Thank you all *so* much! You're all so awesome!!!
- David Cook
from fftogo
This is nice to see...a great reminder that no matter how bad things get with the economy, etc., life indeed goes on. :) Congratulations and many blessings!
- Dawn
seriously guys, I can honestly not recommend this enough...if you run a wordpress blog. Download and try this out for one hour - you wont regret it.
- Zee.
Do you know if it grabs comments originated from Google Reader shares?
- Mathieu Ayel
I don't believe so no, unless of course they come through to Friendfeed. I dont believe Google provides a way to access comments within Google Reader yet
- Zee.
Mathieu: I think Google Reader comments are private -- I'll have to look into that.
- Christopher Golda
thx Zee/Chris. I haven't seen a GReader comment popping out in FF yet... And there is no Google Reader API available as far as I know. A little annoying to have these comments lost in a walled garden so to speak.
- Mathieu Ayel
Looks great! I'm going to try this out on my wordpress blog.
- Jorg Jansen
@Christopher Golda: That's insane! Great work.
- KyleHase
Can you reply to a comment back out onto FF/Twitter?
- Mathieu Ayel
Mathieu: Not yet, but that's something we expect to add in the next version: "cc comment to FF/Twitter."
- Christopher Golda
I love the automated syndication but I vastly prefer the look (and functionality) of Disqus comments to the ones you run on your site. I wish I could have my cake and eat it too.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'm not so sure about pulling all conversations back into the blog. I like many different "disconnected" conversations around the same article.
- Meryn Stol
What would matter to me more is to see the different conversations aggregated. List all conversations: On digg, on reddit, on FF, AND local on the blog.
- Meryn Stol
Daniel, The Amber: Our plugin adopts whatever theme the blog is using so you can make the comments appear however you like. The functionality of Disqus is great -- I think it simply comes down to your preference. If pulling in comments from FF, etc is important, or you want to customize the look and functionality of your comments (with many plugins), then this is the way to go. Otherwise, Disqus offers a great replacement comment system.
- Christopher Golda
Disqus offers comment by email, email notifications of replies, comment upvoting, and several other things that I'd be missing if I picked up BackType. I am happy to use BackType to track my comments and pipe them into FF, but I don't see how it can replace a robust commenting system like Disqus yet. I'd almost be tempted to use them side by side if I could figure out a way to make it look right.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
You can use our plugin with Disqus, but it will only show the "Summary" at the top of the comments section. It will not be able to insert comments. Disqus has their own solution you can try, but it's different than what we offer.
- Christopher Golda
The only hack I've been able to dream up so far is 1) install disqus WP plugin 2) leave WP comments turned on by default 3) disable WP comments from actual visitors 4) enable backtype/wp sync including social mentions. That *should* give me the goodness of Disqus comments alongside the backtype streaming, but I have a feeling there would be a few stumbling blocks if I actually tried to make it work. At this point, I am comfortable hoping for one of your services to subsume the other.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Meryl, Shey: I also agree, but it depends on the blog. That's why we've included settings to choose which sources you want to include. I anticipate lots of people preferring tweets in "Summary" mode. Meryl: I'm confused with your aggregation comment -- our plugin aggregates and displays all comments from digg, reddit, ff, and the local blog.
- Christopher Golda
Christopher: I meant that I think it's relevant to know what conversation a comment is part of. I don't see all comments as part of the same conversation. I like the fact that on FriendFeed, multiple threads around the same article can emerge. I like having conversations with friends (or at least loose ties) better than with strangers. Also, multiple conversations means the individual conversations/threads can remain small, and thus overseeable.
- Meryn Stol
If I were to pull in all comments from everywhere, I at least group those comments by the thread they are part of. Sometimes, a service only supports one thread around an article (I believe digg and reddit don't allow duplicate submissions) but FF allows for multiple. (Oh yeah, btw, I'm a big FriendFeed fan :D)
- Meryn Stol
Why not do something like: "Conversations around this article: On this blog | on Digg | on Twitter | FF 1 | FF 2 | FF 3 | FF 4". These conversations would be shown in tabs.
- Meryn Stol
FF 1 would point to the first conversation on FF, FF 2 to the second, etc. They do not indicate individual comments.
- Meryn Stol
Let me stress that while I like *multiple* and "disconnected" conversations, I also believe in the value of showing them all in one place. That's why I'm suggesting tabs or something similar.
- Meryn Stol
lets be fair though, this is version 0.1 of the plugin
- Zee.
Zee: If I didn't have so much faith in the Backtype team, I wouldn't bother to give advice. :) Backtype can play a very important role in the conversation ecosystem.
