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Mark Bonchek, Naor Mark, cliveb and 9 other people liked this
hello there
- Kevin Marks
Hang on Kevin. We're about to get you connected but maybe a 5 min delay
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Those Facebook Video's yesterday were so cheesy!
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Google+ went open earlier this week, but after what Facebook showed yesterday it may as well get closed!
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
when will the show start?
- nchenga
shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry for the problems, they are my fault. I'm at Smash Summit and had some technical problems getting online.
- Robert Scoble
Steve, I'm on Skype waiting for your call.
- Robert Scoble
Howdy!
- Nir Ben Yona
unpaid bloggers - it's because of, not with as Doc searls says
- Kevin Marks
Where does this leave Google+?
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Honestly, I have never seen Mark Zuckerberg being so natural, real and beautifully open!
- Nir Ben Yona
And his goofy nervous laugh
- Mark Vaske
Facebook is turning into the iPhone?
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Moe: Google+ is Google's "bet the company" reaction to Zuckerberg's strategy.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. Will be very difficult for Google to break Facebook's hold on the Social Graph
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
What about all of the pissed off users? I guess they'll adapt.
- Alex de Soto
Moe is right, unless Google acts very very swiftly. Otherwise it becomes something else.
- Mark Vaske
you can see what I read through the fb ux; I don't generally read the wapo as it's paywall is too cumbersome
- Kevin Marks
Google may have to buy Twitter and morp elements of Google+ inside it, to have any chance in Social
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Is this Dan's post? http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment...
- Alex de Soto
thats the one Alex
- Kevin Marks
the other thing, as Zuck touted endlessly yesterday, everything now just happens serendipitously.
- Mark Vaske
Interesting article: http://venturebeat.com/2011...
- Darren
serendipity doo dah.
- Kevin Marks
Pissed off users have no other major service to go to (Twitter doesn't count). Google+ isn't offering users anything distinct from Facebook. Same behemoth data-mining and monetizing our personal data attached to our real world identities.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Does someone have the link to Dan's post?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The alternative is to put NO data out there.. :)
- Kevin Costain
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment...
- Alex de Soto
Farhad Manjoo had a good point about sharing http://www.slate.com/...&
- Kevin Marks
do we really want a fragmented web identity spread throughout the web, or do we want a centralized location someone can go to figure out who we are with the external apps we use, that push into facebook?
- Mark Vaske
we want both
- Kevin Marks
I'm seeing allot of people on Facebook with this status: Please do me a favour and move your mouse over my name here, wait for the box to load and then move your mouse over the "Subscribe" link. Then uncheck the "Comments and Likes". I would really rather that my comments on friends and families posts not be made public. Then re-post this if you don't want your every single move posted on the right side in the "Ticker Box" for everyone to see.
- Kevin Costain
I'm wondering also - if there is somewhere in Facebook that we could see our own ticker?
- Kevin Costain
Yep - we're are not people - we are dollar signs ... peachy
- Xenophrenia
Facebook now combines all your activity in a category and shows, I like these videos or this music, even though you are using 8 different services for each.
- Mark Vaske
There are many privacy issues concerning the direction that Facebook is trying to take. But to make people happily join this 'fun ride' the Zuck makes jokes with SNL buddies to sell this
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
do those end up accessible by the graph API?
- Kevin Marks
Facebook is a homage to the almighty dollar ... and we have all lain ourselves out prone praising the loss of human by hailing the wonder of how we can be sold ... Facebook is the pimp
- Xenophrenia
http://j.mp/disruptFlix was my take on this
- Kevin Marks
Thats ridiculous to say. It is a service that provides a communication tool. You can see it as us all becoming narcissists but thats only if you use the tool that way.
- Mark Vaske
Facebook is the pimp whoring our humanity to the advertising johns ...
- Xenophrenia
The speed of the networks is what is killing DVDs.
- Alex de Soto
Next gone the 2 party political system
- cliveb
I still think there's no replacement to DVD when it comes to music shows (DTS quality and that kind of stuff).
- Nir Ben Yona
Marketing, marketing, marketing
- Stephen Pickering
I posted to Facebook I was at Guitar Center and when I got home there were adverts for guitars on my page
- Stephen Pickering
Because money is all that matters
- Xenophrenia
Google does the same thing with email
- Mark Vaske
It's attention.. catching attention and gaining the attention of an increasingly fragmented and busy population.
- Kevin Costain
who's going to fave tide?
- Kevin Marks
tide, dawn, soft soap
- Mark Vaske
I feel like we are in the chapel with the dollar sign on the altar and Robert is the preacher
- Xenophrenia
FB will have the brand ads and Google will keep the cash flow ads, and naturally both are growing tremendously as the media moves to the web
- Stephen Pickering
Money doesn't have to have a bad connotation, if it's exchanged for actual value
- Stephen Pickering
I'm a sucker for Method detergent. 4 pumps and you're done!
- Alex de Soto
The ticker is genius
- Mark Vaske
Stephen - that's why the actual saying it that it's the love of money that's the root of all evil - not money itself
- Xenophrenia
Money is a clear driving force. As such, I think it's a moot point. If you don't like it - there must be an empty cabin somewhere in the woods of B.C.
- Kevin Costain
If Facebook can get the Bank Account details of their Members then that will be a big deal
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Kevin is battling a bug that wants to eat him!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
money is NOT the primary motivating force for humans ... sorry ... study after study has shown that ...
- Xenophrenia
But, as Leo points out Robert, Facebook is becoming increasingly complex to use and understand
- Stephen Pickering
What's the Ticker?
- Stephen Pickering
@Xenophrenia - I'm speaking of what's driving companies such as Facebook.. not humans in particular..
- Kevin Costain
Robert is smashed, rather at Smash.
- Alex de Soto
that fly is very annoying
- Kevin Marks
Facebook is apparently doing a major deal with PayPal very soon
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
the ticker is the new recent news system on facebook that is all encompassing and a live stream much like twitter. The homepage is now based on the top stories relevant to you filtered by close friends
- Mark Vaske
Kevin Costain - then was the cabin in the woods addition to the comment? ;-)
- Xenophrenia
But a Twitter only comes around once in a Career
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin - get a baseball bat and whack that sucker
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: Will PayPal handle Facebook currency?
- Alex de Soto
I should plug the bug zapper in
- Kevin Marks
FB is making deals with everyone.
- Phil Ashman
Alex- That could well be the case
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
@Xenophrenia - my edit was to correct my crappy spelling.. the cabin in the woods was the fun part of my comment.. haha...
- Kevin Costain
Glam+Ning too, potentially
- Kevin Marks
Tumblr's on a tear
- cliveb
The Communications Revolution is on a tear
- Stephen Pickering
Wonder how Apple is taking all of this. Could their iTunes and App Store suffer?
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Apple is betting on twitter as their social bus
- Kevin Marks
Especially if Facebook has a payment system in place
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Hi. Is there video up, or is that just my gremlin?
- Hilary Talbot
WOuld anyone here invest in Pandora? Or will Spotify and iCloud defeat them?
- Stephen Pickering
I don't feel that Facebook's Ticker and Timeline features are necessarily revolutionary. Both these things are ways of organizing and presenting data Facebook already has.
- Kevin Costain
Very true Kevin
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
@Stephen - for sure, I would stay away from Pandora.. :)
- Kevin Costain
It'll be interesting to watch how Netflix fare as the incumbents and content distributors continue to pull their catalogues from netflix. Just read about the possible Blockbuster/Dish streaming service.
- Phil Ashman
OK, I noticed their stock getting ripped and was wondering if it was worth dipping my toe in. I enjoy the service myself
- Stephen Pickering
Phil Yeah I saw that report too today on CNBC
- Stephen Pickering
I think the biggest shift in FB's paradigm is the subscription vs friends. How they transition that could be very important
- Mark Vaske
So will public posts on FB be searchable by Google?
- Stephen Pickering
What strategy has Microsoft got. They may have a small stake in Facebook but their Roadmap is stuck in traffic
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
@mark - I would not be surprised to see the future Facebook allows users to create profiles that can ONLY be subscribed too in an easy way.
- Kevin Costain
Funny how they ended up using the same terminology (subscribe) as Friendfeed...I wonder why.....LOL
- Phil Ashman
No mention of your London trip Robert, or even iPhone 4S launch date!
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
@kevin friend requests now default as a subscription, and de-friending still leaves that friend as a subscriber unless explicitly blocked. So in some ways it already is a simple default model.
- Mark Vaske
I like Zoë Keating's 'more than just crunchy water' worldview http://bit.ly/o3kKcS
- Kevin Marks
New ways of organizing/presenting can be revolutionary. Google's pagerank was just a new way of organizing/presenting info the WWW already had.
- Bruce Lewis
I never thought the venerable HP would go down like this
- Stephen Pickering
@mark - indeed, i see the separation of "friend" and "subscribe" as a way for Facebook to create these sort fo Page-ish types of profiles (possibly for brands and celebrities?) that can only be followed (a la twitter).
- Kevin Costain
it solves the 5000 followers only problem
- Kevin Marks
@both kevins. Indeed, it could threaten twitter. Robert wrote a good article about friends and aquintences, but he didnt mention what subscribers meant and its really booming. Google+ ers are now enabling subscriptions on facebook and there is a slight shift in that direction.
- Mark Vaske
Google has all the pieces to the puzzle, whereas the other players don't
- Stephen Pickering
YouTube is google's ace in the hole - the hangouts/youtube integration is going to be interesting
- Kevin Marks
@Stephen - I think your right. Facebook as all the eyeballs though. :)
- Kevin Costain
@stephen - they have all the pieces all in separate places, un-unified. Facebook has brought much of that together with apps.
- Mark Vaske
They seem unified to me in my Google account and even in mobile all your info immediately syncs over the air
- Stephen Pickering
I have to run folks.. thanks for a great show. Have a wonderful weekend.
- Kevin Costain
Google doesn't have Social Business. This will be a Goldmine that can swamp all forms of online advertising
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
@stephen but there isnt a great way to share it, unless its done manually.
- Mark Vaske
Well all their products just constantly blow me away, translation, maps, Youtube now has cloud editing, they are the new "Cloud" operating system
- Stephen Pickering
@ stephen - I agree, but they need to unify them. I think that is why robert has "bet his career on it, but they do need to move if they want the users.
- Mark Vaske
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Nir Ben Yona, Aron Michalski, Ankush Narula and 8 other people liked this
So I was trying to list what companies you guys talk about: Apple, Facebook, Google, Twitter
- Vezquex
Is there anything else? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gray, our studio cat is already complaining. He knows a show is about to happen and HE's NOT HAPPY.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Where is the Gillmor Gang chat?
- Doug Ellis
this is the Gillmor Gang chat... but show hasn't started yet
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I have a new Google+ feature (suggested user list, just turned on) to discuss.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - can you post here as the show begins?
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
show has begun
- Christopher Harris
You are in color for us
- Doug Ellis
Doug: well that's good.
- Robert Scoble
Metallica doesn't suit Steve
- Francine Hardaway
I bet he said no
- Francine Hardaway
Yes!
- Francine Hardaway
I thought you couldn't have a brand on + yet
- Francine Hardaway
where can I find this list?
- Christopher Harris
THen I must be on the SUL
- Francine Hardaway
I post Madonna's tweets
- Francine Hardaway
hi kids
- Aron Michalski
Hi Aronski
- Francine Hardaway
What a de-motivator distribution seems to be
- Francine Hardaway
Yay - discussion of the Google+ default list - YAY!
- Allen Stern
hey Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Hi Tina!
- Aron Michalski
I figured it would take 3-6 months for a default list - but they did it even sooner! The problem is that celebs have no desire to interact with normals. Twitter allows them to spread the message with just talking to, here they want you to talk with - that won't work. But what the freak do I know, I don't have 100,000 followers so my thoughts are useless apparently.
- Allen Stern
You are right, Allen
- Francine Hardaway
G+ over-weighting, very astute
- cliveb
Allen: they needed to change their suggestions. Telling me to follow Mark Zuckerberg, who has never posted, is funny but really bad for new users to the service.
- Robert Scoble
hm, Kevin Rose's google plus page is result 2 for 'kevin' now (in an incognito window)
- Kevin Marks
G+ integration with Google Apps
- Ankush Narula
i find google+ a hassle to set-up let alone engage with.
- Gregg
Robert - why in the heck do you think Cashmore and Zee fought to keep his account on google+ - because they needs it for the seo juice.
- Allen Stern
Twiiter still go to communications medium for mois....
- Gregg
G+ for Apps = Chatter
- Ankush Narula
My corp doesn't use Salesforce - we are using G+ though for internal sharing...
- Max Headroom
I saw the ManyMoon team this week - smart bunch
- Kevin Marks
I reall haven't been able to get into Google+ - not sure shy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
http://bit.ly/pn4zc8 is the Schmidt /benioff interview
- Kevin Marks
0.2c Developer community: SFDC attracts older developers, GOOG younger. Late middle still MSFT, Energetic Devs doing consumer web startups
- cliveb
considering how much scoble loves google+, it's odd that this chat is still on ff
- Allen Stern
Tina: because finding people interesting to you is VERY difficult on Google+.
- Robert Scoble
Apple is a business disruptor - not a business partner. Salesforce, Google, etc don't have the same latitude.
- Ankush Narula
Allen: that's because it's hard to embed Google+ in web pages.
- Robert Scoble
and yet - my first time back in months on ff and i can see how much better this still is than google+.
- Allen Stern
tahnks scoble
- Allen Stern
Exactly, Kevin nailed it
- cliveb
yea FriendFeed!
- Gregg
taking over san francisco maybe...
- Kevin Marks
it was a non-story!
- Max Headroom
supposedly it was a fake story
- Ankush Narula
the lost iPhone never turned up. The police say it never happened.
- Michael Markman
Just trying to feed the iPhone 5 vacuum
- Max Headroom
What, no world domination Kevin?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i saw an apple 6 demo unit left on a table in the whole foods near me
- Allen Stern
My Droid just updated to Gingerbread, finally. Maybe that Motorola purchase has legs
- Kevin Marks
Gingerbread? is it a food theme or a fairytail one?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
all the UX changed...
- Kevin Marks
oh and btw - i predict 60 days and google+ will have aggregation too.
- Allen Stern
fun fact; the bit of Moto that makes set top boxes was once an independent company called General Instruments. Donald Rumsfeld was CEO at one point.
- Michael Markman
Kevin - self mute if you can. its better that way if you control
- Tina Chase Gillmor
As long as Android app revenues are lower than iOS app revenues - Android vs iOS comparisons are moot. iOS hardware profits are the bulk of smartphone profits.
- Ankush Narula
I am now, Tina, sorry
- Kevin Marks
the crane is getting further away
- Kevin Marks
Gingerbread, mango, what's up with all the sweet food names? I guess those big Apple cats aren't interested in desserts.
- Alex de Soto
tina, in either case, who is the fox? :)
- Hilary Talbot
no problem Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
coming up: Amazon's Android tablets.
- Michael Markman
"the crane is getting further away" - trademark this!
- cliveb
ah, Markman in da' house. Hello Sir
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i saw box.net in the inc 500
- Allen Stern
Hey, Tina. Hi.
- Michael Markman
Foursquare is delivering new features every 3-4 weeks
- Ankush Narula
foursquare has been on a roll recently
- Kevin Marks
i use foursquare for every check in - what features have they added?
- John Taschek
don't get me wrong either - i like foursquare and use it -- and box too.
- John Taschek
Most recently they added Lists
- Ankush Narula
I'm catching hydration today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's more: http://iphone.iusethis.com/app...
- Ankush Narula
Mike Aynrandington
- Ankush Narula
4sq points to using a platform for building momentum faster
- cliveb
Better late than never! Heya all.
- Nir Ben Yona
Hope Arrington invests in Seattle (funding compared to Bay Area sucks)
- cliveb
it was first and quickly being taken over by hackernews, betabeat etc
- Dan Rockwell
minute they got bought by AOL they became a mockery
- Dan Rockwell
the big question is what does calanis think? HA
- Dan Rockwell
don't most of the celebrity posters on HuffPo have similar conflicts?
- Kevin Marks
Listening in the background while babysitting Parker, 9 mos.Just gave him first popsicle. Now needs a bath
- Francine Hardaway
The Arrington VC story reminds me of FOX News giving activists/politicians a platform
- Ankush Narula
btw I seem to be unblocked by Dave Winer. I've started following him again on Twitter
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's cuz he's buddies with your hubby :-)
- Ankush Narula
or wants to be
- Ankush Narula
the value prop is fading, its had its time
- Dan Rockwell
I'm still blocked - after a year :-\
- Ankush Narula
who's got a good source or blog post to recap this discussion about arrington & tech crunch issue.
- Gregg
ahhh... well, Winer has had Steve blocked for years. Not sure about their "buddy" status
- Tina Chase Gillmor
heh - didn't realize that
- Ankush Narula
shame to see mike no longer part of Disrupt, i take thats no longer his baby now
- Dan Rockwell
Did anyone catch a glimse of Steve's GG mug?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
have a happy weekend
- Ankush Narula
a "bad" word? Are there any "bad" wordsreally?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
behind the media editorial curtain.. nice, ok so its a sham, got it, next
- Dan Rockwell
interesting that a salesforce employee who writes at tc was able to be the editor on a contributed post to tc.
- Allen Stern
some of us like it, Steve! :D
- Jerome Hughes
oh, Steve Gillmor made TC switch to Facebook comments?
- Vezquex
Major old journalism v new journalism rant
- Francine Hardaway
They're lucky Arrington didn't leave completely. They probably became part of his fund to keep him.
- Francine Hardaway
Almost every founder I know who sells his company leaves after a year
- Francine Hardaway
Arrington invests in Enterprise Web, not more Consumer Web, plz
- cliveb
+1 Francine.
- Nir Ben Yona
+ tinagillmor Are we selling those mugs to support the podcast?
- Francine Hardaway
meta-journalist
- Michael Markman
Grumpelstiltskins:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Does Robert need more Rackspace background?
- Francine Hardaway
Amazon pad?
- Max Headroom
2 amazon tabs... 7 inch and 10 inch (Android)
- Michael Markman
Mickeleh, you getting one?
- Francine Hardaway
dunno.
- Michael Markman
I predicted this, kinda http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
the new Nook beats Kindle in features: touch scfreen, more contrast. ... but I'm locked in: all my books are from Amazon.
- Michael Markman
Francine - no not for support. They are available for fans just for fun!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's already not interesting to listen to.
- Michael Markman
and audible
- Max Headroom
I use Audible exclusively and I sold my Kindle
- Francine Hardaway
Francine - forgotten how to read?
- Max Headroom
Yes, but I'm a great listener Max
- Francine Hardaway
it's the new iOS that's the story. together with iCloud.
- Michael Markman
boy that guys talks fast! ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
bizarre noises galore
- Brian Sullivan
+Francine the lady who made my Rackspace logo is also the one who designed the Twitter Fail Whale. Fun little fact.
- Robert Scoble
isn't that 4 screens? TV, desktop or laptop, tablet, and phone
- Vezquex
bingo... amazon will drive volume on the amazon tablet... attracting apps, selling media. Exactly
- Michael Markman
they're demolishing the set behind me
- Kevin Marks
Why that bloody crane has to beep so much...
- Kevin Marks
Good contribution under duress Mark!
- Max Headroom
ah come on...i want some after show
- Dale Lature
Vezquex: the October stuff won't mention Macs or laptops. I don't think. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Fun fact, indeed
- Francine Hardaway
top half / bottom half - like the strategy opening
- cliveb
oh, ok
- Vezquex
good show people. thanks to ALLLLLLL!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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Naor Mark, cliveb, Steve Poppe and 9 other people liked this
Waiting for the call!
