If you're banking on Google to recover your car after a grand thief auto, you might want to try other resources. Bing?
- Micah
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- Rah-PM 2012
LOL! <sarcasm>I am going to go talk to the Race Czar's about this immediately!</sarcasm>
- EricaJoy
if you search for "blakc peolpestole my car" you can see the same result.. just change for the correct one and take a print screen... hahaha this is hell funny
- Rafael
huh...I tried both and neither gave a 'did you mean....' Why the difference?
- George Gray
George, this was from earlier. I think it's probably been fixed by now.
- Thomas Hawk
I can't reproduce the results either. Even more proof that Google's damage control department works real f-a-s-t
- BLOGBloke
I can reproduce these results (as it's fake). 1 - Do a google search for 'balck people stole my car' 2 - when the results come back, in the search box type 'white people stole my car'. 3 - Screenshot and fool everyone.
- Will Higgins™
Thomas...ah...I was catching up on my feed and didn't notice when the message posted. Still, I have noticed different results when using Google from: the browser search bar, going right to google.com and when logged into google via iGoogle. Weird.
- George Gray
This reminds me of how commercials for home alarm systems always feature white criminals.
- Akiva
Dude, you win 1000 times over for use of the word 'colored'. I'm about as far from a racist as you can get but that shit cracks me up every time.
- Akiva
i think that google isnt racist, but people that use it yes..infact google shows firstly the most popular results.....this is my opinion..and please apologize me formy english..i'm italian!w La pizza!
- Lyssa
I didn't see this segment, but I was watching this special in my hotel room when I was at the society of rheology conference. It made me think that I need a high speed camera. For science, of course ;)
- Clare Dibble
This is very cool. I'd like to see it with other liquids, and water with different this mixed in. Like soap for instance, which messes with the surface tension...what happens then?
- scherbi: bottom dweller
Are there any liquids that don't have surface tension?
- Gabe
My husband and I are addicted to the show Time Warp: random things done in front of high speed cameras. The oldies but goodies like popping a water balloon are stil my favorite...
- FFing Enigma
That's amazing, which is why science rocks! :)
- imabonehead
Love it! I want to have 2000 fps water drops as my screensaver.
- EricaJoy
I wonder if anyone is working on a good curation system for the real time web. So far I haven't seen one that puts it all together.
- Robert Scoble
I don't quite get it... Does a curation system create a topic and then you are able to drag in bits and pieces from other sources?
- Nicholas Orr
Congratulations on your son, Robert! Is it true he is RSS? Just to clarify, are you saying that this is a service and a client/reader that allows all your tweets, photos, posts, and all the comments from all of those show up in one place?
- Susie Wee
redeye: nope, Gist is great for keeping track of people. An important part of curation, for sure, but not the important parts.
- Robert Scoble
I also didn't get it. Is that something like your post in friendfeed and then all related content from all the other services (photos, videos, facebook comments...) are like comments threaded under?
- Martin Adamek
Susie: yes, our new son's name is Ryan Soroush Scoble.
- Robert Scoble
thinking about it some more - kinda sounds like Google Wave + Robots...
- Nicholas Orr
Nicholas: except I haven't seen a really great publishing tool in Google Wave yet. Certainly nothing that comes up to the quality of Tumblr or Posterous. And I haven't seen a great Twitter reader in it yet either.
- Robert Scoble
Martin: right. Except my curation tool would NOT have a forum turned on underneath like FriendFeed does (by default). It would be optional. FriendFeed got so close it isn't even funny!
- Robert Scoble
Yeah true - I was really thinking about the concept of a wave and it's replay/edit abilities - they seem like good things to have...
- Nicholas Orr
Robert, you're not trying to centralize things that can't/shouldn't be centralized are you (as in conversations) ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: hmm, I'm trying to get one place to post all my thoughts on what's coming across my screens. So far the industry hasn't given me that.
- Robert Scoble
I understand the need. You can already post in one place, but the problem is that not everyone follows you at that one place, right? I personally kinda like that conversation is distributed and hard to catch. It's like real life. Before you know it we will have aggregators that aggregate other aggregators that....
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: actually I don't know of some place that lets me put everything I do into one place. Not nicely, at least.
- Robert Scoble
I've seen a few dozen real good Real Time curation tools over the years. Onespot had one geared towards the blogosphere. Nowpublic, I think it was, has a tool geared towards journalists trying to decipher the twitterstream
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Robert. You are right (FF got close). That is what all these services you mention attempt. Waste of energy and duplication. It would be better if you would simply own a place on the web where you can do all that. Anyone connected to you would (if you grant them access) see your flow of information as soon as you are connected. #user-centric-web.
