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How do you decide which professional associations to join? I'm active in SLA and TRB (transportation thing), but am thinking about dropping my ASIS&T membership. They do interesting stuff, but I don't have time to devote to them. Is it worthwhile being a member of an organization if you don't actually do anything for it other than give them your $?
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I was talking about this with my mom the other day, and she said there are associations she belongs to because she thinks it's worth it to support their work over all, even though she doesn't go to conferences or serve on committees or anything for them any more.
- laura x
I agree with Laura. I have associations I am a member of to support their work, and others I am only a member of so long as I am active. Associations need all kinds of members (says one who works for one :)
- Fiona Bradley
Along the lines of this topic (sorry to threadjack, K), do these associations have student memberships?
- Derrick
Derrick - yup, and SLA's is pretty cheap and they have lots of awards available to students so you can attend the annual conference.
- jambina
Allow me to toot our horn - IFLA also has student membership, and there is currently a membership sponsorship programme to join for free with a mentor via "Adopt a Student" - http://www.ifla.org/files... and let me tell you, some of the people on the list you want to know.
- Fiona Bradley
I'm with laura and her mom on this as well (if the dues are at all reasonable). Sometimes you need to make choices, but if you believe in a group's work, supporting them makes sense--and for membership organizations, belonging is the best form of support.
- Walt Crawford
Well, you're all really agreeing with my mother--I only agree with her some days.
- laura x
to me, it would depend on the money. if i had the money to just support without being active, i'd consider it. but those kind of memberships would be the first to get cut from the budget if i needed to do so.
- Katie
I dropped my ASIST membership, and replaced it with the LSW. I am keeping the ASEE, since it is still under $100/year, and I get their magazine and a journal, which has some useful stuff in it. But, I don't go to ASEE conferences since I can only afford about 1.5 conferences a year.
- joe is...
I like ASIS&T because it is closest to my wanna-be-LIS-PhD heart. And I have lots of friends there, and it's a good size conference. That said, I only go every 2-3 years, but I support them. Dropped ALA last year and am on the fence about SLA, but will probably stay in SLA to support the news librarians division.
- Stephanie_Thankful
Honestly? Cost. MPOW doesn't reimburse us for association memberships, and I'm too skint to afford $100 here, $75 there.
- cecily
I currently belong to none besides LSW because I don't see much return for my money. That's subject to change.
- s t e v e
Thanks for the input, everybody. I think I'll let my ASIST membership lapse because I am skint, what with the pay cut and all. SLA and TRB keep me busy enough.
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
my office thermometer says it's 68 in here, but I disbelieve. *shivers*
I never believe thermometers; they all lie.
- Stephanie_Thankful
My thermometer said it was 56 when I got home. I believed it. I am bundled up eating Indian food and waiting for the heat to kick in. Sorry, earth.
- laura x
I should rephrase: I never believe when it says it's *warm*. ours says it's 66, but we are both chilled.
- Stephanie_Thankful
For Derrick - FIST BUMP.
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This is so exciting!
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I'll be cleaning dvd's, rewinding vhs tapes, and shelving them!!
- Derrick
Just so you know, that in no way mirrors the kind of work you'll be doing as a librarian, unless you work in a teeny weeny library that has a staff of two.
- cecily
The good news is it'll give you hands on experience about how different libraries choose to organize their collections. I'd be interested in hearing whether they're strict Dewey, if they use a bookstore organization scheme, or some mix.
- cecily
I know you work a regular job, but see if you can come in some time when the librarian/librarians are around, too, so you can get some idea of what their work life and concerns are like. But at this point, anything is probably some good exposure to working at the library.
- s t e v e
Um. Yes. I am a librarian, and I do many things along those lines. But then I also work in a teeny weeny library branch with a staff of two.
- laura x
Just make sure they don't haze you by telling you to rewind DVDs.
- Jàson Puçkett
I wasn't denigrating the work, Laura, just noting that it wasn't really representative of the kind of work that Derrick might be expected to do as an academic librarian. I'm of the mindset that work that needs doing should just get done regardless of hierarchy, but as I work in a union environment, most librarians would get their knickers in a knot if they were asked to polish DVDs.
- cecily
Oh, I understand--I am just being my usual defensive tiny library self. It's all good. :-)
- laura x
In some ways, I think folks in tiny libraries have it better. I got chewed out once by our systems people because I moved a monitor from one desk to another without telling them.
- cecily
I can't believe this is happening. We're converting you to our cult. You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
- Laura Norvig
Good notes all the way around. I don't mind paying my dues, and I think after I build up some rapport with my supervisor, I'll check in (using a personal day from the office, maybe?) to see what it is y'all do in prime time. Thanks everyone for your support. It means an awful lot.
- Derrick
Rock on Derrick! One of us!
- marthalib
I keep thinking about this as an eventual blog post, but I wanted to toss it out to the LSW for some feedback. Are books the proverbial 'third rail' of library collection management? Specifically, if there any discussion about removing parts or (like the Cushing Academy) a whole collection, it's seen as being blasphemous to the profession?
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On one hand, we have librarians who like the mantra, "We are more than just books", but refuse to consider a collection without books.
- Andy Woodworth
heh. I'm about to teach a coll-dev course in which I mention books as little as I can responsibly manage. ;)
- D0r0th34
I think it's fair to say that printed books are the third rail of library management. There is certainly a lot of railing from librarians and patrons alike. The use of books seems to vary widely depending on audience, and people have attachments to books that are multifaceted (some more intellectual, many more emotional). Anything that aims to radically change the local equilibrium is bound to be shocking to someone.
- s t e v e
What kind of library? For a public library, at this point, absolutely (blasphemous, that is). For humanities academic libraries, ditto. For (some) science libraries or special libraries? Not so much: Getting rid of most or all books might, in some cases, be responsible librarianship. But I'm not a librarian, and I'm thought to be an incorrigible bookist, so apply appropriate skepticism. (Cushing? I won't even go there.)
- Walt Crawford
When we had to do some budget triage last spring I was amazed that our chemists (mostly young, mostly new to our college) decided to cut journals rather than their book/dvd allocation. The previous chemists (mostly old) had rarely bought a book, and the new ones are appalled at the crappy state of our book collection. As for railing, it has been happening a lot lately. Maybe it comes in waves.
- barbara fister
Yes. The kind of library matters a lot. And Dorothea, I'm beginning to think that I learned most of what I know about public library collection development in my readers advisory class.
- laura x
well, the first thing Imma gonna tell my students is "I am an academic librarian. This class is about academic libraries. It will touch on matters public-libraryish only in passing. If that's not what you're looking for, by all means drop."
- D0r0th34
Yeah, I wish my CD class had included such a statement--because mine was aimed almost exclusively at academic libraries. Is there a more balanced or public library relevant course available to them?
- laura x
Well, this is a "topics in..." course rather than the core coll-dev course, so I'm assuming yes. That's also why I think I can get away with these shenanigans, of course. :)
- D0r0th34
Gotcha. Shenanigan away.