- Meryn Stol
Same here. I'm not bashing BackType, I'm very excited by it and I'm letting Christopher know exactly what it would take to get me to install it on my blog. Free customer feedback!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Meryn: Thanks so much for the great feedback. We talked about a number of the ideas you brought up and decided that for the first release we'd just have the options to only have the summary, mix all the comments together, and have the related comments at the end after all the comments from the native blog. I think we'll be strongly considering a lot of your ideas above in the future.
- Mike Montano
@Mike: What's the best place for us to leave these types of feedback ideas?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: This is great, we read everything here, on our own blog and wherever else we can. We also recently setup a Get Satisfaction page: http://getsatisfaction.com/backtyp... -- if you want to discuss something at length feel free to email me anytime mm [at] backtype
- Mike Montano
is this the same or different than the Wordpress My Comments Elsewhere plugin?
- Lou Paglia
Lou: It's different -- MCE provides digest posts of activity, a widget and a page showing all your comments -- BTC shows connected conversations from other blogs, Twitter, FF, Digg, etc inline with your own. Hope that helps!
- Christopher Golda
@Chris thanks, will check it out; was having Digest output issues with the Elsewhere plugin anyway
- Lou Paglia
ah, just realized this isn't going to work with Disqus, wish I read the whole thread first. would love to use this for full integration but like the Disqus comment management system to replace it.
- Lou Paglia
Disqus is doing something similar with "Social Media Reactions." Try that :)
- Christopher Golda
Christopher, I couldn't get that working. It's all set up but no comments coming in from FriendFeed on a test post. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Couldn't get Disqus working or our plugin? If the latter, point me to the post and I'll look into it for you
- Christopher Golda
Jesse: you can add a tag as a word in a comment. Here's my tag for this post, for instance: salt lake city jesse -- now go and search for any of those words and it'll pull up this post.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, comments are comments - do we want to be polluting those as well? Another thing FriendFeed needs is people-tagging, so you get notified if I want you to see something and you're following me.
- Jesse Stay
I should add that Twitter needs these things too, but I've given up on Twitter doing anything revolutionary in a timely manner.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse: I am in strong belief that Twitter will add support for pics after a decade or few... then they'll start considering video support ;)
- Jemm
Jesse: I agree with you, but sort of disagree too. I'd far rather have track than tagging of items or people. But I want those too.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, you're just right with this feature request. To really work on all this information you've got on friendfeed, we need tags. Comment's are great but not enough to refer back, even if their are searchable
- Gilles Meiers
Android tip: To get realtime FriendFeed notifications on your phone, enable IM (http://friendfeed.com/about/im), then login to gtalk from Android. Now if only the IM app supported per-user ringtones...
its going to be ALL about the feed if they want to monetize it with search and bring context - looks neat!
- Mrinal Desai
When will it be available for mortals like us? Is it me or Facebook is going after friendfeed more than twitter?...
- João Almeida
Hopefully this makes it easier to have "acquaintances". People I knew from high school that I never talk to technically aren't my friends and I don't care what they are doing... but I still want there to be some kind of connection.
- Daniel Sims
That filtering already exists within the Feeds section, but the PITA is categorizing friends if you've acquired a bunch and haven't yet created lists.
- Cecyl Hobbs
...and currently you can only filter out individual people, not lists.
- Daniel Sims
Hm...unless they recently updated the code, I can filter my Live Feed based on the lists that I've setup. I can also filter out who gets my status updates - both people and lists.
- Cecyl Hobbs
I suppose you could add most of your real friends into one main list, but like you said, that is a PITA... and your feed will just default back to viewing everyone. I think FriendFeed has spoiled me :)
- Daniel Sims
You can see a sneak preview of this in your friends tab.
- Daniel W. Crompton
and if each of those "objects" is a byte, then all of Amazon S3 fits on an iPod. impressive statistic FAIL. :-D i know, i know, the average object is *probably* bigger than a byte, but the slide deck didn't say.
- Karim
I personally have about 1K of objects on S3 weighing in at about 40GB so far... Wouldn't fit on an iPod or I'd just use one instead.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I have nothing bad to say about S3, Lindsay -- i'm just saying that 40 billion unspecified *somethings* is not really impressing me. the author might as well say that "S3 made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs." :-D
- Karim
It is not as much the absolute number but the growth trend that is important
- Werner Vogels
I gather that was the point of the slide that had the statistic :-) not that "tripled in size!!!" is *that* much more meaningful on a computer when you don't know what the units are :-) but the tweet mentioned the number of objects only.
- Karim
perhaps anticipating this objection, the keynote's author included a Bertrand Russell quote as one of his slides: "Everything is vague to a degree you do not realize till you have tried to make it precise." he then listed "object size" on a "What don't we know?" slide. :-) I haven't decided whether a slide designed to impress people with a growth rate is deceptive if you later...
