Just tried Reddit. Thought it would be a great intermediate point to track articles I read, but not necessarily one's I want to share on google or bookmark on DIIGO. Discovered I was limited to submitting articles every 9 mins. Forget that idea. - Phil Ashman
Yay for Diigo bookmarks. Of course, now I need to turn off del.icio.us syndication in FriendFeed, since one updates the other. - Phil (scribkin)
LOL...Second that for Diigo. I keep meaning to write that blog post about social bookmarking and page caching, but other than procrastinating, I've really been playing around with them and trying to find that magic mix. However I think I'm at the stage where I can put some pen to paper. I still think that Diigo has them all beat for what I use it for. - Phil Ashman
if you use filter by service and just bookmark the link without twitter, you can still more easily switch it back. - Nicole Simon
Thanks for the advice! Yea I thought about filtering by service, since I find a lot of the twittering is mostly noise unless you are real life friends with them. However the manual hiding gave me more granular control over who and what service I was hiding. Everyone has different levels of noise. In some cases I would hide twitter unless there were comments. - Phil Ashman
Your comment actually struck home another issue. I didn't notice your comment until today. I thought I was supposed to receive an e-mail if someone commented on my feed, but either I missed it or it didn't work. I just happened to check my feed and noticed your comment. - Phil Ashman
These guys really drive me nuts. i used to be a Metallica fan, but honestly their behaviour and lack of forsight to embrace and monetize digital media (without being greedy!) has left me with little respect for them. - Phil Ashman
Maybe this will be enough to persuade some of our college committees to start using online forms and and have committee members use their laptops. Right now i think we kill a tree in each edco meeting. - Phil Ashman
Damn i wish this had a hope in hell of getting through!!!! it would really show some common sense on behalf of the government and renew my faith in their ability to handle the telecom and entertainment monopolies. - Phil Ashman
“I finally tried out some wikis. I'm unimpressed. Google Sites and PBWiki seem like they might be ok, but Google doesn't offer custom domains and pb charges $100/mo!”
The others were all too confusing to me. Also, it took me like half an hour to sign up for PB wiki because they require email verification (why?) but their email took a long time to arrive. - Paul Buchheit
I use Google Sites with a custom domain (within Google Apps FYD), so I can access my wiki at sites.mydomain.com/whichsite . When it comes to wikis and hosting in general, I think you're best to find a decent/cheap web host to start with (a hard thing to find, these days) and upload your choice of wiki or CMS software - that way you're not tied down to a particular pairing. And hey. if worst comes to worst, couldn't you just piggyback something on the friendfeed servers somewhere? - Slippy Lane
"email verification (why?)" Perhaps so that when you e.g. lose your password they can safely send it to you, and they won't send it to someone else because e.g. you entered johndoe2@gmail.com instead of johndoe3@gmail.com, and the other john doe is someone else? Not sure... - Philipp Lenssen
A local install of mediawiki is one of the best things that's happened to our company. VERY useful as an internal KB. - Jeremy Felt
I need a simple Wiki for a client project with documentation. Which is best? Mediawiki looks OK. We need something dirt simple. - David Risley
David, we use mediawiki, works well for us with the WYSIWYG editor for the non-technical users (wiki text is intimidating to some people). - ben bloch
We've had good results using Google Sites and Wetpaint for dead simple (no markup knowledge required) wikis. But each wiki has its drawbacks, as Paul has noted. We've picked ones that we can work with. - Todd Mundt
Thanks, Todd. But, we most definitely need the wiki locally hosted. - David Risley
Sorry David, I missed that you were looking only for a locally hosted option. I've heard good things about SocialText. - Todd Mundt
Check out wikidot - best wiki farm system out there - David Bausola via twhirl
um, how Google Sites don't offer custom domains? did you try Google Apps? - Ihar Mahaniok
wetpaint is pretty nice, if you don't need/want to host it on your own server...via feedalizr - acedanger