- laura x
Our Faculty Senate recently had a discussion about the campus budget short-fall in which the idea of cutting the library's book budget was mentioned as one possibility. And yes, they were specific about the book part.
- Kirsten
Again I think it depends on the type of library. As to it being a third rail, yes, it really is. In my library, I've seen our book circulation go up over the past year. But I'd venture to say this isn't a common occurrence for most academic libraries. I'm at a community college where we're getting an increasing number of dual enrollment students (high school/college credit) and I think...
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- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
We have the distinction of being an academic library that has never had any printed books (college was chartered that way), although we do have a decent amount of eBooks. But eBooks will never be able to fully replace print books in my opinion (students use local libs when needed) - they are just another mode of communicating monograph information & have a long way to go until they are...
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- Dana Longley
I will agree that the type of library certainly counts. If you are a special library that collects, let's say, Winnebagos, print resources are not going to be a priority. Even in corporate or science special collections, I would surmise that books might be discarded in favor of contemporary information sources such as databases and journals. In the public library where I work, I get odd...
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- Andy Woodworth
Andy, I agree, and IME it plays out in another arena too: *any* move to put resources (either collection budget or staff) behind *anything* electronic is seen by some as a traitorous dagger in the back of books. much wailing and gnashing of teeth ensues.
- D0r0th34
We're also moving some things to circulating. What will remain of the reference collection is being put in with our circulating collection and will be available for overnight checkout. I don't see our students making the distinction between reference and circulating collections and think it's silly to make them do so anymore. Unfortunately for us right now, eBooks aren't a viable option...
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- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Again speaking as an outsider: I'd think reference collections would be mostly exempt from third-rail status; many of the books were books only because that was the only way to bind bunches of facts together, and now there are better (electronic) ways. (Dorothea: Really? Doesn't your electronic-resources budget, including journal access, already exceed your print acquisitions budget, probably by a considerable factor?)
- Walt Crawford
(Yes. But that's okay because it's JOURNALS, not BOOKS, you see.)
- D0r0th34
Andy I would say it is a third rail for public libraries. When you weed anything librarians and patrons react very strongly. However, most would agree that moving reference to circulating collection and pushing databases is what every library should be doing. The next creep that will freak out libraries is taking that discussion to the non-fiction collection where circulation isn't as good as fiction.
- Jeff Scott
from iPod
What's more important? The Ideas or The Container holding the Ideas?
- Aaron the Librarian
Free Digital Textbook Initiative - http://www.clrn.org/fdti/
Standards-based, CC-licensed textbooks from California. Info on accessible versions at http://creativecommons.org/weblog....
- laura x
If you suddenly were given a snow day (and I don't care how improbably that may be in your location, just imagine), what would you do with the day?
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Prepare for the apocalypse.
- FF's Bubba of Arizona
Play Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, watch DVDs, read comics, maybe play with Legos.
- josh neff, geek at large
A whole lot of nothing. Lots of dvd watching, Friend Feeding, and staying under the Smurf sleeping bag.
- aden
play with the cats, watch some dvd's, maybe think about cleaning, go walk in the snow and take pictures
- Sir Shuping
Read next to the fireplace.
- Derrick
my life is a snow day............:-/
- VAL D.
I'm going to Josh's house, after a stop to pick up Aden with her Smurf sleeping bag. :) Legos and Smurfs!
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Derrick, I'm so jealous of the fireplace. :) That was the one thing that I really was hoping for when we bought our house. I'll just have to come visit you sometime.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I guess I'd be outside shoveling.
- Jordan Hofker
That depends: does my son's daycare have a snow day too? If so, play in the snow with J. If not: TEA AND BOOKS OH BABY YES.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Hey, Junebug, I also have a fireplace! ;)
- josh neff, geek at large
That's right. I forgot Josh. :-D
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I have a fireplace, but our UPS and U-verse router are in it. The TV is in front of it.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
Curl up in front of the fireplace and cuddle with my honey :) Do some online shopping and I'm assuming the snow day comes due to significant snow fall. I'd make show cream, love that stuff.
- H0llywoodWh0re
How do you make snow cream?
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I'm having one today? But technology forces me to work from home.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPhone
bake
- suzanne
Go for a walk with my camera in hand.
- cecily
Read. Maybe go cross-country skiing.
- laura x
ditto josh on the zelda, though i don't have a fireplace :( probably clean the apartment, too. depending on how the cleaning goes, may also fit in some writing/knitting time. and yes, i'm planning what i may be doing tomorrow ;)
- Katie
Sleep, knit, play Borderlands, sleep some more.
- Mary Carmen
oh yeah, probably also do some xmas baking.
- Katie
I was thinking about baking tomorrow if we do end up having the college closed. Probably should look through recipes to make sure I have what I need on hand.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Video games and a nap.
- Jàson Puçkett
good point. i'm 99% positive I have everything, but could probably stand to pick up extra flour and butter. and some eggs. damn, my shopping list is already pretty full.
- Katie
1/2 day on a snowy photo stroll, 1/2 day snuggling with kittehz
- vicster
Finish watching Big Bang Theory, catch up on my Hulu queue, and start reading Red Seas Under Red Skies.
- Jenica
In theory? start packing. In reality? listen to music, do stupid dances, watch tv... my brand of nothing
- Lo is a Quitter
Beyond bibliographic records - http://orweblog.oclc.org/archive...
Lorcan Dempsey talks about different ways of conveying and relating catalog information. Reminds me of Christopher Harris, who has talked about how the major problem with OPACs is that they are connecting users to MARC records, when in fact users are mostly not interested in the content of MARC records.
- laura x
I think I just successfully installed WordPressMU. I am just going to sit and admire the dashboard for awhile now before I muck it up again.
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Cold enough in LA for this:
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Oh man. It is freezing here, too. What is up with that? I wish my fireplace worked.
- joey
This is the first time we've used it since we've been roommates. It's nice, cause our furnace is on the fritz, so I'll take warmth anyway I can get it.
- Derrick
its 37f here on LI
- VAL D.
It's about 50F in LA right now, but this is heaven right now.
- Derrick
The wind chill here was 33 last I heard (about 2 hours ago).
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
I thought, "I've got to buy wood," then I remembered the tree branches that fell last winter. Ooh...all those PC Magazines I never threw out can help me now, right?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
It's 10 below here. I don't even want to hear about your 33 degrees or your 50 or what have you.
- laura x
Looks cozy!
- Anne Bouey
I had KTLA on earlier when they broke in with a news bullletin about the "severe winter weather" in So Cal. *blink* It's *raining*, people.
- cecily
maybe there's a breeze too?
- Jim Hearts FF
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So-so day, excellent dinner.
- laura x
YouTube - Stress at Carleton College - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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"A 3 minute documentary on stress at Carleton College and the Silence Dance Party which takes place in the library the night before finals"
- lris
from Bookmarklet
Student: "You lose, like, all the social structures, like... you gotta look good or... not be sweating in the library."
