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And you thought FriendFeed was doing bad - check out Google Reader:
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Regarding FriendFeed's numbers, be sure to see here: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I forget to use Google Reader. I prefer FF
- Mike Nencetti
Also see: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that because the URL most people use for Google Reader is http://www.google.com/reader ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is right. I always use http://www.google.com/reader. You can also get feeds on http://www.google.com/ig/ Jesse, it's time for you to retire from stats mayhem.
- Louis Gray
Remember, 65.4% of all stats are made up on the spot.
- Ken Sheppardson
i use google.com/reader too
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Web 1.0 is to Web 2.0 as Alexa is to Compete.
- AJ Kohn
There will also be users coming from other countries like us here (google.ca/reader).
- AJ Batac
Louis, I'm simply sharing the same type of stats you did with FriendFeed. Who shall retire first?
- Jesse Stay
Louis shared stats for FriendFeed using the wrong URL?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, http://reader.google.com is how I access Google Reader
- Jesse Stay
See how it redirects to www.google.com/reader?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, my point is Louis's stats mean as much as mine do - there are way more factors that go into this, I agree
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, without demeaning you personally, this is false and ridiculous. FriendFeed is a domain, a specific one, and I chose the primary domain. Google Reader is a subdomain or directory, and you chose the one that, as you show, nobody uses. The Alexa data you showed for FriendFeed illustrated something that nobody is experiencing. This isn't gamesmanship. It's just wrong, again.
- Louis Gray
I have a hard time understanding the fights and points Jesse chooses to get into.....just baffling.
- Matthew DeVries
So let's take this constructively - what's a better way of comparing the two if http://reader.google.com is a bad way?
- Jesse Stay
Neither.... it's apples and oranges.
- Jason Williams
Jason - considering some use FriendFeed as a replacement for Google Reader it's not apples and oranges - they're competition.
- Jesse Stay
Really? Why on earth would anyone use FF over Reader? FF complements Reader but shouldn't supplant it. Is there really a constructive way to read rss feeds here?
- Jason Williams
Jason, many people do that - it always comes out when Scoble is threatening to leave Reader. It's also why your FriendFeed stats now show up with your Feedburner stats.
- Jesse Stay
looks like we gotta get louis to work more hours to get that chart moving in the right direction!
- Allen Stern
Amen Allen (that's the spirit)! I'd love to see more stability and more focus on core functionality, not the social features. More stats, more organizational tools, more sharing tools. Better UI. Less bugs. I would use it more if that were the case.
- Jesse Stay
Give me a better way to manage thousands of items a day and I'll read thousands of items a day. For now I've had to reduce my use due to how bulky and hard-to-manage it all is.
- Jesse Stay
for the record i rarely to never use google reader.
- Allen Stern
when friendfeed shows me full content RSS feeds instead of just title links, let me know. until then, I'll keep using Google Reader. that's the same notion that twitter is a replacement for it. I get it but it doesn't work for me.
- Bill Kinney
Jesse knows that I read more than 1,000 items per day and am connected to more than 1,000 people via shared item feeds. The graph above is not valid. Google Reader is a great complement to FriendFeed, and always has been. It's the vast majority of my feed. Reader is also, very flexibly, able to share to different sites, including Twitter and Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Yes, Bill. Jesse is just grumpy today. :) He knows better than to post data without any substance and try and get a faux argument going. He also is tempting me to post a SocialToo traffic chart and compare it to Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
i think that louis and jesse need a "time out" - both of you to your respective corners for a juice box
- Allen Stern
No way, Allen! Not when there are great injustices in this world! :)
- Louis Gray
louis i just sat through 4 hrs of city council hearings at city hall - not once did google reader or friendfeed come up :)
- Allen Stern
Jesse, the difference is that Readers traffic isn't dependent on who else is also using it. As much as Google would like it to be, it's not a social tool. I can get my FF feed in Reader but not vice versa. Do you really get your "news" from FF? It's the same thing with Twitter. People try to make it a RSS replacement but it isn't no matter how much you want it to be. 140 characters might be ok for links and quick social commentary but in depth news, not so much.
- Jason Williams
Allen, but they did mention a series of tubes, at least in passing I'm sure :)
- Micah Wittman
*thinks of how to talk Jesse down from the ledge...* Jesse, Hi :) At best you are criticizing conventional wisdom web statistics in general and mixing it with a clearly flawed swipe at Reader. ### Now, carefully, come back from the precipice and live to fight another day.
- Micah Wittman
You guys are all proving my point - that this argument is just as crazy a claim as this one is here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - you can't trust stats
- Jesse Stay
I use Feedly, which is off the back of Google Reader
- Ian May
Jesse, nobody has proven your point. The only point that has been made is that you made a mistake and tried to draw a parallel, and you failed.
- Louis Gray
Of course you can trust stats, Jesse. You just have to understand how they were collected, what they mean, and not try to use them to support some completely unrelated hypothesis. I've seen two graphs of US and global FriendFeed visitor stats that support two different statements... that US usage is down and global usage is up, respectively. The graph you've created for reader.google.com is irrelevant and immaterial, for reasons given above.
- Ken Sheppardson
I could be wrong, but a certain someone who pronounced FF as dead cited that new features in GR were going to kill it. Just sayin'. Also just sayin' - I'm with Louis on this one. The combination of Google Reader and Friendfeed have changed the game for me, bigtime.
- jcunwired
Surely not.
- Will Higgins™
I'm probably in the minority but I have replaced Google Reader with FriendFeed. Pretty much for discussions like this one. I'm not sure I find the same value in Reader, I tend to bookmark and re-visit the same sites anyway. FriendFeed brings something to the table that a bookmark just doesn't. Reader, not so much. At least not for me.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
We need a UFC match between Louis Gray and Jesse Stay. The 9-lettered names of mayhem!
- beersage
I'd like to append my last post with, I still scan GR, so the previous comments about using GR and FF together as a powerful combination--in practice, if not in heart--I'm in agreement with.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
See what happens when I stayed in GReader (and some Twitter) all day, I missed a good thread. I read/skim a little over 1,000 posts a day, I'm not sure if I read more than Louis (42,597 items in last 30 days) but it's my information center. Friendfeed use to be my place for discussions around the news, since engagement has dropped here (for me at least), I've moved back to Twitter for a fraction of that engagement (FB for friends/coworkers/family).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I never knew there was a reader.google.com
- Richard Lawler
Almost all of Google's (non-acquired) properties can do both whatever.google.com and google.com/whatever which is very smart actually.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
On the subject, I must thank Louis, Jesse and many others that act as filters on GReader BTW. When I don't have time to go through the bulk, these guys help bring the cream to the top. I try to do my part in filtering for others but I feel that it's a team effort to bring the signal to others as automated filters aren't smart enough (yet).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Funny, I cut back on my usage of both services and the graph goes down. You can blame Scoble now. I don't use Google Reader anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Don't talk about yourself in the third person.
- Mark
I blame Scoble for the drop in the Twitter chart as well then. <smirk>
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My use has gone down significantly and I'm seriously looking for the perfect solution to replace it. Hoping Seesmic or Tweetie or Tweetdeck do that soon. See: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I now know Louis's Kryptonite - criticize Google Reader ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, please don't leave Gmail, because I still need that. Thanks.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse - I agree with your April blog post 100%. I also want to mention that Google Alerts is also a helpful tool for monitoring blog posts. (And without a doubt, most of us use it.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse, kryptonite would weaken someone if it were their personal poison. I am not weakened by your inaccuracies and stubbornness. :)
- Louis Gray
Anyone know what Feedly's numbers are??