- Robert Scoble
me too
- Kevin Marks
we're gonna start in a minute. waiting on a Scoble re-start
- Tina Chase Gillmor
please tweet the show announcement for others to join
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Getting enough tissue ready to weep with the masses over WebOS
- Jerry Schuman
while we're waiting ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Just want to say I predicted WebOS was DOA even before it went to HP
- Jerry Schuman
thought it was a 'heavy metal' effect
- Jerome Hughes
I don't think it's fair to write off WebOS yet. Most of the northern hemisphere is on vacation.
- coldbrew
I'm also chatting here: https://plus.google.com/1110910... for those who would rather do Google+. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
wow John - you're not blurry and low-res anymore!
- Ankush Narula
Scoble: You are two-timing us?
- coldbrew
WebOS jinxed, Touch it, lose $1.2Bn
- cliveb
coldbrew: yes. :-) I'm using FriendFeed 1.0 AND 2.0.
- Robert Scoble
:)
- coldbrew
WebOS IS dead, I think. :(
- Kevin Costain
HP has not sold anything yet. It seems the CEO put all the options on the table. I can link to some techtarget article from today that was actually good, if you are interested.
- coldbrew
can't seem to keep Seth's feed up. Think he's having signal problems on his end
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Google adding 3rd Seattle location nr MSFT campus http://bit.ly/onPBh5
- cliveb
HP Autonomy featuring Dr. Dre's Beatz
- Ankush Narula
Businesses need printers :)
- Kevin Costain
From some chatter on hackernews from former employees and consultants of Autonomy, it sounds like more of an enterprise sales org, rather than engineering and technology.
- coldbrew
for how long have we heard... who cares about Apple, they've only got x% of the unit shipment market share for computers?
- Jerome Hughes
Jerome: and they make almost all the profits.
- Robert Scoble
Is it a question of hardware vs. software or enterprise vs. consumer?
- coldbrew
just tuning in! hi guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
hi everyone, late again :)
- Charlie Isaacs
hello, Beebe.
- coldbrew
Hey there Moe :)
- Susan Beebe
Maybe the should co-brand webOS with Lil Wayne?
- Ankush Narula
WebOS has nodejs support built in, shame.
- cliveb
:-)
- coldbrew
the HP I have here has an intermittent headphone socket after a month
- Kevin Marks
hey @coldbrew :)
- Susan Beebe
Great
- Harold Carey
What?! who doesn't need page views?! :P
- Susan Beebe
scoble doesn't
- Kevin Marks
stop linking to him
- Kevin Marks
exactly :)
- Susan Beebe
WebOS can join Newton in device heaven. Name a single platform that has risen from its former ashes by a new owner after the brain trust left.
- Jerry Schuman
Oh goody, I am not the only one getting spam on Google+ ... augh
- Susan Beebe
Firefox, Jerry
- Kevin Marks
So is Steve upset that he's getting +mentioned on G+?
- Ankush Narula
script kiddies, Steve
- Jerry Schuman
everyone start posting kitty videos :) meow
- Charlie Isaacs
I think Steve is talking about random people on G+ who send you posts (not just mentions)... those posts wind up being like a DM.
- Susan Beebe
BINGO! same spam i am getting on G+
- Susan Beebe
I don't understand what random posts he's seeing - I don't see anything like that - only people in my Circles
- Ankush Narula
Firefox filled a need based on a sub par platform called IE. No such need exists in the tablet place Kevin.
- Jerry Schuman
Robert - people I do NOT follow are sending me crap that loads up my notifications!!
- Susan Beebe
I may have to do that too: Turn off email and then create a gmail filter to delete noise
- Susan Beebe
quiet chat today.... why?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Everyone's on vacation.
- coldbrew
About 10% of the shares I get this way are useful/relevant; 90% not. I have a stock message I share w/ people in the 90% column, that asks them nicely to stop. Most say "sure," and I don't hear from them again.
- Denise Howell
Oh Steve.... You are missing out. Seems like you are just not giving it a chance, especially if you aren't even posting....
- Ben Hanten
I am troubleshooting a Facebook problem :-o
- Charlie Isaacs
@Tina - great question!!
- Susan Beebe
Scoble loves noise :P
- Susan Beebe
are they trying to send you things for the show, denise?
- Kevin Marks
he loves what he finds in that noise
- Jerome Hughes
interested to hear your thoughts on the patent bubble Denise
- Kevin Marks
Robert is going to camp out again in line hahahhah :D
- Susan Beebe
agreed that the line can be fun
- Kevin A. Burton
Isn't this the 5th year? Like, in a row?
- coldbrew
Kevin - I just +mentioned you on G+ // I know you're not following me - can you see it in your stream?
- Ankush Narula
One cannot be surprised.
- coldbrew
+Kevin The 10% are, so I'm glad they can and do. The 90% are just sending random things.
- Denise Howell
no, but it is in notifications. Thanks Ankush for clearing that up
- Kevin Marks
but if you post to JUST me, what happens
- Kevin Marks
heh - no new information here (re:FriendFeed) - that's the problem - not the solution
- David Ashwood
ah, that was just me so it is in notifications only. thanks
- Kevin Marks
@Kevin - notification + email
- Susan Beebe
Does G+ Sparks have any filters ie chronological? I havent found any.
- Hilary Talbot
If there's beer involved I'll tailgate for anything...
- coldbrew
Right... I posted just to you
- Ankush Narula
Sparks seem very immature and limited right now... odd
- Susan Beebe
@Coldbrew - tailgate - nice analogy!
- Susan Beebe
thats my impression, too, susan.
- Hilary Talbot
oh somehow my comments were not updating....now I see an active chat
- Tina Chase Gillmor
the web is open - content is closed
- Ankush Narula
Beebe, thanks. I spend 5 days a year waiting for the Telluride Bluegrass Festival to start, every year :-)
- coldbrew
The dubstep rooms are always jam packed
- Jerry Schuman
there's a poetry room
- Kevin Marks
Aside from the handpicked, human-passion-driven curation, there are no commercials (right?). But that can't last.
- Denise Howell
I was thinking about a "Best of Gillmor Gang Outakes" room
- Jerry Schuman
haha
- Susan Beebe
Some fellow Coloradan's also just won the National Poetry Slam: http://www.cpr.org/article...
- coldbrew
And not in Canada either.
- Bruce Segal
well, if Seth can sell enough music through referrals, maybe it can last
- Kevin Marks
http://console.fm was the one...
- Kevin Marks
Marks: I think appeasing label execs with data will be more difficult, no?
- coldbrew
when are these services going to work without Flash player? (ed)
- Ankush Narula
eh? Ankush? You mean 'without flash' ?
- Kevin Marks
rule of thumb in US retail, room for three big players in each product category. “Good, better, and best”
- cliveb
yes
- Ankush Narula
Thanks Kevin, I forgot about that site
- Bruce Segal
haha.... it started with the advent of the BBS
- Jerry Schuman
I'm not exactly clear on how turntable is maneuvering around IP law, and such. Anyone care to explain?
- coldbrew
Ham Radio, before BBS :)
- Charlie Isaacs
they're using the DMCA exemption that Pandora uses, which is very fiddly
- Kevin Marks
smoke signals before ham radio
- Ankush Narula
Ok. So, safe harbor?
- coldbrew
I prefer pidgeons and usenet, personally.
- coldbrew
with tt, you're sharing another activity while conversing about it
- Jerome Hughes
the listener can't know what is coming up, or hear more than 3 songs by the same artist per hour on a channel, plus reporting rules etc. If those are all satisfied, there is a statutory rate of something like a tenth of a cent per song per listener. Right Denise?
- Kevin Marks
“Good, better, and best” - WinPad, DroidPad, iPad. (FB, Twitter, G+)
- cliveb
They are also a MediaNet client.
- Jerry Schuman
For example, Adam Bosworth is on G Plus: https://plus.google.com/1148568...
- Alex de Soto
Good info. Thanks, folks.
- coldbrew
Scoble - we're not your friends on G+ ?! hey now... ... tisk tisk! :P
- Susan Beebe
I like Scoble's wife's method :)
- coldbrew
I wish my wife would do that before she bought something, wait for me to check it out for a year :)
- Charlie Isaacs
im not super interested in Plus yet
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Glitz: If I got to buy it and install it on my machine? Yes.
- coldbrew
Not G+ adding Scobleizer or Zuck (don't want my stream swamped)
- cliveb
Check out this chart from NYT... feel bad for any tablet not IOS https://images1-focus-opensoci...
- Jerry Schuman
is youtube in hangouts somewhat like the group experience in tt though for a smaller group?
- Jerome Hughes
Steve: invite @EdChi (Norvig's G+ HCI) to guest on GG
- cliveb
oops.. bad URL
- Jerry Schuman
it's a hang-in
- Jerome Hughes
Never say never Steve! :)
- Susan Beebe
Biggest problem with Google+ - API isn't generally available - as such all innovation happens in the Google Walled Garden.
- David Ashwood
FB Messages unifies e-mail, IM, SMS, and proprietary FB messaging - pretty smart. Wait until they integrate that with Skype
- Ankush Narula
twitter still dosent know how to make money
- Abhijeet Desai
Twitter is gaining 20 million spam accounts per month
- Ankush Narula
making money is overvalued ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
google dosent need to make money with plus cos plus makes search better & search makes a lot of money
- Abhijeet Desai
I created 5 Twitter handles in the last 24 hours, mainly for testing
- Charlie Isaacs
may be in nokia dominated countries like india. windows phone 7 can make some impact if any
- Abhijeet Desai
John has a cute little silver box hanging over his head. like a video game. What happens when you smash it ?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
"the cream, the cream, it's on the shelf"
- Jerome Hughes
Thanks to BBM, iMessage, Disco/Huddle, FB Messages - the fragmentation will keep SMS winning - and AT&T will be happy to charge you up the butt for it
- Ankush Narula
More than teens - I see Blackberries everywhere in NYC
- Ankush Narula
Exactly! Turntable knows an API helps make the community
- David Ashwood
a turntable listen+chat app on phones would be great
- Kevin Marks
Moe: I disagree. Most teens I know like iPhone or iPod touch better.
- Robert Scoble
depends on which dead you mean
- Jerome Hughes
and kodak?
- Jerome Hughes
"Good, better, best” {Android, WP, iOS} Low cost, best tools, premium.
- cliveb
Robert: I agree with Moe - teens have no trouble carrying a Blackberry and iPod Touch
- Ankush Narula
Moto will be NFC for consumers & merchants & to push the Android hardware to the next gen
- David Ashwood
Ashwood: Are you suggesting Motorola Solutions (aka Symbol/ not Mobility) is going to help bring a POS to market with NFC capability?
- coldbrew
Patents???
- Ankush Narula
Interesting breaking: Apple seeking injunction against most Samsung Android phones and tablets zd.net/qrOrti
- Charlie Isaacs
Yep
- David Ashwood
Nice. Sounds interesting to me.
- coldbrew
Ankush: and Photobucket's CEO says Android is growing like a week. iOS is growing healthily. RIM? Headed down in usage. I don't see any way it gets out of this death spiral.
- Robert Scoble
It's what will bring Google wallet to the masses. NFC is a great idea - but it takes an age for the hardware to catch up. Moto shortcuts that problem
- David Ashwood
Maybe we will see a Vivotech acquisition.
- coldbrew
Exactly - carriers are one of the prime lags ;)
- David Ashwood
Robert: pretend most people don't run apps on their Blackberries - they use e-mail, SMS, BBM, web and maybe a few choice apps
- Ankush Narula
Carriers will be the backbone of wifi - virtual wifi providers like Fon will spring up - but carriers are still trying to understand what that means. Remember they don't want to be just a pipe
- David Ashwood
50% globally is Android at the mo
- David Ashwood
will they get the profit?
- Jerome Hughes
They should rename Netflix to MadMenTV just for Steve ;-)
- Ankush Narula
What's the content lockin on iCloud?
- David Ashwood
the iCloud storage goes away if you stop paying
- Kevin Marks
iCloud replaces Dropbox - where's the multi-user collaborative stuff - and the server-side apps?
- Ankush Narula
Aye Kevin - but from an App provider/integration perspective - could you put the same content on iCloud and iGoogle?
- David Ashwood
a great thing that didn't survive... Sunday Night... http://www.metafilter.com/64744...
- Jerome Hughes
I've been watching season one of MadMen
- Kevin Marks
and misunderstood at 1st as was the iPod
- Jerome Hughes
"I much prefer your earlier work"
- Jerome Hughes
these aren't failures, they are steps forward to the ultimate goal(s)
- Charlie Isaacs
GoogleTV aint slacken, something brewing for October
- cliveb
The cable companies have quite a bit of say on the software for set-tops.
- coldbrew
and to get the gamerz to differentiate
- Jerome Hughes
Has anyone heard anything about Boxee in a while?
- coldbrew
Get Laid or Get Paid. Sweet!
- cliveb
Moe1
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Whose making the Blackberry Enterprise Server replacement?
- coldbrew
that's Exchange currently, no?
- Jerome Hughes
It integrates with exchange, but there's also a separate PKI implementation.
- coldbrew
Airplay will end up more like http://oblong.com
- Kevin Marks
Google Music, lost at sea.
- cliveb
and his new beard
- Kevin Marks
Thanks, folks.
- coldbrew
Wishing I could go to DreamForce (had a ticket) just toooo dang busy! :) have fun!!
- Susan Beebe
thanks guys:
- Susan Beebe
thanks
- Charlie Isaacs
will attend DreamForce live stream.
- cliveb
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hello, is there anybody out there ;)
- Kenny
yup
- dlature
Hi everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi
- Ankush Narula
Hi all
- Kenny
Hello, hello, hello, Is there anybody in there?
- Kevin Marks
I am standing by at Kennedy Space Center
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Very cool Robert!
- Kenny
It must of been something to see the launch in person
- Kenny
Kenny it will be cool if this call works
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
hangout?
- Kevin Marks
The launch was stunning
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Facetime!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
oh dear
- Ankush Narula
Kevin, you start one and I'll join ;)
- Kenny
maybe after the show, I want to save the bandwidth for Skype
- Kevin Marks
Robert: Hope to see the Space Center in the background without Rackspace banners ;)
- Alex de Soto
Still waiting for the call
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert: Awesome!
- Nir Ben Yona
It was easier to call the Space Station! Steve?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Has anyone seen/used the Extension that lets you see and update your facebook stream in G+?
- Kenny
Please stand by. Our countdown clock has stopped!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kenny: I haven't yet
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It actually works, which surprised me, adds a tab for FB right next to the G+ stream tab
- Kenny
Still haven't gotten the call
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kenny: I have. Like it as well.
- Denise Howell
Sorry I think I am causing more troubles than usual
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Denise: I'm going to try the Twitter extension next to see how well that works
- Kenny
At least I can text so I know something is working
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kevin are you on yet?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
nope
- Kevin Marks
Kenny, Robert: There you go: Google+Facebook extension http://bit.ly/orEmrG
- Nir Ben Yona
yup, and here's the twitter one: http://crossrider.com/install...
- Kenny
Man I pimped the heck out of this and it's not streaming. Serves me right I guess
- Jon Reed
Ok, started a hangout: https://plus.google.com/1045578...
- Denise Howell
I can join the hangout until steve calls I suppose
- Kevin Marks
Denise: I don't see it - just goes to your profile :(
- Kenny
Great question for video
- Kenny
you need to be on plus to get in the hangout
- Kevin Marks
I am :(
- Kenny
nowhere near the capacity from my reasonably fast 22mbps to do anything professional
- dlature
that's my experience after the first couple of hangout talks
- dlature
Looks like a good GG. Howdy, folks.
- coldbrew
Kevin - hang until someone dropsout if you can.I lost a machine
- Tina Chase Gillmor
ah, OK
- Kevin Marks
MS probaly bought Skype specifically b/c this deal was imminent.
- coldbrew
OK; lmk so I can turn off the stream
- Kevin Marks
G+ feels follower spammy to me
- cliveb
cliveb: I'm too much of a privacy freak to get on G+ at this point, but I'm intrigued.
- coldbrew
There is less stream competition on Google +. Robert's photo was likely on his follower's main page on G+ but not on facebook.
- Kyle McNeil
Mike - He's talking about interaction - but you know that
- Kenny
Mike, such a troll type thing...listen
- dlature
Sounds like a real measure.
- Arnie Klaus
Scoble's 'engagement' is 'cos Plus has a too-tight feedback loop, leading to like cascades
- Kevin Marks
Farber loves spam :)
- coldbrew
Has Steve G used G+?
- Kenny
Gillmor uses chatter...
- coldbrew
percent of engagement Robert metnions is interesting
- dlature
Scoble's engagement is persuasion driven attract to Rack Space
- cliveb
the friendfeed noise is the same as the plus noise
- Kevin Marks
what hapens re: noise when PLus is open to all?
- dlature
I remember sitting in AP chem in '89 and writing every ph # I knew down on a piece of paper. There were 73 phone #s I knew. Now I know 4 [sorry fr the random factoid, but those were "friends"].
- coldbrew
Arrington thinks I can be replaced by Google+ hangout...Figures ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
agreed Circles nailed categorization
- cliveb
the relative engagement in Google+ is also due to the novelty of the platform -I think in a huge way-. Scoble is a big "strange attractor" in this new channel so the tendency to comment/share is bigger now, don't you think?
- david medina
could replace your hardware with it, maybe
- Kevin Marks
medina: indeed.
- coldbrew
no yet
- Kenny
mikogo.com has free screen sharing
- Jerome Hughes
screen sharing could come via a browser extension.
- coldbrew
Wait for the G+ APIs
- coldbrew
i think Google+ will augment Twitter, tweets will be selectively filtered and pushed to Google+
- Charlie Isaacs
As a non-public persona, I disagree. Twitter should be a separate entity, where one can freely express their ideas w/o identifying info.
- coldbrew
Dan is sinking into the ground. Tip up Dan!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
one connection to a friend thismorning, One on one, Skype connection performed better than Hangout
- dlature
The deciding factor will be how much data is pushed there and "stored" there (Google+)
- Charlie Isaacs
Twitter, Google melding now makes some intuitive sense to me (post G+); didn't before.
- Denise Howell
David - I do agree, but think that the stream filtering is a major step towards keeping social media users exposed to what they are interested in. This innovation should increase the level of engagement over facebook and twitter.
- Kyle McNeil
putting the Quaint in Acquaintance...
- Kevin Marks
like they've run Blogger successfully
- Kevin Marks
How much $$$ for twitter?
- Kenny
Marks: I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. Please clarify.
- coldbrew
Kevin: ditto; guessing sarcasm. ;)
- Denise Howell
Twitter's estimated valuation to be $8 billion to $10 billion
- Abhijeet Desai
Blogger is pretty successful 60 million + active users
- Kevin Marks
Marks; Agreed. However, that was not the question. No offense :).
- coldbrew
Could Viacom pay their CEO more?
- coldbrew
where is robert going ??
- Abhijeet Desai
HAHA - now the rumor starts
- Kenny
Dan's chin is mia, still glad to see part of him
- Jerome Hughes
I think @arrington hacked @scobleizer 's voice mail and knows Rackspace rumors
- Charlie Isaacs
people want sex, drugs, rock and roll, + murder
- Charlie Isaacs
LOL
- Abhijeet Desai
mike's sounding a bit SJ > JS ish... sugar water?
- Jerome Hughes
Through the "colorado grape vine," my understanding is that Parker and Stone are taking their talents out of viacom's grasp (i.e. Viacom currently distributes South Park).
- coldbrew
Charlie Isaacs - haha!
- cliveb
at @techcrunch isn't it boring just talking about how Twitter, Facebook and Apple will dominate forever?
- Charlie Isaacs
what the hell happened to this show
- Kenny
"at @" ? Is that some convention I'm not familiar with?
- coldbrew
sorry, twitter handle
- Charlie Isaacs
My point, I suppose, was to pick a convention.
- coldbrew
What's the Arrington Aol countdown? 803 days?
