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Bookmarklets can be incredibly handy. If you use multiple browsers, they're a great way to ensure you don't lose any of your favorite functions when switching back and forth. Maybe your browser doesn't support extension or there aren't many in the wild for it just yet - bookmarklets can provide many of the same functions.
- netvista
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Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, World News, Twitter, Appetite, TheNextWeb Forum, Social Media, Social Media Club, Social Media Enthusiasts
China shuts down Twitter and Bing in lead up to Tiananmen anniversary - http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Daniel Rowley, Alan Le, njhuar and 74 other people liked this
"It’s widely known that China runs a pretty tight ship - to put it mildly - on what its citizens get to see online, especially that content which exists outside of China. YouTube has been blocked for some time and although Wikipedia was blocked for a while, it’s gradually become more available. However today Chinese authorities have come down like a tonne of bricks on a number of services including Twitter, Flickr, Bing, Live.com, Hotmail.com, Blogger and a number of other sites. And that’s no joke, given that we’re talking about the Great Wall of China here."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
*dislike*
- Michael W. May
and yet the template of the great firewall of china is being used to construct similar blocking schemes in Australia, various EU countries, Canada... Makes you think those in power consider the internet to be their biggest mistake in letting it slip out without their control for so long.
- alphaxion
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
What does GFWd mean?
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define... scroll down to #4
- Michael W. May
GWF, GreatWall Fireware.
- netvista
If you lie long enough, the lie will become the truth.
- Hiro Asari
Now I truly know the origin of oppression.
- Dv8thwonder
@stretta dictatorships are pretty damned evil too
- Rudolf Olah
Another article here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world...
- Kol Tregaskes
It's going to get interesting as more and more American business becomes dependent on Chinese resources to see if we start moving away from all of our freedom and democracy ranting in favor of selling 18 billion plasma screen TVs. Not that we should - but we really are a hypocritical society. When rights go head to head with capitalism, capitalism always wins.
- Ciaoenrico
Our China and the "most favoured nation" status history already speaks to that, by a decade and a half.
- Michael W. May
well ... if Tienanmen succeeded, and China disintegrated, split apart into waring mafia states, fate similar to Soviet Union, there probably wouldn't be $5 nice shirts, world prosperity and stability might have suffered another blow ... a couple groups of, yet nice meaning, students, just cannot rule 1+billion people ..China needs to keep democratizing slowly, rule of law needs to be there
- Petr Buben
I wonder whether this "finger in the dike" will hold much longer. Other developing nations with more lenient policies may begin to eclipse them in economic growth. You can only succeed with fewer ideas than your competition for so long.
- John Blossom
I was traveling in both India and China a couple of years ago and found more sites blocked in India than in Beijing. That surprised me. But hiding information is how governments control what the people know, and therefore what the majority believes. Important for us to remember here too!
- amygeek
A couple more articles: http://mashable.com/2009... and: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technol...
- Kol Tregaskes
@Petr Buben, you can't turn a country democratic via the free market system. It just doesn't work. You can't do it slowly either because the ruling party there is in complete control and won't stand for it. You need bold actions.
- Rudolf Olah
I guess the question is whether or not the censorship in a country effectively cuts a country off from business relations with the outside world. Is the free flow of ideas important enough for business, or is it possible for business to succeed under a tightly controlled information regime?
- John E. Bredehoft
@Rudolf .. you EXACTLY turn and keep country democratic via the free market. free market /positively regulated, so that it stays free/, free private enterprise, reasonable personal freedoms, - no freedom of crime /much less kill, or be overly impolite/, free participation of all at proper democratic generated wealth distribution .......EVOLUTION, no violence, to me is better, more...
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- Petr Buben
when was a country turned democratic by free market alone? I don't see it happening.
- Alejandro
what else do you suggest is needed? ../// what do you mean by "democratic" ? poor people without healthcare living under the bridges?
- Petr Buben
by democratic I mean people being able to chose their representatives and everyone having the chance to become one. I don't see that happening unless they overthrow the current government.
- Alejandro
Block the media or control the media; which tactic is more efficient? Do you really think the average "reality show" distracted American is any better informed than the average Chinese? Subtle deception works far better than ham-fisted blocks.
- Alex Williams
google has been really slow here last couple weeks. images don't show etc. started about the same time plurk was blocked. but i've got a vpn running, so it's all good. just... slow.
- samantha
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These are great.
- Mark Krynsky
really makes me smile.
- netvista
What are the stripey guys (right below sudoku cat)
- j1m
Rest in Peace, RSS - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
Warner Crocker, Nicholas James, Kol Tregaskes and 11 other people liked this
If RSS is dead, am I supposed to download your podcasts - I mean shows - the old way with a browser and without iTunes? I don't want RSS to be dead :-) That being said: I'm not using Google Reader as much as I used to, either...
- Holger Eilhard
RSS for humans, yeah, but whether RSS, Atom or XMPP, the boxes still need an XML or other common spec to sling this stuff around.
- Matt Terenzio
I would disagree. Twitter is more for viewing what is going on NOW in brief based upon what others felt to bubble up. RSS is for the deep dive into the content I am interested in, when I want to take the time to view it. I hardly ever scroll more than 50 tweets past in Twitter, so anything not making it above that mark is lost to me. Twitter will eventually get so crowded with noise, we...
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- Jef
how it took two hours to appear on twitter?
- Sebastian Keil
In the "old days" I consumed web content like a lobster man in Maine checking his known traps in repeat looking to see if new content was available to be consumed. RSS readers allowed me to hunt for the content, and bring it back home to have a steady stream. What does Twitter do to bring me that content? Give me a content repository I can subscribe content into, and multiple points to...
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- Jef
Twitter is the Soylent Green of discovery.
- Steve Gillmor
I wrote about this a few weeks back. I agree with you Steve: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
whatever. none of this would be possible without rss. just remember that steve. its the glue and duct tape that binds all this socnet crap together.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Soylent Green was Edward G, Robinson's last movie. "yeah. RSS is curtains , see. . ."
- Matt Terenzio
Twitter is made of people, it's people!!
- Evan
Jef the good stuff bubbles up repeatedly in a stream, it's a big benefit that twitter culls 400 headlines you would normally discover in a reader, the good stuff gets re-shared and re-shared and you can't miss it if you're following people that share your interests.
- Brian Hendrickson
First Friendfeed, now RSS. Can't we all just get along? :)
- jcunwired
There's a parallel thread on the FB echo of Twitter echo of FF here: http://www.facebook.com/n... About as useful as Disqus :)
- Steve Gillmor
Holger you ask a very interesting question.
- Steve Gillmor
RSS is dead. Long live Podcasting.
- Matt Terenzio
Rest in Peace, Blog! including TechCrunch?
- netvista
agree, get everything i need from twitter and my various trend monitoring sites. the tech will always remain and can be very powerful. but rss readers will never go mainstream, and who needs another inbox. if you are reading feeds all day you probably arent getting a lot of real work done (bloggers excluded).
- sean percival
SAVE RSS...SAVE RSS...SAVE RSS...SAVE RSS...
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
one word, one product that bridges between the problems of RSS and the advantages of twitter. my6sense.com.
- Enrico
I really wonder what are the occupations of FriendFeeders :) What is your job? Are we only from IT-marketing-advertising-blogging world? Don't hesitate to answer, we should know each other :)
Ahmet Kutay, Hanna Wiszniewska, Brent - Loving Life and 106 other people liked this
Depends on what you mean by IT. I'm not a programmer.
- Richard A.
I work as a fraud analyst in the debit card services department at JP Morgan Chase/WaMu.
- Christian (Simply X)
lol at the pic.
- Alfredo
I'm from IT world since I am a Computer Engineering student
- Alp
Network Engineering student here
- Alfredo
Alfredo, are you network engineering student?
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
I'm a Mechanical Engineer who's been whacked by the crappy economy in Michigan.
- Amy H.
yes. you too?
- Alfredo
Archivist at a private university.
- Laura B.
Software Engineer
- Jeanine W.
Alfredo, I'm studying CS :)
- Alp
I do stuff for people on the Internet :)
- Mona Nomura
I am a librarian. :)
- holly
Oh Holly, I'm not good at researching at library, I'll request help from you next time :P
- Alp
which job do you mean?
- Jim: Dead Like FF
Student :)
- Tunahan E. Bilgin
Embedded Software Engineer
- DGentry
Oh Denton, it sounds really cool.
- Alp
Marketing. At an IT company. :-)
- Herb Hernandez
i am blogger :)
- Müjdat Korkmaz
pimp
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
LOL Monique ... I am a Director of Sales & Marketing at a hotel ... and I have a cool side gig I am working on plus I am going to be a resident DJ at a lounge soon as well ... **Cue 'In Living Colors' and the skit entitled "Hey Mon ..."
- Amani
OMFG Monique, really :D
- Alp
at the mo i'm a contract 1st line support in a bank although i've done 2nd and 3rd line support, helpdesk ad servicedesk, web design and i'm interviewing for a development job next week
- Jamie Vidamour
I'm an exaggerated Customer Service Rep. Because I work for a software firm, this means I do tech support and issue escalation, just like at a real-live Support desk. :) I'm also a software trainer, and I do all of my training via webconferencing. But all I've ever really wanted to do was sing.
- Helen Sventitsky
Alp, anytime! I'm helpful like that ;)
- holly
Program Manager aerospace, until my exotic dancing career takes off.
- Steve C
Social worker but currently a stay at home mom.
- Rochelle
Retired with lots of time on my hands. FF takes a lot of it
- Jack DeWitt Smith
I manage a business channel at an IT consultancy. That is when not scouring the internets for cool apps & gadgets. And lolcats.
- embee
Oh Helen, I need some webconferencing help for sure. I will have to pick your brain real soon if you are ok with it.
- Amani
Well, I am a Person In a Management Position, so that qualifies as pimp, right? Seriously, I work for a federal grant at a private college.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Amani, feel free to do so. :)
- Helen Sventitsky
Dental assistant/office manager.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
from fftogo
I architect/manage online advertising technology platforms (ad servers, back-office workflow tools, site integration, etc.) for a publisher with many sites globally (Expedia). I write on the side. My pipe-dream is to work in film or television.
- joey
Physics teacher
- Rich
Software Architect/Project Manager/Developer...
- Jemm
I used to be a network/systems admin.. I'm trying to forge a new career making an online show :)
- alphaxion
Rich, I <3 physics. What level do you teach?
- Jeanine W.
I'm a translator/interpreter Alp :)
- Selma
Selma, what languages?
- Rochelle
Unix and networking sysadmin
- Andy Bold
Retail Mgr. for local shop, on the IT team for our Nat'l parent, tutor seniors on PCs, build sites on WP (those are all paying gigs).
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Persian(Farsi) and English Rochelle :)... I don't know all that much about IT world but I love friendfeed
- Selma
I'm a professional Stay home dad.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Sales Customer Service manager for an ISP :)
- Kim
italian professor
- enza (aka iVenus)
Camera operator and video editor normally.
- Richard A.
I do communications and development work for a non-profit organization
- howard shippin
i am a stock controller in a massive warehouse
- eric
In the Air Force trained as a computer programmer. I don't actually program though, I run a help desk. I'm Nick Burns in a uniform.
- Rob Haas
I am a librarian. I work in both a public library and a library in a county jail
- Alan Simpson
Alan, that's cool! I have a pile of books to mail to the Prison Book Program.
- Rochelle
@Alan, there are many librarians here, why don't you create a group with people commented on this post?
- Alp
Alp, there are already several librarian rooms.
- Rochelle
I am an Enterprise Architect running amok on the Internet.
- Kevin Johnson
Professional Luddite. OK, really: scientist, science blogger, working in Open Access science publishing. Trying to think like a Luddite, in order to be able to attract other Luddites to our stuff.
- Bora Zivkovic
Rochelle, ok I told something without researching :) Forgive me :)
- Alp
On Lindsey I did not use to kow that :)
- Alp
I'm an automotive parts consultant by day and amateur computer expert by night.
- Chris Heath
NSA assigned to read everything you post. :-)
- John D Reasor
OMG John, please don't peach me :-/
- Alp
LOL sorry could not resist.
- John D Reasor
Writer
- Shevonne
Radio DJ/Presenter, voiceover artist and Musician.
- Iain Baker
John, hehe I am not in US. You can't find me. I'm on a cave which is in Afghanistan.
- Alp
nISV
- April Russo (app103)
I've two jobs, I'm a university teacher's assistant for Political Theory (have an MA) & I work in property management
- sofarsoShawn
I work in beer. I sell beer in a beerstore in Amsterdam & am a bartender in a microbrewery in the same city.
- Ton Zijp
@Ton: You work in beer? How cool. I wish I could be a brewing engineer or something.
- Amy H.
CS student, web developer
- Raphael, Raphael
Economist/senior advisor in the utilities business. Working 20% and parenting 80% right now while on 12.5 week paid "father´s leave", and find it more of a job than usual.
- Thomas Bøhm
videogame designer. FF is like any social network - maybe the first and early adopters are social media junkies, but even they have non-social-networking friends and so it always osmoses outwards from them. (See also how fast Orkut's average IQ dropped.)
- Andrew C
I somehow meant that to be a little less snobby than that sounded.
- Andrew C
I am software engineer. Great career choice if you have the aptitude.
- Chrimmus Tad
@Amy H.: Well, it's nothing special. Except for the fact that a few hours ago I got a little bit pissed on a few very special beers with a brewer from Brooklyn. That's what's making it worth it. :-)
- Ton Zijp
Programmer
- Rodfather
Student and blogger. Planning to study psychology, but also very interested in webdesign and quite a few other creative areas :)
- Juno Jones
IT Operations Manager, recently Project Manager.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Student, blogger, do WP sites on occasion.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Sr. Mechanical Engineer, Photographer, Program Manager depending on what day you ask.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Plant operator at Richmond Refinrey. I make high quality lube oil.
- Beau Liening
ComSci by education, but in retail by lack of experience.
- Rui Pereira
Accounting specialist, ordained minister, mentat assassin, and Babylonian god of winter.
- Steven Perez
I'm the one that persuades children to get on with their work in the absence of their teacher.
- Vicky
Telecomm engineer.
- jcunwired
Unemployed atm. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Journalist
- Mycaptain
2parts - 1)Real Estate Process Analyst 2)Gaming Website Editor-in-Chief.
- Elizabeth Parmeter
Librarian (corporate and public) - though I'm currently a stay-at-home-mom.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
software engineer/IT monkey/root cause analysis grunt/last-resort bug fixer
- imabonehead
online research assistant. Owner/operator of infolode.com Assist a small network of musicians/bands learn to manage and promote themselves until recently. I'm converting the blog dedicated to my network of bands to a gigs link site soon.
- Molly
Own my own company, guess that makes me a ceo
- Russ Jackson
I'm starting my first job as an Assistant Professor of Lifespan developmental psychology - I'll be teaching and running a lab doing research with older adults.
- adf
Student of C.S.I.T. - Computer Science Information Technology!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
I work as a coordinator at an art college with graduate film students, and I also do some freelance writing.
- Derrick
Lots, yet none...
- Anthony Citrano
NYT - R&D
- Ted Roden
i'm a serials & electronic resources librarian. [i love my job]
- a creature was stirring
It appears like there are quite a few disciplines here. I work in IT project management and business analysis, sales, and run my blog on the side.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I've been a network engineer / IT Consultant for many years - last couple though I've struggled with some health issues - so spend more time blogging (about the iPhone) and working at home, only doing very occasional / limited consulting work ...
- Patrick Jordan
Jack of all trades. (I actually design stuff on various media, web included)
- dario
Risk Management
- Alex Scoble
I carry a video camera looking for geeks improving the world.
- Robert Scoble
I write fiction.
- Nine
I take pictures.
- Admiral Anika
RobertScoble: Love your job description.
- Ted Roden
Domestic Engineer.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
religious studies professor at a small college
- Nathan Rein
I'm a software architect.
- Joey Gibson
Taking a break from PR to sell broadband. Brutal.
- Sue Radd
Full time RubyOnRails developer working for a coffee roasting company - go figure!
- Jordan Brock
Underpaid Bureaucrat at Dept of Social Services
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Supply chain consultant.
- elroy
Student in international marketing (and management - dual degree in France and UK)
- Jérôme Flipo
Marketing management
- Robert
non-profit, social services, doing contract management/quality assurance work
- ♥patricia♥
Program Manager
- Eric
ne'er-do-well and sometime recruiter
- Melanie Jagolino
product management
- Lu Tao
I'm a manager for a major performing arts organization.
- TVTechGrl
Haha Robert Scoble, I LIKED IT a lot :) There is really good people over here :)
- Alp
.Net developer now working as Project Manager
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Bookseller
- Joseph Zitt
I'm a doctoral student.
- Dawn M. Armfield
from Nambu
Programmer/Developer/Geek, whatchawannacallme.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I am a Java Developer. According to my job position.
- Mike Nayyar
Mom-was an Instructional Designer before I took up this position full time....
- Kelly W.
Librarian in an IT department
- JSNFLMNG
Personal Trainer
- BEX
IT Manager for Web Services at North Carolina Central University
- Damond Nollan
R.N.
- Anne Bouey
Accounting for the last 12 years but seriously considering a change after the last job went bye-bye.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Software engineer
- Morton Fox
I work as a Business Analyst.
- Parth Awasthi
Technical Recruiter
- Steve Sill
IT Consultant focusing on Network Infrastructure, Wireless Technologies, & Security
- Keith - @tsudo
Software engineer. Enterprise-level applications, back-end, front-end, user experience, optimization, and research.
- xero
IT project implementation stuff
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Marketing here
- Ryan Dadey
I'm a writer.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
I'm a 1337 h4x0r; s/w engineer and currently engineering manager for a team of superb engineers at Yahoo! News.
- Mistletoe Glen
Currently I'm a nanny but I plan on getting my teaching certificate (maybe?).
- Lis Miller
Internet business consultant
- Daniel Falcón
engineering manager.
- Amund Tveit
I'm sailing a small boat around the world. This month I'm in San Francisco.
- Nick Jaffe
I am a teacher
- Morten Breivik
from twhirl
For money I'm a Rental Agent, for fun I'm a Web Developer, and for a lot of people I'm their Personal Consultant.
- Jimminy Fuller
Software developer, social media evangelist/strategist, startup guy
- Devlin Dunsmore
Oh Devlin, what are your startups?
- Alp
I work the FF nite crew, I watch pots boil, develop software (I'm partial to web apps - I run a few online services) and I'm "database coordinator" for a college's development/alumni/campaign departments.
- Micah Wittman
Geek trying to improve the world by launching a Belgian startup (yep it exists)
- Zack Brandit
Amund - What does an Engineering Manager do? Are you an engineer that also happens to be a manager? If so, what kind of engineer?
- Mitch
Micah - Do you work at the RDC? Awesome, I took a course there about 2 years ago.
- Mitch
Scientist / management consultant / small biz owner
- Sally Church
musician / producer / video maker / social networker / media student / father / dreamer / coffee grinder / poet / available / this week lots of coffee-grinding expertise
- Chris Loft
servant to a kitteh! thats my job now lol
- Tatty Gibson
Undergraduate CompSci student, and developer of Twitterfall.com
- Jalada
current is Realtor; past is in education & running a cafe in Africa; & hopefully something new by next year! I do love observing all these LEARNING curves and canoeing these streams of info.
- Mara Hawks
serial entrepreneur on second startup, consultant, TV producer
- Patricia
I do IT stuff :) social media stuff and stealthy product innovation goodies too!
- Susan Beebe
Computer Science student at UC Irvine
- Zian Choy
Im a professional firefighter for 28yrs in Hamilton Ontario Canada ,, and I dont do cats in Trees .. I help people for a living ...
- johnpiercy
all part time: Pastor, freelance writer, mailman.
- Jim: Dead Like FF
Internet Marketing Analyst. Yeah, I know.
- Mark Traphagen
graphic designer
- Batu
Student / Social Networker
- Larry Hudson
27 years as registered diagnostic medical sonographer, the princess thing never panned out for me.
- Janet
I'm a freelance web designer/developer. work from home most of the time. I get to see my young boy a lot more than if I worked in an office, which is great.
- David McDonald
Student in Management and entrepreneurship (France) plus a semester in Finland to study digital business.
- Stanislas Jourdan
Graphic Designer.
- kilbuda
librarian
- bob
Copy editor for the Journal of Clinical Oncology and Journal of Oncology Practice, both published by the American Society of Clinical Oncology. Love working in the sciences. Feels like what I do really means something.
- Heather
Fundraising.
- Nation Hahn
owner of a small consulting company, specialized in marketing for SME
- bonuck (e gli associati?)
MBA in Management - Currently Running my Web compnay. I learnt the basics of web programming a few years ago with my first solo project. From then on - web addict :)
- atanas
I am actually a program director, head of the technology school at CityU of Seattle. Used to be a Security Engineer, and Project Manager.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Software engineer, project manager, aspiring luthier (guitar and mandolin builder)
- Greg Guitarbuster
A student in China . and a blogger
- ybs
I program computers and they drive me crazy, its symbiotic
- Mot Faerin
I'm an architecture student :)
- Shandiz
Long Haul Truck Driver by day, geek by night ;)
- Robert Couture
doctor.
- Snipergirl
I was an Analytical Chemist for many years, now I work on the inter-webs :)
- Ken Morley
Musical Janitor.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
Alex: advertiser
- Alex Badalic
I am a System Administrators at a University in The Netherlands.
- Peter Kruit
System admin in healthcare.
- Brian Bufalo
electrical engineer
- netvista
it manager
- david coxon
from twhirl
Economics student.
- Daniel Rowley
Business Development expert in alternative distribution channels
- Ali Haydar
Officially, Site Director. Just means I run a website.
- Kate
Mitch: manages engineers, yes, software
- Amund Tveit
physiologist, fitness & adventure advocate
- Tracy Benham
E-commerce Analyst. Background is market research and data analysis.
- Sally: baby flier
Currently looking for work, and working on improving my skills in the mean time.