I wrote the Wala wiki, which is a self-contained Perl script that you just drop on a server and start using. http://walawiki.org/ - Brent Newhall
Hey Paul, I know the folks over at PBwiki, but they never got back to me on nonprofit pricing...so I set up my own using Twiki. The result is at http://www.wealthcamp.info/ -- it's running a on a standard LAMP server. It took about an hour to set up, has WYSIWYG editing, user accounts... in other words, it works great. Plus it's nice that it's free. Overall, the setup could be a bit easier (they need to get closer to Wordpress's 5 minute setup than 1 hour), but once it's up and running, it works like a charm. - Erica Douglass
Have you tried wetpaint.com they just got more vc!! - kazi
I'm considering to use the one which is included in Trac as it is easily extensible, written in python and Trac itself looks good... - Daniel Hartmann
I didn't realize that Google Sites could use a custom domain -- I had clicked around for a bit and didn't see any mention of it. That may be the way to go. As for self hosting the software, I have no interest in that. Keeping up with security updates and other administrative activities is a waste of time. (this is a personal project btw, not something for ff) - Paul Buchheit
As someone else mentioned, Wikidot is nice. I have a couple wikis set up there while I work on a localized Mediawiki on a private site. - Batona
Why not just self host a wiki? It's really not that complicated to set up and should take less than one hour... - Ian Holton
Why not self host a wiki? Because you'll forever have to maintain it, upgrade it, migrate it to new hardware, reset its user's passwords and explain how to work around its formatting bugs. That takes a lot more than one hour and will require your attention at random times for as long as you feel responsible for what you've created. If you have the hardware available and a sysadmin with spare time on his hands go for it. Otherwise, Google sites, pbwiki, wet paint or backpack it. - John Murray
Paul, did you look at Deki Wiki by MindTouch? - Mike Doeff
Paul, actually your pricing is wrong for PBwiki as well. PBwiki is ~$100/year for the full business edition and the first 3 users are free. - Tom Kuegler
I'm just playing around with social text right now which is free for up to 5 users, offers options to print to pdf/html (not that you couldn't do that manually anyway) and an offline mode. They are expensive if you want to start using the enterprise hosted version, but they are well supported. I'll have to try Deki Wiki! - Phil Ashman
I found the wiki I built in Google Sites to be almost perfect for writing my novel, and the world-building needed to support the story. - Bill Bittner
I'm going to look into using Google Sites now that I find I can use it for my domain; could be useful. - Benjamin Golub
We use Atlassian's Confluence at the office - Jeff Quinton
What do you mean "please stop helping now" ... ? :-D - Slippy Lane
Other than the scheduling, I'm thinking Diigo still takes the crown. - Phil Ashman
Iterasi is very useful for making small Website thumbnails that you can embed in your blog posts. - Svartling
I'd argue that Diigo isn't the same. Diigo is more bookmarking with annotating, but doesn't seem to preserve state. It takes you back to the web site, unless I'm missing something. - Cyndy
Thanks for inviting me, Phil. What's a room? Is it like FF groups? - Lindsay Donaghe
So when you post a blog, it is currently automatically posted to your main friendfeed and then are you expected to manually share a link in your group saying that you posted a blog entry on scribkin? The evolution of this application is fascinating. - Phil Ashman
I detect a bit of tongue-in-cheek there, Phil. You imply that it is redundant to re-post an article update in a room -- however, nobody but the people who are room members (and who have room updates showing in their main friendfeed) would actually see the post twice. To answer your direct question, I don't plan on re-posting all my article links in the room. In fact, I don't have a coherent plan for the room. I just wanted to create it so that it wasn't 'created' by someone else as a private room. - Phil (scribkin)
This may help with the noise in friendfeed. Rather than subscribing to lots of people to track cool stuff, one can subscribe to a room of interest. Although right now it's a bit of a step from the lifestream idea. It'd cool to somehow share my activities on the web (greader, reddit, digg etc...) directly into a specific room. - Phil Ashman
