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Nice solution to the multi-model form problem by @timriley using unobtrusive JavaScript with jQuery. http://openmonkey.com/article...
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RT @Pogue: Remember the AT&T "You Will" ads from 1993? Amazing how many of these came true... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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davewiner: Just heard that @scobleizer's next kid is going to be named Ryan Souroush. That gives him some very special initials! :-) - http://twitter.com/davewin...
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The problem with Facebook for public conversations - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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This is one reason why Facebook doesn't work for me the way FriendFeed does. It'll be interesting to see how this is fixed now that the two will be joining.
- Robert Scoble
Conversations was the main reason for me to join friendfeed.
- ashish
It's impossible: you cannot mix FB friends with FF friends. Unless you create a "FF Room" in FB and import all your FF contacts there, and keep it private. But it's way too complicated, don't you think?
- Jordi Soler
Jordi: yes. Too complicated. But now that we'll be rolled in there, that leaves opportunities for innovation.
- Robert Scoble
Robert most of my FB friend's do not give a shit about wether the new Mac tablet is subsidised with 3g carriers, or that on TWiT last week Leo talked about new HD cameras coming for his studio. Friendfeed is geeky, and i don't want it to be part of Facebook!
- Mark
Anyway, IF FF disappears in its actual form (which I doubt), I'm rooting for a.tinythread.com. Their timing was excellent.
- Jordi Soler
@Mark you will get new friend lol (my first lol I swear) the situation inspire me a family that change a location and where kids are crying, they don't want to leave they don't want to loose their friend, all this is a kind of magic.
- abdellah
What I suspect will happen will be that there will be a "Facebook Conversations" area, which is much like the current FF - public conversations on a wide range of topics, but reskinned to fit the rest of Facebook. Groups functionality will transfer fairly easily. And everything - public and private streams - will have the FF real time engine and search capabilities underneath it.
- Ian Betteridge
Last night Paul from FF.com staff said "Obviously I can't provide a lot of detailed plans and guarantees, but I can tell you that I'll do my personal best to ensure that the FriendFeed users and community are treated right. I love this product too, and don't want to see it disappear."
- Mark
Robert, this is why Facebook will be never like Twitter and FriendFeed, they will run into a huge PR nightmare if they make all updates "public". Most of the people are on FB because they like the privacy options. I don't see FB leveraging much of the real time search... Seriously? Even if they - How will they make money?
- Raj
Well, I was just starting to use FF 'cause most of my friendster at FB are either family, former coworkers or classmates and they all share distinct discussion interests; I was just discovering how cool is to have instant and simultaneous discussion possibilities ranging from what's the best chic shot on flickr today up to what would be a good Business intelligence strategy for a medium...
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- Marco ILLESCAS
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The future for Facebook is what they did with the CNN Election page. That was a CNN hosted page with Facebook widgets and Facebook community. FF will help them with that.
- Leo Laporte
Facebook can never be a FF replacement for me. On FB, I have family members, relatives, co-workers and people I went to church with. On other social media sites I can be more myself, vent and talk about subjects I'm not comfortable discussing with those other groups of people.
- Travis Owen
I completely agree... I have a lot of non-techie friends and slowly they join Twitter, although they don't know why. We've had lots of great conversations in Facebook, but they are personal conversations. They're my friends, we're having conversations among friends. Nothing I expect would be very interesting to the public in general. Twitter, however, is public interaction with people...
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- Art Stanton
I have my FB open to everyone. I dont understand why people would want to post on a social site but lock it down to only a few people.
- MikeDeal / ZoneDancer
I couldn't agree more. Facebook just isn't good for work conversations. FF is wonderful for watching and commenting on what people are talking about. Mark Z, please don't close down FF.
- Leigh Marriner
Because alot of people put personal photos on of themselves and kids etc they don't want us to see
- Mark
My issue is more that Facebook and Friendfeed/Twitter are just so different as communities. The subject matter is different, the pace is different, and the audience is different. Heck, there are friends of my parents on there. How many times do you want to know what your Friend bought on Mafia Wars?
- chipmason
If and when the two join. I quite honestly see FB simply absorbing the search and sharing capabilities of FF but not swarming its users with the firehose. It'd be suidide. Even if they put all sorts of filters in place, 90% of FB users won't be able to deal with that, complain, and leave. They'll go back to email and we're stuck with a whale of a social network we can't use.
- Nils Geylen
Mark, Paul won't really have a say on it anymore. His team will be put on higher priority projects and that will be that. This is how it works.
- Todd Hoff
I like Ian Betteridge's idea of a "Facebook Conversations" area. That would be the best way to bring Twitter/FF-style conversations, search, discovery and networking to Facebook. The original Facebook can still be solidly grounded in real-life (with mutual friendships, and private sharing of information) while the Facebook Conversations are can be true "cyberspace".
- Meryn Stol
Everyone seems to be assuming the two platforms are going to be rolled into one. Is that going to happen? Can that ever happen successfully? You can't have this kind of conversation on Facebook as it is now and it's difficult to imagine you ever could without substantial changes to the site.
- Gilbert Harding
Nils you're a pessimist the FF coders and MZ are the best in the world they won't *uck it up give them more credit than that
- Thomas Power
It is really disturbing to watch FB mixing your personal life with your business life or interests. As I can see, the first reaction of many users on FF was like that. Hope it works our well for everyone on FF.
- Rabia Sozkesen
Thomas, I hope the talent will prevail, and that FF will indeed be a FB Labs of some sort. But just like the majority here I'm skeptical (okay, not pessimistic) about integrating the two communities.
- Nils Geylen
If FF will add better search capability to FB then that would be good
- Lee Kent
"Most of my friends on Facebook are there not to share industry or work news, but to push pictures of their kids or talk about their personal lives. That’s fine, that’s why I like Facebook, but why it’s horrid for having industry or work conversations." Yeah, I hope that Paul and Bret get that. I don't use Facebook to promote my industry work. I used Facebook to connect with old school...
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- Tamar Weinberg
Agreed with Tamara. FF straight-up seems to have a solid focus on that industry/work--it feels more substantial. IMHO, it's substance over form and flash (even though watching the feeds pour in is one heck of a marvel).
- Rob Schieber
It's two totally different paradigms of interaction, for two mindsets. Usually the acquired gets assimilated, not the other way. Though, FF have released for example the "comment at the bottom" feature after they got acquired. All is not lost?
- Rick Cogley
Oh my this video of Hitler discovering FriendFeed's sale to Facebook NAILS it. Hillarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Whoever did that was on FriendFeed a long time. Appreciate all the humor!
- Robert Scoble
We still have Plurk, ha!
- Michael Ryan
This was originally form Mark Trapp: http://friendfeed.com/itafrom...
- Matt Mastracci
F'ing fabulous!!
- Larry Hawes
Plurk is just as worthless, especially with the hole Karma Bullshit.
- Matt Ruiz
Thank you, thank you: I'll be here all week! Be sure to tip your waitress; try the veal!
- Mark Trapp
The inside jokes are great, was LOL this morning.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Abso-effing-lutely hilarious :-)
- Ritesh Lal
Damn.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
"We still have Plurk" haha
- Patrik Johansson
I have seen this vid with so many different sub titles, and its always hilarious.
- Jordan Patterson
OMG! Great!
- Jason Miller
"We Still Have Plurk!" Hahahahahahahahha!
- Hugh McCallion
Hysterical! (At first I thought this (FB swallowing FF) was bad for Twitter - but maybe Twitter will end up the real winner. (Such a depressing thought.)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Laughed so hard I cried.