- Crystal Tillman
im a fine arts major and a cashier, i just so happen to really like the internet.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I expect to see some statistical analysis, with pie charts and bar graphs, of all the responses in this thread. What does it all mean? ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
I'm a loss prevention manager
- Bill Majkowski
Swim Instructor, Massage Therapist, Nanny who loves the internet & other toys...
- Lisa L. Seifert
I work in interlibrary loan at a university medical library.
- Mary DeSive
from twhirl
I bend copper, drill steel and stick lots of pretty coloured wires in big metal cabinets for these people: http://www.mertech.co.uk
- Slappy Line
Outreach Volunteer and Technical Assistant for University
- Melanie Reed
Family business: steel.
- Nurse Katie
I am an Administrative Assistant, 10 years ago I was cab driver for 8 years and Computer Operator before that..
- David Gross
Meddler (Semi-Pro)
- zeroinfluencer
Freelance writer of the caffeinated kind.
- Andrea Nicosia
from fftogo
Crap Student
- Yuvi
Software Developer
- Eric Florenzano
Published Sci-fi author, https://www.createspace.com/3352706. IT background(2nd - 3rd tier, client/server programming, sr. tech analyst, c++ instructor) currently have unfinished projects to finish, http://www.worldlifesite.com/Project..., not employed by a company
- Monique
freelance computer support
- Grant Bierman
visualist/photographer/blogger
- Nia
Me is alpine ski racer (this season got 1st in greek nationals), mountain biker, traceur, high school student and tech geek blogger. These are my "occupations" for the time beeing.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
physician
- Brian Appleby
Landscape Architect
- JA Castillo
Internal control at a very large bank.
- Kamilah Gill
freelance writer / personal trainer / integral coach
- William Harryman
website project manager, freelance web developer, and sometimes tech consultant
- Daniel Morgan
Marketing director for a large environmental engineering firm
- Victor Panlilio
Lutheran pastor.
- Dan Walters
An Art Director until May 15. On May 16...well, I'm open for ideas (as long as they don't involve grey cubicles ,-)
- Jess
Dir of product management for an online business
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
I'm an outlier :-). Biotechnology business development.
- Jack H. Pincus
I'm a Social Media Expert :-)
- sofarsoShawn
At least you aren't a mlm. ;-P
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I've been building and running websites since the early 1990s. We founded a subscription content business called Arts Hub (sites in Australia, UK and US, 20k subscribers), sold it in 1996 to private investors. Same with a film/tv subscription site; a collaborative document site (launched at the same time as Writely but didn't get acquired by Google!). About to launch book NicheContentMillionaire.com. Oh, and run a coffeeshop on the site!
- David Eedle
Web developer/UI specialist is my primary job atm. Can code in a swath of languages as well as design software, 3D modelling etc
- Mo Kargas
Let's all brag about our careers who gives a crap
- orionstarr
orionstar - I think that you have missed the point. I am pretty sure that no one is bragging. The idea is to learn about other friendfeed folk. Just my take and perhaps I am wrong.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Marketing Expert@ Turkcell Telecommunications
- figen
Business analyst/MIS in Corp. America plus Co-founder/Advisor of a niche specialty advertsing business
- Jim Espinoza
Technology marketing.
- John E. Bredehoft
I like the picture! Can I be the one in red? ;) I work in interactive marketing.
- Violet Mae Lim
IT student (Technology Management, Greece) for now... :)
- Chris Zlatis
Graphic designer is my trade
- orionstarr
Social media "experts". :)
- Dimitar Vesselinov
Webmaster for TV station
- Jeremy Gordinier
During the day part time design/code for data analysis, but my passion is reading, reading, and writing in hopes of being a thought dealer. Am I the only one that dreams of having a crew of super enthusiastic folks that want to bring my more exotic ideas into reality?
- Mark Essel
C++ Developer
- Arvind
I have an IT background, did many years of training as well as IT architecture and project management. I currently run a consultancy in Tokyo, which helps multinationals with their various projects here by bridging the gap between the overseas understanding and the Japanese understanding of how things should be. I'm bilingual, which helps that.
- Rick Cogley
I'm a PR guy, frustrated photographer and aspiring woodworker.
- Kevin Pedraja
OK, I'll say it. If I'm the first user to 100,000 FriendFeed followers, I'll get this tattooed on my ass.
Thierry R. Andriamirado, Christian Kullander, urara and 97 other people liked this
0_0 <-- My serious face
- Johnny Worthington
*goes off to create 100K ff accounts* :P
- Ms Penny Claus
Are you saying you are going to follow 100,000 or you want 100,000 followers? Either way, are there 100,000 on FF yet?
- Justin Korn
If I could follow again and have it count as 2, I would....just for you.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Justin... 100,000 followers
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
When you announce that you got the tattoo--I'll just take your word for it.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Good luck with that... :)
- Justin Korn
Oh I'll be invoking the "pics or it didn't happen" command line...
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Oh, Johnny, if I could subscribe to you again, I would.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Oh no, I will stream it. Oh, and right cheek :D
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
How does your wife feel about this? Will she get one too?
- Justin Korn
The only time she will see it is when she is looking at my bare ass... And I'm married... so no problems there :P
- Johnny Worthington
99,423 to go!
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
Hehe, I'll race you. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Just checked with Rach, she's cool with it
- Johnny Worthington
shameless bump
- mjc
Oh. Oh wow.
- Mike Nayyar
g00d luck Johnny! :D
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
twitter game begin!
- netvista
Ouch!
- MikeAmundsen
You're getting Twitter in my FriendFeed. Please don't.
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
under speced; size please. (no, not the target) ...
- bob phillips
awesome...lets make this happen
- (jeff)isageek
I'm gonna keep you to that Johnny! And now you're one follower closer. :D
- Meryn Stol
Currently writing the Python script to register for friendfeed, follow Johnny Worthington, repeat. Have to rate limit it to avoid being blacklisted... hmmm...
- DGentry
Just subscribed. One less to get.
- Russ Jackson
If you pass your goal and get double the subscribers, can you tattoo the ff logo on the other cheek as well?
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
from fftogo
Just subscribed too!
- imabonehead
Just subscribed too :)
- Cristian
I'm going to ask all of my students to follow you - that'll bump you up a bit closer to your number. One will even be willing to write a bot for you -- so watch out -- and get that cheek ready
- LPH™ and his dog P™
People are confusing him following 100k with 100k following him. The later is what he is after here, methinks ;)
- Michael W. May
LOL
- Wayne Sutton
Damn, I'm already subscribed.
- Hutch Carpenter
Are you really Ashton Kutcher in disguise?
- jjprojects
Johnny's wife is hotter
- Michael W. May
I think you'll hit 100,000 comments or likes long before you hit 100,000 followers.
- April Russo (app103)
Honestly Johnny, you would do this for free, wouldn't you?
- Edward Zwart
The computer sez "no."
- ianf ⌘
Why @brandon_wirtz is wrong about Twitter being a great place for a conversation (discussion here over next few minutes):
Jay Neff, Colin Charles, Mark Aitken and 26 other people liked this
1. You can't bundle Tweets up and permalink to them like I can here.
- Robert Scoble
2. You can't participate on Twitter live where everyone else who isn't following you can see what's going on like this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
3. Finding the item that started a conversation can often be a real pain in the ass. Not here.
- Robert Scoble
Ooooh, someone with my last name ... don't see that very often!
- Rene Wirtz
4. People can't add onto the metadata of the original tweet, which makes it easier to find. You can do that here. For instance, I can add a keyword, say "wirtzwrong" and in a few seconds you can search for that term and find this item.
- Robert Scoble
4B. The search is already indexed: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I really like how you're starting to write tweet-saavy posts here - auto-tweeted to Twitter - that are drawing the conversation back to FF for comments, etc.
- Scott Loftesness
Agreed. That is why FF should focus on being where twitter conversations occur instead of actively ignoring tweets
- Christian Anderson
FF just does conversations better than Twitter
- Christian Anderson
5: Brandon Wirtz is an idiot. Proof: http://twitter.com/brandon... he wants to monetize my conversation. So embed this widget into your freaking blog and monetize me!
- Robert Scoble
Well put Scott & Christian
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Actually that was #5: you can embed this chat widget into your blog. Embedding a single conversation over on Twitter is difficult.
- Robert Scoble
#6: I can keep this conversation free of off topic comments, noise, and spam. You can't delete other people's tweets on Twitter so any search will be full of noise, spam, and off topic comments.
- Robert Scoble
twitgrid is pretty horrible, and it's all over ustream.tv just creates massive amounts of link spam and garbage @replies
- rob friedman
Karoli: that is provably wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I think stuff is way easier to find here. I can narrow the search better. And Save it for ever
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Karoli: I can permalink to this thread: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Try doing that over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: and I can search for this conversation in the future using "wirtzwrong" and find it. I can't do that on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I dont know that you'll get a lot of argument about conversation being better here. They simply are. The new beta features make this that much more pronounced.
- Christian Anderson
This just kills me from this guy "I hate friend feed because the disucssion doesn't near my ads"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
trying to follow a conversation on twitter is sometimes like playing the old game of telephone, you only get half of the conversation and have to guess the other half, and you can't go back , on friendfeed you can join the conversation at anytime
- Kim Landwehr
my challenge with FF is it or its community don't see it as a conversation engine.
- Christian Anderson
Rob: exactly. Brandon is all about getting more from his Google Ads.
- Robert Scoble
I love friendfeed for driving traffic where I want it to....sure does it better than just a tweet about the same thing
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The built in discussion threading in Plurk is appealing, but it's too web bound--the unique interface doesn't travel as well. Nice to have it all in one spot, though. Twitter on the phone, on the web, from TweetDeck, in FF, to blogs, from blogs--not so sure I want the thing to take over like that.
- Kathy Fitch
Getting the money is one thing, I don't really have a problem with it...he's just missing out on a huge traffic source because he doesnt get that conversation drives interest
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: true enough. I get a lot of traffic now from friendfeed to my blog, even though most of my comments happen here.
- Robert Scoble
Friend freed is not nearly as intuitive as Twitter either. I'm not stupid, and friend feed just doesn't click with me I hunt for how I find the disuccsion, I still cant figure out how to go directly to this thread rather than see it on my view.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: that's bullshit.
- Robert Scoble
And I hit enter so apparently that was Post? rather than Hey I want a new line?
- Brandon Wirtz
Totally agree with your points, Robert. I miss Twitter two years ago when real conversations would be going on for an entire hour or more, and random people would see and join in. Great community. Not today.
- Marina Martin
of course they do...and the more people are interested in your conversation, the more they're interested in your blog and everything else they do
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think we need to take one for the team, all jump onto the most popular platform, and go from there. Accuracy of information is higher when it comes from more people, and Twitter has more people.
- Colin
On Twitter your comments are mixed in with everyone else. Here? All we have to do is permalink to a single conversation. http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
You can't point oprah to this or grandma and have them just know how to use it.
- Brandon Wirtz
and I've said it before, I get WAY more traffic from a tweet that comes from friendfeed saying "Liked" than just a tweet about the same thing....and the like gets retweeted at least 5x more than any other tweet
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see FF as a place for chatting and Twitter as a place for announcements/questions (though they're harder to get answers for nowadays). I can't turn on SMS notifications via FF to hear when my Seattle friends are at a local bar, for example.
- Marina Martin
Colin: that's also bullshit. Accuracy of information does NOT go up with a larger crowd. Brandon: you are telling me that I can't link Oprah to this and have them understand how to use it? http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Then they don't deserve to be on Twitter, either.
- Robert Scoble
I'm happy if Oprah cant use this
- Lasse Johnsen
Marina: announcements are about all its good for anymore
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Lasse: Oprah can use this. It's just like Twitter. It's not rocket science.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, it's not bullshit, filtering can be improved on Twitter as well. All I have to do is thread conversation, add meta data like "likes", and Twitter has to open it to real-time
- Colin
Karoli: that searching on friendfeed isn't dramatically better than searching on http://search.twitter.com
- Robert Scoble
Threading is nice, but there are tools to view conversations on twitter as threads. And yes twitter sucks because if one of Scoble's friends responds to me we may have a convesation no one else can see. but Right now having this disucsssion I type, and type, and type, and you dont' see it until I post, and I dont' see what you are talking about. So it is really only good if I'm going to rant, not if I'm going to discuss
- Brandon Wirtz
Colin: Twitter doesn't have likes or comments or threading.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFight!
- Jesse Stay
What if someone gives it those?
- Colin
wow
- rob friedman
Colin: then it'll be copying friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
lol Jesse
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: what the hell are you smoking?
- Robert Scoble
But it will have Twitter's user-base.
- Colin
Colin: a bunch of spammers and celebrities?
- Robert Scoble
Colin: did you notice that Ashton's millionth follower hasn't even Tweeted yet. It is a bot. I am laughing my ass off.
- Robert Scoble
A bunch of people period. I listen to everyone before I make my opinion. (Or try to) =)
- Colin
It is a fact that Twitter has not added any new fetaure related to usability for a long time. Friend Feed makes a fantastic job at beta.friendfeed.com. It is good to see some competiton !
- Leonardo R Nogueira
lmao @ the bot for apluk
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
To my sensibilities, it becomes more of a "correspondence" than a "conversation," per se. The back and forth over days on the same subject might not even be more than exchanged haiku, but it is a sharing of a sort of spiritual connection you would never think of the internet as fostering. I see the change in ways of texting as a reconnection to the old customs of letter writing and correspondence on theories, ideas, politics and humor. I understand your point, but a limited tool is what you make of it.
- Phil Boiarski
Putting the widget on the blog is technically against Google Adsnes TOS since I dont' control the content, if you leave racist, profane, or what have you comments on my post about sponge bob.
- Brandon Wirtz
Rob: here's the millionth follower of Ashton: http://twitter.com/Sinners...
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Colin that Twitter + third-party apps can be a full-fledged FriendFeed competitor. Speed will remain an important problem for Twitter though. Right now, it's really 10x slower than FriendFeed. If Twitter gets its infrastructure in order, the race will get interesting.
- Meryn Stol
Well, you can't *make* people like something, even if it seems for all the world as if they ought to like it, and it would serve them well. I'm guessing most of the folks endlessly pushing the "be a social networking guru" recipes on Twitter aren't all that interested in conversational spaces like this. Feels like a threaded BB. For real rapid fire conversation, I'd still like to head into a MOO, but I lost. Too many folks just didn't get it, didn't see the appeal, found it overwhelming.
- Kathy Fitch
hahahaha! that's pathetic.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
how many of those bots do you suppose are aplusks own bots ?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And Yes as someone who makes 200k a year blogging monetization is an important part of that strategy. People may say that makes me not a blog purist, but you know what I can blog 8 hours a day because I'm a sell out 4 hours a day.
- Brandon Wirtz
Meryn: if Twitter relies on third parties to make conversations and live chat possible, it will fail to come even close tohere.
- Robert Scoble
Brandon: how you making money off of my Tweets?
- Robert Scoble
hmm
- rob friedman
What if Twitter keeps buying 3rd parties and integrating the best features into their own brand/site?
- Colin
My 2 cents? As Karoli is saying, I think, people are talking past each other here. Real-time chat is often more about socializing than "discussion. A forum (e.g. Nabble) is a threaded discussion. FF is a bastard hybrid of both, but is still more like blog comments on steroids. Twitter is a hybrid that more resembles a "wall" where something gets noticed in a large or small crowd. They all have a place, imo.
- Shoq
Threaded conversations from twitter is easy to put on a blog page, Chris Pirrilo had a tool built.
- Brandon Wirtz
June 21, Robert Scoble: "Twitter is for telling the world what you are doing (taking a shower) not for having conversations. They just don't work here." http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Majento
Brandon: you could embed a widget like these: http://friendfeed.com/embed and you would be able to make money off of my friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Phil, you sound like someone who would find the flow of a MOO conversation very satisfying.
- Kathy Fitch
Karoli: press 'q' to pause/unpause if comments are "flying out the window"
- Mark Traphagen
Brandon: wrong and I use Pirillo's tool. That's static, not live.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, why? As long as its back-end is fast enough, it won't matter. You can do anything with those 140 chars messages. Maybe at some point, no-one looks at the actual tweets anymore, and we only look at apps (supporting pictures, videos and more than 140 char messages)
- Meryn Stol
Shoq: so I'm not replying to you here? Oh, please.
- Robert Scoble
Meryn: I still read thousands of tweets every day. TweetDeck to the rescue!
- Robert Scoble
robert you gotta get something that works better than tweetdeck ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
By the way, did you know you can open this conversation up in a popup window? Visit here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what I meant was that - in the future - you may read those tweets in a whole different way. Also with threading, >140 chars (spread over multiple tweets, but invisible to you) etc.
- Meryn Stol
Robert, remember this? Nothing changed IMO http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Majento
Then click the timestamp again.
- Robert Scoble
I love those popup windows
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see nothing happening here that I can't do in twitter, most of these comments are no more targeted or on topic than the randomness of Twitter, the comments are mostly under 140 characters, and so I see no added benefit, and since Twitter has a larger audience I get more value from twitter.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: I just gave you a ton of things that Twitter does NOT do. I guess you can't read. I prefer people who can't read stay over on Twitter. They fit in with the celebrities and spammers better there.
- Robert Scoble
the threading you cant have for sure on twitter brandon...that's actually up to the replyer to click the right button or it's not threaded
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
All that said... I hate Twitter. It just sucks less than this does.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: rooms? lists? filter? meta-data? photo? embedded videos?
- Jérôme Flipo
Guess he's never heard of FriendFeed then.
- Nicholas James
Twitter is a recognizable brand, and I just want to get a lot of people into the conversation.
- Colin
@Brandon you should stop arguing, big green robert scoble is about to explode :)
- xavier vespa
A FriendFeed-like UI could be built on top of twitter right now, except for the speed. It would be limited to the speed of Twitter API, which is a total joke.
- Meryn Stol
heheh xavier
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
so lay your trap on twitter than drag them back to your cave(friendfeed)
- rob friedman
Colin: I have 80,000 followers on Twitter and I'm getting far fewer responses to things than I am here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
that works really well rob
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Colin: my blog is getting more traffic from friendfeed than from Twitter on most days, too.
- Robert Scoble
lay the trap from frindfeed to twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ohh, thanks for the link to the pop up. Faster and much more MOO-ey.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon, i've shared more than a few threads with comments of over 140, around 350 :-)
- Majento
Robert, You introduced me the same Day to both FF and Twitter. You may have more traction here, but for reaching an audience that is monetizable, sustainable, and in my opinion enjoyable, I prefer twitter.
- Brandon Wirtz
That's because FriendFeed is threaded, real-time, but probably mostly because you are FriendFeed's biggest speaker? =)
- Colin
the internet is all about cannibalizing one service for another, we early adopters just drag our friends 20min late to the beginning of the party, and in a year or so we'll be dragging them somewhere else.
- rob friedman
Brandon: it's pretty clear you are religious about Twitter cause you aren't even able to admit that it has a lot of things that Twitter doesn't do.
- Robert Scoble
I would also say twitter has better ettiquette because you would never have called me an idiot at a conference, or on twitter. And you will on FF.
- Brandon Wirtz
Hmmm. This conversation itself makes Robert's point. This is the first real discussion I've ever had that at all flowed from Twitter. So!
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: how are you monetizing my Tweet?
- Robert Scoble
Brandon: I'd gladly call you an idiot on Twitter. I've done that to lots of people over there, when they earn the title.
- Robert Scoble
It's been said before, but there is in fact room for both. No one is an idiot for choosing one, the other, or both. Its a personal preference. I'll be glad if everyone one day realizes that. But if they don't that's their choice as well I suppose.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Well, the first one I've ever witnessed, anyway. "Idiot" is fairly tame as epithets go, though, isn't it.
- Kathy Fitch
I monetize your tweets all the time. You make a point, I make a counter point, and my followers who aren't part of the cult of scoble have a discussion with me about it. I sell services all the time because of things you and Guy Kawasaki argue over.
- Brandon Wirtz
I remember Robert suggesting that people call him out "Robert you idiot!" :-)
- Majento
Troy: that's not my point. I use Twitter all day long. I have a computer that does nothing but run TweetDeck. But TweetDeck is a horrid place to have this kind of back and forth conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Rob is right about the constant moving west, I think.
- Kathy Fitch
because... Twitter has more people with money to spend. It's not near as elitist.
- Brandon Wirtz
Early adopters are restless creatures.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: you are funny.
- Robert Scoble
<--never spends a dime on any twitter related item.
- Kathy Fitch
Indeed Robert, Tweetdeck UI is a joke for conversations. Only thing it's usable for is monitoring/search.
- Meryn Stol
Kathy: yes we are, aren't we? Notice we haven't seen a fail whale here.
- Robert Scoble
Tweetdeck is excellent for aiming one's attention effectively.
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy: these discussions happen frequently (and yes robert...never a sign of a whale!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Why use Tweetdeck when you can use a relatively good web service that parses twitter efficiently?
- Majento
I like it.
- Kathy Fitch
It's reminiscent of a MOO discussion--cool.
- Kathy Fitch
haha
- Majento
Can't throw things at you, though, so I do miss the object orientation.
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy: here's a list of all conversations that have had more than 100 comments: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... Brandon, that's another thing you can't do on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
ty robert.
- Kathy Fitch
its interesting watching the conversation here, and in the FF air app, sometimes the webpage updates first, sometimes its the air app. obviously you can only reply using the page.
- rob friedman
peoplebrowsr works way better majento and runs on the web
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, Love you as I do, you bring audience with you where ever you go, which makes your view of things very different than others. on FF you are a leader, and everyone on there knows who you are. But like your loathing of Facebook, when you step in to a more mainstream medium you dislike it.
- Brandon Wirtz
You are right a lot of Twitter is illiterate, you only get 140 characters not much room for 12 letter words
- Brandon Wirtz
Facebook is eminently loathe-able, though.
