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Cuteness Showdown! Ladybug Vs. Steve Lawson Vs. Derrick! Who wins? It's a draw! (Ha Ha.) - http://kamilah.posterous.com/cutenes...
rowlikeagirl, Ayşe E., Ladybug Heather and 42 other people liked this
Awesome! A Librarian and a Librarian-Lover!
- Katy S
Ladybug!
- Mo Kargas
Steve looks like Eminem, and I look...constipated. LOL. An awesome job as usual, Kamilah! <3
- Derrick
awesome!
- holly
Sorry, Derrick, I was squinting. :P The light was a bit dim on your pic.
- Kamilah Gill
ROFL.
- Derrick
This is awesome. I feel like I have really made it. Also, I am the real Slim Shady.
- Steve is older than ever
(Any resemblance to a certain Mr. S. Shady is purely coincidental.)
- Kamilah Gill
If you draw me again, remember that my head is now much bigger after this immortalization.
- Steve is older than ever
lol
- Kamilah Gill
oh my gosh! I just commented on da Sweater* remindz me of Meryn Cadell*
- Billy Warhol
Love it!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
There's no way I'm cuter than Derrick. :-D
- Ladybug Heather
+++++++++
- rowlikeagirl
Shanon got me a hat for my birthday!
josh neff, Fun Dip of FF, Nathalie, Dreamer of FF, Ha3rvey (Free hugs!) and 22 other people liked this
Suave.
- Stephen Francoeur
Rico suave, even!
- Rochelle Rochelle
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you look a little older in that hat.....
- Joe....
You need a trench coat.
- cecily
You're going to need a whip. And a passion for archeology.
- lris
NICE HAT. I approve.
- Jason Huebel
I was thinking the same thing Iris
- Mitch
No time for love, Dr. Lawson!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Excellent hat. I am suitably jealous.
- Ha3rvey (Free hugs!)
*glares at wife*
- Ha3rvey (Free hugs!)
I see newspaper reporter...ala Mr. Clark Kent
- Sir Shuping
The New LSW Vimeo Account on Vimeo - http://vimeo.com/7476513
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Deborah Fitchett, cecily, Kirsten and 9 other people liked this
Upload your librarish videos to our Vimeo account. Login vimeo@shoversandmakers.net/notala
- Steve is older than ever
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And after dissing YouTube, Vimeo isn't making a thumbnail image. My playback was choppy, but that could be my connection.
- Steve is older than ever
I often have this issue with Vimeo
- marthalib
It came up after another short wait.
- Steve is older than ever
Oh, and when Josh is back from gallivanting around with Royce and Mary Carmen and all, we can ask him to add the Vimeo feed to this room.
- Steve is older than ever
I just heard Steve talking!
- JSNFLMNG
I couldn't stop staring at my own nostrils.
- Steve is older than ever
they are lovely nostrils indeed
- marthalib
Neat idea, Steve. :) I love Vimeo's interface, but I have that same problem with thumbnails and I wish Vimeo did mobile as well as YouTube does. I'm on Vimeo at http://vimeo.com/davidlrothman (mostly home video of Simon). :)
- David Rothman (☤)
Chez Mondrian, Paris (Getty Museum) #artgallery - http://www.getty.edu/art...
I'd like to see some art today. Please post something with the #artgallery hash tag or drop a link in the comments to this post. If you have a moment to say why that particular work speaks to you, that would be even better.
- Steve is older than ever
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This is Andre Kertesz's "Chez Mondrian," and it brings together one of my favorite photographers and one of my favorite painters. I love the play between the artificial and the organic, light and shade, straight lines and curves.
- Steve is older than ever
http://ff.im/1cx9U Re: Picasso's Guernica - "I hadn't even heard of this painting until I went to art school, and when I found out the story behind it, I was moved in a way that I hadn't been since I read Toni Morrison's Beloved. It really connected life and art for me in a way that I hadn't thought about before."
- Derrick
Guernica and Chez Mondrian were created within 11 years of each other in Europe and both use a limited palette. Other than that, they could hardly be more different. Which is wonderful.
- Steve is older than ever
The second painting on this page lives at my college, and my housemates and I had a print of it in our apartment my last couple of years, so my attachment to it is largely sentimental, but I've also always loved the effect of light filtered through leaves, which is so hard to capture, and this painting adds another dimension to that by having the leaves represented mostly as shadows. Sorry the image is so tiny! http://fllac.vassar.edu/collect...
- laura x
Laura, I love that.
- Steve is older than ever
I'm a fan of photography, and this photo of the Holland House Library is a favourite of mine. I've got a print of it hanging in my office: http://www.englishheritageimages.com/low...
- DJF
WOW! I'm totally co-opting that for Librarian Bomb stationery.
- Steve is older than ever
You've never seen that before? It appears in Alberto Manguel's History of Reading, which is a wonderful book.
- DJF
http://www.sculpturegallery.com/sculptu... Someday I will remember to buy myself a reproduction while I actually have money to spend on such. :)
- D0r0th34
Sad. . . the site DJF linked to is timing out for me.
- laura x
laura, just google [holland house library] and look at the images. It's a photo from 1940.
- DJF
Oh, wow.
