza (aka iVenus)
amm.. it interesting to see how long it took till people noticed since many twit as usual :)
- Naor Mark
twitter doesn't work from me for two hours... No new updates :(
- esghalis
Replies still work - check your mentions folder. You can also see all updates by visiting profiles directly or by using Twitter search. Or on Friendfeed. :) I've updated my article. http://twittercism.com/twitter...
- Shéa Bennett
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Technogran
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger 【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Daddy Scobleizer!!!!!!!!!! First things first....when will he be signed up for Twitter and FF?
- krystyl
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
congrats to you and Maryam! And welcome, RSS!
- Joshua Allen
from fftogo
The thing is that some spammers get even more sophisticated. They don't start spamming immediately as the account goes live, but tweet like regular users for a while. It's hard to track them down, especially when they use real pics that were taken from normative users.
- Nir Ben Yona
Yep, that's my dilemma. A brief look and it seems legitimate. It's too difficult to keep a vigil on who's who.
- Mo Kargas
Most of the Twitter Spammers I have encountered have numbers (3-4) at the end of the user name and most of the spammers use sexy-ish female photos. Not a hard and fast rule, but 95% fit this so far.
- Allen Harkleroad
i've started to block them, i must admit that topify makes life little bit easier
- Naor Mark
Allen, spammers that invite you to look at their "naughty images" are easy to track, the problem is with the sneaky ones. Couple weeks ago, I accidentally found a Twitter spam account that holds an avatar of a legit Friendfeed user, I was amazed to see that.
- Nir Ben Yona
Which FF user Nir? This may be something we need publicized....
- Carlos Ayala
Carlos, I already told him about that, a nice French guy. If you insist on the specific name I can find it for you.
- Nir Ben Yona
No, thats kool. I hope that this is not a sign of things to come (avatar-jacking).
- Carlos Ayala
Don't know how wide this avatar-jacking really is, but since then I already tracked 2 more image stealing.
- Nir Ben Yona
$29 OS X Snow Leopard to roar next Friday, are you ready for it? – Apple / Mac Software Updates, News, Apps | Geek.com - http://www.geek.com/article...
I'm just reading. I hate it. Why should I care though?
- Myrna
it should be good for the guys here, but here we say goodbye to simplicity :(
- Naor Mark
Awwww or wahhhh is better. I don't like it.
- Myrna
Naor: Don't think It would be good for us. More spammers would probably get in...
- Nir Ben Yona
Wow. It was bound to happen that someone acquire FriendFeed.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It is. I'm glad for the Friendfeed team, but future is vague.
- Nir Ben Yona
We can now say goodbye to the friendfeed awesomeness. The community will be ruined.
- embee
Embee: I'm afraid you're right. We're going to lose the awesomeness factor.
- Nir Ben Yona
I think it's likely to be a good thing, myself. Facebook needs the technology that FriendFeed has, and is moving in that direction anyhow. FriendFeed would likely have a hard time fighting the uphill battle against Twitter and Facebook.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
interesting reading which raise lots of questions - breaking it was smart and simple, and the amount of data out there today makes it even easier to smart people, yet remembering dozens of passwords is not realistic..
- Naor Mark
close??? Give me the God Damn admin rights...i need them...i need them, you don't understand... (that was meant to like the way an addict would btw...) :)
- Zee.
Mac users, you can stop holding your breath. Google announced Monday that Picasa for the Mac, a free desktop application for editing, organizing and sharing digital photos, is now available as a public beta through Google Labs.
- Matt Frog
from Bookmarklet
If somebody successfully downloads this, can you please try OurDoings and see if our Picasa button works? You can disable the button afterwards.
- Bruce Lewis
Eep. Is the gap of time between the Windows release of Picasa and the Mac release an indication as to how long we'll have to wait for Chrome?
- Victor Ganata
I've never used Picasa - until my needs grew to Aperture I loved iPhoto. What does it do better than iPhoto? Why would I want this? (honest questions, not snarky ones)
- Sparky, lurking
Ah, yeah, Nicholas I just installed the web uploader too - still no cigar :(
- Matt Frog
It seems that most iLife apps realize their potential when used in conjuction with their online services(.mac/ MobileMe). Picasa (and Google apps in general) accomplish most of the same things for free.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
for me it's mainly for multi platforms (having mac,win & linux at home). As an app (and i'm not an expert, used it on Win.) it's very easy to use, with various tagging options and it works quite well on my home network storage so it is perfect for our "home photo processing work flow->(i.e. i move the pics to the drive, wife is organizing and tag them :))
- Naor Mark
After installing, I realized that Google is investing in video a lot with this, particularly with connecting YouTube directly to the interface. Given that most consumer cameras can shoot acceptable quality videos (which will increase significantly soon), Picasa is likely to become more relevant for videos at some point.
