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INTERACTIVE GRAPHIC: U2 360 tour: Stadium in the round - http://www.latimes.com/enterta...
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AMAZING !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
very cool!
- imabonehead
Checkout the 3D hologram in the link...even more amazing.
- Nir Ben Yona
since we all know FriendFeed is a parasite of Twitter, it would appear that if MG is right that Twitter is a ghost town. The innovation halting, however, is a ticking time bomb for Facebook.
nivcalderon, Alexander Kitingan, urara and 25 other people liked this
FriendFeed would be fine without Twitter in my opinion... I block most tweets anyway. Why do you have the impression that it is a parasite of Twitter? I am not happy about the lack of support and innovation here now though. But I'm gonna ride this boat till it grounds because it's still the best ship to be on, IMO.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Yeah. /deep voice
- Josh Haley
MG is missing the conversations in FF, which were not a parasite of Twitter. In fact, the FF faithful deliberately avoid commenting on Twitter-originated content, which I think is a significant driver of FF's slow downward spiral.
- Christian Anderson
Part of the fun is knowing that the Twitter-only readers don't read my responses, don't get the value of a threaded conversation and are yet again just blowing their bugle into their own beadspread.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
The twitter V Friendfeed rivalry is fascinating to watch from the outside but I'll say that my engagement is far higher on twitter and the boycott of tweets does the FF no favors. Could just as easily be symbiotic but whatever ;)
- WarLord
To be clear, are these /conversations/ -truly- threaded or are we reduced to lumping another row on the bonfire of banality?
- Jay Cuthrell
Well, point taken but having to go look for replies on another page or a column of a client seems counterproductive. As it stands it doesn't matter with me as I often will post and never have any response. I guess I'm not interesting or inflammatory enough.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
I like sharing with FF as a mechanism to push back into Twitter. I periodically stop importing Twitter into FF. I've tried FF as a dumping ground and didn't like it longer term. Facebook seems more about presenting applications with annoying graphics in front of me. Reminds me why I stopped watching TV. Facebook will likely be next.
- Jay Cuthrell
the point is, ff is no deader than twitter. neither is. where's stream splicing?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve it hurts my feelings that not only don't you tweet on twitter, but you have given up on mp3 files too! And the irony is that the TriCaster is a vestige of the Amiga...
- Michael Pinto
Many people hide Twitter in FriendFeed, and watch Twitter somewhere else.
- Louis Gray
Interesting...Scoble pretty much (unless I just misunderstood) said the reverse.He thinks FF is the ghost town and Twitter is the place to be. I didn't realize either had problems. Both seem just as active to me, but I'm just a user too.
- George Gray
posting Dare's FB comment here: Dare Obasanjo That's a bogus statement and you know it. Friendfeed was a Twitter app that lots of people used. People have moved on to other apps since the FB purchase (Brizzly?). This isn't a reflection on Twitter just a sign that people no longer treat Friendfeed as a primary destination for conversations around microcontent
- Steve Gillmor
Interesting that Dare's comment is on Facebook, not Brizzly? Once FB solves the orphan comment problem, many will move there. For now, I see little difference in FF since the acquisition except for frozen development, as MG points out. Brizzly or Seesmic or Threadsy do not provide a replacement for FF, at least for me, at least not yet. What has changed is the time FB has to bridge the...
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- Steve Gillmor
Michael I tweet on twitter thru here, just like others use Tweetie, etc. I haven't given up on mp3 but rather moved to mp4. YouTube is currently not providing an RSS feed for my stream, and the approval process for downloads seems stuck for the last few episodes. I used my Amiga and Toaster until they stopped supporting them, and the Tricaster goes well beyond the Toaster.
- Steve Gillmor
i had to remove twitter from friendfeed to prevent doubleposting on facebook. (as if there were no problems in our world)
- kosmar
kosmar don't understand your problem. I post here, it goes to Twitter, which pipes it to Facebook. However, Facebook comments to my posts are orphaned on Facebook.
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, I can't believe how many comments missed the semantics of the post - that the pointy end of the stick was jabbing at Twitter. It may be a style thing I'm already used to, I don't know. :)
- Micah Wittman
steve, well i want all ff lifestream aggregation be on facebook - but the ff app on facebook only posts "posts" on the wall, which look ugly and therefore are less conversational it seems. i would prefer to have my fb-status changed by the items the ff app pushes (like twitter app does) - best twitter to facebook seems tweetpo.st (but is handicapped by twitter follower ratio issues at...
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- kosmar
… orphaned comments are one big problem. if all would be wave (or maybe pshb), that could be fixed, i guess. - but then, if someone talks about you on the phone, that will forever be orphaned anyway (i do hope so)
- kosmar
it just seems to me having recently tried ff in more frequency that with facebook and twitter it is far easier to request contact and it feels more direct - unless i am missing a way to have this dynamic in ff
- Alexander Kitingan
Network effects suggest its wise to work with many networks, not against them. Tis a bit arbitrary and capricious for a user to 'prefer' one nascent platform over another.
- Just some guy
The Second Life of FriendFeed? - http://scobleizer.posterous.com/the-sec...
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- Robert Scoble
from Posterous
Nice post, btw. I think the only reason why I use FF now is when Twitter may be down (which, seems, doesn't happen very often...but appears to be down now for me). For now, I'll glance at FF but rarely use it as a primary way to track threads of conversation.
- Chris Judson
I'm using Friendfeed more now than I ever have. I think in part because of the community problems at Flick due to the censorship. I've largely abandoned Flickr for community and we've (at least temporarily) moved a group of people over here to Friendfeed in DMU. Friendfeed has been censorship free and largely unmoderated in contrast to other communities on the web. Rather than tell you...
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- Thomas Hawk
Robert: I confess, I too have found myself moving away from FF and spending more time on Twitter. I agree with some of your points but for not so geeky reasons. If you're building brand you want to be where the people are, well if you're doing anything really. In order to have success we have to be where everyone is, unless the place you are is so cool and has such a huge upside you...
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- Owen Greaves
Friendfeed is a social aggregation service for me more than anything else. I use it solely for posting other message to Twitter. The problem is that while it is great for that, its main focus is being the client you use to interact with social media, not just a background wiring. Until they start progressing with things like search capabilities, I don't believe it will really turn into the 'client' you use to work with social media.
- Tyler (Chacha)
I agree with Tyler. Friendfeed has some unbeatable (at the moment) social aggregation features. I also find some of the conversations tend to be more in depth and less fleeting than Twitter. However, there is a lot of competition out there that continues to drive innovation and Facebook will need to continue to invest in Friendfeed or it will lose its share of the social market.
- Chris Rogers
from BuddyFeed
I have no expectation that Facebook will make any further investment in FriendFeed. Bret and Paul should come clean about this. Not doing so is just being evil and a sign that they have sold out the FriendFeed community. They have probably drank too much of the Facebook Kool-Aid though to venture back from the dark side.
- scott anderson
Excellent read, timely as that other commenter said, especially since my last 12 logins (~2 months) included something about its changing appearance to the users. A vision I wasn't sharing but is beginning to be understood well. A educational documentary on the situation would be perfectly suited as its themes and definitions are all in the 'net entity's peripheral processing and...
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- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Doh! 911 characters hehe, that 'comment', I suppose, would've not happened if FF wasn't. Not with FB, nor Twitter. Nothing presents us with this like this. That's all. Maybe a small-timer commercially, but for the current user it's not the point.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
happy
- michael sean wright
friendfeed's embedable realtime feed rooms are amazing - they're so easy to drop into blog pages and add content to instantly via a bookmarklet. the friendfeed tech is just so powerful and simple that i'd hate to lose it, especially since i don't think anyone is near it in functionality. maybe facebook embedded content will get more powerful, but until then... i really hope it sticks around
- Kevin
Kevin: FriendFeed isn't going anywhere. I don't know why people think I'm saying that the technology will disappear. I doubt it will for years and only after Facebook matches its feature set and provides an upgrade path. But what I am saying is we won't see many more features here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: FriendFeed has for all intensive reasons all but disappeared really, 30% drop in usage, virtually no communication from the new owner what they may or may not do with the technology, or when they will integrate the real-time / search I should say.
- Owen Greaves
I started to comment and ended up writing a Blog post.. Friendfeed please don't go away http://new2me.posterous.com/friendf... (http://ff.im/a57K2)
- Chris Myles
Robert, it's occurred to me on a number of occasions to put together a timeline showing when you were pushing Twitter at the expense of FriendFeed, and when you were pushing FriendFeed at the expense of Twitter, and how often it has flip-flopped completely. But it's not worth the effort to wade through 18 months of noise. You generate interesting conversations sometimes, but I've...
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- LogEx
Twitter Lists; Limitations, bugs, impact, and brilliance http://scobleizer.posterous.com/twitter...
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- Micah Wittman
from Bookmarklet
Oh, we finally found a GREAT use for Google Wave! Holy shitake! RT: @Orli: Awesome video!! http://www.youtube.com/watch... #googlewave
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and I thought I had to much time on my hands........
