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BBC News - English explodes in India - and it's not just Hinglish -
BBC News - English explodes in India - and it's not just Hinglish
"Anyone who travels beyond Delhi and Mumbai to India's provincial cities will notice English words cropping up increasingly in Hindi conversation. While some of these terms fell out of use in the UK decades ago, others are familiar, but used in bold new ways." - Maitani from Bookmarklet
"Picture the scene. I'm chatting to a young man named Yuvraj Singh. He's a college student in the Indian city of Dehra Dun. We're talking in Hindi. But every so often there's an English word. It's Hindi, Hindi, Hindi, and then suddenly an English word or phrase is dropped in: "job", "love story" or "adjust"." - Maitani
BBC News - Deep dives of devil rays solve 'mystery' of warm brain -
BBC News - Deep dives of devil rays solve 'mystery' of warm brain
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"A new study shows that devil rays plunge nearly 2km below the ocean surface, making some of the deepest and fastest dives ever observed in the sea." - imabonehead from Bookmarklet
t-ra: WeirdnessSandwich
One, I don't like being stood up. Secondly, I don't like being treated like a non entity by bartenders. Or men who take up too much space.
Eric - For You Wack MCs!
I just saw a hardcore conservative on Facebook and her friends call Ann Coulter a freak show and her friends chime in with phrases like pure crazy. Sure, it took that soccer article to do it, but I'll call it a win.
3 points. - Akiva
*puts on steel-toed boots* CORNER KICK. - Big Joe Silence
Airship flies above NSA data center, decries “Illegal Spying Below” | Ars Technica -
"Greenpeace flew its 135-foot-long thermal airship over the National Security Agency's Utah data center on Friday morning, featuring a new slogan, "Illegal Spying Below," painted on a downward pointing arrow. The stunt was meant to highlight the diversity of groups pushing against the widespread government surveillance that was revealed last year. The environmental group Greenpeace was joined by the Tenth Amendment Center, which pushes for states' rights, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)." - Me from Bookmarklet
Aww. the pict didn't come in.. Its a great pict! <3 Greenpeace - Me
Celebrate romance with detailed Lego versions of famous Princess Bride scenes · Great Job, Internet! · The A.V. Club -
Celebrate romance with detailed Lego versions of famous Princess Bride scenes · Great Job, Internet! · The A.V. Club
"Brickworld Chicago rolled through Illinois recently, bringing with it a slew of meticulously crafted LEGO displays. One group really went for the feels, though, by recreating almost every scene from the beloved Princess Bride. Who out there hasn’t wished for a romance like that of Wesley and Princess Buttercup, but in Lego form? Or the sweet revenge of Inigo Montoya on his father’s killer reconstructed with plastic figures? The guys Lego’d everything from little Fred Savage’s bedroom to the fire swamp and the pit of despair to Wesley’s battle of wits and Montoya’s famous sword fight." - rönin from Bookmarklet
Dido Elizabeth Belle (1761-1804) was an illegitimate daughter of John Lindsay and an African slave woman known only as Belle. Very little is known about Belle only that she was black and a slave. Her daughter Dido lived in the household of the Earl of Mansfield who was her father's Uncle and her Great-Uncle. - Halil from Bookmarklet
Lindsay sent the child to his uncle, the Earl of Mansfield, who lived with his family at Kenwood House in Hampstead, England, which was then just outside London. He and his wife, who were childless, were already raising her cousin Elizabeth Murray after her mother's death; Elizabeth was about the same age as Dido. It is possible Mansfield took her in as Elizabeth's playmate and, later... more... - Halil
Lord Mansfield himself resolved this paradox in his capacity as Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales. When called upon to judge the case of an escaped slave, Somersett's Case, he decreed that "The state of slavery is of such a nature, that it is incapable of being introduced on any reasons, moral or political; but only positive law, which preserves its force long after the reasons,... more... - Halil