- Erica OGrady
If FriendFeed got big independently, you would have FriendFeed spam just like you get poked or you get trash messages on Facebook. It's the nature of the beast.
- Michelle
Thanks for the humor. I needed to laugh today.
- Jeunelle Foster
Mark, I forwarded this to a friend - film school graduate, not a Friendfeed user. He loved it. Great job.
- John Craft
Ahahah excellent !
- Jacque
this meme never gets old
- Victor Barriga
hahahah
- Sinan İŞLER
Hahahaha!! That is hilarious!
- zephyrlily
So, who is leaving FriendFeed?
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And go where? Back to Twitter or...Facebook?
- Manuel Mas
no idea yet.... see what happens.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I have nowhere else to go. No where else gives me the high level of interaction that FF does.
- Mel Buckpitt
Same FriendFeed as before, I'll still use.
- Ben Parr
Of course if Paul hands me a few hundred shares of stock ... just kidding. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I was going to ask how you felt about the purchase, but now I see
- acedanger
Depends how much it changes.
- Andrew Leyden
Why leave?
- Mike Shulman
+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes
- Matt Hooper
Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me.
- Talon Lardner
Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for.
- Mike Elliott
Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then.
- Jim Hearts FF
I'm sad, but I'm sticking around. I'm hoping others do to. At some point, the fuss will die down.
- Helen Sventitsky
Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects.
- Robert Scoble
This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha.
- Manuel Mas
And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on.
- Robert Scoble
I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook.
- Bryan Lee
Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point?
- Internet's Tad
I'm not going anywhere Helen...When it goes it goes...I'm sitting tight on the ship
- Bill Heslin
there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows..
- Terry O'Fee
I can't wait to try out wave. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;)
- Melanie Reed
How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public?
- Bryan Lee
Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no?
- Stephen Pickering
didn't you just just say "FriendFeed is dead. I will keep using it until Paul unplugs the last server, which could be years" ? or i'm missing something
- Liviu Barbat
I'll stick around to the bitter end.
- Dave Metzener
Robert: Earlier in the day you were excited for both FriendFeed & Facebook. It didn't sound like you were leaving FriendFeed. What changed? Why not stick around to see what happens?
- Jill Elswick
Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard
- Mike Elliott
I'm in wait and see mode. It would have to be absolutely sucked in by FB for me to leave it completely.
- pea
Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving?
- George F. Snell III
When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind?
- Manuel Mas
Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends
- Alberto Saavedra
I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet.
- David Finch
Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see...
- Gus
Scoble: Ning?!?! Really?
- Manuel Mas
Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm staying here until something else catches up.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists?
- Jeff P. Henderson
hmm, ning. unexpected, but understandable
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon.
- David Damore
Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible.
- sean percival
Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open.
- Martha
And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form.
- ashish
Google/Twitter vs. Facebook/FriendFeed
- Stephen Pickering
+1 ashish
- Liviu Barbat
I'm a little pissed that we haven't heard much from our other "rock stars". Where the hell are they? This concerns them, yet I can hear a pin drop. I think there secretly plotting. Roflmao
- Jeunelle Foster
I don't want to but if it eventually goes down the way everybody's predicting it will then i'll have to look for alternatives :( .......by the way where do i beg for Wave invites :)
- Bhowmik Shah
I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does.
- Gus
I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish.
- Bruce Lewis
I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more...
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- Mike Elliott
The other rock stars are drinking. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter.
- Edward Coffey
Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :)
- Brandon Titus
I'll stick around until the end.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!!
- professor daddyo
Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary.
- Bruce Lewis
@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch.
- Adi
I don't use FF much other than for private rooms, so I'll stay for those. Whatever other activity I have (which is sporadic and generally not personal) will also remain.
- Cheryl
I'll stick around until they pull the plug.
- Morton Fox
Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook?
- Tate DA FF MVP
I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!!
- Cassidy
What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where?
- Michael Liss
I heard it's MySpace
- sean percival
I'm staying until the end as well.
- Mitch
I won't be deleting my account, but signing in and commenting? No. No real point to continue putting data into a service that is gonna get unplugged anyway. Guess we just have to return to blogs and twitter.
- BCK
quick! everybody back to MySpace!!!
- acedanger
what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed?
- Andy Sternberg
The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug.
- Bruce Lewis
With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick
- Stephen Pickering
I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web.
- Darrel Davis
Should we move to where?? haha
- harri78son
I'll be here until something actually changes for the worse
- Dennis O'Neil
harri78son you could come back over to my blog and we could setup JS-Kit Echo. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Damn now I need a drink :)
- Jeunelle Foster
That's right, Scoble is the catalyst for these longer threads anyway, so it might as well move to his JS-Kit
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, that's a pity. I'm lucky to deal in things that only get more interesting as they get older.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm torn. What are our options?
- Kelly Mitchell
yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down,
- harri78son
I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P
- Brandon Titus
Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists.
- Mike Elliott
I'm here till the end.
- Nolan Alston
Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this
- Stephen Pickering
Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-)
- Robert Scoble
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds.
- Got80s
I have no idea where to go...
- Johnny
Let's make the longest thread in FF history
- Stephen Pickering
Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal.
- Edward Coffey
Damn it. Why is Arrington always right!
- Stephen Pickering
Jeff P. Flickr is different Yahoo bought them for their user base. Facebook bought Friendfeed for their features.
- Bryan Lee
Got80: why do that? Who cares if your feeds are going in here?
- Robert Scoble
Edward: that is true. It caught us all off guard and we're still processing it.
- Robert Scoble
Kind of huge things in this time,.hmmm
- harri78son
Facebook bought FF for Paul Bucheit
- Stephen Pickering
I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though.
- Ted Roden
I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place...
- Kelly Mitchell
I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF.
- Adam Webb
Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing.
- Chip Ramsey
Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet.
- Robert Scoble
Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble?
- Rami Taibah
Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent.
- Brandon Titus
I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe...
- Linda Mills
Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway
- Stephen Pickering
I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate?
- Christopher Doiron
Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps.
- Robert Scoble
Among other ex-Google superstars.
- Robert Scoble
Robert your not processing anything from what I see..Your just gonna dump it...thanks...makes us All feel so much better....Salt in a wound?
- Bill Heslin
Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love.
- Bruce Lewis
They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom
- Kelly Mitchell
funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join.
- mark silva
Go where, do what?
- frankiecarl
I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down.
- Bryan Lee
Yeah lets all get drunk and start a fight. This whole thing is hilarious to me. Funny how media can start a panic. I ain't goin no where, I like to coloring.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen?
- Robert Scoble
Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds.
- Melanie Reed
Can't help being an attention whore, its what I'm good at :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol
- Kelly Mitchell
but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!!
- harri78son
Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com
- Bryan Lee
I'm in the eyewear business and so I always know how to make a spectacle of myself :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base.
- Brandon Titus
Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money.
- Kelly Mitchell
Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again.
- Grant Bierman
:) I am what I am Robert...I'm A DRAMA QUEEN? LOL that's funny....even though I'm a much better queen than you I still wuvs ya...Still processing all this as everyone else is...Sorry...might be shooting from the hip and I shouldn't
- Bill Heslin
Am I the only one excited to see how Facebook integrates FF? I have hundreds of FB friends that I know personally, yet know nobody that I am "friends" with on FF or Twitter. FB has my friends but I'd love FF's functionality.
- Christopher Annunziata
There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is.
- Tristan Seligmann
Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you.