- lris
*looks for Iris*
- Derrick
I'm incognito as the guy with the beard and the unzipped unitard.
- lris
I just sent the link to this to my sister's sister-in-law, who went to Carleton in the pre-iPod era.
- Catherine Pellegrino
This is awesome!
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. THE LIBRARY EXTENDED HOURS SIGN IS IN COMIC SANS.
- s t e v e
The self-check machines in Cody are in Comic Sans. It's an epidemic.
- laura x
++ s t e v e! Silent dance party sounds awesome. At my college we just had 15min allocated each day during finals where you were allowed to make lots of noise. But the associated property damage would probably be too much for most schools.
- Lo is a Quitter
http://www.youtube.com/watch... Not-silent library party.
- Mr. Gunn
I claim innocence. I have nothing to do with the creation of the extended hours sign. :-)
- lris
Sister's sister-in-law reports that she went to school with Ann Zawistoski. And she doesn't remember any such tradition during her years, but that was before iPods, so...
- Catherine Pellegrino
The tradition is a new one and started since I arrived. But that's really cool about going to school with Ann! Ann's office is two down from mine.
- lris
Tell her hi from Rebecca Swank, then!
- Catherine Pellegrino
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looking good
- RAPatton
These would be the OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE MY HAIR IS SO SHORT pictures.
- laura x
Very pretty!
- Laura Lou Who
you have great hair
- marthalib
cyoot
- Jàson Puçkett
cute! and i'm pretty sure that's definitely shorter than when we had dinner in ic :)
- Katie
Short? How long was it before?
- Ayşe E.
(It looks v. nice, btw.)
- Ayşe E.
Very nice!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
I think I had about 4" taken off. It had been so long since I last remembered to have my hair cut that the ends were just a disaster.
- laura x
yes very cute!
- βℜ∀ñÐi
yes very cute!
- βℜ∀ñÐi
Oh, the hair! Was transfixed on the nifty specs! :)
- JA Castillo
Had a great time at NYPL's annual holiday party today with my 7yo son. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Wish I had been able to shoot some video of the kids' chorus, but my video settings got all screwed up and I didn't have time to readjust them.
- Stephen Francoeur
The phone booth must look like a relic to him.
- s t e v e
Steve: I'm not he even understood its purpose enough to get that it was a relic. I don't think he's ever seen my or my wife using a pay phone (generally not a good idea in NYC, as they are more likely to be broken or covered in chewing gum, etc.)
- Stephen Francoeur
*thinks about all the pay phones she has used in NYC, and then tries to retreat from that thought*
- laura x
-18F. That is all.
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32F, and snowing.
- Jenica
*sends blankets*
- Laura Lou Who
Oh, that's all. Glad to see it's not really notable.
- Stephen Francoeur
owwwwwww!
- D0r0th34
yeah, I know what you mean. It's only 61 here, and it's gonna rain. Couldn't wear my shorts this morning. :(
- FF's Bubba of Arizona
You live in Crazy Frozen Land.
- Jàson Puçkett
It's a preview of my January. I stalled on wearing my winter boots to work today, probably my last chance at street shoes in the morning, if the snow holds up. So I have lots of sympathy.
- Jenica
Also, I have become a total wuss, as I not only drove to go swimming this morning but also drove to work. My poor little car.
- laura x
oh, man. And I thought our 6 degrees F was bad.
- Kårín Dalzĭel
Eeep! *hands Laura a cup of hot chocolate* Come January/February, it will likely be -double digits here too. For now, it's 17 with a dusting of snow and a brilliant winter sun.
- Galadriel C.
4º + snow = 2 hour delay for elementary school
- s t e v e
16 F
- marthalib
Not so cold here (27F) but we got our much-delayed first dusting of snow, which rapidly became an ice rink. Gotta give my SB peeps credit, though: lots of very careful driving going on out there.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I need new winter boots.
- marthalib
Awful, isn't it Bubba? They're predicting 24 inches of snow!! (above 6000 feet that is...just rain for the valley)
- ÉllbeeÇee
Something that looks like snow (but is probably thick frost) on the cars, plant life and roofs (prob. in high 20s overnight), but it's all the way up to 36F now (at 7:50 a.m.). But then, this is sunny California. [My wife went out and checked. It's snow...oddly enough.]
- Walt Crawford
Laura, I wish you lived closer to me so we could drive over to Saratoga together and sit in the hot springs!
- Kaijsa Calkins
Mmmm. . . hot springs. I have been in the warm library for two hours now and I'm still feeling chilly.
- laura x
Flowers for Algernon - http://www.goodreads.com/review...
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my fav book and movie
- VAL D.
It is good. :)
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I remember reading that at about age 13 at camp, and one of the counselors, seeing that I was almost finished, backing away from telling me I was supposed to be up and doing something else.
- laura x
THINGS WHICH ARE NOT TRUE, GO:
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I AM RELATED TO THE POPE.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
I LIKE PECANS.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
YOUR ASS ISTHE SIZE OF THE UNIVERSE.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
A CAMERA IS A DEVICE WHICH QUICKLY HEATS FOOD.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
I AM ALLERGIC TO SHIRTS
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I AM NOT WEARING PANTS.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
IT'S NOT WEIRD AT ALL THAT MEN IN BLACK 2 WAS ON YESTERDAY AND MEN IN BLACK IS ON TODAY.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
I HAVE A LOVELY BUNCH OF COCONUTS
- Lo is a Quitter
THE INTERNET IS A SERIES OF TUBES.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
President Bush (GW or GHWB) was a good president.
- Alex Scoble
BACON IS A VEGETABLE.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
FRIENDFEED IS BORING AND DERIVATIVE.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
CILANTRO TASTES GOOD
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
CAKE IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR A BALANCED DIET.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I HATE THE AMAZING RACE. AND I NEVER WISH I COULD GET ON THAT SHOW. THEY NEVER SHOULD MAKE A CANADIAN VERSION OF IT.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
KETCHUP IS A VEGETABLE.
- laura x
BRAS ARE SUPER COMFORTABLE TO WEAR FOR 20 HOURS STRAIGHT
- Mary Carmen
FRIENDFEED IS DEAD
- CW™
TIME TRAVEL IS UMPOSSIBLE.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
POLICE IS YOUR FIREND
- CW™
PLAYING MIND GAMES IS SEXY AND MAKES OTHERS WANT YOU MORE.
- CW™
I HAVE NO TALENTS
- Michael R. Bernstein
Christmas music is good.
- Alex Scoble
Are you sure that's not true?
- Alex Scoble
yeah rethought it..
- CW™
Brussel sprouts are gross...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
GARLIC PASTE IS USABLE AS A CONDIMENT
- Michael R. Bernstein
Submitted last assignment for last MLIS course. I'm as good as done my MLIS.
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Whoo hoo!
- laura x
it's always so slow at the ER. bleh
ER???
- lris
Do not like :( Get out of there soon!
- Nikki D.
Yes, it's never at all like on TV (but I guess they can't fit the 4 hour waits into your average show). Hope everything is okay!