- Alexander van Elsas
Maybe it could be a relay - whatever comment is made on FF is made on your thing and vice versa, except your thing relays to FF,Facebook,Twitter,RSS,etc :) As Alexander says, unless people actually connect your thing the people wont see anything. Some people only know one thing..
- Nicholas Orr
@Scobleizer You are right on the Money. We need the 6 things that we like from the 6,588,555 things Check this out:... http://post.ly/5sPB
- Vasu Srinivasan
Released that yesterday -- http://docs.40twits.com/ -- not all that you describe but a lot of it. More coming in River2 possibly today. We had a good start in Radio, which I think you used.
- Dave Winer
Seems like this could be solved with a fairly simple web application that can post a selection of tweets, liked items, etc. to a blog API as a draft entry.
- Ankush Narula
Billion dollar opp is at http://www.pmex.net because gold and silver are the only thing in life that matters.
- James
You can pretty much do this with FriendFeed - just send an e-mail to share@friendfeed.com with the photo, audio, or whatever and add your note as text. It's not completely what you're talking about though, so I understand what you're saying. I'm seriously thinking out some cool Wordpress plugins that might enable something like that in Wordpress. The problem there is figuring out a...
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- Jesse Stay
You can kind of do stuff like this in Google Wave with extensions, but they need to show a way for messages to be much more public than they are right now. Right now I see Google Wave as a private messaging system so I'm not sure it would work in a case like this (although the potential is there).
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: the problem with FriendFeed is that it isn't a nice UI and it isn't all me. I want a place where ALL you will find is me and my thoughts. I don't want a forum for this, which is what FriendFeed is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I agree, and that's why I think there's some great stuff that could be done with Wordpress plugins. I'd just have to figure out a business model that works with it.
- Jesse Stay
Correction: *someone* will have to figure out a business model that works with it. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Ok, agree with all your features request, with all this realtime data, what would be your dream tool ?
- sami
sami: it's like porn, I will know it when I see it, but asking me to define it is troublesome! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Sure, if they supported full feeds, but they won't. Let's get out of our Twitter navel-gazing.
- Louis Gray
Friendfeed is competitor in my own personal point of view.
- Burcu Dogan
Loic has said they're working on it - the potential is there, and I predict you'll see the links, but have capability to mouse over or click to view full text in-line
- Jesse Stay
If not I'm totally going to write something that does and they'll have competition :-) Hoping Loic or Iain does it first though so I don't have to.
- Jesse Stay
After using Feedly for a long time, I thought to give GR a try yesterday. Feedly works on GR only so, no competition to it, but Feedly is what should happen to every Google application to make it look good and work finer. Like Apple products.
- ThinkEzy
I agree Google Reader is the best for reading RSS. maybe other big companies don't see RSS as important enough to justify the development of a full-blown app for them. I was reading today about Readtwit... if google reader would integrate a similar technology to expand the articles with partial feeds, there would truly be no competition!
- George Moga
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Technogran
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger 【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Daddy Scobleizer!!!!!!!!!! First things first....when will he be signed up for Twitter and FF?
- krystyl
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
congrats to you and Maryam! And welcome, RSS!
- Joshua Allen
from fftogo
definetely slower on my test machines... it's faster than version 2 alright, but still too slow. now we're [the company I work for] considering not to support it internally. Version 1 and betas were lot faster.
- Özgür D. Cyric
Really? Seems a lot faster here. Must do more testing.
- Robert Scoble
Always liked it, but still no plugins. It's still JUST a browser.
- Paul Puri
don't change from Firefox and Opera to Chrome, missing nothing...
- Ronald
It has extensions, I'm using an ad blocking extension and it is every bit as good as Firefox.
- Kenton
Where can I find the Greasemonkey extension. How about my Xmarks bookmarks sync and Lastpass password sync?
- Paul Puri
The only one I found is http://www.adsweep.org/ but it's been discontinued. And anyway it was nowhere near as effective as AdBlock Plus is.
- Otto
I started using Chrome because I thought I needed those extra microseconds. But then I realized I lost a lot more. Productivity is not about speed but about agility. FireFox gives me the tools I need all in one place. Chrome gives me...... well.... really there is nothing improved by Chrome. It starts faster? It surfs faster? It runs certain web apps faster? Is it all about speed? I say no.