- Stephen Pickering
Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
This should be a reality television show. This is where the real drama queens will come out to play.
- Jeunelle Foster
Leo's going to need a new show, TWIF
- Stephen Pickering
This week in Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Anyone here ever feel like we're just being tossed around from website to website by the big players?
- Christopher Doiron
Thanks Kelly :)
- Bryan Lee
Chris, Yep
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave.
- Bruce Lewis
Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug.
- Kelly Mitchell
Yup the big dogs are sitting back laughing at this whole thing
- Jeunelle Foster
It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate.
- Brandon Titus
I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight
- Mattb4rd
The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address?
- Brandon Titus
Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo?
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share.
- Robert Scoble
Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks.
- Robert Scoble
And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has
- Stephen Pickering
I guess what I'm trying to say is even if you don't think your time here is an not an investment ;anymore in anything Robert...We still, or at least I do, consider your input valuable. And if you were to jump ship too soon, I think we would all lose something. So, even if things don't look good...please hang around..That's what I meant to say...
- Bill Heslin
Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through.
- Matthew Horton
Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service.
- Robert Scoble
Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed.
- Brandon Titus
Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol.
- Chip Ramsey
OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to!
- Dave Sickmeier
April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm sticking around.
- Nation Hahn
There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend...
- Kelly Mitchell
Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family.
- Robert Scoble
I am gonna wait it out. If the community as a whole migrates I will go with them, but I don't want to overreact.
- Neal Jansons
it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?!
- Matt Hooper
Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle.
- Robert Scoble
Well said Robert
- Kelly Mitchell
April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that.
- Robert Scoble
As you should. Family is much more important than any of this. And now I have to go fix my wig! LOL
- Bill Heslin
depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me
- Nick Stone
Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good.
- Robert Scoble
FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help.
- Bruce Lewis
I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook.
- John C Ferron
Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens
- Melanie Reed
Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed
- Stephen Pickering
so much DRAMA
- Kevin Pruett
Kevin, the Drama is warranted
- Stephen Pickering
And Leo and Dick Debartolo are on the wine train, missing all this...I envy them...lol
- Bill Heslin
Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream
- Ryan Gerritsen
i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me.
- rama mamuaya
I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it.
- April Russo (app103)
If we could get the other "Rock Stars" who are obviously having a "virtual prayer meeting" somewhere to get together and talk about what changes they wish to see and what they would like to see develop for social media, Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed and now this Google Wave, we would probably all feel a little better as we might be able to see down the dark cold tunnel but they're out...
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- Jeunelle Foster
i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook
- Carlos Leiva Burotto
Did you guys see Dave Winer's URL shortner, http://rp.ly? Genius.
- Stephen Pickering
Jeunelle: Rizzn and Louis Gray and I did a podcast earlier where we talked through some of our feelings. It was very, um, theraputic.
- Robert Scoble
hahaha I must of missed it, I'll dig it up. A bit quiet still though. Haven't heard peep from Chris Brogan and all them other STARS
- Jeunelle Foster
Louis's blog post was classic.
- Bruce Lewis
Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this
- Stephen Pickering
I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away!
- Paul McElligott
Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration
- Ryan Gerritsen
Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook
- Tim Bergman
Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on
- Stephen Pickering
I'm staying...
- Luis
Thanks for feeding the flames, there, Scoble. *WHAT* on earth is so scary about all this?
- Brad McCrorey
Brad, FF has died. Scoble made this thing. And what does he get out of it? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
Was this the Exit Strategy? I don't see how FF makes money right now?
- Keith Rowland
Stephen: I got you all as friends.
- Robert Scoble
:-)
- Stephen Pickering
This really SUCKS because when you don't have great "developers" to put something together like FriendFeed, you're really just gonna have to either take it up the ass or commit suicide. I'll hang myself 1st with all my clothes on :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
- Stephen Pickering
I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run.
- phil baumann
from Android
i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me
- Chris Heath
I follow the Cheese!
- Rich Weaver
Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!)
- Paul Monaco
Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook.
- April Russo (app103)
Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone
- Stephen Pickering
I know I am able to post status updates in Facebook to "Everyone" now, but when will we be able to search these open status updates?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
I can't wait till my mom gets one of my "Queenie" updates....that's gonna b fun...lol..
- Bill Heslin
Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can
- Stephen Pickering
I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community.
- Gary Gannon
Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-)
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend.
- Bonnie Foster
We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we?
- Harald Felgner
Harald Yes!
- Stephen Pickering
I say we all leave Facebook instead.
- Larry Roth
Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different.
- Melanie Reed
I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
so what content aggregator in the absence of FF?
- WarLord
My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming?
- Ben Hanten
I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook.
- Kimber Scott
Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm confused - on the one hand you've said this is such a great thing for FF as well as FB - but on the other hand you also say you're leaving FF because of of it. Why - if this is such a great thing for FF?
- Matthew Blaisdell
WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds.
- Robert Scoble
OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes!
- Robert Scoble
I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going?
- Jerry Kidd
Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too.
- Brad Williamson
Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion
- Stephen Pickering
Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
LOL...there ya go Robert...I knew you would come around...Drink Drink!!! have a really nice cocktail...
- Bill Heslin
The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Dunno if I'll leave the ship...
- Wario
When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!?
- Harald Felgner
Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents.
- Bryan Lee
Robert - Makes sense - except that it still doesn't seem like a great day for Friendfeed - if it just gets abandoned (by FB as well as by leaders like you...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun!
- Robert Scoble
clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement?
- Bryan Lee
Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh...
- Ken Sheppardson
++Steve Gillmor
- Bruce Lewis
Ken you'll be back.
- Steve Gillmor
I don't think FB will change it all so quickly. But I do like Laconica, too.
- Monique Hodgkinson
Steve you're making it hurt worse! ;-(
- Stephen Pickering
Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait?
- Ken Sheppardson
stephen how so
- Steve Gillmor
I don't know where to go :(
- K.D.
I'll make up my mind when I figure out what better alternative there is to Friend Feed.
- Anthony Teegarden
Because we know FF has died
- Stephen Pickering
Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think I will just stay on twitter, because I can't stand facebook.
- Tomy Thomson
Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you?
- Robert Scoble
Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones!
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them
- Steve Gillmor
They will keep FF just will make it better
- Johni Fisher
Choose I meant
- Stephen Pickering
Please stop with FF has died chatter!
- Bryan Lee
I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions
- Herb Hernandez
Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year
- Stephen Pickering
Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp.
- Robert Scoble
But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all?
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x)
- Melissa Taylor
Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
they can go build it again. but zuckerberg has been wanting this for some time
- Steve Gillmor
need to wait what will happen to FF
- Toni @ NavinoT
I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value.
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Pickering: RSS is dead, not FF
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives
- Stephen Pickering
business is design
- Steve Gillmor
HAHAHA great comeback Steve. On that note I think I'll have a beer. :)
- Bryan Lee
Steve, OK, I'll keep the faith that maybe Scoble's idea that this could be a Facebook R&D could happen. That would be great!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, did you see the post about this being an opportunity for Google Reader? I think it was by Jorge Escobar.
- Bruce Lewis
Reading through all this is hilarious. We really should have a social media reality show Robert
- Jeunelle Foster
no bruce, how so
- Steve Gillmor
Jeunelle, Robert went drinking :)
- Stephen Pickering
So he ain't all that. Just kidding hehehehe :)
- Jeunelle Foster
He was saying Reader has most of the features of FF, and this could be their chance to expand and fill the niche FF filled: http://friendfeed.com/social-...