- laura x
DJF, I probably had seen it (I own the Manguel book but haven't read it. Ahem.) but had forgotten about it.
- Steve is older than ever
I highly recommend that book. It's very readable, and well illustrated. I particularly like the section on "gendered" reading: girls can read the pink books or the blue books, but boys better not be caught reading a pink book.
- DJF
http://www.junekellygallery.com/eccles... -- Alvin Ailey Dance as captured by Andrew Eccles. Stunning.
- Jennifer McDaniel
Jennifer, I'd like to see this one full-size: http://www.artnet.com/artwork... There is something so compelling about dancers, even in simple and relaxed positions.
- Steve is older than ever
The light on that backdrop with the solitary dancer is nice. Great composition.
- Derrick
@Steve @Derrick Yeah. Now paintings inspired by Alvin Ailey: http://www.blumenfeldart.com/dance.... Saw them in DC a few months ago and I guess that, for me, is what makes the paintings and the photographs so compelling, i.e. I can just imagine the leap or spin they're about to do.
- Jennifer McDaniel
Kara Walker's exhibit at the Whitney: http://ff.im/b2z7v
- Derrick
Jennifer, that's awesome. I too can feel the tension and weight in their movements.
- Derrick
Wow! Now that looks like some powerful stuff, Derrick. I would have loved to see that in person (just noticed the date).
- Jennifer McDaniel
Jennifer, one of the things that's cool about that painting is the way it celebrates the chorographer's art and the dancer's art--both of which tend to be too ephemeral--in visual art.
- Steve is older than ever
Steve, that's a perfect way of putting it. And that's definitely what I'm responding to when I look at the painting. Good idea for a thread -- I've seen some lovely works today thanks to you.
- Jennifer McDaniel
Nature, one of the oldest and most reputable scientific journals, 1st published today. Not big in Australasia. #happybirthdaystevelawson
Catherine Pellegrino, Kirsten, lris and 4 other people liked this
Dear Maine voters: my prescription for homophobia is smoking lots of medical marijuana. Chill out & think about equality.
Galadriel C., tab thinks you're awesome, laura x and 6 other people liked this
Thank you, Iris, for the lovely drawing of my boys.
John Dupuis, cecily, MegvMeg and 14 other people liked this
You're very welcome. Happy birthday. (And if your boys wonder why they look like that, tell them it's because they're the first things I'd drawn in 10 years.)
- lris
Beautiful. Love!
- Judy Lawson
Since all of you Lauras are all so freaking awesome, it makes me like my name more than I ever have. Proud to be a LauraBrarian!!
Tyson Key, The Bohemian Penguin, pea ♥ fierce as a woozle and 9 other people liked this
*high five*
- Laura B needin' waders
*bump*
- Laura B needin' waders
*elbow bump* (it's my wife's name, so I'm in the club)
- Micah Wittman
*fist bump* LauraCon was sparsely attended but nevertheless awesome this year at #IL2009 Also met Lori Reed. What do you think, Ladies? Are Lauries and Loris LauraBrarians?
- Laura Norvig
As long as I don't get called Laurie/Lori, Lauren, or Laurel, I am down with having them on board.
- laura x
it was good to meet another of the Laurabrarians! Botts, you are just about the only one left ;)
- holly
laura x, my Laura could not. agree. with. you. more (re Laurie/Lori, Lauren, Laurel and other imitations ;)
- Micah Wittman
Feel free to include all the others! Yes, I'm going to have to get to one of these meetings at some point.
- Laura B needin' waders
Well, we didn't really have a meeting. I introduced myself to ellbeecee and Laura Harris and that was the extent of LauraCon. Still, it was awesome.
- Laura Norvig
Yay for Lauras! I get called Laurie or Lauren by patients all the time. >.<
- The Bohemian Penguin
That makes no sense. Penguin sounds nothing like Laurie or Lauren. :-)
- Bruce Lewis
Wow, are you one of us, Penguin? I've never known you by any other name!
- Laura Norvig
Yep! I started going by Penguin online a while back... I feel so ashamed sometimes for hiding my Laura-ness! ;)
- The Bohemian Penguin
Names are weird. I don't know that I've ever truly owned mine. I don't love it and I don't hate it. I'm very indifferent towards it, really. Do you think there are people who love their own names?
- Laura Norvig
I love my last name, and I like the way my full name scans.
- laura x
I like your last name too! Your name could easily be a character in a novel.
- Laura Norvig
I'm not sure I knew you were a Laura, Penguin! Yay!
- Laura B needin' waders
RT @bsandlin: Got unofficial word that my full year sabbatical was approved, contingent upon me actually getting tenure, of course. Yay me!
laura x, Jen not Jenny, lris and 5 other people liked this
"The web of our life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together: our virtues would be proud, if our faults whipped them not; and our crimes would despair, if they were not cherished by our virtues."
Etiquette lesson of the day: don't tell someone about a party you're having if you're not planning to invite that person.
Anika, Laura B needin' waders, Baroness Von Cut-A-Bitch and 8 other people liked this
YOU'RE HAVING A PARTY AND YOU DIDN"T INVITE ME?!!! *BLOCKED!!!*
- Alex Scoble
Now *that's* an invitation!