- Cjay
Hehe!
- Kol Tregaskes
pure genius!
- Loc
Is this wave pulp fiction mockup real? Now that I have a wave account, can I see it in Wave?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Historic Event in the Union of the Computer Nerds - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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i'm going to get in shit for this one aren't i...i can feel it. :P
- Zee.
Can i double like this??
- Bhowmik Shah
A moment of glee and a moment of joy forever.
- TrafficBug
go on, double like it Bhowmik!
- Zee.
Making lists out of thousands of Twitter followers by picking them up one-by-one from the followers tab looks like a CRAZY mission.
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My new wallpaper - In A Whisper - http://druology.deviantart.com/art...
Nia, winckel, Iván Abrego and 20 other people liked this
It looks like an expressionist picture standing on my table.
- Nir Ben Yona
Wow it is now my wallpaper, too :)
- Alp
It looks like only a mess with many icons :)
- Alp
Alp: my desktop is clean. That's why it looks so vivid and blustery on my 24-inch display.
- Nir Ben Yona
Sending it up for the Desktop Meme.
- Nir Ben Yona
and now there is also a Chrome extension for Wave: http://www.jeremyselier.com/fr... #googlewave
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Best Typo Ever? - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I hear that @Pistachio, @Loic will be on today's Gillmor Gang at 1pm.
- Cliff Gerrish
Should be a great show! Laura @Pistachio is a great lady - and who doesn't like Loic?
- Jim Connolly
looking forward to it
- Kevin Marks
Hi Laura!!!
- Francine Hardaway
No one there.
- Paul W. Swansen
who's doing darth vader breathing?
- Kevin Marks
Finally running a bit late.
- Paul W. Swansen
Not me.
- Robert Scoble
a bit loud all of a sudden
- Rocky Barbanica
John Borthwick of BetaWorks live on the GillmorGang.
- Cliff Gerrish
how many of you are joining us at the ReadWrite Real-Time Web Summit next Thurs? John Borthwick is! http://readwriteweb.com/summit hi John! :)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
a spot on her camera is distracting
- Rocky Barbanica
Marshall: I will.
- Robert Scoble
I am joining you there
- Brian Hendrickson
Rocky: that's a mouse pointer.
- Robert Scoble
I'm joining the http://readwriteweb.com/summit @marshallk - looking forward to it
- Kevin Marks
if Twitter=AOL we should see a "web" twitter soon.
- Robert Scoble
the spot is there even on loic's cam
- Nishant
Yeah, it's not on her camera... it's on everybody's
- Ken Sheppardson
We've got a cursor problem that we know about. We'll just hav to live with it for this show.
- Cliff Gerrish
no - now it's on Loic- must be tricaster
- Rocky Barbanica
nice mouse pointer in the middle of the screen.... whoo!
- Jay
oh good! didn't know you were coming Robert, glad to hear it!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall: I'm not sure if I reserved my Twitter ticket yet. :-)
- Robert Scoble
ahh thanks cliff
- Rocky Barbanica
that comes from the mouse/keyboard sharing utility probably - if they are running multiple skype computers
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
seriously.... someone pick that booger!
- Jay
What, you mean Kevin's birthmark?
- Ken Sheppardson
and fix the wide faces LOL
- dstamand
Bear, bingo
- Cliff Gerrish
Isn't everyone born with a mouse cursor on their face?
- Robert Scoble
Evan Prodromou on Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference today 07 Oct 2009 http://www.w3.org/2009...
- Brian Hendrickson
=D
- Jay
Would have been interesting to watch this discussion on wave. SO much chaos! yikes! FF is better! :-)
- Nishant
There's always something going on with the technology on GG
- Francine Hardaway
FF is different, not better.
- Ken Sheppardson
Someone is typing on a keyboard, knock that off.
- Robert Scoble
Yes. different and better for such discussions
- Nishant
Suggestion: Mute when not talking.
- Arnie Klaus
And we heard someone drinking coffee or something as well
- Pierre TAMISIER
Love these British accents and guys who sound like they're talking in tunnels
- Francine Hardaway
Just what I need. An explosion of data coming into the stream
- Francine Hardaway
Sorry, Robert. I'm typing. Then again, I'm not on the call... didn't realize it was disruptive ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I want tweetdeck or seesmic to be a full "real-time" web browser : with all real-time information in there : Twitter, Facebook... etc, but also Gmail, my RSS feeds,... etc
- Julien
Ken, that doesn't mean we can't hear you.
- Cliff Gerrish
Francine: I haven't seen any of that stuff on my stream yet. Probably has a big impact on search.
- Robert Scoble
Julien => it sounds like google wave what you want
- Pierre TAMISIER
Cliff: So you can hear the Blue Angels overhead too then?
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh yeah.
- Cliff Gerrish
Other people are reporting Blue Angels too.
- Robert Scoble
I just saw them off the Pacifica coast
- Rocky Barbanica
#blueangels should be trending topic on Twitter any minute. It's their first practice for Fleet Week today.
- Ken Sheppardson
Julien I second that. Pierre really? Don't know yet. Need Wave to discover this. Anticipation greater.
- amarquart
I like the split screen can you quad screen?
- Rocky Barbanica
Rocky, not yet. It's a feature request for the Tricaster. But the double box is pretty cool.
- Cliff Gerrish
split screen eliminates visible cursor issue
- Rocky Barbanica
... waiting for the Moment of Win
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: we are too! :-)
- Robert Scoble
The main issues for me about Seesmic and Tweetdeck are the memory size they require!
- Pierre TAMISIER
Daniel: it usually comes after the show.
- Robert Scoble
I was wrong.
- Rocky Barbanica
lol @Daniel
- Micah Wittman
Just *reply*, Robert. We'll follow-up and go back to look at the conversation if your reply is interesting.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert is hitting on an idea that I have wanted for awhile. I don't want to restream all the tweets of the day, just a few choice.
- amarquart
Flag a conversation as interesting by participating.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Amarquart - are you thinking something like Friendfeed's Best of Day for lists?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
is there an audio archive for these new gillmor gangs?
- Jamie
"Re:"
- Ken Sheppardson
all I want to do is hear the show on my commute. this live shit is annoying.
- Jamie
@daniel rather move to my posterous. not in friendfeed
- amarquart
Jamie: get an iPHone.
- Robert Scoble
I have an iPhone
- Jamie
Jamie: Look for Bootleg Gillmor Gang on iTunes
- Ken Morley
I want an RSS feed
- Jamie
FriendFeed was very close to what I want, but didn't give me enough choice on controlling/separating my words out from yours.
- Robert Scoble
latest bootleg gillmor gang is 9.17
- Jamie
/me casts Level 9 Lazyweb of the infinite
- Daniel J. Pritchett
You can listen to Ustream live on iPhone with the Ustream app.
- Robert Scoble
Still hate hashtags, although I use them
- Francine Hardaway
Keep looking, I have 10.01 via iTunes.
- Ken Morley
I know but the live format isnt always convenient from a timing perspective. some of us work! lol
- Jamie
Francine: I use them less and less, usually only for conferences. And even then I hate them.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, and people now spam by putting hashtags on irrelevant tweets
- Francine Hardaway
I need a visual map on how these things work or I can't adapt easily.
- Arnie Klaus
Bored dog just countersurfed in my kitchen, took the top off the crockpot and tried to take out the chicken! Thank goodness a fail!
- Francine Hardaway
thanks Ken I will try again
- Jamie
Can someone please move the pointer out of the middle of the screen?
- Matthew Schrock
I like Brizzly's take on a wikified hashtag index right inside the client. It's got flaws but it's a good start. Would love to see an "official" hashtag wiki. Then again, Twitter doesn't feel like a wiki-friendly company. More on Brizzly at http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Laura's not odd -- just far more like everyone else
- Ian McGee
Matthew, we just have to live with it for this show.
- Cliff Gerrish
Just keep a 2-shot, Cliff :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
friendfeed's text is too grey. I had to to make http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com to read it
- Kevin Marks
good show so far!
- Rocky Barbanica
I only go to Friendfeed because my friends are there:-) Easier to see them there. BTW, I'm not seeing a cursor
- Francine Hardaway
Thanks Cliff.
- Matthew Schrock
Robert, I'm curious, are you aware of Cliqset? Some of the issues you've brought up are problems we're very interested and about to help solve.
- Darren
Yeah, I'm barely aware of Cliqset, I will be interested in trying that out. Probably this weekend.
- Robert Scoble
cursor moved
- Rocky Barbanica
Wanna call me and walk me through it? +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Robert - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... if you're interested
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
ah, I see Daren is here too
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
MySpace? Never heard of them! LOL!!!
- Rocky Barbanica
ah - cliqset requires a beta code - anyway to get one?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Hey Dan!
- Rocky Barbanica
looks like we need a standard for these activities in a stream... oh wait there's one! What we need is an easy wait to be a "source" with existing clients (ie. making seesmic/tweedeck activity stream clients for many services, not just twitter/facebook)
- Sylvain Carle
Creating a simple and effective way for a social media publishing workflow (avoiding duplication) is very difficult at the moment.