- coldbrew
that's what they used to say when they found out you were from Chicago - at-@-at-@ (machine gun noises) ~ MJ changed that
- Jerome Hughes
techcrunch needs a techcrunch asia - and what's happening in the developing world
- Michael Roberts
Friendster
- Kevin Marks
gotta do that 1st!
- Jerome Hughes
difference of opinion is good!
- Jerome Hughes
Circles on Facebook happened last week http://circlehack.com
- Kevin Marks
any one gonna be on hangout now ??
- Abhijeet Desai
is AOL still in business? do I still need a 300 baud modem to connect?
- Charlie Isaacs
"plus a month"? Someone's counting something.
- coldbrew
join the hangout guys to talk tech https://talkgadget.google.com/hangout...
- Abhijeet Desai
iPad Yachting apps?
- Kevin Marks
we never see Mike Arrington out and about in Sea-at-le
- cliveb
Desai: I've never had a camera attached to my machine, but I'm sure others might appreciate that.
- coldbrew
I always get my info from floridians...
- coldbrew
HA!
- Kenny
Wow, can we please cool the ad hominems?
- coldbrew
They're allowed to convict on circumstantial evidence (I think juries get confused about that); but they do have to be convinced that it's "clear and convincing" the person did the crime.
- Denise Howell
sorry, yes "beyond a reasonable doubt;" "clear and convincing's" a lower std.
- Denise Howell
Torvalds for president ;)
- coldbrew
differences of opinion are good!
- Jerome Hughes
Oh, he caused the deficit or presdied over the derivative scandals and crime? He caused that? Geez
- dlature
Why tax me...I earned my money
- Kenny
If you make a lot of money... hire people!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
instead .001% voted themselves all the money
- Kevin Marks
thank you Shrub for all the "success" you've wrought!
- Jerome Hughes
cool NASA shots on Scobleizer's Tumblr http://scobleizer.tumblr.com/
- cliveb
it's a REPUBLIC . MIke. That means COMMUNITY. It doesn't exit for the rich to control EVEREYBODY
- dlature
I drove to the tip of Baja in April of '03 (~Iraq Invasion), sold my truck, and boated/ hitchhiked to Bolivia, and then I chickened out and came home to the US after one year of subsistence farming.
- coldbrew
and get around obstruction to set such rules
- Jerome Hughes
you got it Jerome.
- dlature
the bankers should serve as much jail time as murderers like in the Casey Anthony trial
- Charlie Isaacs
how is the US in great shape? compared to Europe? isn't 1 in 4 houses in the US. near foreclosure?
- Michael Roberts
that was supposed to be funny btw
- Charlie Isaacs
Robert what happens to Kennedy Space center - Disney East?
- cliveb
So Arrington wants more rules - that takes enforcement - that takes more government...
- mal
Mike - you should run!
- Kenny
Tina, you got them to switch sides! :D
- Jerome Hughes
mal: that's not a fair characterization.
- coldbrew
you'll pay more in Canada?
- Michael Roberts
Canada/Belgium can be economically blocked. And French people don't care to move to Belgium. I say let's tax Michael Arrington more.
- Charbax
coldbrew: why not?
- mal
I will let him answer that, before I attempt to do so.
- coldbrew
Warren Buffett: I could end the deficit in 5 minutes. http://bit.ly/oaBXOc
- cliveb
we talked about the Casey Anthony Trial and Politics. Can we talk about my root canal next?
- Charlie Isaacs
regarding taxes, if there is a tax on income that's not going to work wealthy people just reduce their income to 0...
- mal
Jerome LOL
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Charbax: Are you a US citizen? I thought you live in CA?
- coldbrew
therapy!
- Jerome Hughes
New Tricaster = G+ Hangout
- Kenny
Send a new Tricaster or we replace you with a Hangout
- Kevin Marks
any one free join the hangout https://talkgadget.google.com/hangout...
- Abhijeet Desai
Google+ Hangouts are better than a tricaster.
- Charbax
RAX trading at $45.11. Off its 52 week high of $46.49.
- coldbrew
sorry Kevin... I lost a machine as we were going on the air and couldn't get it back up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I can be the one who didn't this week
- Kevin Marks
CRM trading at $156.69. Off its 52 week high of $160.02.
- coldbrew
Machine blew Ithink
- Tina Chase Gillmor
No idea how Steve Gillmor's gonna recap this episode for Techcrunch.
- cliveb
Kyle, I was trying to get some reasons for the huge difference between the both platforms (in the Scoble post) --but in any case I totally agree with you about the filtering (and the UI overall, great execution). I think this small-but-important things will give G+ a great advantage over other platforms. Really impressive.
- david medina
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12:58 PM. Guess we start in about 15-20 min.? :-)
- Ralph Henson
is there a lag?
- Kevin Marks
I have really missed this.
- Francine Hardaway
I see nothing
- Francine Hardaway
lag? Is that an British term?
- Ralph Henson
Heh. Waiting for the phone call. It's already 1:02. Ralph: we usually get started at about 1:10.
- Robert Scoble
well, in British English it means a convict more than it means a delay
- Kevin Marks
He can't call. nobody knows your phone number. :-)
- Ralph Henson
standby. we are aboutto make ithappen
- Tina Chase Gillmor
OK so there mre quite a few 'lags' here!
- Ralph Henson
I almost gave up LOL
- Francine Hardaway
Heh. I'm standing by on Skype too, which is how we do this.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert. Got a ticket to the Tech Crunch party, which this year is at AOL!
- Francine Hardaway
having a minor tech delay. almost there
- Tina Chase Gillmor
there's the stream!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine: I thought just the CrunchUp was at AOL.
- Robert Scoble
aaah. Next time I will read before clicking. Regardless I have a ticket. and for WordCamp SF. SO up there July and August
- Francine Hardaway
They are connecting us now.
- Robert Scoble
So, Ralph's guess of about 15-minute delay is probably accurate. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
No biggie, we're used to it if we are TWiT fans. hehehehehehhehe
- Stephen Pickering
I'll be on TWiT on Sunday too, but everytime I do that Gillmor says I'm fired so please don't tell him, OK? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
hahahhahhahahahahahhha
- Stephen Pickering
I will keep it a secret.
- Francine Hardaway
I heard that Robert!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
:-)
- Robert Scoble
But I didn't tell
- Francine Hardaway
Mottled or dappled rather than motley here
- Kevin Marks
Mötley Crüe is an LA Band.
- Alex de Soto
Metallica is playing at Salesforce's event. Can't wait!
- Robert Scoble
more parties = good :D
- Jerome Hughes
like having both buying and selling realtors
- Kevin Marks
or husband's and wife's divorce attorneys
- Jerome Hughes
geez Steve is orange today. We have to revamp the lighting in here!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I wish skype would surface OS X's white balance controls dialog. I spent some time on that...
- Kevin Marks
this isn't a test?? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
bleaugh at viral loops and addiction
- Kevin Marks
+1 Kevin. I am addicted to nothing
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: you are addicted to life.
- Robert Scoble
That is too true
- Francine Hardaway
We're gonna need Gigabit Internet before Web Centric apps become interesting and that will eventually happen but may be 10 years
- Stephen Pickering
Wow. Google AdWords is advertising on this Stream
- Francine Hardaway
that their customers don't want
- Jerome Hughes
For instance imagine a web centric Logic where I could jam with others around the world and the experience was as good as the desktop app
- Stephen Pickering
Steve's right
- Francine Hardaway
HTML5 cough? I haven't seen that extension to the spec
- Kevin Marks
With Apps there is less friction. For instance Photoshop is too intimidating but Instagram and Camera+ are cheap, effective, and fun!
- Stephen Pickering
I bet everyone has all their bases covered just in case
- Francine Hardaway
isn't Steve always right? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Or thinks he is
- Francine Hardaway
Steve is opaque enough to be interpreted as right after the fact?
- Kevin Marks
Others have said that. Oh right, like the Bible! Make him feel good
- Francine Hardaway
lots more friction
- Jerome Hughes
good point Robert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Nothing has ever been more frictionless than the App store
- Francine Hardaway
Less frictionful?
- Francine Hardaway
iOS users have more $$$
- Alex de Soto
Because "good" android apps are hard to come by.
- Darren Bounds
The bottom of the pyramid is on Android?
- Francine Hardaway
Google has conditioned us not to pay for stuff, Apple has conditioned us to pay for stuff.
- Stephen Pickering
+1 @Stephen
- Naor Mark
Google gets us to pay for stuff from people who pay them
- Jerome Hughes
Thanks @Naor ! :D
- Stephen Pickering
and sometimes that's much bigger stuff with higher $
- Jerome Hughes
6/30 deadline on the in-app purchase thing; grabbing links -
- Denise Howell
Gray, the studio cat, is crying to get back in. Usually I banish him while we record. He doesn't lke that.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Safari is an app! heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Safari share is shrinking
- Kevin Marks
on the phone obviously its apps, but on tablet with more real estate browsing may at least be equal
- Stephen Pickering
is webkit share shrinking?
- Jerome Hughes
+1 Stephen
- Francine Hardaway
Webkit is growing, largely due to Chrome.
- Darren Bounds
Apple has the richest users...
- Kevin Marks
is Apple selling Safari?
- Jerome Hughes
On the iPad I use the browser more
- Francine Hardaway
I do what Phil does
- Francine Hardaway
The most common web browsers and browser versions today -- http://royal.pingdom.com/2011...
- Darren Bounds
But what difference does it make if you are using Facebook through an app or the web?
- Stephen Pickering
none
- Francine Hardaway
there's more utility on the web
- Jerome Hughes
in #FB, that is
- Jerome Hughes
I watched all of Season 5 of Big Love on the iPad. Not with Airplay
- Francine Hardaway
Adult?
- Darren Bounds
I prefer watching movies on iPad to TV. I'm more engrossed in it, more intimate
- Stephen Pickering
Robert watches porn on his IPad. Pass it on:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Darren: R rated or higher. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Kevin's natural light is getting weird
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine, do I have to get the video for you that sings "the Internet is for porn?"
- Robert Scoble
Both are growing and will continue to grow
- Stephen Pickering
thanks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Breaking out my Gillmor translation device.
- Darren Bounds
Is it the internet, or apps, Robert? LOL
- Francine Hardaway
The advantage of the web is the Cloud, the advantage of native is speed and processing power, both have their + and - and both will continue to grow
- Stephen Pickering
And then how will I watch this live without Flash?
- Francine Hardaway
I carry a a big bag with me always now so I can carry my ipad always
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can't enjoy turntable without flash either
- Stephen Pickering
If/when Android becomes as or more monetizable than iOS and HTML5 mobile experiences continue improve at the same rate they are now, there shouldn't be much reason to build native applications in 1-2 years.
- Darren Bounds
Francine: hopefully soon. Ustream sucks and forces use of a specific workflow. Since Gillmor uses a Tricaster it is flash only.
- Robert Scoble
Darren: which is why I focus mostly on distribution.
- Robert Scoble
In business distribution is everything
- Stephen Pickering
Exactly. Which is why apps are winning.
- Robert Scoble
Or, I should say, growing faster. Websites still have Google.
- Robert Scoble
someone get a lighting expert to call me!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
But when I use Google it usually brings me temporarily to websites. Apps are for things I want a permanent relationship with.
- Robert Scoble
Shouldn't there be a dial you can turn to fix this TIna:-)
- Francine Hardaway
And that's why to add them to your home scree,
- Francine Hardaway
lens flare is cool
- Kevin Marks
But with the web you get better syncing so to speak. For instance my weight loss app on iPhone and iPad don't sync but if they were web based...
- Stephen Pickering
Waiting for HTML5
- Francine Hardaway
Stephen: mine do. Instagram syncs with the web just fine.
- Robert Scoble
apple concedes web apps for icloud: http://techcrunch.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: lots of weight loss apps sync to other places. If they don't, they should be pushed to. But true webapps can't talk to the GPS inside the phone.
- Robert Scoble
The Wells Fargo app is very limited
- Francine Hardaway
Because Instagram uses the web as its back end and places the data there
- Stephen Pickering
Web (html) apps need to make sure that they have cool icon images built in to their code. Easy to do for iOS. Easy in-app monetization is harder to do but not impossible. And NFC will bring app impulse buy behaviors to retailers and physical goods. WIth each buy, you could give consumer option to "drop" an app on the buyers' mobile device. Does not matter if it's native or not.
- Alex de Soto
So if the Apple / Android app store supported the installation of mobile web apps to the desktop the issue would go away?
- Darren Bounds
Light. Easy to choose.Cheap or fee
- Francine Hardaway
offline issues for web apps are still tricky: http://www.toolness.com/wp...
- Kevin Marks
I like the idea of a Chrome Webstore-like service for Android and/or iOS.
- Darren Bounds
the term is "average" people
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Node.js has nothing to do with this arguement.
- Darren Bounds
Robert and Steve assuming that normal people have the device density that we do... is a bit much
- Kevin Marks
I would have thought we would have a "light" show today... but not so.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
We're talking about alternate ways to render and interact with information on a mobile device. Node JS is an application server.
- Darren Bounds
apart from the sunlight in the lens form me, you mean?
- Kevin Marks
what's the app?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Phil means the node.js support for socket.io I think
- Kevin Marks
The whole reason for native apps initially was for user experience on a small real estate screen
- Stephen Pickering
Wow. I agree with Steve. #firsttimeforeverything
- Darren Bounds
Kevin: yup, and I just visited Nowjs yesterday and they are building an interesting real-time system for web.
- Robert Scoble
thanks for the link Robert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm using the web to watch this show
- Stephen Pickering
Average users
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Cheaper
- Francine Hardaway
The Androids phones are often cheaper
- Francine Hardaway
I was waiting for that, Tina :)
- Hilary Talbot
;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
They're looking at the rest of the World where Windows brand is more popular and respected than within the Geek community in America and the UK
- Stephen Pickering
Having spent the last week in the UK, Apple is definitely running away with the market here. Many Android devices but most users I've spoken with would rather have an iPhone.
- Darren Bounds
In UK alone, Google’s Android Operating System accounts for 44.9% of the whole smartphone market. Having grown steadily from last year’s 37.4%, the Android OS gained 8.3% in market share as opposed to Apple’s iOS which showed a decline of 13.3% from 2010′s 32.9% to this year’s 19.6%. Being so, iOS remained Android’s close contender as it holds the number three spot with RIM’s BlackBerry...
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- Kevin Marks
let me find newer ones, but i bet iOS is displacing blackberry
- Kevin Marks
i just downloaded a london pocket guide for one trip
- Francine Hardaway
what?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Totally agree that Apple is the best, but must have a ton of respect for Google getting in early enough to be a respectable competition. Just that act alone shows the competitive nimbleness of Google to me, the fact that they executed on Android
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: That's interesting. I definitely see an Android majority but most people seem to want an iPhone. Why they don't buy one, I'm not sure. Cost? Carrier?
- Darren Bounds
Darren: answer to why people choose Android over iPhones: http://www.quora.com/Android...?
- Robert Scoble
Wow, tricky switching today...lots of it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert: Specifically here in the UK.
- Darren Bounds
Pottermore books work on Kindle and Ipad etc
- David Lloyd
Robert: Yes, I've read your Quora response. I think it's quite accurate.
- Darren Bounds
Darren: it might be carrier focused. Also, use of phones in UK culture is quite different than here. The newspapers put texting numbers on top of front page there, for instance. I've never seen that here. So, there's a very strong texting culture.
- Robert Scoble
pottermore is ePub, right?
- Kevin Marks
pottermore has been touted as working on all ereaders and tablets so yes probablyepub
- David Lloyd
That's one Android Advantage the 5" screens
- Stephen Pickering
people in restaurants dont talk to each other they just play on their phones!
- David Lloyd
and the 7" ones
- Kevin Marks
Form factor choice
- Stephen Pickering
Similar experience for much less money
- David Lloyd
yes
- Francine Hardaway
Blackberry users liek their keyboards
- Kevin Marks
Damn, I could tear some Logic up on that sucker!
- Stephen Pickering
I've got one down from that - the quad-core 15, 12 gigs RAM. Hanging onto the MBP for travel, but I bet I won't open it much.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
someone has people like mine
- Francine Hardaway
almost everyone hates it
- Francine Hardaway
Cute!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
multicam is needed for live cutting
- Kevin Marks
?
- Darren Bounds
yaaaaaaay
- Francine Hardaway
Congratulations! Looks like you had lots of viewers today.
- Alex de Soto
Peace, out
- Stephen Pickering
Great show all, vintage Gang - thanks!
- Denise Howell
Thanks to everyone... especially the chat gang!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks everyone!
- Robert Scoble
whats that
- insulation
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who's on today?
- dlature
Hmmm, dunno
- Stephen Pickering
I am. A few more minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Hanging out in Gillmor's kitchen.
- Robert Scoble
Visited two companies this morning, Spigit and Path.
- Robert Scoble
Ah yeah saw your 360 of Path offices very cool
- Stephen Pickering
Having dinner with the Gilmor Gang. Howdy!
- Nir Ben Yona
Dinner? Lunch!
- Robert Scoble
Oh, you in Israel?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Israel, you know :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Howdy! I want to come back, had one of the best meals of my life in Tel Aviv.
- Robert Scoble
Nir Ben, what do you do there?
- Stephen Pickering
The entire tech community is waiting for you, Robert.
- Nir Ben Yona
I am too.
- Kevin Marks
Just blipped "It's the End of the World as We Know it"
- Stephen Pickering
Heh. I'm going to Maker Faire on Sunday and Stanford on Saturday.
- Robert Scoble
Stepen, i'm working in a Tel Aviv startup that develops a cloud security solution.
- Nir Ben Yona
This was something just tweeted to me by someone that I think is a very cool gesture by a ballplayer for one of his fans via Twitter http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb...
- dlature
Hi all.
- Aron Michalski
Ah, cool, Nir Ben. I'm invested in a company called EZchip (EZCH) that's located in Israel. So much great tech in Israel
- Stephen Pickering
One thought: hell for me is hanging out forever with people who believe in crap like the rapture. So, who is going to heaven?
- Robert Scoble
Stephen, true. The startup scene in Tel Aviv area is HOT at the moment.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, you've been eating in Abraxas North.
- Nir Ben Yona
hot as always :)
- Naor Mark
Robert, I grew up with a lot of that...not my parents, but lots of church people ...bemuses me
- dlature
Ironic, wearing my Ramat Gan Stadium T-Shirt today...
- Aron Michalski
LinkedIn IPO? CRM earnings? Crazy stuff...
- coldbrew
and when i'll be able to watch the G.Gang on my iphone?
- Naor Mark
The Russian "Facebook" is gonna IPO on the NASDAQ
- Stephen Pickering
You can watch via the ustream app, no?
- coldbrew
Nir: yeah, Abraxas North is where I had the best meal.
- Robert Scoble
Vkontakte? well, Renren did
- Kevin Marks
nope.. "this content is not available for your device"
- Naor Mark
Naor: we're working on it!
- Robert Scoble
I can't remember the name. Saw it on CNBC. They said it's already subscribed to a market cap of 1 billion
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: Who's underwriting?
- coldbrew
The radius is expanded to 100 yards!
- Stephen Pickering
Coldbrew Dang, can't remember
- Stephen Pickering
I think Ustream sucks.
- Robert Scoble
I wish YouTube would give us live.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: what's better?
- coldbrew
Is Justin any better as far as the iPad is concerned?
- Stephen Pickering
great, it's 11pm here, will be much better then sitting near m mac
- Naor Mark
Stephen: I don't think so.
- Robert Scoble
ask Colleen nicely
- Kevin Marks
LNKD latest $93.09, Mkt Cap 8.80B
- Dave Martin
Benioff is a master on the earnings calls. The way he handles the analysts is a lesson of itself. Check out the Q&A transcript: http://seekingalpha.com/article...
- coldbrew
Robert: I emailed you early this week but I guess you were way too busy with your schedule.
- Nir Ben Yona
How much are LNKD's revs?