- Engin Erdogan
amazing how so many so called tech experts kept pushing the uploader as the real deal - it finally materialized but long after most had shot themselves
- Kevin Cearns
I'd like to echo Sparky's question: Can someone articulate advantages over iPhoto? Is it just sync to cloud integration?
- Micah
Personally speaking I find that iPhoto is a 'walled garden' or in OSx speak 'a package'. If you want to store your images in different folders, with different names, manipulate your images with another app, you have to set up aliases and all sorts of other nonsense. Picasa allows you to import your images wherever you want so they can be used by whatever app you want and that includes Picasa. It has basic image manipulation which I find very intuitive to use.
- Mel Buckpitt
It also allows you access to a Flickr like photo sharing account
- Mel Buckpitt
Its nice but it does not integrate with the other apple software (media browser) and it doesnt allow the db to be stored on a different drive :( Picasa web albums is very nice though
- Jonas Wouters
Will give this a try when I get home after work, but I don't know if I will migrate away from Flickr.
- Vinko
Vinko, try http://picasa2flickr.sourceforge.net/ Picasa supports buttons that upload to other photo-sharing sites. Now I just need to test it with my site. Is it really Intel only?
- Bruce Lewis
Installed Picasa eagerly. It's giving me some issues though. Doesn't show one of my watched drives and folders on it. Worked fine for an hour, dissappeared the second time I opened it.
- The Fat Oracle
Yeah, I don't understand why they can't just build a universal binary. Are developers really relying on Intel-only bits?
- Victor Ganata
Picasa for Mac is fantastic! Although I have and still use Nikon Capture NX for my Nikon RAW files (NEF), Picasa does a wonderful job of organizing my photos and making it so much easier to search through them! It does have some pretty nifty editing tools available, too, although it won't take the place of a more full-featured photo editing program. Picasa has organized my files in such...
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- John G
i'm asking primarily because i have questions...but there's no forum really for them on the CulturedCode site. Was wondering whether it would be worth setting up a group for the app - if there are enough users out there
- Zee.
I do, have done for a while. What's up?
- Keith Bennett
although it's probably the best task management app i've come across...I'm confused about things like postponing the date on a task...that doesn't remove it from the "today" list. Why not? And I can click on "not today", that will do it but does that mean it wont appear in my today list ever?
- Zee.
ive got more questions btw, but thats one of them :P
- Zee.
The Today list doesn't have anything to do with due dates. It's just a list of things you'd like to get accomplished today. In other words, the Today list doesn't care which day it is and has no concept of overdue tasks. If you have a due date, or if you'd like to postpone something and have it automatically reappear later, you can change it to a scheduled task which will bump it back into Today on the day you choose. Otherwise, it'll camp out in the Next list.
- Akiva
Ah i see Akiva, that makes things much clearer! @Chris - thank you, i couldn't find the damn thing.
- Zee.
Yeah, The Hit List is really good too. In fact I use both. One for work, one for private stuff..
- Chris
@muhammetsevim I did actually try thehitlist (and loved it because of the outliner like features) but if there's one thing that nearly every todo list app i've every tried has been missing is reordering of "today's tasks". Things is the only app I've come across that allows for in depth organisation as well as reordering of your today list.
- Zee.
I've been looking at this. Currently using remember the milk. Wondering what the benefits would be of Things over RTM?? Anyone used both?
- Robert DeBord
Yeah, i've used RTM - and frankly my biggest gripe with it was the ordering of lots of lists. I ended up with about half a page of lists before i could reach the actual todo list. I didn't like the fact that there wasn't any manual reordering of tasks either...
- Zee.
Thanks Zee, I can definitely see where that would be a problem. So far I don't have more than a dozen lists, but even that gets a little much.
- Robert DeBord
Also, Things has such an attractive interface, it makes it a pleasure to use. Personally, I can't stand web-based software (which is why I don't use stuff like Gmail or Hiveminder). Give me a nice-looking, fully-featured desktop client that can sync with my phone over anything else any day of the week.
- Akiva
@Akiva, for sure, although i wish Things had a better syncing mechanism. Correct me if i'm wrong, but if you spend an hour organising your todo's in the morning...then leave home forgetting to sync it - you're screwed right?
- Zee.