- Mark Krynsky
crowd-sourced design; fun
- Ian McGee
The IM streams came together in the client. Pidgin, Adium, Trillian, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
Chamillionaire interview on building43 tomorrow hosted by Michael Sean Wright
- Rocky Barbanica
Michael Sean Wright is sitting next to me.
- Robert Scoble
Ridin' Dirty Chamillionaire?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yea, the came in the client... but never further than that : Mosaic would have never been the web browser if it couldn't browse any website : http://blog.superfeedr.com/Real-ti...
- Julien
"Privacy" means "multi groups" while "public" means "one group", no ?
- Baptiste Cadiou
Just signing into Cliqset to see if it solves anything
- Francine Hardaway
Public means multiple scale free microcommunities.
- Cliff Gerrish
Public = you determine whether or not you're a member, Private = I do.
- Ken Sheppardson
Same Chamillionaire, Daniel
- Rocky Barbanica
I have to run.
- Robert Scoble
Steve: I have to run, I have a Mashable chat I have to do.
- Robert Scoble
OK, bye Robert.
- Cliff Gerrish
Still haven't gotten a wave invite. 2 people said they sent them
- Francine Hardaway
Realtime audience mining (to Mashable)
- Arnie Klaus
If blinders = control, we're in trouble
- Ken Sheppardson
As long as you let "everyone" view what you're saying, you can't really block any particular person from seeing it.
- Ken Sheppardson
nice reference to dynamic memory :)
- Hilary Talbot
Francine, Google is metering the invites that are in the queue. It may take a while.
- Matthew Schrock
Google Reader has made steps with regards to curation by friends. Louis Gray is my shared items guru :)
- Mark Krynsky
to calculate what's trending around your friends, you need a lot of friends ^^
- Baptiste Cadiou
Not if you also expand the network to friends of your friends Baptiste
- Mark Krynsky
also http://oneforty.com/item... shows stories your friends read
- Kevin Marks
Agree with Mark K - GR does a good job, feedly is a fine app which also provides suggestions.
- Dave Martin
I wrote about Twitter Times yesterday which Kevin just mentioned http://lifestreamblog.com/custom-... It's a great way to filter Twitter links by the people you follow on Twitter.
- Mark Krynsky
Well, it shouldn't have to be just your friends... I'd like to see some sort of wizard that let you build up groups, e.g. "Create a group of all the peole my friends follow, and show me trending topics among those people"
- Ken Sheppardson
Micromessage derivatives.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ken, if Twitter rolls out lists soon and allows that data to be passed to the API Twitter Times could leverage that automatically.
- Mark Krynsky
I want to see the principal that Twitter Times has released to be created on a wider scale. Imagine that logic expanded across multiple social media services and the people you follow on each of them. Then mash the data across all of them. It become far more interesting and useful at that point.
- Mark Krynsky
Kevin, TwitterTimes looks like something actually useful.
- Francine Hardaway
Anyone on Cliqset? Couldn't find anyone I know
- Francine Hardaway
Mashability toward Monetization
- Arnie Klaus
I'm on there Francine but honestly haven't used it much
- Mark Krynsky
filtered feeds toward frictionless transactions
- Arnie Klaus
What is the value of a user of any app?
- Arnie Klaus
appreciate Laura being on GG. enjoying her imput.
- Hilary Talbot
this sounds like good advice
- Brian Hendrickson
Its great that this show is not tightly limited in time. It allows the conversations to flourish.
- Arnie Klaus
Love you Laura!
- Francine Hardaway
Bravos, Steve. Good show. P.S. Great to hear that @Pistachio is officially a member of TGG.
- Dave Martin
Great show!!
- Arnie Klaus
great show
- Jamie
yes @hil121 great to have @pistachio here too - very insightful
- Kevin Marks
Thanks to all the participants of today's Gillmor Gang. Y'all rock!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks to the audience too - realtime and otherwise.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I hear Phil Windley and Craig Burton are going to be on today's Gillmor Gang.
- Cliff Gerrish
Sounds like a great show!
- Rob La Gesse
Hi Steve
- Keith Teare
i've been missing the live action but the transcript from the last show was a fun read
- Brian Hendrickson
"[Google] Wave is saying, okay, our structure model is (unintelligible) " lol @kevinmarks http://bh.ly/0w
- Brian Hendrickson
@Scobleizer - got a Wave invite for me?
- Keith Teare
i want a wave invite...she whined.
- Karoli
Does whinining work?
- Cliff Gerrish
guess we're going to find out. LOL
- Karoli
So the discussion is SideWiki, not Wave -- Google still the topic.
- Cliff Gerrish
SideWiki is a blogging tool.
- Kevin Marks
wonder when SideWiki will come to my chrome. want it.
- Christopher Harris
I was just about to say that. SideWiki. . .
- Ron Hudson
Although, it's not really a wiki.
- Cliff Gerrish
dont believe the hype ;)
- sull
Seems like SideWiki, Echo and Disqus all do something similar.
- Cliff Gerrish
The web will become like Wings of Desire - We will all be able to listen to everyone's mind.
- Arnie Klaus
Just wrote a Sidewiki entry on "Category Archives: Real-time" http://bit.ly/12HDF
- Ron Hudson
We are thinking about you!
- Arnie Klaus
Amorphous
- Arnie Klaus
you guys should call up Leo Laporte and bring him into this conversation
- Brian Hendrickson
I don't even understand the concept of chat gathered around the Gillmor Gang any more. Do they mean the comments on this post?
- Matt Terenzio
Tina says KEVIN NEEDS TO SLOW DOWN!
- Cliff Gerrish
invisible backchannels
- Kevin Marks
Okay.
- Matt Terenzio
sorry wasn't making fun of you kevin!
- Brian Hendrickson
The difference between Sidewiki and Echo and Disqus is that Disqus and Echo give control over what get displayed to blog owner.
- Robert Scoble
I wrote a side wiki for the /realtime page. There is no way to edit it?
- Ron Hudson
But Sidewiki isn't something you add to your blog, it's just a portal that a small subset of users use to look at it
- Brian Hendrickson
I'd like to see SideWiki allow WebHooks, so when you submit a post it can also update another service ... Kind of like Posterous
- Ideas At Random
Control is an illusion.
- Cliff Gerrish
Echo and Disqus can bring the sidewiki feed back into it
- Kevin Marks
I's not controlling conversation I object to just reaching across a network and changing the way my content is displayed. I have no objections to a client side mashup or even a peer to peer
- Matt Terenzio
You do have control over what you write. You don't have control over what OTHER PEOPLE write.
- Ken Sheppardson
SideWiki is MOST dangerous because it isn't RSS-enabled, and there's no way to properly monitor it.
- Ike Pigott
SideWiki has a feed for every page and for every user, wrong Ike
- Kevin Marks
Y'all realize Diigo has been doing this same thing for a couple years now, right? Folks just haven't objected because they don't know about it. There will *always* be side converasations you don't know about that you can't control.
- Ken Sheppardson
framing is wrong. I format my content to browser size (just devil's advocate, I don't do that)
- Matt Terenzio
Kevin, I have yet to see the feed.
- Ike Pigott
It's not "framing", it's a browser add-in. Only those who've chosen to install the "app" see it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble seems to advocate ignorance as a blissful state.
- Cliff Gerrish
Nice nodes, Robert
- Ross Mayfield
what do you want a feed for, Ike? Which page?
- Kevin Marks
Gillmor suggests by his actions just now that there needs to be a judge(ment). Where is the referee.
- Arnie Klaus
You could build a similar service that displays the comments from FriendFeed related to a specific page in the sidebar. IT's the same API http://ffcheck.com uses. Would you object to that, Robert?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd be interesting if SideWiki was a wiki
- Ross Mayfield
why would that make you interesting?
- Brian Hendrickson
as long as they don't change the display of my content, I think it's fine.
- Matt Terenzio
SideWiki is really more of a palimpsest.
- Cliff Gerrish
What is the difference between sidewiki and just twittering with a #scobleizer tag?
- Ron Hudson
I am choosing to go to site A and I am choosing to install sidewiki. Why should site A control what I see there?
- Ryan
You still have control over that frame, Robert. You don't (i.e. shouldn't) have control over my sidebar.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm stuck on bandaid.
- Jay Cuthrell
cuz bandaid's stuck on me
- Jay Cuthrell
Yeah, Ken you are right
- Matt Terenzio
Robert - remember when I closed my FriendFeed account and you argued that I deleted YOUR comments stream?
- Rob La Gesse
Nobody's modifying what you're trying to display. There's a supplemental app that's displaying additional information about your page, Robert. And you have nothing to say about it, nor should you.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert's totally right. Rock on
- Stephen Pickering
Ken, bullshit
- Stephen Pickering
You'll have to make a logical argument, Stephen. Epithets don't work.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's his page
- Stephen Pickering
That was MY post that the comments were attached to. I deleted that linkage - which affected you, and you were pissed :)
- Rob La Gesse
It's my browser and desktop.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's defacing his page
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin, I just tried plugging URLs into that API, and it doesn't pull.