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: I think $400M revs, $15M profit.
- coldbrew
Hi Naor :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir, Sorry, I'm booked up until August.
- Robert Scoble
Public really helps a LinkedIn because of the publicity
- Stephen Pickering
Hi :) didn't know about the startup .. good luck
- Naor Mark
Thinking of them as exits does not respect the users, let alone potential users.
- Aron Michalski
My mom called me yesterday saying she signed up for linkedin! and she's 70! all because I think the publicity of the IPO
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: depends on float size of FB
- Dave Martin
Robert, it's ok we're in contact with Lew Moorman.
- Nir Ben Yona
Pickering: LNKD's revenue is primarily from corporate recruiting budgets, not end users or advertising.
- coldbrew
valuation is too high, they'll have to work hard to keep their value during next Q's
- Naor Mark
Going pubic or being bought out shouldn't mean the Friendfeeding of a service; It should be the boost to the next level, not the buying of a boat for someone who doesn't care about you.
- Aron Michalski
Ah, IC, still it gives them exposure that Facebook really doesn't need
- Stephen Pickering
Groupon 2011 revenues said to be pacing at 3-4B, 70% operatng margins
- Dave Martin
Coldbrew is right. LNKD has a good mix of revenue sources from corporate including biz subscriptions and advertising.
- Alex de Soto
not just the bottles - taking water from one area and moving it elsewhere - big problem with Nestle and Michigan
- Xenophrenia
Groupon debuted their location-based mobile product this week. Groupon Now! Beta live in Chicago
- Dave Martin
That's it, I'm buying Sodastream which is an Israeli company also :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Pandora is also on the block.
- coldbrew
Rovio going public?
- Kevin Marks
right, Xeno... it's the oil burned to transport water in trucks instead of through pipes
- Jerome Hughes
Stephen : the business of bubbles :)
- Naor Mark
It's a lot of issues ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Naor hahahahhahaha, saves the environment too! heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
And I missed you here at Spigit, Robert - dang. Looks like you had a good visit with Paul.
- Hutch Carpenter
it's not just the trucks - it's literally taking the water from Lake Michigan and transporting it elsewhere
- Xenophrenia
8 lbs per gallon
- Jerome Hughes
That's crazy. The Government is telling Google how to run their search engine? Crazy.
- Stephen Pickering
There's a website - there's a problem in California too - http://stopnestlewaters.org/about ... okay .. I'll stop now ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Is Playboy a magazine?
- Alex de Soto
and people who read
- dlature
playboy could do good "up fronts"...sorry
- dlature
What's up with the 2 week delay on The Killing for On Demand?
- Aron Michalski
South Park looks like it's in its last season and the creators may go on to do something direct to the web (that's all I know about TV shows :).
- coldbrew
I'm trying to stay out of the shot and having
- Tina Chase Gillmor
limited success
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, you should wave to your friends. Unprofessional but personal... ;-)
- Aron Michalski
HBO GO is going to let subscribers watch some episodes in advance of "broadcast."
- Alex de Soto
Please let it be Larry David!
- Stephen Pickering
i'll try to sneak a wave in Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thing I hate about GO idea isyou have to be HBO subscriber. I want to buy certain shows (like "Real Time" and not much else)
- dlature
It's like Paul Simon letting that girl play his guitar...
- Aron Michalski
So, some BD, rather than just job search?
- coldbrew
Stephen: Game of Thrones
- Alex de Soto
I want HBO to allow subscriptions without requiring cable - I have cable internet - should be enough ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia - exactly
- dlature
Hypothetically, what if you gave a friend your HBO/Dish credentials, could they then watch GO?
- Stephen Pickering
X- that $14 a month just for them is the key...
- Aron Michalski
for me, BD on linkedin is happening for several years, much more then on other platforms
- Naor Mark
I can afford $14 over $150 (because I'm NOT giving up my internet) ... ;-)
- Xenophrenia
HBO would cost me a additional 50 bucks a month due to the package BS
- dlature
Won't bet against Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn founder. Early funder of Facebook, Zynga others.
- Dave Martin
Every time I try to reprice my bundle it lkeeps getting closer to $200 a month; I just wish that would follow me world wide. Alas, they all want a bite.
- Aron Michalski
Reid is very smart. I once flew home in a private plane with him, great times.
- Robert Scoble
I'm just afraid of Facebook's "Silo" which seems to be getting thicker and not thinner
- dlature
dlature: we're definitely locked into Zuck's garden.
- Robert Scoble
You can post tweets selectively to LinkedIn by inserting #in in your post (after you set permission to connect with Twitter on the LinkedIn account).
- Alex de Soto
Robert: Reid was also one of the first believers to put money into Groupon
- Dave Martin
Alex: yup, I just shoved all my tweets over there and no one complained.
- Robert Scoble
yep, agree wholeheartedly Robert
- dlature
Alex: yes, doing so sometimes, but mainly around business context, not personal
- Naor Mark
Right you are Naor.
- Alex de Soto
btw, in more traditional sectors i see much more linkedin usage then facebook
- Naor Mark
Facebook is like weeds ... they keep popping up everywhere and I can't get rid of them ;-)
- Xenophrenia
As of today's market close, Reid Hoffman is officially a billionaire (on paper)
- Dave Martin
I love the idea of how much more great Angel investing Reid Hoffman can do now... he's backed so many good companies
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: yup, except there's the mythical man month problem there.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: agreed, he's got great instincts.
- Dave Martin
Also, there aren't an increasing supply of great companies.
- Robert Scoble
a fake profile is not the issue, it's the social graph around it
- Naor Mark
My wife has fallen for the fake Hugh Laurie on Twitter. Ugh!
- Alex de Soto
I know a lot of kids who use 'fake' ID's ... they are real people using pseudonyms
- Xenophrenia
If you follow people you know, you're ok. If you follow people you don't, buyer beware.
- Aron Michalski
Don't you guys find the end of unlimited mobile data plans disturbing?
- Dave Martin
That explains something.
- Aron Michalski
Unlimited is only a thing you find in the US.
- Aron Michalski
Everywhere else is capped with healthy overage charges.
- Aron Michalski
Dave: I do, but funny enough I never hit the limits yet.
- Robert Scoble
http://connectedhq.com is interesting
- Kevin Marks
Breaking: Greg Pass stepped down at Twitter
- Dave Martin
fast is better ... ? ... useless - tablets didn't take off until Apple did - does that make tablets useless?
- Xenophrenia
It literally looks like my iPad made it out of Chengdu one shift before the accident...
- Aron Michalski
tablets were around for a LONG time before Ipad showed up ... just because something doesn't 'take off' doesn't mean it's useless
- Xenophrenia
I see what Glillmor means, but that is a bit harsh.
- coldbrew
Aron: cool!
- Robert Scoble
the quality that Facebook and Twitter have is cohesiveness ... but they are also traps into a system that is very hard to 'get out of' pretty much because of inertia of numbers
- Xenophrenia
Bravos, Steve, Tina and gang. Great show.
- Dave Martin
I won't be in NY.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
Thanks for the show, seeya.
- coldbrew
thnx guys
- Naor Mark
thanks everyone. Aron you missed my wave.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I did miss it; I suck.
- Aron Michalski
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can you see me on skype? I got a phonecall
- Kevin Marks
I'm waiting for the SkypeCall. Hopefully my wifi holds up.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone hear from Gillmor yet? Tina oh Tina, where art thou?
- Robert Scoble
Hi everybody!
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Francine!
- Robert Scoble
Hi Francine.
- Aron Michalski
Where are you where the wifi won't hold up?
- Francine Hardaway
I'm sitting in the middle of USVP on Sand Hill Road.
- Robert Scoble
It looks like it's doing OK now. Twitter and FriendFeed are streaming in fine.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I'm going to an Apple store in Austin to get an iPad2, but not the downtown one
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Aronski, I guess you are not touring lately
- Francine Hardaway
It's the quiet season; I get back on the bird in April.
- Aron Michalski
Just got the call, so we' should be on now...
- Robert Scoble
Sweet! Doc is here...
- Francine Hardaway
it's spelled John Borthwick, but it's pronounced Throat WObbler Mangrove
- Kevin Marks
there's a lot of SKUs this time. 9 I count. 16, 32, 64 for Wifi. Same for 3G but x2 (GSM and CDMA). Plus they are still selling the old units..
- Jamie
Apps are definitely a deal breaker for me, personally. That said, we can't ignore these facts: 10 Reasons Why The Motorola Xoom Beats The iPad 2 http://bit.ly/gLfgpv
- Nir Ben Yona
Can you take a photo with the iPad 2??
- Ward Mundy
The Air is light enough to use as a portable cam
- Kevin Marks
said the connector was good for 1080p
- Jerome Hughes
bingo Doc.
- Aron Michalski
Yes, you can take a photo. But the camera is not all that good.
- Robert Scoble
I'm conflicted, but I want to get one anyway.
- Francine Hardaway
Even Hillary Clinton agrees
- Jim Posner
You can read about the iPad 2 camera in this post: http://bit.ly/dYpwvn
- Nir Ben Yona
narrowcasting=real name required.
- Aron Michalski
I wonder if Doc has any comments re Monitor Consulting based at Harvard that took Libyan money to burnish the image of Gaddafi. Clay Shirky has been caught up in this as well.
- Jim Posner
What's Windows? Old story, hardly news.
- Michael Krigsman
All my documents are in the cloud. This is irrelevant
- Francine Hardaway
Interesting article in Rolling Stone about the entertainers who took money from Gaddafi as well.
- Aron Michalski
Why would MS want to support iOS?
- Michael Krigsman
MS ship OneNote and Messenger on iOS
- Kevin Marks
not that I can remember my Windows Live ID to try it
- Kevin Marks
But today's MS doesn't compete on the bleeding edge
- Michael Krigsman
Took him 10 years to port Mac OS as Windows.
- Aron Michalski
Redmond fighting to restart developer interest in Sharepoint http://www.sharepointsaturday.org/
- cliveb
The problem is not bleeding edge or not -- it's quality of design!
- Michael Krigsman
The design sensibilities of the Mac create ease of use, that's the draw for so many new Mac users.
- Michael Krigsman
mixing is a tactile experience; touch is a major improvement for Garage Band.
- Aron Michalski
The leak of Remond talent to Kirkland turning to a stream
- cliveb
Robert, that VMware product you describe is fascinating!
- Michael Krigsman
the difference is that on the iPad you can create the feel of an instrument
- Kevin Marks
Steve, you are living in a future ivory tower that is far removed from the life of most of us ordinary users
- Michael Krigsman
The 5th Beatle can be the mixer, directing the sound into a cohesive view.
- Aron Michalski
GarageBand is awesome, but I really hope they'll have MIDI input somehow... otherwise, it doesn't make sense to play on the screen.
- Nir Ben Yona
you mean Midi output, Nir?
- Kevin Marks
MS was concerned about Linux going back to the 1997 timeframe
- Michael Krigsman
Kevin: sorta. Something that will help connecting a Midi Controller.
- Nir Ben Yona
In and out.
- Aron Michalski
Not just MS either. I feel less compelled to invest in full Adobe Creative Suites.
- Alex de Soto
conversation about iOS and iTunes begs the question ... what about the 'protesters' at the Apple event the other day ??
- studentforce
Canadian government cabinet ministers all have government issued iPads.
- Brian Sullivan
funny .... my wife was watching a Xoom commercial yesterday and said ... "take a look at the Motorola iPad" its like calling a tissue a "kleenex'
- studentforce
http://www.computerworld.com/s... I liked this article
- Kevin Marks
Hey! I have the 3GS still!!!
- Alex de Soto
2.5G here
- Jerome Hughes
I sold my 3G the day before the iPad2 announcement. Planning to buy a new one next week.
- Michael Krigsman
With all that money in the bank, what's keeping Apple from going in the cellphone provider business?
- Ward Mundy
Why waste money on ATT/Verizon 3G? I use my Android personal hotspot.
- Michael Krigsman
Rumors Win 8 - further ahead on Tablet than letting on http://bit.ly/hA1e7d
- cliveb
Not sure iPad is really a text production platform though: http://damnyouautocorrect.com/6101...
- Kevin Marks
finally an interface the granola boxers of the 60's can throw some shapes with.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin: with a Bluetooth keyboard? Absolutely!
- Robert Scoble
I have trouble blogging on the iPad. But I don't use the Bluetooth keyboard
- Francine Hardaway
BMW had a L7
- Jerome Hughes
Windows L8 even sounds great.
- Ward Mundy
not sure if I get Ditto yet.
- Jamie
Different circles - the last 4 people whose machines I jumped on had IE6 :-p
- Denise Howell
Jamie: the UI needs a little bit more work to expose what's interesting there.
- Robert Scoble
ditto needs an iPhone and Facebook...
- Kevin Marks
Denise: I only talk to the tip of the spear. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I hope you fixed that for them, Denise
- Kevin Marks
The Xfinity apps from Comcast are pretty good.
- Alex de Soto
I have an iPhone and Facebook. What I need are friends :)
- Jamie
Kevin: there are lots of computers in conference rooms, lobbies, etc that aren't upgradeable by users and no one cares about them to upgrade them.
- Robert Scoble
It's becoming one channel, with multiple windows.
- Aron Michalski
Someone should caption you with your (er) hand up Robert: "Talk to the Tip!" Re fixing, yes, immediately.
- Denise Howell
Imagine; we've reached the point where we want less channels.
- Aron Michalski
My gogoinflight+iPad experience last week didn't work, the iPad choked on that connection. Also the hotel's later. Annoying; was glad I had the Air along too. (The good news is both fit comfortably in a purse.)
- Denise Howell
I know, Denise. I have both and take them both, too. But that's a problem
- Francine Hardaway
They are protecting the interests of the corporation they are part of.
- Aron Michalski
the chap gave me a channel list, and I had no idea which show is on which channel, as I use a DVR
- Kevin Marks
The network blocking/non-neutrality actions of the providers will be the big issue.
- Aron Michalski
Basic TV and Fat pipe for Google TV is what I have.
- cliveb
I get 22 channels over_the_air.
- coldbrew
AT&T would give me free install only if I chose a TV package. I'll cancel it.
- Kevin Marks
Even the Time-Warner on demand has half of the primetime offerings, then you have to shift to a different provider on their internet connection to watch Fox/ABC on demand.
- Aron Michalski
make a good app and pay 30% and relinquish your direct relationship with the customer ..... any thoughts on this ??
- studentforce
The cable company bundling packages are non-sensical.
- coldbrew
espn3 is an exception for sports games....watched bowl games that I couldnt get with my limited basic
- dlature
It is signatory issues... Robert is right until the production structure of content is changed to incorporate ads/retail in (and hypervideo will do this) they will shift over to the new model... and like Apple, as they just set the precedent, they will take a piece of the revenue from integrated retail).
- davidlee
It's the value of intent over the value of "cache" there was a story earlier this week of a girl who sells 100,000 copies of her fiction through kindle without a publisher
- Stephen Pickering
Yes, she writes vampire crap for teens, apparently.
- coldbrew
The Last Mile is so important, and Comcast is my only choice
- Stephen Pickering
Coldbrew, yeah I didn't see what she writes, still its interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: I agree, just pointing it out for those that don't know.
- coldbrew
WiMAX last mile, what happened?
- cliveb
How about fiber for the last mile?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!!??!
- Stephen Pickering
ZipTV, love it
- Kevin Marks
cliveb: tech issues. Spectrum is still valuable.
- coldbrew
Superbowl parties, Oscar parties
- Kevin Marks
No Reservations
- Jim Posner
Comcast keeps sending me notices about DLing Bill Maher shows (like I don't know I'm DL ing them)>
- coldbrew
What? Bill Maher is on HBO. Huh?
- Stephen Pickering
Idol on HD; kinda like manchego Cheetos.
- Aron Michalski
Last mile spectrum issues need FCC solution (Fat Pipe, Fat Chance)
- cliveb
Comcast needs HBO exactly like iOS needs Amazon and Google.
- Stephen Pickering
I found the 720p quality on AppleTV better than the HD on the DVR - less compressed looking
- Kevin Marks
AJE shows there is a market for serious news on devices. I hope startups move into this space.
- Jim Posner
Yes. But, they are getting DMCAs from HBO b/c im on the torrent (and so are ~300 other people).
- coldbrew
Ah, IC.
- Stephen Pickering
news consumption is always "bursty"
- Jim Posner
Apple's pricing is simply stunning. It's flabbergasting the market.
- coldbrew
JohnB echos Eric Ries #leanstartup learn from MVP (min value prod)
- cliveb
lovin' the Chartbeat possibilities & Borthwick is right it is about complex television / film production structure.
- davidlee
coldbrew: Did you mean flummoxing the market?
- Alex de Soto
de Soto: Perhaps.
- coldbrew
This has always been about art. What's the point in having the hardware unless you're creating content of interest?
- Aron Michalski
I have to choose the ipad for the same reason I've chosen the custom machine up 'til this point.
- coldbrew
Robert's right
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: My thoughts EXACTLY. The Kinect is definitely a top-notch product. Thing is that Kinect is a Prime Sense development.
- Nir Ben Yona
I think they could build the company around Kinect
- Francine Hardaway
xPad x everything
- Stephen Pickering
A whole company around a UI component?
- coldbrew
I mean re-build the company by letting those old divisions die
- Francine Hardaway
And yes, a whole company around UI. That is what APple's doing
- Francine Hardaway
Or maybe it's UX. At bottom, that's what all companies are built around
- Francine Hardaway
The innovator's dilemma is alive and well.
- coldbrew
Give me a tool to create. Give me a tool that will push me beyond my current work. The pen, the typewriter, the computer. The will to write and the ability to say something has to be there; the tool can take you to the next level.
- Aron Michalski
Talked about Roku+Amazon Prime yet?
- Denise Howell
Enterprise can use Kinect to videoconference
- Francine Hardaway
my boys are playing minecraft, not xbox
- Kevin Marks
xBoxes in the break room of the enterprise
- Stephen Pickering
big xbox user myself..wish it had youtube and a browser
- Jim Posner
Could MS build a Kinect device to plug into an iPad that's connected to an HD monitor?
- Alex de Soto
I want Prezi as a real iPad app...
- Kevin Marks
Marks: I have to believe your kids are above average. Not to be a snob about it.
- coldbrew
wish apple tv ran iOS or had safari
- Jim Posner
sure, I'm scobleing... but MineCraft is a huge phenomenon - Google should fund an Android port
- Kevin Marks
the browser doesn't work on the TV
- Jamie
I thought the PS3 had a browser that worked pretty well.
- Jim Posner
i'm not even convinced apps will
- Jamie
I have a PS3 and browsing on it is just terrible Jim. control pad as an input device really isn't ideal
- Jamie
ffs, everyone send your good health vibes to Borthwick.
- coldbrew
really wish I could browse on my iPad and flick to the tv
- Jim Posner
The Apple iOS device platform is also very adaptable or extendable. Medical devices, sensors, etc. will easily hook up. I'm sure Android and MS will move in that direction.
- Alex de Soto
the Quick Bar
- Jamie
shows you trends and promoted tweets
- Jamie
new Twitter App on Android UX blows
- cliveb
i agree Robert....hate it
- dlature
annoying ...really annoying
- davidlee
it's so annoying .. moved to echofon
- Naor Mark
Totally agree with Robert. A petition has been created to remove this http://www.petitionspot.com/petitio...
- Mark Krynsky
it is very instrusive.
- dlature
Tweetdeck for Android; good stuff.
- Aron Michalski
it will be gone. If we all hate it they will kill it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Seesmic for Android got a nice update this week
- Kevin Marks
Robert will pay for the rest of us.
- Aron Michalski
Borthwick reminds me of the trade federation from Dune :)
- coldbrew
sry man
- coldbrew
Hate that part of the new Twitter app too. They did add some interesting features though. You can turn "Ignore local trends" in the settings and turn off pinstripes, whatever that is.