- laura x
this is the only thing i know: if it is slow for her, she will be a-okay. it's teh rush you need to worry about. *hugs to you and your maman*
- jambina
Hope everything goes okay and the visit speeds up.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Ugh. Hope it does all turn out OK & they get you out of there soon.
- s t e v e
I'm going to hate bringing this up, but here goes. I've read several comments that say Mr. "Gatecrasher" Salahi isn't white because he's Palestinian. Does this mean, then, that white = of European descent only?
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heh. your reference to margaret cho's post sparked this very conversation between Tiffany and I. To paraphrase what she just said to me (and I agree with), most white people wouldn't consider Arabs white but the census does. And, personally, knowing how skin color plays in countries a little more homogeneous than our own, what passes for "white" (or "black" or in between) varies on lots of different factors.
- Jason Toney
I don't know. Maybe to a eugenicist? According to one vile eugenicist I read for some academic work, I (one of the palest people on the planet) wouldn't be considered white because there are Germans in my background. Some people have pretty extreme ideas about race and ethnicity.
- Katy S
Are we talking layman's definitions or Census categories?
- tiffany
I've heard people say Italians, Spaniards, Greeks aren't "white" as well. I think that's why people use "Caucasian" instead, since that would be more geographically specific. Either way, the skull structure is pretty much the same, so the differences are the ones on the outside.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Tiffany: either. Both.
- cecily
I don't think most white folks would consider Mexicans white either. But, according to my birth certificate, my race is white.
- Yolanda
Only in the United States is "Hispanic" a different category from "caucasian", that I'm aware of.
- DJF
according to the census he is white. according to the census, north african arabs would also be white. ditto central and west asians, middle easterners, and some north africans. most regular folks would say he's not white, but wouldn't quite know where else to put him. i've also heard people (er uh, mostly black ones for what that's worth) say "he's not white, he's...
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- tiffany
also DJF: only in the united states is "hispanic" a category at all. more of a geographic / linguistic grouping than a racial one.
- tiffany
I've known some Muslims who consider themselves White, but then there are others who don't. It really depends on who you speak to. I think people tend to forget that this isn't a Black and White world.
- Shevonne
Arabs haven't been "white" since 9/11
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
gah gah gah!!! MUSLIM IS NOT A RACIAL DESIGNATION. MUSLIM != ARAB. <rant />
- tiffany
But Muslims can be ethnically (or even culturally) White/Caucasian. A Muslim identity doesn't necessarily translate into an ethnic identity, especially if you think of the very large Muslim communities in Eastern European countries, or the number of Muslim communities in the Asia-Pacific region.
- cecily
I divide people up into those likely to be pulled over by the po-po, and those who are not.
- Derrick
This has come up in one way or another with Jews I've known throughout the years, and the responses run the gamut between "Jews aren't white" (this person's POV was based on how Jews have been persecuted throughout history) to "Jews are white, but not really", to "If I don't open my mouth and tell people I'm Jewish, for all intents and purposes, I'm a white person". That's what got me...
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- cecily
Derrick, by that definition, I'm a white person in Vancouver, because I am least likely to get pulled over.
- cecily
But then, Vancouver's not North America, as I'm reminded almost daily.
- cecily
agreed cecily. just pointing out our tendency to think of muslims as those people who live in the middle east. but in reality, there are *1.2 billion* muslims on this planet, most of whom are *not* arab. ain't no way my hausa cousin-in-law will identify himself as white. ditto my black american convert cousin.
- tiffany
Oh...forgot to throw in "by LAPD" in there.
- Derrick
+++J. =) Growing up, most Middle Easterners & Arabs I knew considered themselves white no matter how dark they were. Strangely, most of my Egyptians friends have said that they were black, while Libyans I knew (again, no matter how dark) would claim whiteness.
- Captain Bubbles
I think that seeing people as Black and White is a way to separate people into only two groups, which isn't how the world really is. I have friends from many different countries. If you ask them what their nationality is, they define themselves from where they are from. I feel that is how it should be.
- Shevonne
I used to work for a state government agency that collected demographic information. We were required to collect data about people's race, but there were no legal definitions as to what terms like "white," "black," or "asian/pacific islander" mean. So, when people asked us, we had to rely upon what was vaguely referred to as "community standards"—did the people of that community, IN...
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- Glen Mistletoe
This just goes to show what we all know, that "race" is not some scientific category, but something suffused with emotion, culture, stereotype and so on. Looking at Salahi, I'd say he's a white guy. Once you tell me he's Palestinian, I'd say perhaps he's not such a white guy after all, because in the USA, "white" tends to mean "Nondescript and/or European descent."
- s t e v e
I agree that most Arabs haven't been white since Sept. 11, but look at Mr. Salahi. If I didn't know that man's last name, or know the country of his birth, for all intents and purposes I'd consider him a white man, which goes back to the discussion of how racial profiling works in the United States.
- cecily
I'm going to have to dust off "Light in August" again. It's been awhile.
- Derrick
I don't think we're separating people into Black/White in this thread, Shevonne. If anything, we're talking about White/Other, where other is...well...anyone who isn't white.
- cecily
White = You can't snap your fingers in time with music.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
*clubs Rob on the head in time with the music*
- Spidra Webster
Glen, that's one thing I actually love about being in Canada. That kind of demographic data is not collected on governmental forms.
- cecily
Or rather, it isn't *required*.
- cecily
LOL @ Spidra
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Shevonne, the point of this discussion is from a US standpoint, it seems. As I said above my friends would consider themselves white, but depending on circumstances, they'd state that they're Syrian, Persian, Lebanese, etc...I have noticed how they (and South Americans for that matter) will let someone assume they're white Americans/Europeans to get better treatment.
- Captain Bubbles
I will have to say that this is the best discussion I've seen on FriendFeed in a very long time.
- Shevonne
Yeah, the only bad thing about it is that it has lodged Michael Jackson's "Black or White" in my head.
- s t e v e
I am sure that I am going to wish I hadn't written this... But here goes. I think that most Anglo/Europeans cant always tell where exactly Arabs are from (Egypt, KSA, etc) unless they have an accent but they can tell that they aren't "black" and previous to 9/11 that was enough.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
@J. Many of my Arab friends have said the same thing, so you shouldn't feel bad for writing that. @Steve haha
- Shevonne
It's an outgrowth of the civil rights acts of the 1960's; and it's kind of a weird situation. While trying to outlaw the use of race by people, they're actually mandating the identification of people by race in order to measure compliance.
- Glen Mistletoe
J., I think most "white" people can't always tell where other "white" people are from, unless someone points out their Irish/German/Scandinavian/French/English ancestry. And that's a privilege. Whereas you don't need to know where "Other" folks are from, you just need to know that they're not you.
- cecily
Can we throw class in there as well? Clearly the Salahis aren't hurting for loot, or at least they don't give off that they are? That wedding video on youtube was dos muchos.