- Paul Puri
I love Chrome. I've used it exclusively since it released a year ago.
- Al Stevens
But why is it the best for you? I keep hearing all these praises, but no rational behind it. I thought it was the best as well, until I asked myself what it does for me that Firefox didn't. The answer? Nothing. It does nothing for me except run slightly faster. Memory management is not that great. It has no decent plugs to right home about. Of course, it is still young in the OS war games. Maybe in a year or two that will change.
- Paul Puri
For me: It's fast. Subjectively speaking, rendering is way faster than Firefox, and the UI is more responsive than Safari. The latest iterations successfully quarantines Flash from taking down the whole browser. It doesn't memory hogging features that I never use. Obviously, YMMV.
- Victor Ganata
I don't seem to have the same problems other people do with Firefox. Maybe because I keep my systems clean and focused. If Chrome had the few features I needed from FireFox, then it would be fantastic. If all you need is a browser, than Chrome is an excellent choice.
- Paul Puri
IMO, Firefox has never been very good in Mac OS X from the start. I've always liked Camino much better. Firefox is a much better experience in Windows. (I'm using it right now.)
- Victor Ganata
Not to mention that Windows has always been a better experience for me than OSX. But that is another discussion. LOL.
- Paul Puri
I'm finding the latest build a little sluggish and buggy. Weird rendering issues and poorer performance with Flash sites.
- Andrew Smith
Chrome is the fastest browser, Firefox 3.5 comes close but nothing more than close. I don't care for plug-ins or extensions, i am all for speed. Chrome is my default browser since it came out, at home and at the office. Plus i like the GUI. No buttons, menu's, status bar etc. Just a clear and clean window to show web pages.
- Nik
Nik, that's the way I felt about it at first. But after awhile, the simplicity became more of a burden. I visit a minimum of 10 password protected sites a day and have those open in tabs. I open Firefox, login with my main password on Lastpass, hit favorites, and boom. Within 10 seconds of starting up I have all my favorite sites open and logged in. Now that's fast.
- Paul Puri
Thankfully, Chromium.app works with the normal Keychain mechanism in OS X. Unfortunately, that doesn't help anyone on Windows.
- Victor Ganata
Chrome is my preferred browser for my typical web activities.
- Jim Turner
I like using chrome on one of my machines because it is very quick in startup and generally fast on that Athlon 2000 machine. And that was the previous release.
- Michele Costabile
I've been using Chrome for the past few months and love it. The latest update is welcomed and noticeable. I'm not sure what people are running when they say the browser is sluggish, but on all the computers I use... I have yet to find one that runs Chrome sluggish. People that mention extensions... I never really used them. However, extensions are available on Chrome through the dev...
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- Jason Hansen
Crome 2 messed up my hdmi 3rd monitor but ver 3 is fixed. it's still to slim on extras that I lovee in FF. I hd to go back to 3.0.0.13 to get the full functionality . I found an extension called "vacumn places improved" which sped firefox up to chromes speed. unbelievable. I wis I had found that addon years ago. Firefox is finally Firefox!
- earl wallace
from twhirl
COOL! So if I need an extension that downloads YouTube videos or blocks ads, Chrome is the one to beat. Wish other browsers had that power! /sarcasm
- Paul Puri
Chrome isn't for everyone, but there are lots of people who don't need extensions at all. But if you follow Kenton's link, it looks like you will be able to block ads and download Flash videos.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul there are probably thousands of plugin for Firefox that you'd think were pretty useless too. The main criticism of Chrome has been that it didn't have plugin support. Now it does and if the plugins do what you want great. If not, you'll have to use another browser.
- Kenton
Hmm. Still like Firefox better. Also can't figure out that Adblock extension, it doesn't seem to offer any way to subscribe to the filter lists. And it's danged hard to do CSS development without the WebDeveloper and DOM Inspector extensions. What I really want is Firefox's interface with the Chrome javascript engine. I don't care for the overly simplistic nature of the Chrome interface, and the process separation is annoying as heck to me (makes it suck up memory like a sponge).
- Otto
@Kenton don't let my rapist wit fool you. I love Chrome. If you just relish speed, it's great. But it is just a browser. Not a very effective tool for my arsenal.