- Kathy Fitch
/me throws wifi card @person
- rob friedman
Brandon: I don't loath Facebook. It just isn't that useful for someone who is trying to have public conversations with lots of people.
- Robert Scoble
cracking up at rob.
- Kathy Fitch
guruvan, i think i tried it before...
- Majento
Here's all conversations that mention Brandon Wirtz. Another thing Twitter can't do: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
But there are 100 fold as many Twitter users, and I make money monetizing the masses.
- Brandon Wirtz
beta out very soon majento
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thing is, who cares if Twitter sucks for conversation. If someone doesn't like it that much they'll try to find something better, and may end up here. Though I have seen a lot of people say are just fine with the way twitter does back and forth. They are not wrong. It is their opinion. If it works for them, fine.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
awww Brandon has a man crush on Scoble. :)
- rob friedman
Rob, in a MOO you could whisper behind backs, too.
- Kathy Fitch
And as soon as Twitter can do that Scoble? What does FF have over Twitter then, it's design?
- Colin
lol @ rob
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kathy: I'm whispering behind your back on DM's here.
- Robert Scoble
I think one of the FF devs said something about new DM features. maybe whisper?
- rob friedman
Twitter isn't a conversation, though. It's noise that sometimes resolves into a shape, but often doesn't.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert and I have debated things for 5+ years we were both MVPs and both worked at MSFT with the title evangelist, and we got stuck in death valley together.
- Brandon Wirtz
Kathy you could do thast with am IM client ;) or in a DM conversation
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
DMs work the same way as regular conversations
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Btw, there's another great service when it comes to threaded convo, it's small, Kwippy.com
- Majento
Colin: I've been on Twitter nearly three years waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting....
more...
- Robert Scoble
Rob, I've never loved IM
- Kathy Fitch
I really did love MediaMOO.
- Kathy Fitch
I'm not a huge fan....but it works...and like I said for a whispe send DMs on FF
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Colin: wake me up when Twitter adds these features, then we'll talk. @ev says he doesn't want to add metadata to Twitter (like comments and likes). Why? It would make Twitter more complex.
- Robert Scoble
I'll keep that in mind, Rob, thanks.
- Kathy Fitch
I loathe Face book as well. I dont' get why people like it. I'm much more a linked in person.
- Brandon Wirtz
This is my first time on FF.
- Kathy Fitch
Most social Media Platforms suck.
- Brandon Wirtz
For those who are just joining this argument, er, conversation, you can join in live here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Oh, Brandon, Twitter can't do that.
- Robert Scoble
I use facebook and linkedin alot
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I've avoided developing yet another interest. I need a clone or three.
- Kathy Fitch
ive loved all chat when it works well, IRC, jabber MUC, MUD's, dialup BBS forums.
- rob friedman
Comparative thinking is over rated :-)
- Majento
Colin: Do you really use FriendFeed?
- Nicholas James
What if someone else adds those features, not Twitter itself
- Colin
I use FB some, because it seems requisite, somehow, but I've no affection for it.
- Kathy Fitch
Nicholas, I don't, not until now ;)
- Colin
Rob: chat sucks. I used to help run Leo Laporte's chat room and I can do a thesis of why it never took off.
- Robert Scoble
I do a lot of reading instead!
- Colin
Colin: wake me up when that happens. I figure it's about another month before Facebook copies the new features of friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
pwd!
- Majento
The instant transcript here is nice. It both moves and stays. Easy to reference and return to.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert, granted its not for everyone who is not computer litereate, but that what's software is supposed to do, by lowering the bar. now there is IRC web apps and other craziness
- rob friedman
Kathy: and guess what? Google indexes it! So does friendfeed. You can search for anything in here and find it.
- Robert Scoble
do you yeally think thsat facebook has the infrastructure to run realtimte robert?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
(sry bad typos)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see the appeal, Robert. If you hadn't twittered the invitation, I wouldn't have given it a whirl.
- Kathy Fitch
guruvan we all love ya
- Majento
:)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: yes. Facebook has the infrastructure. They have to rebuild some of its technology, though, because they have 200 million people and not everyone is on the same data center.
- Robert Scoble
Bill: Leo Laporte is doing some of the most innovative media around. And he is making more money off of this stuff than Brandon Wirtz is.
- Robert Scoble
GSLB
- rob friedman
Facebook always seems awkwardly organized to me--especially now--and that's why I hate it.
- Kathy Fitch
Yeah Robert, like Rob, I have doubt if Facebook can follow FriendFeed with real-time. At least in that time-frame you suggest: one month or so. It may take them quite long...
- Meryn Stol
I don't like it for the sutpid apps I gotta block all the time
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert you see it as a feature list, I see it as obtainability curve. I don't think you will ever get Oprah on Friend feed. And you would argue you don't want her on it, But.... I would argue that any of the mothers of any of the girls I date would end up on Something Oprah and Ellen are on. And that means I can have a discussion with them. And even if that discussion is hampered by the medium being substandard, it's like clubbing in LA, if I can't get my friend in the Club, Its not a club I will enjoy.
- Brandon Wirtz
Meryn: Facebook had real time running and it's very close to realtime anyway. Their users hated it cause they didn't like the idea that they'd have to deal with a feed.
- Robert Scoble
I not sure the people on Facebook want it in real time, most of the people I follow on facebook are my family and friends from college and they are not ready or wanting real time.
- Kim Landwehr
I loved the old newsfeed....esp the realtime one
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: you would have said the exact same thing to me about Twitter two years ago and you would have been wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed Brandon
- Colin
Brandon: celebrities show up when large audiences and hype shows up.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is a good place to get a conversation started, but a lousy place in which to conduct it.
- jcunwired
I like the pre-celeb days of tools. Way more fun. Sigh.
- Kathy Fitch
Hmm yes, well maybe I'm mistaken. I'm not an expert on these matters.
- Meryn Stol
jcunwired--well put.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert: good point
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: Facebook has 200 million users and is far more complex than Twitter or friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
This is a very nimble thing, isn't it?
- Kathy Fitch
Also very driven by literacy, though.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: how did Facebook get 10 to 20x more users than Twitter and 100 to 200 times more users than friendfeed if complexity matters?
- Robert Scoble
Colin: Facebook have added some of FriendFeed's items. Also you haven't added anything to your feed once you add items to your feed and engage in converstation etc you'll realise the value of FriendFeed as a conversation agent which you can declare by "liking" something or commenting on the particular content. Which unlike Twitter other people can participate at the same time without the "@" constantly which is hard to keep up with especially if there are as many people involved & as many comments like this
- Nicholas James
Regarding Twitter two years ago... You and I are in agreement... I am saying of all the gin joints of all the world, I'll hang in the one with the crowd that gets me the most bang for the buck. And While that makes me a lemming... It makes me a lemming who is well fed.
- Brandon Wirtz
That should keep the celebs away in droves. This is also a very cool platform for just organizing things, isn't it?
- Kathy Fitch
FF needs to put in a way for you to mark where you left off in comments, for when you have to afk, like I do now.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Shoot--I'm going to end up putting time in here, too, now.
- Kathy Fitch
But I also think that I could have as much of this discussion on Twitter with little loss in the quality of the conversation
- Brandon Wirtz
Lots of the academics on FB use it for conversation, but Brandon, I've never seen a conversation at all like this on Twitter.
- Kathy Fitch
Agreed, Leather.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: What would be the mechanism for easily tracking conversations in Twitter? @? #? For a small group, maybe.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Kathy, You must follow the wong people, I have these debates daily on twitter
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: You seriously think that this many people can participate, with this level of conversation and actually keep up?
- Nicholas James
The #groups can kind of foster it, though. That seems to be growing.
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy there is celebrity at all levels of interaction. We all follow a group mentality to some degree.
- rob friedman
Brandon: link me to one.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, yes, I enjoy following all of the wrong people. ;-)
- Kathy Fitch
it doesnt work that well tho kathy
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Leather, you are right. it' too noisy in twitter.
- netvista
people have to remember to use the tags
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I had a debate about AmazonFail the other day with a good 15 people and another 20 popping in and out.
- Brandon Wirtz
and not mis type them
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
you can't possibly have the huge debate on twitter if you follow 3k people
- Brandon Wirtz
I agree, Rob--you have to visit the page. So conversation via Twitter is always about moving someplace else.
- Kathy Fitch
Not much conversation in a club, Brandon--you have to head to the kitchen, for that. This spot is very kitcheny.
- Kathy Fitch
The comments go by to quickly. but on twitter lots of times I am in two debates at once.
- Brandon Wirtz
very correct kathy
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
These Scoble Salons are really cool: lots of interaction in hundreds of comments over a really short time. And they provide a wealth of information on using Friendfeed. We're having a great conversation on FF, but it's about FF itself. Nothing wrong with that, but it leaves me hungering for more conversation on more subjects. Just sayin'
- Tom Landini
mmm speaking of kitchen, im kinda hungry
- rob friedman
Brandon: right. Twitter conversations are where information goes to get lost.
- Robert Scoble
I can do more than one conversaton at a time on FF brandon
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
POPup windows!
- rob friedman
laughing
- Kathy Fitch
lol@ Scoble Salons heh
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kathy, its all about who you are going to dance with :-) And many of the lounges in LA are pretty quiet off the dance floor. Aqua Lounge in Beverly Hills, has plenty of quiet corners.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: You can engage in several conversations constantly on FriendFeed. Infact you can also participate with 100+ people in a conversation on FriendFeed. Try doing that on Twitter.
- Nicholas James
Well, I've certainly never happened into a long conversation via Twitter--folks seem very intent on the RT there, and on building followers, and pushing blogs.
- Kathy Fitch
Not a lot of room for conversation in that.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon--this is a quiet corner, no? And you are here.
- Kathy Fitch
I've had some long conversations on twitter but they're usually one on one and irritate other people
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And here, I've spoken with you for the first time ever, a thing unlikely to have happened in Twitter.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon you've even said you can't have a conversation on Twitter when you follow 3k people. Twitter isn't a conversation agent - FriendFeed is.
- Nicholas James
I would have to say that trying to watch more than 30 ppl chatting at the same time on FF could get very messy and scroll the bottom down way too much if you can't keep up. it would be nice if the comment textarea was a static bar at the bottom of the page
- rob friedman
nite bill
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Mostly I don't want to debate 100 people at once. I want to pick 4 people and pick the points that matter. 100 people is a mob. I can't change 50 people's mind at a time, I can change 2-3
- Brandon Wirtz
rob mine is
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
rob - click on the timestamp if you want to watch a fast-moving conversation like this one. I'm looking at a page with a textarea that stays at the bottom.
- Bruce Lewis
My Follow list adds and subtracts relevant people based on the conversation, or I use Groups
- Brandon Wirtz
Yeah--real conversations require conversation sized groups.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: we're just talking 1:1 here.
- Robert Scoble
@Rob Friedman: I was thinking the exact same a minute ago
- Nicholas James
If I group the eco nuts, and am in an eco nut mood I go argue with them
- Brandon Wirtz
NO, my text area is at the bottom, I'm on the page for this thread
- rob friedman
Robert, that statement above may be true, but twitter is also a very good place where conversations may be found. Again - not conducted. FF is the place to conduct a conversation (if comparing the two).
- jcunwired
I think you pick one person to go up against and work on them..... Like Robert! ;)
- Colin
I just want to be able to read scroll back and type an entry at the same time!
- rob friedman
If I'm in a What is Robert and Jason Calacanis and Guy talkign about I tune to that channel
- Brandon Wirtz
@Bruce Lewis - Thanks!
- Nicholas James
Pauses to wonder what an "eco nut mood" might look like.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: please link to one of those Twitter conversations. I want to get something out of it, but I can't figure out how to find the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Would like to see that link, too.
- Kathy Fitch
twitter is a place where some good ideas are found...but not conversations usually
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
We are talking 1:1 here robert, and this doesn't suck. But going back to the club analogy... We're hanging in the quiet corner but there is not dance floor. I can get my intelectual needs fulfilled but much less of my Friend / Social Needs.
- Brandon Wirtz
Often, I just let things roll by, scanning for interesting patterns or differences--one of these things is not like the others. But on Twitter, there's a whole lot of echo chambering going on.
- Kathy Fitch
Or, at least, I can't figure out how to find the entire conversation. By the time I see Brandon saying something the other side has already disappeared and it's too hard to engage. Here? No. You can engage on this thread in six months. It will still be here.
- Robert Scoble
This starts to feel like IRC again. fun. :) Instant chat rooms for anyone, though they are not really rooms, but more like "meetings". The thread is the meeting. And each meeting gets its url.
- Meryn Stol
#journchat might be one of those robert....but you have to use it via 3rd party web page to use it well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Meryn: very good point
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good night, Bill.
- Kathy Fitch
rob: that's just three grunts, not a conversation. Where's a conversation on Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
and without all the kicks and bans
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good night Bill Heslin. I would never hear you loved us on twitter since I'm not following you. FriendFeed is where the party is and I can mingle with everybody.
- Bruce Lewis
You know that joke about social media expert with 70 phone apps for the different mediums? well most normal people have one realtime App, and one What ever "time" we are calling Facebook
- Brandon Wirtz
Robert, don't ask me I just performed the search query based on the topic of the conversation he said he had on twitter.
- rob friedman
Rob: you do realize I can delete your items here, right? So if you get out of hand I can clean up your mess. I can also block you, in which case you can't even see this to engage on it again.
- Robert Scoble
Good Night Bill. And Brandon why don't you just admit that FriendFeed is the place for conversations - we all know its true - Twitter its practically impossible to do so.
- Nicholas James
People are either Myspace, or Face book. they are Twitter, or FF
- Brandon Wirtz
If a conversation can't be found or revisited and reconsidered, then . . .
- Kathy Fitch
Rob: this decentralized moderation is VERY powerful.
- Robert Scoble
I know that but it's not a games here robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
on IRC it's a game
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: not true. I know thousands of people who are on all of the social networks.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, part of what you are saying is that conversation (to the extent that it can occur at all) loses value, disappears, may as well not have happened.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert, I know you can block me, that's fine if you choose to do so. I'm just here participating, if you'd like me to go just ask k?
- rob friedman
What's decentralized moderation?
- Tom Landini
And I know Millions who are on only 1.
- Brandon Wirtz
Tom: no central admins
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
each person responsible for the threads they create
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: I am all. I know alot of people who are also on all.
- Nicholas James
Kathy: right. I had a lot of conversations the night of the Chinese Earthquake. I can't get to those anymore. They never existed if you can't get to them again.
- Robert Scoble
Tom: you can delete things underneath nodes you create. I can delete things underneath nodes I create.
- Robert Scoble
Nodding at Robert. I totally see what you're saying. Value requires that a thing not be utterly ephemeral.
- Kathy Fitch
Rob, it's actually much like moderation of blog comments. And the blog model scales. It has proven to scale.
- Meryn Stol
I don't disagree with you robert on the archive thing... Twitter sucks for that.
- Brandon Wirtz
but you are a trail blazer and you use tools to their fullest
- Brandon Wirtz
Meryn: correct again
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: I guarantee that in a year you'll be saying that Twitter sucks for a lot of things. I notice you tend to follow me by about two years. :-)
- Robert Scoble
So interesting, but I must run. Thanks so much for letting me play in your sandbox.
- Kathy Fitch
hagn Kathy :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kathy: I'll come over to your sandbox next time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And you'd be welcome there! Night, all!
- Kathy Fitch
Twitter sucks for an amazing number of things.
- Brandon Wirtz
and it's still good for a few...like announcing a conversation on friendfeed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see FF sometimes as the realtime blogosphere... The model is quite similar, but MUCH faster. What's really different from blogging is the Friend of a Friend feature (that you see where your friends have commented on, or what they liked). Take that away, and it's like blogs, but then realtime.
- Meryn Stol
but... Twitter can get me paid, and Twitter can get me Laid. I dont' know of to many people who find dates via FB, or who have been able to monetize it.
- Brandon Wirtz
Scobleizer, I think you're wrong.
- Bruce Lewis
In a year Brandon won't be talking about twitter at all.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: that's possible. Even probable.
- Robert Scoble
brandon, the conversation here drives tons of traffic ON twitter...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: I know people who have monetized Facebook - they run some applications there ;)
- Nicholas James
you can tweet right from FF too ...and drive the traffic to your blog...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: Twitter is good for a LOT of things. Starting conversations is one of them. Building text-based apps like the Washington State Department of Transportation did to tell you how long waiting times are at the border, is another.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I am ahead of you on monetizing every medium you had a 2 year lead on.
- Brandon Wirtz
thats a great app robert...theres all kinds of cool things that can use twitter as a transport
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: I don't debate how well I'm monetizing but I will put my tax return against yours anytime.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yes, but this all would work just as well on FriendFeed. Plus this would take away the 140 chars limit.
- Meryn Stol
Win vs Linux, FF vs FB, FF vs Twitter, anything else? it sucks!
- netvista
@netvista: FriendFeed and Twitter are not competitors. Nor are Facebook and FriendFeed.
- Nicholas James
Ok I'm really off to bed now... This thing is addictive as crack. ;)
- Meryn Stol
That might be interesting. I'm pretty sure I made more at MSFT. and This year I'll approach 7 figures.
- Brandon Wirtz
Hmmm...netvista has a point. Scoble, when are you going over to Disqus?
- Bruce Lewis
Meryn: it's worse than crack.
- Robert Scoble
If not surpass it
- Brandon Wirtz
Bruce: soon, soon!
- Robert Scoble
is that all that matters though brandon? money?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: congratulations. Unfortunately I can't discuss my Fast Company deals in public. Let's just say I'm very happy.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sure you are "replying," here, but in a linear comment thread which is useless when you have 300 comments like this. People can't auto-thread, or remember what they replied to. And I was not knocking this, only clarifying differences. As I read most of your points, you want to mash all the best features together, and frankly, I do too. But where that happens is still an open issue. You seem convinced it should be here, and perhaps you're right.
- Shoq
That will be cool. As much fun as I had saying, "Scobleizer, I think you're wrong", it's more fun to get coverage of cool tech, which Disqus definitely is.
- Bruce Lewis
Shoq: I can see what everyone is replying to here. Oh, you mean if someone came in right now and they wanted to reply to something said an hour ago? Well, it's not that hard. Want me to demonstrate?
- Robert Scoble
Observation: When threads like this get popular, the interaction on other parts of FriendFeed gets pretty dead. This didn't seem to happen as much with the old UI.
- Mike Doeff
Rob Nelson: no. but if I can do what I like to do because it pays the bill I don't ever have to "work"
- Brandon Wirtz
That may be a yes.
- Brandon Wirtz
Every moment we argue who is the best, no result! just like win or linux, even Qt vs Gmome in Linux world.
- netvista
Mike Doeff: That will change as more communities adopt FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
but it keeps coming back down to just that for you brandon
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Has anyone heard of TweetChat? http://tweetchat.com/ It turns the concept of those # tags into a chat atleast somewhat resembling this.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Well the crux of the argument was "is twitter a great place for conversation"
- Brandon Wirtz
I hold that it is people who make a great conversation
- Brandon Wirtz
Rob: Brandon does things for money. Except I'm wondering what he's doing here. Heh. Brandon: no, the argument is that Twitter sucks for having conversations. There's no way we could have done this over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
and I find that less and less on twitter by the day brandon
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Same Difference. I say FF sux for conversations because Oprah, can't or won't come.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: FriendFeed isn't "mainstream" like Twitter is.
- Nicholas James
Brandon, FF is where I meet people for great conversation. Retweets aren't as useful for finding interesting people as open comment threads like this one.
- Bruce Lewis
you say Twitter sux, because it lacks features and not as many peopel can participate
- Brandon Wirtz
Yes Robert, I would like to see that demo. Still new to FF, mostly
- Shoq
You know what we are both right.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: I don't judge things are good only because Oprah uses them. If that was the case then Twitter sucked until this morning and I've been on that for three years.
- Robert Scoble
Once it hits "mainstream" which it eventually will especially with the new BETA then it will be alot better then Twitter infact it already is - just the celebs aren't using it because, they have their aids running their accounts and the can't "like" and "comment" in the way the real celeb will.
- Nicholas James
Brandon, Scoble has no problem admitting when he's wrong. Just give a link to a conversation on twitter made great by Oprah's participation and he'll admit your point in a heartbeat.
- Bruce Lewis
Twitter is the dive bar that lets everyone in, and is a little crowded, and a little noisy, but everyone is welcome, and your more likely to run in to some one you wanted to have a conversation with.
- Brandon Wirtz
Shoq, here you go. Let me argue with something Christian Anderson said "my challenge with FF is it or its community don't see it as a conversation engine." Christian: the "belief" of the community about what friendfeed is is about to radically change, particularly when we get live search feeds here.
- Robert Scoble
Oprah may be a bad example she was just top of mind.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: you have not been able to back up your points with proof. Just link to a good conversation you had back and forth with other people and where i could join in and also be seen.
- Robert Scoble
she tweeted he lunch order today
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And the problems with looking back in history on twitter is not lost on me
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: if you had a good conversation and we can not see it did that conversation really happen?
- Robert Scoble
Robert if you had a good conversation and we can not see it did that conversation really happen?
- Brandon Wirtz
By the way, we just passed 375 comments here. Try THAT on Twitter and see how many "unfollows" you get.
- Robert Scoble
It's like human memory, not very good ;).
- Colin
You have history, I have reach
- Brandon Wirtz
Acutally everytime I have good debate on twitter my follow count goes up
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: Show me one Twitter conversation with a conversation like this, with as many participants and with people not being confused.
- Nicholas James
Brandon: you have two followers here on friendfeed. I have 33,000. By the way, will you add some tweets and blogs into your friendfeed account please?
- Robert Scoble
I have no idea how I have 2 followers. That's like 800x as many as I should
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: one of them is me. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
heh
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Increasing your follower count does not equal good conversation
- Christian Burns
Anyway, this conversation is no longer more interesting than me getting a glass of Merlot, so I'll leave you and see ya later.