- Steve is older than ever
#oohcecilyimmatellll *covers eyes*
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Cecily is such a demure coquettish little thing. :)
- Spidra Webster
Emphasis on the "post," yeah, we know.
- Steve is older than ever
That's exactly what I was talking about, Steve. I don't know why some folks are so shocked.
- cecily
*faints*
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Yeah, my mouth is not that dirty.
- cecily
Woops... just trying to emphasize the "lady like-ness"
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Adele is pretty in your face and nobody I'd want my mom to know I listened to. But she usually hit it on the head.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Post deleted for decorum's sake
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
No worries, Barry.
- cecily
Yeah I love that! It's even better when they text and send you pictures about what an awesome time they are having at said event that you were not invited to.
- suzanne
Found out that Mr. 7 sometimes has to be spoken to in school for cracking jokes at inappropriate times. I'm shocked.
Bobbi Newman, Michael Porter, David Rothman (☤) and 12 other people liked this
where on earth would he learn a thing like that?
- D0r0th34
I blame television.
- Steve is older than ever
It takes a while getting used to the fact that your kids can be very different people when you're not around. It only gets worse as they get older. Equally shocking is the realization that sometimes the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
- John Dupuis
I wonder where he learned that?
- Mary Carmen
Mr. 7's father's 8th (?) grade English teacher: "Class, I'm growing annoyed." Mr. 7's father: "You're growing a WHAT?" The important question about Mr. 7's jokes is, are they funny?
- Judy Lawson
I remember a teacher chiding me for cracking jokes to my friends in class. "Keep them to yourself!" Me: "But if I keep them to myself, they're not funny!"
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Liking this for Lawson's mom participation.
- Sarah G.
Once in school, at a teacher-parent conference, the teacher said I was "loquacious". I snortled. My mom looked at me and asked what was up. And with an eyeroll, I go, "Loquacious? Please...I'm BLACK."
- Derrick
Okay, yay for Mom popping up in this thread. And Derrick? x.X
- Anika
Mama Lawson gets a fist bump. And yeah, Anika. What did I know? I was like...8.
- Derrick
this whole thread is *shocking*
- holly
ITS FRIDAY!! YAY FRIDAY!!
laura x, Lindsey is Fierce!, holly and 6 other people liked this
And I have sunglasses on my head.
- tab thinks you're awesome
Love you, Tab!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Hi!
- cecily
Aw! Love you too Josh!
- tab thinks you're awesome
Fabulousness. Put your sunglasses on, I want to see!
- Miriella
speaker reception on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS, Laura B needin' waders, ♫Geek in the 410♫ and 8 other people liked this
The more photos I see, the more I'm sure that IL2009 was an elaborate pretext for a Meg/Kendra buddy movie. Jason is a great guest star in this scene.
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DEAR HOLLYWOOD, I DEMAND A MEG/KENDRA BUDDY MOVIE. Love, Sarah G.
- Sarah G.
Steve is onto something here.
- holly
If I ever go to IL, I will have to be a speaker, because otherwise I would be very lonely while the speakers' reception was going on.
- DJF
I crashed the Speaker's Reception at CiL because that's where all my buds were.
- Rochelle Rochelle
I think that's the new project for DLK and porter right? the meg/kendra film?
- Sir Shuping
dude, I totally crashed the speaker's reception and not one person blinked an eye.
- holly
Holly was my Special Friend at the reception and the little thinger said that Special Friends were invited!
- Laura H.
An homage to the SirsiDynix on Open Source graph.
Rachel Walden, Laura B needin' waders, Kirsten and 9 other people liked this
See the doc posted here: http://ff.im/aIJNr page 4
- Steve is older than ever
I should note that this illustrates concepts, not actual numbers.</wackytalk>
- Steve is older than ever
I love you, Steve.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
like is an understatement, love this.
- Tara Robertson
Cliff Lynch supports me in unspecified documents.
- Steve is older than ever
and, who is the Asian woman in the footer? wtf?
- Tara Robertson
Hush, y'all. Don't you know we're not supposed to question our profession's attempts at tokenization...er... diversity?
- cecily
I find the entire design hysterical. Not just the ubiquitous, random Asian woman, but the whole official report template they use, which is obviously intended to make this screed appear more credible, official and objective. Pish posh, we are not so easily fooled.
- marthalib
yeah, trying to pull an Australasian Journal of ILS Studies on *librarians* is kinda goofy.
- D0r0th34
Jean-Michel Basquiat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
Melissa, Emma, edythe and 9 other people liked this
"Jean-Michel Basquiat (December 22, 1960 – August 12, 1988) was an American artist and the first African-American painter to become an international art star. He gained popularity first as a graffiti artist in New York City, and then as a successful 1980s-era Neo-expressionist artist. Basquiat's paintings continue to influence modern-day artists and sell for high prices."
- Derrick
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Ahead of his time. NYC will forever feel his presence.
- sean808080
LOVE.
- Ayşe E.
Yet another one at age 27 :(
- Christopher Harley
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I was soooo obsessed with Basquiat for awhile. Amazing.
- Jason
If you like 'what does it all mean' overload in your art, SF crazyman William T Wiley exhibit in D.C. will have your brain playing pinball http://americanart.si.edu/exhibit...