The Ancient Egyptian invention that made everything else possible - -
The Ancient Egyptian invention that made everything else possible -
"The history of Egypt boggles the mind. By any standard the scale of achievement was enormous, but through it all, it seems clear that the economy remained rooted in agriculture. It was the everyday business of the ancient Egyptians to produce food. This they did using a system that was the envy of all. Sandra Postel, Director of the Global Water Policy Project, said that overall, Egypt’s system of basin irrigation proved inherently more stable from an ecological, political, social, and institutional perspective than that of any other irrigation-based society in human history, including the Fertile Crescent of Mesopotamia where a fallow year had to be interposed to rest the land between harvests on land that was also subject to salinization, something that did not happen along the Nile. “Fundamentally … the system sustained an advanced civilization through numerous political upheavals and other destabilizing events over some 5,000 years. No other place on Earth has been in continuous cultivation for so long.”" - Maitani from Bookmarklet
I'm currently working my way through a rather long lecture series on Egypt's rather long history. I'm all the way up to the 19th dynasty now and 1177 B.C. is on the horizon :) - Eivind
So you've already learned about the Battle of Kadesh? - Maitani
I am quite interested in Egypt's relations with Mittani and with the Hittites. - Maitani
Aye. I've had quite a bit to do with the Hittites lately. Mittani's been around, too. To get back to papyrus: When the Hittites switch from clay tablets to papyrus, we stop hearing from them. Thanks, Egypt :-P - Eivind from Android
:D, Eivind! Btw., the article mainly deals with the part papyrus boats and ropes play in the evolving Egyptian civilization prior to 3,000 BCE: "By far the most ingenious item that emerged from that period was rope, without which building boats and houses would have been more difficult, not to mention the erection of monuments for which Egypt is remembered in later times." It is fascinating to read. - Maitani
I read it, and I agree :) - Eivind
CAJ hates pants
Dilbert comic strip for 06/27/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. -
Dilbert comic strip for 06/27/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.
That sounds oddly familiar to a previous position of mine. Time to update the resume? - CAJ hates pants from Bookmarklet
Hmmm, sounds very much like my newly retired spouse. - Janet
Sounds like my typical day. - Steven Perez from Android
Jennifer Dittrich
This has got to be my favorite image from the US Open Cup match vs. San Jose on Tuesday (Hahnemann'd just saved that ball during the shootout at the end.) [It's from's photo set for the match.] -
This has got to be my favorite image from the US Open Cup match vs. San Jose on Tuesday (Hahnemann'd just saved that ball during the shootout at the end.) [It's from's photo set for the match.]
4,000-Year-Old Burial with Chariots Discovered in South Caucasus -
4,000-Year-Old Burial with Chariots Discovered in South Caucasus
"An ancient burial containing chariots, gold artifacts and possible human sacrifices has been discovered by archaeologists in the country of Georgia, in the south Caucasus." - Maitani from Bookmarklet
"Archaeologists discoveredthe timber burial chamber within a 39-foot-high (12 meters) mound called a kurgan. When the archaeologists reached the chamber they found an assortment of treasures, including two chariots, each with four wooden wheels." - Maitani
Big Joe Silence
the theme to "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension"...
Best. Thing. Ever. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
bumping for no reason. - Big Joe Silence
Jenny H.
All my stuff finally arrived! :)))
The kids were elated to jump on the Playstation as soon as we set up all the electronics. :) - Jenny H. from Android
Oh, man, it is so awesome to finally get all of your stuff after a big move. I can imagine it is even better with the length of the trip and the wait :) - Jennifer Dittrich