- Bruce Lewis
disagree bruce GR has no explicit contract with users
- Steve Gillmor
Contract or contact?
- Bryan Lee
Wave might be boosted, but has similar immaturity at the social graph level
- Steve Gillmor
I don't understand the part about the contract.
- Bruce Lewis
If Ning is 750m why FF is just 50m ?
- Johni Fisher
users consciously contribute metadata to FF
- Steve Gillmor
Do we want Google to buy Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
@Steve @Bruce, here's the post http://jungleg.com/2009... -- it's a crazy idea but GR could make an extra effort and put up a better web experience
- Jorge Escobar
I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave.
- Adam Washington
Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features
- Stephen Pickering
You are testing us Scoble.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
YES he's sitting in the back laughing while drinking Peppermint Schnaps
- Jeunelle Foster
Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!!
- Chad Gesser
I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind?
- Paul Chaney
Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it?
- Bryan Lee
I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot
- Stephen Pickering
I should get a life too but alas the temptation is too great for "attention whoring"
- Jeunelle Foster
Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
- Stephen Pickering
hehehe lol
- Jeunelle Foster
Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil"
- Stephen Pickering
those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through
- Steve Gillmor
@Stephen, I was alternating between friendfeed and twitter (stones and beatles, respectively :P) but I don't see the point in staying with a dying technology, which unfortunately is where friendfeed is headed. The tech of friendfeed itself will hopefully live on in facebook. I really think facebook has become a slightly less obnoxious version of myspace, and that's being nice.
- Tomy Thomson
Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally.
- Bruce Lewis
So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com?
- Ken Sheppardson
yes bruce take twitter for example
- Steve Gillmor
But Paul could end up being a great influence on Mark
- Stephen Pickering
not indefinitely Ken, but long enough to transfer enough value to avoid making twitter look like the good guys
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, will Google buy Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
you're "VERY excited" about the deal, but plan to leave friendfeed? why, exactly? i don't get it...
- Shawn C. Reed
dunno, don't really care
- Steve Gillmor
*eye roll* thread is getting to the point where it's too long and people are now asking questions that have been answered thrice.....Lock down time.
- Matthew DeVries
ff was the important value, not twitter
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, why didn't Ff take over FB? Yeah Facebook has the money, but it's the inferior product.
- Matthew DeVries
Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark?
- Bruce Lewis
matthew who says they didn't
- Steve Gillmor
That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2
- Stephen Pickering
@ Robert: The majority of apps on FB are useless imo. Every time I log on I get bombarded by 'add your relative' and 'blackjack' app requests. And don't get my started on the quizzes and other BS. Ah well, I will join your fan page on facebook!
- Tomy Thomson
ff has been running dev for a year
- Steve Gillmor
Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out
- Stephen Pickering
jesse skip to the bottom for the apology
- Steve Gillmor
The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump.
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet.
- Noah White
jumping is bullshit, no place to go
- Steve Gillmor
Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you still in the Boston area?
- Bruce Lewis
Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing.
- Doc
What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat.
- Nick Humphries
the doctor is in the house
- Steve Gillmor
But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens.
- Alex Knight
Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :)
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night.
- Jesse Stay
There's a house?
- Doc
Steve, is that Doc Searls?
- Stephen Pickering
of cards
- Steve Gillmor
hover over the name stephen
- Steve Gillmor
Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something.
- Bruce Lewis
Don't get so close.
- Doc
unfollow please sidney
- Steve Gillmor
Doc, Calacanis recommended your book to his audience on THis Week in Startups. Can't wait to read it!
- Stephen Pickering
I just left facebook a couple weeks ago - hope friendfeed doesn't devolve into quizzes and walled gardens
- Doug Holton
It's the Gillmor Gang in a perpendicular universe.
- Doc
yes it is
- Steve Gillmor
and about fucking time
- Steve Gillmor
Stephen, make sure it's the *new* 10th anniversary edition of Cluetrain. Both it and the old one are being sold. 8 extra chapters in the new.
- Doc
No doubt, Steve
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I'm in it to win it. FF isn't shutting down tomorrow or next week. But it's funny to me that so many dicuss the content... It's the connections made with others that are in jeopardy, not the LOLCat photos...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
we never stopped stephen
- Steve Gillmor
Heheheheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
JFC, I was gonna go to bed, and here we are. Wherever this is. Do we all really live in Scoble's butt?
- Doc
Doc comes through with yet another metonym: the perpendicular universe (= FF).
- Nick in Manila
I would have had something out sooner but I've been driving a car all day. :-)
- Jesse Stay
no it's Marshall McLuhan's butt
- Steve Gillmor
Is this SRC?
- Doc
Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble?
- Doc
Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time
- Steve Gillmor
Social relay chat?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
No who's on first
- Steve Gillmor
Scoble Relay Chat.
- Doc
the medium is the message
- Steve Gillmor
OK, OK, Steve. I admit, I listened to Dave Winer's chat this evening about it
- Stephen Pickering
yeah I read the liner notes instead
- Steve Gillmor
Confessions of Stephen and Steve
- Jeunelle Foster
And the medium is the network?
- Stephen Pickering
Are we paying Scoble now? Are we his excreta and are those a form of currency?
- Doc
as richard manuel used to say the check's in yr mouth
- Steve Gillmor
Doc, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
I thought it was "the check is coming in your mouth." Just looking for accuracy here.
- Doc
no, doc it's a contraction of 2 of the 3 promises
- Steve Gillmor
I forget what the 3rd is
- Steve Gillmor
I'll love you in the morning?
- Doc
could be
- Steve Gillmor
Well, it's almost morning here. I'll tape this show and watch later. G'night or g'morning, all.
- Doc
Goodnight, Doc!
- Stephen Pickering
I was wondering how long this would take to happen. Soon as I saw FF being purchased by Facebook I knew you would bolt. Not 100% surprising.
- Christopher Mercer
Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended.
- Nick in Manila
It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying.
- Igor Goldkind
It's "I'll respect you in the morning."
- Sean Gallagher
Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement
- Stephen Pickering
Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff.
- Bruce Lewis
they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down
- Steve Gillmor
Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention.
- Sean Gallagher
Hell, they keep Orkut going. Storage and bandwidth keep getting cheaper. Might as well keep this going
- Stephen Pickering
Orkut! The favorite social network of 9 out of 10 Brazilians.
- Sean Gallagher
And 9 out 10 of the best looking women!
- Stephen Pickering
True.
- Sean Gallagher
@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced
- Sidharth Dassani
Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them.
- Sean Gallagher
Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB
- Stephen Pickering
My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh.
- Sean Gallagher
"Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention" - says who? I only stepped away to pour me a nice glass of Sauvengion Blanc", and thank you Bruce for the advice I'll look into that tomorrow. After all tomorrow is another day. Twiddly Dee
- Jeunelle Foster
there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it.
- Logan Lindquist
What's the record number of comments?
- Stephen Pickering
Logan, I hope your right
- Stephen Pickering
Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened.
- Sean Gallagher
What about Identi.ca?
- Jerry Heiselman
Sean, you may even create a time machine!
- Stephen Pickering
Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle.
- metalerik
I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness
- Stephen Pickering
I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
James, Touche
- Stephen Pickering
You know Sean maybe smarter than he looks....hmmmmm :) and what's with that bird head?
- Jeunelle Foster
Quote of the Day: "Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)" - Robert Scoble
- Diego Barros
It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you.
- Sean Gallagher
That's what I want to reincarnate as....an angry poopin bird
- Jeunelle Foster
Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see....