- Lane Rapp
Kendra Levine - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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laura x, Kirsten, Chris Z. and josh neff, Fun Dip of FF liked this
Infinitely bad-ass.
- Chris Z.
And looks great!
- ♫Geek in the 410♫
Meg and Kendra (photo by Bobbi) - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
krista godfrey, jambina, ~Courtney F. and 6 other people liked this
Love this. *WAVES*
- Steve is older than ever
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MEG FACE!
- Mary Carmen
A friend passed along a link to this blog posting about "structurelessness" in organizations, and I realized a little while later that, while it was originally about feminism and women in open source, it's also applicable to the LSW's own brand of anarchy. http://eaves.ca/2009...
Aaron the Librarian, Tara Robertson, suelibrarian and 7 other people liked this
Very nice. IMO one of the things that helps LSW is that "welcoming others" is a central desideratum, one of the things that confers such "power" as LSW can confer.
- D0r0th34
But the discussion of "elites" and what an "elite" is are still relevant, I think.
- DJF
Absolutely.
- D0r0th34
Yes. I think author is write in suggesting that that sort of an elite is inevitable. I'd like to think that we are a fairly welcoming elite, and an elite that values criticism, and an elite that encourages behavior that is helpful, but I don't doubt that the elite exists.
- laura x
Fascinating post that I have read quickly. I need to go back and read the linked articles. Josh tries to address some of this in his zine article, where he basically says "if you want to change the LSW, just participate or start your own splinter group." (i.e. "fork"). What is the LSW structure? What are our rules? There's Josh, who started the thing. There's me who has done a handful...
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- Steve is older than ever
well, the question lurking under the surface is often "who are we excluding by our practices? who's walking away from us? whose voices are we not hearing? are we okay with that?" can be a tricky question to answer because people don't usually explain why they're walking away -- they just WALK. and unheard voices are, y'know, unheard.
- D0r0th34
there's also the question of co-optation. Could the LSW be forked in a way we'd hate? Can we prevent that?
- D0r0th34
Steve, There's nothing wrong with a hierarchy or relative authority based on length or amount of participation. What the article is arguing is that it's better to recognize that this happens, so that newcomers aren't floundering wondering what's going on. By saying "Yes, I've been here the longest, and have done a bunch of things," you acknowledge that others might see you as a "leader" of this "leaderless" group.
- DJF
And...heh. You edited just as I was about to ask if you had a good idea of how to tell. I know some people have felt alienated by personality issues, language, the not-very-professional parts of our not-all-that-professional group.
- Steve is older than ever
Yes. And there's also a self-selection bias in that we're an almost-exclusively-online group.
- D0r0th34
Right, DJF, I'll cop to that. I think Josh and I both try to acknowledge that, but also say "PLEASE come up with LSW stuff on your own," and many people have--making ribbons for conferences, starting LSW presences on other social networks and so on.
- Steve is older than ever
Personally, I'm completely cool with people feeling excluded from the LSW because of personality issues, language or not liking our not-very-professional attitudes. The fact that pretty much all LSW stuff happens online, thereby excluding a lot of people who don't spend a lot of time online, does kind of bother me, although I'm at kind of a loss as to how to remedy that.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
As for forking, it would be fascinating and awful and hilarious if someone tried to fork it in a way that "we" would hate. Paris Dada vs. Zurich Dada! You are no longer a Surrealist according to this manifesto I just wrote!
- Steve is older than ever
I think, though, that there's a perception of cool that is intimidating to people (I suspect). I think the LSW is far more welcoming than, say, a high school clique, but if part of your goal in joining is to be liked and welcomed, you'll want to do things that the group thinks are cool, and people have a lot of anxiety about that.
- laura x
I totally agree, Laura. Do you think we do an OK job of lowering that bar? Or is there something else we could do?
- Steve is older than ever
There is definitely a perception of cool that is intimidating *at first* but my experience, at least, is that once you gather the courage to step over that barrier and post to FF (or, in my case, sit down on the floor at LobbyCon), the welcoming aspect completely overwhelms the barrier and one is left thinking, "I was intimidated by these people? Really?"
- Catherine Pellegrino
personality issues reign eternal; they're impossible to avoid. problems arise if they're so pervasive that they threaten the health of the group, or if they verge on exclusion-by-demographic-category. I can't speak to the former (though LSW seems pretty healthy), and I don't *think* the latter is happening, but I'm obviously not the right person to say for sure!
- D0r0th34
"I was intimidated by these people? Really?" LOL "What a bunch of dorks! I can be queen of this group and have a dork army to do my bidding!"
- Steve is older than ever
Steve, I would love to see a "Paris Dada vs. Zurich Dada" situation!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
I don't know. As I said, I think we're generally welcoming (as Catherine just said), or more welcoming than many elites, but I don't really know how you lower that barrier. I think I would rather concentrate on not having our interactions with one another become toxic, which is another thing that often happens.
- laura x
OK. So be conscious, conscientious, cool (but not too cool) and keep on truckin'?