- Roberto Bonini
it is still my best organic conversational real time tool...
- Yann Ropars
Feedly is actually down 11% in Nov as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/feedly...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Is this a trend?? The holiday season and all?? What about Feedburner stats?? If RSS usage (i.e for RSS clients) is in decline (unlikely) it would show up there.
- Roberto Bonini
manieles: feedly's content is generated dynamically in the browser so the metrics you are pointing to are just metrics of our blog (most users download feedly from the mozilla (and now chrome) sites. 2009 was a good year for feedly: we grew 1,527% from Dec 08 until Dec 09. http://twitter.com/edwk...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ah, I guess that makes my comment above moot. There goes that theory.
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry Edwin, just like reader.google.com the compete numbers don't show the story of true use.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No problem Mark (it happens a lot). Roberto: Feedly is still relatively a niche service compared to Friendfeed and Google Reader so your theory could be correct. I do not have visibility into the Google Reader usage information but I can say that the underlying infrastructure keeps on getting better and innovating at a very fast pace. They have the foundation for a distributed...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sounds like what I said about FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Friendfeed is down but they are not dead. It all depends on if Facebook will decide to invest and move the service forward or not. If they do not, at some point Twitter and Facebook will have a super set of the friendfeed features and at that point their will be no turn around possible. Friendfeed sold out too early.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Jesse is having an off day. Feedly is doing fantastically. Google Reader continues to have the #1 position in RSS and things are flourishing with their social features. FriendFeed has great technology and a fantastic community, but stalled momentum. Jesse should be in better form in about 5-7 days.
- Louis Gray
Jesse are you sick *again*? I told you to eat more bacon! :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Would be interesting to see a metric that measures total number of posts having comments and likes versus total posts and compare that to the "glory days" of Friendfeed. How much different is the engagement now?
- Steve
Louis is basing his "FriendFeed is down" on faulty stats - that's the point of this thread. FriendFeed's just fine: http://staynalive.com/article... - I agree Reader and RSS are fine. So is FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, you can always use FriendFeed's advanced search to find 100 comments and likes posts.
- Louis Gray
Jesse, discussing this with you is getting boring. That post was wrong and based on data even worse than the public information I used.
- Louis Gray
Nothing on the Internet is dead until the servers are unplugged and the information is not cached elsewhere. There could be 1 unique user on a site and it still could be very useful for that one person.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, that's correct. I covered that when I said I would still find value if I were the last FriendFeeder. What's frustrating about this nonsense of a thread is that Jesse made a mistake with his graph and continues to stand by it.
- Louis Gray
As did Louis (I'm not standing by this graph - I was making a point), and he continues to stand by his (about FriendFeed traffic being down)
- Jesse Stay
Because it is down.
- Louis Gray
Louis, if you think my post is wrong, how about a post proving my points wrong
- Jesse Stay
:-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It is a waste of time. It also does not benefit me or the community to make high visibility of negativity around this site. That's why I posted what I did here previously, also knowing it tends to be written about and spun by other blogs.
- Louis Gray
I don't think Louis believes his graph is wrong - who's the stubborn one? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Congratulates Jesse and his graph for making my best of day on FF. I am not a fan of Google reader. the graph looks accurate to me and the feedback I see of GR.
- Mike Nencetti
Jesse: I am confused. It seems that the point you are trying to make is that graphs are wrong in general and that both friendfeed and RSS are fine. Is that correct?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, correct
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I believe that Compete.com data is not perfect, but it is the best publicly available data that we have. I also believe that the trends it portrays about this specific site are 100% accurate. Your data showing Google Reader at zero is laughable and an embarrassment to your reputation.
- Louis Gray
Mike, this didn't make "best of day". It made "most obtuse of the day". :)
- Louis Gray
Jesse: which metric would you use to determine if friendfeed as a service is up or down?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It is not showing it at 0 - it is showing it at very low.
- Jesse Stay
Edwin: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Google Reader's traffic is hidden within www.google.com's data. Dare I add iGoogle for RSS feeds into that picture as well. However, Friendfeed's traffic is not hidden (for US Traffic) in Compete's numbers.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse relied on Alexa data (which is the ugly stepsister of Compete.com), and he suggested that Bret Taylor's graph showing a higher percentage of international users suggested growth, when, more accurately, it portrayed that US visitors fell away at a dramatic rate.
- Louis Gray
Louis: May be you and Jesse are looking at this from different angle and are both right
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Nah. Edwin, I will always support good data. :) This is bad data.
- Louis Gray
Quantcast shows a similar decline. Every service that is respected shows a decline. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- Louis Gray
Louis, I never denied yours was based on US data. My point was FriendFeed was not down, which you claimed it to be.
- Jesse Stay
May be Friendfeed has a lot more persian users which are less active but nevertheless users. But over all Friendfeed has a lot less momentum and engagement because the early adopters have moved to twitter
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jesse, I continue to claim that global traffic worldwide, including US and non-US traffic is down, period. And even if you were right, turning this into Orkut or Friendster is not a thing to be proud of.
- Louis Gray
Jess: the problem is that down is not as important as momemtum and innovation.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, again, you're showing the wrong state re: Quantcast - click the "all" link and you'll see something more reflective. They're down in the short-term (at least in the US), but not in the long-term.
- Jesse Stay
There' nothing wrong with Alexa from a world view. Just don't mix numbers between Compete, Quantcast and Alexa. Compete clearly shows the US usage has dropped.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis, I never turned this into a comparison of Orkut and Friendster - where is this coming from?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the short term is the start of the long term. You know better than this.
- Louis Gray
I am. Those are sites dominated by non-US visitors, contrasted with Facebook and Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I disagree the short-term is the start of the long term
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: One simpler question for you: do you think that there is a chance for friendfeed to regain momentum and flourish without an engineering team behind it?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely, but I think there will be an engineering team behind it eventually
- Jesse Stay
and there is an engineering team behind it currently, or it would not be able to handle the current traffic.
- Jesse Stay
Hmm. Do you have another example to point us to? Where will the engineering come from eventually?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed is clearly transforming. It may gain momentum for a while until 'other services' catch up. However once a better wheel is made...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely not - there are numbers to prove it - whether it's still FriendFeed or transforms into Facebook, it will still be around, and serving way more than it is now.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook wanted the brainpower and that brainpower is not integrated into other facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower is still keeping FriendFeed running at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Here again. I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower still believes in FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I would listen to Edwin, and Matthew Davies, and almost everyone else in this thread.
- Louis Gray
Facebook is in a hyper competitive space, those brains are working 150% on facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
You can clearly see that the FF team is porting features into FB, they are attempting to have a friend of a friend system similar to FF. IF THEY SUCCEED, FB has become Friendfeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse, Bret is VP of Products at Facebook and working on Connect and the dev community which reaches 100x+ more people than FriendFeed does.
- Louis Gray
Louis I didn't say FriendFeed wouldn't transform into Facebook. I did say it wasn't going away and it would continue growing.
- Jesse Stay
But it is not growing, and that entire argument is dead right there.
- Louis Gray
It is growing, your argument is dead.
- Jesse Stay
I think that you are right that it is going to stay (that is a low hanging fruit) and it might grow in some geographies (like it does in Iran because of the network effect) and because it was ahead of its time in terms of conversation, the erosion will take longer but there is no doubt that with no engineering, it is a dead end.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is not growing but it's hardly dead. Wait, I'm on Louis's side on this...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AOL is investing massively to survive
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is apples and oranges - if Facebook stops growing you can start comparing it to AOL.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, that's fine. I don't think there are sides. There's what's correct, and whatever Jesse is doing.