- Bryan Thatcher
from iPhone
I hope FF doesn't go away and fold in to FB. I don't need FB. It's like bringing a machine gun to a knife fight.
- Diego Barros
I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
We'll never get to talk to Robert Scoble again. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Well, it's made me think twice about vesting too much into any one service (so has the demise of tr.im). I use Facebook, Twitter, Livejournal, and FF all pretty equally, so I guess I'm not feeling this as much as some.
- Bill Kinney
on to Google Wave.
- Jason Wilson
from BuddyFeed
Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this
- Stephen Pickering
I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend.
- Californian
Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff.
- Quasar
I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one.
- Dennis Jernberg
I really want a Google Wave invite now..
- Peter
I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ditto what Kol just said.
- LogEx
ditto on the Google wave invite
- Kim
you hit the nail on the head there Kol
- Kim
Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite.
- ★ Soner Gönül
It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me.
- Dale
Joined Posterous. http://jbug.posterous.com Wouldn't mind a Google Wave invite, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Me too, Dennis. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't leave if Facebook doesn't make something dramamatic to FF
- Kristian Salonen
I will wait and see.
- Matt G
Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I'll be sticking around just a little while longer.
- April Russo (app103)
I'm here for the duration
- Charlie Anzman
I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving.
- Jesse Stay
I'm here until they slam the gates shut. But I am hiding all your BS posts about it being a good thing :)
- jcunwired
If you want to be sure that I quit Friendfeed you have to see my burial. I will never quit while being alive! :-)
- Kolja
I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all.
- M F
I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed*
- Iain Baker
Like I said before, I'm staying here until the end.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to...
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- SteamCentral
i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer.
- Joe Silence is not dead
not leaving. NEVER hoho I haven't left FB nor friendser.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could...
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- Travis Koger
Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time.
- Travis Koger
I have to wait & see what, I don't want to lose the community; where do I go? This feels like Pownce all over!
- clarke thomas
not me.
- Edward Barnieh
Nope, not yet. I still dream about FF and FB to coexist. I think Facebook is even more boring now, after this announcement. Anyone else feels this way?
- Patrik Johansson
Not me. I will be glad when all the people who say they are leaving do so my feed won't be full of people saying they are leaving.
- Alan Simpson
What becomes of the broken hearted?
- Joe Dawson
I'm staying on!
- Charles Lau
FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed.
- Jason Miller
I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore.
- Mitch
Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account.
- Robert Scoble
won´t leave!!! i LOVE friendfeed. @Mitch i know what you mean. So many stories and this is the one they picked?
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :(
- Dani Martínez
Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest...
- Gurpreet
FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by.
- Chris Loft
Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..!
- Matt Moran
Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though
- metalerik
Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here.
- amygeek
Facebook bought friendfeed http://adage.com/digital...
- Rob Johnson
OH NO, I just finish moving all my stuff HERE!
- Terence
Robert: I closed down my embeds today. Sad for my blog.
- Mark Essel
I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.
- Emmanuel Gadenne
I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active.
- Jeremy Brooks
I will. No point sticking around when you know it is going to die sooner or later. With twitter you still have the hope....
- Davide D'Incau
I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-)
- Torrid Luna
Yeah, I'll probably leave Facebook too. If they're going to "steal" the FriendFeed functions and just let FF die, I will not have any sympathies left for Facebook. I'll go "all Google" or something.
- Patrik Johansson
I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta.
- Andy Ghozali
I joined posterous for blogging/lifestreaming and will continue to use twitter. I might go on facebook once in a while, which is what I was doing anyway.
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com
- Ben
I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets.
- Tyson Key
Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw....
- Rob Schieber
+100 Rob Schieber
- Tyson Key
I will stay. Facebook will not Win.
- TheHenry
Nope... I'll stay, even if I ride it to a bitter end.
- Mark Jepsen
depends. if they stay seperate services, i wont like the acquisition,but i'll stay. if they become 1 service, i'm out. and where is every1 going from friend feed anyhow. what else is there?
- echostreamer
Will wait and see what happens with FB
- Ted Kinzer
fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches.
- seastarerrin
I'm here till the ship goes down.
- Lee Watters
Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes.
- Martha
Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up.
- Alan Morris
I am leaving Web - Back to Telnet
- Dominique Rabeuf
Dominique, too late. The web already assimilated it with the telnet: url schema.
- Bruce Lewis
OK so only snmp/ssh
- Dominique Rabeuf
Hell no, not leaving. Best service on the web.
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
gonna ride this one out to shore.
- Sean Oliver
hu?
- Dries Grobler
back to blogs :-)
- Mostafa Lameei
I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have...
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- Dan van Moll
Minitel 3815 (?)
- Dominique Rabeuf
Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-(
- TranceMist
I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by...
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- Internet Strategist
Get angry: AT&T Changes Contract to Prevent Class Action Lawsuits (via feedly) - http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009...
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and yet, we all keep paying them. Seriously, the only way to get our point across is to leave. I've got my eye on October, (or whenever the Hero comes out on Sprint.)
- Dan
October is my exit date too. My involvement with them predates the iPhone by 2 years and will all be in the past.. Sad they don't see the train wreck a comin'
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
This won't stand. Lawyers would never limit the rights of other lawyers to sue.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
You can never waive the right to sue. Sure, they can put anything they want in there, but if you actually file a suit, and they try to stop it based on this sort of thing, the judge will simply laugh in their face. Those clauses are scare tactics, nothing more. Now, sometimes a judge will say you have to *try* arbitration before you sue, but you can still come back and sue later. Also,...
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- Otto
I'll be happy when the web gets over this URL shortening phase. Clicking links blind on Twitter is a crapshoot every time. Now we finally get to see what happens when a million links go dark.
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It's going to be unfortunate that, several years from now, 2008-2010 (or later) will just be a giant black hole in the internet's archive.
- Mark Trapp
I've got a crazy idea for URL shortening: Sites need to *stop making really complex URLs for stupid, simple things*!
- Joel Webber
Joel, I wish that was the only use case people have been assigning URL shorteners: people, for some reason, use them as a poor man's Google Analytics too. Even on the URL shortening aspect, unless the URL is less than 20 characters, for a lot of people, it'd be too long regardless of your URL structure. URL shortening is a classic case of the road to ruin being paved with good intentions.
- Mark Trapp
+1 for simple URLs. IMHO, a very important part of site design (these things are long-lived, people!)
- Matt Mastracci
I used this app for Twitter called Brizzly , It shows the full url version instead of shorter one. Currently it is in beta version. I don't like url shortners but I think it would be nice if they showed the original link when mouse is hovered over them.
- ashish
There are content shortener providers and social content providers (e.g. ff) that are considering removing or re-shortening these urls. Ff just unwraps them, yes? Twitter should do the same for old tr.im urls. Except it will break their 140 limit. All in all saving the link data would require a community effort. I'm not convinced it's worthwhile.
- Robert Konigsberg
FriendFeed just changes how the anchor text is displayed: the href is still the shortened URL. But presumably, if they took the time to resolve a shortened URL so they could change the anchor text, they might be storing that data so that they could replace the shortened URLs in hrefs with the real ones in a worst-case scenario (like tr.im going dark).
- Mark Trapp
Of course someone saving the service is another option I hadn't thought of that until reading the recent suggestion. Is that worthwhile? Hard to tell.
- Robert Konigsberg
The net is transient regardless. How many of your bookmarks from 2000 still work today?
- alphaxion
And then there's the rickrolling issue.
- Rubin Sfadj
Exactly the reason why I proposed the Asterisk Initiative: http://www.corebasis.com/2009...