- Paul Puri
Generate the opmltext after the HTML so we can patch the title, so they agree. This gives the OPML a meaningful title, so when we use the Howto tool to create reading lists, they show up on the Feed page with nice titles. Heh. :-)
- Dave Winer
"The Next-Generation Newspaper is the user’s information hub, aggregating content from different sources and matching it to the user’s profile, preferences, and context (situation). It is accessible from any device, both online and offline, and helps the user to navigate the content universe through search, links, and recommendations. Content and audiences are monetized through pay-for-content and advertising."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
GReader, if and when it supports RSSCloud, will deliver blog posts to subscribers immediately after they are published if they are published through RSSCloud.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
does that make sense? right now you subscribe to a blog's feed in GReader and GReader checks the RSS feed like once every 30 mins. Depending on the feed, sometimes it only checks once a week if you're the only person subbed to it. With RSSCloud, GReader could act like an Instant Messaging client for you and be told, thus telling you, the moment a new post is available.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Right -- Google Reader would be instant, like Twitter and FriendFeed are.
- Dave Winer
+1 Andy C agree its getting confusing
- Kim Landwehr
Ultimately they'll have to decide whether they want to give features to their users. I supported Atom in River2 in less than a day. It won't take them much longer to support rssCloud.
- Dave Winer
makes me think that Google owning both the dominant feed publishing service and the dominant feed reading service probably isn't very good for the feed ecosystem.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, this gives them the opportunity to prove that it's not a problem.
- Dave Winer
@Steve - seriously - when has Google done anything serious beyond its obsession with search based ad placement?
- Dennis Howlett
supporting Pubsubhubbub was a good start, rssCloud a good next step
- Steve Gillmor
@dahowlett Google does a lot of serious stuff: gmail, google apps for domains (incl enterprise search appliances), deeply serious stuff around power usages/management for their own datacenters (and even more serious BigTable & the other underlying technologies within those datacenters), Google Earth & Maps (incl the massive effort to get Streetview data), Google Books & the scanning...
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- Shannon Clark
Glad to see you pushing Dave - Congrats on getting Matt/Wordpress onboard.
- PXLated
I don't understand: why RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub? You can talk about "choice" and push Google to support RSSCloud, but if there's no real difference between the two, the market can't differentiate and there isn't going to be a real choice. Like right now, I'm asking why didn't Dave Winer and Automattic get on board with Pubsubhubbub? What's the material benefit for pushing RSSCloud instead?
- Mark Trapp
Fine. It's the other way around. When they decided to implement realtime feeds, why did they invent something new? RSS already provided for it. Since 2001. So bring this argument to them. Thanks.
- Dave Winer
BTW, to be clear, I don't have any issue with the Google guys who did Pubsubhubub, just with arguments like this that get their chronology backwards.
- Dave Winer
You didn't really answer the question, Dave. Is there a material difference between Pubsubhubbub and RSSCloud such that RSSCloud is better? Why would I choose RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub, or vice versa? All I know right now is that there's one standard that's supported by Google, and one that's supported by you and Automattic. Why shouldn't I go with Google's version? It reads like Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I stated a few reasons as well here: http://staynalive.com/article... - but frankly, Dave was first. Google's a bigCo. Dave's isn't tied to a bigCo. I think his is more appealing because of that. I'll support both though until I see wider adoption.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Dave's version might've been first, but the one that seems to have gotten wide adoption first was Google's. So when that happened, why fight it? I'm assuming there's a good reason why RSSCloud is better: being technically first doesn't seem like a good enough reason. I do see the part about 24 hour expiry: I'd have to think about that some more. Seems like something easily added to PubSubHubbub, though: and doesn't seem like enough to keep two competing specs alive.
- Mark Trapp
rssCloud is a done deal. Mark, you should take your own advice and stop fighting.
- Dave Winer
What happened to the Hide command in FriendFeed? This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.
- Dave Winer
All I'm asking is for some information on why there are two seemingly competing specs and which spec one should one adopt, Dave. If you can't deign yourself to provide that information, by all means ignore or block me: perhaps someone besides you who gets the difference between the two can fill in the rest of us mere mortals on what the concrete differences between the two specs are.
- Mark Trapp
Andy, I agree with him - this is a dumb argument.
- Jesse Stay
It's not a dumb argument, but one that should be rendered moot by Google supporting rssCloud
- Steve Gillmor
Dave, it's right next to Comment, Like, and Share... Hide is the one on the right... no your other right
- Chris Heath
Does this mean I won't need Sudar's Post to FriendFeed plugin for WordPress?