- Louis Gray
Or whatever Louis is doing - he seems to think he's correct, which he's not (now this is getting repetitive)
- Jesse Stay
Too bad the friendfeed team did not believe in friendfeed the same way Jess believes in Friendfeed!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, the FriendFeed team saw what we all see and sold at the right time for a fantastic opportunity.
- Louis Gray
I will agree to disagree with Louis - that's about the only way I'm backing down on this. I believe passionately in FriendFeed, and I see no reason it's dying.
- Jesse Stay
Edwin look at how much the FriendFeed team uses FriendFeed - they still believe passionately in the service. They believe so as much as I do.
- Jesse Stay
(and I never said it was dying, nor did I say I don't believe in what was built here) Go find me saying that anywhere.
- Louis Gray
Jesse: would you have sold to friendfeed?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I don't get what you are saying Louis - what is your argument?
- Jesse Stay
Start from the top. (And read your DMs). The graph you show here has zero validity and it is in no way relevant to the graph you are discussing from last week, period.
- Louis Gray
All I know is that public statistics lie. Paul B knows the real answer for FF, as does Jeff Huber for GReader stats.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Okay, so your argument is that FriendFeed is declining - isn't that the same as dying?
- Jesse Stay
If you get the flu, do you always die, Jesse?
- Louis Gray
If you lose 20 pounds, is it guaranteed that you will eventually hit zero?
- Louis Gray
Louis, okay, whatever - I see no reason it's declining
- Jesse Stay
Then you are being naive and ignoring all the public data, plus anecdotal data from this site itself.
- Louis Gray
The FF sale is more than a flu, it's a handicap scenario. It makes it harder to see a perfect future.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis: I am not sure that facebook was/is a fantastic opportunity for the friendfeed team. Facebook connect is awesome but this space is still at its infancy and I am not sure that the centralized facebook/twitter model will be the model of the future. Friendfeed had the advantage of understanding search really well and being distributed at its core - great asset!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, not naive at all - I shared the public data publicly on my blog, showing backed evidence the site is still growing. Where's your rebuttal? Do I have to show this again?: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Using your links in your article, Jesse, Quantcast topped out in August and has fallen significantly since. And we already noted that the Alexa data, which is the outlier, shows a small upward trend.
- Louis Gray
Louis, your argument is it's falling short-term. My argument is that it's growing long-term. My data supports that. I'm definitely not naive and frankly I'm beginning to be offended you're calling me that.
- Jesse Stay
OK. Good discussion. I think that Louis and Jess should go get a beer and huge each other. Time to go write some code!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Yes, if you put the calendar back far enough, the trajectory is upward. Of course it is. And Edwin, I can't get Jesse to drink beer.
- Louis Gray
Great, then we agree
- Jesse Stay
I agree that if you go over a 2 year calendar, traffic to FriendFeed has increased.
- Louis Gray
I guess I missed something... I've seen (1) Quantcast and Compete charts of US reach/visitors which says domestic use is down (2) an Alexa chart that says international use is up (3) a comment and accompanying chart from Bret saying "international growth has started to completely dominate since August (4) a pretty significant shift in the FFholic Most Active user list to international users, and (5) lots of anecdotal evidence from English-speaking users saying they've seen reduced (or stable) activity.
- Ken Sheppardson
...is somebody taking exception to any of those observations?
- Ken Sheppardson
Nope. Agreed, Ken.
- Louis Gray
But the entire thread originated with the Google Reader flat line, which was a mistake.
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I think everybody's just trying to ignore that at this point ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just don't get why Jesse's trying to make this you-can't-believe-stats/charts argument. I think there's something in my list of 5 point that Jesse thinks is wrong.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse doesn't believe the Compete or Quantcast data showing a decline.
- Louis Gray
I don't think I ever agreed the above graph was correct - it was put there to show a point
- Jesse Stay
So you believe US usage is up, or not declining, Jesse?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I didn't mean you can't believe them - I mean they can often be deceptive
- Jesse Stay
Which is amusing, because the blue line here is identical to the same blue line I posted last week.
- Louis Gray
My head hurts.
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought I'd post it up against the same deceptive result so we were on the same terms
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Next time use a red line .... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Sigh. I could also show a graph that over the last 120 years, GM sales are way up, and compare that to the sale of unicycles.
- Louis Gray
Just laughed out loud at that one Louis
- Hutch Carpenter
Damn, you mean Unicycles sales are up right now? Tomorrow is free shipping day.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Are you saying Google Reader is like a Unicycle?
- Jesse Stay
Nope.
- Louis Gray
So Google Reader is going to be like GM?
- Jesse Stay
Ah... sorry... a light bulb just went off... showing a chart that shows US traffic is declining is deceptive in that some people who look at it might conclude that's overall activity, when in fact total, world-wide activity is steady or increasing.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's one of Jesse's theories, Ken. (Still doesn't explain the Google Reader non-sequitir)
- Louis Gray
If Google Reader is like a Unicycle, it's like the Honda's U3-X..... a very cool one!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm starting to piece this together... so showing reader.google.com traffic is declining when in fact total Reader traffic is up... ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, correct
- Jesse Stay
reader.google.com is a domain nobody uses. Reader traffic is unknown, but certainly not the flat line displayed here.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I use reader.google.com
- Jesse Stay
I'd agree with that theory. The World growth is outpacing US internet growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I just took a look at the graph at http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Turns out that although international reach is up as shown in your graph, Jesse, Alexa shows a 20% or so decrease in their pageview graph since the peak near August. More users spending less time...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is short-term though, which was another point of mine. Long-term they still have an upward trend. It is still much too early to determine if they are declining yet. Maybe in 6 months you guys can all show me I'm wrong.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook bought FF in Aug, that throws a trendline in completely different direction. It's an inflection point.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, FF took a dip after that, but they recovered and went even higher than before the FF acquisition. I wouldn't call that an inflection point.
- Jesse Stay
Which chart shows traffic higher than before the acquisition (not counting the spike after due to curious people who never heard of FF before they read it)? Are you looking at Alexa's "Reach"?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yes, Mark... Alexa's chart of international reach shows that the % of worldwide internet users who are visiting FriendFeed is up. It's also the 47th most popular site in Turkey, 227th in Italy, and 412th in Pakistan. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mark, correct, which is more accurate because it compares visitors globally, not just US
- Jesse Stay
In fact Alexa says 20.7% users are from the US and 20.6% are from Turkey, and another 20% or so from Italy, Japan, and India combined.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right but the question would be what were those percentages between countries back in August? A shift in demographics needs to be adjusted by online population in those countries.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There's roughly 74M people in Turkey. For every 1% drop in US visits, about 4% would automatically gain for Turkey in the Pie Chart without a single new user in growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't believe they're breaking out the % of users in each country that are visiting FriendFeed, they're talking about what % of FriendFeed users are coming from each country.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is correct.
- Louis Gray
Strongly Disagree. Look at my coupon work site: RedPlum.com 92.2% are from the US. I highly doubt I have that much audience but I'd love for it to be true.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Disagree with what, Mark? That stat means for every 100 people who visit your site, 92 are from the US.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. It's a pie of % of FF visitors are coming from which country. We are on same page.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yeah, sorry... I switched from "reach" to the user breakdown midstream there.
- Ken Sheppardson
So as I was saying, a 1% drop in US visits moves Turkey up 4% when you factor populations and no new additions.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To tie that together with Compete's US view, the US audience dropped 20% in last 90 days so Turkey would naturally rise in the pie chart regardless of new user growth from that country.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Actually digging that information a bit more, only 21.1% of the Turkey population uses the internet so the spread would widen even further.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
wow
- ★ Soner Gönül
Theory: if you were using FriendFeed as a tool, only trying to get something out of it, it's now lame. But if you were just having a good time, it's better than ever. True/false?