- Henning von Vogelsang
I like the asterisk idea, but the use of the asterisk symbol is wrought with problems due to its use in a great many other places and vernacular. I think the guy suggesting ^ is on the right track.
- alphaxion
Twitter Cops: http://www.youtube.com/watch... protecting people from posts that know ones want to read...
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New blog post: you are SO unfollowed! http://scobleizer.com/2009... I'll follow on FriendFeed anyone who comments here:
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Follow me!
- TheHenry
TheHenry: I already am! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Please don't unfollow me!! :)
- Carlo Nasuti
Very interesting approach Robert. If it is working for you that is awesome though. Hope all is well. Give Roc a big hug for me.
- C.C. Chapman
Yo...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Not too much unfollowing please.
- Tim
i'm in
- Tai Hsia
Can you follow me?
- Giorgio
ok I'll allow you
- Derry O Donnell
What's going on here?
- Andru Edwards
I think you're already following me Robert.
- Andrew Leahey
well ok )
- Denverken
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
- Robert Kenney
[comments here]
- Nick Humphries
I will comment here! :)
- John Ptacek
Great blog appreciate all of your "likes" that I would not have noticed before. Thanks for all the time you spend educating us.
- Gary Prechtel
auto-follow always seemed like a bad idea. people can always msg you but your stream will get totally cluttered if you dont do a little bit of housekeeping.
- William Kapes
"baby I'm a star" -Prince (off purple rain)
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
novel approach, seems sound
- Danny Ayers
Consider me available for following. :-)
- Eric D. Wilson
Okay, I'll bite..
- Tanya
Bring it Scobleizer.
- Todd Pringle
I agree, Twitter is much better this way.
- Ryan W
I appreciate your work, and your passion for social media.
- Evan Travers
sounds simple...
- Mateo Yadarola
Scoble follow me baby
- Jadito
Oh you are getting quite a response here!!!! I'm commenting so you'll follow me but the thing is you're going to LIKE following me because you'll learn all about Sedona through tons of videos and you'll love it so much you'll want to pack your camera and head out here! =)
- SedonaTV
Thanks for the mentions, Robert (and you know I'm not commenting just for the follow - I just like to follow you, which is what counts!)
- Jesse Stay
Actually Robert, now I've seen you've tidied up your twitter, I'll probably follow you there again too. :-)
- Tim
hey follow me scoble
- Andy Jenks
Meh, who cares really, not like you read everyone you followed. Plus unfollowed you anyways, not like you have to say that's interestined except friendfeed spam.
- Steve
joining the crowd - good move Robert.
- Adam
follow me
- Tai Hsia
welcome to Boulder
- Andrew Hyde
@scobleizer just created the most important tech follow list on Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
aww shucks, and here I was thinking it was just me who you unfollowed.
- Jess Sloss
I underwent the same situation, Robert - I unfollowed almost everybody on Twitter who duplicated their accounts here on FrF. I got a tempest of fury for this action. web3 is too personal still ))
- massagin
Scoble in Boulder = Trouble.
- Jim Halligan @jim
I feel fortunate that you're still subbed to me on FF. I haven't even noticed whether you unfollowed me on Twitter. But you following me, still hasn't gotten me the chicks. :P Always fun seeing your posts, long as you don't block me, it doesn't matter if you follow me or not. :)
- Arlan Koizumi
I did the same thing some weeks ago after avoiding twitter because it got too noisy. It was instantly better. But in the mean time I started to use FF more and I like it better here so I hardly go near twitter now.
- Murray Barton
You already follow me here on ff, which i use more than twitter.
- dthree
What's up?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
Hey Robert, so for following >1,600 is it that right way taken by Philtro and Filttr?
- Martin Adamek
I'm glad you mentioned Loic, he caught a lot of flack for doing this earlier.
- Steven Cains
Hey Robert - fight the tweetspam !
- Michael Neale
Don't think you are following me on Twitter anymore..please do and best regards
- Karma Martell
I'm still trying to figure out the following... so I'm watching how you do it scoble.
- Matthew Schrock
Good plan. I'm looking forward to your results. I'm trying to figure out all these social media elements. I would appreciate your Twitter follow.
- David Stanley
hope this new approach works for you!
- timepilot
Oh, so now you are only easy on FF.
- James Watters
Odd internal response, I don't follow everyone who follows me cuz of the very noise you talk about. And, there's no good reason for you to follow me since I'm unlikely to deliver news of interest to you. And yet, here I am, posting on FriendFeed so you have the OPTION of following me, a stranger who is not the same kind of SMART as you. Who'd have thought...
- Della Mauler
Interesting statement about original content value of FF independent of twitter. Twitter is where you keep your noise level down...
- James Watters
This seems like asking for trouble to me, Scoble. But, it's your time and bandwith to do with what you will. Since only a handful of people (by that I think I mean just one) follow me on Twitter, it's pretty easy for me to weed out the bots. The people I follow are my internet nerds (mostly the Rev 3 crew) so I know their interests are in line with mine. Hit me up for some edifying conversations about Lost and video games, Robert.
- Jeremiah Green
Here you go Robert! [also via twitter: @Scobleizer Therefore: only approx. 1.7 million "active" human @Twitter users contribute 50%+ of all activity, right? #engagement] Regards, @AAinslie
- Alexander Ainslie
The green avatar is so disturbing mate. :)
- Jordan Windebank
I'll lead, you follow. So where are we going?
- Tom Sheppard
I was sad to see you unfollowed me, but now you may follow me again, so all will be well in the world.
- Jodi
following the leader...
- John Munro
You're still following me - does that mean I'm a smart feller? ;)
- Brett Kelly
so glad I mail Robert a business card every month :)
- Christian Anderson
Della: the thing is here I can follow you and put you into a list and watch you less frequently than some of my other people. So everyone wins. But only here on FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Some of us have been doing this from our start. Kind of cool, eh? But our numbers don't grow quickly so we were tagged as "slow." Nice to see you catch up with us! Also, this may shock you, there sre folks who follow and communicate with only 3 folks on twitter and they are HAPPY! Imagine....
- lynda spangler
Yay. Now he will follow a librarian.
- joe is...
Follow this dot!!! .
- Bwana ☠
I've long thought the entire Twitter "etiquette" of always following who follows you to be a bit of a folly. I'm following 114 at the moment, and the stream still moves too fast for me to keep up with.
- Darren Landrum
Comment!
- anna sauce
ok
- Vasu Srinivasan
Good test, count me in... I don't follow tons of people, I follow a few prolific Scoble-types and the rest are more focused in areas I'm interested in.
- David Ziembicki
I'm not following tons of people, just a select few. More to follow on FB when facebook has completely integrated Friendfeed-funcionality. ;-)
- Wolfgang G. Wettach
I only follow people I know or have something interesting to say, did you really have 160000 people that said something worthwhile???
- Gerard van Schip
Well I commented via your Blog so instead of repeating myself I'll link to comment http://disq.us/1ms9
- Keith - @tsudo
Gerard: everyone says something worthwhile once in a while. The trick is to see it when it happens. Here on FriendFeed, by the way, you have a better shot because good stuff usually gets liked and commented on, so it pulls up higher into my view.
- Robert Scoble
come join us here folks http://ff.im/6dUHN xxx
- Mark
Okay. But will you read and comment on my stuff?
- Mellissa Claus
Robert, I posted this after Loic's decision and it looks like it will need another update. http://www.knowthenetwork.com/blog... I think there is value in stating your follow policy.