- Derrick
http://www.amazon.com/Train-A... Interesting discussion about "Who Really Is A Canadian?" with writer and raconteur, Murray Sayles about race and ethnicity
- Melanie Reed
While I'm sure 9/11 is a dividing line, I don't think it's true that people of middle-eastern descent were always lumped in with "white" by white folks. Some of it probably has to do with assimilation to the USA's "white culture." If a person identifies strongly with being "Persian" just for one example, they can seem "less white" to people of European descent whose families have been American for generations.
- s t e v e
Class definitely plays a part. After all, look at Oprah's reaction when she got turned away from Hermes. Look at Skip Gates' reaction when that cop showed his rear end. They'd achieved a level of success where they felt that they'd escaped the world of the "Other", but they had a wakeup call.
- cecily
Steve FTW. "Nondescript" is probably the best term for "Non-Hispanic caucasian," which is where I think mutts like me wind up. (Katy S.: Germans not "white"? That's one confused eugenicist, which may come with the territory.) As for "race," once you get beyond human, you're in trouble already. (Hey, I'm a Californian, and we're *all* minorities now.)
- Walt Crawford
@Derrick I agree that class was a large component but, the other thing that was on display was the idea of "colour as caste" in America.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
++ J. That doesn't get talked about nearly enough.
- cecily
Walt - That was from Madison Grant's book 'The Passing Of The Great Race' from 1916 http://books.google.com/books... . It's vile. I felt tainted after reading it. It's based on geographical eugenicist theories. He also claims that the people from Northern Ireland...
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- Katy S
Well, and "nondescript" to dominant culture white middle class middle aged dudes like me. I might be very "descript" in Russia or somewhere else with other "white" people.
- s t e v e
Nondescript is one of those things that -- depending on who is using the term -- points to the way whiteness is normalized. If nondescript means unremarkable, then does unremarkable = white?
- cecily
I'm thinking of ways I've described myself since moving to Canada. When I lived in Atlanta, I'd take pains to talk about hairstyle, weight, or what I was wearing on that particular day as a way of introducing myself to a complete stranger. In Canada, if I'm going to meet a stranger for the first time, the first thing I tell them is that I'm black, because that is the one characteristic about myself that makes me stand out here. Not so much in Atlanta.
- cecily
Right, that's close to what I meant about my discomfort with my own use of "nondescript." I guess I mean that some "white" folks identify closely with their European roots. I'm not one of those people, and my only real racial/ethnic identity is "white American."
- s t e v e
I think that nondescript in this context speaks to the idea that in certain settings white people "look like they belong" while people of colour "look out of place"
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
J. is just winning today.
- cecily
There's a body of sociological literature on "becoming white", mostly focused on how Americans translated Italians, Irish, and Jews from ethnic minorities to "white people" . Which is about how assimilation and "norming" happens as various cultures enter the mainstream. It's not Caucasian, but it is about "becoming normal" -- as defined by the dominant culture - and usually such norming...
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- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I haven't read through this entire thread and I probably should (and will). But from where I hail being "white" means "light skinned and not of African descent". It's a political/cultural designation more than anything else I think. It meant where you could eat, buy a home. Who you could associate with. How you treated "white" people, how you were treated by the law. Now? Not so much....
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- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
whiteness is such a ridiculous construct
- marthalib
Ridiculous, but useful.
- cecily
Kudos to everyone for the smarts and respect brought to this. This is why I love FF.
- Derrick
Yeah, so far nobody's made me want to shut off comments. Yay, us.
- cecily
YAY YOU, YOU CECILY. YAY YOU.
- Derrick
Nah, I'm not one for self-congratulations, D. It's all about the participants.
- cecily
So anyway, back to the thread.
- cecily
NO I WANNA LOVE CECILY SOME MORE
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
YAY CECILY. Seriously though Miss C widened my world of blogging and socnets all those many years ago. And she let them drop that stalking charge down to "loitering" :)
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
cecily: your objection to nondescript is valid--but I don't find "caucasian" to be descriptive at all, and "mostly pinkish from all sorts of background" isn't all that useful. And I'm no European (whatever that might be). "Mutt" (which is what I think most U.S. folks, myself included, are) gets you into other sorts of trouble. Anyway, a good discussion, as you-all say.
- Walt Crawford
Is whiteness a useful construct? In so many ways, it is a false construct. I suppose it gives us the ability to talk about white privilege. How else is it useful?
- marthalib
I sort of think we *have* to have some way to talk about white privilege, because it clearly exists. I am from one very "white" state and now live in one that is even more so. I'm inclined to go with Derrick's first definition--"white" is when you don't get pulled over by the police. In places that I've lived, being Arab would often qualify as "not white"--but perhaps that's because the people of Arab and Middle Eastern ancestry that I've known have tended to identify very strongly as such.
- laura x
For as long as people find it important to talk about race (and there are good reasons, arising from one's identity and heritage, as well as bad reasons, arising from racism and prejudice), I think it's important to have a word for 'white'. Without a word and a concept, white people will say "I don't have an ethnicity" like people often say "I don't have an accent", and assume that all our customs and assumptions are the default to which Those Other People with accents and ethnicities should conform.
- Deborah Fitchett
cecily: That's a profound comment.
- Walt Crawford
Point taken about the usefulness of whiteness. I feel more comfortable with it being presented as a social construct, as being are doing in this discussion. What makes me uncomfortable is when whiteness is presented or understood as an essential or biological category.
- marthalib
This reminds me of the article (NYT?) about how kids like mine end up very confused about race, because people like me are reluctant to use words like "black" or "white" because we know they are problematic and aren't quite ready to talk race with an 8 year old. Add that to living in a segregated community and you get kids like mine talking about "brown-skinned people" because they haven't been exposed very much to the sometimes-useful always-problematic labels of "black" and "white."
- s t e v e
Deborah: Yes, we all have accents. Yes, we all have some range of ethnic backgrounds--but "white" says almost nothing about ethnicity and damn little about customs and assumptions.
- Walt Crawford
cecily: And they might be right. But really, are you saying you know my customs, ethnic background and assumptions because the box I check on the census is non-Hispanic caucasian? Really? I sure don't know much about your background and assumptions based on what box you check on the census...
- Walt Crawford
That's quite apart from the issue of "white privilege," which I am presumably (and realistically) not qualified to comment on, being the recipient of it.
- Walt Crawford
cecily: Those last two sentences are as absolutely true as statements get. I don't argue that at all. And I'm saying it's wrong on all sides.
- Walt Crawford
I think 'White' says at least as much about ethnicity as 'Asian' does: ie that's a frickin' huge group with a huge number of subdivisions in it! and yet it does narrow things down a lot. I've visited/lived with other White people in... oh, four continents, and had my share of culture shock moments because of course they're all different; but at the same time there are a lot of things shared (in an fuzzy overlappy kind of way) among them all which aren't shared among 'Asians'.