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Corollary: If you're just leveraging your social whatsits rather than communing with others, you bore the shit out of me and that's why it's better without you.
- Lo
Sorry if that was too mean, I plead lady hormones!
- Lo
for me true its my lifeline to the world.........
- VAL D. Zone
I mostly use it for pleasure, but also for information at times. It can be quicker and easier to get an answer in here to some questions than posting in a forum.
- Ian May
It is still the best tool for me personally. I use Lazyfeed, Meehive and Thoora etc. etc. I still find lots of useful and interesting content both current and archived on FF.
- Eric Logan
I still use FF as a tool. It's a great tool to follow and converse with a wide variety of people and to make friendships.
- Beau Liening
from iPhone
I came here to escape the narcissism of twitter. BTW FF squashes twitter like a grape. I enjoy the camaraderie. this place rocks.
- Mike Nencetti
I use Twitter too. Always found them to be apples and oranges. I like both.
- Ian May
Beau, good point, tool was poor word choice on my part. I'm just remembering my early FF days, where people would have one thing auto-posted across 8 services that was all about using more services... it's like a tech Tim Taylor disorder, having lots of tools is good but unless you make stuff what's the point?
- Lo
Dang, Lo, if that's what lady hormones do to you, I say bring it on!
- Michael R. Bernstein
IOW, True.
- Michael R. Bernstein
It is so much better when you don't care where the early-adopter tech types do or say.
- Rob Haas
is True
- L Stephen Cleary
Very true.
- Alex Scoble
Absolutely true
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
True.
- Steven Perez
LOL: "leveraging your social whatsits" :)
- ha3rvey, not a sweetheart
I use it just because Robert Scoble said it was good. But now that he doesn't use it anymore, I'm not as interested.
- Cristo
True. But isn't having fun one way to leverage your social whatsits?
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I think FF is a tool - one that ensures I get like zero work done if I don't turn it off frequently.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
anything will be lame, if you don't ever have a little fun ;)
- Mike Chelen
[INSERT PROFOUND STATEMENT HERE]
Mike Chelen, Jason Huebel, rowlikeagirl and 8 other people liked this
That is so DEEP! You've completely changed the way I think about [ABSTRACT ISSUE]!
- josh neff, geek at large
[INSERT SYCOPHANTIC DROOLING RESPONSE HERE]
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
[INSERT COMMENT THAT HAS 85% CHANCE OF KILLING THREAD STONE DEAD HERE]
- Mark H
Hey - that's my job!
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
I'm not able to insert anything between any of the square brackets :(
- Eivind
That's what she said?
- Johnny Worthington
I KNOW, hence the sad face.
- Eivind
Damnit!
- Jordi Soler
[GENERAL DISAGREEMENT]
- Morgan Haley
[INSERT REMARK GUARANTEED TO GENERATE LOL @MIKE]
- Mike Nencetti
[INSERT FAWNING ADORATION OF J. WORTHINGTON AND HEATED CONDEMNATION OF DISAGREEMENT HERE]
- Bette Cooper
[INSERT A 1UP OR +++ FOR CLEVER PERSON I LIKED IN THE COMMENTS]
- aden
[MORGAN IS CUTE AND A VERY GOOD KISSER]
- Morgan Haley
[pedantic nitpicking of word that appears minor but in my mind markedly affects the meaning of the post]
- Andrew C
[INSERT THREAD HIJACKING CLAIM @MORGAN HERE, FOR TRYING TO DETRACT FROM THE WISDOM OF THE JOHNNY]
- Bette Cooper
[INSERT PROFANE STATEMENT HERE]
- Laura Lou Who
LOL@LB
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
I find this to be [SNARKY PUN] LOL
- Glen Mistletoe
[ACRONYM TO SHOW I AM LAUGHING...OUT LOUD]
- Josh Haley
I can't fit .........
- VAL D. Zone
[INSERT MESSAGE EXPRESSING LOVE FOR ALL THREAD PARTICIPANTS]
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
[INSERT ONOMATOPOEIA EXPRESSING TENDER EMOTIONS]
- Eivind
[INSERT EMPTY INSINCERE APOLOGY FOR HIJACK ATTEMPT HERE]
- Morgan Haley
[INSERT FOOT IN MOUTH. PROCEED TO SUCK TOES INAPPROPRIATELY]
- Morgan Haley
[INSERT STATEMENT ON CONDITION OF FEET] [INSERT EDIT] [INSERT APOLOGIES FOR POSTING TO THE WRONG THREAD]
- Glen Mistletoe
[INSERT PENIS INTO SHEEP'S BUTT] oops, wrong thread....
- Morgan Haley
[INSERT TAB A INTO SLOT B]
- josh neff, geek at large
that trick never works!
- Morgan Haley
[MORGAN IS SINGLE, HETEROSEXUAL AND CAN TOUCH HIS NOSE WITH HIS TONGUE]
- Morgan Haley
[INSERT COMPLIMENT OF JOHNNY HERE "Johnny Rocks Like A Hair Band on Speed!"]
- Morgan Haley
[insert small lettered compliment of Jeremy's use of the word 'Sycophantic']
- Morgan Haley
lawl@morgan X 3
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Robert Scoble didn't make FriendFeed. FriendFeed was already here. People were using it. Scoble showed up and brought thousands of his minions. They clogged up the feed for a few months. Some of them weren't total Scobleites and stuck around. The rest bounced when he did.
Amber, Random Time Lord, Susan Beebe, Andrew Terry and 31 other people liked this
To hear people talk about FriendFeed's high point being related to Scoble really bothers me. I think R. Scoble is a cool dude, but he isn't and wasn't the God of FriendFeed by any useful measure in my book.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Plus, I think I've had more meaningful discussion and engagement from his brother here. :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Totally agree.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I also think it's important to note that I don't think Scoble ever claimed to 'make' FriendFeed himself. That idea was placed on him by others that did not understand his evangalism. I like Robert, don't always agree with him, but I like him and what he did for FriendFeed :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
But, ever since he pretty much declared Friendfeed dead he has been saying that since he "left" friendfeed has gone down hill.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Mathew, people left before Scoble made that statement. It was at least a month inbetween the sale and that post.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Thanks Rah! I do understand Scoble's (apparent) complaint, though: the alpha-geeks and uber-nerds (and people that orbit around them) that **he** follows -- because he's a tech blogger/media person and that's how he makes a living -- aren't participating here as much, nor are the founders, who also happen to be part of that alpha-geek set, participating here as much as they once did, if at all.
- .LAG liked that
Johnny I realize that, but I'm trying to say that the way he acts makes it seem like he thinks he put the nail in the non-existent coffin of Friendfeed.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Mathew, I am willing to give Robert the benefit of the doubt on this one. 140 characters is a difficult medium to explain oneself. He calls it as he sees it, he may not be seeing much past his own nose, but he makes statements and reacts to the reaction.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
i dont know why he just doesnt make a discussion board for himself and getting all his fans join that.. solve his problem then...