- Alex de Soto
I was happily using the official Twitter client until this update and I'm sure that myself and others will now explore all the 3rd party alternatives again....not good for them.
- Mark Krynsky
Hillary says VoA should become more like AJE. Wonder if the US could produce a credible network.
- Jim Posner
I really like the new Echofon Pro.
- Nir Ben Yona
Hey! I just turned off pinstripes and local trends and the little black bar went away!
- Alex de Soto
The spice must flow.
- coldbrew
Time to check out Seesmic or Echofon (easier than petitions)
- cliveb
Interesting Alex...I turned off local trends yesterday but it had no effect. Pinstripes I didn't try but will now.
- Mark Krynsky
Oh no! The little black bar didn't really go away. :( Sorry Mark
- Alex de Soto
local trends are an optional setting.
- Mark Krynsky
Do the deal sites have twitter feeds with substance?
- coldbrew
Mine doesn't have it, guess I haven't updated yet
- Stephen Pickering
pinstripes
- Aron Michalski
it doesn't remove it, just make the annoyance local :)
- Naor Mark
Yep! Sorry. I thought I'd give it a shot.
- Alex de Soto
No Alex...those settings do not kill the bar...
- Mark Krynsky
PER device.
- Aron Michalski
it makes the annoyance less local
- Kevin Marks
People that pay more than $55/ device for 3g are lost.
- coldbrew
Right Kevin
- Alex de Soto
right. and i agree with Nir, echofon looks nice...
- Naor Mark
I use Echofon on mac now
- Kevin Marks
Get better, Borthwick.!
- coldbrew
Mobile = combining life with technology, creativity with technology, a huge boost in productivity.
- Stephen Pickering
Pick it up at the Austin store..maybe I can help..walking distance from me Robert.
- Jim Posner
I checked our echofon for mac but it doesn't work well with Hebrew (important for me) i'm using YoruFukurou mainly
- Naor Mark
Scoble: If you talk about apps anymore, I'm coming to your house to shut you up :)
- coldbrew
Obviously, kidding
- coldbrew
apps Schmapps, we need web too. ditto needs a web app
- Kevin Marks
Kevin...and Android!
- Mark Krynsky
ditto
- Jamie
Marks: You are always the voice of reason here.
- coldbrew
YoruFukurou - tongue twister
- cliveb
Thank you Doc, Thank you Kevin, John and Steve!
- Aron Michalski
Thanks, as always, you guys.
- coldbrew
(and Tina...)
- Aron Michalski
Almost inspired to buy iPad 2, but living in hope GoogleIO gifts a Tablet
- cliveb
I'll get one but not when the store opens.
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Aron. We're both behind the scenes kind of guys, aren't we?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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- Matt Terenzio
I'm ready to rumble! Waiting for the call...
- Robert Scoble
Sorry if that offended people that think boxing is barbaric.
- Matt Terenzio
I have a feeling we'll talk about UberMedia and Twitter. Oh, and Apple's 30% charge too.
- Robert Scoble
Is Apple going to charge Amazon the 30 per cent also?
- Stephen Pickering
That UberMedia announcement sends chills down my spine. Dave Winer is right on. Let's get out of the silo.
- Matt Terenzio
What's UberMedia? I'm outta the loop. Content Farm like Demand?
- Stephen Pickering
TweetDeck owners that had a few apps shut down for violating Twitter's terms of service.
- Matt Terenzio
Evening all
- Nick Halstead
Here's the problem with the 30%. My local paper advertises it has an app. I download the app, but there's no where to subscribe within the app. Apple didn't bring "me" to them. Their own add did, but I still want to subscribe within the app.
- Stephen Pickering
I think it's fair not to use Twitter in a product name but Tweet doesn't seem right. Tweetie Bird was a favorite character of mine : )
- Matt Terenzio
http://www.techmeme.com/110218... <<-- Story about UberMedia and Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Dick Costello did donate to Obama's Inauguration...
- Kevin Marks
Who should have been there that wasn't invited that he is referring to?
- Stephen Pickering
Costello, as in Bud Abbot and Costello : )
- Matt Terenzio
Guess we wont be hearing Kevin sing the SamSong
- cliveb
TweetCaster is fantastic solution for those Twidroyd users who are left hanging http://ow.ly/3ZgjR
- Erica Wells Cohen
Samsong? or samsung?
- Kevin Marks
I like Seesmic for Android
- Kevin Marks
Ha!
- cliveb
Stephen: HP?
- Robert Scoble
Once we've used you to build our network and credibility
- Stephen Pickering
Dev's are happy to pay 30 pct. Can't see Sony or FT paying up.
- cliveb
What about Amazon?
- Stephen Pickering
Have used both Seesmic and Tweetdeck for Android. Seesmic was giving me memory problems, Tweetdeck has been really good.
- Aron Michalski
How much does Kindle charge publishers?
- cliveb
friendfeed? : )
- Matt Terenzio
Stoic.
- Aron Michalski
Stephen: AMazon isn't a Silicon Valley company. Microsoft falls into the same bucket of why they weren't invited to John Doerr's house.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, thanks, Robert
- Stephen Pickering
are bit.ly and ad.ly etc vulnerable to internet shutdown in Libya?
- Paul E. Ester
KIndle charges more (or at least used to). Amazon's Android store wants to let them pick prices and discounts completely
- Kevin Marks
Sure Paul. True of any country, but certainly Libya has already shut some down.
- Matt Terenzio
HP? eBay? where they not there becasue historic CEOs ran as republicans?
- Kevin Marks
track?
- Jerome Hughes
Oh, you mean affected by the recent shutdowns? I don't think so. It's DNS
- Matt Terenzio
Yeah, but Kevin, is Apple going to charge Amazon 30% too? That wouldn't seem viable
- Stephen Pickering
They flexed their muscle by never responding to their users about concerns.
- Aron Michalski
Obama and Zuck nicely captured pic http://bit.ly/ft82tA
- cliveb
Did I see @jason at the dinner. :)
- Paul E. Ester
lol hoodie comment
- Paul E. Ester
Nice hoodie comment Danny.
- Kevin Mullett
Twitter for a long time took many of their features away from the users, under the guise of being lame when it was in fact a powerplay.
- Aron Michalski
But Kindle is a retailer itself, not a wholesaler, so if it gives 30% it will lose all of its margin
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: exactly. If you are a shopping mall you don't allow other people to built new malls in your building.
- Robert Scoble
@jyarmis blog post about Apple overstepping http://bit.ly/fQbsZG
- cliveb
Good find, Clive @jyarmis is on a roll.
- John Taschek
OMG...the most amazing product.... (rolls eyes)
- Kevin Mullett
Go Danny go.
- Aron Michalski
Yeah, Amazon has gotten so big, I think it will cost Apple more in the long run, to run them off the platform
- Stephen Pickering
I don't go to the shopping mall
- Kevin Marks
Kevin is right. The transactions are incredibly simple and smooth on Apple's iOS.
- Alex de Soto
Is overstepping Steve Jobs loosing a grip?
- cliveb
palo alto or valley fair?
- Paul E. Ester
It's Tithing for the Apple Lord...Amen
- Aron Michalski
Is Danny's point Apple is overcharging?
- Jim Posner
can you make it up on volume ?
- Jerome Hughes
Paul: I usually go to Palo Alto.
- Robert Scoble
Buying from Amazon outside the Apple world is fine, except for video,which is not Appleriffic.
- Aron Michalski
There's no question that Apple has the "right" to do this, we're just saying they shouldn't. It's going to open the door to competition. Amazon is a worthy competitor.
- Stephen Pickering
ustream ads are killing me, hope steve gets a cut.
- Paul E. Ester
Paul he gets paid in free distribution and bandwidth. :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Well, as long as none of us create content, we'll be fine.
- Aron Michalski
Steve should go back to the 5 minute ad at the start of the show, to pay for his daughters college education :)
- Jamie
earthlink I think it was.
- Jamie
When I buy a book on my iMac from Amazon why doesn't Apple require 30%?
- Stephen Pickering
This is hilarious.
- Kevin Mullett
people are caffeinated today w00t!
- Paul E. Ester
they will, stephen
- Kevin Marks
They use Twiiter for search...right?
- Aron Michalski
The publishers have political clout, app developers don't...
- cliveb
Why doesn't Toyota take 30% of my mall purchases, since its car took me to the mall?
- Stephen Pickering
How many secure and user-friendly "store" platforms are there anyway? Google's, Amazon's, Apple's? The question is which one does a developer use and how much of a cut they hand over? Kindle could still work with Apple iOS. Apple users could use Amazon's shopping platform and Apple could ask for a more reasonable referral fee of under 10%.
- Alex de Soto
The toyota mall on planet toyota?
- Paul E. Ester
Don't worry, as unions are crushed and regulation is eliminated, the market will sort it out; we'll never have to pay an upcharge because we're Americans and they love us.
- Aron Michalski
Stephen: funny argument, but Toyota has no leverage there. If it could convince every other car company to charge, maybe.
- Robert Scoble
kevin is getting eaten by a monster
- Tina Chase Gillmor
she's a cute monster though
- Kevin Marks
very cute ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
surely the publisher just gets them to sign up on their site rather than the app. apple only take a cut of their referrals.
- Jamie
and Microsoft bans any open source in its App store!
- cliveb
Tina when are you gonna get GGang on appleTV Podcasts?</whine>
- Paul E. Ester
So are Apple users willing to pay 30% more for one click and being cool?
- Aron Michalski
is the location worthwhile ?
- Jerome Hughes
Did anyone look at Pandora's S-1?
- coldbrew
(of course we're listening to people who have multiple iPads in their home, and there are still a few households worldwide who don't have one yet...)
- Aron Michalski
Apparently Apple is pissing off at least one publisher.
- Jim Posner
Jim: which one? Have they pulled down their iOS apps yet?
- Robert Scoble
The problem is that just because you subscribe within the app doesn't mean that Apple has actually brought you to the product.
- Stephen Pickering
searchengineland :-)
- Jim Posner
Using the Kindle app on the iPod touch avoids the 30% for Apple...
- Aron Michalski
Jim: and he's not a publisher that charges money.
- Robert Scoble
It doesn't look like they're going to remove their offerings, and publishers are hoping to get the Feds involved.
- coldbrew
I agree that if Apple causes the sale they should get that or even more, but just because that you buy within the app doesn't mean that.
- Stephen Pickering
until they throw out the Kindle app...
- Aron Michalski
I thought Danny sold premium content via subs.
- Jim Posner
when did twitter become the bad guy? lol
- Kevin Mullett
roundabout Chirp last year
- Kevin Marks
notariety
- Jerome Hughes
Kevin: when they did the suggested user list. That pissed off lots of us. Then they picked certain clients and made them god and pissed off lots of developers.
- Robert Scoble
private APIs for their own apps
- Jamie
sadly, no one has been able to make a network to compete.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: I could see that point...that didn't trickle down to "normal" users much though.
- Kevin Mullett
Perhaps content organisations' overhead and revenue were over valued for the last 50 years?
- coldbrew
argh, building notoriety
- Jerome Hughes
Twitter don't be evil zinger from @davecclure http://bit.ly/gd8L3x
- cliveb
Watching Scoble's screen, it reminds me of speed reading Pynchon; comprehension is limited, point is lost.
- Aron Michalski
And user base
- Kevin Mullett
Of all the types of apps, the content companies have made the least use of the capabilities of iOS APIs.
- coldbrew
Agree with Kevin, Twitter has BIG Data
- R Macdonald
Real Time Search should be worth a bunch
- Stephen Pickering
The back side of Twitter has always been the story.
- Aron Michalski
facebookers have different goals
- Jerome Hughes
How about this: Amazon raises the typical $9.99 Kindle book price to $11.98 on Apple iOS and $10.98 on Google. $9.99 on Amazon. Buyers choice!
- Alex de Soto
I choose Amazon. Done.
- Aron Michalski
apple say you have to charge the same price
- Jamie
Alex, Apple requires the app price to be as low as the lowest price offered elsewhere
- Stephen Pickering
Amazon never charges the same price twice
- Kevin Marks
Twitter was anything but fair.
- Aron Michalski
Jamie: Price fixing will get them in trouble with the Feds. I think.
- Alex de Soto
Do you have to pay premium for FIREHOSE?
- Kevin Mullett
tweetie
- Jerome Hughes
But I'm not sure that's legal with FTC for Apple to be able to dictate the price
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: for the full real time firehose, that's what I hear.
- Robert Scoble
Mullet: Yes.
- coldbrew
Alex, that's what I was thinking, that's Price Fixing
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: why not? THis isn't price fixing.
- Robert Scoble
wonder when twitter will buy DataSift or build out that function
- Jim Posner
Amazon also demands that the Kindle price is the lowest. those are the rules to get onto their store.. thats not price fixing.
- Jamie
I think its a law called "Price Fixing" but I'm sure Apple's lawyers are smarter than I! heheheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Just make all your apps free and then you don't have to worry.
- Matt Terenzio
Jim - they wont build that function
- Nick Halstead
Robert & coldbrew: thanks that is what I thought
- Kevin Mullett
Is DataSift a betaworks thing?
- coldbrew
Jamie: if you are giving away something under what it costs you can get government after you.
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: I think betaworks is invested. It's Nick Halstead's company.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: Thanks
- coldbrew
Oh, I hi Nick! I love this chat room. I guess that means that Twitter will buy DataSift. (My thesis)
- Robert Scoble
robert: no they are not - they would like to - but wont get a part
- Nick Halstead
Nick: can I use DataSift on the folks I'm following yet?
- Robert Scoble
hornOKplease just tweeted: @scobleizer alex payne had a post that said that at this point twitter devs are either a) twitter partners or b) hobbyists. no middle ground
- Robert Scoble
dialtone.
- Aron Michalski
just seems data mining/ event-pattern recognition is a logical area for twitter to grow
- Jim Posner
robert: yes - wait for ver 0.9 coming out early next week - lots of amazing new things - including real-time storage - you can keep every tweet you want.
- Nick Halstead
I thought Halstead was bringing Track back?
- coldbrew
:) Am I wrong?
- coldbrew
Nick: AWESOME! coldbrew: that is track!
- Robert Scoble
Wish I had been grandfathered in on the whitelisting. Now that's a sweet deal.
- Matt Terenzio
kind of great how datasift was mentioned here and nick logged in and responded within a minute.
- Jamie
Robert - here's al3x's post: http://bit.ly/cW4TuZ
- Richard
Scoble: No! It is Duke Nukem part II ;)
- coldbrew
I have always said - all that counts is that twitter continues to grow
- Nick Halstead
very worried about the gTLD issue. Maybe falsely so, but still.
- Kevin Mullett
bit.ly has said they are working on that very solution.
- Kevin Mullett
whats her name had her .ly yanked
- Paul E. Ester
vb.ly
- Paul E. Ester
what are the SMS percentages now?
- Aron Michalski
twitter is sitting on a massive real time database that they have yet to monetize or have the tools to monetize.
- Jim Posner
Halstead: I'm glad you've not been afriad to play in their sandbox. But, I guess that means you think ubermedia was in the wrong today (they weren't, imo)?
- coldbrew
Is there still a need to consider text with Twitter?
- Aron Michalski
Pretty popular in 3rd world, no?
- coldbrew
cold: big difference - we dont play in a sandbox - were a twitter partner
- Nick Halstead
does broken-boarders come back as a co-working space chain
- cliveb
I'm interested in discussants perspectives on Facebook adding hCalendar & hCard microformats to millions of events
- R Macdonald
links are dead: http://www.zdnet.com/blog...
- Jamie
WHAT? Robert isn't a robot?
- Kevin Mullett
Halstead: Sounds semantic unless you are talking about signed agreements.
- coldbrew
what about deck.ly?
- dlature
save your Monitor boxes...
- Aron Michalski
definite.ly wont be using deck.ly
- Jamie
feel so bad for you on that ski slope
- Matt Terenzio
unfollow anyone on my timeline who does
- Jamie
Nick when are going to get some wysiwyg tools for DataSift? throw us non developers a bone.
- Jim Posner
from @stop: One fresh pull of data using Twitter/iPhone is almost 300k of data. Int'l pay-per-use is $.0195/Kb. That would be almost USD$6.00 per pull!
- Kevin Marks
.tw domain ftw
- Paul E. Ester
tweetdeck was causing me to accidentally use it b/c of their intial interface....they improved it this past week
- dlature
So, bottom line, will Kindle be leaving the iOS platform?
- Stephen Pickering
(Downloading Vanity Fair on my iPad from the chairlift right now...)
- Aron Michalski
tweets are bloated compared to SMS - a tweet pulled via APi is way more than 140 chars
- Kevin Marks
jim: working on it - but storage + map-reduce functionality had to come first
- Nick Halstead
like to know what GG group thinks of deck.ly
- dlature
They had to do it. BING helped them along.
- Kevin Mullett
dlature: It hasn't hit my life at all.
- Robert Scoble
Why couldn't AAPL offer a sliding pricing scale for volume on the subs thing?
- coldbrew
@diatuure never heard of it
- Paul E. Ester
Nick- thanks..looking forward to the growth of DataSift..hope it ramps up sooner rather than later.
- Jim Posner
coldbrew: probably because Apple likes simplicity, even in its business models.
- Robert Scoble
Paul...it's built into tweetdeck
- dlature
When did Bing results start showing up on Facebook search?
- Matt Terenzio
social search is pointless - the fact is search will be replaced with 'follow' - by interest graphs
- Nick Halstead
Nick: I'm really happy I'll be able to do DataSift on the folks I'm following. That makes it MUCH more useful!
- Robert Scoble
so overseas data is about $15-19 a meg while a text will be .50 to .75 cents. Mobile Realtime is a rich man's luxury once you cross the border.
- Aron Michalski
Jamie, Robert, Stephen: Sorry had to walk away for a sec. I guess that's right. Not pricing fixing in the true sense. I guess Apple will remain an exclusive mall with a lot of customers with deep pockets. Publishers will want to be in that "mall" for sure just like some stores want to be on Rodeo drive regardless of the rent.
- Alex de Soto
deck.ly takes +140 chars into a separate database...and linksto it appaer as "More"
- dlature
dlature: doesn't TwitLonger do the same thing?
- Robert Scoble
so does Tantek's falcon
- Kevin Marks
don't know of it
- dlature
So what dlature? Doesn't that save some people from having to write a blog post?
- Matt Terenzio
jim: thanks, we will start inviting more people soon, we only have 500 invited into Alpha currently, but have 10's thousands on the invite list ready to rock.
- Nick Halstead
ran into it b/c Tweetdeck kinda forced me to
- dlature
matt, I don't neccessarily have a problemwith it...lot of tweeters don't like it...I can see its uses
- dlature
Wow, That's some serious insinuation.
- coldbrew
Falcon: http://tantek.pbworks.com/w...
- Kevin Marks
Danny: I still see that *twitter LIST issue we talked about last year.
- Kevin Mullett
Yeah, I think it's kind of like autotweeting when you write a blog post.
- Matt Terenzio
I already covered why Social search is not the answer -> http://nickhalstead.com/social-...
- Nick Halstead
Yes. I hear this Siegler person is quite knowledgeable and unbiased :)
- coldbrew
like Twitter Suggestions? ;-)
- Aron Michalski
when I search [canon s90] I get 2 friend results at the top
- Kevin Marks
rumors GoogleIO setting up viewing places nr Moscone dealing with registration backlash
- cliveb
but the story was actually measuring the conversion of deals shared on fb vs the same deal shared on twitter
- Richard
it's the Super Bowl all over again...
- Aron Michalski
not the same as ad conversion, I don't think
- Richard
Tell me you are not more apt to click on a SERP with a friends pic/name in it? CTR will be higher even if lower, but not on the bottom.
- Kevin Mullett
Richard: They write lots of stuff over there with opinions and a few facts from being freinds with so many of the value. Most of their interpretations seem to be worthless.