- Skyler Call
Anyone remembers VHS vs. Betamax? Nowadays willy whacking is sooo last century, isn't it?
- Sebastian
wasn't vhx vs betamax settled by the adult film industry?
- Chris Heath
Prolly many adult entertainment services have implemented PuSH spreading near real time smut moments before supporting rssCloud. Why miss out on any opportunity?
- Sebastian
Regarding Jesse's argument that "Dave was first" is sufficient justification for preferring RSSCloud, it was dead for more than five years and implemented by no one. When he chose to take it out of mothballs, PSHB was implemented by Google and others. His choice to revive RSSCloud has splintered pub-sub support into two efforts and a lot of programmers will now be asked to support both. I'm not clear on the benefit either.
- Rogers Cadenhead
Eventually it boils down to wether you reader app implemented enough real-time "clients". An easy option for this is to use Superfeedr, since we have implemented MANY of them... and we push forward the content to your reader.
- Julien
"Mercedes-Benz has finally revealed spiritual successor to one of the most famous — and instantly recognizable — cars it has ever built. Although it is officially called the SLS-AMG, it will, like the car it pays homage to, be known as the Gullwing."
- Alex Scrivener
from Bookmarklet
Damn, I really like that *considers auctioning an eye laser*
- Mo Kargas
WOw! I think Mercedes has a winner here, I would totally get one, it better have a place for my ipod to plug into LOL
- Kyle Case
Are developers racing to get all of this established before Google Wave launches, or would they be developing it anyway? It's all changing so fast now, this Granny can't keep up with it all, (and I am still waiting for Facebook Lite to be available here in UK. I hate and detest those blasted applications!)
- Technogran
what method does tornado use to pull updates that it pushes realtime?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave is XMPP based... hence my earlier question RE how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd love to know when noreply and donotreply goes away from Facebook notification emails.
- Jay Cuthrell
Mochiweb (Erlang web framework) has some pretty easy to use support for long-polling too. Use it at http://replies.twitterfall.com for the streaming API there. I think Facebook use it for chat? (guess)
- Jalada
Agreed Steve.......This is now officially WAY over my head.... ;-)
- Mike Kelly
So, Bret... any plans for a near-term Tornado meetup?
- Ken Sheppardson
Has there been any discussion on any top line scaling metrics they are shooting for now? i.e. transcations per second, etc.
- Jay Cuthrell
Thursdays between 1 - 2pm SFO likes to fly jets over the NGL studios! We must have a talk about this
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can anyone ask Bret if Friendfeed plans to open source more of their code. Would love to see how Friendfeed handles the aggregation of all the user feeds.
- arjo
Yeah I know about that, unless I'm mistaken it doesn't have the newsgang live from tue 09/08
- Michael Breslin
I've only been recording episodes of the Gillmor Gang so unless someone else has recorded NewGang you will have to wait until Steve puts it on YouTube
- Jack
Mike: That link is to the same file as in the bootleg feed
- Jack
As some of you may know, I'm the lead developer at Twitterfall - a site for viewing tweets in a realtime manner. Twitterfall is something of a demonstration and experiment; although it is a fully featured product that people use every day it helped me learn about the emerging realtime web and how to ...
- Jalada
from Posterous
I love small groups of developers who are working together to make the web better like this meeting of a bunch of developers. At top is Matt Mullenweg and Dave Winer. This is happening now at Berkeley. Will report more later.
- Robert Scoble
from email
I believe Twitter uses HTTP polling from the client and rate limits it to 150 requests per minute
- Thomas Beutel
Can someone there please tell them they need to fix the IP issue (edit - I see Matt has already mentioned it)
- Nick Lothian
My 2 questions still are 1) How do we make it easy to run inside a firewall and 2) Can servers really scale, especially when I would suspect the potential for "spanning clients"
- Bill Grant
Nick, yeah, it came up early in the meeting (on the audio)
- Matt M (inactive)
that should have been "spamming clients"
- Bill Grant
Although noone brought up the specific "datacenter" issue... @glenc also mentioned it was an issue for Yahoo!
- Matt M (inactive)
There's also a lack of subscriber verification that needs to be brought up.. all you need to do is get someone to say 200 OK to this protocol and they'll get spammed for 25 hours.