- Robert Scoble
enjoy your wine robert :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, I think another part of the problem is the user paradigm. Professionals who want to have focused discussions like this, can adapt to this linear style of pseudo-chat. The music freaks love meembo's real time chat, the JustinTV people are using twitter-style chat AND real time at the same time. This conversation is getting to the point where it's more of a chat. But none of this is what Twitter users are doing with @aplusk, or even their co-workers. They aren't discussing. Just tweeting :)
- Shoq
Christian: true, but he was saying he has more reach. Not in today's world. I have more followers on friendfeed than he does on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Technically, this whole thread could have started at http://tweetchat.com/room... instead and everyone could have followed every comment just like they are here. The only problem is everyone else not in the room also sees it.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Tony: tweetchat isn't nearly as satisfying and if I tried doing back and forth like this I would have gotten at least 1,000 unfollow messages.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about the more reach. I could be thsat if I asked around to my friends online, they would mostly know the name Scoble, and not Wirtz
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Shoq: Oh, you can use friendfeed to broadcast out URLs and self-serving tweets too. I do that all the time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
regardless of blog derived income
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: I know a lot of rich people who don't blog at all. Imagine that!
- Robert Scoble
haha...most of the rich people I know don't blog robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
friendfeed is wonderful for the selfserving tweets I'll second that
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Robert The satisfying part, thats personal preference. The resulting unfollows, yes I agree that's still lacking in the alternative. But it is evolving and that issue could be addressed. But thats my whole point, its all evolving.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Rob: even better, with one self serving tweet on friendfeed you can hit both friendfeed AND twitter. So, if you are a lazy monetization engine like Brandon you get a two for one special! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, don't forget to add in ping.fm to add to the distribution of the social networks. :)
- rob friedman
Tony: yeah, it's evolving. Friendfeed is an addon to Twitter right now. You did notice how effectively I got Brandon to come here instead of wasting my Twitter follower's time with an esoteric argument, right? Right?
- Robert Scoble
OK, 400 comments is enough. I'm going for that glass of wine now and am off to think about Obama's new CTO.
- Robert Scoble
You can do wine and FF at the same time, can't you? I'm cleaning the kitchen and still participating.
- Bruce Lewis
Exactly on all points. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
does anyone know how many items in FF come from twitter? if twitter isn't exit, how about FF?
- netvista
Bruce: yes, but Milan wants to play too. Anyway, I'll see ya all later.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Admittedly I hadn't thought one way or the other about Brandon. I just remember you asking for an example of how a conversation could be followed on Twitter the same way it is here. So I gave one. Though the execution does need more work.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Alright Robert. Looking forward to Disqus.
- Bruce Lewis
have a good night robert...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's not possible to have conversation with multiple people on a topic(simultaneously) because of no threading and Thanks Majento for your comment:)
- Mayank Dhingra
it is possible but you have to pay closer attention. touch typing skill helps
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I really think Twitter is a great place for conversation, just not a great place to converse.
- Michiel Sikkes
twitter is a better place to START a conversation not have one. Surprising what can be said ion 140 characters, though.
- Sheryl
Sheryl's onto it...More and more I find conversations start on Twitter and then pick them up here on FF. Or - sometimes a thread is sparked on FF and then I find new peeps joining in when they catch the feed in Twitter or FB. A lovely, tangled mesh, innit?!...
- Thom Kennon
OK, late to the game, but isn't the only point here that we have conversations where the people are almost regardless of the technology? FriendFeed is in my opinion for the power user far more useful for reasons above. But Twitter is media hyped and very direct to get into.
- Mark Aitken
I'd also like to see Google make sense of Twitter for indexing. Might be a very good reason it's not bought it yet.
- Mark Aitken
Yikes. I really suck at teaching Japanese.
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What a coincidence, I suck at learning it!
- Joe Pierce
Nandakorewa!
- nouhad
My daughter is learning Japanese on her own. Hopefully I'm going to be able to get her into a community college class (she'll be a HS soph in the fall) so she can get credit for it. she's immersed, loves the culture, language, all of it. Watch out, Japan...she'll be there one day. :)
- Karoli
What are you trying to teach the Japanese?
- Johnny Worthington
The ways of FriendFeedisu, or something like that? ;)
- Tyson Key
特に口語突っ込まれるとﾂﾗｲんだよねｗ
- browneyes
どーのこーのって、どう訳していいのか...（汗) てきとーになんか言ったけどw どんまぃん♪w
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
HAI.
- Rochelle
you're trying to explain sweat?
- BeeLing
(汗）= :\
- Mona Nomura
瀑布汗
- netvista
Wow. Your tweets come from Twitter to friendfeed within seconds now. The real-time web just took a step forward. Thank you!
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Keep up Scoble that news is 4 hours old: https://friendfeed.com/e... :-)
- sofarsoShawn
I'm always impressed how quickly FF roles out small little fixes and updates while keeping such a high up time. Kudos fellas!
- Mark Philpot
Sofarsoshawn I liked it back then but the experience here massively changed because of the new speed.
- Robert Scoble
Indeed the uptime is INCREDIBLE! Rockstars running this show...AND they USE it...far cry from that other service ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Mine came through so fast, I didn't even see it in the notifier!
- Michael Fidler
i can't imagine! It's too fast. How did they do that?
- netvista
FF just needs a way to auto-create imaginary frie...feeds from your friend list at Facebook and Twitter. Then you could really see some adoption of FF as the best Twitter client.
- Kevin Kuphal
Literally less than a second from TweetDeck to FF beta. Mind blowing.
- Mark Philpot
Kevin: keep talking this one up...I'm sure they'll address it soon somehow. I've got this request littered everywhere. ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
+1 Kevin
- David HC Soul
Thank you ff and twitter :)
- Alp
f | More <i>Ubuntu Kung Fu</i> [Book Excerpt] - http://www.feedly.com/feedly#...
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i am using ubuntu now! good book!
- netvista
from Bookmarklet
11:16am... How fast are you FriendFeed?
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Good!
- Johnny Worthington
Alex, for you it's 11:16am tomorrow! THAT is how fast it is :P
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
One big difference between Twitter and friendfeed (in Twitter's favor too!!!). See here:
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People follow on Twitter. My friendfeed rates have gone way down.
- Robert Scoble
I looked into a few people I've recommended. On Twitter they are getting followed at a MUCH higher rate than their friendfeed accounts are.
- Robert Scoble
That's not a good trend for friendfeed, because it means that there's a much stronger power law in effect there where people like me will have more power to get content noticed than new people who come along.
- Robert Scoble
That is because Twitter is getting a lot of mainstream media attention unlike Friendfeed.
- Veetrag
I wonder why that is? I have some theories that I'll explore over next few minutes.
- Robert Scoble
either im missing something...or haven't used friendfeed much... can you only comment on the main post - or can you comment on a comment?
- Cole Orton
Come to the live version of this post to join along in live time: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
It's much easier to add people in twitter and then to just ignore them. FriendFeed is much richer.
- Kevin Gamble
Robert, just because you recommend someone on FF doesn't mean they'll automatically get followed. If he or she isn't interacting here, why would I? I could just read their tweets elsewhere.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
i really think ff is missing out if you can't comment on a comment
- Cole Orton
Veetrag: not true. I filtered out for numbers of people on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Tina; yet on Twitter if I recommend someone they get followed in droves.
- Robert Scoble
twitter doesn't require an attention span, which a lot of the internet doesn't have anymore
- BCK
Robert: When you Like and comment on entries from the folks you follow on FriendFeed, you're putting their material in our line of sight. It's not as important to follow massive numbers of people on FF, because one's network does the work of pulling in new content.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cole: what are you talking about. Just use the first name of the comment you are replying to, just like I did.
- Robert Scoble
Brevity of information in twitter? More thorough information on friendfeed? It depends on how much the follower is wanting/willing to consume.
- jcunwired
While your point may be true, I don't understand if it means anything....
- Bwana ☠
BCK: nope, I don't think you've hit the answer either.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired: FAIL too. You still haven't hit it.
- Robert Scoble
Flashback to 1997. Twitter = Lotus cc:Mail. FF = MS Outlook/Exchange.
- Peter Ghosh
that just seems like bad design - there's no "link" as to what comment you're commenting on that way.
- Cole Orton
Just try to have this conversation in Twitter. That's not happening.
- Kevin Gamble
That's true, Robert, but assuming you're talking about the rec you made Friday night 1) it was in a comment, not your original post (which would get more attention) and 2) time of day really does matter.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bwana: on Twitter everyone's page has tiles of the people who they've followed and the numbers of people they are following. Twitter has created a "follower game." Friendfeed doesn't make that game so obvious so people don't play it.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is more serious than twitter. I mean that friendfeed is used for spreading interesting topics and conversations. Twitter is more to get updated and the majority uses for uhm lets see.. nothing useful.
- Rafael
I already follow 1300 people. I only follow more people if they A) are adding good content B) are participating or C) are friends/family
- Alex Scoble
No follower game is a bad thing? FOaF obsoletes it imho.
- Bwana ☠
I have followed you on friendfeed since yesterday... much easier to break through the noise, but I have been on Twitter longer so I tend to follow your recomends there.
- Michael Angelo Truncale
I can interact very easily with people I'm not following on here. Sometimes I don't even realize that I'm not following certain people.
- Michael McKean
Tina: I've been watching the follower numbers of other people who recommend people too. On friendfeed we are far more adverse. I believe that the real-time version of friendfeed has caused people to unsubscribe, too.
- Robert Scoble
I get all kinds of nuggets on FriendFeed from people I don't follow... through FoaF
- Bwana ☠
You don't have to necessarily be friend with someone on FF to see his/her comments. If it's a friend of a friend you'll see a lot of likes/comments of that person "for free".
- Christoph Studer
Michael: you can tell you're not following. Their icons next to their comments are white.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: exactly
- Christoph Studer
i am very confused by this posting. what are we supposed to "see here?"
- @baratunde
@Robert - welcome the the Friendfeed clique mindset
- Steven Hodson
@baratunde: the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
I agree that people are trimming their follows possibly due to real time. That's their choice. On the other hand, content is still readily accessible via FoaF (assuming of course that it's still on).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Steven: yes, we are cliques here. More like nodes.
- Robert Scoble
My followers who don't follow Robert, see this conversation by default. Twitter doesn't do that.
- Bwana ☠
I find the real-time version of FF makes me want to stay and watch more. This conversation, for example, is very interesting and great to watch in real time.
- Jason Mayoff
Tina: unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list.
- Robert Scoble
Since beta I've had lots of new subs - have you just reached critical mass, Robert, whereby everyone on FF is only a FOAF away from you?
- WorldofHiglet
i'm thinking i'd use friendfeed more - if there was a killer mobile (ahem, iphone) app for it
- Cole Orton
Bwana: true, and that makes following people a lot less important. But it does give hyper connectors like me more power to get a lot of people involved in a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Well hyper connectors is something Twitter has in spades :)
- Bwana ☠
Robert, lame or not that's what people are doing (and really, you're going to call someone else's choice lame just because it's not what you would do?). Lists are an option, filters are an option, and so is unsubscribing. So is doing nothing.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
WorldofHiglet: I still am getting new subs, but this isn't about me. I'm watching normal people's follower behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: it's lame. It's also a free world, so I can call behavior lame. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This Sunday night conversation is brought to you by... Rackspace... And now, back to our program
- Bwana ☠
It's also interesting how a conversation like this goes hot and heavy for about two minutes and then just dies as it rolls off of everyone's pages and the numbers of comments gets too unweildy to navigate.
- Robert Scoble
Why follow a lot of people when FF search and filters are so powerful?
- Tom Landini
Cole: agree. Would love to see a killer iPhone app.
- Jason Mayoff
i also don't like that i have to scroll alllll the way up to click the comment link if/when i have all the comment fully expanded on a post that has, say, >10 comments.
- Cole Orton
Hey, I know: how 'bout we try to get over counting stuff?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: unfollowing people is "stupid"??
- Ken Kennedy
One word - twollo.com - that's why Twitter has higher follow rates
- Jesse Stay
Ken: humans love counting.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Lots of things humans love aren't good for them.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: yes. Just put the people you hate onto another list. That way you can watch and see if they get more value later.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about the rest of you, but my stats on Twitter vs my stats here don't make a damned bit of difference to me. Here, I barely follow any stats beyond how many people like my posts and who they are. On Twitter, there seems to be this huge drive for getting bigger, better numbers of followers, how many tweets someone has posted, etc. Guess what? It's bullshit.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Its a lot easier on Twitter to follow ppl ,its like the 1 click amazon patent :-)
- Johni Fisher
Tom: I think you are right there - if I was starting FF now I wouldn't necessarily follow the people I do now and use filters to find the stuff i want. Which would be awhole different experience.
- WorldofHiglet
Chris: bingo, but on the other hand, it's a game that people like to play.
- Robert Scoble
Let me rephrase: users will look to you for how they think they're supposed to use the service. Calling a use choice lame is your way of directing their use. As for who gets followers: what's more useful, a couple hundred mildly interested follows just because Scoble mentioned you, or 10-20 really interested follows that found you via a search, filter, or FoaF?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I enjoy FriendFeed a hell of a lot more than I do Twitter, simply because I don't have the drive to improve my stats. I can post whatever and expect real responses and discussions, not plain old resharing and quick-quip replies.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I totally agree with Chris.
- Rafael
Funny, but I want to tweet about this discussion, but I can't find a link to it. (New to FF)
- Jason Mayoff
Tina: +1.
- Ken Kennedy
Tina: well, following me is lame too. :-) But unfollowing really is lame. It sends a message to those people that they aren't important anymore. Everyone is important.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: Click the timestamp under the entry
- Bwana ☠
If people are more concerned about how many people they follow, how many are following them, and how many things they're pushing out, they're missing out on the opportunity to really affect things. They're simply playing for the score, not for the game.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris: Right. I'd rather have "low" stats and high interactivity rather than high numbers of people who I'm not particularly interested in.
- Michael McKean
Jason: the permalink is the time underneath the headline (timestamp). Or, this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Wow!! I got real-time back on threads!! Yay!
- Bwana ☠
Thanks... odd place to put it.
- Jason Mayoff
Jason - that's where Twitter puts it as well :)
- Bwana ☠
It's quality vs quantity. FF = quality. Twitter = quantity.
- Brian
Jason: it is odd, but it is always there and you'll never forget it. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
What I fail to understand every time one of these conversations is brought up is why they are brought up at all. Comparing apples to oranges never results in any definitive result.
- jcunwired
What Bwana said - FoaF Also, I think twitter's 15 mins of fame is almost up IMHO
- BEX
It's a LOT easier to get followers on Twitter, whereas on FF it's like pulling teeth. The whole point of social media is to be social, and if users can't socialize quickly "out of the box", then they'll move on.
- Ryan Garns
who feel's these real-time posts are hard to follow?
- Cole Orton
Brian: the thing is my friendfeed is moving a lot faster than my Twitter and I'm following a lot fewer people here.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is follows the KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid. For some, FriendFeed looks too complicated and they don't feel like spending that extra time to benefit from the true purpose of the network. Though I'm reassured that most people on here understand what FriendFeed has to offer over Twitter.
- Michael Forian
Wouldn't it be nice to have a keyboard shortcut for entering comments when threads get long and fast like this one?
- Tom Landini
jcunwired: I disagree. I learn something by doing comparisons to other services.
- Robert Scoble
Now, if it's NOT real-time--it feels lethargic.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
omg this conversation is moving so fckn fast! I just get a up to drink a coke and when I came back. OMG! Frind feed was exploded!
- Rafael
Cole: go here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... now scroll to the bottom of the page and just keep it there. VERY easy to follow.
- Robert Scoble
Cole: I like real-time. You catch what you catch. You miss what you miss.
- Jason Mayoff
Michael: FriendFeed doesn't look as complicated as it used to. Or at least the beta doesn't.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I think Friendfeed feels like a content vacuum, I have no confidence whatsoever that I can get what I put in to it -- back out.
- Andrew Leahey
Jason: I find that if I miss something cool my filters catch it later.
- Robert Scoble
and if you miss it, oh well... ooh, look a penny
- Bwana ☠
I don't feel that way with twitter.
- Andrew Leahey
one big diff is the showing of following/subcriptions and followers/subcribers. Twitter showed it on the mainpage while ff show it on your profile page. in a way, twitter succeed when everyone is trying to win in the number game. but i feel ff is where real conversation can be held between more than one stranger across the world. and it can be more than 140 chars.
- Gerald Neo
andrew: you really need to look into filters. And read my blog from the other day.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: do you mean being able to find your content within FF, or do you mean getting a return on the hours you're investing?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Andrew: Try following even 250 people. I pretty much ignore half the stuff that goes by on Twitter these days because I can't follow it all.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
twitter's brand and uniform design are untouchable right now - not about features; twitter can develop them
- Andy Fox
scoble - that is easier to track. thanks.
- Cole Orton
I can find content so much easier on FriendFeed, it's scary
- Bwana ☠
The purpose of participating in twitter and the purpose of participating in friendfeed produce entirely different results, that's what I'm saying. I stay on friendfeed because I enjoy the conversations that others share about an individual's comment, shared item, etc. I use twitter to make me aware of the comment or share. Very different experience.
- jcunwired
Twitter search is like a hive now
- Bwana ☠
Scoble: I just discovered filters, I'll check out the blog post for sure.
- Andrew Leahey
Andrew: http://scobleizer.com/2009... this shows how much better friendfeed is for finding valuable stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter Search is about the only good thing left with Twitter.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Thanks for the info sir.
- Andrew Leahey
It's not the quantity, it's the quality... That said, how many seriously deranged cyber-geeks are engaging in this conversation? FF is still too confusing for the average user.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
"FriendFeed Filters are the star of the beta" A brilliant guy wrote that.
- Bwana ☠
jcunwired: true, that's why I have a screen that is all about Tweetdeck.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF could have made the live pages like this could do well to have the newer comments on top instead of updating at the bottom
- Charles Rice
I can easily dive in and swim with a conversation in FF. Twitter now feels very random.
- kilbuda
Chris: Twitter search is fine, but if you have search but no content then you've got nothing
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana - that too. In a sense, I use friendfeed as a source of bookmarks (knowledge). Twitter would not give me that.
- jcunwired
Vermonter: I'm only slightly deranged.
- Michael McKean
Only thing that scares me about FriendFeed is history. That area seems iffy.
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter: really? Facebook is more complicated than Twitter OR friendfeed and it has 10x the users of Twitter. MySpace is more complicated than that, and has 7x the users of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: what do you mean by "history?
- Robert Scoble
We cant find on Twitter this kind of conversation as we do now live here
- Johni Fisher
Robert: Search history...how far back can I go?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: all the way.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: Twitter only goes back a few months.
- Robert Scoble
The quality of content is more important! I got more info from FF. The content from twitter in FF is just a little part!
- netvista
as I said, twitter is good for updates and curiosities, Friendfeed is good for conversations about interesting topics(or not). Frienfeed is the serious side of twitter
- Rafael
Robert: that wasn't always the case. Is this a recent change?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: I can't find my Tweets from the Chinese Earthquake over on Twitter, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
What I like about FF is that I can sit here and have/watch this conversation without being distracted by thousands of other things going by.
- Michael McKean
Bwana: you can search for it, but you can't page back more than 300 items unfortunately (here on friendfeed).
- Robert Scoble
I'm a relative FF newbie and this discussion has sold me. I'm stayin'.
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana: the content has always been there on FF, available by search. The pagination that far back has been restricted though
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Jason: welcome!
- Robert Scoble
Nice to have you join us, Jason =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yeah I have to say, this discussion has seriously changed my opinion on FF. Thanks Robert.
- Andrew Leahey
Jason - you've found the Holy Grail! :)
- jcunwired
@Robert... True.. Facebook is unwieldy, too. But mass usage has forced tolerance. Unwarranted tolerance perhaps. Hard to see how FF will gain traction unless users help make use of FF clearer.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Tina: echo! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Welcome to the club, Jason!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
The Holy Grail indeed
- Jason Mayoff
Robert: that's what I mean.
- Bwana ☠
And that means I can't archive all of my FriendFeed data if I wanted
- Bwana ☠
You can't have a filtered real-time feed yet correct? That's the functionality I'm waiting for!
- Keith Barrett
Bwana: true. I hope they fix that. It's important for Track.
- Robert Scoble
Hence the "iffy" description. I'm hoping they fix that later.
- Bwana ☠
Keith: right. They promise that as a feature to come. We call that "Track."
- Robert Scoble
I think they should rename the "comments" on here. I'm not sure I'd call these comments. This is like a topic-driven chat.
- Andrew Leahey
Keith: I'd like to see that as well.
- Michael McKean
Bwana: but at least the data is there. It is NOT there on Twitter. Horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How do you sort of...back up your tweets? FF?
- Andrew Leahey
andrew: yes. But it is searchable. And you can come back and add onto it forever.
- Robert Scoble
You mean there's no record of all that's gone on on Twitter?
- Jason Mayoff
Just used Safari search on this conversation to find who mentioned a killer iphone app making a difference for FF (Jason). Agreed.
- kilbuda
andrew: I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: it's both, depending on the topic at hand. If you play with the DM feature to a group of people, it's definitely like a chat.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Jason: try to find my Chinese earthquake tweets. I tried and I can't get to them.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: they might be in a database somewhere, but you can't search on anything older than about August of last year, if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook/Friendfeed are also very different. Our real life friends and our social networking friends are entirely different audiences. What FF brings is a different perspective - the opportunity to share with those who might not agree with us, who might teach us something that we wouldn't learn from our circle of RL friends. Invaluable, incalculable.
- jcunwired
I'm not even going to bother expanding all the comments. I'm just going to assume Scoble said something along the lines of "Easy access to cat pictures, babby pictures, my brother, FFundercats, Leather Donut"
- Mike Nayyar
Robert: where do you find the permalink to this thread?
- Tom Landini
At any rate, since the beta, Twitter has seen less of me.
- Bwana ☠
Tom: on the date under the topic that started this.