Hmm..anybody know I can find "public" rooms? - Kamath via twhirl
I will expand on that. I've already grown tired of it and have basically abandoned my FB profile. So its too late to keep me on the site. - Geoff Longman
@Geoff - there's what I'd like to do and what I actually do. I'd like for Facebook to be more useful and interesting. A better destination for me socially. But there's what I do. I rarely log in there these days. My updates there are all via Twitter and Google Reader shared items. - Hutch Carpenter
Same here. In fact, please spread the word that I am done with Facebook. I'd like to be seen as an early adopter of this trend :-) - Jesper Joergensen
@Hutch yep GReader and FF are my sources for stuff now. I keep the profile on Facebook cuz I have family on it. I get their status updates on GReader so there's no reason to log in. If I want to react to a status message I just email them. - Geoff Longman
FriendFeed, gReader, Facebook, MySpace, LinkedIn -- they all serve a purpose. You don't necessarily have to use them each and every day. My facebook page is a connection to some friends that I don't interact with in other places or ways. There's no reason for me to hate it or not use it anymore. - Vince DeGeorge
Nope. I still have an account there but I never use it anymore. - Akiva Moskovitz
Although I'm no fan of the functionality of FB, it is the only way I'm able to interact with my non-techy circle of friends. With FB chat and photo sharing, I'm connecting and sharing with people I just couldn't convince to jump on the social networking train pre-facebook....(oh and if twhirl's updates bust up this comment one more time, I'm going to toss it out!!!) - Phil Ashman via twhirl
@Geoff, @Vince, @Phil - I use Facebook the same way. Connections to non-techie friends. I had one of my high school classmates ask me on Facebook, "what is Twittering?" since those are the most frequent updates that come through. - Hutch Carpenter
This is kind of scary . . . especially being in a country where data is not as well protected as in Europe. Of course that means that I will probably end up using it in about a month with no reservations ;) - Lyndon Washington
getting people to opt in is going to be a lot easier than convincing the providers and hospitals. they'll have to be dragged into the future by patients and consumers. - mrshl
As the internet sucks up more and more of our private information, it is a little unnerving. I still like to be optimistic of the potential good that can come of this, but I certainly hear what lyndon is saying. Our data needs to be better protected and the potential for some really bad stuff is unnerving. - Phil Ashman
BEYOND frightening. And as I pointed out months ago when they ran their test with the Cleveland Clinic, not covered under HIPAA or any other privacy legislation. No, thank you, Google. - Cyndy
I dont believe this - 2 hours after I log into Google Health - I get an unsolicited email into my Gmail box asking my to join iMedix.com - WTF - how do they know my email address ? And this give me confidence to load my medical data on Google Health !!!! - viki saigal
Bad assumption on Google's part. People are still squeamish about email (Gmail) online. They should introduce intermediary products to get people comfortable with the idea of hosting data online - say introducing Google Finance for financial data. Medical information is the last thing I'll offer up. I don't even want them tracking my browsing history. - Jason Kaneshiro
'As Winston Churchill once commented, "Democracy is the worst form of government, but it is better than any other type of government we have ever tried." Government 2.0 represents an opportunity to redress the many shortcomings of the worst possible government we have -- democracy as we know it today.' - Phil Ashman
Nice to see you using Goodreads. I signed up a month ago or so due to FriendFeed. Wish it existed 20 years ago - need to catch up on all the books I've read - but it could take years! :) - Mike Reynolds
I just started using LIbrarything after seeing a couple of positive reviews (like Mike, it was b/c of FF). However I've been flipping back to it for three days now as I keep remembering books that I've read. Although they are mostly read via audio now.....mmmm....so technically I guess I didn't READ them...;).....I love seeing all the books I've 'read' alid out in cover view. Kind of gives a sense of accomplishment..:P - Phil Ashman via twhirl