- Deborah Fitchett
So it would be silly of me to say "You do X" or "You don't do Y" but I can make guesses that "Even if you don't celebrate Thanksgiving, you know what it's about and don't expect most shops to be open" or "Even if you bow to your parents on special occasions, you're aware that it's not the norm in your country" or "When you're born you're zero years old and you get a year older on your birthday" or "You still consider people 'friends' even if they're older or younger than you".
- Deborah Fitchett
(Actually "Thanksgiving" is too US-specific - "Christmas" would be a better one and then all these things are things I'd assume of any white person in the world. I might very occasionally turn out to be wrong... but I don't yet know anyone about whom any of those is untrue.)
- Deborah Fitchett
I think J. and RudĩϐЯaЯïan are on to something; it's assimilation of minorities and falling into a caste system. That's how Italians, Jews, and even now Asians have become "white".
- Fulaan, inna Hebel
I'm thinking of Steve's comment upthread about talking about race to his children. I think conversations like that are almost unavoidable for non-white parents and their non-white children. I remember having the talk with my mom at around age 5 when a white family briefly moved into our neighborhood and the other kids wouldn't play with Bobby, and made fun of me because I did.
- cecily
from iPhone
to follow up with fulaan's comment, what's interesting to me is to look at the evolution of race categories on the U.S. census. until the 1930 census, "mulatto" was a racial category. many current-day "hispanics" were classified as "white" -- regardless of whether they were of european descent -- until the census added "hispanic" as a category. it seems like the criteria for "white" in...
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- tiffany
See this piece for more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh...
- tiffany
What a great discussion! An interesting related book is 'How the Irish Became White': http://www.amazon.com/exec...
- Michael R. Bernstein
Difficult situation: I got an email from someone who was a friend once, but for various reasons too numerous to mention, we are not friends now (and probably never will be). In her email, she expressed condolences over the death of a mutual acquaintance, a death that, while sad, I'm not mourning and wasn't particularly affected by.
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Should I even acknowledge her email? I don't want to give the impression that I'm interested in corresponding with her.
- cecily
No
- Andrizzle Gizzle
I'd say no too.
- Katie: Whelmed Overly
No. There's a reason you kicked her to the curb. She needs to stay there.
- Helen Sventitsky
no.
- tiffany
Absolutely not.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I would not...
- SAM
Well, having been kicked to the curb recently myself, I understand better now how it feels. And in the interest of trying to be more forgiving and accepting of people, I've been thinking about a lot of past relationships and whether it is worth it for me to try to at least make some sort of overture. It's something I struggle with: whether I should do the right thing or whether I should just let dead things stay dead.
- cecily
Does it sound like she is mourning/affected? If so, respond kindly. Love your enemies. The world needs it.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Huh. I'm interested by the responses. I would respond--after all, she's the one who made the real overture, and responding is, to my mind, a basic kindness and civility.
- laura x
I really like the last 3 responses... including your further exposition on the matter. I revise my suggestion... (and personally, thinking harder on it, I can't let any correspondence go dead willingly, just not in me)...
- SAM
It might depend on the circumstances surrounding why the friendship was terminated in the first place and the relationship she had with this mutual acquaintance. I don't think that something simple like "Thank you for your kind words and concern" would be inappropriate or suggestive that you'd like to resume a correspondence with her. It'd be polite to respond to this email and then if she contacts you again, I'd say it would be fine to ignore future attempts.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Yeah, I'm thinking along the same lines as Sarah June. A polite response to this one would probably be the high road.
- Jàson Puçkett
ditto here
- VAL D.
I wrote back, thanked her for her concern, and left it at that. And having done that, I actually feel better. Thanks for helping me suss this one out, people.
- cecily
Good form, Cecily. :)
- SAM
Thanks, Sam.
- cecily
Well done. I hope I would have done the same.
- s t e v e
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I look at my delicious bookmarks all the time. If I'm doing a presentation or something, I always check to see what I've already saved there. If I don't bookmark stuff, I totally lose track of it. A Godsend, I tell you!
- marthalib
I do kinda of the same as you Laura, but I always do find it helpful when I need something and vaguely remember finding it before. I actually tend to keep my most used ones on the computer itself
- Sir Shuping
I'm looking through years worth of sites I've bookmarked for interesting things to include in my next web browser screencast. It's particularly humorous to see when I've bookmarked the same thing twice.
- laura x
I stop using delicious for awhile because I realize that is what is happening
- JSNFLMNG
you can have my left arm before you can take my delicious account away from me!!!!!!! *glares*
- marthalib
How del.icio.us works for me: I bookmark all kinds of useful shit and then use approximately 0.01% of it ever again. However, that 0.01% is CRITICAL.
- Catherine Pellegrino
mine is mostly my recipe collection mechanism now
- holly
I definitely used it more while still in lib school, but like Holly it's become more and more a recipe book. In general, I use it less, but for things I'm more likely to go back to. Also, it's handy for creating a holiday wishlist.
- Kirsten
Yep. I saw someone call it "write often, read seldom." I did just use it yesterday to find long-lost links, and I always curse myself when I can't find something I remember and didn't delicious.
- s t e v e
my primary uses of it are: collecting "further resources" for classes i'm teaching, collecting recipes, and collecting knitting/craft patterns/ideas. i don't go back to it often, but it's kind of a trigger in my mind of "wait, i think i saved something like that to delicious!"
- Katie
I use it as a "did I ever save something on that" later...but generally it's a black hole
- Abigail
I just started using it for real. I've slowly been adding the work bookmarks I use all the time. Now I'm looking at the ones I use once in a while. Then come the ones I have bookmarked but haven't used in forever.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
I also add folks to my network and periodically look to see what they have bookmarked. Very handy.
- marthalib
like martha I have collected a couple feeds from other Librarians that I scan through Google Reader. SO if you are thinking about stopping for yourself, maybe you should keep doing it for me ;)
- JSNFLMNG
Laura, you should plug your delicious account feed in here to FriendFeed. You can mark things as private in delicious if you don't want them to pop up here. It's great to see what other folks have discovered on the web and thought worthy of bookmarking.
- Stephen Francoeur
Google Chrome extension for delicious: http://code.google.com/p...
- JSNFLMNG
i use the firefox extension. honestly, if there wasn't a plug-in, i probably wouldn't use it as much. oh, and i'm kmdunneback on delicious. i apparently also have "katie" but i'd forgotten that i had it, so i don't use it. kind of stumbled back across it a month or so ago.
- Katie
it works for me pretty well, especially for critical stuff like bookmarks to my banking/credit card sites, to my work intranets, etc. Nice to be able to get to that stuff when traveling or using a different computer that doesn't have the URL cached. The key is to tag stuff (but all you liberryians know that). For work I use it to build a collection: http://delicious.com/service...
- Laura Norvig
Mine is pretty context/time sensitive. If I'm working on a project, I collect links and put them there, but I never go back to weed them after the project is done.
- cecily
I use my Diigo account all the time for work and personal interest stuff. I also have a few Diigo groups where a group shares resources (e.g., http://groups.diigo.com/group...), which I find handier than the delicious network thing. I also use the Diigo lists as handout substitutes for presentations on tools (http://www.diigo.com/list...) Btw: if, like me,...