I'm a bit worried about my World Cup access now :) - Eivind
Jenn, yep. Three months of worrying about the state of all my things! Granted, I've given up most of my things, but I am attached to those I kept. :) Eivind, shush. You'll get your damn football! :P - Jenny H. from Android
\(^_^)/ - Eivind
So happy your things rejoined you. Even though things are things, when they are special they cannot be replaced. - Janet
Yay for stuff! Yay for Playstation! Yay for football! - vicster: full-bodied
I was most worried about my photos, but they're safe now. :) Vicster. :D - Jenny H. from Android
so glad to hear your things are finally with you. it makes such a difference, especially after purging a bunch of things, to have the stuff you decided to keep. *hand squeezes* - t-ra: WeirdnessSandwich
Did it feel like Christmas and birthdays all rolled into a big pile of YAY? :-D - Corinne L
Thanks, Tamara! Corinne, it really does! :) - Jenny H. from Android
"You'll get your damn football!" that a euphemism? - JA Castillo
دوودوروودودوودوووو .... ایــــــــــــــــران :دی
در این فید به تشویق تیم ملی کشورم میپردازم ... ! امیدوارم با افتخار صعود کنیم ... - پُرحــررف
ای کاش ما هم ورزشگاه بودیم :دی - §╠╣/~\╠╣R /~\ /\/\ ♛
:)) آره والاااا - پُرحــررف
به نظر میاد بازی قشنگی خواهد بود - پُرحــررف
ایول صدای تشویق - پُرحــررف
میترسن جلو برن و این خوب نیست - پُرحــررف
خوبهه دارن راه می افتن - پُرحــررف
بدک نبود .... بازم ایول - پُرحــررف
چه پرشی کرد دروازه بانشون - پُرحــررف
باز ایرونی بازیشون گرفته هر کی توپ میرسه بهش میشوته - پُرحــررف
اوه ... ضربه آخرو خراب میکنن همه ش - پُرحــررف
به نظرم برتری نیجریه فقط بخاطر قدرت بدنی و سرعت بالاشونه - پُرحــررف
چقدر خطا کردن این نیجریه ایها - پُرحــررف
مساوی هم خوبه ... خسته نباشن و نباشید همگی - پُرحــررف
شخم انگیزشی :دی - پُرحــررف
دل تو دلم نیست ... فقط امیدوارم آبرومندانه باشه بازی - پُرحــررف
زکی این با این صدا میخواد گزارش کنه؟!!! - پُرحــررف
احمقا زمان تاخیر پخش تلویزیونی رو در نظر نگرفتن - پُرحــررف
گزارش مزخرفه ... گزارش بیخوده ... گزارش خره !!!!!! - پُرحــررف
خیلی خوب مسی رو مهار کردن ... ایول - پُرحــررف
چرا انقد زمین میخورن بچه های ما - پُرحــررف
دمت گرررررررررررررررررم حقیقی - پُرحــررف
واااای - پُرحــررف
سی و چهار دقیقه گذشته و خوب دفاع کردیم تا اینجای کار ... دمشون گرم - پُرحــررف
خوووووووب بووووود - پُرحــررف
چه تشویقی میکنننننن - پُرحــررف
عالی بووود ... - پُرحــررف
ایـــــــــــــــول .... فردوسی پور ادامه میده - پُرحــررف
واااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااای - پُرحــررف
اسپری داور رو گرفت نیگا انداخت بهش :))) - پُرحــررف
بزززززززززززن - پُرحــررف
دارم لذت میبرم خدایییییی - پُرحــررف
دهنت سرویییییییییییییییییییییسسسسسسسسسسسسسسسس - پُرحــررف
حیف شد باختیم ... اما خوب بازی کردن همه ... دمشون گرم - پُرحــررف
داور که به نفع آرژانتین لای دست و پای بچه ها بود ... دو سه تا توپ رو خراب کرد ... یه پنالتی هم نگرفت ... حد اقل سه تا موقعیت خیلی خوب رو از دست دادیم تا عاقبت دقیقه نود و یک پس از هزارتا ژانگولر بازی گل مفت رو خوردیم ... باز هم تاکید میکنم ... مسسسییی تووو رووووحـــــــــــت - پُرحــررف
شخم یاداوری :دی - پُرحــررف
به نظرتون بی هدف بزنم بیرون ... بلکه جایی پیدا کنم با چند نفر ببینم فوتبالو یا بشینم تنها ببینم بازم ؟!!! - پُرحــررف
حیف شد باختیم ... حیف شد ... حیـــف :| - پُرحــررف
حقتون بود... خخخخ - ابو داروین
ابوداروین دور شو :دی - پُرحــررف
Işık Mater
Eli Wallach vefat etmiş :(( Nur içinde yatsın! "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
Eli Wallach vefat etmiş :(( Nur içinde yatsın! "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
One day I will fit into this dress again.
One day I will fit into this dress again.
Damn. - Uli
I didn't think so at the time, but I look back now and think "Girl, were you blind??! HAWT." - Melly
Yeah Josh didn't stand a chance. - Mo Kargas
This was on our honeymoon ;o) - Melly
FIFA to investigate Germany fans' blackface against Ghana
FIFA to investigate Germany fans' blackface against Ghana
Stephan Planken
This morning, found a lost pig in our back yard. As pigs do, it had already dug up a fair amount of the yard. Since I don't have time right now to figure out where the heck it comes from, the dog and I teamed up to send it on its way further up the road. (This morning, someone else can deal with that.)