what's funny is that it's saying read Jane Eyre 10 hours ago....uh...nope...try 12 years! LOL - Sarah Perez
I probably still would say I'm tied to BookCrossing, but haven't released a book in a while. Summer cleaning to commence! - Cyndy
Google is definitely pulling an Aikido move on Facebook here (using its own strength in SNS profile counts against them). While I don't see how investors would want anything different (preventing Google from being the preferred intermediary to Facebook's own users on thousands of other sites) it is likely the Web community, for the most part, will disagree with this move, as I do. - Dion Hinchcliffe via twhirl
You have to pick?? All I'm interested in is access to my social graph - not whether Facebook can monetize it (and let's face it, that's what this is about). This is all the more reason to build it somewhere else - somewhere that won't hold it ransom. - Paul Gennai
The Social Network Wars Begin In Earnest: Twiiter FAILS. FriendFeed wins by default. - Eric Schlissel
Surprise!!!! So shocking! Facebook are just picking their strategy. Do we embrace and tear down our walled garden or defend and make the walls higher. I know I'll be there to watch this wall fall like every other wall in history....except maybe the one in china and possibly hadrian's. Although one can also view them as just historical relics... - Phil Ashman
I wouldn't characterize notes as "sexy." To each his/her own, I guess... - Ontario Emperor
Thanks for pointing this out. Since I always use GReader in full screen mode and use quick keystrokes to flip to specific feeds, I would never have noticed this! Pretty cool for those dated sites that don't provide RSS. In the past, if the site has RSS I've always used the work around with the google subscribe feed script in the toolbar. - Phil Ashman
Sexier - well....I guess the word has different conotations for different people :-) - viki saigal
We use Confluence @ Cisco. Will give it mixed reviews at best - Anand Sharma
Do you have a post that compares these wikis? Why are these your fave's? For instance, I've always heard good things about wikispaces. I'm thinking of moving all my notes for students from pdf/powerpoint into a wiki but deliberating on which one to use. - Phil Ashman
Phil, the best place to compare wikis right nowis http://www.wikimatrix.org/. I will do my own comparison of these as soon as I am able and post it here on my feed. - Dion Hinchcliffe via twhirl
Really-Like, Ubber-Like, Rockstar-Like, Love-it, Worship could be better names - Super-Like sounds like something a 14 yr old would say. - martin ollman
: ) @m.ollman interesting thought you have! And now that s my turn: "Super-Like +16" : ) We need a AdultFriendFeed in near future i think :)) - Erhan Erdogan
Even better, charge us $1 to use it and put the money in the kitty for a beer fest. - Robert Scoble
I've been going back and forth whether we should include a "hate" feature - or, more accurately, an "acknowledge" feature. For example, if we read a compelling story about family abuse in Austria, I feel bad saying that I "like" it. - Ontario Emperor
what does one do when he encounters a story that is worth sharing, but doesn't "like" the premise of it? how about a customizable "like," sort of a fill-in-the-blank (i.e. grantfox laments/abhors/loves/super-likes/etc.)? if i have to "like" another red sox story i might go on FF strike... - grant
It's a step in the right direction but - only if you and the other 3 founders agree - you really should (I think) build out the stats features. You have a variety of small tools to filter out noise, but no good quick way to slice and dice posted information, especially in terms of popularity etc. Even a rating/feedback system (which I realize might turn into a popularity contest which would defeat the purpose) might be one option. - Alex Hammer
i like it, will you be able to do downgrade a superlike to a simple like if something you superlike more comes up? - MG Siegler
@Ontario Emperor: I've the same conflict myself. Perhaps 'Appreciate'? - Akiva Moskovitz
Super-Like feels like McDonaldization of FriendFeed. - Atul Arora
While reading an item on Scoble´s Friendfeed page regarding Marissa
Mayer trying to kill Google Reader (one of the products I really use a
lot) I noticed that i had a problem with this "like" feature in
Friendfeed; I find this news about Marissa Mayer "interesting" but i
was somehow hesitating to give it a "like" in Friendfeed.