- Terry O'Fee
Wait. You mean Scoble didn't invent Friendfeed? Doesn't the fact that he invented the Internet mean, by extension, that Friendfeed exists because of him? :)
- Curtiss Grymala
Agreed Johnny. I'm not really blaming Scoble, it's comments from others that get on my nerves. I should have clarified that initially. I can't say that he's ever called himself the master of FriendFeed or anything....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I guess for me it is just his actions as they appear through the tubes.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
...haha! no, silly, he didn't invent Friendfeed, but as with many things, some people have a great talent for popularizing stuff and launching trends. In the Silicon Valley tech world, Scoble has a huge audience and some level of influence, and he certainly brought a lot more attention to Friendfeed than it was generating on its own. I guess the question is: can he take away just as much attention by pronouncing its last rites? Rahsheen doesn't seem to think so.
- .LAG liked that
Not wanting to be a Scoble lover but I have come to realise that Robert isn't a normal user. His job and personality drive him to be where the biggest audience is. He promotes his sponsors and discovers small things and tries to promote them. He has to be cut throat because he is pitching to a cut throat audience of early adopters and techies. The key is not to take it personally, because it's not about users, it's about new, popular and promotions.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
With Scoble gone, I think FF is back where it was before he came. For many users who have stuck around, nothing has changed. For some, they're feed is less cluttered from Scoble's huge following. No, he can't kill FF by pronouncing it dead. Let's say I frequent a bar and some celeb brings his entourage. The bar will probably make a lot of money that night, possibly get some publicity or something, but when he leaves...it's business as usual. Doesn't really matter if he liked the drinks or not.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Johnny W... well-said. For me, it just makes me realize how strange the world of "technology media" really is. On the one hand, Scoble is a sort of journalist, and if that's true then it would be reasonable to expect complete objectivity on his part: when he says something perhaps it should be fact-based and not an opinion. But on the other hand he, and the Techcrunches, ad infinitums...
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- .LAG liked that
I agree. I like Robert Scoble, and I actually find his comments here and on other sites to be far less self-absorbed than some others I could name (but won't.) I didn't come here because of Robert Scoble or any other individual, so I won't be leaving on that basis either.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Rahsheen... I like the bar/celebrity analogy. Also, similar to Mark DBJ, I actually enjoy Scoble's contributions to the techmediascape, and I have no problem with him speaking his mind, but his participation (or not) never affected what I'm doing here, what I will do here, or even how I found FF in the first place.
- .LAG liked that
To be fair, Robert was following people away from FriendFeed, not leading them.
- Bruce Lewis
Exactly, .LAG! I like to see him around and usually read/listen to what he says, but I'm not one of his sheep. He has quite a few of those and I wonder how he feels about that :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I think Robert's ego often gets in the way of any value he provides. I know he's usually creating controversy to link bait, but his vanity tries my patience more often than not.
- Mark Davidson
Sunset Over The Thames Estuary
RAPatton, Roberto Bonini, R1CC1 and 7 other people liked this
I was actually driving a bus when I took this. I was on a country lane, with no passengers on board, so I pulled over, and took the shot.
- Ian May
The pylons in the center of the photograph are the tallest in the UK, and are 623 feet high, carrying 380kV for the national grid across the River Thames from Kent to Essex. They were constructed in 1965.
- Ian May
Spectacular....
- Roberto Bonini
Canadian police chase - http://meme.yahoo.com/erdem...
Jemm, Olive Fee, Ömer Ertuğ and 14 other people liked this
Wow this is so full of win
- Itachi
:))
- EhsanDiary
Be honest, do I come across as passionate and constructively critical or just confrontational and judgmental when I'm making a case for my point of view here: http://friendfeed.com/davew...
Stephen Mack, MVB (Grinch of FF), VAL D. Zone and 7 other people liked this
Jason. We all know you're level headed. Don't second guess yourself.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Not really second guessing myself. I believe in my points of view. But perhaps the wording I use means something different to people than it does to me?
- Jason Huebel
Well, I'm new here and so I don't have the "heyday" memories or the Scoble-era nostalgia kicking. I just see a live community of people that discuss things - which is what you are saying. You're not being harsh (or a wiseass), you're talking about how things are instead of lamenting about how they used to be.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Oh, don't get me wrong. I lament a little (privately) about the by-gone days. I do miss having popular tech personalities here. But I guess that's just how things go. They move on to the next shiny thing...
- Jason Huebel
I don't lament it at all...now my feeds aren't all noised up with talk about the newest shiny lame ass web app trying to do the same stuff as all the previous ones have already done.
- Alex Scoble
I feel the same way as Alex. I'm now more likely to come across interesting people and particular niche topics and communities who would've been pushed off the front page back in the day.
- Victor Ganata
Answering your question, just from what I've seen of you in some conversations, you often struck me as the latter. I'm not going to click the link, because if it's what I think it is, it'll be a FF circle jerk. EDITTED FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME: If you got into it with the thread's owner, don't take it to heart. He's really sensitive...to put it mildly. I can only guess how many names he called you. LOL
- Admiral Anika
I can't even read it. That guy blocks with extreme prejudice.
- Josh Haley
For some reason, Dave and I have always gotten along.
- Akiva Moskovitz
the RSS man? eh.....
- Terry O'Fee
@Anika, surprisingly, I was only called one name ("wiseass") and told that I was only half as smart as I think I am.
- Jason Huebel
@Akiva, I don't necessarily dislike the man. But he doesn't take criticism well at all.
- Jason Huebel
I think you were reasonable. As one of the "little fish" I kind of enjoy it when the "Big Fish" don't think they're creating/getting enough attention at the drop of hat.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
I shouldn't, but I kinda do too. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
You came across as right.
- Lo
Saw your comment, Lo. Appreciate the support. :-)
- Jason Huebel
If you appreciate anything, it should be that I read all that crap :P
- Lo
HAHA
- Jason Huebel
LOL @Lo. You have fortitude! Jason, he must be mellowing as he ages.=)
- Admiral Anika
thumbs up for you Jason
- VAL D. Zone
Jason you were fine. I stopped following mr winer and unliked the thread, after reading the comments.
- Mike Nencetti
You done good, JH. I used to follow that guy but he was so self absorbed and whiny (pardon the pun) that I dropped him. I have better things to do with my time; like read my FF!
- Jim Hearts FF
What I like about FriendFeed is the diversity. From the sublime to the ridiculous and all points in-between. From arts to farts, from tech to sport. From jovial to serious. Altogether, informative and entertaining. Much better value than Cable TV (which I've just canceled).
Grant Bierman, H0llywoodWh0re, Maryam and 7 other people liked this
yay for farts..................:)
- VAL D. Zone
we pay 11$ a month for minimal cable. we get about 30 channels. I agree FF > Cable
- Mike Nencetti
We had this HD triple play package. With all the fees it was $190 a month (and we didn't have all the premium channels either). HD looks nice I grant you, but I watch maybe one hour TV a month. What my wife watches she can get on Hulu. We got told that Basic cable + Internet was going to be $107 (inc all those darn taxes and dubious sounding 'fees' they add on). Internet alone is...
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- Ian May
Lameonella - http://www.lamebook.com/lameone...
Andy Bakun, Maryam, Andrew C and 6 other people liked this
lol!
- vijay
Oh my....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
bump cause Raymond Chen just recently mentioned Lameonella.
- Andrew C
Question for my FFriends: what would make a good Christmas gift for my sister who is, like me, a member of the iPhone cult?
Steven Perez, Jason Huebel, Morton Fox and 2 other people liked this
Is she also a member of the Beatles cult? http://www.thefest.com/store...
- Laura Lou Who
Not really.
- Jim Hearts FF
from iPhone
haven't a clue I don't even have a cell phone
- VAL D. Zone
I did a search for Iphone holders. here is a Lego Iphone holder. http://friendfeed.com/mackney...
- Mike Nencetti
iTunes gift certificate? Pocket Universe App...