On the other hand: I let a hundred pounds of bacon walk away. - Stephan Planken from iPhone
This is just like FarmVille! A lost pig wandered in, and you gave it to a neighbor. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
And who says Farmville isn't educational. - Betsy
You should have thrown angry birds at it. - imabonehead from Android
^^ wins. - Betsy
Haha, angry puppy is al I had available. :) - Stephan Planken from iPhone
хотя нет
RT @grave_matters: Normal Distribution vs Paranormal Distribution
RT @grave_matters: Normal Distribution vs Paranormal Distribution
"А мне норм" - омский ниндзя from iPhone
RT @omid_m: #Iran's proud coach, Queiroz: I'm not disappointed. 2 personalities made the difference : the referee and Messi!
RT @omid_m: #Iran's proud coach, Queiroz: I'm not disappointed. 2 personalities made the difference : the referee and Messi!
what ref did? - Arfin Kiriloğlu
The referee could/should have given Iran a penalty. He didn't. - Mark H
İran played rubbish at first half. Second half was alright, they could win. But without the ones like BAGHIRI, MAHDAVIKIA, ALI DAEI, it's difficult.. - Arfin Kiriloğlu
@Mark, it's not a penalty man.. - Arfin Kiriloğlu
We'll have to agree to disagree. - Mark H
i recorded the game, only one position we are talkin about, right? let me look at it again. - Arfin Kiriloğlu
Iranian forward knocks the ball, Argentinian defender swings his leg, gets a fraction of a touch on the ball as it passes and takes the player out. Technically it's not a penalty but a few minutes later an Iranian defender gets far more of the ball then trips an Argentinian forward; the referee gave a free kick. It's inconsistent from the referee. If Argentina win a free kick (and they... more... - Mark H
I checked the first positon at 53rd minute. There's nothing at all. Defender is clearly touching the ball and doesn't even awared of iranian guy. - Arfin Kiriloğlu
Stephan Planken
Hail storm (hopefully short and non-destructive)
Hail storm (hopefully short and non-destructive)
Water levels have also been on the rise. You should have seen some of the rivers in the south of the province. - Stephan Planken from iPhone
Power came back on. - Stephan Planken from iPhone
Ken Morley
Holly's favorite Anna
"This capacity responds to fans’ skepticism at the Tamarian’s technological prowess. The Children of Tama would not be delayed by their inability to speak directly because they seem to have no need whatsoever for explicit, low-level discourse like instructions and requests." -- BULLLLLLLLLLLSHIT - Andrew C (✔)
And again, it never explains how the Tamarian children learn these stories and myths. Surely adults don't just chant "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" until the kids suddenly get it. - Andrew C (✔)
And what do you say when you're figuring out what to have for lunch, esp if no shared cultural story has a hero who wanted, say, a burrito? "Darmok at the food court... but not what he had?" - Andrew C (✔)
There are few things in geek culture that make me more annoyed than this episode of TNG. Sorry. - Andrew C (✔)
yah, but it's fun to appropriate. - Big Joe Silence
The concepts are interesting, but the reality and execution get tricky. Symbolic spoken language might work if there was also a telepathic communication that could convey the details/complexity with the words as a short-hand. - Holly's favorite Anna
But if you could communicate details telepathically, why would you need spoken language at all? That'd be like how I've wished I could teleport so I wouldn't be late for the bus. - Andrew C (✔)
Even though it doesn't really work with Tamarian as portrayed in TNG, I still find the idea of the Universal Translator translating every morpheme in a brain dead fashion highly amusing. Like, imagine if the Tamarians spoke a highly-appropriative language like Modern English, and the UT just decided to literally translate all the Greek and Latin and Celtic and Anglo-Saxon and Norman French morphemes without any regard to cultural or historical context whatsoever. - Victor Ganata
Although, to be honest, the more I think about it, the more it doesn't really seem that far of a stretch where the majority of verbal communication involves quoting lines from movies and memes. This is already kind of how me and my brother communicate. :D Of course, it doesn't account for the lack of less context-dependent forms of communication, but it's still amusing. - Victor Ganata
I used to speak with friends in long strings of Simpsons quotes. I get communicating by reference and allegory, but I also got that _not everyone got those references_. The bootstrapping problem that the Tamarian captain has with Picard is exactly the same problem Tamarian children would have and illustrates exactly what's idiotic about the entire premise. - Andrew C (✔)