Yeah. That's the one place where OmniFocus wins; it allows you to use WebDAV. I'm hoping that Things allows this in future versions, too. In the meanwhile, I've just trained myself to sync Things when I'm leaving the house and I know I've made changes.
- Akiva
right, yeah - think i'm going to have to learn to do the same
- Zee.
Another idea is to sync immediately after you're done messing with it.
- Akiva
what happens if you make changes on the desktop, forget to sync, make changes on your phone during the day, then come back home and sync?
- Zee.
Things is really smart about merges. I've never had a conflict that didn't work out logically.
- Akiva
things does look as the best desktop app. but.. syncing via web makes much more sense.. I will not (tested and proven :)) will be able to remember doing the sync when i leave.. i keep using RTM just because it's always there for me.. so.. i'll wait to see what they'll do
- Naor Mark
Just started using Things quite heavily. It's been pretty awesome so far.
- Arlan K.
For those of you looking for web-based sync, you should e-mail the developers and let them know. The more they hear about it, the more likely they are to include the feature.
- Akiva
Just an idea: syncing via MobileMe would be just perfect. Like Wallet from Acrylic sw does (unfortunately I cannot use it, since not available in the european app store).
- ialla
I would join a group too. I don't use the desktop app so syncing isn't a bugbear for me but I adore the iPhone app which keeps me sane and involves less time organising and more time doing!
- Nico
great app! I'm still wating for its online version. ;)
- Serkan Ünsal
i wish they synced with Remember the Milk
- Ouriel Ohayon
@Ouriel, that would be great although RTM's data model is much simpler (at least it looks so), yet with some smart mapping to lists and tags...(one of these moments i wish i was still coding and could try that :))
- Naor Mark
Used and liked it all though the beta, but moved over to RTM when the product finally launched. I think its WAY too expensive for what it is, especially considering that RTM is just as good and free.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
@shedali It's not a problem for me because I work at home, so I don't spen a lot of time away from my computer. Plus you can tweet tasks to RTM from your phone, so if you can send an SMS you always have an inbox.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
Yep, but I don't really connect with people there. I just read stuff. If I want to talk about something, I share it here.
- Jandy
Clearly my most used online app, so yes. All the other tools revolve around it in my world. My dad read the newspaper every morning, I read Google Reader all day.
- Bwana ☠
Yes, it's still the best way to track blogs that write about stuff I like.
- arjo
YEah. I used to use Feeddemon but I like having my feeds synced over multiple devices with the least amount of hassle. Google Reader works perfectly for that.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
I use it, but I don't use it in a social way.
- Lix
Of course! I also use FF a lot, but it didn't actually reduce my activity on Greader
- stanjourdan
Yes, but not directly, I skim entries via my program ( http://ff.im/38Yl8 ), if I am interested I click. So to FF/twitter/gmail/and other urgent feeds
- yjl
Yes, since 2006. I used Bloglines and Sage (Firefox add-on) before.
- LouCypher
No. I stopped using it a long time ago when I switched to FeedDemon, then I stopped using that too (keeping up with 200+ feeds was just too much). Now, I use Gmail's Web Clips with 14 feeds (including the feed for popular bookmarks on Delicious). If the item is new and the title is interesting enough, I click. Still, I keep saying to myself: "I should go back to FeedDemon someday."
- Yaser Sulaiman
I setup google reader with a few local news links, so if I share something it's sent to friendfeed and then twitter. dont use it alot, forget to. I have FF, I let other people find interesting links for me to read.
- Mike Nencetti
Most people say RSS is dead because Twitter takes over by being real time. The issue with that is that we ourselves cannot be available real time, all the time. RSS helps you cache that information to make it available when you cannot be in the stream.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Zee: gloat? With a few dozen comments? Come on, please do be real. I have 89,000 followers on Twitter, 5,000 on facebook, 38,000 on friendfeed. When you get close to those numbers let me know. Then I'll let you gloat.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble How do you mean "what I get close to those numbers?" - can you clarify
- Zee.
Robert: I don't think he wants to gloat about his numbers. It's about the fact that a lot of people still do use Google Reader or other RSS Readers; they just don't socialise with it as much as they do with Twitter or FF.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Yes, but I feel I'm wasting to much time with it. Browsing entire RSS feeds is not really targeted and Google Reader doesn't filter.
- Oliver Bouchard
I use it for my feedreading, but not socially.
- Scott Bulloch
I'm still waiting to hear what Scoble's crap about "89,000 followers on Twitter, 5000 on facebook and 38,000 on Friendfeed" was about.