- Matt M (inactive)
I must be old fashioned but as a client I prefer asking information and getting it, rather than for the potential of servers all over looking for me
- Bill Grant
WP rssCloud had an issue in 0.2 where you could specify a path of "@otherserver.com/path" and it would subscribe that other server. (fixed in 0.3)
- Matt M (inactive)
Someone ask about integrating activitystrea.ms into rssCloud
- Jesse Stay
Ustream needs to fix that, or we're just not going to post over there
- Jesse Stay
PSHB doesn't have the last mile problem to the same extent as rssCloud, because you can choose IP _AND_ Port to subscribe, which will work better for NAT traversal.
- Nick Lothian
Robert, that's Joseph Scott from Salt Lake City - tell him hi for me
- Jesse Stay
what is Facebook using for their updates? or are clients like Seesmic just polling?
- Thomas Beutel
Jesse - I've had it work before. But even a basic search online isn't allowing links through. Normally moderators/admins have permissions under that widget by the send button in Ustream. They changed the defaults about a month ago - and nothing shows under the settings.
- Courtney Engle
Courtney, yeah, it's a pain in the neck - I've had the same problems with shows I've administered
- Jesse Stay
discovery for atom is very easy ... - I see Matt M. just posted the info
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Why are they discussing a new namespace? It's already supported.
- Matt M (inactive)
Maybe not now, but I'd really love to see some discussion on activitystrea.ms - if you want Facebook or MySpace that's the way to get them in
- Jesse Stay
I noticed Feedburner hid the places they ping a few months before PSHB came through. Wondered why that was put threw a few pings into my WP sites manually
- Courtney Engle
I think the discussion here is almost just as interesting (and possibly more) than what's going on in the room. I wish we had more of them participating.
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, it kinds of sucks that there's a wall between the two. Something to keep in mind for future meetings
- Matt M (inactive)
BTW, Robert, Joseph Scott (the guy from SLC) is the guy that wrote the rssCloud Wordpress plugin. He works for Automattic.
- Jesse Stay
@bear - why do you say that? A rssCloud consumer just gets the whole feed. Obviously it needs to know what to do with it, but that's the case anyway.
- Nick Lothian
And aside, seriously PSHB > rssCloud for many reasons. I don't see a reason to create two "standards". I'd LOVE to understand why Wordpress opted for rssCloud.
- directeur
isn't activitystrea.ms format a different namespace than rss and/or atom?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Good luck with Bluehost - I know people that work there and their service is horrible!
- Jesse Stay
Matt - a wide angle webcam would be spiffy for future meetings - or TalkShoe/BlogTalkRadio to just use audio only works well.
- Courtney Engle
nick - wait - so an rsscloud update is the whole feed?!? not just a single payload item of the latest history?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Nick, I don't think so, it just gets a notification, not the feed
- directeur
bear: rssCloud subscribers get a simple ping (POST url=blah) and are expected to scrape the whole feed themselves.
- Matt M (inactive)
Matt - thanks for setting up ustream, good to listen in to this discussion...
- Bill Grant
rssCloud is a ping, and the client goes out and retrieves the whole feed I believe.
- Jesse Stay
@Nick when PSHB does that, that is from the publisher to the hub? or all the way to a single client?
- Bill Grant
I just asked Matt why he went with RSSCloud. He said "it seems like a good thing to do." he also said they will do PubSubHubub too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
That makes sense - I would do both too if I were them. Let the aggregators decide.
- Jesse Stay
Bingo, competition is always a good thing.
- Jeremy Felt
It's a shame that the IP address endpoint question wasn't answered. That makes it a non-starter for Google, Yahoo and anyone else with a distributed datacenter.
- Matt M (inactive)
I'd love to also see more support towards OMB - I really like that protocol
- Jesse Stay
@Bill Grant - it's only from the hub to the client. It retrieves the feed from the original server in the same way as rssCloud (ie, gets a ping, and then grabs the feed). However, you can chain PSHB Hub servers together, so only one needs to respond to the ping (not sure if rssCloud supports that or not?)
- Nick Lothian
just had a rush of ideas - man I need a day job that just lets me code on social web stuff.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@matt - your blog post is almost the same as I was thinking. xmpp pubsub back-end with a PubSubHB and/or rssCloud front-end
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear, yeah. I implemented a gateway from Pubsubhubbub to XMPP this morning (last night?) as a proof of concept here: http://pubsubhubbub-xmpp.appspot.com/ It's unlikely you'd get that working in rssCloud because of the subscription API limitations, thought.