What if you were connected to the Internet before you were even verbal, and you're been bombarded 24/7 by memes for years and years? I guess we'll eventually find out! :D - Victor Ganata
I mean, sure, the execution of the idea wasn't that great, but I actually don't think the premise of a highly-context dependent language that isn't easily translatable by a machine is far-fetched. All it would take from a ST canon perspective is to say Kirk's description of the UT as a telepathy device is totally wrong. Then it would be easy to say the translation algorithm just screwed up royally. #DamnYouUniversalTranslator - Victor Ganata
Seriously, what's a starship captain gonna know about linguistics and how to program machine language translation algorithms, anyway? And if you really had a telepathy device, why would you only use it to translate languages and not invade people's minds when you're in dangerous situations? - Victor Ganata
"I actually don't think the premise of a highly-context dependent language that isn't easily translatable by a machine is far-fetched." -- except in a universe where the UT otherwise has never failed. - Andrew C (✔)
That said, there's a great moment in Y The Last Man, I think, where someone upbraids Yorick for using the "crossed the Rubicon" phrase without really knowing what it means... but since we're not as dumb as the Tamarians, when we use a phrase and listeners don't know what it means, we don't merely repeat it over and over hoping for enlightenment by repetition. - Andrew C (✔)
If you accept the premise that Kirk's explanation for how the UT works is crap (kind of like how I think Morpheus's explanation for why the machines enslaved the humans is crap), then there's no reason to assume that the UT is infallible. For all we know, there are billions of instances when it failed, but the writers just never touched the topic except for this episode. - Victor Ganata
"If you accept the premise that Kirk's explanation for how the UT works is crap" -- that way lies fanfiction! Beware! - Andrew C (✔)
That's actually the only time that they ever try to explain the UT, though (well, unless they do it in the episodes of Enterprise that I haven't watched yet.) And, again, there's good reason to doubt Kirk's grasp of the actual technology. - Victor Ganata
Still, would even Kirk have the stones to bullshit Zefram Cochrane? - Andrew C (✔)
Kirk probably believed that that's how it really works. Still doesn't mean it's how it actually works, though. - Victor Ganata
Especially after watching Enterprise, I'm more inclined to believe it's just a far more sophisticated version of the pre-Federation UT, to be honest. - Victor Ganata
But leaving aside whether a very-highly-context dependent language would actually work that way and ignoring whether the UT would actually fail in that manner, the episode and the article does tread the well-worn ground of semiotics. Words ultimately only represent reality indirectly—the connection between words and reality is quite tenuous at best. Words more directly represent words... more... - Victor Ganata
The part that kills it for me is that they clearly have normal non-metaphorical words, such as "fist" and "walls" and "sail" -- and they understand the difference between "open" and "closed." So it is simply untrue that they only speak in metaphor. They must speak a non-metaphorical version of their language as well. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Andrew, when the geeks brought up the 'Darmok' episode. {shakes fist} - Andrew C (✔) from Android
I think it's possible that the individual words don't have much conscious meaning the same way we rarely think of the meanings of individual morphemes and only consciously think about words, though. - Victor Ganata
I enjoyed the episode because I didn't think this hard about it. - Amit Patel
Sort of related: I just remembered a book I read and enjoyed a few years ago, The Guild of Xenolinguists. It's a series of short stories by Sheila Finch. - Betsy
Thinking out loud: What if Tamarians have two levels of language. As children, they speak one level that is closer to ours, and that's how they learn the stories and "open" and "closed." As adults, they transition to the allegorical/metaphorical/whateverical language. Maybe the first language, let's call it FirstSpeak, is used by and to children, and also at home with family, but rarely... more... - Betsy
"I enjoyed the episode because I didn't think this hard about it." - it's not like I was striving to dislike this episode. The basic bootstrapping problem occurred to me while watching it for the first time. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
[Still thinking out loud]. With the addition of servant caste to my theory, maybe FirstSpeak doesn't apply to family anymore. Maybe FirstSpeak is only used by/to children and by/to the servant caste, further emphasizing the difference between servant caste and ruling caste. And I'm stopping now.] - Betsy