- Ike Pigott
He delivered his page to my browser the way he wanted, once on my browser I can do anything to it
- Ryan
you need to escape the :// stuff
- Kevin Marks
Google Toolbar = evil :)
- Rob La Gesse
Aren't all audiences shared, and the audience owns itself?
- Ross Mayfield
You already do anything you want with pages in your browser.
- Cliff Gerrish
But ken if a plugin said, here Google take this page I want and add all the extra metadata to it and return it to me. That is wrong. It's different than a local client gathering content and displaying the way the enduser wants. technicality, but that is law. and I'm no lawyer
- Matt Terenzio
sidewiki isn't part of anybody's blog. it is an abstraction layer that becomes visible when a sidewiki user visits the blog
- Keith Teare
Do I have the "right" to install ad-blocking plugins? Do I have the "right' to install Greasemonkey or Stylish to change fonts and background colors?
- Ken Sheppardson
I did escape it: http://www.google.com/sidewik...
- Ike Pigott
Robert is trying to say sidewiki is like yelp gluing reviews to restaurant doors.
- Ron Hudson
Sidewiki is defacement
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, why do all these geeks even have Google toolbar, anyway?
- Matt Terenzio
Who needs Sidewiki?
- Jonathan Brown
no, you need the full URL with trailing slashes and everything
- Kevin Marks
Spamwiki?
- Arnie Klaus
No one
- Stephen Pickering
actually, Robert's password IS his phone number :)
- Robert J Taylor
But *I* as the reader, am the one making the choice to "deface" the page. It's not as if every visitor is being forced to read those comments. It's MY CHOICE to see them.
- Ken Sheppardson
I did that too, Kevin. It didn't resolve, didn't pull in the very comment I left.
- Ike Pigott
100% correct Ken
- Ryan
SideWike is Google stepping in the same pile of dogshit that others have stepped in before.
- Rob La Gesse
Imagine if Yelp went around gluing reviews to restaurant windows! Absurd!
- Ron Hudson
There's money in blogs?
- Jay Cuthrell
How about Instapaper, which bookmarks your page and reformats it for mobile browsing. Is that "allowed"?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken that would be fine if you were the only one who could read your defacement or see it
- Stephen Pickering
I feel VERY sorry for the first company to get hammered in SideWiki during crisis communications.
- Ike Pigott
Your defacing it and the public can see it
- Stephen Pickering
Robert we are with you.
- Ron Hudson
btw, I'm using Sidewiki on this FriendFeed page
- Ross Mayfield
Ike, they will be hammered somewhere else anyway
- Kevin Marks
No you are not Stephen, if someone doesn't have sidewiki installed they can't see it
- Ryan
No, it's not the "public", it's all those users who've made the choice to view a conversation in a sidebar related to your page.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not defacing the site - but MOVING the conversation - which affects branding, value, etc
- Rob La Gesse
so its not defacement for all
- Ryan
But if they do have sidewiki they do
- Stephen Pickering
So you don't ever talk about blog posts or web pages on FriendFeed then, right, Stephen?
- Ken Sheppardson
then they choose to see that content, it wasn't forced on them
- Ryan
OK, at the count of three, everyone uninstall Google Toolbar. Then they will just build it into Firefox. And BECOME MS
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin, you're right -- but THOSE posts and comments will be more easily sortable, findable, and addressable. SideWiki is way too chaotic. And since all the SideWiki comments live on GOOGLE domain, they will show up in search eventually!
- Ike Pigott
Ken, hell yes, I do, but that's on FriendFeed and not on somebody's site
- Stephen Pickering
"we had no choice" is the critical aspect that isn't being addressed by wider audiences
- Jay Cuthrell
If I told you that I was using the FriendFeed API to retrieve and display all conversations related to the page I'm visiting in my sidebar, would you object to that, Stephen? See http://ffcheck.com
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Ken, but just because you ask me, I can't legally send a copy of something to you. Not saying they do this here, but I bet they want to soon if they mix it with search data and deliver ads, for example
- Matt Terenzio
They don't all live on Google's domain - that was my point about http://oneforty.com where SideWiki shows the TechCrunch RWW et al posts
- Kevin Marks
people who publish web pages need to host a more friendfeed-like discussion experience if they want to counter the sidewiki effect
- Brian Hendrickson
Steve - that IS an economically feasible plan
- Rob La Gesse
I just made a comment on this chat using side wiki http://bit.ly/V8TWq but I don't see anyone else's
- Ron Hudson
Ron - what I said
- Brian Hendrickson
Quoting @GinaTrapani: "Prediction: Google Sidewiki will go the way of Google Knol (ie, you'll never hear about it again)"
- Mike Doeff
SideWiki is poised to become Yahoo message boards or YouTube comments
- Robert J Taylor
SideWiki is so Cuil.
- Ike Pigott
Good. There will be a hell of a push back if it does take off
- Stephen Pickering
This whole industry that attempts to monetize content by framing it in a particular context, i.e. wrapped by ads, is sorta doomed, IMHO. In the long run.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brian I don't see your posts. just mine
- Ron Hudson
Yeah, so what's next, Ken, Google will put its own ads on my site?
- Stephen Pickering
No. I'm saying ads are dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
I posted a direct link to a Sidewiki comment I added here.
- Ike Pigott
please move on.
- sull
Ike - when I clicked the link then I saw your link, but not mine or anyone else's
- Ron Hudson
everything is a "backchannel"
- sull
Ron, I refreshed the page, and no one else's SideWiki entries are displayed.
- Ike Pigott
Don't backchannel me bro!
- Robert Scoble
Which URL did you use, Ike? I think there are number of different URLs/views.
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble uses the backchannel to request we not backchannel him.
- Cliff Gerrish
Life is a backchannel.
- Ken Sheppardson
I have no idea what that means.
- Ken Sheppardson
"Don't backchannel me bro!" tshirts would sell well I bet.
- Jay Cuthrell
"Don't backchannel me bro! - Robert Scoble" - heh
- Rob La Gesse
pretty soon we won't know what is true and who said it! we are doomed!
- Matt Terenzio
What about DotSpots? Introduced at least year's TC 50 and finally launched a few weeks ago... http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mike Doeff
I have to take several ibuprofen every day for my backchannel problem.
- Jerry Schuman
Ken, find me the feed for this link: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...
- Ike Pigott
SideWiki turns blogs into Fox News
- Rob La Gesse
Mike -- DotSpots is the same issue as well. Very good catch.
- Jay Cuthrell
So, what does SideWiki with Wikipedia mean?
- Robert J Taylor
Sidewiki is the new standard for comments on all websites. Just install a Wordpress plugin for bringing Sidewiki entries into your blog comments.
- Charbax
I see yours now Ike, I commented on a different url. SideWiki #fail
- Ron Hudson
No Rob... SideWiki turns blogs into subway cars, in a town that sells permanent infrared spraypaint.
- Ike Pigott
All systems need calibration or the noise takes over.
- Arnie Klaus
ooooookay
- Jay Cuthrell
we know that, but is it legal?
- Matt Terenzio
Ike - nice
- Rob La Gesse
"You're so 10 mins ago" <- this is Real Time, after all :)
- Robert J Taylor
knew VRM would make it in here!
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki will never take off and even if it does, there will be so much push back just like the digg framer that they will discontinue it
- Stephen Pickering
Jay, yeah DotSpots raises the same issues but nobody is talking about them because they're relatively unknown (unlike Google)
- Mike Doeff
I hope Google puts SideWiki in Firefox. That will be the start of the anti-trust investigation
- Rob La Gesse
Sidewiki or something like it will absolutely take off, you just won't know about it.
- Ken Sheppardson
I see the other comments now
- Ron Hudson
Can't we sell in the sidewiki?
- Arnie Klaus
My browser is not your place of business, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
plugin functionality is quickly being surpassed by things like Comet/AJAX, so what's next.. who can write AJAX?
- Jerry Schuman
but my site is my place of business (so to speak)
- Robert J Taylor
Your browser isn't but when you can use it to deface his website, it is his place of business
- Stephen Pickering
Jeez... we're going in circles yet again..
- Ken Sheppardson
Google isn't as well known as we'd like to think. Sidewiki should be enabled on every news article ever created. Every news article should have a Wikipedia stub. If Google assists, fine... but I'd rather see the overlay be outside control of any one company.
- Jay Cuthrell
Friendfeed can easily bring sidewiki entries inside friendfeeds feeds
- Charbax
I wish that death spiral would accelerate.
- Jerry Schuman
I'm drawing a moustache on Robert Scoble right now.
- Cliff Gerrish
This is about as useful as wave. I'm out.