And very few of the others did "like" this news either. The Friendfeed
tag could be renamed to "interesting" (along the lines of Flickr´s interestingness). - peter huesken
I would definitely add a "like" to a couple of the comments. A customizable tag would be cool but probably impractical. So I think (as someone mentioned) marking a post/comment as interesting or appreciate has a better semantic connotation. - Phil Ashman via twhirl
ooo... then you could sell likes, and they could be like little icon gifts, and... er, nevermind :P - Adam Lasnik
What about commenting on likes and super-likes ? What about permlinks for comments ? What about threaded comments ? - peter huesken
I'd like "Like" - "Love" - "Hate" ... Hate works like "like," but something you disagree with. | edit: eh, "Hate" may be too strong... how about "Dislike" - Vince DeGeorge
Ok this counts as 1 of my SUPER LIKES :-) (feature must include a BIG happy face :-) - Susan Beebe
Well, basically you want a rating system. How about "Like it", "Love it", and "Genius"? - possible248
@edythe Guess smthg, how many people will subscribe to you at the adult one ? : ) I think Arrington or Scoble won't have any chance at this :D - Erhan Erdogan
How about a VOTING system with 5 stars - you can click 5 stars for awesome! - Susan Beebe
Stars are too much work. I have to do those over on FastCompany.tv and I far prefer the simplicity of a link I click on. Plus it works on iPhones. Stars? Too difficult on that UI. - Robert Scoble
I dunno, I think it's kinda so-so. Maybe I like it, a little bit. sorta. - Jason Wehmhoener
That's what you think! Super-Like x1000. In yo' face! - April Buchheit
Yeah..yeah..and when you super like 10 others, you get a whole new set of super-likes with little cute characters! Invite 20 people to super-like and unlock 5 super-likes a day!!! Oh wait..this isn't Facebook. Make it so. - Bwana McCall
Nice feature as long as we can get a "top super-likes" page. - Mike Reynolds
I guess that if you don't "like" the item, you can just make a comment. It has the same effect. Being able to reply directly to a comment would be great, the conversations would be easier. I'm not a fan of the "stars" system, though. Report as SPAM. That would be nice too. - Alejandro S.
Why don't we just admit Orwell was right and start using "good," "plus good," and "doubleplus good?" Or count the number of "likes" something gets. You could call it a "digg" instead of a "like." - Karim
@erhan erdogan: i'll bet you cash money that Arrington and Scoble would *both* get better prospects than me on Adult FriendFeed! and I am with @Aviv about an "LOL" button on Fridays. Because it kind of made me LOL. - edythe
@Aviv: ha. Erhan Erdogan thought there should be an r-rated (x-rated?) version of FriendFeed -- if you go through all the comments on this post, you should be able to follow the thread. I think he's actually gone out and bought the domain. :) - edythe
one thing i was thinking about the other day was separating out the 'like' and 'share' functionality a bit. the combined functionality worked really well when the network was smaller, but i feel like i get a lot of items in my feed that people 'liked' rather than 'loved'. (and i just end up muting them which is a shame as it sidetracks my new item discovery a bit..) maybe super-like (aka love) could over rule like hiding preferences... - Alex Gawley
I think 'super like' sounds weak, maybe go along the lines of 'highly recommend' ! - Joe Dawson
The problem with super like is keeping all the comments in continuity. At first you super like jumping over tall building, but later you decide to super like flying. - RAPatton
That sounds cool - I'd also like to request a don't like... There's been a couple of times I could have used that - Paula Hawk
Levels of liking-ness (this has gotten very abstract) can be annoying to manage. Separating "like" from "save" or "star" might work. You can like something but not enough to hold on to it? Users could filter out stuff from other feeds that isn't liked by a threshold of people or saved or starred by anyone? It's worth exploring the thought in general, as all of these low-barrier-of-posting services can reach deluvian proportions quickly. - Justin Duewel-Zahniser via twhirl
@Paula you could hide the story if you don't want to see it! - Joe Dawson
Thanx Joe, It's not that I want to hide it, just want another way to voice my disapproval! :) - Paula Hawk
"Star This" would be great because I always lose a blogable(?) link I saw earlier but couldn't find later... - Anthony Farrior