And doesn't Picard teach the Tamarian captain an Earth story? That would mean the foundations of the Tamarian "language" aren't transmitted via DNA nor telepathy. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
There's really no indication that the Tamarian captain understood Picard's summary of the Epic of Gilgamesh, though. - Victor Ganata
The more I think about it, the more it seems that having an entire cultural database pumped into your brain before you're even verbal isn't really that far-fetched. - Victor Ganata
Oh! I just remembered an Ursula K. Le Guin short story that totally does the bootstrapping thing, though. Only children speak. The adults only communicate non-verbally. - Victor Ganata
It's called "The Silence of the Asonu" - Victor Ganata
I'm now imagining a scenario where the highly abstract, very culturally context dependent dialect they speak is the formal dialect of their culture. Everyone first learns to speak some low-prestige dialect but if they want to get ahead in their society (like being able to pilot a starship) you have to only use the formal dialect. It could really just be an extreme form of code switching enforced by dialect discrimination - Victor Ganata
I don't think the bootstrapping thing is as bad as you expect. Imagine a child learning the word "Laughter" or "Laughing". You wait for an appropriate moment where the child is laughing, and then you introduce the word. Imagine instead that you introduce the phrase "Steve, when the comments were read" The child learns the same association. I can also see that the child might actually... more... - Steve and 4 other people
"you have to only use the formal dialect" - but it would be asinine to think that foreigners necessarily know and use your formal dialect. The Tamarian captain was clearly exasperated, but he didn't resort to the non-allegory language, and that's more likely because he didn't have one than because using it would be declassé. - Andrew C (✔)
Look, there is no "Simpsons-ese" where people *only* communicate in Simpsons references, and believe me, I've tried. - Andrew C (✔)
Why would we assume that aliens would understand, say, AAVE or Cockney or pidgin, better than General American or RP? I mean, I can't really imagine that the first thing a starship captain would try if the aliens didn't get General American is start speaking to them in a dialect that doesn't have as much prestige. - Victor Ganata
I guess I'm trying to look at it more abstractly, though. The execution wasn't that great, but I'm reimagining the premise as one where we have a language that the UT can only translate very literally and not idiomatically. If you ignore the specifics (like the Tamarians apparently do :D ) it doesn't seem like such a preposterous idea to me. - Victor Ganata
I mean, if you think too hard about language, it becomes apparent that all language—even individual words, individual morphemes—are really just analogies and abstractions of reality. I actually think that the writers got that part right, at least. - Victor Ganata
"in a dialect that doesn't have as much prestige" -- I would assume that if they didn't get General American at all that they might instead start from the building blocks of language, the way we generally teach language these days. We don't just say things louder and slower. The Tamarian captain's plan was literally to just repeat himself until it worked. There's no way they developed advanced technology if one of their starship captains was that dumb. - Andrew C (✔)
That's why they went with gestures, and that didn't go so well either. - Victor Ganata
I mean, what do you mean by "building blocks of language" though? You learn semiotics well before you're verbal. We don't teach kids what words mean by going through their etymologies. - Victor Ganata
Now that I think about it, how would you even teach someone what "failure" or "agreement" meant devoid of any experential context? - Victor Ganata
I love this episode! And this discussion! - Daniel W. Crompton
"I mean, what do you mean by "building blocks of language" though? " grammar and meaning, I guess. Like Stephen said earlier, they know individual words like "fist" and "open". The building blocks of their language are the stories they have to tell each other, and those stories themselves, at some level, cannot be endless allegories to something else. They don't say anything like "Jell and Kevarr at Dan" to mean "Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra" because, like, ... why? - Andrew C (✔)
But that's what language is! Endless allegories and analogies to something else! You only need to look at etymologies to know its true. - Victor Ganata
Meaning is elusive. - Victor Ganata
This is one of my favorite episodes. That is all. - Friar Will