- Ron Hudson
There will be so much push back on this you won't believe it. This will be taken to court and Google ruled against
- Stephen Pickering
Charbax: And FriendFeed in a sidebar can essentialy replace Sidewiki
- Ken Sheppardson
What nonsense that guy just said
- Stephen Pickering
I just pushed SideWiki into my Friendfeed, and my Friendfeed spools into my SideWiki profile, and it hasn't caused me any probl
- Ike Pigott
Transient logic... next big push.. data push first.. logic push next.
- Jerry Schuman
it is a document that is being passed across the web, despite how complicated the creation and distribution is. ultimately it is html and javascript
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki needs to bring in Google Reader comments related to the "post"/page it's displaying. That'd be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
the document comes from a location, or multiple locations
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki already brings in relevant related blog posts from blogsearch/google news
- Charbax
Isn't the location metaphor broken, just like the silo metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
we're resurrecting "compound document" architectures ala OpenDoc
- Jerry Schuman
Right. Firefox? What?
- Jay Cuthrell
I think anyone disclosing that would be subject to whisteblower status.
- Jay Cuthrell
Someone has to host all the web's comments, I'd rather it be Google than Facebook.
- Charbax
Charbax - I would prefer it is distributed
- Rob La Gesse
maybe microsoft is the new microsoft and google is slightly changed google
- Matt Terenzio
Okay... I'm out. (please allow me to continue with my fantasy that anyone noticed I was in)
- Ike Pigott
Bye Ike.
- Cliff Gerrish
Do we truly care who hammed a nail? Or do we mostly care that the nail was hammered properly? (pertaining to "identity")
- Jay Cuthrell
I'd prefer that comments be distributed, and when you view an "entry" or some chunk of content, all the associated, linked comments on and items related to that item can be pulled from wherever they live and displayed for me, subject to filtering I define.
- Ken Sheppardson
You can just load the comments from Google's Sidewiki server by simply copying from the RSS feeds.
- Charbax
we don't want nails, just weak glue
- Matt Terenzio
"please show your comment card"
- Jay Cuthrell
Webmasters should not be able to filter comments. That's the whole point. Power to the people, not the current establishment of the web
- Charbax
NASCAR?
- Jay Cuthrell
I love the fact that if you run Kevin's twitter id through a twitter sentiment tool he's categorized as "post-graduate" ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
that was google worthy :)
- Jay Cuthrell
The NASCAR problem is the zillions of identity logins available on sites supporting openid.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff - yeah that was the first google hit :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Hey Ken, are you coming to IIW?
- Cliff Gerrish
I wonder how NASCAR feels about that? ;-) I didn't get that as a top hit relating to mechanical engineering or marketing elements related to car racing.
- Jay Cuthrell
I might... I should.... Nov 3-5 at the Comp History Museum?
- Ken Sheppardson
Amazing. http://www.google.com/search...
- Jay Cuthrell
Can you /sidewiki/ sidewiki?
- Jay Cuthrell
Damn you Steve!
- Rob La Gesse
Ownership of content is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yes, Ken. I'll be at IIW.
- Cliff Gerrish
This event was Tricasted thanks to NewTek!
- Rob La Gesse
Could you check the audio sync before posting this on Youtube? all the other Gillmor Gang Youtube videos seem to be out of sync
- Charbax
Good show.
- Mike Doeff
This show was TriCasted :) ... like that
- Robert J Taylor
i'll have to pick it up on the rerun. deadlines and doctor's appointments intervened.
- Karoli
Charbax google is working on fixing
- Steve Gillmor
Google/YouTube is looking in to the sound sync problem. It's happend on a number of other videos too.
- Cliff Gerrish
Is there an rss feed to download the videos from YouTube yet?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Christian: You can be notified of a new upload via this RSS feed: http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds...
- Jack
Really interesting show.
- Amyloo
Still listening to the show, but one idea that doesn't seem to have been brought up on the sidewiki debate is the fact that I can create a custom CSS template for a page (Scobleizer.com for example) and even further change and/or modify a website's appearance and look. What happens when Google creates a proverbial "sideCSS" widget to allow everyone easy access to modify the look of...
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- Chris Aldrich
Doesn't RSS already strip all the formatting from a website in order to transport one level of value?
- Cliff Gerrish
Not every site has RSS. haven't you heard it's dead?
- Matt Terenzio
Everyone Is Insane, Twitter Has No Revenue - http://techgeist.net/2009...
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I thought this was from the God of FF, Holden (I WRITE FOR TECHGEIST). The lil tyke's grown on me
- sofarsoShawn
GO2WEB20 Blog: 4 New Israeli-based Startups You May Not Have Heard Of - http://blog.go2web20.net/2009...
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RT @MoTancharoen: Tomorrow your job is to watch #Dollhouse Season 2 premiere AND to go see #Fame in theaters!! That's a pretty cool job.
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Apple. Music. @gdgt. Apple. Music. @gdgt. Apple. Music. @gdgt. Apple. Music. @gdgt. Apple. Music. @gdgt. Apple. Music. @gdgt.
Daniel Rowley, Roberto Bonini, Naor Mark and 4 other people liked this
Another Apple shindig tomorrow. I will be watching http://www.gdgt.com how about you?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Will Probably watch the live stream via Gizmodo. I think gdgt is great but Gizmodo uploads more images on real-time. [Update: seems like gdgt.com is doing the better job between the two].
- Nir Ben Yona
apple seems to be in a class all there own, I will be watching http://www.gdgt.com/ too
- Kyle Case
You're forgetting the Leica announcements today :-)
- Holger Eilhard
Facebook Grouping / Privacy, people. It's there. Use it.
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Just group, you guys...
- Mona Nomura
Hey, I was looking for that!
- invariant - farewell FF
I had to master this a few weeks ago. Very helpful!
- Michael Fidler
Ok, I know I'm gonna feel like an idiot but...I don't have that button, and I even set up a list in case that would turn it on. What'd I miss?
- invariant - farewell FF
The padlock should be on your wall right next to the "Share" button. If you click the padlock, the dropdown shows up. It's also on the bookmarklet. Personally, I don't really care. Everything I share is safe for all to see.
- Mona Nomura
Hmm, I'm not getting that. Wonder if there is a related privacy setting somewhere.
- invariant - farewell FF
Let me tweak my settings - brb.
- Mona Nomura
Invariant - you're right. It's because I enable everyone to see my profile.
- Mona Nomura
Settings -> Privacy -> Profile
- Mona Nomura
Ok, not sure I'm ready for "full frontal profile", but thanks for figuring out what was going on Mona!
- invariant - farewell FF
My pleasure - hopefully those settings will be applicable to all, regardless of what level of privacy is set :)
- Mona Nomura
I've added a couple of folks from Friendfeed to mine, but was grouping them into a friendfeed group, and not having them show in the main feed. I forgot to uncheck that box for a couple now they're in my main news feed. Do you know how to shift them? You can select the group and hit edit to add and remove people, but you cant do that with the main news feed..
- Simon Wicks
It's their, it's limited, and it sucks for what I want it to do (it doesn't)
- Michael W. May
Simon - don't know how to batch uncheck, just hide when you see them float through? Don't really hide, since I have my groupings down :) MWM, sorry to hear that :( Apostol - that's the way to do it!
- Mona Nomura
If I hide them they get hidden from the friendfeed group i set up as well. Such a stupid system!
- Simon Wicks
Simon, have you tried hiding, then unhiding in the groups? Though I agree - what a unintuitive system - can't find that checkbox either.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I wonder if the complexity is so they can catch the rookies and sell their private info. Well you didnt check the block on sub page 329 which said we cant use your personal credit card to buy shots. :D
- Moved to Facebook
go to bed, Mona!
- Zach Landes
It's only 3am - first order of biz is a 9am conference call, don't have to wake up for another six-ish hours!
- Mona Nomura
How can i hide a whole group? Another stupid thing is not being able to just delete the goups you make. I have loads that i dont want anymore, with no one in them, and no way to shift them.
- Simon Wicks
Six hours?!?!?!!?! My bad. That's loads of time. I like your style! Clearly you aren't a run-of-the-mill web vixen, you're the real deal. Mountain Dew and potato chips.
- Zach Landes
Simon, you can't hide a whole group but to delete: Friends -> And you'll see three buttons to Create, Edit, or Delete (lists). To shift, you can push them into more than one list at a time so push them into the list and delete the list you don't want (so time consuming). Zach - Diet Pepsi and potato chips! ;)
- Mona Nomura
Ah, ok. Have deleted my unwanted groups now, but still cant see a way to get them out of the main feed, and only into the friendfeed group with the others. It says they're part of 2 lists, but clicking the dropdown only says friendfeed :)
- Simon Wicks
Don't know what to say. Maaan Facebook should hire me as a community manager until they simplify their UX. I have childhood friends messaging asking me to help them with the settings LOL
- Mona Nomura
Haha, thanks for trying though. I thought i'd got it cracked, but no. Its still either hide them completely, or have them in the main news feed as well as the friendfeed group.