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- Karim
"and if each of those "objects" is a byte" - you missed the point. What's interesting here is the growth rate as Werner said, but as important is S3's ability to address that many objects. Infinite disk doesn't mean anything if you can't provide a sufficient address space
- Bill de hÓra
Bill, neither Werner's tweet NOR the blog post NOR the keynote slide deck to which both refer said *anything* about S3's "address space." Not that your comment is irrelevant or anything.
- Karim
"as i was working through several scenarios for cloud computing this week, it hit me. right now there are three serious players in the mix. and, IMO, only one actually 'gets it.'"
- MikeAmundsen
from Bookmarklet
Rackspace? Amazon? GoGrid? Google? Microsoft? Which one?
- Robert Scoble
I think Amazon will be the market leader with his most felxible and well outthought service. Google AppEngine is left behind here, as long as they support only python (and pearl soon). Rackspace + GoGrid: Have no opionion on them yet, had to research a bit.
- natadd
from twhirl
Rackspace's 'Mosso' service has the advantage of being relatively 'similar' to a dedicated box / web hosting account. You don't have as much complexity as Google's App Engine or Amazon's cloud such that anyone with a relatively simple understanding of hosting can set up websites, email, etc. Of course you also loose some things (like shell access and some more advanced functionality).
- Andrew Leyden
i think the long-term success is one that eliminates the focus on hardware and software completely. it seems logical now to think that Amazon has the advantage: closest model of 'today' and most options. problem i see is that the 'today' model will not stay viable long term. both MSFT and GAE eliminate the hardware thinking. IMO, that's the first step. ...
- MikeAmundsen
the really long-term bet is not just eliminating hardware, but also 'software.' this can take a while (5-10 yrs), but there will be a point where we don't program machines, we program the internet. we don't use 'software', we use the internet. for now GAE comes the closest to that that model. and that's why i see it as echoing the future more reliably than others.
- MikeAmundsen
Here's the video I did yesterday with Edwin who shows me what Feedly is all about. Edwin talks about the real time web (Steve Gillmor alert) and demos the latest.
- Robert Scoble
This is really great. I tried Feedly when it was released around the FF 3.0 release and struggled with it's magazine metaphor. I was very much used to the inbox metaphor of google reader. However, the new real-time search integration with Friendfeed and Twitter is amazing. It has really become a conversation awareness tool for browsing.
- Dave Senior
Used Feedly before. Gonna have to give it a look again. The idea of everything in one place is very appealing.
- Paul Wade
Not to mention the great little Feedly mini bar at the bottom of every page - easy to share, tweet, email whatever you find - even outside of Feedly. INtegration with delicious, tumblr, google reader, friendfeed - it's fantastic
- James Hull
off to have another look. I was using Feedly for a while till I switched to Chrome.
- Sharon Hurley Hall
Just to add here to the love - the documentation is kind of confusing at first. There are a ton of great shortcut keystrokes that I've been able to find - 'd' while reading an article, automatically opens up the delicious tagging extension (if you have it installed) - 'gg' will open a window with quick access to your feeds, and so on
- James Hull
I love feedly use it all the time especially the new features
- Kim Landwehr
Cool. I got here from the Feedly mini that popped up while I was reading Scoble's blog post about this.
- Tom Landini
I really want it to figure out the most popular posts for me though. The digest should show conversations like Kosmix does, based on my FF/twitter/digg/reddit friends.
- Brandon Titus
Wow, when I tried Feedly I wasn't using FF actively. Integration with FF is really nice. Still a bit confusing in buttons
- bnoise
Been having fun playing with the new Feedly mini. Not working consistently on sites, and I have yet to click a link in Twitter and have the Twitter integration kick in. Still a very nice little tool.
- Sean Brady
Feedly is very good. I just wish I could use it on Safari.
- Louis Gray
Sean: re: consistency. we are adding a button to manually pop up in the cases where the metadata does not pass the "interesting" bar. Regarding twitter, can you please open a bug on getsatisfaction.com/feedly and let us know which twitter page you are clicking through from and if you have any other twitter extension which might interfere with the topic detection and we will track the issue down.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
thank you Louis! Today reminded me of the launch you helped us detonate back on June 16th (and hope that we have learned our lessons and nothing will backfire this time!). Thank again for the initial push!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
My social network workflow is a recursive loop of images and information that now passes between >> Feedly - Tweetdeck - Friendfeed << Feedly has become a keystone.
- Brad Kligerman
For me, Greader is to Feedly as Twitter is to Friendfeed. Rss stream provides the data source, its inertia, but it requires another workflow modality to actually begin to understand its dense, complex meaning.
- Brad Kligerman
completely automatic - if you're already signed in to those services. Freaked me out at first - but then loved it.