- Keith - @tsudo
cool
- Zach Cheatham
Hello?
- Vicky
following all the discussion of you unfollowing everyone on twitter has made me think about doing the same thing and starting fresh.
- (jeff)isageek
not unless we beat you in the Ashes
- Mark
Nice post Robert, and no surprise it's an improvement. ;o) I have seen it for me too.
- Rob Sellen :o)
1 thing I find Robert still worth following @Scobleizer when I am not on friendfeed & on my Hootsuite or PeopleBrowsr. therefore not much affected, not much 2 bother me, ego not gone at all. luv your post Robert it is a frank posting
- polou/indigo_bow
Follow me Robert, I promise I'm not annoying. :) @cluteman
- Greg Clute
from iPhone
You've piqued my curiosity.
- Kathy
Robert, thank you! I follow you and enjoy your "likes" and your energetic takes. I also enjoy your Building43 interviews! I am a constant FriendFeed user now. Thank you!
- Tobin Truog
This made me realise I must be more active on FF and comment/post more :-).
- Mats Pettersson
I think I'll give FriendFeed a go! Never tried it, but looks easy and I need to understand the interwebs better. @CodeSamurai_Com
- CodeSamurai
butt-kissing is not a prerequisite for being followed, he will follow you anyways :D
- Mark
Count me in! (Please??)
- Ricky Maveety
lol @mark. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
You can follow me, but since you follow a lot of people, you probably can't pay attention to the stream of tweets.
- Alex Knight
Alex..that's the WHOLE point he did this... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
IMHO 1,647 is still way too many people to follow.
- Alex Knight
I will NOT get baited into ... ah CRAP. I follow very few people on twitter, mainly only to find info from Android developers (my topic of choice). If you mention anything about the food you are currently eating, etc.. you will probably not be followed. If you post 80,000 times a day, you will not be followed, since Twitters interface sucks (not so for FF). Also, no offense to other social users, but if you resend your FF/FB/<insert other social site here> entries to twitter, I probably won't follow.
- Tim Hoeck
http://socialspark.com/blogs... Chris Pirillo is Scum.
- Mark
good move IMO
- Joanna Nicol
Love the post, love the response.
- Chris Rogers
from BuddyFeed
nice hanging out at with beach w/ you last week! follow moi!!!
- Raina Lee
I always feel like scoble's following me
- Rodney J Woodruff
from iPhone
Don't forget your Dunbar number, Scoble! There are only so many people you can have meaningfully connect with online.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Mark is right. No butt kissing. Ew.
- Robert Scoble
"I always feel like, somebody's watching me..."
- Wizetux
Comment!!!! Ohh wait but you already follow me...
- Amit Nangare
Follow me, if you aren't already....please. Thanks,
- Steve de Mena
here is my comment ZOL
- Shane Gibson
Comment? What kind of coomment, Robert? :-)
- Mitch Featherston
Whoop there it is! On Twitter @jimgoldstein
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Oh..Oh... Mr. Kotter...Mr Kotter..follow me!
- Scott Booher
Glad to see you're writing more than 140 characters on that blog. Doesn't that feel liberating? Maybe we should be allowed character# based on your metric for powerful/smart/newsmaker
- Noah Bloom
You already follow me here on FF, for which I thank you. So, I'll just say thanks for the phone call the other day. :)
- Jeff Harbert
I'll take a follow!
- Jeff Weber
@shaunhess
- Shaun Hess
Ok, so follow me again and I will follow you back. Thanks!
- Audrey
Robert - I fail on most of your criteria so I'm not expecting you to follow me. The thing is I don't care if you follow me back - this is social media and everyone has their own choice. I choose to follow you because you entertain and inform me. The relationship is 100% one way and I am more than happy with that!
- Pon
Robert - Last night at GDGT Party the person at the Blackberry booth said: 1) She had 'heard of Twitter, never friend feed' uses neither 2) Is SCOBLE is coming tonight 3) Wow, your Blackberry is really "archaic" and find out when contract lets you upgrade. F-D UP? Booth babes need primers.
- Liza
Interesting theory... people who comment more apt to contribute?
- Mark Philpot
I know someone else who tried this strategy last year, with similar results. I've been debating it. Once I got over 3K followers on Twitter life just got weird. Started to spend X amount of time every day blocking porn spam.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Liza: yeah, sorry for not coming to the party. I went and saw Obama's CTO instead.
- Robert Scoble
Steve Lynch: my Dunbar number is higher than yours is. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice summary Robert on the whole Unfollow thing, but would it be too repetitive if I re-post on my FF?
- Keith Rowland
What is the best friend feed aggregation strategy of non-friend streams (eg RSS, twitter, etc)? Imaginary friend per service, then add to lists? Multiple services per imaginary friend or 1 to 1? Or add the services to a group? What are the considerations?
- John Brown
Keith: you can repost anywhere you like, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
I'm in!
- Craig Shipp
still wondering how you are able to handle such a big load of subscribers here and e.g. so many followers with twitter o_0. I am already (sometimes) lost with the few i got till now. Lately with one sweep almost 40 to 50 contacts in twitter disappeard and i have no clue why ... boah, how are you handling the noise? Hell, with so many ppl in, you might have a terrific noise? Or you wear just good headphones ;)?
- Ronald
I very much agree that being choosy is the key to Twitter. I'm not nearly on the scale that you are, but in my experience, freely following people (whetther they follow me or not) and then mercilessly cutting back on them over and over again results in a kind of darwinianly better and better signal to noise ratio.
- Tim Maly
Touche!
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Count me in
- Johnny
Hi Robert
- Randy Allen Bishop
Liked the blog post and totally agree. I've been meaning to do something similar. What I do is occasionally prune and then add some "better" replacements, so my total is always 2000 follows.
- Bora Zivkovic
I don't see how anyone can manage so many users without groups. Then again, with groups you could just make an "ignore" group.
- Oscar M. Cantu
from iPhone
Great blog post. I totally agree on the noise level. I figure I have blocked a few hundred accounts on Twitter, and my noise level has dropped dramatically. Thanks for the follow!
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
Hello Hello!
- Sam Goldfield
Robert - I figured you were in DC from FF, but she had NO IDEA what a CTO is. Point is, she was eager to give you a Blackberry, but not me, and I wish I had a Scoble costume to pretend for 5 minutes.
- Liza
@Robert I think you are starting another mass follow again.
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Steve: that's not the problem. As long as spam doesn't enter the system I can deal. Keep in mind here I can choose how I follow. I can put you all in a folder that I never look at, if I wanted to.
- Robert Scoble
my feelings were hurt that you unsubscribed to me on twitter, but i agree with your methods
- Brian Appleby
I'm in!
- Chris Rossini
Brian, yeah, but I follow you here. So there.
- Robert Scoble
really doesn't matter as long as i can follow you, that's the beauty of these services
- Brian Appleby
How did you come to follow so many to begin with? I get annoyed with ppl and unfollowing is easier than sifting through their garbage constantly.
- R1CC1
Autofollow was a horrible idea to begin with.
- David Chieng
I kind of tired to keep an eye on who follows me now,the ones I'm following is much more important.:-)
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Whoa lots of comments I'm following you longtime lol
- Edgar Rodríguez
from iPhone
Robert: we need more intelligent spam-follower-filtering on Twitter! We need to fix this.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
@David +1 I think auto follow is such a bad idea to begin with,and people like Robert now even need to pay to unfollow these people.
- Steve Chou
from IM
How much did SocialToo charge for running the unfollow script?
- Shane
I'm in!
