I was planning to violently disagree with this post based on the headline, but then I read it and found I agreed with most of it. However, I don't like the idea of shipping a release version just to get feedback - better to label it a "beta" (whatever that means these days) so savvy customers know it's not the final build, and they can have some say in what the final build looks like.
- Nick Bradbury
Wanna try to see if we can build Superfeedr in FeedDemon?
- testingsupsuperfeedr
Real-time feed updates in FeedDemon would be nice, but since FD syncs with Google Reader I'm not sure it could really benefit from Superfeedr.
- Nick Bradbury
Hum, I see... any chance you can actually "free" you up from Google Reader?
- Julien
GR sync is an important feature in FD, so I'm afraid it's not something I could drop/change.
- Nick Bradbury
The problem is, now that "content" is separated from physical media, too many people think it's no longer worth paying for. A popular (misguided) justification for pirating software, music, etc., is that the publisher/creator loses nothing when their digital work is pirated since nothing physical is being stolen. Is the real value of a CD the physical media, or the quality of the music it contains?
- Nick Bradbury
My wife saw something like this while browing last night. She showed me the "malware warning" message, and even though it was obviously fake, it was very hard to explain to her how I knew that. Seems like browser makers need to work on ways to better deal with this type of thing.
- Nick Bradbury
Shouldn't this sort of thing be prevented on the server rather than in the client app? FB has to design for the possibility of mis-behaving client apps.
- Nick Bradbury
#1 is especially true for me right now since my first pass at GReader sync was far too complicated, forcing me to completely rewrite it.
- Nick Bradbury
Spot on assessment by Anil. I'd also add that Google's continuing reliance on engineering over design is reminiscent of the Microsoft of old.
- Nick Bradbury
The whole premise seems to be that as tech changes fast (new languages/platforms), the experience > 10 years is worthless. I'd disagree. Experience in building plaftorms, systems, working in the trenches, debugging thorny issues, etc... is valuable. Languages are just tools in your toolbox.
- Steve Lacey
On the flip side, sometimes experience with older technology can slow you down when learning new technology if you expect it to work the same way.
- Nick Bradbury
And I continue to maintain that RSS is what will deliver that stream (but not necessarily in an aggregator like I built).
- Nick Bradbury
aggregators like the one you built paved the way for what's coming
- Steve Gillmor
I hope so - and hope to be in on that, too :)
- Nick Bradbury
I don't see how it can truly be a stream if somebody has to keep saying "Got anything for me yet? How 'bout now? How 'bout now? ... ". Workarounds like SUP that add "push" to RSS are just going to delay the inevitable move to HTTP push, webhooks, and XMPP.
- Ken Sheppardson
this conversation is not happening over RSS.
- Steve Gillmor
why are both TweetDeck and Seesmic Desktop so much more current than search.twitter.com on Maureen Down updates tonight? How can that be?
- Tom Guarriello
No, but it's being archived in my RSS reader.
- Nick Bradbury
And I'd prefer my RSS reader to be where I have these conversations, so I can avoid having them in so many places.
- Nick Bradbury
Aggregator = universal in/outbox = stop spreading myself over these @$% services and give me a central place for the conversation
- Nick Bradbury
agreed. dont even know how i ended up here on friendfeed, from tweetie to fbook to this... but i do think the desire for a central place is quixotic, and that we have to learn to accept the mess
- seth goldstein
FriendFeed is working just fine so far; wonder when Nick and others will jump in here
- Steve Gillmor
the mess is just as much of a mirage as the "central place". Applying virtualization moves the discussion forward
- Steve Gillmor
off to the store nice swarming with y'all
- Steve Gillmor
The fact that one happens to call their pseudo-universal inbox an "RSS Reader" or an email client or an IM client or some site-specific Air client is a sort of artificial distinction I hope we can do away with soon... I just want an inbox.
- Ken Sheppardson
Techies can accept the mess, but that leaves non-techies out of the conversation. Geeks make too many bad decisions by themselves.
- Nick Bradbury
Well, when people start publishing their blog feeds to Twitter/FF as well as or instead of RSS, we've successfully gotten rid of RSS, that might happen right?
- Colin
the more we accomplish something, the more we fashion the client. relax.
- Steve Gillmor
So email, IM, and Twitter/FF are left to combine
- Colin
FF is built on IM architecture right? So the better the FF/Twitter backend and clients get, IM might join up with Twitter/FF.
- Colin
I don't know whether it's an IM architecture per se, but the FriendFeed folks certainly have a ton of experience in the IM/email space, i.e. Google Talk and Gmail. I'm sure that gives them a bit more of a messaging-based worldview than many people thinking about how this can/should all work.
- Ken Sheppardson
PS: This is my first "real" FF conversation, and I get it now.
- Nick Bradbury