- Steve is older than ever
Two possible suggestions for lowering the intimidation bar: (ir)regular "de-lurking" invitations in the FF room, along the lines of "introduce yourself!" (Like Shovers & Makers, but lower-key). Also, "Bring a Friend" invitations where LSW members invite someone they know who they think would like the LSW to come check it out, er, somehow.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Yeah, I think rather than worrying about lowering the bar, we just concentrate on being excellent to one another. Especially since I've come to believe that feelings of "I'm not cool enough for those people" are interior, not exterior. I can't help it if someone thinks they're not cool enough to associate with me, because I know it's not true.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
I think that's just right, Steve.
- D0r0th34
I know that when I wore my LSW ribbon at the Access, I got a lot of questions, and I'm pretty sure I didn't explain it very well, but I know that other people at the conference were also explaining what was going on
- DJF
same thing happened to me at ALA
- D0r0th34
I only wish I'd taken some to the Linux Fest last weekend. That would have been amusing
- DJF
I go back to Clay Shirky's thing about how the internet is held up by love. I don't know if his talk stands up to rigorous inquiry, but I do feel that one of the main reason LSW exists is because we wake up each day loving the idea and loving each other and create it anew each day. I mean it so very sincerely that I love the LSW and the people in it, and am grateful for this group, whatever it is.
- Steve is older than ever
Well, one person did walk (cough) and sort-of said why...but he didn't walk all that far, and he sort of crept back partway, singing "but I did not shoot the deputy..." under his breath. Unfortunately, sometimes he now refers to himself in the third person...but doesn't think the LSW needs to or should change.
- Walt Crawford
I wasn't going to bring up any specifics about that person, but if people think that some of the dominant personalities here are too dominant, or just rub them the wrong way, this could certainly be a difficult place to spend your time. I wonder what the LSW room would look like if you had me blocked? That would be great.
- Steve is older than ever
Also, don't harsh my mellow, Crawford.
- Steve is older than ever
Well, that's why I wrote what I did for the latest zine, Steve. If people think that, say, you or I are too dominant or just too annoying, but they like the basic idea of the LSW, there's nothing stopping them from forming their own version of the LSW. I certainly won't stand in anyone's way. I probably won't even go all Andre Breton on them.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Josh: Of course there's something blocking their way--it probably wouldn't work, and it certainly wouldn't have the LSW people in it. (Doing the same idea in another field: That might work.) Steve: I'm mellowing your harsh--this apostate did come back, didn't she? Or he, or whatever? And the person in question only has one block, not in any way related to LSW. He wouldn't think of blocking NeffLawson & Co.
- Walt Crawford
There is a lovely, lovely passage from a letter from the Berkeley Free Speech Movement (nods to Walt) that I would like to add to this thread, and if I find it tonight, I'll type it up for you. But it talks about how the members of the movement worked together and learned together and ultimately, "found flowering within ourselves the very presence whose absence we were, at heart, protesting."
- laura x
Nods back, although, shamefully, I was only an observer at the time. (OK, I was also only a frosh or sophomore...)
- Walt Crawford
Walt, I'm not entirely convinced it wouldn't work. I mean, I didn't really think the LSW would "work." I started it on a dare & as a lark. I absolutely didn't think it would still be going like it is. The only way we'll know if it would work is if someone really did start their own LSW.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
I'm not entirely convinced it hasn't worked *already*. I have no evidence of this, but it seems entirely plausible that someone has peeked in on LSW, thought "these are a bunch of wankers" and gone off to form some other more low-key group that better fit her personality.
- Steve is older than ever
Maybe I'm saying it wrong. It's not that you couldn't start a new LSW-like disorganization; it's that, at least within the same general space, it wouldn't attract enough of the same kind of people--'cause they're already in LSW. On the other hand, an LSW-like disorganization clustering school librarian types, or plumbers, or whatever...yeah, that could work great.
- Walt Crawford
Hmm. The BSW (Blue Skunks of the World)...there's an idea.
- Walt Crawford
Well, I guess I was thinking of being at ALA and people saying "are you going to the Facebook meetup" and I was all "the whatbook whatup?" Because I'm not in that group. But other people are and they find it meaningful and collegial enough to schedule a meetup and all. But yes, an actual splinter group, like "I'm leaving and taking my faction with me" would be weird/impossible.
- Steve is older than ever
If there was an actual faction, it would be plausible but, I think, stupid. (Maybe the wrong word.) If there's some friction, well, that's life. I hadn't thought of the "LSW in other media" version--is there an LSW Ning? (Sorry: Forget I asked that. Please.)
- Walt Crawford
Did I neglect to say it? Laura's quotation is beautiful.
- Steve is older than ever
it is!
- D0r0th34
Yes, I should have said that: Laura's quotation is beautiful. (And the FSM was, in its way, a thing of beauty. Wonder whatever happened to the booklength ms. I wrote on FSM's press coverage...on an electric typewriter, using microfilm as source material. Walking uphill in the snow five miles each way. All true but the last.)
- Walt Crawford
Steve, I love your love post.