- SAM
One of the slide-on juicepacks are handy
- Rodfather
the mophie Juice Pack Air is on my own Christmas list but I'm tempted to remove it; a lot of people don't like it.
- Jim Hearts FF
recruit me as a new member, buy me an iPhone from her. tadaaa! everybody wins!
- Morgan Haley
The 'make your own skin' at gelaskins is pretty cool: http://www.gelaskins.com
- Jennifer Dittrich
You're right Jennifer. They are cool!
- Jim Hearts FF
None for Droid Eris yet :(
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Did you find something for her?
- Laura Lou Who
Abduction and reprogramming? (I kid, I kid.)
- s t e v e
For John Madden, at 73, the game’s still on - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
Mike Nencetti and Matt Hilton liked this
"Inside a warehouse-like building five minutes from his house, John Madden settled in to watch Sunday’s N.F.L. games in a leather chair that nearly swallowed him. John Madden watches football on Sundays with a variety of friends, family, and sponsors. Before him, nine 63-inch TV monitors flanked a 16-foot-by-9-foot screen, all provided free by DirecTV."
- Bill Sodeman
from Bookmarklet
IOGear USB 2.1 Bluetooth Micro Adapter GBU421 - http://www.amazon.com/IOGear-...
Maryam, Mike Nencetti and Kamilah Gill liked this
"IOGear GBU421 Bluetooth 2.1 USB Micro Adapter, the IOGEAR Bluetooth 2.1 USB Micro Adapter offers Bluetooth connectivity at a fraction of the size of normal Bluetooth USB adapters. About the size of an adult fingernail, the IOGEAR Bluetooth 2.1 USB Micro Adapter allows users to connect to all the latest Bluetooth devices like cell phones, PDAs, mice and keyboards. Because the Micro Adapter is so small you can easily plug it into your computer without blocking any surrounding USB ports. The Micro Adapter also features Bluetooth EDR (Enhanced Data Rate) technology for transfer rates that are 3 times faster than traditional Bluetooth 1.1 and 1.2 adapters. The Micro Adapter also allows users to connect up to seven Bluetooth devices together and transfer even the largest files quickly and easily. With the Micro Adapter lower power consumption, you can enjoy longer battery life on your notebook computer. This Bluetooth Class 2 adapter is also compatible with both Mac and PC computers, and offers a wireless range of 30 feet (10 meter). It is great for both home and mobile networking needs."
- Harold
from Bookmarklet
This is working great.
- Harold
It's so ridiculously tiny and cute!
- Kamilah Gill
Luca Sofri, Çağatay Öztürk, Roshni and 107 other people liked this
SANTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
- Morgan Haley
Awesome!
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
That Heat Miser is one vindictive guy.
- Spidra Webster
OOh the humanity!!!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
well this sucks
- VAL D. Zone
Now what will I tell my kid? :((
- AJ Batac
:(
- WorldofHiglet
MUAHHHAHAHAHA
- Bryan Lee
That's a scary Santa.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
It WAS.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Nothing says Happy Holidays like thick plumes of acrid black smoke... NOT!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
epic
- Josh Haley
Burning Santa Man .. in 29 yrs of firefighting never seen a burning Santa ... a first for everything ,, incredible pics
- johnpiercy
I knew this would catch your eye. Must have gone really fast, yeah?
- Josh Haley
Kris Kindling
- Josh Haley
NOOOOOOOO!
- Miriella
*fails to suppress evil cackling laughter*
- Mo Kargas
Call me a Ho again will ya fatman *snaps fingers*
- Johnny Worthington
Shit , that would go instantly ,, looks like a inside job
- johnpiercy
We don't need no water let the motherf**ker burn.
- Mo Kargas
Woah.
- Rochelle
Elves' Revenge.
- Louis Gray
For some reason this reminds me of those extremist Hindus that burn giant Valentines cards every year...
- Internet's Tad
That'll learn ya.
- Danny Minick
Who killed Santa
- Donnovan
Krampas has had his REVENGE!
- Bluesun 2600
Oh God!
- ★ Soner Gönül
ایول !
- سیدیونس
Don't shoot me Santa Claus, I've been a clean living boy, I promise you, did every little thing you asked me to, I can't believe the things I'm going through...
- Otto
It's all part of the Santa reboot. Hollywood should now do a Santa Origins story, directed by Michael Bay of course.
- Jerry Perez
gittii giittii giitttii giiitti santa gitti :D
- €Lyaz
Saaantaa!!! Did it smell like cookies? lol
- John Tastad
makes getting down the chimney a lot easier.
- Morgan Haley
On Dasher! On Donner! On Cupi.....Oh SHIT! On Fire!!! On Fire!!!!
- Morgan Haley
I find this very funny.
- Yolanda
Every time I see this, I immediately go to 18% LOL.
- Akiva Moskovitz
والنسیا باید باشه ، اونا از این کارا میکنن .
- mairyland
Gonna bump this every day till Christmas folks. Hide it now while you can.
- Josh Haley
See? 18% LOL straight away.
- Akiva Moskovitz
18% more than where you were or 18% total?
- Josh Haley
bump
- Danny Minick
Oh damn.
- Derrick
♫ I saw mommy lighting Santa Claus ♪
- Andrew Smith
Mai vista una roba del genere.
- braciolanet
from BuddyFeed
Did anyone see a grinch?
- Jerry Perez
Goooooooood morning, America!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Uh oh. 17% LOL this time but that's probably because I'm a little tired this morning.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Me too. :(
- Josh Haley
Whoa!
- Roney Smith
OH NOOOOOOEEEEESSSSS
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
hahahahahahahah
- Caroline
Top o' the mornin'!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Heck, yeah! 19% LOL.
- Akiva Moskovitz
:)
- Josh Haley
I still like this
- Jerry Perez
from iPod
he's making a list.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
dear me santa should stop smoking eh
- eric
HO HO HOOOAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAH!
- Josh Haley
This santa's hot !!!
- Maryam
Que lastima! Hace mucho calor!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Last time Santa has mexican food before he goes out.
- Carlos Urrutia
Keep fighting the good fight! Bump, bump, bump!
- Jerry Perez
Ah yes, thank you.
- Josh Haley
D^8
- Chieze Okoye
Today's bump is sponsored by Smokey the Bear.
- Josh Haley
Stop, Drop, and Roll
- Aryn Corley
G'mornin!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
12-09-09 Never Forget.
- Josh Haley
Don't show this to children. They'd cry.
- Richard A.
or laugh
- Josh Haley
hey, stay on the front page Santa.
- Jerry Perez
Guten tag!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
10 more days to Christmas
- Josh Haley
Three till my Birthday, forget Christmas :-)
- Richard A.
Shooting for 20% LOL today
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
bu sene bizim hediye yine yalan oldu ;(
- Arapprensi
Well, that's one way to make a kid cry
- Jerry Perez
Yes. Yes it is.
- Josh Haley
Santer burns!!!!!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
they crossed the streams!!
- Terry O'Fee
Burn..burn you jolly bastard ! *mad laughter*
- Mo Kargas
BBC News - Scientists crack 'entire genetic code' of cancer - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
Maryam, ovigia, Eric Logan and 2 other people liked this
"The scientists found the DNA code for a skin cancer called melanoma contained more than 30,000 errors almost entirely caused by too much sun exposure. The lung cancer DNA code had more than 23,000 errors largely triggered by cigarette smoke exposure. From this, the experts estimate a typical smoker acquires one new mutation for every 15 cigarettes they smoke."