- coldbrew
Nick-any interest in data visualization (heat maps) on the live DataSift streams?
- Jim Posner
Chris Dixon had a good talk about this: Graphs presentation at Google NY http://post.ly/1dT6v
- Kevin Marks
maybe a slider from "Chaste" to Slutty" for your friends influence...
- Aron Michalski
"the underlying geekery!"
- Tina Chase Gillmor
copy that Tina.
- Aron Michalski
rww posted an interesting article on fb marketing yesterday: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Richard
jim: with storage + map-reduce any kind of visualisation is possible, we have quite a few 3rd party developers building them
- Nick Halstead
Direct mail has always been 2-4%
- Aron Michalski
spam gets by with much lower numbers
- Jerome Hughes
Nick-Good to hear..having "glanceability" for fast flowing streams would be useful.
- Jim Posner
Fuchia ads?
- Aron Michalski
Search has intent. Most don't search for FUN.
- Kevin Mullett
Danny's right. Facebook is better for Brand ads. It's just like network TV. Facebook is where the attention is.
- Stephen Pickering
fb hyper targeting yellow page adds on your profile (even if you don't click) builds brands
- cliveb
but brand ads are mostly useless
- Kevin Marks
all this talk about facebook and twitter we all know foursquare is going to rule the world
- Paul E. Ester
Kevin Marks: Depends on if you want to be top of mind. It "can" make a difference.
- Kevin Mullett
Brand ads aren't useless. They are just longer term. Ask Coca Cola. Ask Ogilvy.
- Stephen Pickering
see the same thing in twitter bot patterns
- Jerome Hughes
Ad blindness - that is exactly what I have. @kevinmarks
- John Taschek
You advertise on Adwords for cashflow, and Facebook for Brand or Mindshare.
- Stephen Pickering
What is new is that more people are brands; and they are promoting things.
- Aron Michalski
Buy Rackspace <<-- John Taschek can't see this! :-)
- Robert Scoble
priming can be important, true
- Kevin Marks
someone mention Watson..big story that happened this week
- Jim Posner
Hmm. I thought most tech people had highly curated host files, no?
- coldbrew
Robert, Why can't Josh see it? Did he block you or vice versa? hehehehehehehehhehehe
- Stephen Pickering
Even though I don't click on the ads, I might subconsciously see them. R . A. C. K. S. P. A. C. E
- John Taschek
It's so easy to go from a link on Google SERP to a Web page that offers to FB "Like" your brand so that in seconds you're on Facebook learning about the brand from real people. That's powerful!
- Alex de Soto
btw aapl got killed today
- Paul E. Ester
Robert; best point today. Nobody HAS to go to the mall. Unless you're locked in to a hardware provider who prevents options.
- Aron Michalski
@robert it's not info overload, it's filter failure - C. Shirky re: what JT can see
- Jerome Hughes
Alex - Agreed
- Kevin Mullett
Taschek: WhatSPACE?
- coldbrew
OMG....Robert!
- Kevin Mullett
you get the '50,000 people like this, none of them are your friends' problem
- Kevin Marks
saw Clay S. on Al Jazeera yesterday..great conversation
- Jim Posner
thank, Jim, will look for that
- Jerome Hughes
thanks Jim.
- Aron Michalski
show was called Empire
- Jim Posner
plus $99 / yr whether you release or not
- Jerome Hughes
this is always a truly interesting, smart chat environment. Never ceases to amaze me
- Tina Chase Gillmor
There are sites doing that manually, but not auto.
- Kevin Mullett
Shucks, I was just trying to be contrarian, Tina ;-)
- Aron Michalski
Social networks, social revolution http://english.aljazeera.net/program...
- Jim Posner
we'll also have to see the version with the electric shirt(s) ?
- Jerome Hughes
danny froze again but since we're at the end I'm not going to re=establish the call
- Tina Chase Gillmor
notoriety
- Jerome Hughes
best pose to freeze in ;)
- Jo Booth
a magazine that grows after you buy it?
- Aron Michalski
danny unfroze!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Marks: You endorse that? I haven't read it, just asking?
- coldbrew
tricaster rocks
- Paul E. Ester
Thanks for the show!
- R Macdonald
interesting Point of view
- Kevin Marks
Thanks @markbenioff too
- Paul E. Ester
exhalation
- Jerome Hughes
Thanks Tina, thanks guys, see ya soon!
- Aron Michalski
ipad 2 coming in april annnnn
- Paul E. Ester
that was close.
- Aron Michalski
yeah....I looked up when Robert said that
- dlature
this is the best part of the show.
- Paul E. Ester
Yeah, some after show fun! iPad 2 coming in April with a 2048-pixel screen, my sources said.
- Robert Scoble
w00t! thanks rober
- Paul E. Ester
Tricaster: ready for Robert or Steve to cover in depth
- cliveb
He also said iPhone 5 will come in September.
- Robert Scoble
last nights dinner was epic
- Paul E. Ester
whose house
- Paul E. Ester
John Doerr's.
- cliveb
Yeah, it was John Doerr's house in Woodside. If Obama were really cool he would have stopped at Bucks.
- Robert Scoble
Bam at Bucks would have been terrific scene
- cliveb
Scoble: We'll see how your sources do :) Great info. I hope you exorcise your options...
- coldbrew
Reference to are Facebook ads more power than Twitter ads - http://bit.ly/i264EZ
- John Taschek
was going to do the audio bootleg, but no YouTube video up, any thoughts?
- Sebastian Keil
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Starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Song for del.icio.us 'Don't Kill It, Carol' by Manfred Mann's Earth Band http://amzn.to/hzKW7Z
- Kevin Marks
I saw you tweet that, Kevin, that's hilarious
- Stephen Pickering
Best comment on del.icio.us is on HN: http://news.ycombinator.com/item...
- Matt M (inactive)
"Hello, hackers, look at your bookmarking service, now back to me, now back at your bookmarks, now back to me. Sadly, your bookmarking service is not me, but if he didn't keep shutting off his service, then he could be like me. Look down, back up, where are you? You don't have any bookmarks."
- Matt M (inactive)
Yahoo! should have realized that their name was busted and started building the good brands they had: flickr, delicious, etc. Seems like they are driving the ship down and pulling as much cash as they can before they crash.
- Matt M (inactive)
Has there ever been a female guest on the Gillmor Gang?
- Andrew Hazlett
Laura Fitton has been on before, but otherwise, not that I recall
- Kevin Marks
Word Lens is app of the week - I remember the original demo hack for that
- Kevin Marks
Dell Streak is pretty horrible. The Samsung is unfortunately the best so far.
- Matt M (inactive)
The problem with the Android tablets is the monthly fee. Not to mention the fact that Apple really screwed the OEMs with their pricing.
- coldbrew
They run ARM AFAIK: ARM Cortex A8
- Matt M (inactive)
coldbrew, are you saying that the OEMs are intentionally selling at a loss?
- Tinfoil 2.0
Android has been slow to scale up because the software needs to be improved at that scale. Even the Dell Streak at 5" isn't that great. The Samsung is even more of a stretch
- Matt M (inactive)
What do you expect Google to do, stand by and do nothing while apple locks up the market and threatens their business strategy?
- Stephen Pickering
LogEx: No. That Apple really put pressure on the other OEMs with their pricing being so low.
- coldbrew
Shouldn't Arrington be privy to the cap table since he's an investor in Seesmic?
- coldbrew
What do you guys think about the Cr-48 ChromeOS laptop? Should it have been a touch tablet instead?
- Matt M (inactive)
Re: HTML5 for apps - we're doing mobile apps and HTML5 is nowhere near native at this point. It's getting close on the iPhone, but it's got a long way to go.
- Matt M (inactive)
a lot of the content apps on iPad are actually wrappers around HTML5 - as we saw at the ChromeOS launch
- Kevin Marks
You still need native code to shim lots of stuff that doesn't work well in HTML5 though: camera access, tabbed UIs, etc. It's much easier if you're building something like a newspaper app though - where you don't need to represent your app using as much standard UI as we have to do with gri.pe.
- Matt M (inactive)
yes, true
- Kevin Marks
http://www.boingboing.net/2010... phone ordering drinks in pubs
- Kevin Marks
the thing that eats the battery for me is using the navigation...
- Kevin Marks
Navigation with screen on eats battery on Android. It's getting better with the latest maps build tho. My N1 loses 25% of battery after 30-60 mins of navigation with screen on. With screen off (just using the voice part), it's 10% or less. I try to plug it into the car while navigating because the interface is amazing.
- Matt M (inactive)
Droid 2 has a keyboard that is actually usable, unlike the Droid 1
- Kevin Marks
If Verizon gets the iPhone, that is going to be the death of AT&T. I don't think it'll kill Android tho
- Matt M (inactive)
Maybe Steve Gillmor will put me on the Gillmor Gang. I have every tech toy those guys have
- Francine Hardaway
ChromeOS laptops shipped...
- Matt M (inactive)
Also: HTML5 scrolling support sucks, except at the top-level document.
- Matt M (inactive)
Google Labs has a beta of BodyBrowser. It lets you look at a 3-dimentional 6 layered v iew of the body
- Francine Hardaway
ChromeOS does do wifi geolocation though.
- Matt M (inactive)
Angry Birds makes more money on the Android Platform and ads than the iOs platform
- Stephen Pickering
Radio's going away bc the content is so horrible
- Stephen Pickering
I admit it - I use my.yahoo.
- John Taschek
Yahoo haven't shut down Pipes yet have they?..;). I'm a Greader fanatic, but we are far and few between.
- Phil Ashman
sorry robert, there is no way that for normal internet people, that "likes" or twitter "favorites" have replaced bookmarks - i don't even think I have ever went to facebook to look at the things i've liked.
- Allen Stern
and to steve - tell me the difference with "facebook = cloud" but "delicious /= cloud" ?
- Allen Stern
@stephen - AM is where the best radio content lives! It's like GG all day long.
- John Taschek
That is cool, Kevin, what does the percentage points mean? .007% is the top?
- Stephen Pickering
percent of books that use the word i think
- Kevin Marks
Yeah, John, but doesn't it seem like they have 15 minutes of commercials for every 5 minutes of content?
- Stephen Pickering
Oh, IC, thanks, Kevin. How can we not love google with things like this? Who else puts out this kind of cool info? heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
allen stern...disagree...there are TONS of Facebook users out there "liking"things, and Facebook has quite a few"normal" users
- Dale Lature
I've been playing around with the Google Chrome Tweetdeck extension. It's actually pretty good for a first crack.
- Phil Ashman
@kevin - change Internet to "Web" and the dates from 2008 to 2010 to show real curve: http://bit.ly/eLNvaN
- John Taschek
dale im not saying people aren't using the like button - i am saying people aren't using it as a bookmark service
- Allen Stern
@stephen - true. commercials are annoying but they're not bad late evening.
- John Taschek
They were mentioning the word "radio" in 1550?
- Stephen Pickering
nice john
- Kevin Marks
I always thought Diigo knocked knocked the socks off of Del.icio.us and so never got sucked in there.
- Phil Ashman
allen, I do.
- Dale Lature
Phil - Diigo should be going bigtime as a replacement for Delicious but I haven't heard anything from them or seen anything from them
- Allen Stern
using it a lot more than I did with the bookmarking systems
- Dale Lature
@stephen - well I screwed that up Stephen - unless HG Wells got into my head
- John Taschek
How about Evernote as a capture and bookmarking tool? I haven't looked back since leaving Delicious 2 years ago
- Jeff Grosse
@John hahahhaahahha
- Stephen Pickering
I have a tumblr but it seems its geared to re sharing and not original content
- Stephen Pickering
I'm waiting for my diaspora alpha
- Stephen Pickering
Whatever happened to that Microsoft Lifecam?
- John Taschek
go to http://www.facebook.com/about... and it will invite you to new messages
- Kevin Marks
everytime i see robert's bedroom, he seems to have more monitors :)
- Allen Stern
...an antisocial app
- Phil Ashman
talk about angry birds making more money on Android
- Stephen Pickering
If you use invite code "scobleizer" on memolane you should get in.
- Robert Scoble
Nice, thanks for the code, Robert.
- Ian McGee
Marriage of the Analog and Digital worlds
- Stephen Pickering
"...people will be doing strange things with sensors" -- Kevin Marks. ;-) Safe bet...
- Ian McGee
I got in, interesting...
- Kevin Marks
mike's post about seesmic and salesforce
- Kevin Marks
One bet for 2011: HP open-sources WebOS
- Matt M (inactive)
check out http://tummelvision.tv for my other show... thta has a podcast that works now
- Kevin Marks
ty for comment about audio rss; Listen while in my car is the usual way I get to hear the show.
- Ian McGee
hi
- Cevat Ahmet
that's what they want. for you to stop thinking about it. :D
- Karoli
if Apple delivers me a better "shopping " environment and also delivers a butt-load of eyeballs I might think that a 30% premium is well worth it because I may get to make it up in volume
- Tina Chase Gillmor
test
- Steve Gillmor
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I'm standing by, as usual.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert. :) Me too....to watch, not talk tho.
- Karoli
Should be starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
combs are handy, not shower-dependent. Just sayin'
- Karoli
standing by (my phone has died)
- Kevin Marks
blue microphone guy?
- Yann Ropars
Yann: that would be me.
- Robert Scoble
;-)
- Robert Scoble
Looks like a cartoon microphone from the 60' - #style :)
- Yann Ropars
http://www.bluemic.com/bottle/ is my microphone.
- Robert Scoble
Maslow's hierarchy comes to Gillmor gang...
- Ian McGee
Ian: heh.
- Robert Scoble
is a social network monopoly possible? what would it look like? ref. FB
- Yann Ropars
I thought there was a way to expport from FB. Didn't Zuck announce that at a recent event?
- Francine Hardaway
There is a .zip file
- Francine Hardaway
I have 2500 contacts and many of them are dead. I don't have either of your addresses
- Francine Hardaway
Mike is whiteknight / blacknight depends on context
- cliveb
"Opening up" and other such nonsense is something companies do when they're on the way down, not on the way up.
- Michael Breslin
Getting your data out of FB doesn't mean you have privacy. It just means you have the right to get your data out.
- Karoli
crash
- Yann Ropars
I lost the feed
- Francine Hardaway
sigh.
- Karoli
bumped
- Arnie Klaus
Drilled down too deep
- Ian McGee
Off Air
- Yann Ropars
Sorry. We will restart feed
- Robert Scoble
we lost ya gang
- Dale Lature
Give us a couple of minutes.
- Robert Scoble
We are still on, YouStream burped.
- Robert Scoble
I still don't know how to get my info out of FB with the zip file
- Francine Hardaway
Gang went bye bye
- Missy Ward
want to bring me in too?
- Kevin Marks
Yeah, Missy, hang out.
- Robert Scoble
We'll be back online shortly. Hopefully. YouStream went down.
- Robert Scoble
I want Kevin on
- Francine Hardaway
lost ourstream. Working on it now. Standby folks!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine I have my FB data zip being prepared it says; waiting on an email.
- Ian McGee
How did you start the process?
- Francine Hardaway
"Download your information"
- Ian McGee
Francine, go to your account https://register.facebook.com/editacc... and click download
- Kevin Marks
thx Ian I will be in HMB 12/2-6 Coffee?
- Francine Hardaway
Arrington water turned back on and out goes the Ustream...
- cliveb
Thanks all. Getting it done. Just in case they start charging for FB:-)Or I start hating it.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: coffee sounds great; I'll shoot you a note
- Ian McGee
Put my FB data into Myspace yesterday and got back disgusting stuff aka "customized content"
- Francine Hardaway
Got the feed back
- Francine Hardaway
Well... Company vs. personal data?
- Ian McGee
no...a right-wing radio station on AM radio? say it isn't so.
- Karoli
privacy for public conversations?
- Karoli
this was for a job with the police dept?
- Karoli
So? Unconstitutional means nothing to most people
- Francine Hardaway
lol, Steve.
- Karoli
http://goo.gl/jrDZm (usatoday.com) link to police employers asking for social networking passwords
- Michael Breslin
So now you are playing soccer in your living room Robert?
- Francine Hardaway
Yeah.
- Robert Scoble
MS games division might survive on its own...
- Ian McGee
sorry...but no kid of mine is taking a day off school to play videogames.
- Karoli
My 70-year old father is on board with the same feeling about iPhone -- hasn't seen my Samsung Epic though ;-)
- Missy Ward
Like the intensity on new inventions
- cliveb
iPhone is cross-generational
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert have you tried the video conferencing? Saw a note somewhere it was impressive...
- Ian McGee
Tina, it totally is. I gave my mom and daughter one. both love it.
- Karoli
The point isn't affordable to the consumer, the point is can some random inventor with a great idea afford to implement it.
- Michael Breslin
I hsve one, daughter has one, grandson (2) has one:-)
- Francine Hardaway
michael, ain't that the truth.
- Karoli
holodeck conferencing - want!
- cliveb
Costco is sold out of Kinect.
- Francine Hardaway
Sports games lack the most important feature of sports, gravity.
- Michael Breslin
such a disconnect between video games and reality. everything resolved in games...not so much in reality.
- Karoli
you need the web cam behind the screen...
- Kevin Marks
lol!!!! guess Loic will know now.
- Karoli
ok you guys.... what about Twitter ranking algorithm mention @ev did.... what are you thoughts there?
- Yann Ropars
down, down, down the rabbit hole.
- Karoli
Wwwwwhhhhhhhheeeeeeeee.
- Robert Scoble
stream went down.
- Kathleen Hassinger
stream still up
- Yann Ropars
the video was great
- Jerome Hughes
Parody is a fair use defence
- Kevin Marks
AC/DC still not on iTunes :(
- Missy Ward
Twitter ranking algo
- Yann Ropars
The concert in Washington is the best punk rock!
- Arnie Klaus
Walmart has it. just bought it online
- Francine Hardaway
I'd like to know if running track on half the firehose is useful?
- Michael Breslin
my data isn't unique to twitter anyway. redundancies, FTW.
- Karoli
Missy: that sucks. AC/DC rocks.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: depends on the half. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Michael Breslin, it depends on whether it's the right-wing half or the left-wing half. :D
- Karoli
double zing
- Michael Breslin
So now I have an XBox 360 with Kinect. Why?
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: so we can ski together. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You just paid 150$ to dance, or pretend to ski, try to forget you could have done those things for free.
- Michael Breslin
Michael +10
- Karoli
Michael: heh.
- Robert Scoble
gnip services for non-display 3rd party apps
- Jerome Hughes
No, I paid $388 because I didn't have an XBox.
- Francine Hardaway
But I am sure my kids and friends and I will love it with a good red wine
- Francine Hardaway
better resolution in meatspace
- Jerome Hughes
Right Arrington. There are too many photosharing apps. All the gurus on Quora are wrong
- Francine Hardaway
angry birds is about the extent of my gaming interest.
- Karoli
Path is ridiculous
- Francine Hardaway
Useless
- Francine Hardaway
Wait! I am a normal person
- Francine Hardaway
Path went down the rabbit hole!
- cliveb
The best part of kinect for me is navigating the xbox menus by waiving my hands.
- Michael Breslin
I agree on instagr.am too!
- Missy Ward
Karoli I can't get through Level i of Angry Birds, which is why I want to play soccer aned dance
- Francine Hardaway
Francine I'll help with Angry birds when you get here. You can dance at Peets. ;-)
- Ian McGee
bye everyone...
- Karoli
I do that without an XBox Ian
- Francine Hardaway
Good luck with your water mike!
- Michael Breslin
Reading comments on his posts is painful, but I can't seem to look away.
- coldbrew
hey, i'll write. LOL...
- Karoli
Quit taking video and you won't be so swamped
- Francine Hardaway
THis is like Leo laPorte, where you never know when the show has gone aoff the air
- Francine Hardaway
Not sure it ever really ends...
- Ian McGee
Thanks, we're outta here.
- Robert Scoble
I really think Path went down a bad path.