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- Dana Longley
Sometimes, I will create a reading list for a group or taskforce, and send it to people in a single URL, such as http://delicious.com/jokraus... or http://delicious.com/jokraus.... Pretty easy way to put together a bibliography.
- joe is...
I try to use it as a collection mechanism for the Library Leadership Network and instead of printing out lead sheets for stuff I plan to use in Cites & Insights. For LLN, it works fine (typically 20-30 items, and I delete them once they're used). For C&I...well, I have over 700, which is a LOT more than I can cope with any time soon...
- Walt Crawford
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Is there some sort of index for all of the available resources that librarian use in order to do their jobs? I know...uh, Lexis/Nexis and um...Webster's Dictionary.
- Derrick
You'll find out about some of it during your MLS, but most of it you pick up on the job or otherwise find out from others and create your own index.
- Sarah G.
No Derrick. You'll learn many of the standard ones in library school, but other than that, you learn on the job. So I know the things that my library offers, but other than that... no much of a clue.
- lris
Also, this is Steve making the rest of us look bad. ;-)
- lris
In the UK CILIP (ALA equiv) produce Walford's Guide and an A-Z of useful ref desk sources
- Pete, Enabling Force
Yep (as in "yep, we mostly know just what our institutions have, plus a few big things by reputation"). If you are a real go-getter you can probably google most stuff to at least find out what it is, if not actually see it first hand.
- s t e v e
And my normal rule is no same-day classes, but this is just a quick RefWorks demo/brush-up and I need the stats.
- s t e v e
Much to learn, there is.
- Derrick
Ah, so they meant, "20 mins from now, can you come talk to my class about RefWorks," not "can you come spend 20 mins in my class talking about RefWorks at some later date." Impressive.
- Catherine Pellegrino
But really what you need to know depends on the job :) As a public librarian that could be *anything* but a working knowledge of government and not-for-profit info sources, genealogy sites and home improvement info should see you through ;)
- Pete, Enabling Force
Yeah, but you apparently got the karaoke part down, so you got that going for you, which is nice.
- Sarah G.
Also, that *perking your ears up* thing is really handy, too. ;)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Steve- I have a similar rule, but if I am free then I do it.
- Pete, Enabling Force
Derrick, that's why there's a degree. (Though really, it took me a few years in this job to feel competent, since there's so much to learn on the job.)
- lris
Also, Derrick- this is what the LSW is for- amongst other things- ask here and someone is likely to know :)
- Pete, Enabling Force
I've got that same day rule too. Mostly because I try to make sure each session is specific to the class and what the students are working on. I can't plan that in 10 minutes. But for something like that, I'd probably do what you did. I'm trying to help train our faculty here to plan ahead. It's not something they've really had to do before, but it's so much better if they do and I think they're seeing the end result is more effective that a slap-and-dash job.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
And Derrick, there's so much variation in what we do that nobody's indexes would be the same, and some wouldn't even resemble each other. At least in my experience in big academic libraries, we tend to specialize *a lot*. Which is one of the things I love about it.
- Jàson Puçkett
Yay! Thanks, all. I really appreciate all of this. I need to start volunteering. I'll call that lady today.
- Derrick
It is also very helpful to know where the restrooms are.
- laura x
A lot of working as a librarian is improvisational, and most of us could do a quick talk like that about something we know well.
- DJF
Exactly!
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Being a librarian is a bit like being a civil servant (UK)- you have a portfolio, you develop intense knowledge of it- and then you move to another portfolio and start again ;)
- Pete, Enabling Force
Ha, I like that a lot, Pete. Sums up my last few years and projected next few years nicely.
- Jàson Puçkett
Even if I know it, I can't do same-day stuff. I have to spend time talking my introvert down off the cliff she wants to jump from.
- cecily
My introvert does better with less time to worry, Cecily. But she gets through it even with time to prep and then gets jazzed from it. :)
- ÉllbeeÇee
I cover RefWorks in pretty well every IL class I do. There's nothing like the moment at the end when I get a student to time me with a stop watch while I generate the bibliography in Word. "So, how long did that take?" "12 seconds." "So, you're in bed at 3:00:12am instead of 3:30."
- John Dupuis
I'm stealing that, John.
- Jàson Puçkett
Hunh, I always cover RefWorks just on its own because it always seems like it takes too long to cover to put it in with other things.
- s t e v e
What I do when I start is introduce it very briefly, then at a couple of points during the demo I mention casually, "oh, remember refworks? this is how we get books/articles/whatever into it so we can remember them later" The end part in word only takes a few minutes. I also like to have a "big finish" in the probably mistaken belief that anything that leaves any sort of library/librarian impression has got to be a good thing.
- John Dupuis
Smart. I'm gonna have to think about that.
- s t e v e
Initially, I only covered refworks in a session if the prof requested. Over time, I got a bit more used to integrating it into the rest of the session. It did take me a while to get comfortable replacing 5-8 minutes of other stuff with RW.
- John Dupuis
Reminds me of the talk I did on FF plugins for staff at my library. I got girlish snickers from the Assistant Director and my boss when I pasted a bibliography into Word using Zotero, got "wows" from the crowd, and I said how rewarding it is to make mothers go "Wow!"
- Eric Sizemore
RefWorks gets a plug in every session I do - 1. we spend money on it, 2. it's really handy, 3. it's really easy, & 4. the "ooooh" factor... I don't time the Bibliography, I just do it & ask if anyone could do it faster with less work :)
- Aaron the Librarian
The STELLA Unconference is starting to come together. http://denver-stella.pbworks.com/ Without the LSW, this would never happen on 1/8-9/10
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Look at all the people you have attending! Awesome.
- marthalib
i wish i could go!!!!!! stupid work.
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
well frickin' done!
- jambina
Joe, that's so freaking great!!! I remember when this was just a wisp of an idea. I'm proud of the LSW and proud of you.
- laura x
That's so great! Congrats!
- Sarah G.
Congrats :) Wish I could go :(
- MegvMeg
I wish I was still a science librarian!!
- Laura H.
rad, i wish i was a science librarian now.
- tara
I'll have to make sure I'm there next year :)
- kristin buxton
Awesome, Joe, and great logo!
- s t e v e
Thanks Steve, you helped me find the logo (if I remember correctly)... I found some others, but this one was gooder.
- joe is...
Minimal Yet Beautiful Wallpapers for your Desktop - http://www.labnol.org/interne...
Am I the only person that changed their desktops about every 3 weeks or so?
- Sarah G.
No, but I've been rotating baby pictures, because I am a total sap.
- Chris Z.
Chris- I do the same. Every time David is here I get a new photo of him and Helen and that becomes the wallpaper :)
- Pete, Enabling Force
I judge people on their desktop wallpapers. Still have a standard windows one? LOSER.
- Sarah G.
I change mine based on seasons. or a whim. whatever :)
- ~Courtney F.