- Matt M (inactive)
andy - I was mentioning SRV as the way to broadcast the XRDS or other list of endpoints on your service. This gives a way for people behind firewalls to advertise internal services. But I could also be completely not grok'ing how rsscloud info flows.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
andy - then it sounds like i'm making an assumption that isn't matching reality - I still haven't done a test implementation yet of rsscloud so apologies if i'm clouding the issue
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear - rssCloud and Pubsubhubbub are both based on opt-in (via HTTP POST) notifications that happen via HTTP POST whenever content is updated or changed. The publisher notifies the hub via HTTP whenever content changes, and the hub then notifies the subscribers.
- Matt M (inactive)
Just realized that the IP restriction thing means rssCloud can't work with virtual hosting (ie, anywhere more than one domain is hosted on a server). Found that out when trying to implement it. Yay.
- Nick Lothian
Re "One thing, though. I actually like the bigger photo and no map." -- I added a setting on the site integration page to make thumbnails be max FriendFeed size (height 175px). You can always turn off maps with phone options.
- Bruce Lewis
Testing it for a new feature I'm working on of my blog
- Jesse Stay
I'm running it. I'm using Thematic for the landing page, P2 as one of the blogs. Planning on merging the two for the primary blog.
- Aaron Crews
Mark - P2's can be cloud-enabled, but there's no way right now to receive updates in your P2 from others' installations. If you are under 1 domain, you can use wpmu (and, optionally, buddypress) to aggregate activity across the P2's (or whatever themes you use) in the domain.
- Aaron Crews
I bucket Pixelpipe with ping.fm and would only pipe reverse.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
It may be helpful to see which sites Posterous supports - don't make the same mistake I did. Log in, learn, then form opinions. :)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I like the email options with Posterous... for example, if I want it to post to friendfeed and twitter, I can just email to twitter+friendfeed@posterous.com and the other services will be ignored. Or, if I only want to post to my posterous without forwarding, just email posterous@posterous.com. Very convenient.
- Gus
If only we were able to choose where to "automate" (aka pipe out) - but it's almost there!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I just can't seem to get excited about it. I've tried.
- Akiva
Jesse, I hear what your hashing, but (for me) it's analogous to: I'm always doing maintenance on my self-hosted wordpress "home" and it keeps my official stuff, but when I'm at my posterous vacation condo I don't feel weighed down by housekeeping and just feel free to use it with abandon more so.
- Micah
Micah, that's what I use FriendFeed for though
- Jesse Stay
But FriendFeed is only one place. Putting it on Posterous puts in on FF and everywhere else I need it.
- Rah-PM 2012
Rahsheen my FriendFeed goes to Twitter, Facebook and my blog - what else does it need to go to?
- Jesse Stay
Our native FriendFeed posts get sent to your blog and Facebook now?! Guessed I missed the memo...
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona, it gets sent to Twitter, and my native Facebook imports my Twitter, or the native Twitter Facebook app, either way. My native FriendFeed app loads on my blog.
- Jesse Stay
LiveJournal, Xanga, Identi.ca to name 3. Also, All my FF doesn't go to Twitter, just most. If I then went Twitter -> Facebook, I lose all my embedded media and I'm now limited to 140 chars...
- Rah-PM 2012
Rah, why do I need to send to those when I can't follow them all?
- Jesse Stay
My point being Posterous is just one more service I have to manage when I can already configure my existing services to do what it does.
- Jesse Stay
But Jesse - all of your bits are everywhere. How do you track your Tweets? The images you post? The articles you clip?
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Not to mention I own all the content posted to my blog - I'm not relying on anyone else to keep it up.
- Jesse Stay
and TweetBeep and Backtype. I manage most of my social media workflow via e-mail.
- Jesse Stay
That's the point, you don't manage Posterous. You just dump stuff in it.
- Rah-PM 2012
LOL FF's search is borked and Backtype doesn't track all of my comments - we can go on all day, but Posterous is my choice.
- Mona Nomura
I see Posterous as distracting from my home base, my blog. I don't need one more service to my existing workflow. I haven't missed anything critical yet from my current workflow so why change it?
- Jesse Stay
To each their own, Jesse. :) Until Posterous builds a community and there's more interaction, it's my personal "library", per se.
- Mona Nomura
What is your posterous site Mona, Jesse and Rah?