- Robert Scoble
Path's App is inversely proportional to the view from Path HQ
- cliveb
Still haven't received my Facebook zip. Struck out trying to find a way to download Gmail/Buzz though.
- Ian McGee
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iPads gain in enterprise http://video.ft.com/v...
- cliveb
how's it looking?
- Kevin Marks
It is Friday again? I'm waiting for the call. Have a new Logitech webcam, too.
- Robert Scoble
starts now.
- Robert Scoble
woo-hoo
- Ankush Narula
hello hello
- Xenophrenia
hi Xeno
- Kevin Marks
Hi.
- Robert Scoble
paypal was down earlier as well
- Ankush Narula
Missed you on Tummelvision Kevin - it was a good show - Heather and Dave stayed after and chatted for about 20 mins or so
- Xenophrenia
You started a trend ;-)
- Xenophrenia
I missed it too - I'll have to listen to the podcast
- Kevin Marks
I agree with Danny - it's annoying that it defaults to checking
- Ankush Narula
Last Pass has an auto fill feature
- Xenophrenia
Totally frictionless payment a la iTunes is the goal
- Stephen Pickering
Verified by Visa is really annoying. Looks like a phishing attack
- Kevin Marks
totally frictionless could be hazardous if hacked ....
- Xenophrenia
yay
- Xenophrenia
marijuana isn't evil
- Xenophrenia
It helps creativity
- Stephen Pickering
It sure makes this show funnier than usual
- Ankush Narula
takes the money away of the cartels - stop incarcerating more people than the rest of the world - stuff like that ;-) ..
- Xenophrenia
Office just keeps growing and growing
- Stephen Pickering
yeah - and makes people happy - helps people who are sick ... ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Office isn't exactly a riveting conversational topic ;-) ... people use it everyday - don't necessarily talk about it
- Xenophrenia
Microsoft is obsessed with introducing new brands... it's killing them
- Ankush Narula
If iPad had a real browser and flash then it would kill netbooks
- Stephen Pickering
I agree Stephen
- Xenophrenia
how is the iPad browser not real?
- Kevin Marks
there probably would still be some - but people really like the Ipad
- Xenophrenia
its mobile browser, can't edit Google Docs for instance, so many services don't work right in the mobile browser Google Translate etc
- Stephen Pickering
so, if Google supported the iPad browser better...
- Kevin Marks
Microsoft Tension - .NET vs Ozzie
- cliveb
But why a mobile browser on a screen that large
- Stephen Pickering
Adobe shows Flash to HTML5 (+ SVG) converter: http://bit.ly/dBfHkG
- Kevin Marks
“HTML is the only true cross platform solution for everything” - Bob Muglia, Microsoft Tools President http://zd.net/bCw3Tu
- Kevin Marks
How's that going for Microsoft?
- Ankush Narula
I can't upload files in Safari on iOS - as far as I'm concerned that's not an open platform implementation
- Ankush Narula
what files do you want to upload? Photos?
- Kevin Marks
yeah... and then some
- Ankush Narula
Or download
- Stephen Pickering
so that many Ipads sold (to people not used to how Apple works) ... is there a new one announced in January ;-) ?
- Xenophrenia
It's what people want to "do"
- PookyMedia
Microsoft's brand diminishing? http://bit.ly/dCWquA
- John Taschek
Apple/MS committed to H.264, Google to WebM
- Ankush Narula
Diversifying into each others fields - innovative or limiting?
- PookyMedia
Google uses h264 and WebM
- Kevin Marks
standardizing
- Xenophrenia
better for 'us' if they all play nicely
- Xenophrenia
Skype to FB too
- PookyMedia
Does anyone worry the strategy is to close down the Mac like iOS is?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: why worry? I'm not invested in Mac. That much.
- Robert Scoble
if Apple's Facetime would document and work with existing protocols, then Apple would get for free the already in place windows video chat libraries and clients
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Well in my vision the Mac is the mother ship and iOs is like a shuttle.
- Stephen Pickering
exactly bear. If they documented it, every video chat vendor would build it right away.
- Kevin Marks
brilliant move by starbucks
- PookyMedia
Foursquare has achieve escape velocity I guess
- Stephen Pickering
RadioShack and Ben&Jerry's run offers on foursquare too.
- Alex de Soto
what was the one you used on the way to TWiT cottage Robert?
- Xenophrenia
that was fun to watch ;-)
- Xenophrenia
foursquare needs to make an add-on for google maps - that way they can pop up a pin layer of everywhere they have coupons
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
GPS based entertainment doesn't get more local than that
- PookyMedia
So we all become perpetual Amway salesmen?
- Ankush Narula
then we'd question if it's actual interest or just getting paid to point ..
- Xenophrenia
Xeno: I used Glympse to do that.
- Robert Scoble
it's a trust issue for those you recommend to
- Xenophrenia
virtual pyramid schemes
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
right, ankus, xeno - that is the problem with affiliate schemes. Needs to be clear
- Kevin Marks
what about the Library of Congress documenting your foursq activity?
- PookyMedia
don't they have laws because bloggers were doing this sort of thing?
- Xenophrenia
and not disclosing?
- Xenophrenia
hahahahha
- PookyMedia
yes, was article about this Xeno: http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffber...
- Kevin Marks
should they be more aware?
- PookyMedia
I'm the mayor of a restroom in Grand Central Station... take that homeless guy who lives there
- Ankush Narula
I check-in so I have a record of places I've been for myself...
- Kevin Marks
would there be laws against getting paid to do this sort of thing? That you would have to disclose your getting paid to recommend these webpages?
- Xenophrenia
hehehe
- Xenophrenia
kev: I like it for that also
- Ankush Narula
What do you guys think of proliferation of QRCodes?
- Alex de Soto
but the correct info could be gotten out by the main player - time warner
- PookyMedia
being a hermit - I have very little need for Foursquare ;-)
- Xenophrenia
disclosing should be part of the referral, sure.
- Kevin Marks
I hate the drive-by check ins. People checking into places that they have not been, just passed by.
- Dave Hoffman / N3PRO
Checking in for the enterprise can be cool in large corporations. Good to know when boss is in the house.
- Alex de Soto
If I post an Amazon link with my referrer code in, Amazon should make that clear.
- Kevin Marks
Twitter is operating on the complex tectonic surface crust of the the social-neural network sphere.
- Arnie Klaus
Boss checking in: http://dilbert.com/strips...
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: Funny!
- Alex de Soto
The Primus defense
- Ankush Narula
that would make sense
- Xenophrenia
Did he say a secret hashtag?
- Ankush Narula
epic rant
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Seems like Foursquare should take the place of these Guitar Center and Bed Bath & Beyond Coupons I get every few weeks in the mail
- Stephen Pickering
I hope we helped.
- Arnie Klaus
http://xkcd.com/806/ just say 'shibboleet'
- Kevin Marks
their doing the new cool thing
- Xenophrenia
that's all
- Xenophrenia
they're
- Xenophrenia
why do I do that?
- Xenophrenia
Kinect kicks ass
- Ankush Narula
Should I invest in ERTS? Will Xbox continue to grow and is ERTS the biggest game maker?
- Stephen Pickering
If Silverlight's dead so is WIndows Phone 7
- Ankush Narula
it will use foursquare!
- PookyMedia
Ankush: heh. Windows Phone 7 uses HTML 5, too, right?
- Robert Scoble
Not for native though... I think that's webOS
- Ankush Narula
Windows Phone 7 has some retro browser on it
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: yet another reason I won't accept a free one.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah - Internet Explorer 360
- Ankush Narula
the answer to Danny's rant is tummeling - thats what customer service needs.
- Kevin Marks
Yeah because the current king of Oracle has a god complex
- Ankush Narula
webkit is all that matters
- John Taschek
yes Kevin - but these corporations need to take 'humans' seriously first ..
- Xenophrenia
of course - I think the twitter outreach is a step in that direction
- Kevin Marks
Virtual goods too
- PookyMedia
John: don't tell the Mozilla guys that
- Ankush Narula
Have yet to use Facebook places. Don't seem compelling to me.
- Dave Hoffman / N3PRO
I survived another week! :-)
- Robert Scoble
tata
- Xenophrenia
ciao - happy halloween folks
- Ankush Narula
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How's it looking? I'm ready to come in...
- Kevin Marks
I'm waiting for the call too.
- Robert Scoble
try me again, I switched which network I'm on here
- Kevin Marks
:) 16 people are tuned in.
- Kathleen Hassinger
Is there a link to the Benioff video?
- Jim Posner
Benioff keynote: http://mediazone.brighttalk.com/comm...
- John Taschek
Also Windows7 sold so well, they can't count on the pressure buildup as with XP/Vista.
- Ian McGee
I have Windows on Parallels on my mac, but it wires down 3G of RAM when I launch it
- Kevin Marks
thanks for the link, John
- Jerome Hughes
they usurped TWiL to watch Blizzcon - so I had to leave that show to come here - will have to download it later ... this is actually better than lawyers (sorry Denise) ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Ballmer keynote is here: http://mediazone.brighttalk.com/event...
- John Taschek
I hope you guys cover the loss of Ray Ozzie @MS and the perils of corporate culture mismatch.
- Jim Posner
Ballmer has no vision. He's a salesman running a tech company. Make Ray Ozzie or someone like that the CEO
- Stephen Pickering
@Stephen: Right -- all the way back when he was selling it on TV.
- John Taschek
Anyone remember this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- John Taschek
cloud appliance market is really starting to get interesting..wonder what Gartner had to say about that.
- Jim Posner
I love the Mac. These days, I'm less beholden to Microsoft because of business needs. MS Access and Outlook are the only tools I really need from Microsoft today.
- Alex de Soto
Jim: what kind of appliances are catching your attention?
- Robert Scoble
Ha @John that's hilarious! Thanks for the link.
- Stephen Pickering
cast iron, cloudburst, datapower are a few on my radar but many more are coming on the market
- Jim Posner
@John very funny! It slices...it dices...
- Alex de Soto
Robert - my coffeepot had my attention this morning ... *sorry - I couldn't help myself* ...
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia: heh! Mine too!
- Robert Scoble
Layer 7 is suppose to be doing some interesting stuff as well
- Jim Posner
Money is power - they don't want to let that go ... ;-)
- Xenophrenia
unfortunately it is leaving them whether they want it to or not (power that is)
- Xenophrenia
I agree.
- Robert Scoble
Damn they should have kept WebTV and iterated that all these years. By now it would kick ass
- Stephen Pickering
XBox running Netflix is the closest MSFT have
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: but a $59 Roku does that very well. So why buy a $300 Xbox?
- Robert Scoble
They should start a huge investment fund and become a holding company that pays dividends. They are already pay dividends so they're part of the way there.
- John Taschek
AppleTV lets me play any content on any of my Macs onto my TV...
- Rob La Gesse
But MS doesn't iterate quickly with most products. Exceptions: Xbox and possibly docs.com (doubtful as long as they tie to commercial product.) Rest of the world is on yearly or faster.
- Ian McGee
To play games, Robert. duh.
- Kevin Marks
Slingbox for data-why does it have to be rocket science?
- Jim Posner
I didn't like that you had to have a gold account on XBox to get Netflix - (I don't game) - I now have a $400 Acer Aspire with HDMI attached to our plasma ...
- Xenophrenia
Kevin: most users don't play games.
- Robert Scoble
Content needs to follow the user: on mobile, on TV, on computer, on the coffee pot...
- Alex de Soto
most 3rd party boxes plugged into TVs play games.
- Kevin Marks
Robert, the video game industry is a lot bigger than the movie industry.
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin: really? I thought most third party boxes are DVD drives.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: not true. In money, yes, but NOT in numbers of users.
- Robert Scoble
oh no - not on the coffee pot - I'd be glued to it for far too long if it had Netflix ;-) ... especially when I first wake up and I'm easily captivated
- Xenophrenia
Looks like Netflix is going to the streaming only model in the US.
- Jim Posner
Rob: remember, you can see a movie for $8, but a Halo copy is $59.
- Robert Scoble
well, the game boxes tend to be DVD or blu-ray drives too
- Kevin Marks
RObert - I don;t spend 200 hours on a movie though...
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin: it is in my home, but we're not the average consumers.
- Robert Scoble
hourly rate is often better for games
- Kevin Marks
Now Netflix is an app on the Wii. Don't need a disc to play.
- Alex de Soto
Rob: the most played game on my Xbox is stuff like Zuma. On iPad? Angry Birds.
- Robert Scoble
Content providers are lucky more people don't know computers very well - or more would just do what I do ..
- Xenophrenia
I'll be glad when blu-ray discs are gone. The whole loading experience sucks.
- Alex de Soto
Rob: I'm not saying games aren't a huge industry. They are. But if Microsoft wants to grow market they've gotta get non-gamers.
- Robert Scoble
Casual gaming on the xbox seems to be non-existent..xbox arcade is not very compelling
- Jim Posner
They have to get the content providers to loosen their grip - I don't see that happening any time soon ...
- Xenophrenia
Jim: really? I know some developers doing very well selling casual games on xbox.
- Robert Scoble
Don't you think that in the future the platform will be the internet itself? And the phase we're going through now is one that is just legitimizes the net to mainstream?
- Stephen Pickering
I spend more time on the iPad gaming than the xbox..really not a compelling platform to me for casual gaming.
- Jim Posner
Any comments on coming app store at Apple?
- Alex de Soto
Can ipad be the new windows if it's only available from one vendor?
- Todd Hoff
Airplay?
- Stephen Pickering
Todd: good point, but I think it can be dominant. It already is forcing Starbucks to play its game rather than play Ballmer's game.
- Robert Scoble
Starbucks is playing the HTML5 game 'cos that covers apple + android + laptops
- Kevin Marks
When we get to the points that networks run seamlessly ... ? ... hmmm ... I get the feeling that will be awhile ...
- Xenophrenia
Kevin: true, but Android is Flash-compliant. If the world was Android and Laptops, he would have used Flash.
- Robert Scoble
What's a commercial, John?
- Kevin Marks
Android is <10% flash compliant
- Kevin Marks
it is AirPlay, Stephen - and it transfers a running stream from iDevice to AppleTV without a laptop involved http://www.apple.com/appletv...
- Jerome Hughes
(coming soon_
- Jerome Hughes
Danny, and most all of their customers
- Jerome Hughes
Seems like companies like ATT will eventually become personal data service providers..much live the pvr component on the set top box
- Jim Posner
@Kevin - good point. I don't know what a commercial is.
- John Taschek
I could try FaceTime instead...
- Kevin Marks
OK everybody. This weekend, forget Microsoft, Google and Apple and coffee pots. Just Go Phillies!!! ;)
- Alex de Soto
RIM's profit nearly doubled last quarter, their sales have grown at double digit pace the last 4 years even in the teeth of the iPhone
- Stephen Pickering
IPad has a ATT uverse app that is very functional..
- Jim Posner
Ipad will dominate because so many people don't want to think ... I like the Ipad but I don't like how it encourages 'non-thinking' to some degree ... it's like slowly leading a herd of sheep into the pen
- Xenophrenia
@alex - GIANTS!
- John Taschek
it's the hottest raffle prize at a IT conferences
- Jerome Hughes
Next year you'll see a 40/40/20 mix of iPads/Android/Playbook Tablets at the Gartner Conf.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
why is the business community still so attached to blackberry?
- Sandra
Xenophrenia -- compared with what? TV? iPhone?
- Ian McGee
Doesn't Jobs own a huge part of Disney?
- John Taschek
And the iPad doesn't work well at Disney?
- John Taschek
FT - iPad sales fail to hit forecasts http://bit.ly/9ta4ub
- cliveb
next year's new tablets will compete with an iPad that's beyond the current one
- Jerome Hughes
Keyword for iPad is convergence
- Jim Posner
People tend to be like crows and some species of rats - bright shiny objects are irresistible .... ;-)
- Xenophrenia
32% of iPad users haven't installed apps
- Kevin Marks
web browser is the killer app for iPad so far
- Jim Posner
Killer app this week for me has been MLB.com on the iPhone.
- Alex de Soto
The type of tablet you have will be a status symbol .. unfortunately
- Xenophrenia
That's a sign of failure of App Stores to me....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Web browsing is horrible on the iPad
- Stephen Pickering
In 5 years your augmented/diminished realty computer system will be displayed directly onto your eyes and all this pad/phone talk will seem quaint. There are a lot of disruption points coming in the future and it will all change again.
- Todd Hoff
In 5 years? ... not so sure about that ... eventually ... but I don't think it will be in 5 years
- Xenophrenia
Always with the batteries...
- Ian McGee
They have MS Surface! ;-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
browser is good enough on the iPad..meets most of my casaul reading requirements..having a held held browser trumps the short comings
- Jim Posner
or perhaps it's that enterprise has a new girlfriend
- Jerome Hughes
But it will be an A world. The new windows is Android
- Stephen Pickering
expensive phones correlate well with expensive coffee
- Kevin Marks
I think a lot of the 'big' companies are nervous - about the internet
- Xenophrenia
Xeno, right the future, long term is the internet as platform
- Stephen Pickering
Agree Kevin. Android users look for more value I believe which correlates to general Open Source pricing.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Apple is a status symbol - that's why everyone wants one ... at least a large part of it
- Xenophrenia
Well they make great products, the best, and so their brand is the most valuable in the World. Only Google's brand has the clout to challenge them
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen - I agree ... I'd like to have Apple stuff if I could afford them ... because I like well made things ... but a lot of people use them to show off how 'well' they are doing ... mostly because that's the type of society we live in at the moment
- Xenophrenia
FYI, the methodology of that "32% of iPad users haven't downloaded 1 app" is already being called into question: Too small sample size, no info about possible jailbroken/rooted devices, etc.
- Alex Schleber
Until Salesforce et al solves the collections problem, the Microsoft stack is intact http://scoble.it/cAD3Q1
- cliveb
Facebook alternative Diaspora eyes launch date - BBC News - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...
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"An open alternative to Facebook will be launched on 15 September, the developers of the project have said."
- Kol Tregaskes
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Looking forward to this, been looking forward to this for a while now.
- Kol Tregaskes
Green Day - Boulevard Of Broken Dreams ♫ http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Facebook's tag a friend anywhere feature is not a bug. But it sucks, here is why. #Cinch: http://www.cinchcast.com/scoblei...
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Gillmor Gang, special time 1:30pm PT. Chat here at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Waiting for the call!
- Robert Scoble
so whats on the todays Agenda?
- Nick Halstead
Nick: you! :-) Seriously.
- Robert Scoble
I am here. Where is everybody?
- Francine Hardaway
lol - my ears are burning already
- Nick Halstead
Coming online shortly.
- Robert Scoble
So, Nick, can DataSift get rid of anyone talking about Fast Company's influence project or SXSW Panels?
- Robert Scoble
yes
- Nick Halstead
Awesome!
- Robert Scoble
you can build rules to remove as well as find
- Nick Halstead
finally found a way to use the Wibiya toolbar-- to watch GG
- Francine Hardaway
Here we go
- Kevin Costain
Oh sweet, Andrew Keen. An Educated Man
- Francine Hardaway
check this rule I tweeted -> http://twitter.com/DataSif... - finds all ISBN numbers - no idea why you would want to do it - but its geeky :)
- Nick Halstead
Would love to get rid of the FC Influence project
- Francine Hardaway
I'm not sure if having Platforms and Service Providers talking together behind close doors really IS a good thing. These discussions need to be done in the public forum.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Steve went soft for a minute
- Francine Hardaway
hehe
- Robert Scoble
I hope the Oracle lawsuit gets discussed.
- Jim Posner
Jim: I'm sure it will.
- Robert Scoble
And in 5 years, mobile will be much more robust and relevant WHILE Broadband will be less relevant.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
And Facebook needs some credit to still stand against this direction.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert- I am curious about your thoughts about J. Schwartz using the Google suit as a honey pot for the Oracle acq.