- marthalib
There's a LinkedIn group? That does social networking? On LinkedIn? I never woulda guessed. (Maybe because, for me, LinkedIn's mostly been an incredibly extensive and wholly useless set of contacts...I would never have thought of it as a social network)
- Walt Crawford
Interesting. Turns out I'm already a member. And, looking at the interaction, I guess I'd still say "Social networking? On LinkedIn?" There's a level of Earnestness there that I'd expect on LinkedIn--more serious than ALA Connect, and even less lively. But I'll check back frequently--maybe even once a month.
- Walt Crawford
I do so like kgs's (I think) description of LinkedIn as "Facebook as if invented by Microsoft."
- DJF
I was thinking of forming a splinter group / faction / fork called the "Special Libraries Liberation Army" (SLLA) of the LSW.
- Joe....
Nice essay! Applying it to the LSW - the only thing I've noticed so far is similar to what I notice most places on the net, to greater or lesser extent: that, despite its name, the LSW is really pretty America-dominated. Not in an "Only Americans will be welcomed" way of course - just in an "America is the default" way. Proposed meetups are in the US; synchronous chats happen in hours...
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- Deborah Fitchett
Yes, Deborah, good point. And that doesn't even get into non-English speaking people. It's funny because the name was really supposed to sound grandiose. If Josh was being more literal he would have called it "American Librarians Who Like to Joke and Argue Online & Friends." :)
- Steve is older than ever
Deborah, the challenge is that we are all victims of the world's timezones. Even within North America, there are definitely communication barriers between the east and west coast caused entirely by the time difference. Friendfeed makes that a bit simpler by being slightly less synchronous than chat, but the problem is still there.
- DJF
@DJF - Yes, I definitely understand. There's a reason why I participate in LSW mostly on Friendfeed (and why my early days on the internet were mostly on Usenet!) It's not something that bugs me; it's just something I occasionally notice, and even more occasionally feel vaguely on-the-outskirts because of.
- Deborah Fitchett
@Steve - Fair enough! Heh, at one stage I was doing an irregular series of blog round-ups of non-English library blog posts, because there's so much going on that we never hear about. But then other interests took over, and now it's on my list of Things I Must Get Back To Sometime.
- Deborah Fitchett
Cripes, I can't find the piece of paper where I wrote down the whole quotation, but I'll keep looking. And if I can remember anything at all more about the book it came from, I may ask one of you people in a large place to try to find it for me, since Google Books is so far failing me.
- laura x
Thanks, Steven! That's where I got my "seed" of French, Spanish, Danish and Swedish library blogs but I should take look for other countries now that Google Reader does its (sometimes hilarious) auto-translate thing. Interestingly it was mentioned by some NZ tweeps this morning, and consensus was that the NZ section was already out of date. Things change quickly online... :-)
- Deborah Fitchett
My plan is now to accept no new projects outside of work (with "work" pretty narrowly defined). In February, I plan to get serious about an LSW project--either the website or the Occasional Meeting.
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Don't let the fact that I plan to work on those things stop *you* from working on them in the meantime.
- Steve is older than ever
I need to make a similar plan. I know my supervisor has declared that 2010 will be our year of NO, when we basically tell other departments we're not taking on any new projects so that we can work more on the fun stuff we've been wanting to do for ages. I want to use that time to work more on the LSW site (or some other LSW project).
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
I have recently ended my commitment to two outside things. Ahhhhhh.
- Rachel Walden
I'm just embarrassed at my lack of committment to the stuff I have said "yes" to lately.
- Steve is older than ever
Bravo. I just wrote some rules for myself about speaking engagements, to keep the chaos to a dull roar.
- D0r0th34
That's why I ended one; resigned a commitment w/ essentially, "I am not finding that I have the time to be as effective as I'd like to be in this role, and you need someone who can give more time and effort to this project."
- Rachel Walden
I need to figure out how to sneak this Official Microsoft FrontPage 98 Book on to our "horror books" Halloween display.
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Anna Lynn M., laura x, D0r0th34 and 20 other people liked this
DOESN'T ANYONE SCREEN THESE POSTS?
- Steve is older than ever
Steve, if you can't control your tone of voice, I'm going to have to ask Jenica to ban you.
- DJF
David, I think you'd have to take that up with the Online Interactions Committee.
- lris
The policy clearly states that I'm allowed up to five words in all caps per thread.
- Steve is older than ever
BUT BUT...someone might say something THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR. What if they tell us our service sucks? User feedback? HELL TO THE NAW.
- Sarah G.
Moderators, meh, but people to guide and build communities? For sure. Not being at ILI, I haven't a clue of the context from which you Tweet, however :)
- Fiona Bradley
But what if a patron types FUCK?
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
*clutches pearls* JOSH NEFF JUST TYPED THE WORD FUCK. OH CRAP. NOW I DID TOO. *faints*
- Sarah G.
hahaha, i'm glad i'm not the only one that gets irritated by the librarian's obsession w/ moderation
- Ed Summers
i am going to report you all to the proper authorities.
- Free?
I love walking away for a few hours and coming back to hysteria. BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MODERATORS OMGWTFBBQ
- Jenica
It's pining for the days when we were the gatekeepers, really.
- John Fink
unsubscribe.
- Marie is organized.
PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME TOO! I thought this list was for getting articles in the place of ILL?
- Joe....
SNORT. this is much better than my session.