- Simon Wicks
OR you can completely navigate via main feed - the problem is, mobile. Facebook mobile (for the iPhone) SUCKS. m.facebook.com through Safari is better. It enables 'like'ing and even enables commenting for the Selective Twitter posts (which iphone.facebook.com and the Facebook app are not capable of doing)
- Mona Nomura
Yup. Still waiting for that new version of the app they showed us what seems like a year ago now.
- Simon Wicks
Oh noes! That was supposed to be secret! Now everyone knows about "Privacy." :(
- John Wang
They changed the padlock name to "Publisher Content Default" btw.
- Mona Nomura
I agree Mona. I would guess that 99% of FB users don't use these features though
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
thanks for the headsup Mona, I also couldn't find the padlock symbol until reading this....
- Franz Sittampalam
188 unread messages and 92 pending notifications!! Not the most avid of facebook users, are we? :P
- Ade
Uhm.. I don't have the padlock thingy next to the Share button, btw.. O.o
- Ade
... me neither. No icon there
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
The padlock only shows up when your profile is viewable by all. :)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
"We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police."
Victoria, winckel, The Bohemian Penguin and 2 other people liked this
mm..pizza!
- Nia
Yeah. I'd always prefer a pizza in my door rather than a policeman.
- Nir Ben Yona
haha, cannot blame you :D i would rather get the pizza too!
- Nia
Apple's Address Book app getting social in 10.6? - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
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It's a fake. While I wish there were social integrations, Twitter integration makes no sense. Twitter's API does not provide any contact info worthy of being integrated into Address Book. Secondly, the font on Social Networks is not beveled like the Groups font. Thirdly, it's unlikely Apple would implement something like this with limited time for any dev testing before pressing dvds for a late August or September release. Lastly, I'm certain the latest dev release has already been declared gold master.
- Joshua
I still wouldn't use Apple Address Book. Never have, probably never will.
- Mac64
Counted 20 new spam followers on Twitter in the past hour. This thing is just getting worse :(
Nicholas James, Ben Sigmon, Randal and 8 other people liked this
Eugh tell me about it
- Mo Kargas
The thing is that some spammers get even more sophisticated. They don't start spamming immediately as the account goes live, but tweet like regular users for a while. It's hard to track them down, especially when they use real pics that were taken from normative users.
- Nir Ben Yona
Yep, that's my dilemma. A brief look and it seems legitimate. It's too difficult to keep a vigil on who's who.
- Mo Kargas
Most of the Twitter Spammers I have encountered have numbers (3-4) at the end of the user name and most of the spammers use sexy-ish female photos. Not a hard and fast rule, but 95% fit this so far.
- Allen Harkleroad
i've started to block them, i must admit that topify makes life little bit easier
- Naor Mark
Allen, spammers that invite you to look at their "naughty images" are easy to track, the problem is with the sneaky ones. Couple weeks ago, I accidentally found a Twitter spam account that holds an avatar of a legit Friendfeed user, I was amazed to see that.
- Nir Ben Yona
Which FF user Nir? This may be something we need publicized....
- Carlos Ayala
Carlos, I already told him about that, a nice French guy. If you insist on the specific name I can find it for you.
- Nir Ben Yona
No, thats kool. I hope that this is not a sign of things to come (avatar-jacking).
- Carlos Ayala
Don't know how wide this avatar-jacking really is, but since then I already tracked 2 more image stealing.
- Nir Ben Yona
@einatmeyron התעייפתי מזה שכל אחד מדרג עד כמה מישהו הוא סושיאל או לא. האם הפעילות של גורם X ממשת את מטרותיו העסקיות? אם התשובה היא כן - אחלה
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If websites were people (YouTube’s is surprisingly accurate) - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Where's Microsoft?
- Jesse Stay
stats say that teens dont twit so i guess twitter is a little off.
- ugurarcan
Not invited, Jesse.
- Louis Gray
jesse, microsoft is facebook's middle name.
- Bahriye
Twitter is really pale. Are they saying they never leave the house cause they are too busy tweeting? haha
- Shevonne
Where's FriendFeed?
- AJ Batac
in Facebook :(
- Zee.
OH. Yeah. I forgot. :'(
- AJ Batac
how about twitter? seems accurate too:)) where is FF?
- Mycaptain
ff is in the right pocket of facebook
- Bahriye
I'm convinced some mental asylum somewhere uses YouTube as anger therapy for its most disturbed and sociopathic patients.
- Chris Baskind
Expected Twitter to be a marketing social media expert. FF should be a hand puppet with Facebook's hand up its ass.
- Rodfather
LOL ROdfather!
- WorldofHiglet
WAAAAOOWW, Rodfather!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Lol +1 Chris
- Zee.
Aww Google looks kind of mean and disapproving : (
- Jess Lee
Google should have been searching something :))
- Turgay Dogan
deviantArt's the only girl?
- TonyRetrobot
I would think MySpace would be a teen chick
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Twitter should be Miley Cyrus
- Alejandro
Twitter should be an adult with gadgets in every pocket.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Or a can of spam, lol
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I'm already in love with DeviantArt
- Arash Nightwatcher
the source: http://elontirien.deviantart.com/art...
- Daniel Sims
ah, thanks Daniel
- Zee.
The interwebs sure are pale.
- cecily
Version 2: http://imgur.com/7mBO6.png
- Tanath
nice Tanath
- Zee.
I don't see 4chan. Probably for the best :p
- CannonGod
They would probably just have the V for Vendetta mask.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
@Neal: Epic Fail Guy! :D
- CannonGod
While I like the artwork and sentiment, the characters are really accurate. MySpace are moms and kids, Twitter is 30+, ok the YouTube guy looks about right assuming he's a commenter :-)
- DaveDelaney.ME
and here's digg, reddit, and 4chan http://imgur.com/7mBO6.png
- ian kennedy
Now taking bets on how many times 7mBO6.png gets posted here. =)
- Andrew C
Cecily, that was my comment as well. Very white and very skinny.
- Louis Gray
first time google looks sexy...well, kinda...
- Kamamiya
i hear they are making the cartoon for adult swim. spoiler alert: myspace gets killed halfway into the first season.
- jack
Funny.
- Rick Cogley
Google's wearing a *tie*?? Clearly they haven't hung around engineering much.
- Aaron D'Souza
Cool. I want to see the story that inspired the art.
- Michael Leggett
that was good 1.
- nishu
this is awesome. very good work!
- Logan Lindquist
Love the photos. Nice job...
- Mitchell Tsai
@Aaron - maybe the artist's conception of Google is about the ad sales, not the engineering.
- Andrew C
@Andrew: Wow. In that case, we have some seriously grumpy-looking sales folks. :)
- Aaron D'Souza
FriendFeed, Facebook, Twitter - they're all tools. "If you think a tool is a community, you too, are a tool." - @ChrisPirillo
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You guys, it's about the connections we make, not where we make them. :)
- Mona Nomura
But good tools facilitate community much better than mediocre tools. The FF community exists as it does today because FF has an excellent convergence of features that does not exist anywhere else at this time.
- LogEx
Twitter is crap but there is still a HUGE community. ;)
- Mona Nomura
That's a pretty myopic statement on Chris' part. The tool enables the formation of community but it is not merely a tool. If that were so, companies would sell the code and leave all the data they've collected from users, all the words, pictures, etc. alone. But they don't. The community is at least important to them as something to be milked. Of course, a smart buyer finds a way to use the community as an asset.
- Spidra Webster
I make better friends here than via smoke signals or the Pony Express.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
There are a lot of users, but it's much harder on Twitter to develop deeper relationships through short bursts of text without threading, very few ways to organize, etc.
- LogEx
Doesn't the community *use* the tools?
- Dennis Jernberg
It doesn't matter what tool you use, community is something you build, cultivate, and nurture. Fortunately, we have a lot of tools we can use - just because one of our favorite tools (might) go away, it doesn't mean the community disappears with it, too. :)
- Mona Nomura
I sure hope we can migrate this community to one or two other tools that make sense.
- LogEx
We'll just have to wait and see. Frankly, I'm excited.
- Mona Nomura
I see it as being a little bit like language. Human societies come up with languages and the language reflects their ways of thought, etc. But the language they use in turn forms the way they think.
- Spidra Webster
In terms of tools, Spidra?
- Mona Nomura
Not all tools but social networking tools that include a conversational element. BBSes, fora, FF, Twitter, FB, MySpace, etc.
- Spidra Webster
The tool isn't the community, the community simply uses the tool. Once the meeting place is established and the culture defined by it's users, abruptly losing the tool is a lot like having the rug pulled out from underneath the community. It's disruptive and losing the tool, means losing the culture and community that evolved around the tool.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I truly hope Facebook executes (true) real time integration, while tweaking the rudimentary features. Grouping, organizing, and tabs, as well as our newsfeeds are still a tad wonky. But imagine the possibilities if it's done in a simple, clean, fashion. Everything will be in one spot!
- Mona Nomura
That's a disappointing statement coming from Chris.