- Zee.
naa, he'll respond - at least i hope so. Because I'm really hoping i'm wrong about what i think he was implying there.
- Zee.
yes I do = but I am quickly finding FriendFeed and Twitter replacing some of the feeds I used to subscribe to.
- Tony
Yes! I use Google Reader constantly, in my web browser and on my iPhone. I have RSS feeds set up for my common Twitter searches, too. I also use Yahoo Pipes that I've developed over time to have very targeted RSS feeds. But I don't socialize via Reader.
- Kurt Rosenkranz
Yes, I still use Google Reader, voraciously. It has NOTHING to do with comments/followers. Rather, GReader is a tool for being better informed. Sometimes I use my GReader learnings in the real world - in conversation - where we don't formally have followers and such.
- Mike Reynolds
R.Scoble: What do follower numbers have to say in this matter, or at all ? I thought you had a statement about quantity vs quality some time ago as well ?
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
I use NewsFire, and occasionally Resc Newws! on my PalmOS phone. I guess I haven't joined the "everything's in the cloud" revolution yet.
- Joshua Lee
<whisper> I've never used it. </whisper>
- Derrick
Thomas: follower users tell you how many people use a service and map pretty closely how many people are using a service, if you can see them in aggregate.
- Robert Scoble
Zee: it's not what 80+ people on friendfeed say. It's how many people ACTUALLY use these services. Google Reader just doesn't have the numbers. My follower numbers are a very accurate indicator of that.
- Robert Scoble
R. Scoble: people follow more people on Twitter than on Facebook because Facebook means you share a lot of information, so I'm not sure if those numbers mean much in the way of that.
- Joshua Lee
@Scoble But how do you know how many people use Google Reader?
- Zee.
I don't use google reader, and I use twitter, facebook, and a bit of friendfeed. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
But Robert, I use GReader EVERY DAY, but I'm not really socially connected with anyone on it. GReader's main function can be used without any social integration at all - so how many people follow you or vice versa isn't really relevant. Even leaving aside the issue of whether number of followers is relevant at all - it certainly isn't relevant when the core function of a service isn't connecting with other people, but consuming content.
- Jandy
Yes: it is a convenient tracking system and I like the email alerts
- Anita Hunt
Yes. It's an essential daily tool for must-read feeds, as well as for discovery. Social media does not give me the same content as my must-read feeds.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Sometimes feeds generate data for social media.... I share a lot of links via email and occasionally facebook or twitter.
- Joshua Lee
No. Currently it does not cater for my feed reader needs.
- Vidar Andersen
I used to use a similar online newsreader, bloglines I think it is called, but after a while I found having to check a website unweildy - the whole point to RSS is to not have to play with your browser to read information.
- Joshua Lee
If you want to follow blogs directly on their site, at least for Blogger, you pretty much have to do use Google Reader. I know I've had that feedback from my followers.
- Fossil Huntress
Yeah, blogger is a bit of a closed ecosystem. Very ungooglelike.
- Joshua Lee
/me uses his best Ronald Reagan impression "Mr. Brin - tear down this wall"
- Joshua Lee
every day for real work needs. for all the rest, FF, Twitter and Facebook
- Giovanni De Stefano
Yes. Daily. But I overlay it with Feedly - www.feedly.com - which makes it rather prettier.
- Stephen Collins
Clearly Scoble doesn't really want to get too involved with this discussion. Which is disappointing considering he was the motivation for the post in the first place.
- Zee.
Google will eventually add real-time and social networking stuff to Google Reader, and especially with algorithms to suggest the best posts to read, then all will use that most
- Charbax
I use it. But I don't share anything with it. I just use it to keep on top of a few news sites and forums.
- Jan Ole Peek
no, but I'm ashamed to admit it. I used to use bloglines.
- Laura Norvig
I live in Google Reader. It's my life line for discovery, digestion and distribution.
- Mike Fruchter
well clearly according to Scoble, all of you guys saying that you use it are not part of the majority...and Google Reader is actually a very quiet place
- Zee.
Went from Google Reader to NetNewsWire simply because of the syncing ability between the Mac client and the iPhone app.
- Mike Bracco
Zee: sorry, I had to drive Patrick home. There are a variety of ways to see how popular Google Reader is. Look at Quantcast. Alexa. Compete. Compare referee logs with others, etc. I have kept on top of the usage numbers and Google Reader isn't keeping up with growth in other agregator types like Facebook and friendfeed andthe people I compare numbers with see a lot more traffic from...