- Jason Huebel
from Bookmarklet
Save The Words - Adopt a word on the verge of extinction - http://savethewords.org/
Victor Kamutzki, ovigia, Mike Nencetti and Brad Greer liked this
Get ready to hear "boreism" and "frutescent" a lot!
- Lo
I misclicked and adopted "mulomedic" by accident. Do you know any farm veterinarians?
- Brad Greer
Damn, that's really what it means?
- Lo
LANjackal to LANjackal's feed, Appetite, TheNextWeb Forum, RWW: The Future of Tech, building43, Security, GNU/Linux, Android, All Things Google
Android App Alert: Mobile Defense Hits the Market - http://www.pcworld.com/article...
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Zafer Yılmaz, Kurt Starnes, Nispell and 8 other people liked this
"Mobile Defense, put simply, helps you protect your Android phone in case it's lost or stolen. The app runs quietly in the background of your device, using a negligible amount of memory and battery power (in fact, its creator says the program employs practically no resources unless you're actively using it). When you install the app, you set up a secure account that allows you to log on from the Mobile Defense Web site. Then, anytime you can't find your phone, you simply sign in, click "Connect to Phone," and you're locked into your Android device. Mobile Defense will pinpoint your phone's location down to an exact address, even displaying it for you on an embedded interactive map. Within the same dashboard, you can remotely lock or unlock your phone and sound a loud "scream" (think obnoxious car alarm noise) through your phone's speaker."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
I'd call this one a HUGE must-have for Android, especially since the devices are linked to your Google identities ...
- LANjackal
Just tested it. Works as advertised, this is amazing. Again, if you have an Android phone. Get this NOW. No excuse.
- LANjackal
so as long as this mobile defense website stays up you're golden, right? -- i wonder what it would take to have it run on your own server so you don't have to depend on someone else
- Chris Heath
A couple notes: 1) It really does run silently, such that the app doesn't even show up in Task Manager. Not too sure if it's visible at the process level though 2) Connecting to the phone creates a live connection between the service and the phone, so it's a good idea to click the "disconnect" link when you're done.
- LANjackal
from IM
Have you tried SecureWave? It would be interesting to check how they compare. I have been using SecureWave and I like it.
- Vinay | विनय
My bad. It's WaveSecure (https://www.wavesecure.com/). I just installed Mobile Defence and it sure looks a little less intrusive. It also seems to have some unique features. What it misses though currently is the remote backup and remote wipe abilities, that WaveSecure has.
- Vinay | विनय
Strange. I am running it on Droid. And I haven't paid a cent. Anyway, I have both WS and MD on my Droid now. Since neither one takes any resources staying resident, I will probably keep them both.
- Vinay | विनय
I hear you. From the description https://www.wavesecure.com/faq... , however, while you can wipe the email, contacts, etc. it doesn't appear that you can wipe the account off the phone itself, which means all an unscrupulous person has to do is simply redownload the data from Google's servers. IMO therefore the wiping feature isn't that useful. Thanks for the extra option though.
- LANjackal
from IM
The Festive Library 2009 - a set on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Cheryl Jones, Toby Graham, esther and 23 other people liked this
"National Union Catalog Christmas Tree. " -- So Awesome!!
- Katy S
from Bookmarklet
that's great!
- Anna Haro
hey, look, that's my library!
- Marie is monkeying around
1 World Trade (Freedom Tower) on The Rise - http://laughingsquid.com/1-world...
Kenton, Mike Nencetti and Dan Hsiao liked this
It's actually happening: "1 World Trade (formerly know as the Freedom Tower) is on the rise with construction now reaching the 4th floor."
- Christopher Chung
from Bookmarklet
Changed the channel. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think a marriage proposal should begin with 'baby, I'm not gonnna cheat on you no more.'
Kenton, vicster needs a nap, ovigia and 11 other people liked this
WHY YOU SO OLD SCHOOL, JOEY, DANG.
- Derrick
You and your standards. Pfft. :D
- Jennifer Dittrich
Well, RAP, *that* might be different ;)
- joey
Hahaha DANG.
- joey
Faster humps are not available on this street.
Hein Roehrig, Henner Zeller, Ruchira S. Datta and 3 other people liked this
About the tech elite flying away from Friendfeed: I noticed some people are now more at ease here than before. Maybe they don't feel like they're the only dumbs in the classroom anymore, or maybe they prefer to hang out in a calmer place with brief and unrelevant conversations. Don't know, but there's a change in the air...
Morgan Haley, Mike Nencetti and Johnny Worthington liked this
Tech elites tend to talk about issues like their world is totally representative of the world at large. I like tech, but not all the time. It's like the loud and rowdy group at the party. Very good at attracting attention to themselves but once they leave, every goes back to having a good time :)
- Johnny Worthington
I think many people came here attracted by this tech elite. But once they landed, they didn't know what to talk about. Now that the heavy tech issues have disappeared (sort of), most users are experimenting with Friendfeed in some ways that I hadn't seen before. Don't know, maybe it's just me, but I like the change.
- Jordi Soler
As do I.
- Johnny Worthington
Exactly! ;)
- Jordi Soler
I like the change. I understand FF's "Best of Day" is not the same as "Best of Tech" I have been able to find the tech people on FF.
- Mike Nencetti
I get the feeling that FF is going to evolve into something very different of what some guys predicted a while back. The same guys who said FF was dead after being bought by Facebook, by the way... ;)
- Jordi Soler
You all can probably guess, but I'm a tech tard. I come here to read all the cool stuff that is posted and make snarky (but loving) remarks. You guys and gals are my friends. And I promise that when I go on my shooting spree, I'll save all of you for last. Mostly.
- Morgan Haley
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It's always snowy in Stockholm...?
- Patrik Johansson
Me: to psychic on corner. "are you going to be here on Saturday?"
Private Sanjeev, Rodfather, Mike Nencetti and 6 other people liked this
her: I don't know.
- anna sauce
me (in head): aren't you a psychic?
- anna sauce
ba-dum-dum
- anna sauce
She can only see others futures not hers, silly..
- CW™
I'm like- if you're here Saturday, what time? Her: I don't know.
- anna sauce
Me: we're doing a crawl from 5-10. Her: well, if I'm here, I'll be here after 10. If it's not windy.
- anna sauce
Just as I start to get frustrated with my work environment, I hear about other people's work environments and I realize that mine suits me pretty well.
vicster needs a nap, Mike Nencetti, holly and tinypants - Hagitha of FF liked this
I feel that way about my job too.
- Derrick
whole lotta this.
- holly
Yep yep yep.
- josh neff, geek at large
Yeppers.
- Ayşe E.
Whoa, you can add people to a Twitter list without following them. Clever!
Mike Chelen, Robert Scoble, Mona Nomura and 3 other people liked this
Now being in a list is more "honorable" than being followed.
- ashish
It is kind of following people but with tags on them.
- ashish
set up a private list for "trial follows" to see if I want to add them for realz
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
but strangely, you must follow them to be considered a stalker....hmmmmm
- Morgan Haley
I thought the contrary, stupid not to make that a feature ;-). It's good though, you follow only when you want to rather than just anytime.
- Richard A.
It's like a double-secret fake follow
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I like the fact I can make a twitter list and add myself to the list.
- Mike Nencetti
sweet. does that pump your "Listed" numbers when you add yourself to your own lists? does that number include private lists as well?
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
No idea about the hidden lists.
- Richard A.
yes listing yourself increments your public twitter list count. Private lists don't appear to count in your total.
- Mike Nencetti
@Mike thanks. I just discovered that, too.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Should You Comment On This Facebook Status Update? [infograph] http://mona.posterous.com/should-...
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I just made the first payment to pay off my repo'd car, the first step into clearing my credit. I feel all responsible and shit.