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
The problem is that I have different kind of community in Facebook (=more people I know personally, co-workers, bosses etc) compared to the one here in FriendFeed (=more international/more "strangers"). It is not so easy to merge them together without affecting behaviour in one another. For example, I am very careful what I put into Facebook compared to what I put in FriendFeed.
- Jemm
It's unfortunate Facebook is so hard to use - but the privacy settings ARE there... In fact, I'm making a FF list right now :)
- Mona Nomura
FB UI sucks, in my opinion. My distaste for FB has little to do with elitism and very much to do with how inconvenient it is to use.
- Spidra Webster
I don't know how comfortable I am with Chris talking about my tool.
- Joe Pierce
Tools should evolve to a point of hyper-customization whereby they evolve to become platforms .....
- Jassim
Congrats to Chris Pirillo!
- Olcayto Cengiz
I'm hungry.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
You can do a whole lot of damage to a community by damaging its infrastructure. Just ask victims of flooding, hurricanes, tsunamis. THAT is why people are worried. FF is the infrastructure for the community that's gathered here, and THAT is why many of us feel passionately about the acquisition and are deeply concerned with its effects. [EDIT: I think I'm also partially responding to another user's post I read yesterday that suggested that the community here isn't "real."]
- Scott of Two Countries
I feel the same as Jemm in that I look at FB and FF as two different kinds of communities. I'm not sure how the two will mix. I definitely want to try to mix them though - the FF community is way more interesting then my FB community!
- Alex Hellstrom
China actually has a Constitution?
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Whatever... all I know is when people move out of one neighborhood... connections get lost. And I'm not a TOOL. *sobs*
- Yolanda
Well that's a bit insulting, gnome! I guess it could be called a tool, but it is a tool to create a community, so... I agree with Mona though, I've said as much
- Mo Kargas
Mona, I will follow you wherever you go... Wait, that came out wrong ;-)
- Holger Eilhard
Some connections are not viable outside of their realms.
- Amit Morson
All of you people who are bummed about FriendFeed 'tanking' hey, I understand because I love the FF community, too. But I'm having trouble understanding why you - seem to believe you can't keep your connections outside of FF?
- Mona Nomura
Mona - It's because a site culture and community evolves around the provided tool-set. Change the tool-set and you change the way the community interacts.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Many folks here have been using many of various tools that get fed in here, but have never interacted before friendfeed. Most of the other tools just do not facilitate the interaction, no matter how bad you want them to.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
There is a difference between a tool and a shared space.
- joey
"Most of the other tools just do not facilitate the interaction, no matter how bad you want them to." - Amber Spence
- Mark Davidson
I've noticed that with the jump to Posterous, Streamy, etc., and with the move to create an open source successor to FF, the FF community looks like it's starting to become quite, well, distributed. Overlaps w/Twitter and even blogs as well.
- Dennis Jernberg
the shade is a tool (cit.)
- simone
Chris is wrong.
- Steven Perez
LOL
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona - The thing is I interact with a lot of people on FF that I haven't necessarily connected with in other places. I'd say the majority of them I haven't. And while I do have connections with some people on other services, FF is where we do most of our interactions. Take FF away and I have to have a special "occasion" to communicate with them on the other services. And my whole FF...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
My hope is, Facebook and FriendFeed will find a way to integrate so some if the best features of FriendFeed are naturally incorporated - we'll see!
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
I agree they are all tools and it is all about the connections we make. However the quality of some tools are better than that of other tools.
- Edward Craddock
It’s highly probable you have never seen this happen in real life before. - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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I use my iphone to read friendfeed under the covers in bed...my gf thinks there's another woman...
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Just saw this. Glad you are here Zee...you are VERY close to getting Admin rights for this comment :)
- Justin Korn
close??? Give me the God Damn admin rights...i need them...i need them, you don't understand... (that was meant to like the way an addict would btw...) :)
- Zee.
HAHA!
- Justin Korn
ammmm.. more like 1000 other women? :)
- Naor Mark
may I reshare this? That's way too good.. :D
- Niki Costantini
ha, for sure :)
- Zee.
thank you :)
- Niki Costantini
hahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah!!!!
- Mona Nomura
Oh this is classic!
- orionstarr
it is like a book with built-in flashlight
- Mike Chelen
After an Agonizing Wait, Picasa For Mac Finally Arrives | Epicenter from Wired.com - http://blog.wired.com/busines...
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Mac users, you can stop holding your breath. Google announced Monday that Picasa for the Mac, a free desktop application for editing, organizing and sharing digital photos, is now available as a public beta through Google Labs.
- Matt Harwood
from Bookmarklet
Please note the url is currently not working...
- Matt Harwood
where where.. the d/l page does not work :(
- Naor Mark
ya, not working :S
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
If somebody successfully downloads this, can you please try OurDoings and see if our Picasa button works? You can disable the button afterwards.
- Bruce Lewis
Eep. Is the gap of time between the Windows release of Picasa and the Mac release an indication as to how long we'll have to wait for Chrome?
- Victor Ganata
Seems to work now for me! - http://googlephotos.blogspot.com/2009...
- Adam Lasnik
only the blog post not the download
- Naor Mark
I've got it installed. Currently scanning my HDD for pics. Cool.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Victor, could be longer. The customized UI they did for Chrome will have to be created from scratch for OS X.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Still can't access http://picasa.google.com/mac :(
- Matt Harwood
Matt: just go to: http://picasa.google.com/ ON a mac you will automatically land on: http://picasa.google.com/mac/
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Nicholas - you're fantastic. Thank you very much!
- Matt Harwood
done that and i get the dmg of PicasaWebAlbumsUploader not the picasa app - could it be limited to a territory?
- Naor Mark
About time too!!!
- Mel Buckpitt
I've never used Picasa - until my needs grew to Aperture I loved iPhoto. What does it do better than iPhoto? Why would I want this? (honest questions, not snarky ones)
- Sparky, a big deal
Ah, yeah, Nicholas I just installed the web uploader too - still no cigar :(
- Matt Harwood
It seems that most iLife apps realize their potential when used in conjuction with their online services(.mac/ MobileMe). Picasa (and Google apps in general) accomplish most of the same things for free.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
for me it's mainly for multi platforms (having mac,win & linux at home). As an app (and i'm not an expert, used it on Win.) it's very easy to use, with various tagging options and it works quite well on my home network storage so it is perfect for our "home photo processing work flow->(i.e. i move the pics to the drive, wife is organizing and tag them :))
- Naor Mark
Link still isn't working - only downloads the web updater, not the actual Picasa software.
- cecily
From Duncan Riley - this link at Download.com works!! http://www.download.com/Picasa...
- Matt Harwood
Here's the direct link (others above forgot the #): http://picasa.google.com/mac/#
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
After installing, I realized that Google is investing in video a lot with this, particularly with connecting YouTube directly to the interface. Given that most consumer cameras can shoot acceptable quality videos (which will increase significantly soon), Picasa is likely to become more relevant for videos at some point.
- Engin Erdogan
amazing how so many so called tech experts kept pushing the uploader as the real deal - it finally materialized but long after most had shot themselves
- Kevin Cearns
I'd like to echo Sparky's question: Can someone articulate advantages over iPhoto? Is it just sync to cloud integration?
- Micah Wittman
Personally speaking I find that iPhoto is a 'walled garden' or in OSx speak 'a package'. If you want to store your images in different folders, with different names, manipulate your images with another app, you have to set up aliases and all sorts of other nonsense. Picasa allows you to import your images wherever you want so they can be used by whatever app you want and that includes Picasa. It has basic image manipulation which I find very intuitive to use.
- Mel Buckpitt
It also allows you access to a Flickr like photo sharing account
- Mel Buckpitt
Its nice but it does not integrate with the other apple software (media browser) and it doesnt allow the db to be stored on a different drive :( Picasa web albums is very nice though
- Jonas Wouters
Will give this a try when I get home after work, but I don't know if I will migrate away from Flickr.
- Vinko
aah fcuk. Intel only. I really need to upgrade my Mac this year.
- Vincent van Wylick
Vinko, try http://picasa2flickr.sourceforge.net/ Picasa supports buttons that upload to other photo-sharing sites. Now I just need to test it with my site. Is it really Intel only?
- Bruce Lewis
bout time.
- Cee Bee
Installed Picasa eagerly. It's giving me some issues though. Doesn't show one of my watched drives and folders on it. Worked fine for an hour, dissappeared the second time I opened it.
- Kamath (नमः)
I'm just urked that the damn program only works on Intel. Programmers, STOP making things ONLY for Intel, (or just new stuff). some of us are #unemployed and poor. :( --- still holding my breath.
- thecolor
Yeah, I don't understand why they can't just build a universal binary. Are developers really relying on Intel-only bits?
- Victor Ganata
Picasa for Mac is fantastic! Although I have and still use Nikon Capture NX for my Nikon RAW files (NEF), Picasa does a wonderful job of organizing my photos and making it so much easier to search through them! It does have some pretty nifty editing tools available, too, although it won't take the place of a more full-featured photo editing program. Picasa has organized my files in such...