- Robert Scoble
I'll get this one. The date. CLick the date
- Jason Mayoff
And if the beta improves, it may get worse for Twitter in my world.
- Bwana ☠
That's what I'm talking about! Look how the conversation change the focus. Now we have another interesting things being discussed here... Thats awsome right?
- Rafael
Tom - click on the timestamp
- jcunwired
To get back on topic a little... it would be really cool if when you clicked a white chat bubble on the left if it turned to blue and you were following them... like a toggle button. Do you think that would lower the barrier too much? like people digging stories they havent read.
- Frankie Warren
Yes, I just went and searched http://search.twitter.com for any tweet last June that mentioned "earthquake." None appeared. FAIL.
- Robert Scoble
So just out of curiosity, what is the page within FF that you spend most of your time browsing/following? Filters? An individual post like this?
- Andrew Leahey
Frankie: I would LOVE that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, very curious about your theory that prompted this post.
- jcunwired
Thanks: the permalink page puts a comment box under all the comments so it's easy to enter stuff.
- Tom Landini
Here's the thing. I'm a fairly sophisticated user. But I don't have any idea how to follow this thread, or why I even got here. Or how to follow (I'm don't text. Web only.) I think that presents a challenge for FF adoption. I've been wrong before.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Frankie: If you hover over someone's name next to their comment you can subscribe from right there.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
andrew: me? I skip around my filters when my lists slow down (in real-time)
- Bwana ☠
I don't stay in one place very long
- Bwana ☠
unless it's a juicy thread like this one
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: I have five friendfeed screens open at most times. Home screen. Tech list. A window like this one. And a filter or two or something else I'm tracking.
- Robert Scoble
Is there a reason to add new comments to bottom, not the top, thus avoiding having to scroll?
- kilbuda
I'm a speed reader. I love these fast-paced conversations :)
- jcunwired
Hmm, interesting. I'm just trying to get a handle on how people who have found FF really integral, use it.
- Andrew Leahey
Tina: yes, but then it refreshes the page.
- Robert Scoble
Good deal.
- Andrew Leahey
Once Internet users have decided to play the microblogging game, they're ready to adopt one microblogging tool, and only one (forget the geeks). Then, if their intention is to notify friends about their actions and thoughts, they'll take Twitter. Because even CNN may follow them there ;) If their goal is to discuss and discover stuff, they'll take the plunge with FF. Unfortunately, 98% of those users want only to notify and be sure their notification won't get lost in a "content vaccum" (andrew's words).
- Jérôme Flipo
kilbuda: the comment box is static on the bottom if you navigate to the thread: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Bwana ☠
That's an area FriendFeed has to fix
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter: new friendfeed UI makes it very possible to follow. Visit here, scroll to the bottom, and watch! http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
It's not about friendfeed anymore (unless something radical happens) - facebook is the hulk (no pun intended) in the room
- Antonio Altamirano
Heh.. they really need to make the permalink more noticeable. :)
- Michael McKean
Facebook is boring to me...
- Bwana ☠
Funny someone mentioned searchability. I just discovered the limitations of that on Twitter this morning. When I can't look back past thrity days without having to learn how to use the API...and that really irritates me.
- George Hall (Australia)
You can use the friendfeed sidebar too... its very easy to follow!
- Rafael
Bwana: I wish they would make it so new comments appear at top.
- Robert Scoble
185 comments here are just fine - no way I can follow a conversation of 185 tweets.
- Bora Zivkovic
Perfect! Thanks, Bwana.
- kilbuda
Bora: I do. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Did you know FF copied Twitter's permalink format? ;)
- Jérôme Flipo
Bora: you've got to get in when it starts.
- Jason Mayoff
tina: thanks! haha i just tried it on you :)
- Frankie Warren
Antonio - I disagree. Mudane conversations and thoughts are all I get from FB, FF adds a new dimension to what the mind can absorb.
- jcunwired
I learn here. I rarely learn anything at Facebook.
- Kevin Gamble
YEP, new comments definantely need to feed in from the top for me, too.
- CLC Radio
Comments on top; agreed Robert.
- kilbuda
I use Friendfeed alerts, and I can tell when these conversations get too noisy, which is now!
- Francine Hardaway
Actually I find that th most useful thing about Twitter search is that the results include private and deleted tweets :)
- Keith Barrett
hehe Francine
- jcunwired
lol Keith
- Bwana ☠
don't get me started on that
- Bwana ☠
Anyway, who was asking about my theory?
- Robert Scoble
me
- jcunwired
Did you know that if you re-click the permalink from the permalink, you get a pretty simple window?
- Jérôme Flipo
Francine: get onto real time and give up on alerts. Alerts are old school. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I think the idea behind having comments appear at the bottom rather than the top is because somebody's under the (perhaps naive) impression people actually read everything other folks wrote before they comment themselves :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
agree
- atanas
jcunwired, what would you like to know? My theory is that people on Twitter follow a lot more. Mostly because it's a lot easier to follow, but also because everyone knows how many followers everyone else has (it's on their main UI).
- Robert Scoble
Ken - good point. Case study: Youtube
- Bwana ☠
Ken - New comments appear at the top and no one reads the history
- Bwana ☠
I would like to be able to comment on a comment. I'm into real time, but sometimes I like to follow FF out of the corner of my eye and not focus on this conversation. I multitask
- Francine Hardaway
here you can find a way to follow these conversations right in your firefox sidebar: http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Rafael
Alerts? Is that like a fax?
- Phil Maxwell
Ken: i click the comment button before i read the thread so its waiting for me at the bottom :)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - someone already brought that up. Twitter is a popularity contest.
- jcunwired
@Robert Thanks for the FF beta tip.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Robert; thanks. And I second the request to have an option to display comments at the top of a real-time display, however I think that for older, inactive postings I'd prefer to read the comments in order.
- Keith Barrett
Francine: I multitask too. I just run five screens. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I submit the follower game can ruin the quality of the network
- Bwana ☠
Agreed, Bwana.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The topic we talk about is not popular entry in "Best of Day", no real time statistics?
- netvista
+100 Bwana
- jcunwired
Oh, I like the pop-up window. I didn't realize that Friendfeed can do that.
- Robert Scoble
I really hope FF never threads/indents comment. An entry's a nice unit of conversation. If something needs it's own branch, just start another entry.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is just too much for the typical user. First you have to "get it". On Twitter there's not much to "get". You put some words in the box and hit send.
- Eric Florenzano
netvista: good point. That's a bug. We should start a spreadsheet for the friendfeed team of things that are bugs.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Pop-up windows?
- Rafael
Robert: How?
- Rafael
Well Robert a new thing in your theory
- Bwana ☠
I've gotten 3 new followers from this thread
- Bwana ☠
Rafael. Click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Eric: there are people who use FF exactly the same way, they type some words and update it, leave it at that
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
interesting
- Bwana ☠
Rafael, sorry that's wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if Twitter users get new followers from a conversation
- Bwana ☠
Robert - yeah i realized right now
- Rafael
Eric - that is very true. There is a learning curve to FriendFeed that does not give the instant satisfaction of Twitter.
- jcunwired
Rafael: from your feed click the timestamp of a post. On the resulting page, click the timestamp again, and you'll get the pop out window
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Rafael, click here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Then click on the timestamp again.
- Robert Scoble
Sweet! Thanks Robert!
- Phil G
Robert: Thank you so much!
- Rafael
Robert: echo =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
jcunwired: friendfeed is a Formula Race Car. It takes a while to learn to drive, but when you do it does a lot of stuff a Prius can't.
- Robert Scoble
like the popout window...
- kilbuda
Robert: Sweet find. Thanks for pointing that out.
- Brian
me too
- Rafael
I saw brett do that in you video robert and was curious how it worked :)
- Frankie Warren
... and no reverse gear ;)
- Phil G
Pop out window is cool.
- Tom Landini
oh and it leaves the comment open at the bottom! epic.
- Frankie Warren
Speaking of which, I gotta plug in, my battery is low :)
- jcunwired
Frankie: I missed a lot of stuff that Bret showed us because I was trying to keep the camera focused. Did you like the videos?
- Robert Scoble
now i can browse and keep lookin to the pop-up without losing any comment
- Rafael
Yeah love the popout window. Wanted to hug Ben when I saw him post it
- Bwana ☠
FF can do tricks!
- kilbuda
I'm still learning how to be a power user of friendfeed. I haven't memorized the keyboard commands yet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Just watched the vids now. Rly interesting stuff, thx for putting them up. Sometimes was hard to understand questions from the audience, though...
- Christoph Studer
Ben: Its better you run... everybody wants to hug you ;)
- Rafael
Any one got new follows from this conversation?
- netvista
Robert: i loved the video!! seriously its very difficult to figure out how to use friendfeed at first effectively. seeing best practices from power users helped a lot
- Frankie Warren
I have netvista
- Bwana ☠
I still prefer tabs over popup unless I have multiple monitors active
- jcunwired
A popout of a tracked real-time feed would be the best!
- Keith Barrett
I think its cause Bwana is an awesome name though ;)
- Frankie Warren
I bought a 24 inch monitor just to use Friendfeed on.
- Robert Scoble
heh Frankie
- Bwana ☠
FF should do something like Gmail chat.
- Christoph Studer
Keith - you are right... but you can have a Firefox sidebar you know?
- Rafael
Now the balance has shifted back to FF
- sofarsoShawn
Christoph: the realtime combined with the DM capablity makes it a lot like Gmail chat, actually.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Watch multiple conversations in pop up windows
- Christoph Studer
netvista3987 - How would you know?
- Phil Maxwell
hmm, there's an idea - having interesting realtime conversations like this in sidebar
- jcunwired
Christoph: yeah, it really rocks using the popups.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, jcunwired.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Christoph: current features are largely sufficient
- Jérôme Flipo
I want to dock good conversations on my blog.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, I've put that read through a text-to-speech app, makes it even more productive right now, This could make a little booklet from it. The new forum post experience.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Interesting search/filter, at least 100 comments and -friends:username. Interesting FF'rs you've missed.
- Andrew Leahey
Robert: I f you use Firefox, try to use this sidebar, easily bookmark you realtime page to bookmarks bar and in properties choose to open with the sidebar : http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Rafael
want a sidebar-like window? http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... (I'm in Chrome, can't do it)
- Jérôme Flipo
Maybe have the "pop outs" integrated into the main window instead of new browser windows. Would make it easier for me to track multiple discussions from one spot.
- Christoph Studer
Kinda like a big party... wouldn't it be cool to be able to break off into small groups, as new topics develop?
- kilbuda
is there no RSS for comments?
- Phil Maxwell
This format kinda makes the comment count they used to have meaningless now... theres a big difference between one well thought out comment and just chatting in the pop out.
- Frankie Warren
Phil Maxwell: because i subscribe someone here for this conversation! haha
- netvista
Frankie: Agree
- Christoph Studer
Phil: you can subscribe to someone's comments and there should be an rss for that feed
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Rafael I did, but I also like popouts, plus firefox doesn't run on my phone and I suspect I can just plug this URL into a browser.
- Keith Barrett
Frankie: I agree. I wish I could see how many items I have commented on, not how many comments I've seen.
- Robert Scoble
Doesn't look to be an RSS for a single comment but yes a personal feed Tina
- sofarsoShawn
what about comments for an individual post?:
- Phil Maxwell
I'm glad they added that. I love being to able to subscribe to someone's likes and not their comments and/or posts
- Bwana ☠
Frankie: Right. I wouldn't even call these "comments".
- Michael McKean
Phil: unfortunately, no
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bwana: agreed (again). Haven't delved in using it yet but I think it's an interesting option.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Keith: Uhm I understand you. maybe when Mozilla launch the mobile Firefox you will be able to do that!
- Rafael
How can I measure my self worth if no one follows me.
- Demian Vonder Kuhlen
from Nambu
Anyway, Twitter brings me interesting content, but FriendFeed is true brain candy. I'll never get this level of conversation or knowledge from twitter.
- jcunwired
Michael: the engagement of friendfeed has gone WAY up in new friendfeed due to the real time comments.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe "comment counts" should be more like "like counts". One comment per discussion and user.
- Christoph Studer
I like pronouncing the name Bwana out loud: it's fun: Bwwannna. Heeehehhee
- sofarsoShawn
Demian: I'll follow you.
- Robert Scoble
O_o
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, these are much less "comments" and more just sorta empty "yeah me too, lol" style stuff. Like, you know... tweets.
- Ken Sheppardson
Demian: life's hard sometimes :)
- Phil Maxwell
You know; it's too bad I can't just click a comment speak bubble image and have it automatically format it as a comment response by filling in the name)
- Keith Barrett
Wow.. I never noticed that you can subscribe to comments and likes!
- Michael McKean
So the pop-out window moves much faster without the load of the page...nice
- Wallace
I think you're looking at this wrong Robert. The big difference with FF is Friend of a Friend. I use *you* to bring me other people. I trust you to *filter* it for me. After a while I might add someone who continually pops up in my feed via your FOAF, but why subscribe right off the bat. The context between Twitter and FriendFeed is different. It's not about quantity and reaching follower numbers, it's about quality and interaction.
- AJ Kohn
AJ: good point, but that gives me a lot more power than I have over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry Bwana, it's just one of those things: I'm weird
- sofarsoShawn
FriendFeed is great for deep threaded conversation ... but Twitter generates so much more exposure.
- Brandon
can you imagine this conversation on Twitter... I mean really.
- Bwana ☠
AJ: I don't mind the power, though, cause I'm an egotistical bbaaahhhssstttaaarrrddd. Just ask my brother. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It's not necessarily a bad thing to have "hubs" with power, is it? You have them in real life, too.
- Christoph Studer
Exposure? or false Hype?
- sofarsoShawn
Anyone using the sidebar script for Firefox?
- Andrew Leahey
Christoph: true, I'm not sure it's a bad thing. It's a good thing as long as I behave. If I start being an asshole, then it's a bad thing.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana, I reach for the advil just thinking about it :)
- jcunwired
Scoble's a power hungry Green Hulkster
- sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: What's the difference? :)
- Michael McKean
Robert: i agree with that... with out an install base its really hard for comments to get noticed in the real time feed unless you have a bunch of people keeping your stuff at the top.
- Frankie Warren
The point is Twitter is a hype! Appear in all big corporations and tv programs... twitter has big popularity... friend feed is a shy guy at the moment
- Rafael
Christoph: power corrupts eventually, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: And people will start treating you as one, i.e. unsubscribe. :-)
- Christoph Studer
Christoph: you nailed the force that will keep me from becoming too much of an asshole. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Power corrupts only certain individuals. I haven't seen you exhibit those traits yet Robert :)
- jcunwired
Robert: That's way you say unsubscribing is "lame", haha.
- Christoph Studer
@Robert: Well, I've given you that power and everyone else I subscribe to. Should you fail to be a good filter, I'll drop you like a hot potato :) So who really has the power? That's why FF will win IMO because it creates a far better mechanism for authority and trust. But ONLY if you're selective with whom you subscribe.
- AJ Kohn
Christoph: yes, I have a bias there. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Oh! I just noticed that if you press "enter" once in the search box, you get the advanced search page. A kind of little feature you'll never find on Twitter ;)
- Jérôme Flipo
Robert: One of the biggest differences is that: Friendfeed doesnt have ads and bullshits.. Twitter its a treasure for ads.
- Rafael
Jerome - just press the search button, you get te same thing
- jcunwired
Rafael: friendfeed has decentralized moderation. That's a KILLER feature the rest of the world will discover in about 18 months.
- Robert Scoble
@ Mckean Hype vs. Exposure: Hype I'd say is exaggerated publicity hoopla if you will. Empty. Whereas exposure is public focus but what matters more so here is that Twitter can't function to the same quality as Friendfeed now can
- sofarsoShawn
Chris Charabaruk: Yeah, but did the beta get any major media attention? Nope. None what so ever. And that's sad. It seems like people are purposely ignoring everything "FriendFeed" and it isn't right. I think the world is big enough for two cool and active social networking sites (or more), yes?
- Michael Forian
Rafael: friendfeed will prove to be more resistant than other social networks to spam and assholes because of decentralized moderation. It's one reason why I love it so much.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired, even Google doesn't have this function
- Jérôme Flipo
people go where the identities/profiles/people/contacts are; right now, when it comes to non-permission blogging, thats Twitter. Its not about features. You can speculate as to why Twitter has the people, but thats just academic. They have the people and they win....features can come...it doesnt matter, does it?
- Andy Fox
Don't give him power. You wouldn't like Robert when he's omnipotent :)
- Keith Barrett
Michael: friendfeed is in Financial Times tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
decentralized moderation? Does that mean if someone offends me and I block them, their comments won't show up for me anywhere?
- Phil Maxwell
Robert: what do you mean by decentralized moderation?
- Frankie Warren
Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers
- Bwana ☠
I really want feature of FF is : What's hot on FF right now?
- netvista
Robert: How many FT readers want bacon with their tea? :D
- Jérôme Flipo
Phil: exactly. Frankie, decentralized moderation means I can delete you in my items and you can delete me in yours. As long as we keep adding value to each other's lives we'll not delete. But, let's say you were a spammer. Bye bye!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie - we (you) moderate, not an administrator.
- jcunwired
Ok, I definitely do dig the pop out window for an indivdual post/conversation.
- Ken Kennedy
Bwana: How does the ex-Googler's factor in?
- sofarsoShawn
Robert: We have to create a strong community in friend feed and hoping that we could separate the bullshit and ads from the interesting topics, in a way we could keep the good of friendfeed.
- Rafael
decentralized moderation = crowdblocking. It takes only a few comments for a spammer to get blocked by many and that then trips internal FF daemons.
- AJ Kohn
Robert: interesting
- Phil Maxwell
netvista: that's called a filter. I have a filter that shows all items written by anybody but that have at least one "like." That's what's hot right now.
- Robert Scoble
netvista3987: make you're own filter http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Jérôme Flipo
Rafael - we have, we do - the developers have. What we see Twitter becoming will never happen here because we have all the power.
- jcunwired
netvista3987: you can even exclude your friends (add -friends:netvista3987), exclude items you've already liked and commented (use the minus operator again).
- Jérôme Flipo
sofarsoshawn: friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google. HOw does that factor in? It's been down one hour in past year. Search is freaking fast. It has an ugly, but workable UI. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Being reminded so much of Gmail chat I'd like to see who's currently typing into the comments field. :-)
- Christoph Studer
Well, regardless of my hesitancy, this is the first engaging convo on FF I've engaged. And though I had seen the beta briefly, I hadn't taken the time to really understand it. And this has inspired me to flesh out my FF profile. FF anti-fail all around.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Currently listening to Berlin "No More Words" on Shoutcast right now...interesting.
- Christopher Knopick
jcunwired: May the force be with you!
- Rafael
Flipo: thanks. it's great. I already add this filter.
- netvista
Christoph Studer: like emoticons?
- Jérôme Flipo
Vermonter: wait until this is used by a conference for a back channel. Leo Laporte was using it on Gillmor Gang and TWiT this weekend and got 1000 comments each.
- Robert Scoble
Here in Brazil Twitter started to get lost by people who dont know what to do with a simple question. thanksfully friendfeed will not get popularity here in brazil
- Rafael
Pressing enter twice on a search box... clicking a feed then clicking the tim to get a popout...directly referencing "/friends" in a URL I do sense a need for some documentation on how to engage the cool features.
- Keith Barrett
Rafael: don't be so sure.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble I was referring to Bwana's earlier comment that it was more a hindrance then beneficial and was wondering how that could be so
- sofarsoShawn
Jerome: I was kind of kidding...but one could do this with small avatars of people typing. Or just a list of names.
- Christoph Studer
Am now watching FF real time in my sidebar. NoNo more alerts.
- Francine Hardaway
Leo's use of it is what makes me think this is going to work. They're onto something here.
- Jesse Stay
Keith: I'll do another video when I figure them all out.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang comments were the greatest. The level of sophistication skyrockets when the community is one of your choosing (more or less).
- jcunwired
Keith - keep in mind most of these new features are in beta.. I can forgive no documentation in beta
- Phil G
Francine: welcome to the future.
- Robert Scoble
Keith: Yes, better documentation would be nice! Although it's kinda fun to figure these things out.
- Michael McKean
Robert: It's only a question of friendfeed do not support other languages
- Rafael
I think FF is just too sophisticated for main street, people don't get it
- Alex
That's a compliment: we're sophisticated, wait till I post more lolcats
- sofarsoShawn
I never said that.
- Bwana ☠
Oh I'm not complaining at all! I'm trying to help..
- Keith Barrett
Alex - when main street gets it, there goes sophistication :)
- jcunwired
Rafael: friendfeed does support lots of languages. But I need filters. I want to see ONLY Farsi comments, for instance. I can't do that.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: At one time computers were too sophisticated for most people.
- Michael McKean
@Alex I didn't get it really until tonight. Not sure I do yet, but I'm getting there. Maybe others will too.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Alex: I disagree. The mainstreet is on Facebook, which is far more complex than either this or Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
jcunwired - good point!
- Alex
Robert: I understand you
- Rafael
Alex: if humans see utility in learning complexity, they will.
- Robert Scoble
People didn't get AOL. They didn't get blogs. They didn't get eCommerce.
- AJ Kohn
FF is a lot easier to jump into than FB, IMO.
- Michael McKean
They still don't
- Bwana ☠
:)
- Bwana ☠
My wife speaks Farsi and I'd love to be able to have her see only Farsi items here. I can't filter by language. Yet. They have that on their feature lists to build out.
- Robert Scoble
even my mother is om Facebook, I can't see her on FF really
- Alex
I don't keep close tabs on my follower levels, but I've noticed my Twitter followers have gone up, and my Friendfeed followers have gone down too.
- Ian May
more or less yes: "Sometimes I wondef if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers" - Bwana
- sofarsoShawn
I'm waiting for the service that will automatically translate anything typed into the viewers chosen language without the need to manually translate individual lines
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Alex: four years ago you would have said the same thing about Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was hoping for a language filter as well.