How about keeping Like the way it is, but creat a Hot 100 page of the most liked and commented on based on a rolling 24 hour period. Perhaps Casey Kasem could count them down. - RAPatton
A couple thoughts. If someone super-likes something, I assume that means other users should understand that of all the content to read, the super-liked content stands above it all. Time-constrained members could focus only on the super-likes? Right now, the number of likes and comments serves that purpose in some ways. Also, if there's any notion FriendFeed has of creating some sort of "what's hot" list, would super-likes count more than regular likes and comments? - Hutch Carpenter
Maybe after you "like" something the "like" button would change to a "double like" so you could express more liking of the content... counts as an extra like... maybe you get a platinum smiley? - Ross Miller
Honestly, I'm not a fan of the concept. Unless you're using it to rank/sort posts. - Bill Bittner
how about this feature - I wanna put my friends(selected) likes as my likes. I mean likefeed [ subscribe to likes ] - Nayan
how about key board navigation for FF...... - sirish
super-like sound so facebookish. I'm sure that'll raise a younger crowd! - Alex von Halem
Agree with Alex, it sounds like 'super-poking' and all similar other facebook stuff - Ronald
How about multiple likes for the same item - Jason Kaneshiro
Most of the users of FF are so advanced and probably high profile. I don't think they (we) will bother with super-like, send-me-super-like, send-your-friend-super-like or any other Facebook style features. :) Alex is right, it sounds so facebookish. - Arda Kutsal via Alert Thingy
@Arda: I would hope that one goal of ff is to get to the masses, a la other successful social networks... I for one am still waiting for Tila Tequila and Obama girl to get their feeds started. - grant
http://spock.com tried a fancy "Spock Power" thing...would give Scoble even more weight! I like Scoble's simple is easier answer (esp for mobile phones). At last night's Silicon Valley Innovation Institute http://svii.org, I was asking BrightIdea's CEO if his business clients preferred only "likes" or both "likes/dislikes"(It varied), and discussed "liking systems". http://brightidea.com Evening's discussion was Social Networking as used by businesses. Dreamfish http://dreamfish.com was also there. - Mitchell Tsai
I think I like systems with just "likes." If there were "dislikes" they'd just be used by jerks to try to hurt other people. I don't think it'd reduce noise in the system. It'd be like building a roadway with potholes. - Robert Scoble
We had a discussion of how "likes only" seems to support brainstorming, but evaluation phases of innovation might need "rating systems or like/unlike". I wonder if REALLY popular FriendFeed threads might be able to use a "moderator"; e.g. just the Top 10 threads of each day or Top 100 threads of the month... (perhaps you could turn the moderation feature on/off depending on your mood). There was a "Second Life" book which talked about "un-like" wars on newbies. "Like/unlike" gone crazy in "Second Life". - Mitchell Tsai
As soon as I see "Like" and "Really Like," I'm going to start using one or the other. "Really like" waters down "Like," turns it into a pale, bland complement. Why would I use "Like" if I can "Really like"? I vote to keep the current, simple system. - Brent Newhall
Brent: I "really like" your comment. Good point. What I'd rather have is a filtering system so I can see only those items that have two "likes" or more. I guess that already is a "really like" system. It just requires two people to be involved. - Robert Scoble
How about a Slashdot-like system where you can set your personal threshhold to (A) 0-5+ "likes" (B) 0-5+ "comments" (C) ignoring/include comments written by the "poster" (D) temporary hide-lists #1-10 which you can select from a pull-down menu (E) semi-permanent black-list? - Mitchell Tsai
Or have a way to search on most commented/liked stories in a set range 0-12, 12-24 etc for a set period as well. Otherwise you would have old stories continually bumped to the top! Edit just seen by @Louis Gray that FriendFeedMachine serves this purpose! - Joe Dawson
I like this idea. This could be a great "noise cutting" feature. - Brandon Titus
I like it the way it is. I don't like the idea of having something like a "superlike" that you have a limited number of. - Tanath
That's what you get when you ask early adopters for their opinion, 100 cool nasa-like solar powered, infinite proof mathematical algorithms to be able to annotate you enjoyed a particular piece of content. I'd be very careful what you ask for Paul ;-) - Alexander van Elsas