- Rachel Singer Gordon
(There was a moderator. She saw what was going on here, went "tch tch" and walked away.)
- Walt Crawford
Those people who whine about the people who want moderators when they can't even bother to do the research on moderators? Well, I can't really call them information professionals.
- Steve is older than ever
+5 Lawson. Can you call them haters?
- Walt Crawford
how do I unsubscribe from this list? won't someone please tell me???
- Stephanie_GoBigBlue!
Check it: Information Professional is so 2007. We're Knowledge Professionals now.
- Sarah G.
I am out of the office from October 26 through October 24, but will respond to your message when I return.
- Walt Crawford
Oct 24, 2010? Wow, you will be gone a loooonnnnnggg time.
- Joe....
That Jenica is SO off base. Can you believe her guts?? .... er- Please excuse my last post, which was not intended for the full list.
- lris
gah to all of you people asking about unsubscribing, the information is right here! http://www.microsoft.com/info...
- Sir Shuping
UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!
- Rachel Singer Gordon
U GUYZ R ALL L00ZERS! I PWN U! STEVE LAWSON IS QUEER!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Geez, who let B1FF in?
- DJF
We don't need to regulate online social spaces. We need to regulate Joshua M. Neff, who is a jerkface.
- Steve is older than ever
ths cmmnt hs bn dsmvwlld
- D0r0th34
Dorothea just made me literally laugh out loud! (I once had a comment disemvowelled on Boing Boing.)
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
I love librarians.
- DJF
Friends/ I have started a New Online Community / Blog / Clearing House / Sewing Circle to discuss this Important Matter. Look for it on Facebook / Ning / Orkut / IRC. /Steve
- Steve is older than ever
This is now my favorite thread of the day, and I'm not even a librarian.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
God I love librarians. :)
- Jenica
Thread drift! Somebody rename the subject line so that we can talk about the awesomeness of this thread separately from this thread. Really, people, can't we keep it orderly around here?! You all know the rules!
- D0r0th34
Iris, I was going to say the same thing. I don't know why Jenica started this ... oh wait, that really happened to me today. so nice to lol!!
- Stephanie_GoBigBlue!
Um, ALA promised me a job as a moderator. LIARS! They owe me a career.
- Steve is older than ever
Steve, I have more degrees than you do. I don't care if you have more library experience. Giving you that job instead of me would be SO UNFAIR.
- lris
Iris, but it's been 10 years and i STILL havent gotten a job with my mls. It's MY turn to get that job! *whine*
- The Archangel ωαřмaiden
Please make sure to do a keyword search of the archives to review policies on unsubscribing, disemvowelling and moderator job requirements...
- Abigail
Please do not keep responding to the whole message. Those of us reading the digest are a bit overwhelmed.
- laura x
hey this is relevant to 5 other lists so please cross post all future responses to those list also
- Sir Shuping
I hope this thread makes Best of Week.
- Spidra Webster
aren't we talking about moderators in online communities? I think we've drifted from the original thread here, people.
- Stephanie_GoBigBlue!
best of the week? i think this is one of the best of the month!
- Sir Shuping
woo-hoo I won the thread! IN YOUR FACE, LAWSON! YOU TOO, NEFF! :P :P :P oh, wait, did I send that to everybody? ooooooops...
- D0r0th34
*looks around* NAZIS! *runs away*
- Jason Griffey
we should change this list so it doesn't Reply All. really.
- Stephanie_GoBigBlue!
*comment redacted by moderator*
- Laura B needin' waders
omg censorship! anti-constitutional violation of rights! I'm calling my lawyer!
- Deborah Fitchett
Dammit, Griffey just Godwined this thread!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Stephanie, this is clearly a user-education issue. list replies work very well 98% of the time. It's the people who don't take a couple of seconds to check the header before they hit send that are causing all the problems here.
- DJF
This is why computers are a bad idea.
- Steve is older than ever
Andrew Keen was right!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Wow. Go for a walk and you miss a lot... But, Steve up above, you lack ! a Sufficient \ Number / of Important! Exciting = Current Punctuation Elements. Oh, and the text is all one color. What's up with that? I'll start six wikis and ten blogs to figure it out...
- Walt Crawford
It's reprehensible for an information professional to use Comic Sans.
- laura x
First!
- John Dupuis
Don't you guys have any WORK to do? I'm TOO BUSY to read all these emails.
- Stephanie_GoBigBlue!
from iPhone
I don't think we should exclude people from this online community just because they can't think of anything witty to say. That strikes me as highly unwelcoming and a subcommittee will be creating a geocities page to address the issue.
- Laura Norvig
(Jenica has shown great restraint in not deleting all these comments. I vote Jenica dictator^H^H^H^H^H^H^H moderator for life.)
- Steve is older than ever
me too!!!
- Tara Robertson
Does anyone have the article, "Reductionist Sexual Tendancies of the Male Northern Black-haired Scrat: Temporal Judgements and Seasonal Mating Rituals," Journal of Neoclassical Biological Systematics, 145(3):9952-9976? ScienceDirect is telling me I owe them $30... Could you please send me a PDF?
- Joe....
I reiterate, I love librarians.