- Amani
Mona, agreed - that's just what I use FriendFeed and Facebook for. I understand it works for you though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - how do you pull up links / discussions from months ago on Facebook? Every link does not have a permalink, only one attached to the comment notifications... :(
- Mona Nomura
That's a good point Jesse. Posterous Integrates with A LOT of platforms but not everybody needs this. Tumblr only integrates with Twitter and Facebook but for me that's enough.
- Andre P. Siregar
from iPod
I just spend today setting up Posterous to post to several of my profiles. Still learning to use it though. Another is ProfileFly that I'm playing with too.
- Gary Gil
I'm pretty much open - the easiest, simplest, with most opt in/outs is my winner. I'm also watching the SEO activity.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Moooooona you can tell it how and where to autopipe. Problem is is you have other services set to autopoast when you autopost then you tripple post :(
- Michael G. Galli
Matthew, Pixelpipe's great - works with your existing services and doesn't try to create anything new
- Jesse Stay
It has a great Bookmarklet that works well. I am just getting into Posterous and so far I like it.
- Robert Couture
Posterous is great, but an aggregator it is not. It's sort of a reverse aggregator.
- mike fabio
Does Posterous munge up data you send to it, and, how does it handle categories and tags? Does it transfer those correctly to all its targets?
- Rick Cogley
Posterous is awesome! really love it. I got an invite last year, and am really happy it took off - yay!
- Susan Beebe
This definitely puts the nail in the coffin of the "RSS is dead" contentious debate. Now we can focus on innovations in-and-around RSS. (In response to the Google Reader question, I think that Google will use their HubPubSubHubb in conjunction with Feedburner,- however I suspect they will need to be compatible with rssCloud) Translation for end-users: wait and see.
- William Mougayar
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
@William Hopefully - its a pointless debate - always was.
- Chris Saad
pointless for those who don't care about realtime
- Steve Gillmor
lol saying that to me is kinda silly too Steve :)
- Chris Saad
Instead of debating, why not just let the API mashup devs do their thing and the rssCloud (RSSCloud?) devs do their thing. We (the social media megaphoners) need to just shut our speculating pieholes, wait, and anticipate being blown away (or not). Turning non issues into issues is SO Web 1.0. #justsayin#rsscloud#api
- Mona Nomura
it's not a non-issue, and these technologoies were invented to give people a voice
- Steve Gillmor
The fact that we are all here in FF (SUP) vs. discussing via instantized blog/comment volley/query rebuttal is telling. This notion of approaching more realtime options is how blogs might get back to being useful for certain groups of folks. Maybe?
- Jay Cuthrell
Real-time is a very important feature Jay - super important. So are a number of other key features of the social web and a number of new emerging features of the next web.
- Chris Saad
(didn't mean to inject or hijack anything there btw... this is all good stuff)
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks, Dave. Congrats on the big news, btw!
- Mona Nomura
To add - if "real time discussions" are pertinent to your forward thinking, innovations, and products: You're Doing it Wrong. Form opinions, then discuss. If you're wrong, apologize, learn, and move on. #CriticalThinking101
- Mona Nomura
In hindsight, Steve's obsession with the subject of real-time might have heightened our attention on the debate, but also perhaps hastened the development of rssCloud. I'm sure that in the back of Dave Winer's mind, he wanted to show that Twitter (and Friendfeed to some extent) wasn't the only real-time game in town (in addition to the fact that this hook was already available in RSS...
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- William Mougayar
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
William, you'd be 100 percent wrong about that. I was doing this stuff before Twitter or FriendFeed existed.
- Dave Winer
I'm not so sure Twitter was ever real time. Only centralized. This made it appear realtime. (Except for the lucky few - i.e. friendfeed)
- Jeremy Felt
reagrdless of the prior art discussion, certainly dave's embrace of realtime is good news
- Steve Gillmor
@stevegillmor: prior art? What on earth are you trying to say in this context? Since when did prior art have anything to do with real time? Or have I missed something fundamental?
- Dennis Howlett
Let's see what happens with all the million Wordpress.com blogs. But I have a felling this will be big but we won't see the impact for a few months
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Dave, I'm glad I was wrong (as I hinted to the fact that you had that hook there from 2001). I recall well how Radio Userland and Manila used to interchange feeds in real-time. You sure have kept us in suspense, til now, though!
- William Mougayar
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Well, I still don't have my head around rssCloud but I'm finally reading rather than skimming. (That's what the WordPress announcement pushed me to do.) Poking around, it looks like Dave has a lot more in store. This namespace, for example http://rsscloud.org/namespa... with a provision for nested items could allow for threaded discussion?