Wow, Sarah, glad you can't see my computer...
- Walt Crawford
I change mine occasionally. Usually it's a landscape photo, although at the moment my work computer is a picture of an exhibit I went to at MoMA when I was in NYC.
- laura x
Oh Friday, you always come back!... after making me wait like forever... you tease.
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Happy Friday, Bee Dub!
- Laura Lou Who
Oh, but she's so worth the wait!
- Anna Haro
Yes... but I'm wondering if I'm enabling her...
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
we are all enablers of the Lady Friday, she temps us with her siren like ways
- Sir Shuping
LOL...why is it we always want the crazy ones?
- Anna Haro
We think we can reform them?
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
I do hate that about Friday. At least Friday is a regular tease.
- laura x
I knew from the fake-looking snow that it would be cold out, but I wasn't expecting 14 degrees (F) with a windchill of 2 degrees.
Laura Lou Who liked this
egads!
- aden
sounds like a good day to stay in and curl up with pippin
- Sir Shuping
Yuck! It's only 15 degrees here (with no windchill, apparently), with no snow.
- josh neff, geek at large
*nodnod* about 18 here, plus a pretty stiff breeze.
- D0r0th34
Yeah, I guess I should be surprised that this kind of cold hasn't arrived here before December, this being the frozen north and all, but it's still too cold for my tastes.
- lris
you do have a new hat, at least
- marthalib
-3F with (I assume) no wind chill.
- s t e v e
-3F here, too, although it was colder when I got up.
- laura x
I know! It's like 40 degrees here! I even wore a hat! I'm dying!
- Jàson Puçkett
Has anyone been able to embed a Jing based video (.swf file) into a LibGuide, or some other blog or website that allows for video embeds? I know I could probably take a screenshot, and create a link from the image, but that would be an extra hoop to jump through.
I'll take this as a no?
- joe is...
Joe- no. But it looks interesting so I may try it with our guides and report back.
- Pete, Enabling Force
That's the only way I've done it, Joe.
- Jàson Puçkett
I would think you need to host the file somewhere (screencast.com or YouTube?) first and then generate/grab a widget code from that to embed in LibGuides.
- Dana Longley
It is at screencast. Here is an example http://www.screencast.com/users... How do I embed this?
- joe is...
I have never figured it out.
- laura x
I made you a screencast that shows how to do it: http://screencast.com/t... (Update: I tried it and it works.)
- s t e v e
Dude, you are so awesome.
- joe is...
So give that a try dude, indeed!
- MegvMeg
Does anyone have a cook book that they'd recommend? (Writing up my Christmas wish list for family)
Penguin It's Cold Outside and Alex Scoble liked this
The Gourmet book is really good. http://www.amazon.com/Gourmet...
- Derrick
I have that Gourmet book. It's EPIC.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
"How to Cook Everything" by Mark Bittman is good, too. Actually, all of his stuff is good.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
I love the Pioneer Woman cookbook . http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer...
- Michelle Martinez
Kitchen of Light. It's Scandinavian. http://www.amazon.com/Kitchen...
- Chris Z.
I just added "Please To The Table" to my amazon wish list. It's a Russian food cookbook.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
General or some particular type? I like The Bread Baker's Apprentice by Peter Reinhart for breads. Not Your Mother's Slow Cooker Cookbook by Hensperger and Hartman is nice. I like the King Arthur Flour baking cookbooks (there are several). The Secrets of Jesuit Soup Making by Rick Curry has some good recipes in it, too.
- Katy S
I have the classics. I generally cook americana, with a splash of german and southern touches. So anything that can spark me out of that rut is good.
- Sarah G.
I've gotten a lot of pleasure from the Moosewood New Classics.
- laura x
Rick Bayless's books are suppose to be good and fairly accessible.
- Katy S
Depends on what you like, but my favorite is The American Wholefoods Cusine - http://www.amazon.com/America... The editorial reviews on Amazon give a good overview.
- Rochelle
I also want to pick up "The Encyclopedia of Cajun and Creole Cuisine" by John Folse. I loved his show.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
What Katy S said, "Not Your Mother's Slow Cooker Cookbook" http://www.amazon.ca/Your-Mo...
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Donna Hay's Off The Shelf - Moosewood - NIck Stellino's Mediterranean Flavours
- jambina
The Joy of Cooking is my reference classic. It's almost always on my kitchen counter, open to something I needed to look up.
- Jenica
You know how much I hate my health insurance company? $553.89. That's how much. Oh, plus another $690 or so that I'm going to owe them soon.
Josh Haley, John (a.k.a. dendroica), Joe Silence is not dead and 2 other people liked this
Poor coverage or high premiums? Or, more likely, both?
- Rochelle Rochelle
Mine is proving itself to be pretty worthless, too.
- s t e v e
Ack!
- lris
The $553.89 is what I just paid for lab work, because apparently they only cover lab work if it is done in the doctor's own lab, so if your doctor doesn't have a lab, your screwed. They also don't cover outpatient mental health treatment. I actually had better health insurance as a grad instructor at Iowa than I do now.
- laura x
That sucks. There are so many loopholes and switchbacks with payment. What's the point of even having insurance?
- Derrick
*sits quietly up in Canada*
- DJF
I got the discount because the lab was at least in my preferred provider network?
- laura x
that is insane.
- marthalib
Yeah. I paid $1200 to the periodontist yesterday, even though I have dental insurance. Thank Og I hadn't spent out my FSA and I'll get $1150 of that back, but still.
- ÉllbeeÇee
That is terrible coverage. I'm sorry. :(
- Laura H.
I hate that my dental insurance covers dependent's braces but not adult. It's not my fault my parents couldn't afford braces when was a kid. :(
- Kårín Dalzĭel
Mine actually will cover adult orthodontics, karin, and a good portion of it. Periodontic coverage sucks on mine though - some will be covered by insurance, but not much.
- ÉllbeeÇee
I had some outpatient surgery recently. Before I went in, my insurance approved the whole thing and indicated it would be covered. Now I get a statement from them indicating that I may owe around $800 that they aren't covering. Hopefully, that won't be the case. If not, then the hospital damn well better take installments, 'cause I don't have that much cash lying around.
- ǎňňǎ
Ugh! :(
- Laura Lou Who
Probably would be cheaper to pay cash only to the docs.
- CW™
Derrick, it seems the only point of having insurance is to be covered if you're hit by a bus or if you have a fatal illness. And even then they'll take you to the cleaners. When your kid is born, start not a college account, but a health expenses acct. It seems like it would be better to just pay cash for most things. At least that way you're completely free to choose the providers you want, the treatments you want, etc. Laura, I'm sorry they're putting the screws to you.
- Spidra Webster
The point of having insurance is that if I ever don't have it, I'll never be able to have it again? I can manage the price, though it's a pain--but it makes me think of all the people who can't.
- laura x
we are FINALLY paying off the last of an ER visit for our youngest in July. deductibles are awful things. :(
- Joe Silence is not dead
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