- Jenica
Steve and Walt > || _ Genius! / _||
- Fiona Bradley
agreed. > I don't think we should exclude people from this online community just because they can't think of anything > witty to say. That strikes me as highly unwelcoming and a >subcommittee will be creating a geocities page to address the issue. > Wow. Go for a walk and you miss a lot... But, Steve up above, you lack ! > a Sufficient \ Number / of Important! Exciting = Current...
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- Stephanie_GoBigBlue!
I'm chatting, waving, DMing, Tweeting, and FFing ALL AT THE SAME TIME. Not too bad for a misanthrope. ALSO, I AM LIVING IN THE FUTURE.
Tyson Key, MicahBear78, Kirsten and 5 other people liked this
Thought for the day: "A lot of people never use their initiative because nobody told them to." - Banksy - http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki...
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or when they do they get smacked down hard?
- D0r0th34
or they have seen other people smacked down hard?
- JSNFLMNG
The irony, people. Let's focus on the irony.
- Steve is older than ever
no, irony...like goldy or bronzey, except with iron.
- Joe Silence is not dead
irony, rhymes with tenderoni http://listen.grooveshark.com/#...
- JSNFLMNG
@erindowney I'd rather get IL streaming from the Crown & Anchor. :P
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I would rather get beer streaming from the Crown & Anchor.
- Chris Z.
I think the Crown and Anchor would be far less fun for the participants if they knew it was being broadcast, or even recorded to any great extent.
- DJF
Eh, I can get beer anywhere. I can't get the fun of hanging out with a bunch of my long-distance friends, though.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
But if I could sit at my desk with a stream of beer? I mean, how is that not good?
- Chris Z.
My boss would disagree, obviously.
- Chris Z.
I SAID LET'S ROCK THIS FRIDAY!!!
See-ming Lee 李思明 SML, Maxamad (Amazigh), 7 Laser Vaterpases and 34 other people liked this
Neff, you owe me a keyboard. And some dry-cleaning.
- Mary Carmen
Um . . . .
- Baroness Von Cut-A-Bitch
You just can't handle my rockin' lifestyle!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
you are rocking it already I presume :)
- Mycaptain
x_x
- Derrick
Joshua rocks.
- Holly Rae, FFer
OK, I just now actually clicked on the pic, and that's no webcam pic. I need an 11x14 of this. Also, one of Josh's projects on his whiteboard is "Electric Boogaloo.:
- Steve is older than ever
Also also, this pic came up while Shanon was looking over my shoulder and she said "how is Josh doing?" and I said "looks pretty good to me!"
- Steve is older than ever
I wish I could like this again
- Mary Carmen
I don't have a webcam, Steve. I took this with my digital camera. And yes, one of my projects is "Electric Boogaloo." I cannot really talk about it, though.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
*bump this!*
- Katy S
the guy in the pic and the one in account pic are similar glasses, hair
- ffcode
Um...what, ffcode?
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
weird spammer or just a weird comment?
- Sir Shuping
I can't decide, Shuping.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
weird spammer would be good :p
- ffcode
Froggy on Vimeo - http://vimeo.com/7229392
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Awwwwww
- lris
I <3 your boys! :)
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Something awesome about fathers and sons.
- Derrick
awww
- ~Courtney F.
I'm bookmarking this for whenever I'm blue and need a pick me up.
- Derrick
From a co-worker after reading Codslap!: "If I'd had something like LSW around I might not have had to quit the profession after a particularly brutal day of team-building."
The Archangel ωαřмaiden, ÉllbeeÇee, DJF and 5 other people liked this
She also did a short thing for Librarian Bomb about knives at the ref desk.
- Steve is older than ever
Ooh, what's the estimated release date of Librarian Bomb?
- Rachel Walden
Hoping like hell to have it done tonight to send to the folks who volunteered to print & schlep to Internet Librarian. Copies by mail probably next week.
- Steve is older than ever
Yay! :)
- Rachel Walden
Cannot wait to see LB. I have to buy an extra copy for my co-author.
- Jàson Puçkett
Now, is it issue 2 of Codslap with a special issue subtitle? Or, is this a brand new title? Will it need a new ISSN number?
- Joe....
don't forget those 730 and 735 fields
- marthalib
Whole new title. Part of my cataloger job security plan.
- Steve is older than ever
780 = Codslap! and 785 = ?
- Aaron the Librarian
wait, 730 or 780? -- this is why I am not a catalogger...
- Aaron the Librarian
All you Friday rockers have a fangirl.
Jason Huebel, laura x, Mary Carmen and 29 other people liked this
Iris, I love ya, darlin'!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Iris wins.
- Laura B needin' waders
*waits for Iris to throw her copy of the new APA on stage, with URL of her Libguides tucked inside*
- Rochelle Rochelle
I want to double-like this.
- Jason Griffey
I think all librarians should have this as their desktop image. :)
- The Archangel ωαřмaiden
If you post a rocker picture, I'd be your fangirl too, Griffey. #nopressure_yeahright
- lris
I was going to say that Iris needed to post a rocker picture herself, but then I remembered that she is out in front of this trend as usual, and in fact hands out rocker photos of herself to her fans all the time: https://apps.carleton.edu/campus...
- Steve is older than ever
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