You don't consciously learn syntax and grammar, though, at least not until you start formal education. Much of that ends up in place long before you're actually verbal. So it's not that difficult for me to imagine that, if the Tamarians also never thought to bring a linguist along, it would be nearly impossible to get to that very basic but also mostly instinctual level of instruction across a massive cultural divide that we can't even really imagine. - Victor Ganata
I still like the analogy where their individual words correspond to our individual morphemes. While they do carry some semantic meaning, they're hard to pin down without surrounding context. The word "walls" in "Shaka when the walls fell" probably has the same status as "-struct-" does in a word like "deconstruction." Knowing that "-struct-" is derived from Latin "to build" doesn't... more... - Victor Ganata
Like analyzing the morphemic elements in "deconstruction" (de- sense of undoing, -con- "together", -struct- "to build", -ion morpheme that nouns verbs) totally doesn't tell you what "deconstruction" means. - Victor Ganata
"You need to know the history of Western Civ leading up to Postmodernism to really appreciate what it means. " -- and by analogy, the Tamarians would... share their stories! not repeat "deconstruction" over and over, which is essentially what the Tamarian captain actually did. - Andrew C (✔)
Like I said, how to you explain "agreement" when you can't be sure that the other person has any idea of how your culture and society is supposed to work? I can't imagine how you would convey that with gestures alone. - Victor Ganata
The "allegories and analogies to something else" is where this concept totally fails in the episode, because the Tamarians apparently cannot grasp that there /is/ a "something else" at all; they make references without even the concept that anyone could not know those references. Which I maintain is pretty much as impossible as the language Douglas Hofstadter proposed (as a thought... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Just thinking about the ST prime universe, we kind of cheated with even getting a universal translator up and running. The very first sapient species we met were telepaths with similar biology (owing to the Ancients). Without the Vulcans and their existing knowledge base, and without the shared neurobiology with a lot of the sapient species in the Alpha Quadrant (the Klingons and the Cardassians were also descendants of the Ancients), I wonder how impossible trying to grok xenolinguistics would've been. - Victor Ganata
But what is that "something else" though? I suppose one could argue that nouns and verbs most closely correlate to experience in reality, but even then, they're ultimately idealized abstractions that rely mainly on shared experience and shared culture/society to have any useful meaning. - Victor Ganata
Yes, but there are some foundational words rooted in reality or pre-verbal experiences (eating, for example), which is how we bootstrap. The Tamarian language has an immense bootstrapping problem. - Andrew C (✔)
Conversely, if the allegories of Tamarian-ese map so well to words and phrases, then the UT shouldn't have failed. - Andrew C (✔)
But you can't really bootstrap an entire language on base concepts like that. Otherwise learning other terrestrial languages would be totally trivial. - Victor Ganata
Yeah, but we're having this discussion ignoring the alleged infallibility of the UT. I think we can all agree that if Kirk's explanation for how it works is right, then there's no way this episode makes any sense. - Victor Ganata
Even ignoring Kirk's explanation, though, the established function of the UT has been that it has basically always worked, or at least never failed to the extent that it did with the Tamarian language. - Andrew C (✔)
I have to wonder, though, how one could possibly go about explaining the history of Western Civilization leading up to Postmodernism if you don't share a common language or a common culture :D I don't see how you could start from basic concepts of eating and sleeping. At best, it would take a *really* *really* long time. - Victor Ganata
Absence of evidence of failure is not evidence of absence of failure ;) - Victor Ganata
Actually, while there weren't any episodes depicting total failure of the UT except for this one, there were apparently a couple of DS9 episodes where the UT wasn't perfect - Victor Ganata
The UT facilitated translation to the nanites!!! By any measure they're more foreign than the Tamarians. Edit: two fucking seasons before "Darmok"!!!!! - Andrew C (✔)
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
It takes three IT guys to change my email address... they joked about flying people in from NYC to help...
It takes three IT guys to change my email address... they joked about flying people in from NYC to help...