- James Hull
use feedly since some monthes and LOVE it! Reading much more feeds since using it. Its much more "sexy" to go through the feeds now and easy share+discuss
- natadd
from twhirl
If you're looking for the Feedly mini-bar at the bottom, try opening a new window, I've found sometimes that helps to show it. Plus, I think it only comes up on feeds that you're subscribed to, or something like that. AGain, it's not perfectly clear. The buttons for sharing with friendfeed and twitter on individual posts should appear below each headline...
- James Hull
How did I get 5 hours behind the eight ball on this?? Awesome, thanks Robert!
- Phil G
Feedly is excellent and the team work really hard to put in new features every week, and then release it!
- Scott Davies
will have to look it up, don't use firefox much anymore - but I had add ons for sharing, finding, looking up things like digg popularity - there's glue and Shareaholic and stumble upon and I forgot some of the other names. The only really new thing is the friendfeed stats, and I am of mixed feelings about it, because I wonder what effect tens of thousands of people doing a friendfeed search for every web page they visit will have on the cost and performance of the service?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Joelle Well, to me FF integration is the very useful feature of Feedly (maybe the only one). I don't know about performance issues, I suppose we can't predict it.
- bnoise
I'm reading this inside Feedly right now. Couldn't imagine keeping track of all the news without it. Hope it comes to Google Chrome.
- Kris Haamer
@joelle. nice you meet you. Next time you are in the San Francisco Bay area and have some time, please give us a heads up and we will be happy to both show you how feedly is different and is built differently.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@edwin thanks for that - although I doubt I'll be in the area soon unless i get a surprise recruitment of some sort, being in Europe. Now I can see the interest of feedly as a well integrated and featured feed page/reader, I think, it's just some of the claims in this thread were a bit... much :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
The "much" part is probably due to the euphoria of the launch (and Robert's touch!). But if you do a search for feedly on twitter you will notice that different people like/dislike different aspects of the experience (which allows us to continuously learn and improve it). If you have the chance, next time you have firefox up and running try the twitter sharing/re-tweeting feature of mini...you never know, you might be surprised!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
This is totally amazing! Fantastic work guys - not too sure what is going on under the hood, but the output is great!
- Stephen D
Just because you have taken the time to explain I will install firefox and give it a good whirl :D - the only ff i have at the moment is ff2 on the linux mininote, so i need to install ff3 somewhere
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I've been trying it since yesterday. Impressed with flexibility and ease of use. Mini is great for forwarding to others.
- Joe Buhler
from twhirl
"Rob, my personal suggestion is Perl over Python if that’s the route you’re taking. Use it with a web framework like Catalyst, and you’ve got quite a bit of power at your hands. That’s just because Perl is my preference, but both suffice, and Perl will be available for App Engine soon as well if that’s your reasoning."
- Jesse Stay
strange that RubyOnRails isnt mentioned in this article when it comes to Rapid Prototyping
- natadd
from twhirl
RubyOnRails was not mentioned because it is more than rapid prototyping. It is much more for full applications. Also, I get the feeling that Python has more momentum right now due to things like Google App Engine.
- Rob Diana
2009 will be the year that you'll always know where are your friends & family (almost). ★New in Gmail Lab - Location in Signature. Appends your location to your signature (you need to enable this from the setting also).
Facebook "likes" friendfeed feature. More metadata for facebook to study. I bet a real time web search is coming to facebook soon. - http://blog.facebook.com/blog...
This is cool... except that for some reason I feel frustrated that facebook is grabbing these cool ideas and sticking them onto there service. I can't spend more than 10 mins on facebook without pulling my hair out...
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
If you use FB as people use FF your friends from the physical world are going to throw you out of their list of friends. There's no way they want all this junk.
- Richard A.
"frustrated that facebook is grabbing these cool ideas" - FF did not invent that concept, not by a long shot. It's a good and logical solution to a situation with lots of information with many sources and many authors. The aggregator sites like digg and technorati had it, flickr favorites do the same thing, many forums have ways to do that, there even were ways to do this in BBSes and...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
As with everywhere I want to "like" on FB but I worry it would take 3 mins to load ;-)
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
I've never liked the Digg, Technorati and other style websites, far too much effort to share content.
- Richard A.
You can already see fewer things from a friend on FB. Not really as fine grained as on FF, but FB is for a different audience. Also, FB already has different views that approximate FF's lists. However, people on FB have already demonstrated they will defriend at the drop of a hat, or a fast food sandwich, as it were.
- Aspen Mayer
from twhirl
Real-time web search seems like something that would be outside of Facebook's scope given that they are a "social tool" designed to complement existing social connections. Also, were it to exist, searches would be limited to your friend's information meaning real-time search wouldn't provide much value. But who knows, maybe they are planning to expand.
- Daniel Rhodes
Pretty interesting feature. But I dont think anymore friendfeed integration is possible than through the facebook app that they have (which is currently just a dumb iframe).
- Abhishek Kumar