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- Robert Scoble
@Scoble thanks for the clearer and less agro response. I'm really going to dig in and do some research into it because although I definitely believe that Facebook & Co. are growing much faster...as a news source/tool - i still believe it's number 1 and has huge potential for further growth
- Zee.
i do and love its integration into everything
- Zach Scott
Yes, though a lot less since Friendfeed came along
- JCunwired
I stopped a few months ago...but now I'm back to using Feedly - love the magazine layout, just a cleaner better way to read (for me that is ;)
- Aline Ohannessian
extended firefox with feedly this evening -- thank you all for that recommendation, gReader looks so much better, especially where the folders can be customized with different views: magazine stylesheet enhances the readability of content. [I'm looking into the exposure of private feeds when feedly services are used. Comments? It was surprising how they got to my subscriptions without my password.]
- Adriano
[off-topic @cacarr : ditto, cf. extensions like Zotero, It's All Text (w/ vim ;-), or even Read It Later]
- Adriano
Yes I do, and I'm also pretty impressed with feedly/firefox, but I use that in addition to slogging through my greader feeds. I'm in the process of re-organizing my feeds so I can "mark all as read" without concern I'm missing something I need to see. "a1_events a2_casts b1_techblogs x9_other" etc.
- Richard Walker
& my shared items get routed to Friendfeed+Facebook & from FF to Twitter... :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
I do use Google Reader but just to read news feeds not sharing or whatever. The number of updates is getting a bit unmanageable now and I end up bulk-marking a lot as read, but it's good to skim through the headlines or less active feeds.
- By_tor
Yes, but must admit my usage of it has dropped off a cliff since I started using Twitter more (mainly because it was easier to digest content on a mobile), but think the noise ratio is greater on Twitter, so may go back to Reader when I get the next iPhone.
- Paul M Evans
If I share stuff in Feedly it ends up in FriendFeed and Twitter. Someone has to put the good stuff up there to retweet...
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Absolutely! Google Reader is still the first webpage i hit in the morning to read my "a-list" tagged feeds.
- Niklas Sjostrom
yes i do but since friendfeed came on the scene it gets less and less
- (jeff)isageek
yes but mostly through Feedly, and i do use Friendfeed to replace some stuff too.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Yes.. I would never socialize on it as well, the tool is of course, fantastic..
- Daniel Tal
Yes. I hate to admit it but Google did a great job with Reader. At first I didn't share anything but after some tweaking I got addicted to it. The gadget is great too (when it refreshes of course)
- Carlos Lorenzo
Bloglines seems to be less reliable than Google Reader, but I stick with it because it's much easier to use. Complete navigation with single key strokes. Google Reader forces me to use the mouse. Too fussy. I'd prefer a desktop client, but haven't found one that is as good as Bloglines (on Linux).
- ˈpɛbə
Yes. I have hundreds of RSS feeds that I read via Reader. I haven't found a better Web-based replacement. I do not use Reader for it's social networking aspects though.
- Glenn J. Ward
It's the only RSS reader I use. I've tried several RSS apps on my phone and a couple on my computer and none are anywhere near as good as the web based Google Reader, either on my phone or on the computer. So I just stick with it.
- Nathan Mylott
Zee - thanks for the link - I followed it and found 'helveitreader' which is nicer still. However, I have issues with the interaction as well as the style. (http://ff.im/3d9Np [http://ff.im/3d9Np] is real)
- Robin Barooah
from IM
Yes. only way to keep track of 250blogs, and its the only remotely Social media style site that isn't blocked by my work IT department. I share stuff not in Greader but on here more so.
- Yant
I use reader, but keep looking for ways to cut myself off from it. I hate feeling that I have to read everything.
- Daniel Zarick
yes. (btw @robin: it's fixed i think. can you please try again?)
- Yusuf Nays
Yes, but not actively. I use it to aggregate my favorite newsfeeds into one giant RSS feed, which I feed into Wizz RSS reader (Firefox plugin). Wizz automatically checks for updates at specified intervals, so I stay on top of the latest news from all services. I also use it to search mp3/filesharing RSS feeds that I subscribe to, and to bookmark useful posts.
- LANjackal
Used to use it all the time, but I still check on my feeds from time to time through it.
- i80and
Yes, its my central information repository.Where i aggregate all interesting RSS ( from almost 150 different sources) so i never miss a beat. There are certain desktop apps which are better then Google Reader but whats great about it is its online repository which works for every device i use to access it. Though i clearly think there is a hell lot of improvement needed. In its current avatar it can be pretty unmanagable specially if you read a lot and you can't be online 24*7.
- Abhishek Sharma