Really? Geez. - Jennifer Dittrich
My outlook never finished syncing BTW. :/ - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
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This very funny map shows what Vladimir Putin really thinks of Europe - Vox -
This very funny map shows what Vladimir Putin really thinks of Europe - Vox
"You may have seen the series of "Mapping Prejudice" maps by Yanko Tsvetkov, which portray some part of the world as seen by one or another set of stereotypes. For example: Europe according to Germany, Asia according to the USA. Now Tsvetkov's got a new one: Europe according to Russian President Vladimir Putin. It's actually pretty useful for understanding the ongoing Ukraine crisis, a story that is increasingly shaped by Putin's aggression in Ukraine and his hostility toward Europe. Here's the map:" - непростые коротышки from Bookmarklet
Before clicking, based only on the colored shapes in the picture above, it looks like a fat red wolf biting a blue salamander in the butt. Will I be disappointed if I click through? - Betsy
какой там смешной у серпа молот - earlyadopter
Красная собачка откусывает жопу синему котику, изв - бомбануло from iPhone
@earlyadopter это не молот, - сказала Красная Шапочка, и густо покраснела (ц) - непростые коротышки
@lnkr красная собачка "случайно" засунула свой нос в жопу синему скунсу, изв - непростые коротышки
Rejected Princesses: the Weirder Tales Disney will never do -
Rejected Princesses: the Weirder Tales Disney will never do
Rejected Princesses: the Weirder Tales Disney will never do
Rejected Princesses: the Weirder Tales Disney will never do
"We all know that Disney tends to soften those folk tales that they turn into movies, giving them happy endings, removing the less PG elements. However, there are some stories out there that are just a little too outrageous for even the House of Mouse, and there are quite of few of them that involve maidens. Which is where Rejected Princesses comes in. Jason Porath has started chronicling these more intriguing tales on his website. Each post has an animation-style image of the princess in question, followed by a detailed breakdown of their story. Take Pasiphaë above. She developed thing for bulls after her husband pissed off Poseidon and subsequently had the court inventor build her a hollowed-out cow suit so she could... you know. Needless to say, she's the mother of the minotaur." - Jessie from Bookmarklet
LOL they did Empress Wu! - Jessie
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PIPES: Turkey's support for ISIS Islamist terrorists - Washington Times حمایت ترکیه از داعش -
PIPES: Turkey's support for ISIS Islamist terrorists - Washington Times حمایت ترکیه از داعش
"Actually, the Turks offered far more than an easy border crossing: They provided the bulk of ISIS‘ funds, logistics, training and arms. Turkish residents near the Syrian border tell of Turkish ambulances going to Kurdish-ISIS battle zones and then evacuating ISIS casualties to Turkish hospitals. Indeed, a sensational photograph has surfaced showing ISIS commander Abu Muhammad in a hospital bed receiving treatment for battle wounds in Hatay State Hospital in April." - چنین گفت دهری from Bookmarklet
Why the Turkish support for wild-eyed extremists? Because Ankara wants to eliminate two Syrian polities, the Assad regime in Damascus and Rojava (the emerging Kurdish state) in the northeast. - رامتین Ramtin from Android
اردوغان همچین کاری کنه خیلی احمقه - روح مرحوم روباه from Android
داره کریم تیز بازی در میاره دیگه. میدونه که این گه بالا بگیره بالاخره امریکا میاد وسط. و این قضیه اهرمی میشه تو دست اردوغان که با امریکا این وسط یه معامله ای بکنه سر داعش. این دیوث ها همیشه کارشون همین بوده - چنین گفت دهری
آمریکا عاقل باشه نباید بیاد وسط و بذاره شیعه ها و سنی ها انقد خودشون رو بکشن تا جونشون در بیاد. آخرش هم چین به گا میره چون آمریکا به اندازه کافی ذخایر نفتی داره - روح مرحوم روباه from Android
beginning of World War III - Sepi ⌘ سپی
Stephen Mack
Two of my cousins and my aunts and uncle live in Virginia, and they've always been huge fans of the Washington Football-Team-That-Uses-A-Slur-For-A-Name. I remember one Christmas when I was in England and about 8 or 9 years old, they sent us some porcelain football player figurines with lamps attached. Even as a boy I hated the name of the team.
I felt bad (because I'm sure the gifts were expensive, and shipping them overseas was even more expensive) but I refused to put the lamp in my room. It's one of the first presents I can remember rejecting. - Stephen Mack
Now my relatives lurk here on FF so they'll see this and may feel bad. Sorry, D&B. I know you view the name of the team as honoring Native Americans. I just can't see it that way. - Stephen Mack
Honestly, I really hope this USPTO ruling sticks and the owners finally give in and change the name. - Stephen Mack
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