Cheryl Jones, Andrew Terry, Mark "DerBingle" J and 32 other people liked this
To counteract this, I'm going to go buy a 42" HDTV tonight. Hopefully I will be able to get a new car within the next 6 months since the repo and my shitty credit were the only things keeping me from it.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
The original repo amount was $6k, I just settled for $2500. That's about 43% of the original amount. It was the fact that I agreed to pay it off within 30 days that got me the discount. I feel so proud of myself right now, and FutureSean will appreciate it when he's driving a brand new car come next Summer. :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
That is seriously awesome. I am proud of you being all adult and junk.
- aden
Paying out from under debt is awesome :)
- Jennifer Dittrich
*hug* Yay! :) I kinda know where you're coming from (no repo, just lots of charge-offs and a lien) and I'm so happy for you! :D
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Gack. I lost a beautiful '62 T-Bird to repo that I still ended up paying for. Bleh. Doing the right thing, in spite of what it looks like others are getting away with, er, I mean, doing, is still the right thing. Good show.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Oh I have lots more after the repo, just not as large of amounts. $500 here, $300 there.. They just add up and make my credit absolute crap. I'm tired of getting rejected for things and being laughed out of dealerships. I would like to one day buy a house, and this is my first steps to cleaning up the financial mistakes of my 20's.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
from IM
A great idea would be to not buy anything on credit ever again, so you'll never be in this situation and you'll get more for your $$.
- Dave Roth
I'll never be in this situation again regardless because I won't let it happen. Unfortunately credit is extremely important for buying cars, houses, etc. I need to clear mine and then get like an American Express card I can pay off in full every month to help boost it back up again.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
from IM
You only need credit if you're going to borrow money. Just stop borrowing money. Much simpler and way more satisfying.
- Dave Roth
Borrow money, like a Mortgage? These things are important. I will never have enough money to buy a house outright. Credit is necessary.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
from IM
A mortgage, sure, but that's it. Put 20% down on a 15-year fixed rate mortgage with a payment no more than 25% of your take-home pay. But you don't need a credit score to get a mortgage.
- Dave Roth
Congrats Sean!
- Andrizzle Gizzle
I don't think those figures are going to work for everyone, depending on where you live and the cost of houses.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Also Dave other things rely on credit, like Cell phone contracts and the like. Not everything uses credit, but they use it to verify you are responsible.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Fix to this issue. Use someone else's SS#.. Just need to go to the local telephone companies dumpster. You will probably find tons of them.
- CW™
Dave, like Sean said, other things take credit. Most landlords check credit when you rent an apartment.
- Rochelle
LOL, except there's a good chance that whoever's SS# that is may even have worse credit.
- Victor Ganata
I'm not saying that having good credit doesn't make life easier, but there are ways to get things done with no credit score, which is my ultimate goal.
- Dave Roth
Yeah thats the gamble you have to take, but Good News everyone.. there are more for you to try. :)
- CW™
Dave, I was responding to your comment of "You only need credit if you're going to borrow money" and pointing out that there are situations where you may need credit but aren't borrowing money (like renting an apartment).
- Rochelle
That's a great idea, CW! What's your SS#? :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
from IM
+1 congrats!
- .LAG liked that
financing a new car is the biggest scam going. the interest isn't tax deductible and you're upside down on it pretty much from day 1 if you fully finance it.
- Bill Kinney
Must be nice to live in a world where people can buy a brand-new car with cash and pull a 20% down payment right out of their butts. I'm in California, y'all. I make just under six figures a year, and I rent my home with a roommate. By the time I'm able to pay for a car with cash and cull a 20% dp on a home, I'll be 60. No thx, I'll stick to financing and paying out a bit more in the long run.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I'd never buy a new car. Not until I have a $1,000,000 net worth, anyway. The depreciation hit is too significant.
- Dave Roth
I'm still driving the car I bought brand-new in 1984, and still getting +31 MPG. No payments, cheap insurance, and being a diesel, low maintenance and (usually) cheaper fuel.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I've never bought a new car with cash. Only 5+ year old used cars. the lack of a payment allows me to save money to buy another car down the road. my wife and I are slightly above average income for our area. Realize that regional difference make this more difficult but it is possible. It's very liberating to not have a car payment. do have a mortgage though, that I can't escape yet.
- Bill Kinney
to my subscribers - post one thing that no one (or not many people) knows/know about you. :-D
Kenton, RAPatton, rowlikeagirl and 9 other people liked this
Not many people know that I have a twin sister.
- Paulette Garcia Morris
never had a pet. unless you can count a bread mold project in grade school.
- Mike Nencetti
I don't like (and therefore, don't drink) coffee.
- Rochelle
No pet Mike???? wow - I cannot even imagine. Do you want one now? :-)
- Paulette Garcia Morris
Don't like coffee huh? I never used to but it's great with lots of cream and lots of sugar!
- Paulette Garcia Morris
I have a story published in a book. (you have a twin? Cool :) )
- aden
Aden - which book?!?! I want to read it!
- Paulette Garcia Morris
I won our local VFW speech contest when I was in grade school.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
a speech contest! wow! I cannot get up the nerve to speak in front of a group. I hate conference calls as well!
- Paulette Garcia Morris
I wouldn't do it now. It's weird how I've become more uncomfortable with public speaking as I get older.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
It's an anthology called Ripple Effect. http://bit.ly/6H0Bhf I will see if I can find my copy of it, and let you borrow it. There are some good stories in there.
- aden
Very cool!!
- Paulette Garcia Morris
my left wrist turns only 90deg. instead of the normal 180deg.
- अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das
90 instead of 180 - due to an injury?
- Paulette Garcia Morris
i had the top of my skull smashed in at the age of 5. thrown from a horse over rocky ground.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Yep, broke my left wrist right at the joint, while playing cricket. I was 14 back then.
- अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das
no pets, thanks for asking. :)
- Mike Nencetti
I've had a gun pointed at me twice...in the bad intent way.
- Mary Carmen
Ouch on the broken wrist.
- Paulette Garcia Morris
OMG Mary Carmen - wow, just wow. Glad you are ok!
- Paulette Garcia Morris
Thanks, me too. At the time, it was a hazard of the job.
- Mary Carmen
I've been robbed twice. First one with a knife. The 2nd one with a gang of 5 yielding machine guns, knives, grenades, and a shotgun. Obviously, I survived. :|
- AJ Batac
gang of 5 with all that crap?! Yikes! Where was this and what did you have that they wanted?
- Paulette Garcia Morris
One thing that not many people know about me? That thing is: I was not subscribed to Paulette until about a minute ago. :-)
- Slappy Line
Joe - I missed your comment earlier - you were 5 riding a horse? and smashed your skull too - wow!
- Paulette Garcia Morris
Slappy Line - not many are subscribed to me so you are now part of a select few. LOL
- Paulette Garcia Morris
Paulette (you have the same name as my neice btw), this was in the Philippines. I was riding a bus together with 30 more people when it got robbed.
- AJ Batac
I have to go on a happier note.........that I am very lucky to have my FF family...
- VAL D. Zone
Apparently I've led a very quiet reserved life compared to many of you. How about... I got kicked out of University after my first year and never went back.
- Kenton
And I never knew about FF until a few months ago. :-D
- Paulette Garcia Morris
In soap opera land, if you're in jail, you are allowed 70 visitors per day.
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Also you can drive across any major city in minutes, with no traffic.
- Mike Nencetti
and come back from the dead
- VAL D. Zone
And even after a night of sleep, your hair and makeup look amazing.
- Michelle Martinez
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