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- John G
Postbox: A mail client for Mac and PC based on Mozilla technology - http://postbox-inc.com/
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Been messing around with this today and it's very, very impressive. I don't know if it'll beat out Mail.app as my primary e-mail client but it's way better than Thunderbird (even better than Thunderbird 3).
- Akiva Moskovitz
from Bookmarklet
hmm...
- edythe
@Akiva: In all fairness, Thunderbird's been dead in the water for a while. Gmail + Gcal have killed everything except Outlook in the enterprise
- LANjackal
The 'lightning fast search' - is it all locally cached to enable that, or does it do server IMAP searches?
- Sparky, a big deal
LANjackal, I routinely loathe Gmail.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Sparky, I imagine it's a local index.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm checking it out. I like the interface, however "It's not Gmail". For you thats a good thing, but not for me. It threads conversations, but doesn't hide the repeated stuff. Too much scrolling!
- Sparky, a big deal
Also: I'm not sure what they are going for with topics. Is it supposed to be tags?
- Sparky, a big deal
For me, the less an e-mail client acts like Gmail, the better it is.
- Akiva Moskovitz
But what's the point of threading conversations if you don't hide the repeated bits? It's just putting emails in a long strip then. I don't see value in that.
- Sparky, a big deal
Well, if people knew how to properly quote e-mail rather than lazily quoting it all, it wouldn't be an issue.
- Akiva Moskovitz
People shouldn't do that - machines should. Replying to email should be as quick as possible - hit a single key to start replying, type a response, and then no more than 2 keystrokes to send. Lazy quoting isn't a problem for Gmail or Outlook because they both do you the service of client-side hiding all the lazy quotes.
- Sparky, a big deal
You're wrong. People should put more thought into their replies: they should select the quotes they want and they respond to them.
- Akiva Moskovitz
FWIW, I find Gmail's model horrifically disturbing if you're not using Gmail. It promotes TOFU and is generally a huge pain in the ass to anyone who choses not to drink the kool-aid. mutt(1) and vi(1) for lyph3 plz.
- matthew john ernisse
I love Gmail, but agree with Akiva about quoting. Proper quoting can't be done by a machine.
- Roger Benningfield
"proper" quoting sucks for context though. If you trim quotes and then we add a 3rd person to the thread how can they catch up other than manually forwarding them the 20 responses so far? A big part of what I do for a living is emailing and I can't imagine trying to jump into issues mid-stream if I couldn't read through the mile of responses when I first get it. From that point on I rely on the client to only show me net-new responses.
- Sparky, a big deal
bleh, forward the thread as attachments, explode them into a folder and read them unfettered by all the cluttery nonsense. see also writing a synopsis. And that's about as much as I'm going to say about inline vs TOFU. This need not become holy war territory.
- matthew john ernisse
Forwarding the thread as attachments is a pain in the ass. Email shouldn't get in the way of productivity, rather be a quick and transparent conduit of information. Email is like IM that's indexed for eternity.
- Sparky, a big deal
Sparkles, have you seen the Wave video?
- joey
Sparky, and trying to make heads or tails of a 20-level-deep quote pile is also a pain in the ass.
- Akiva Moskovitz
for this very reason I am super exited for wave. though a lot of the drawbacks of e-mail are MUA issues, not protocol issues.
- matthew john ernisse
Joey - I'm wet for wave. Akiva - trying to make heads or tails of only the last snip of a 20-level--deep quote pile is impossible.
- Sparky, a big deal
I thought you might be.
- joey
Which is why you can send them the thread as an attachment.
- Akiva Moskovitz
If you send a 'properly' quoted thread as an attachment you A) have to keep doing that as a thread balloons and more people get added and B) the person has to click through 20 seperate attachments and figure out what order they go in. I'd rather have a single long strip I can scroll to the bottom of and work my way up. ALSO ALSO: the .eml format is not widely standardized, so you can't forward emails as attachments to people using other email clients.
- Sparky, a big deal
If you send a 'properly' quoted thread as an attachment you A) have to keep doing that as a thread balloons and more people get added and B) the person has to click through 20 seperate attachments and figure out what order they go in. I'd rather have a single long strip I can scroll to the bottom of and work my way up. ALSO ALSO: the .eml format is not widely standardized, so you can't forward emails as attachments to people using other email clients.
- Sparky, a big deal
ALSO - how the heck do you "properly" quote on a mobile device?
- Sparky, a big deal
That would be a short-coming of the mobile device's mail client.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Name a single mobile device that makes selective quoting even possible (barring holding the delete key for obscene amounts of time).
- Sparky, a big deal
That would be a short-coming of the mobile device's mail client.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That, or you have an unrealistic expectation that the world does something by hand that is entirely unneeded. I'd say that the majority of all email sent in the world is sent from Outlook or Gmail (the enterprise sends a LOT of mail) and both of those clients handle client side display of lazy quoting very well, and every mobile client in the world enforces lazy quoting.
- Sparky, a big deal
And IE is the dominant browser in the market place yet it encourages all sorts of really bad behavior in both developers and in user expectations. Doesn't make it right.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Fair point. I still think it's a large amount of effort to quote something for a 3 word reply.
- Sparky, a big deal
Jason - that is actually the one thing that still has me playing with Postbox. Search results as a tab is slick.
- Sparky, a big deal
mernisse: I don't think most people care about TOFU so most clients don't care if they promote it or not. Honestly the only time I ever heard it mentioned (including 4 years at one of the nerdiest schools in the country) was at Frontier :P
- Benjamin Golub
Haha - google for 'tofu mail' and the results are so all over the board.
- Sparky, a big deal
bolub: Which is fine by me :) I'm a big fan of using technology in the way that best suits you. Hence running Linux on a MacBook and barely ever replying to e-mail on my BlackBerry and my staunch use of inline replies. There is a fairly big rift between TOFU and inline even in large development communities such as lkml or {ubuntu,debian}-devel.
- matthew john ernisse
Akiva - one thing about your IE analogy. While IE sucks and everyone in the know hates it developers still have to code friendly to IE6 otherwise a large portion of their audience can't see it. Full quoting is inelegant but at least it always works.
- Sparky, a big deal
That's still no excuse for it. You might as well encourage writing really inelegant code as long as it works.
- Akiva Moskovitz
You can write very elegant code - just make sure you write it twice: once for IE6 and once for everything else.
- Sparky, a big deal
checking out Postbox e-mail client. strangely interesting. http://postbox-inc.com/
- Bill Carroll
I've been following this conversation through FF notification to Gmail. I've definitely have had a few sips of the Gmail "koolaide"... :-)
- Kevin Whalen
from email
this looks very good
- Michael
Jason, I never used Pegasus very much because, to me, it seemed like an inferior Mulberry (the best IMAP client to ever have existed).
- Akiva Moskovitz
... TOFU?
- cecily
another way of saying top-posting, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... It stands for 'Text over Fullquote Under'
- matthew john ernisse
This looks really promising, but I don't get enough mail to make me want to go back to using a desktop client.
- cecily
Looks good, but at this point it would take *true* Gmail syncing (favorites, filters, labels, etc.) for me to return to a desktop client. Gmail is just far too capable as it is.
- LANjackal
I am again so very, very glad I don't use Gmail.
- Akiva Moskovitz
definitely liking it so far!
- holly
Gonna have to check this out...
- Michael McKean
People who use Thunderbird have nothing to lose and everything to gain by switching to Postbox. It's missing a few niceties such as being able to click on a date and make an iCal entry linking back to that e-mail, something I do constantly with Mail.app; it's also not automatically turning an http:// text into a link. Hopefully these things will be addressed in future versions (along with making the conversation mode a little more intelligent as Sparky as pointed out).
- Akiva Moskovitz
Installed it as a backup in case of Gmail failure. Now IMAPing my all my mail to my HDD. Good suggestion, Akiva.
- LANjackal
Just installed it and am checking it out. Thanks for the tip.
- amygeek
I was really impressed with it until I realized I just don't want to give up that much RAM to an email client. Back to Gmail for me.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I have been using postbox since the get-go. mail was constantly having issues with smtp, and I wanted a fresh start. I like the tab views and to-do integration, they added quick-look recently and it has been pretty rock solid overall. I highly recommend it
- joey
I won't be able to use it as my primary e-mail client until they integrate with iCal. I need to be able to click a date in an e-mail and add it as an iCal event linking back to the e-mail. I do that constantly.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Can't wait to give Postbox a whirl on my Mac. Mail.app sucks so hard it's just dying to be replaced.
- Adam Morris
I tried this app a bit yesterday on a Windows machine, and I really liked how it easily integrated with my Google Apps account, even threading conversations. I seemed to miss some functionality that is apparent in the OS X version though, but that wasn't _very_ needed. Seemed quite speedy, and the default settings were nice and not obnoxious (e.g. didn't save IMAP e-mail for offline use).
- Niklas Pivic
Thanks for the mini review ^Niklas :)
- Keshav Khera
Keshav: I'm glad to have helped, if I have. :-)
- Niklas Pivic
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