- Michael McKean
Robert: but you can see... Facebook here in brazil its almost like Orkut for Americans... few people use it. But Orkut here is something like OMG you dont have an orkut account? you are a jerk! Got it?
- Rafael
Robert: where'd she pick that up? Nuts!
- sofarsoShawn
Tony we have done that in our chat for our online experiences using Googles Translate APi
- Tony
Tony: Picasa has it on comments. Would be great to have the same system for FF.
- Christoph Studer
FF = Community - Twitter =
- bcultral
sofarsoshawn: the fact that friendfeed was started by four superstars from Google is a major reason why I use it.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Filter for certain foreign characters would get you pretty far, no?
- AJ Kohn
Shawn: you assume I believe they haven't taken off... and they have
- Bwana ☠
you're the only one who thought that.
- Bwana ☠
most of the people on facebook don't know how to use 1/4 of the features, but they understand they have a profile and people write messages to it and that's enough to get them started.
- Phil Maxwell
@tonysteward cool :)
- Tony, Paradox of FF
sofarsoshawn: I have NOT been disappointed in that. This service has ALWAYS been 1. Up. 2. Fast. Others? No.
- Robert Scoble
it detects the browser language and then when they chat it auto translates
- Tony
client side
- Tony
No, Bwana: if you read your statement you are the one who distinctly wondered
- sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: my wife was born in Tehran.
- Robert Scoble
sofarsoshawn: FF doesn't need users do develop the service (they have the money and the geniuses). So, in some way, they don't need the Google's buzz to make the killer app that Scoble and others would recommend because it rocks and not because of their authors.
- Jérôme Flipo
Sigh, go repeat my name or something :) I know what I said
- Bwana ☠
I am probably the only person in my 200+ list of friends that actually KNOWS how to set FB security features so that I can control what groups of friends (or the public) can see what items and apps.
- Keith Barrett
I know what you said too read your earlier post dude, I'll go say your name :)
- sofarsoShawn
I'll be right back. Heheh. Yes, friendfeed has turned into chat!
- Robert Scoble
I guess most of us only get what we think others will get too. FF beta makes the possibility of others getting it seem clearer than it did to me before.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Keith: Thats normal! the majority uses facebook just to watch other people lifes
- Rafael
The product lifecycle of gmail should be an indication of the long term approach I believe FF will take.
- AJ Kohn
Oh my... he just did a brb!
- Michael McKean
I wonder if FriendFeed would have taken off if the founders weren't ex-Googlers. <-- Read again. if the founders weren't ex-googlers, would FriendFeed have taken off... maybe if I reverse, you'll understand.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: does it really matter?
- Phil Maxwell
The amount of content that FriendFeed real-time commenting is going to generate is MASSIVE. Hope they have a good file system and DB setup!
- Keith Barrett
I don't like being misquoted
- Bwana ☠
Like I said
- sofarsoShawn
I want it to be clear
- Bwana ☠
Vermonter - did you just start with friendfeed? Aside from a few features, most notably realtime feed, its pretty much the same.
- jcunwired
Keith: And lightweight connection handling.
- Christoph Studer
Oh wait, no, I get it you used a double negative, making it a positive, so yes Bwana your're correct, but bad grammar
- sofarsoShawn
Chris, an even better question
- Bwana ☠
hehe Chris
- jcunwired
++sofarsoshawn
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
@jcunwired just the learning curve of a thus far somewhat disinterested FF user, I guess.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Chris: lol
- Jérôme Flipo
a double negative? LOL
- Bwana ☠
my give up.
- Bwana ☠
High five! me too
- sofarsoShawn
we could discuss about that for days, but only the future will tell
- Alex
Vermonter, search google for friendfeed filters. A few bloggers - bwana, Louis Gray, Scobleizer have some vvery good tips for controlling the noise so that you only see what you want to see. It helps a lot.
- jcunwired
AJ Kohn: I love comparing Hotmail/Twitter with Hotmail/Gmail. It's a matter of time before the best overpass the most popular.
- Jérôme Flipo
The conversation has strayed a bit, I think :)
- Michael McKean
Alex: For sure. we just need to work for a better future for friendfeed...keepin it healthy
- Rafael
My problem is that I don't know what I don't want to see :))
- jcunwired
Hehe, always a tough choice. Discerning is key.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
There's a room too for filters, as well a list here http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... as they are compiled
- sofarsoShawn
There's a filters group.
- Michael McKean
oops, make that a big B Bwana :)
- jcunwired
I heard on Leo's show yesterday a good quote, about why having a too strong community (in FF) may be an obstacle for its success (I remember the word "insular")
- Jérôme Flipo
Thanks for the conversation all. Enlightening. And my fellow Vermonter is free from pirates, too. I'll sleep well tonight.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Omg, now I can breathe a little, this conversation is slowing down
- Rafael
yeah, be careful of those double negatives in the blog post
- Bwana ☠
they'll getcha
- Bwana ☠
It's amazing, I wonder how long a thread we could go. You just say a word, it creates ripples and we define an area around a topic. Like a tree or something. That's something that is appreciable and important in that experiment we enjoy here.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
465 comments...
- Wallace
Jerome - I haven't heard this week's TWIT, but I say poppycock :) Its a social networking site, there are tons of communities. You choose what you want, and filter/dismiss the rest
- jcunwired
well done boys and girls...I'm going to bed! Excellent conversation! Good night to everyone! Good night Robert!
- Rafael
The 'strong community' is what makes it worth staying. There is no sense of community in twitter, just a bunch of people blindly following other people
- jcunwired
Robert: why subscribe to someone who only pipes twitter into friendfeed? and another thought: maybe the average twitterer mindlessly follows and the average friendfeeder is more interested in the quality of their subscriptions
- Chris Heath
This is epic: I have to take my leave as well. 'Night All!
- sofarsoShawn
the best conversation I have ever had on FF, thanks Robert! see you guys
- Alex
Hearing all your names and comments made it very different to me. I was making coffee, reaching and being able to make it through when it was around 100 comments one very demanding but so enriching real all-way discussion.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
jcunwired: sure, I love the community(ies). The problem is for FF newbies: they don't feel comfortable and prefer Twitter where discussions are less loud.
- Jérôme Flipo
\0_ sofarsoshawn
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Jerome - exactly. That is the one detriment to FF and why the masses have not shown up
- jcunwired
Hey Bwana, if you're still here, looking forward to your next appearance on TWiT. Always a great addition.
- Andrew Leahey
@jcunwired not so in Burlington, VT #btv is a growing and connected group of Twitter users. Can't vouch for other local communities.
- Neil Jensen (Vermonter)
Thanks andrew, always a fun event
- Bwana ☠
10 followers from this convo... that's a record
- Bwana ☠
Whoever it was who pointed out how many comments. I don't look at these things as comments. They're just parts of a very large discussion.
- Jason Mayoff
Bwana: Not what we're counting ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
jcunwired: I follow a lot of astronomy people on Twitter and we're all pretty well connected with each other. I imagine it's the same with other like-minded people.
- Michael McKean
Michael - have you explored the rooms here on Friendfeed?
- jcunwired
Jerome - Well, you can still just like lolcatz pictures and just follow the guy for that. I think there's more details here that makes it interesting. I use twitter when I don't have time to reach deep now and need a summary of past events (not a mobile user for that). Here I jump in, make investigations, keep the stuff I like for future reference, one thing I'm not too into with twitter.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Ken - Well Robert's got me zoomed in on it now... I never paid attention to where I get FF followers from
- Bwana ☠
Michael - consider bringing some of your friends over here
- jcunwired
But I can't remember the last time I had 10 in my inbox so fast
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, I havent looked at followers in months, now I'm curious too
- jcunwired
dammit :)
- jcunwired
Blame scoble
- Bwana ☠
Hey you know, where is the link to rooms in the beta ui?
- Andrew Leahey
hehe
- jcunwired
jcunwired:Yeah, and I see what you're saying. It's not as "tight" on Twitter.
- Michael McKean
What we really need are those little presidential debate real-time opinion poll lines so we can see in real time whether people agree or disagree with what we're saying.
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana - I haven't gotten a new FF follower in a dog's age, but I mostly blamed my own light usage.
- Phil G
Hehehe, when you reach the 'Ultimate Comment' connection, that's it, Bwana is the name. ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Michael - the cool thing about a group of people with specific interests is that you can aggregate content from multiple sources so that your community can absorb them - google reader, social bookmarking, youtube, flickr, blogs...
- jcunwired
Bwana: you wrrean interesting contributor to thisconvo and want hear what else you have to say.
- Jason Mayoff
Phil - that's true. I guess subscriptions increase with participation
- Bwana ☠
On Twitter it's more like a bunch of people who just happen to be following the same people.
- Michael McKean
hi, is there some collections of interesting filter setting i can use? i think FF should allow people sharing their filters.
- netvista
I think the thing with FriendFeed vs twitter is that on Twitter, the more people you follow, the more content you get. On FriendFeed, it's related to how active the people you follow are. You don't have to follow a lot of people with FoaF.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Did anyone even bring up ffholic.com? I guess I should scroll up.. brb
- Bwana ☠
intelligent participation - or FFundercats, whatever floats your boat :)
- jcunwired
this might take a while
- Bwana ☠
I want a timestamp of the last activity on FF profiles. I was wondering where Scoble could be right now (instead of participating to this discussion). Just beside the "About 15 posts per day", there could be a "2 min since the last like/comment/FF post". That could also encourage users' activity.
- Jérôme Flipo
jcunwired: Right, and you can discuss them in a more controlled manner.
- Michael McKean
Man. This is not easy to do on an iPod touch
- Jason Mayoff
nobody brought it up yet, Bwana.. chrome search worked well in this window :)
- Phil G
nope, no one brought up ffholic.com - which brings the follower/count game to FriendFeed
- Bwana ☠
andrew: click on Subscriptions, down at the bottom. They are called Groups now.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Jérôme: agreed
- Phil Maxwell
Firefox search says you're the only one
- jcunwired
Jerome: timestamps for comments too would be nice too
- Chris Heath
Ironic how Arrington is 3rd most popular user :)
- Bwana ☠
Chris, you can see timestamp by hovering over the quote symbol in left margin
- jcunwired
Chris: Hover over the bubble on the left.
- Michael McKean
Thanks Tony!
- Andrew Leahey
glad to help.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
So twhirl for friendfeed, totally useless, right?
- Andrew Leahey
the timestamps work except for the most recent comments of an active post...they all say 1 second, 0 seconds, etc
- Phil Maxwell
Excellent FF tips that aren't readily apparent are surfacing in this thread.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
thanks for the responses on the timestamp comments ppl
- Chris Heath
I haven't found a FriendFeed client that rivals the web browser experience yet.
- Bwana ☠
I was messing around with AlertThingy all this time, I think thats why I didn't grasp the attraction.
- Andrew Leahey
This is a totally unmanageable thread. Most of the information here is lost and unfathomable. If there every was an argument for some sort of comments management (threaded or otherwise) this is it.
- Brian Sullivan
me either bwana, the iphone webapp is pretty good, i heard the beta iphone webapp kills the battery life though
- Chris Heath
andrew - with friendfeed, even though the api is great the web interface evolves faster than most developers can keep up with.. several microblogging clients have already given up on the challenge.
- Phil G
why don't my ff posts copy to twitter anymore? i didn't change any settings
- BASEnet
Rob: what would you think of the ability to digg comment by clicking on their icon, so that you can sort the discussion by "most liked comment" and get all the best juice of this thread in just few seconds?
- Jérôme Flipo
Bwana: I don't really see the need for a client. The web interface works very well.
- Michael McKean
Phil: Good point, maybe when FF itself kind of stabilizes and settles somewhere, clients will start coming out that rival the experience?
- Andrew Leahey
afterdark, you may need to disable and reenable, they're still there
- jcunwired
Michael: Bwana was just replying to me asking if twhirl was worthwhile.
- Andrew Leahey
afterDARK, you're the second person i've heard say that today submit a bug http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Chris Heath
That's probably another reason why Twitter is so much more popular - smartphone clients
- jcunwired
I think the real value for 3rd parties are going to be things that work with the API in ways that the web interface doesn't already do. Like FFholic, for example.
- Phil G
What I'd like out of a "client" could probably be accomplished with some sort of wrapper that managed a frameset that included embedable views ala http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Ken Sheppardson
Following somebody on Twitter is very light, and usually fake. Following on FriendFeed is an investment.
- Louis Gray
Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Louis Gray *plays piano*
- Bwana ☠
jerome: likable comments would rock... then you could have the most liked comments in a thread... or within some constraint... even the most popular of the day
- Chris Heath
Thanks, i will submit a bug report
- BASEnet
Hi Louis!
- Jérôme Flipo
+100 Louis, well put
- jcunwired
@Scoble K, so Im lost how is this in Twitter's favor now?
- sofarsoShawn
Louis, kind of like what i was saying way above, friendfeeders are probably a bit more discerning in who they follow as well
- Chris Heath
ah, this is the first I've seen of FFholic
- Phil Maxwell
hehe Shawn, that's what I want to know - I want to hear Robert's theory
- jcunwired
If you can fill all your available inbound bandwidth by following 100 people, why would you follow 1000?
- Ken Sheppardson
So perhaps the Twitter follower count will retain the vanity, and FF will be more about what /you/ get out of it. Rather than Twitter, which is about all the who's getting something from you.
- Andrew Leahey
I think Scoble said it best, it's a game.
- Bwana ☠
@kshep, yeah once i'm into a discussion on friendfeed i like to use that embed view ... much cleaner imho
- Chris Heath
A game that ruins networks IMHO
- Bwana ☠
Ken - you never know what you don't know :)
- jcunwired
when you follow for sheer numbers I mean </clarification>
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, if your network is "everyone" is it really a network?
- Ken Sheppardson
totally agree @bwana (notice i'm sending to twitter as i type)
- Chris Heath
1.) Be Robert Scoble 2.) Start a thread on Twitter versus FriendFeed 3.) ??? 4.) PROFIT!!!
- Mike Nayyar
HAH!
- Bwana ☠
Oh my!
- Michael McKean
jcunwired: Well, following 100 people here means you see not just their stuff but the entries they engage on. That amplifies things at least 10x
- Ken Sheppardson
also, i'm not following you on twitter either... why get just your tweets? i want it all!!
- Chris Heath
hehe Mike, true. I do a happy dance if I get one comment for my posts :/
- jcunwired
I think its interesting to see the web getting pushed through these different filters. Like FF now, before it was digg for a little while.
- Andrew Leahey
Its like we're taking all new content added to the web and its sort of a value added proposition. Each service tacks something on as it passes through.
- Andrew Leahey
andrew, the web is still pushed thru digg, and digg is way bigger than friendfeed (currently) and bigger than twitter too
- Chris Heath
Digg bigger than twitter? Really?
- Andrew Leahey
digg has something like 30 million uniques per month... i'm not sure twitter has that... do they?
- Chris Heath
Chris: I recently heard 20 millions
- Jérôme Flipo
Well, what about Twitter client usage?
- Michael McKean
nobody knows how many users Twitter has
- jcunwired
I think Twitter takes Digg.
- Andrew Leahey
Front page digg counts have been declining, IMHO, I think the url shortening thing is going to take a big chunk out of them too.
- Andrew Leahey
andrew: how many digg users have the alexa toolbar, really?
- Chris Heath
isn't alexa only counting internet explorer users?
- Chris Heath
probably a comparable ratio to alexa toolbar users that twitter from twitter.com
- Andrew Leahey
i'm very skeptical of alexa numbers - other traffic counters too...
- Chris Heath
don't get me wrong, im not anti-digg, or knocking it. i just think twitter has more exposure now.
- Andrew Leahey
"unfollowing people in friendfeed is stupid. Just put the lame ones onto a list" - so you're ideal model is everyone is subscribed to everyone by default and then people are responsible for organizing lists?
- Todd Hoff
definitely, its flawed. i just think its flawed pretty equally for those two particular sites. i dont know, no offense intended.
- Andrew Leahey
todd: i think he's trying to say subscribe to lots of people since you can cordon them off into lists
- Chris Heath
Todd Hoff: lol, unfortunately, Robert has left the thread.
- Jérôme Flipo
He said "be right back". Did he get lost on the way to the bathroom?
- Michael McKean
andrew: no offense taken, i have no ties to digg (emotional or otherwise) - i'm just not sure about the numbers
- Chris Heath
Robert probably wanted to say that if you decided to sub someone, you had good reasons which justify to put them in list rather than unsub them once they become to loud.
- Jérôme Flipo
[OT] I love the ability to edit a comment. That's great for non-native English speakers who want to keep up with the conversation without making dozens of typos per comment.
- Jérôme Flipo
jerome, if it would update the comment in real-time after you edit it that would be wicked cool too!
- Chris Heath
I want the comment to go italic for few seconds to let me know it was edited, that always helps.
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, *some* indication of an edit in RT would be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris: sh*t, it doesn't?!
- Jérôme Flipo
Good idea.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I've decided to follow everyone who has commented on this thread, why not. :)
- Phil G
They could update the tooltip over the comment icon to display some info.
- Jérôme Flipo
jerome, i'm not sure, but have been told that you have to refresh to see edits
- Chris Heath
Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3... edit 4
- Ken Sheppardson
Phil, that could take some time!
- jcunwired
i refreshed: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1 - Ken Sheppardson"
- Chris Heath
Actually that would be a useful feature - follow everyone in a conversation that you find stimulating
- jcunwired
anybody see "...edit 1, edit 2" showing up on my last comment when viewing the RT feed?"
- Ken Sheppardson
refreshed again: "Well, there's an easy way to test that...edit 1...edit 2... edit 3 - Ken Sheppardson"
- Chris Heath
but you don't see them in RT?
- Ken Sheppardson
so i'd say pretty confidently that it's not updating in real-time : that seems pretty non-trivial to me
- Chris Heath
yep. me too, i.e. non-trivial
- Ken Sheppardson
well you can't always get everything you want... i just wish that they'd add some more stuff to the beta, i find myself going back to regular friendfeed to mess with subscriptions/rooms/settings and a couple other things too
- Chris Heath
yeah, I'm not getting the rooms thing... or the creating a feed for a room, that is no longer really a room.... but whatever :p
- Krikit Media
I'm *positive* they're going to be adding stuff in. There are things just just can't do right now without going back to pre-beta, and they're certainly not going to maintain both sites indefinitely. Tomorrow morning is the 1wk anniversary of beta. I wonder if that'll mean anything.
- Ken Sheppardson
They have to be very careful not to release too much features right now (if their goal is to go mainstream). Imagine if you had joined Facebook right now, with all its apps and buttons? Twitter is so simple, they've to upgrade slowly.
- Jérôme Flipo
[ot question to the chat]: i've been sending my FF comments to twitter... always have. but now in the beta i'm in conversations here much more (Gillmor Gang, TWiT shows etc) and i'm generating a lot of posts to twitter from my comments here. Is that probably a bad idea? would you turn them off? should i care? (since i'm still garnering twitter followers even quicker now that i'm posting to twitter more)
- Chris Heath
Scoble;The UI decides how the app is used. Conversations are interesting in FF and not twttr. Twitter added reply_ to ids some time back. What they are missing is a ui which looks like this. Optimized for a conversation under one topic.I would wager we will definitely see it some day. I suspect they are in no panic to add it and they might be thinking it is easier to gain momentum with the simpler feature set.
- Faizan
Ken: it'll mean it's been 7 days. I've confirmed that with a reliable source :)
- Phil Maxwell
And I just saw my first FF comment spam posted. FF is going to need some sort of mechanism to prevent that. Also the original poster of the feed item probably should have power to delete anyone's comments.
- Keith Barrett
They do
- Bwana ☠
Keith, you block them (not sure how in beta, but just remove beta. from the url and you can block them)
- Chris Heath
Interesting observation Robert. I've been observing the opposite with my FF vs Twitter accounts. The rate of new followers on Twitter has slowed for me (partially from spending more time here and elsewhere - partially from starting to just block numbers gamers that don't tweet) and the rate at which I'm finding new people following me here is (slowly) increasing.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris - personally I'm not nuts about the idea, but then I use Twitter and Friendfeed in two distinctly different ways. When I see a FF comment or like come over from FF to Twitter its often so out of context that its passed over
- jcunwired
jcunwired - yeah, it took a while! phew.
- Phil G
Earlier in the week I think on Gilmore Gang on TWiT, Paul from FF said they were going to make the beta the standard within a couple of weeks.
- BASEnet
The system could be: if you're block by X% of people whose entries you've commented, you're kicked out!
- Jérôme Flipo
There needs to be a comment link at the bottom or hotkey for these long threads. omg
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Click the timestamp.
- Michael McKean
Jérôme: or just hide their comments by default like a lot of sites do
- Phil Maxwell
Jerome - jerks need social interaction too. A better policy would be to have those people all force-follow each other :)
- jcunwired
jcunwired: one thing i'm thinking about doing is to stop sending comments to twitter, but at the same time start sending likes to twitter (which i'm not doing now) that way i'll only send one link per discussion - you know i'm actually going to do that after typing it ... i've convinced myself
- Chris Heath
Phil: that's what I said. I hide, you hide, others hide, then FF catches the spammer, close his account, and thus, prevent others to be spammed
- Jérôme Flipo
I wish I could choose WHICH likes to send to Twitter. Or maybe I'm missing something?
- Michael McKean
jcunwired: love your idea!
- Jérôme Flipo
I think the real problem for someone like Robert is that the real time has increased the noise on people's home feeds, and they haven't really started to use lists and filters yet. ANd I have to agree with Robert about not unfollowing people -put them on a list, you never know when they might add more value later on. This is why you follow astronomical numbers in the first place. To find the gems
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Michael, I don't think you can differentiate. Its all or nothing.
- jcunwired
Here's one for you, Robert...on subject of filters...if I wanted a filter containing JUST my flickr feeds, how would I set up the filter?