- Jim Posner
Google/ Verizon didn't pass a law, they agreed on a proposal for a framework.
- coldbrew
coldbrew: yes, but what they say publicly is important in terms of direction. Laws come after proposals and public stances. Google has lots of people lobbying government.
- Robert Scoble
evidently Verizon does not want me to watch this in real time. I can't get the video to work at all. ca I'll tryi and pick it up on ustream on the phone.
- Karoli
Well, good lord, I am glad you are using your distribution to help make it more publicly known.
- coldbrew
karoli: this is a ~500kbps stream, and 3G networks still only do that well in bursts.
- coldbrew
Jim: I'mnot sure I have a good opinion or visibility onto that. What do you think? Jonathan seems to have used it to get out of Sun and get Sun out of a bad spot in the marketplace. Sun wasn't going to be a major player long term and Jonathan seemed to know that.
- Robert Scoble
"Verizon cracking the whip on Google." So the carriers are still in charge. I thought that was over.
- Francine Hardaway
Keen: those types of suppositions are not helpful and simply red herrings.
- coldbrew
Robert-Miguel de Icaza's blog has some interesting comments on Schwartz http://tirania.org/blog... must read if you haven't
- Jim Posner
@Francine - ISPs/Carriers are always in charge.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I spoke to an ATT field guy yesterday day and he told me ATT will be and is getting away from cable and moving to WiMax.
- Jim Posner
Posner: Really? Not LTE?
- coldbrew
Jim: yes, that's a must read. I already had retweeted that.
- Robert Scoble
clearwire is also looking at lte
- coldbrew
It would be best if we are not left with a double standard where we rehash the CDMA /GSM game and continue to compound that with frequency differences (there is no 3G data for the iphone on Tmob's network). Switching costs are not low enough to engender competition.
- coldbrew
David Bois also adds weight to the case. Surprised he took it.
- Jim Posner
Another good article on Google vs. Oracle: http://www.groklaw.net/article...
- Robert Scoble
there is a Sun JDK license cost for the ARM platform
- coldbrew
JQuery is Javascript
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
how do you gauge revenue for search marketing distribution in the 'local 'space?
- coldbrew
Thanks Mark.
- Robert Scoble
thus the "J"
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Google doesn't get "social" because they have too many PHd's - they are NOT the most social people on the planet
- Rob La Gesse
there is still interest in the Wave Protocol; SAP and Novell both were developing compatible products
- coldbrew
I love the idea of DataSift. Get it done, dude
- Francine Hardaway
Novell should completely take over Wave IMO...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
i'd rather see it become an apache project
- coldbrew
stream is strong today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dont talk Tina. You will jinx it
- Francine Hardaway
Who wants to give the newly crowned "evil Google" even more personal data?
- Rob La Gesse
the point here is - that the twitter stream / facebook stream - is data about what is important on the internet
- Nick Halstead
Google still relies upon pagerank - links between pages
- Nick Halstead
And people don't go to pages anymore unless they've gone to Twitter or FB first
- Francine Hardaway
But Google could be an Aggregation/Search Layer on top of these other Social Tools.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@manielse - but they will never own that data - and that would destroy them long term
- Nick Halstead
Wave was potentially their winner in the social space -- they don't seem to understand though.
- Brian Sullivan
But they didn't provide a use case or an interface Brian
- Francine Hardaway
Wave was in a different social space that nobody else is in -- corporate collaboration.
- Brian Sullivan
As I said Francine they didn't understand.
- Brian Sullivan
That would have been a long sales cycle:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Maybe Nick. Most of that data has a very small lifecycle of relevance though.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
personally, my interest in Wave was not in any way related to google other than their engineers contributing
- coldbrew
Is Google buying twitter completely off the table?
- Jim Posner
Small business is all about collaboration though.
- Brian Sullivan
i believe it is
- coldbrew
My current conpiracy theory for the end of WAVE is that they realized it would diminish part of their value proposition (in the long-run).
- coldbrew
But I can do that on Tweetdeck, big deal.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
stream splicing
- Jim Posner
Yes, Jim
- Francine Hardaway
Mark: not well, and TweetDeck isn't sharable. Can you share your searches with me? Thought not.
- Robert Scoble
So is that what Datasift is?
- Francine Hardaway
Mark: I can share any search I do on Google with you.
- Robert Scoble
Francine: according to Nick, yes.
- Robert Scoble
Good point Robert.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
If that's what it is, I cannot wait. That would take Flowtown one level deeper
- Francine Hardaway
I just want Nick to know that I signed up ASAP and really want chosen ASAP for the beta :)
- Rob La Gesse
So did I, Rob, me too.
- Francine Hardaway
yes - you can build a stream - then share it - and base your share upon someone elses stream
- Nick Halstead
Library of Congress has the original tweet, and probably a card catalogue where you can look for it LOL
- Francine Hardaway
ListiMonkey can do some of what Steve wants for Twitter Lists, albeit only as an email alert.
- Alex Schleber
Steve is definitely NOT talking about email alerts
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scoble's post from Hudson crash: http://twitter.com/Scoblei...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
GTalk, Jabber - that's where I want to see the results of my searches.
- Rob La Gesse
We really want Per User/Per Group keyword based surfacing (or muting) as described here: http://businessmindhacks.com/post...
- Alex Schleber
it is interesting to note that the original track feature from twitter was on top of xmpp, just like the wave protocol
- coldbrew
what I am looking to most - is actually Twitter Annotations - because that extra data will be able to be leveraged by DataSift immediately
- Nick Halstead
Ah everybody wants the RMM feature.
- Brian Sullivan
because so many 3rd party apps will start putting so much cool meta data - and Google wont be able to make use of it - because they only know about indexing text
- Nick Halstead
Just signed up as a Datasift alpha tester..Nick over to you..:-)
- Jim Posner
Mark, did you get Scoble's tweet back out of Friendfeed as the archive? :)
- Alex Schleber
Yes Alex. :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Sullivan seems to be humoring him
- coldbrew
Huge difference: Enterprise World vs RoW
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Nick, me,me,me,me,me!
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble - Real Time example - I am looking for a company that hosts with us that sells millions of small parts - like parts for Air Conditioners, etc. Need to use them as an example to a potential customer.
- Rob La Gesse
Gesse: a real-time feed of inventory based on a local network of junk/parts dealers
- coldbrew
I wonder if we need a personal "Business Intelligence" type tool. One that can search, aggregate different data sources, curate, compile, roll up, etc into dashboards.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert: also see this: http://twitpic.com/2ef7ln
- Richard
He's biking more....LOL
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Scoble got some summer sun, a rarity for a geek :)
- Alex Schleber
RMM again -- the holy grail of information retrieval
- Brian Sullivan
Just noticed Twitter added the "You both Follow" feature as well.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
The new Android voice app is very nice!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think the topic is about the voice recognition technologies
- coldbrew
thanks for the good stream
- coldbrew
Nice show everyone. Ta ta until next week
- Rob La Gesse
Yes nice show. Thanks everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I can't figure out why HBO won't sell entourage's new season episodes online. I want to watch but won't pay cable. Sigh! #warnerisstupid
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These are all done in Pencil.
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Impressive
- M F
Great work!
- Neya
I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
I don't believe it. Too amazing.
- Rah-PM 2012
I'm with Rah
- Shey
Only the lion looks like its drawn
- embee
The bear and rhino look drawn, too.
- Chris Charabaruk
very very talented. Wow they look like B&W pics you know photography.
- Gabriella Sannino
These are amazing, were they done by you?
- Angelo Rodrigues
Nice photographs
- Rafael Robayna
@michael, if they weren't drawn by you, at least tell us who the artist is and the link
- LouCypher
Link please?
- Jason Wehmhoener
wow
- Carolyn Chan
being slightly skeptical, i'm going to say these were done with pencil by a printer of some sorts... #justsayin
- Enrique Gutierrez
they're beautiful, but skeptical as well
- Jennifer Van Grove
Would need to see higher quality images to see if they are pencil or not - too many jpg artifacts to tell.
- Luke Addison
from twhirl
Stupefied.
- Parth Awasthi
Wow!! Yeah it's pretty amazing what they can draw with a pencil nowadays, deviantART has lots of great pencil art.
- Kol Tregaskes
Michael, who is the artist?
- Kol Tregaskes
wow, cool!
- Sarah Perez
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
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O_O WOW...Stunning
- Anna Haro
Wow, these are stunning!!
- Susan Beebe
Yes, especially the tiger. Reminds me of that "Tiger, tiger burning bright."
- Melanie Reed
Alright, Mike - I believe you. These are awesome. Good job!
- Enrique Gutierrez
HOLY CRAP.
- Chieze Okoye
no way!
- Mister Groonk
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
Wow, amazingly realistic
- Threepwood
@Michael Fidler did you draw them? How can you so sure?
- Burçak Çubukçu
That is my pencil drawing :) http://picasaweb.google.com/Burcak...
- Burçak Çubukçu
dont look like it
- Prakash
@ Michael Fidler don't push so hard :)
- Burçak Çubukçu
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
WOW "I can't believe it's in pencil"
- The Real sofarsoShawn
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
These would be great even for photos.
- Sullivan
i'm not able to comprehend
- Varun Shenoy
More comments here: http://www.bannination.com/comment...
- donato
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
fake. http://lenscratch.blogspot.com/2009... Even if your not claiming to be the artist, these are photographs, well except the woman, thats pencil
- james foor
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
wow; they're unbelieavably beautiful.
- liladreams
Has anyone ever corrected the record and pointed out, with the exception of the Charlize Theron drawing, that these are indeed photos by Alexander Von Reiswitz?
- erik weisz
Erik, thank you for bringing this up again, but I think I already mentioned something about this in my prior comment. However, since it appears that you only signed up to friendfeed to leave a single comment, (ok, why?) I will try to summarize what I wrote previously. In brief, I learned after doing a little research that all photo-realistic drawings like the ones that I shared here,...
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- Michael Fidler
Awesome
- الکامپ
I can assure you that what are claimed to be drawings of animals, in your post here, are photos. I used a website to that allows you to do an comparison of the Von Reiswitz photos and the images you have posted here. There are no differences. Every hair matches up. As a pencil artist myself I can tell you that it's pretty much impossible to get that kind of accuracy and have it look...
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- erik weisz
but... it has to be real, i saw it on the internet
- Iphigenie
Eric, it doesn't matter to me if you just joined, and I apologize if I made you think otherwise. If you have any questions regarding friendfeed, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them. At this point, I would be happy if we could find someone who is an image analysis expert, and finally point this thing to rest. Every time that I look into this, all I find is a...
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- Michael Fidler
the site spammed above must all be done in pencil too, right, thats why you posted it?
- Iphigenie
I'm amazed that people are still posting these photographs of animals and calling them pencil drawings. This is at least the third case I can remember (and there are probably more) of this happening. The myth about them being drawings was debunked long ago. It's also funny that whenever they get posted the person posting them doesn't make it clear that they aren't the artist, exactly as you have done.
- canadianmaple09
@canadianmaple09 I posted these back in March, 2009 when I was beginning to use FF regularly. I ran them through TinEye hoping to find their source, but it returned no results. When I ran through again yesterday, TinEye returned over four pages of results. If I had it to do over again, would I? Yes
- Michael Fidler
The people you refer do don't join "just to slam" someone, they are concerned members of the online art community that want to see real art appreciated and fake art or photos being passed off as drawings revealed for what they really are. Artists such as Brian Duey, Armin Mersmann, Paul Lung, Zindy Nielsen,and many others do not receive the appreciation they deserve because of scams like this.
- canadianmaple09
canadianmaple09, the worthiness of your motives notwithstanding (and they are worthy, definitely) you could definitely have approached Michael completely differently by say, giving him the benefit of the doubt rather than attacking in a highly accusatory tone.
- Chieze Okoye
When you've seen these same pictures posted multiple times by people that just find them on the internet and claim they are pencil drawings, when it has already been established on multiple occasions that they are not, the "benefit of the doubt" approach seems a little too generous. People post these images and claim they're drawings to get views for their own site or blog or page or whatever it is they post it on. It's wrong and it needs to be stopped.
- canadianmaple09
I can understand that, but you should also keep in mind that everyone is not as well-versed in the issue as you are. All I'm saying is that you would probably be more effective in this case if you weren't setting this up as a us-vs.-them, "must destroy with the validity my argument!" attitude when talking to a guy who's been actively having a discussion on the issue in what seems to me (having been around when he first posted the images and the follow up thread and what not) to be good faith.
- Chieze Okoye
Look at his first comment here. People clearly thought he drew them. He doesn't set the record straight. He also claims that they "are actually pencil drawings" and that "I have more drawings too." Later he claims that you need to look at them closer to see they are drawings and that he will "post the originals". Once again, this makes it sound like they are his. This follows the same...
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- canadianmaple09
Greg and Chieze, thanks for your support. I really appreciate it. @canadianmaoles09, for what it’s worth, I share your concerns about giving proper attribution when sharing also. However, I admit that I'm more conscious of it now than I was at the time of this post. Nevertheless, I have never taken credit for anybody's work here other than my own!
- Michael Fidler
BTW, I didn't realize it before, but I just noticed that you're new here too. I hope you like it so far and spend more time here. IMO, friendfeed is still the best thing around!
- Michael Fidler
I would probably qualify as an image analysis expert, but there's no way to prove that online. One thing we can do is look at color. Even though the images are black and white,they're actually RGB images, meaning they contain cyan magenta and yellow. If you look at the image of the rhino you have posted then look at the photo of the rhino at the photographer's site you can see they both...
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- erik weisz
Amazing choir (Perpetuum Jazzile) uses their hands to simulate storm - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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at my brother's wedding :) http://twitpic.com/16lixy
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This picture is cool. Blurry, yet with very striking colors. Almost like a painting. Helps that the bride and groom are good-looking of course. Congratulations. :)
- Meryn Stol
Opening Ceremonies for Vancouver 2010 (The Big Picture) http://www.boston.com/bigpict...
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I posted 50 photos on Facebook in the album "ליגת נייק- באוור 23.1.10" http://www.facebook.com/album...
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The Cloud Is Within Reach From the Air - http://blog.louisgray.com/2010...
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Shiny.
- DGentry
Nice!
- Jorge Escobar
So Louis, what are some of the challenges to getting your media into the cloud? I can make some guesses.
- Bruce Lewis
1. Few sites are geared for uploading massive quantities of media effortlessly.
- Bruce Lewis
2. Because of (1), you end up having to do a big part of the workflow locally (non-cloud), i.e. choosing what to put up.
- Bruce Lewis
3. (2) is such an intimidating task that it's hard to ever get to it.
- Bruce Lewis
1 and 2. Where do you think I should put 60 GB of iTunes and 25 GB of iPhoto? And Gmail isn't big enough for my e-mail and doesn't support its hierarchy.
- Louis Gray
Why an Air and not a 13 inch Macbook Pro with an SSD?
- Benjamin Golub
Dropbox, but to avoid using 85GB locally you would need to delete lots of stuff, then use their versioning feature to selectively undelete as needed. What ever happened to the Coda filesystem? That would be perfect.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Google Docs now supports uploading any kind of file. And GBs are so cheap. I personally use Dropbox. When Dropbox gets sync with Google Docs feature, my dreams will come true.
- Eren Emre Kanal
I can't wait until dropbox allows for choosing what you want to go to each machine. My temp solution is to have two account. One free 2GB and the 50(for now)GB. Then I create a share with stuff I want from any machine. It's messy but will have to do for now. I used lala.com as my backup before. It will be interesting to see if and when iTunes will use the technology.
- metalerik
Interested to see how this turns out. It's going to be a preview of the Chrome OS experience.
- Matt M (inactive)
Erik's solution sounds better than mine.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Ben, I did get the SSD for the Air. This move was also about form factor. (Sounds silly, but this is much better)
- Louis Gray
Matt, the idea is to transition close to Chrome OS without using Chrome OS. And today, my preference is Safari over Chrome (but I do have it on the new machine). If Chrome or Safari integrated Spotify, that'd be one more app I wouldn't need. :)
- Louis Gray
Awesome. I'll bet we'll see a big push to HTML5 offline apps once the first Chrome OS devices arrive, but not much until then. There will need to be a flagship offline app (beyond the current docs/reader stuff), IMHO.
- Matt M (inactive)
It does sound silly. The thinness of the Air doesn't seem worth the cost and other sacrifices to me. If you couldn't get the Pro with an SSD then I wouldn't think it's so silly. Can the Air go places the 13 inch Pro can't?
- Benjamin Golub
It can, Ben. It can fit between books and behind couches better than the Pro. It can fit in manila folders. :) Ideally, I wanted an Air with at least 256 GB SSD, but so far, that doesn't yet exist. I like this model anyway.
- Louis Gray
Cristo, my data is backed up on a Time Capsule. It's not elegant, but it works. A Mini would be one good option, and a Drobo is another.
- Louis Gray
I've seen a lot of people w/issues using Time Capsule on the Apple forums (dropped connection -> corrupted disk). The USB Time Machine connections work reasonably well for me, as long as I remember to plug it in when I dock it at my desk at night.
- Matt M (inactive)
Susan Beebe to Susan's feed, The Goodie Room, The Next Web Europe, Social Media, Firefox Browser, All Things Google, Google, Unofficial Google Discussion Zone, Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft Talk
Browser wars visualized in colorful concentric circles [dynamic #infographic] - http://www.susanbeebe.com/data...
Naor Mark, Ronald, Yuriy Hvozdovych and 19 other people liked this
That is cool! Wish it had more up to date than August of last year.
- Lindsay
Just me or does this look like the Firefox logo a little bit?
- Vinny
@Vinny i saw the same thing
- Cass
I thought that was intentional. heh.
- Lindsay
Firefox! it is.
- Micah
It is intentionally made to look like the Firefox logo.
- Will Higgins™
It does look like the Firefox logo...
- TrafficBug
OH via GTalk: I need to smoke and go to bed. In that order, since I'm single.
Bret Taylor, Zu from AOD, Naor Mark and 2 other people liked this
In that order? Really? Because I thought you were smoking in bed just the other day.
- Jim Norris
OH = over heard. Meaning it was said to me on GTalk, Jim Norris. I'm telling your mom you are starting inappropriate rumors! cc Anne Bouey
- Mona Nomura
Save that stuff for AdultFriendFeed.
- Jim Norris
Did you write some fancy-schmancy inverted indexing or search query optimization code that crawls through Facebook employee folders and aggregates all the, you know, adult stuff? :P
- Mona Nomura
Mona, did you know about that or were you just throwing a wild guess? :)
- Tudor Bosman
It's something you two would TOTALLY do. You probably banged something out in like, five minutes, and Jim went in and made it even more ridiculous. #teamwork ps: I don't even want to know what your super duper insane crazy crawler thingie has pulled up. #SCARED
- Mona Nomura
"You probably banged something out in like, five minutes"? I think Jeanette might have something to say about that. And I swear I have neither "gone in" nor made anything more ridiculous. So stop talking about my crawler thingie already, however super duper insane crazy it might be. Perv.
- Jim Norris
GYM GNORRIS YOUR THE PERV. And quit instigating. I'm tattling. cc Anne Bouey
- Mona Nomura
What? AdultFriendFeed? Gross. You're a perv, too, Chris White! ;)
- Mona Nomura
TMI!
- Anne Bouey
Jim Norris is officially on timeout. #10minutesinthecorner
- Louis Gray
RT @antderosa: ESPN has announced ESPN 3D, a network which will broadcast at least 85 live sporting events in 3D in it's first year.
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GoogleAtWork: More Google Sites updates: Preview PDFs in Google Docs & Set a default location for a page template http://bit.ly/5Dglps - http://twitter.com/GoogleA...
Jakala, Naor Mark and Jannifer @wordsforliving liked this
Ooooh awesome!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Ahh, now we learn what I meant by "locked down." You will only be able to run Google's Chrome OS on new machines made for it.
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