- George Hall (Australia)
Jérôme : that's how tiwtter handles spammers ...seems to work pretty well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: I caught a lot of heat ffrom my twitter followers for the comments going to twitter during a discussion like this. I turn them on only when I really want a single comment to go there so they get the link with outme having to "like"something and give them the wrong idea
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George Hall, i have a feeling that the feature you request will be forthcoming
- Chris Heath
Oh, I see. I thought most systems report the spammers for action, before hiding its posts to others, i.e you have to bear the flow of spam before the team in charge decides to take action.
- Jérôme Flipo
One ittty-bitty filter like that would make my beta experience complete...;-)
- George Hall (Australia)
guruvan, interesting i haven't heard word one from my twitter followers... i rarely do - most of my @replies come from ppl i've found via im@twitterspy.org
- Chris Heath
Michael: perhaps they could pop up a little check box below the Like asking if you would like to send it to Twitter? That would probably work.
- Phil Maxwell
I wish there was a way to choose each time I like or comment to send it outbound or not, or set the answer to that question as a default maybe a check box next to the comment or like links
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George Hall - http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Mitch
guruvan: why that's an excellent idea.
- Phil Maxwell
Chris: I did hear from several 2 of which accused me of "spamming" them with ff.im links - but it was always after a discussion that moved like this one is...where it was multiple comments pretty quickly....So I leave the Likes turned on by default, and the comments off.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
NOW my beta experience is complete...thank you Mitch. That can be adapted to the other services, I take it?
- George Hall (Australia)
guruvan, that's what i was affraid of and i've done exactly as you have
- Chris Heath
Yeah for sure. I think friendfeed is service:internal
- Mitch
Phil: LOL! Great Mind think alike 'eh ?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: That's why I'd like to be able to turn the outbound feed on and off right at the discussion. A lot of comments are really just that - comments...I'd like those posted to twitter to get more people involved in the goings on over here. But I don't think they need to see a link to every time I say something in a thread. (which could be yet another feature...not posting outbound more than once per thread per time period)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
guruvan, earlier today (and yesterday) i had the idea to turn it off while commenting on twit-conversations but decided not to (changed my mind now) - but the once per thread per time period is an interesting idea too
- Chris Heath
Mitch: Got everything set as a filter except any specific rss feed. How does one do that?
- George Hall (Australia)
Chirs: If it was easier I would turn it on and off all the time. I get a lot of traffic/RTs and follows on twitter form the FF likes and comments. It really only irritates with it's like 10 in a few minutes. Some twitter people feel "spammed" on the likes because they have to click 2 times to get to the story that I liked. I wouldn't mind seeing the "original link" check box next to the like link. -so that if there isn't (or isn't likely to be) discussion I want them to see, I can send them straight away.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
George: Check with Mark Traphagen (trappermark) re: RSS filter..he's been working on that and I don't recall where that stood.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And to add to that point: With the way that many, if not most, twitter users are following massive quantities, and yet still using the website, or a client and no groups, how COULD they see Robert's tweets? But they MUST see Robert's tweets, or Louis gray couldn't have said this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
curious as to why this friendfeed comparison to twitter discussion is (as the saying goes) beaten in like a dead horse -in so many variety of ways. is it really that fascinating in describing advantages of friend feed over twitter? (i'm agnostic in either service but curious as to the catalyst(s) in why this is a continuous thing.) there's mechanistic differences, but isn't the point of all this to make of it all what we will? make it our own?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I think people readily follow on Twitter because the tolerance for spam on Twitter is higher. It is after all a 140 char message. But on Friendfeed with all the metadata and functionality you really want items that are meaningful to you.
- Vishy
Holy long comment thread, batman! (aside: the existence of such comment threads is one of the advantages of FF) Okay, so I think FF will only succeed if it can encapsulate your entire Twitter existence within FF itself. In other words, on top of all the great things FF does, it needs to become a good Twitter client. This will take some serious pumping up of tools like imaginary friends...
- Karen James
Takes a while to catch up on 300+ comments =P @Netvista: you asked about sharing filters. There's is a room/group where people are doing just that http://beta.friendfeed.com/fffilte... When they share a filter, it's a link to a specific search result. When you're looking at the result, there's a link @ the top in the red bar to create a filter from it. @Mitch and George: to search only FF generated posts, service:friendfeed works.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
So did Scolble finaaaallly answer his comment? "So how does Twitter favor from this BIG difference?" Or was he just inciting more frenzy Scoble style? Looks to be not yet...he disappeared.
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn, it's 6 am in Scoble's time zone. Even he has to sleep sometime =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Both of them have users forcing people to click through which is a pain. End.
- Richard A.
Great Conversation, I missed the "live" version as it happened but was able to catch up quickly. Things I'm interested in, sidebar for FF live for browsers? Never mind found it here http://userstyles.org/styles...
- Mark Essel
I tried to read this thread but it was at 600+ comments. Does FF have a tl;dr auto-summarizer yet? No offense folks, but I don't have an hour on Monday morning to catch up here.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Timestamps would be nice too.
- Chris Poulson
Timestamps for what, Chris, the comments? Those are available: hover over the speech bubble to the left of a comment
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina beat me to it, but beyond the bubble, some sort of timestamps would be nice so you can just scan the list and tell who said what when. For example, I'd like to be able to see what folks said after I gave up keeping up with the discussion on this around 10pm or so last night.
- Ken Sheppardson
Exactly Ken... Maybe something more along the lines of how Twitter does it. "Chris Poulson 34s ago"
- Chris Poulson
I don't buy that FF generates less followers. The sample size is much smaller to pull from. For an apples to apples compares we need to look at percentages. I'll bet you, percentage wise, you have more followers on FF and Twitter.
- James Furlo
Why do we have to focus so much on the tools? We couldn't expect this behavior to go mainstream. They are nothing other than means to enhance human interactions and relationships. Twitter is about notification and Friendnfeed is better at conversation; but let's ask what's the value of social media to us human being. I'd like to just be able to follow what I think are the best aspects of the people I like, so that I can be good at one thing and leverage on them when it comes what I think they are gd at.
- Tim Lai
*bumps* the contradictions are just ubiquitous
- sofarsoShawn
Goodbye RSS. Welcome Real-Time Web! - http://staynalive.com/article...
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I read this article in feedly, so need RSS or not?
- netvista
netvista, do you really need Feedly though? What are you getting there that you aren't on FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
BTW, this was my first test of FriendFeed's PUB-SUP support. Not bad! Not completely immediate though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, actually i find your article by TweetDeck. I follow you. then i read this article in feedly, i subscribe you too. In FF, the content flow so quickly, i can't watch it all the time. Maybe l will lose some interesting thing because of real time updating.
- netvista
netvista, my recommendation is to take advantage of the filters on the right. You can add certain people to lists. My main rule for my "favorites" list is they have to be someone I would have subscribed to their blog under before. Yes, you miss some stuff, but the more interesting stuff always bubbles back up to the top. It's not for everyone though.
- Jesse Stay
One apparent problem I can see is that you still need people discovering content. By relying on other people to filter the web for you there's a chance that things will get missed. For example, in the old friendfeed there was an option to show only tweets with likes or comments. That is great to cut down on noise, but if everyone used this feature, there wouldn't be any tweets in anyone's stream! RSS is analogous in that if everyone was reading content based on a social lens/filter, nothing would get found.
- Frankie Warren
Frankie, when I say "filter", I mean more of a list. You should start with various lists, such as "news bloggers", "favorites", "everyone but scoble", etc. Even if there aren't likes, you still discover content. The majority of my finds come from my "favorites" list, and I continually add and remove interesting people from it all the time. You can then add filters on top of that to make it even easier to find stuff.
- Jesse Stay
But don't most of those get piped into friendfeed via RSS? I guess I misinterpreted you point. Is it that the old paradigm of sifting through an rss reader is dead? cause i can see where you're coming from there. However, there are some items that arent popular on friendfeed that i still need to hit my reader to find :)
- Frankie Warren
Frankie, perhaps I should have been more clear that the Reader is dead. However, even RSS isn't fully necessary any more. For instance, this entry on FriendFeed itself was sent to FriendFeed not via RSS, but rather PUB-SUP, a more real-time push protocol FriendFeed has come up with.
- Jesse Stay
jesse: haha. "the more interesting stuff always bubbles back up to the top". i think it's not really true. When some topic is ending, then they missed forever. just like that: "One big difference between Twitter and friendfeed" by Robert Scoble. I use filter comments:50, likes:10 finding it again.
- netvista
Ah ok... and i know that when i said "dead" that it was stronger language than you used in the post. Thanks for pointing out pub-sub im going to research that a little more.
- Frankie Warren
netvista, in the last 2-3 weeks I have yet to miss anything I regretted missing.
- Jesse Stay
Re comment tracking: just use backtype subscriptions -- that's why we created it http://www.backtype.com/subscri...
- Christopher Golda
I replaced Reader with Twitter almost a year ago. I check in on a few things ever once in a while, but otherwise I don't feel that I missed anything. And now I'm replacing Twitter with FriendFeed. The conversations on FriendFeed make it much more interesting.
- Matt Griffith
And thanks to this post I finally got around to creating imaginary friends for the few RSS feeds I still cared about.
- Matt Griffith
I really like the fact that the first line that appears under the title is "Hi - you seem to be new here. If you like what you see, please give back by subscribing to my RSS feed!" :-D
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm really happy with the increase in activity since releasing http://beta.friendfeed.com/ on Monday. The conversations have always been my favorite part of FriendFeed, and the new ui makes them even better.
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This sounds like such a "press-approved" statement Paul ;)
- Ana
Ana's comment was not "press-approved", however.
- Paul Buchheit
damn.
- MG Siegler
had the opposite initial impact than I imagined, perhaps the speed is what facilitates a lot more interaction to engage follow-up
- Lou Paglia
I agree, Paul. I've found myself engaging in conversations more since the Beta release.
- Alejandro
I was honestly skeptical. The first day of the beta was really crazy from my side as a mere user. It must have been a blur of coffee & Red Bull for the FF gang. But after 4 days I love it. I have probably interacted with FF more in the last week than in the last three months combined. Congratulations on one hell of a launch. I wish you all many sleep filled nights.
- Kevin D. White
Paul, there is option in old FF to import Twitter contacts & lots other options in 'Find & Invite', i dont see them in New FF. Have you removed them?
- Roshan Ramachandran
Roshan: we will be adding them to the beta.
- Benjamin Golub
Curious.. is this graph conversations per active user or total number of conversations?
- Bindu Reddy
FWIW, I have commented and liked more things in the last couple of days than before.. it was really distracting the 1st day but since than my feed has slowed down considerably
- Bindu Reddy
FF如此，我很欣慰~
- 阿石
虽然新版很多功能很不错，但是新版的版面看起来没旧版的舒服
- dokie
Hoping for more buzz so it keeps comin'! Great to see so many familiar names posting again
- Charlie Anzman
The new Friendfeed is pretty good. Congrats!
- fbrunel
The new FF is cool. Filters are my favorite!
- netvista
not actually, users just are testing this new interface before they are tired of it. keep watching. Would you like to release it again half of month later?
- Aether
WOW look at that graph!! That is some serious FF lovin' traffic - wooo hoooo!!!! Congrats! The beta is a hit!!! I love it, keep up the great work guys!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
I disagree... friendfeed has been so quiet lately i almost feel like.. http://beta.friendfeed.com/zee... just to get some attention!!
- Rob Sellen :o)
This app rules. And moves.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Maybe what we see are the discussions of new Beta Friendfeed? :)
- Alex Kapranoff
@kkapp Sure, this is just a buzz about FriendFeed Beta
- Roman Zolotarev
The key here is the "rising" slope of the *Replies* graph after the BETA launch. While the overall offset could be due to many reasons like old users logging back in to try the beta, launch hype, Scoble etc, the flat slope of the "likes" chart and the rising slope of the "replies" chart tells me we will continue to see increased *engagement* even when the excitement has worn off.
- vijay
ｃｏｏｌ
- carmenlu
Congratulations!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Is that the hockey stick Arrington was going on about in the Gillmor Gang discussion?
- Paul Jacobson
The Beta rocks and personally I noticed I am using FF a lot more since Monday
- Mathieu Ayel
superb implementation Paul can we please have stats for most LIKED content and people easy to find without having to leave the site?
- Thomas Power
Thomas, I'd say those stats are fine off site and on FFholic. We have Best of so that's fine for me.
- Kol Tregaskes
Initially I *hated* the redesign ... but it's grown on me quickly and I find myself being a little bit more *involved* than usual. ;)
- Brandon
I'm using FF more at the moment ... but not from beta. I'm using it more because Nambu of the iPhone supports it.
- Mr K
did you exclude all of the threads relating to the beta launch from your stats?
- Alex Gawley
@agawley good question :)
- Kemal Hadimli
I think a lot of the increase is actually about the new beta interface
- Waldemar Schott
As someone else suggested, can you redo the graph and remove the discussions about the beta for friendfeed
- LPH™ and his dog P™
good improvement.
- pastas9
Could this also be interpreted to mean the new interface makes us talk more to get the same point across, i.e. behave more like we're in a chat room, exchanging "hello's" and "bye's"? The giant Gillmor Gang thread on Monday was the first time on Friendfeed I felt like saying "bye" before "leaving" the room!
- Philipp Lenssen
not for me philipp, for someone w/ limited time to check in on ff i find i'm missing conversations more w/ the beta so not engaging as much - not ff's fault more an issue of my personal use case though...
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike, doesn't "best of day" still work the same? That's how I'm catching this conversation.
- Bruce Lewis
sure bruce that gives a good view of most popular or active conversations but the beauty of expanding lists is you can organize based on themes so the list proper give you recent and active and then when expanded you can drill down through individuals who may be less active - those are the conversations I feel I'm missing
- mike "glemak" dunn
FF needs some way to communicate 'comments' other than color, because the grey (?) color denoting second tier comments is too hard to read. Don't fight your colorblind users. The mere position of second-tier comments is enough to indicate that they are comments without blending them into the background by making the font color low-contrast with the white background. Put three American guys in a room and there is a 23% chance that one of them is going to not be able to read FF because of poor font color.
- A Mitchell
yes, definite improvements - keep up the GREAT work!!!
- Walter Yu
Paul: Do you have that same chart with a line for the number of entries created?
- Ken Sheppardson
I've noticed the increase in comments to recent posts, but I still get little or no response to comments I make to content that is even just a few days old. Are there email notifications when a thread becomes re-active or is it now all about bumping threads back to the top of the content owners stream?
- karl dotter
Sound off here if you are using friendfeed. Let's show Michael Arrington what's what and what nobody looks like.
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HAI!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
No I'm not.
- Mike Nayyar
Ding.
- adf
um... wait, lemme check.
- Kamilah Gill
Here, but I gotta go get some body work done...
- Helen Sventitsky
I think so...
- Juan Pablo González
here I be
- paisano
*bing*
- Glenn Slaven
I'm only here now because it broke Twitter
- Sally: baby flier
I refuse.
- ♥patricia♥
*lets off a sneaky one*
- Johnny Worthington
Present.
- WiseYoda (aka Patrick)
Cheers!
- Scott Jarkoff
Who me?
- Deepak Singh
not as actively of late.
- Alan Le
Ok, watching this thread real time is cool!
- Juan Pablo González
tl;dr (Please buy my book!)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
FF rules, twitter drools
- LPH™ and his dog P™
...
- Kevin Johnson
Here!
- Rebecca
Nope
- Michelle Martinez
I use it on and off. The new beta interface with live updates is amazing enough that I might use it nearly as much as Twitter.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
Yep.
- Rochelle
Who me?
- Micah Wittman
I only seem to use it when twitter is down. A better iPhone app might bring me around more often more "reader" like features (ie, let me add feeds and info that only I see like my google reader subscriptions and all of the tweets from my account on twitter)
- Scott Watermasysk
Were we to use a horn or just a loud cow bell?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
More cow bell.
- Alex Scoble
Definitely needs more cow bell LPH.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
Oy!
- Steve Lowe
sounding off
- Mattb4rd
Hi all. I'm pretty much always on FriendFeed =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
What's FriendFeed?
- Andrew Trinh
I am using it. Still on the regular UI though, as that's what's bookmarked in my browser
- Ian May
Same as Tina. FF is by far my favorite
- Mattb4rd
Present and accounted for.
- Rui Pereira
Friendfeed's the new brain feed.
- jcunwired
on both in tabs.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Me!
- Karoli
Saying "Hi!". It's 3:14 here in Paris, but there's no night for Friendfeed.
- Jérôme Flipo
Using FF.
- Ghennipher
Sound off. One, two.
- iluvgimp
Random Moment number 2: Awwww, my Yankees.
- Terence
Beep beep
- Steve J
using FriendFeed, but not as much as tweetdeck
- Ken Gibbs Jr
!
- lautaro
FF stand up! Right here. Would use more if there was a TweetDeck-like tool for it. (FriendDeck isn't it)
- Ms_Krista
59:65:73:1f:20:49:27:6d:20:75:73:69:6e:67:20:46:72:69:65:6e:64:46:65:65:64:21
- Jason Nelson
Always and Forever
- JSNFLMNG
FF works.
- WorldofHiglet
aloha
- BCK
I think the sound was muted. Lemme change that.
- Beau Liening
Hee
- Rodfather
Holla?
- Andrew
Weeee!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Hoooty Hoooo!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
W00t!
- Laura B.
Rasheen - Did you just see a cop? :)
- Andrew
Does this message construe usage of FriendFeed?
- rob friedman
yup
- Hutch Carpenter
Present and accounted for
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
Here !!!
- Eric Logan
Present!
- Larry Hawes
*bum dance*
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Keeps me coming back.
- Tom Landini
Blue leader, standing by.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Check.
- Warren Butler
Yep
- John Collis
!?!...
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Hells to the yeah.
- AJ Kohn
Wanted to smack Mike Arrington tonight.
- Molly, "sorry"
I'm a noone!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
wow it's empty in here!
- BEX
Somebody in the house. Love the redesign.
- Steve Isaacs
Techcrunch reported 637K unique users for the month. Michael doesn't read his own publication apparently.
- Paul W. Swansen
w00t! FF rocks!
- ~C4Chaos
Duh
- Louis Gray
Yo Yo Domino!
- Spirit 2.0
I am here.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
Testing...testing...is this mic working?
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Ciao baby :)
- enza (aka iVenus)
Reporting in from The Netherlands. P.S. Michael, you're an asshole! Oh no, I didn't really mean that. Love you Mike! ;)
- Meryn Stol
here and thoroughly enjoying the Arrington roast
- Daltonsbriefs
Arrington is a twat. That is all.
- nouhad
Oui.
- LogEx
using FF everyday.
- MikeAmundsen
maybe (Arrington's personality) is a persona---like Andrew 'Dice' Clay (remember that guy?)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Everybody is a somebody, unless they are a nobody?
- Joe Pierce
Sweet...keep it going y'all!
- Alex Scoble
count me in!
- Jay
O HAI. I IZ NOBUDDY
- Josh Haley
What's Friendfeed? Is it cool?
- Walt Ruppar
Sound off 1 2 3 4.
- Russellreno
Here
- Bluesun 2600
Present
- Herb Hernandez
One more. BTW, who's this Arrington fellow?
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
BUELLER? BUELLER? FRY? FRY?
- Josh Haley
What's friendfeed?
- Mistletoe Glen
Aaaaaaah!
- Jeff P. Henderson
I need to catch up, because I don't know what he did now. I didn't bother to read his embargo-breaking story.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
here, here.
- Thomas Hawk
better yet, go to his post on FF today and post your thoughts on why you like it more than twitter. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Thomas Hawk
If it's not on friendfeed, I'm not interested, Thomas. :)
- Alex Scoble
Best ignore those that think they know what is going on and preach about it.
- Santa CW™
Uhh oh, don't I act like that sometimes, CW? *goes and cries in a corner*
- Alex Scoble
Your a scoble.. I don't think you can help it. ;) But you back up your statements, allow others the chance to change your mind and not go off to a Ashram and sulk when people complain about you. ;)
- Santa CW™
People are complaining about me? *goes and cries in a corner*
- Alex Scoble
PEANUT SAUCE
- Larry Hudson
What be this friendfeed you speak of?
- ronin
Whats Friendfeed?
- johnpiercy
I just signed up and searched my FB friends for FF users. 1 out of 215+
- Joel Watson
You say that as if it's a bad thing, Joel.
- Alex Scoble
I thought only scoble fans use FF? :) or Andorid App Devlopers..
- Fred Grott
Tell that to the librarians who have no idea who Robert is and don't care.
- Alex Scoble
I use.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
I AM!!
- Chrimmus Tad
w00t!
- Adam Lasnik
You mean yesterday's news Arrington ??? Or today's embargo Arrington?
- David HC Soul
I just read Arrington's post and commented via FriendFeed (not to make any philosophical point, but because I'm on an older mobile phone right now using fftogo). While I had some quibbles, the fact remains that there are far fewer FriendFeed users than there are Facebook users. Then again, there are far fewer Twitter users than Facebook users, so simplicity isn't everything...
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
The word I heard him use was "nobody", not "fewer", "nobody"...Perhaps I'm wrong though...either way, I don't care. I find friendfeed to be eminently more entertaining and useful than Twitter or Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
That's what schema-less SQL said.
- Mitch
If Twitter closed tomorrow, my life would be the same, If FriendFeed closed I'd lose all of you...
- Jamie Ginsberg
huzzah!
- Nathan Chase
And far fewer Mahalo users than any of them *rimshot*
- Michael W. May
bbq
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
I would just give him this link to see what "nobody" looks like: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- April Russo (app103)
I'm a nobody.
- Jeremy Brooks
nothing to see here for nobody...move on people. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Here's one more nobody for the roll call.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I don't exist.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
There's a blank line above this comment. Strange
- nouhad
"Liked" FriendFeed...(have love hate relationship with twitter and its whale mascot!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Who is this Michael Arrogant, anyway?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
what's a twitter?
- Steve C
What is a Michael Arrington?
- Fred Grott
We are here, we are here, we are here.
- Larry Kless
Here too
- Carl Pruitt
*raises hand*
- Justin Korn
Present *raises hand*
- Drew
I am nobody and I love friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
What's a Friendfeed?
- KyleHase
are we going for a million comments?
- Robin Barooah
It's a bit like I'm a PC. Unfortunately not that cool. FF is actually pretty cool though.
- Joe Bland
the battle for the real time web has really just begun. magic happens. here.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Oh it's luke that now.
- Tsega Dinka
Oh, looks like I missed somethign good. Oh, well.
- Mona Nomura
Woot!
- Aaron Tinling
Hello, Switzerland friendfeeding on the beta.
- Richard A.
What a shame, there's nobody here.
- Admiral Anika
I love friendfeed.
- netvista
Go Friendfeed!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
me too netvista3987
- Majento
and me
- Richard Jones
I'm going with Scoble, and betting on this horse. This new UI is just a thing of beauty. This is how it should be. They're the ones who've found the Grail Castle. This is it right here. I'm just loving it.
- Web Nex
Here. But off to bed soon. Back later. G'nite, FF.
- Lisa L. Seifert
Love the new beta. Really nice job to Team FF!
- Marc Chung
Who is this Arrington fellow?
- Quasar
Wow, a whole ~120 people ... over 5 hours. I used to play on MUDs 10+ years ago with more simultaneous users. FF is 98% Scoble-hype noise, 2% RSS crawling.
- Dossy Shiobara
@Dossy- your naivete is showing!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
@bec rowe - fine, I'll be generous, suppose there's a whole ORDER OF MAGNITUDE more users, 10x or 1,200 ... this is a big deal? Most major IRC networks each have 60k+ concurrent users and that's tech that's 15+ years old now.
- Dossy Shiobara
???
- vijay
for such a "new and improved" UI, why do I have to scroll ALL the way back up to click the "comment" link? what, did none of the UX people think "gee, putting it at the bottom of the list of comments would be a good idea"?
- Dossy Shiobara
seriously, people, stop being sheep. FF is cute but it's a pet rock.
- Dossy Shiobara
uh, no Dossy.
- Josh Haley
Dossy - I'm not sure if that was a joke or sarcastic comment or not, but just in case it wasn't...I strongly disagree.
- Justin Korn
Well to be fair, I know my real life friends would never understand FF -- especially the filters. It's too much effort to set up.
- Mona Nomura
Mona - I agree with that statement, but still disagree with Dossy.
- Justin Korn
@Mona Ditto. But I don't come here for RL friends. I come here to connect with people like me.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Arrington is a stupid.
- Wo
Exactly -- I come here to escape from Facebook and when I want more conversation than Twitter :) Sheep we are not. ;)
- Mona Nomura
I have 3 tabs locked into the first three positions of my always-open Firefox window: Google Reader, Gmail and you guessed it... FriendFeed.
- Brooks Bishop
I am using FF because it's awesome.
- Aaron Hood
from BuddyFeed
Obviously using FF Beta right now
- Arnold Zafra
All the time! FF Beta at the moment.
- Anton
From out the Blu, I am.
- Benjamin
What's a Michael Arrington?
- Pete Delucchi
Nothing much, something Europe doesn't care for ;-)
- Richard A.
*beep*
- Lorenzo Strambi
from twhirl
yes yes yes
- Davide D'Incau
Sure, but as a casual user I don't see that much usefulness. Fun, yes.
- Johan Mellberg
from twhirl
I'm loving the new version. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Beta? Yes. Standard? Never used it. Barely got the hang of Twitter!
- CAJ, somewhere else
Bring - It - Onnnnnnnnn!
- Vicky
is arrogant arrington squirming yet???
- Rob Sellen :o)
yo yo
- Kelly W.
Here is to both platforms. Twitter for ease of use and Friendfeed for search and aggregation
- Karen L Thompson
from BuddyFeed
I'm on it!
- Tracy Mendham
Nope, I'm not using friendfeed. Sorry to disappoint.
- awd
(like Horshack) "ooooh ooooh ooooh"
- Bryan R. Adams
Absolutley! Great aggregator, but have to use Twirl or other app at work
- Jonathan Decker
from twhirl
Who the hell is Michael Arrington, and why should I give two tugs of a dead dog's cock what he thinks?
- Steven Perez
damn you steven perez... speak ya mind for a change!!! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Perez: Some meatbag with an overblown sense of self importance
- Mo Kargas
Arrington is a Web 1.0 dinosaur trying to make himself relevant still by being Jerry Springer without the entertainment value.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
love it
- Brian Frank
Just to note: I know damn well who Arrington is. He's that meatsack whose website couldn't hold its load for a few hours. But I'm serious about not caring what he thinks.
- Steven Perez
that's r scoble too mo... ooops I'll get bashed! :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am loving FF.
- Nation Hahn
what's FF nation? where you hear about that? arringtons blog by any chance?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm using it and loving it!
- Samuel Driessen
i'm using....friendfeed beta
- Alejandro
Conspiracy Theory: Alex just wants to have a post with more comments than Robert. Discuss :D
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
I'm in.
- Aravind Jose
Here ;)
- Nicholas James
hello
- Alfredo
ff ftw!
- minus-one
go, go ff!
- graywolf
Michael who?
- Anthony Citrano
Nobody goes to friendfeed anymore, it's too busy
- Christopher Galtenberg
that techcrunch guy is pure noise - ignore at all cost :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
O Hai! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I use FriendFeed all the time. Rarely if ever read TechCrunch anymore.
- Andy Roth
I use Friendfeed. Love it. Wish it was integrated into gwibber... but I think it will be soon. :)
- Amy H.
What's TechCrunch?
- Great Scott!
Jelly beans!
- Bwana ☠
Nobody here but us chickens.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
huh!? What?!
- Nurse Katie
Arrington knows I use FF - I too need "intervention" :)
- Susan Beebe
I'm not sure 219 people prove him wrong...
- Carter Rabasa
Arrington who ??
- Peter Dawson
Bump :)
- Stephan Miller
from Friend Deck
I'm a friendfeed - its offers better value for the investment
- Chris Rogers
from Nambu
Using ff more every day
- Gordon Corte
still going
- Josh Haley
yep
- Elena
new to friendfeed and liking it very much
- brainno722 (Peter)
bumpity bump....
- Rob Sellen :o)
um....... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Huh? What?!?
- Nurse Katie
I never use friendfeed and I'm never ever on it. I can't believe you'd accuse me of such a thing!
- Jim: Dead Like FF
hey
- Stanislas Jourdan
Something tells me he's not impressed yet.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
something tells me THIS proves how little he uses this place ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
That's OK, I get the sense that most people here couldn't care less. :) We use friendfeed because we like it, not because some A-Lister that doesn't even participate here thinks we should or shouldn't.
- Alex Scoble
I agree.... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
*comment deleted to keep up appearances that I'm a nice guy*
- Michael W. May
Loves me some FriendFeed
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Shouldn't this be on a TC post since all those comments will be sucked into the blog itself?
- coldbrew
agreed alex, if you watch your brother's video of the pre-beta walk through from last weekend, mike was there, engaged and asked good questions of bret and paul, but then he goes off and belittles ff & those using it - immature or trollish not sure which it is...
- mike "glemak" dunn
But Alex.. your bro is a supposed A-lister...
- Rob Sellen :o)
dunn: Arrington is providing feedback. I'm sure team-FF can handle it.
- coldbrew
yeah the feedback he provides is..."the worse way to use friendfeed" :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
My brother also participates here a lot, so when he says something is great or sucks here he has some authority...certainly a lot more authority on the subject than you know who.
- Alex Scoble
drive by - I'm in
- Rick Bucich
You'll notice TC's FF integration is one-way (i.e. FF>TC), not synch.
- coldbrew
FF is the FFuture
- Alan Cheslow
Who's Michael Arrington? ;-)
- Kenton
I'm soaking in it.
- Mark Dorgan
FriendFeed is the best social service; just too much for many people to handle...yet!
- Neal Jansons
I do like FF - but it can be a lot to handle.
- Bill Sodeman
yeah.....
- Rob Sellen :o)
It doesn't get much better. Still here after a year.
- David Cook
from fftogo
yeah...great eh :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
i am and its soo much better. Tell mike the tech rumors are better here, too.
- Roberto Bonini
my head hurts. || button is my friend
- Todd Randolph
Right on Alex! To enhance what I said yesterday, FriendFeed is the "coolest app" to consume information on the Internet and interact with smart people.
- Eric Berlin
I use FF!
- Damond Nollan
:o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
ding dong.
- Tobias W.
AOL!
- Alex Scrivener
from twhirl
Who the F is Michael Arrington?
- Mattb4rd
He's some dude who unwisely said that nobody uses friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
So much better than twitter!
- Bo Stern
Nah, I never use FriendFeed. FriendFeed uses me! Don't ask.
- Brad Butner
from twhirl
*rolls eyes* Outlandish statements are how Arrington moves the space. It doesn't matter how the space moves, as long as it moves, then Arrington can remora off it. He doesn't care who wins or how his little bombs affect anyone, just as long as it moves somewhere. He's like a weapons dealer who foments the extension of wars so he can sell the weapons to both sides.
- Matthew DeVries
It's Michael Arrington. His ego is the size of the Sun and is infinitely expanding like the universe. All I hear is "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah."
- Zach Flauaus
Love the new FF
- LeighaB
Go FF!
- atanas
Trying it again and liking it
- Todd Dewell
Ho ho ho Happy FF-estivus!!!!
- George The Writer
How about some comment pagination, I love scrolling and everything...
- Alex C. Williams
Hear, hear, Alex W. Something needs to happen with comments.
- Kamilah Gill
so.... arrinwho?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I luuurve friendfeed!
- Rob Sellen :o)
;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
:o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
ho
- Laura Norvig
Aloha! Been here for over a year now.
- Bill Sodeman
blurp
- Johannan Edelman
linky to another similar thread ... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Peter Dawson
My thread was first and my brother was just being a copycat. First!
- Alex Scoble
Put both threads in a room, and similpost in both. The power of the exponent!
- Matthew DeVries
yep, that Scoble is a copycat !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
I think the only way to settle this is with a good old fashioned slap fight. Or a drinking contest... Either way we need video of it.
- Joe Pierce
But I said "First!" That's the internet beat down right there.
- Alex Scoble
more comments than likes? how can that be... you commenter's who have yet to like...like.. and those who have yet comment...comment..and like ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm down with FreindFeed. My usage has skyrocketed since the beta launch.
- Tim
Discovery Engine Coming to Twitter Homepage. Wait, What Twitter Homepage? - http://mashable.com/2009...
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yeah, it's right. I never actually go to the twitter homepage. I always use twitter client or firefox extension to tweet.
- netvista
Using Power Twitter extention for Firefor, the search feature is already available. Some Greasemonkey script let you scroll down the list without click for paging. These are some examples to say that isn't so bad to access Twitter from client. I use at the same way the browser or external Air apps, depending on the moments.
- Roberto
The question, IMHO, is another: Twitter has 3 ways to design their business model. 1) adv on the right sidebar 2) adv in a tweet after some text tweets (such Magpie and such probabilly will happen with Vodafone collaboration) 3) sell the company to a big player interested. Isn't possible make the first choice if people access Twitter by an external client
- Roberto
I forget: a fourth way is an account pro, obviously :)
- Roberto
西游路上你所不知道的故事 [feedly] - http://kisshi.com/2009...
很和谐！
- netvista
TIME Names Mashable in “25 Best Blogs 2009″ #feedly - http://mashable.com/2009...
25 best blogs 2009
- netvista
WebNotes Makes Annotating the Web Easy - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Post by Michael Fruchter: http://www.friendfeed.com/fruchte...
- Louis Gray
I use Evernote for these tasks, but this looks promising.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
i think diigo is the best!
- netvista
Diigo is great! Really useful with the groups function.
- John Serra
Just registered for this. Looks like it might come in handy...
- Tyson Key
Using Diigo a lot lately, but I'll give it a try.
- Nick
James - how do you use it to teach your classes? (do you have a post about it, etc.) Was just looking at it and wondering how it could me in my teaching.
- James Hull
I second Diigo/Evernote
- rawwell
Happy Birthday!!! everyone wish my wife a happy birthday :-D
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Happy Birthday, Ken's wife!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Happy Bday Mrs. Ken wife
- Steve Frick
Happy yesterbirthday, Ken's wife!
- Isha (Marysia)
happy b'day (or belated), wife of Ken
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
She sends her thanks for your kindness!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Have a fantastic day, Ken's wife!
- Matt Harwood
Ken, I'm a day late, but Happy B-day to your wife!
- Mike Fruchter
Happy Birthday.Ken's wife!
- netvista
My 2008 Tech Predictions Look Bad As Year Nears a Close - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Mark Douglass, asiriusgeek, Hutch Carpenter and 24 other people liked this
reminds me that i have to re-cap mine and start making em for next year. time flies and all that.
- MG Siegler
MG, I think you will have a better success rate than I did. But I knew mine were on the edge.
- Louis Gray
Wow! With this track record, I'm surprised you shared the results. 2009 will be a better year. Or maybe lots of changes coming before 2008 ends.
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
@mcw, of course I shared the results. I always strive to be transparent and hope to spur discussion, even if it's about how dumb I am. :-)
- Louis Gray
refreshingly brillaint honesty - we still want the '09 predictions though
- Bob Sonin
Mmm I don't think you're the one who was dumb. Some companies blew opportunities. Now your video prediction ... That takes a post, not just the space of a comment to discuss.
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
You're in good company http://www.nytimes.com/2008...
- Dominic Jones
I've got to do my own as well. That's one thing I regret not finding time to do last year.
- Jesse Stay
i want to know your 2009 prediction result NOW!
- netvista
I heard that 2009 will be _the_ year of Linux on desktops ;)
- Jemm
@louisgray thanks for sharing. Takes guts to hang it out there and then take the heat if/when you are wrong.
- Ryan Petty
No worries @louisgray. I made some correct predictions back in 2005 about Google (although I predicted Chrome by mid 2007), but decided to go out on a high note rather than make new predictions :)
- Mike Reynolds
LOL Jemm!
- Alejandro
Of course, there was this post http://anzman.blogspot.com/2008... that YOU said I'd have a hard time repeating .... I never even tried ?!
- Charlie Anzman
Twitter/FriendFeed poll: What is the best universal Instant Messaging app? (Friend asks via e-mail, and I want your opinions...)
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Adium!
- Mona Nomura
I go with Pidgin
- Bob Maltais
Adium
- kartik vaithyanathan
Adium on Mac, Digsby on Windows
- Matthew Horton
If you want your friend to inadvertently load and receive all sorts of crap before installing, then Digsby. He or she can avoid this happening if they are careful to read each screen prior to install.
- Dominic Jones
from twhirl
Definitely Adium for mac, Windows I'm not so sure.
- Bryce Roney
I would suggest Pidgin or Trillian. Nimbuzz is perhaps an option too if you want the messenger on a smartphone as well. I don't bother with anything these days except GTalk and Skype, so I'm not up on any very recent developments.
- Ian May
Adium does it right for me.
- Steve Isaacs
I use Palringo on iPhone, I've downloaded Fring but haven't tried it much.
- Kevykev
I've started to take a liking to Digsby
- Bo Stern
I've tested many different ones on Windows recently including Trillian and Pidgin but have finally stuck to Digsby. I think it's the best by far.
- Mark Krynsky
Mundu IM for smart phones is worth a try http://messenger.mundu.com/
- Arvind
Definitely Digsby!
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Digsby FTW !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
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Adium
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Digsby on Windows, Adium on Mac. Digsby is small, fast, and stable - all the things that Pidgin is not.
- Jonathan Beckett
Worth pointing out that Digsby also integrates your email, and social networking accounts (e.g. facebook, twitter)
- Jonathan Beckett
Adium for OS X and Pidgin for Linux; irssi with bitlbee for the CLI person
- Uwe Schwarz
If you need a multi-platform-multi-mesenger use Pidgin, for windows-only Miranda IM (plugin-based, needs time for config) or digsby (simple)
- Dennis R.
FriendFeed for me :)
- Mitja MG
I dig Digsby too for multiple myspace, facebook, twitter, IM and mail accounts. Looks like + + + for Digsby - wish it worked on a Mac as well -
- Chris Loft
Miranda has malware built into it...
- Jonathan Beckett
Digspy, I think!
- netvista
Digsby is my vote
- Russ Jackson
I use Digsby, Love it!
- Spirit 2.0
from twhirl
one more for digsby, wish it did Friendfeed, I'd be on friendfeed more.
- Richard Lawler
Digsby may be good, but overkill for IM. Pidgin is lightweight and perfect for IM needs.
- Vince DeGeorge
Pidgin.
- Steven Perez
yeh, I use Pidgin too... it is light (CPU and memory resources) and stable.
- Stewart Rogers
I bounce between Adium on my Mac, Trillian on my PC, and Meebo when I feel like something different.
- Kenley Neufeld
pidgin, although try to use only meebo.com now *edit oh yeah and gmail chat too :)
- Mike Chelen
I was with Miranda IM for a long time (HotCoffee mod). Now I use Gmail Chat (yes! via browser) with ICQ Transport, and Pidgin.
- Anton
Miranda IM for Windows, Pidgin for Windows & Linux, Fring for mobile devices
- Alexandros Georgiadis
What malware is that in Miranda, Jonathan?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Digsby, clear winner IMHO.
- Kol Tregaskes
Pidgin is decent, but it's sorely lacking in some areas (voice & video anyone?).
- Tanath
Trillian. I think Astra is approaching public beta now....I've had it since Alpha. I prefer it to Digaby
- Jaemi Kehoe
[八卦江湖]英摄影师用蔬菜食品拍出惊艳艺术杰作(组图)(转载) - http://www.tianya.cn/publicf...
A photo made by vegetable!
- netvista
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Power.com: The Next Massive IM and Social Networking Aggregator? ( http://mashable.com/2008... )
netvista liked this
i am trying power.com now!
- netvista
Diigo email provider goes nuts, multiple spam touting Diigo for Mashable award.
yep! i receive 4 letters from Diigo. But i always use it, so i vote for it.
- netvista
Is Dilgo worth checking out?
- Nation Hahn
Hahn, i think you should check it out!
- netvista
PeopleBrowsr is a very early tech preview (alpha). Not working very well. They will launch next week. More here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
Antonio Altamirano, Marc van Waardenburg, Yung-Hui Lim and 17 other people liked this
Nice app with great potential!! Really, really like the design concept here...very solid utility
- Susan Beebe
I'm playing around with it now. Quite nice; has great potential.
- Brent Newhall
Yeah! it's not working very well! Waiting for better version!
- netvista
The streams are still separate. I'd like to see an option to interleave FF and Twtr and Identi.ca.
- Cliff Gerrish
Yes, that would be perfect. all in one window, tied together. but a database nightmare, I imagine.
- Karoli
Separate streams are a nightmare from which I'm trying to awake.
- Cliff Gerrish
Hello Everyone, it's great that you want this feature! It's coming up in the next weeks. Thanks for the amazing feedback.
- SHHHE
There's something very important I forgot to tell you. Don't cross the streams. It would be bad. Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Total protonic reversal.
- Ken Sheppardson
Actually, it looks like you can mix it up. There's a MIX button that allows you to choose which services you want to mix in. Still kinda sketchy, but it's a foot in the door.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff, you're ahead of us! You got it, that's exactly what I was talking about.
- SHHHE
Nice, so let's work in some de-duping-- oh and track. And then you'll be running along side FF. And that level of competition is a real good thing.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff, you're very kind. De-duping is in the radar, we are working on it.
- SHHHE
Cliff, you can track. Create a stack, Eg: Twitter/Everyone, search for a keyword in it and let the stream play.
- SHHHE
I don't really want to cross the streams.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
MiniMage, the mixed stream is just one of the options, you can use the separate streams, if you like them better.
- SHHHE
Excellent, I was hoping it would be optional! Thanks.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I've just started using it, and it's quite amazing. i think it's found most of my other accounts, I'm just having a little trouble with one. Somw of the twiitter feature are really interesting. What is meant by mixing the streams?
- Michael Fidler
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Michael, 'Mix' builds a stream combining posts from several social networks.
- SHHHE
Lots of bugs to work out, but I am definitely into the concept ... good stuff!
- Nadine Schaeffer
Thanks Nadine, we would be very thankful if you could report any bugs on our feedback forum http://groups.google.com/group...
- SHHHE
it crashed then I tryied the url http://www.peoplebrowsr.com/login (not linked) and was abe to login again reseting my password.
- marcel
from Alert Thingy
Marcel, the right link to login is www.peoplebrowsr.com
- SHHHE
A taxi business in Shanghai, China? - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Langley Zhu liked this
"Peter: I’ve been outside the US dozens of times and have visited 70% of the states inside the US. What is so mind mending about China? A whole lot. The fact that you only see the denial of human rights issue as the only thing to discover about China says a WHOLE LOT about you. Lame. Really lame."
- Robert Scoble
Robert: i read all articles you wrote in china. Thank you!. you are not a person judging china only by human rights.
- netvista
The 50-year-old virgin comment is funny, though, but rather than a drawback, I have to say that the fresh eyes and enthusiasm that Peter knocks Robert for is one of the things I rather like about Robert.
- Anthony Citrano
Gregory, your high opinion of modern China has been exciting me for some time now! If you continue praising it, I will end up taking a plane to China soon..!
- Hayk H.
@Robert You are right. If you want to know a WHOLE LOT about China,come on,don't sit down beside your computer,fly to China and experience it,you will love it!
- 阿石
Not blogging from China. Heheh. - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Tyson Key, Morton Fox, Mathew A. Koeneker and India Feeds liked this
"Ugur, nope, sorry, we’re back home now."
- Robert Scoble
I am surprised you know the "Great Wall Firewall". hehe. Wish having happy days in China!
- netvista
When are you not blogging? -)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
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