- rich brant
from iPhone
I heard its 25 dollars.
- Steve Chou
from IM
I've always been very picky in who I follow on twitter. I follow 40 people, and I can't guarantee that I see every single tweet. I don't scroll back usually, unless it's my "Real Life" column in Tweetdeck that couldn't fit on my screen.
- Tom Ribbens
My birthday is also January 18th, therefore you must follow me Robert! ;)
- Chris Luckhardt
from BuddyFeed
Thanks Steve! $25 is pretty reasonable. Wonder if anyone else will be jumping on the bandwagon
- Shane
Haha....I also threw the devil horns for Scobleizer...that should count for something. ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Chris Luckhardt
from BuddyFeed
OK, let's try it! And what about Twitter?
- Alexei Zheglov
Thanks for your post. Last time I checked you follow me here on FriendFeed. OK not to follow me on Twitter.
- Pilgrim Five
Smart way to clean house.
- Jeremy Chone
u have already subscribing me although i am just a-staying-at-home mum =)). thanx scoble. u are really a nice geek. haha!
- zʍıɔ
Let's do it.
- Kate
this is like an awesome commentfest
- Edgar Rodríguez
You can follow me, but I never say anything. Oh.. wait....
- James Macgill
follow me!
- Tate DA FF MVP
from BuddyFeed
Sometimes the tortoise beats the hare after all... building organically based on getting to know people and interactions tends to avoid the ghastly spammers, seo peeps and bots
- Sally Church
Tap, tap... is this thing on?
- Yanik Falardeau
This is the best place to follow you. On twitter you only see post headlines, but friendfeed is where the conversation takes place.
- Michael Fidler
Ah crap. You're already following me :)
- Jason Nunnelley
I'm outside your sphere, but bootstrapping is bootstrapping right?
- Travis Bedard
Tuesday night for the first time in 2 months I UNfollowed everyone on Twitter who wasn't following me. Since you had UNfollowed me, yup I unfollowed you. My Twitter account is so /FUBARed! It only goes to page 506 to show who I'm following and after that it is BLANK! I don't even know if they show in my Home stream. So Robert, I value what you say. Know I can tweet profusely - but it's as @replies to others with the occasional micro-blog thrown in. Question, what DID I do to cause you to UNfollow me?
- Arleen Anderson
I hope you'll follow me...
- Shane Tilton
Follow me, eh?
- Joey Gibson
Trying to fill out those dropped Twitter follows?
- Jamie Elgie
Scoble: Have you convinced Guy Kawasaki against his "follow everyone that follows you" mentality?
- Kevin Pruett
please do what you must to have the most effecient feed mr scoble, the random will still creep through the cracks, ;)
- chaz2b
I still haven't really adopted FriendFeed, but I will get interesting here in time if you follow me.
- Lance M. Brown
How are your cleanup efforts coming along?
- Jennifer Ruggiero
Oops - I also meant to ask, Robert: how are you managing to follow the couple thousand that you are now re-following on Twitter? You must be using groups, I guess...any other methods? I find ~500 people to be a near max in terms of how many folks I can fully read.
- Lance M. Brown
Following your inspiration, I unfollowed almost 100 people last night and blocked about 1000 spammers, cam girls, MLM marketers, and the like. Twitter is more like it was a year ago, its almost like I gave my Twitter account an enema and it worked. Thanks for the original idea.
- Mark Edwards
Excellent!
- Don Strickland
Robert, I started out only following those I know and those I am genuinely interested in. I've only followed back a few of the people who've followed me. I have a second account that I decided to experiment with. I followed about 700 people on there. It has had about double the followers of my main account consistently. I am about to try some new tricks there with an auto-follow script I'm writing but I think I will stay the course with my main account.
- Paul The Raven
Robert, I tried the "follow everyone" (almost) method for a short time - then I'd unfollow about once-a-week. Now I try to schedule a "follow new" once a week. TweetDeck's group feature makes following lots of folks bearable. So does FF, but you've been saying that for-ever!
- Kathy E Gill
I am just taking it slow.
- Rick Cogley
from iPhone
Hey.
- Kreg Steppe
I will follow you if you follow me (Genesis)
- Keith Barrett
I may not be smart, but I'm smart enough to follow you!
- John Pfaff
It occurred to me (and surely to someone before me), that different definitions of "following" might be a big factor here. If I'm following someone, it means I'm following along with their updates. But others might see themselves more as becoming part of a person's "following". Not that they are necessarily reading the person's stuff, but they are willing to be considered part of that person's inflated Twitter posse, as part of the influence-trading aspect of Twitter.
- Lance M. Brown
Robert, I think that the biggest thing that changed is not that you were "wrong" (to follow everyone) before but that the Twitter population has changed so much. A year ago, pretty much everyone on Twitter was real, and interesting - now there's so much automated gaming the system going on that the signal to noise ratio has gotten unbearable. So I think anyone who cares about more than...
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- Matthew Blaisdell
I can't imagine how it would happen technologically, but it would be great if there was a way to ditch followers who weren't actually reading your tweets.
- Lance M. Brown
Enjoyed recent posts and look forward to more from you! Keep it up.
- One Degree Connected
I don't want to be left out please!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Your most active followers are on FF. No loss.If you really wanted to make a bold statement you ought to have blocked all of your followers and started from scratch.
- Benjamin Taylor
Been a while since I put you and Shel On the record...Online
- Eric Schwartzman
blah.
- imabonehead
Good article Robert. I honestly enjoyed the perspective. I found the same to be true, but on a much lower scale, of course ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
i'm in!
- Criz
I don't get it - so now you are using Twitter kinda like a normal person, and its some kind of miracle that it works better?
- Nick Lothian
I'm impressed you can keep up with 1600 people. I have trouble enough with the little amount I have. I did find that making FriendFeed imaginary friends and putting them in groups for those I'd like to read occasionally (but not on a regular basis) has helped a lot
- Tamara
Follow....how about some promotion!
- Bob DeMarco
i'm in
- Joshua Smith
from twhirl
9/11 Was an Inside Job
- bill giltner
Stop it, or I will have to get a restraining order.
- Sriks7
In my mind I'm important enough to follow ;-)
- Jonathan Callahan
Hello Robert....Whatever your favorite genre is...http://listen.grooveshark.com/#...
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Looks like you have a lot of work to do following everybody.
- Corbett Barr
now i'll have to write something interesting...
- Robert Littlejohn
me! i offer nothing but the warm feeling of having accepted a ff reject.
- Marco
ok. so how will you filter the noise now
- Kfir Pravda
Ooo, I've won the lottery. You'll follow me now. Wheeee! (how do you have the time to go through all of the names by hand? VA assistance?)
- Peggy Dolane
Great :)
- Baard @ Pixum
Interesting trend on twitter - I always wondered what sense it made to follow tens of thousands of people, too much noise. I'm finding it hard enough to follow 2900 (looking to cull even that down as I mostly tweet about 30 people!)
- Tia Singh, Life Coach
211th comment: WTF
- Geer
Good :)
- ★ Soner Gönül
I like your ability to influence so many people. I'm following you (mostly here - on FriendFeed) because it's one of the ways to learn how you do it (but, please, do not follow me if you do not see anything you could learn from me :-).
- Hanna Wiszniewska
I would come up w/ a better vetting process.
- Joe
why would you do that?
- james
got to get a pic up so i can fit the criteria, I only follow 45 people and some of them are on thin ice ( Im lookin at you Scoble)
- James Hunter
"Where in The Net is Robert San Diego?" (cit.) :-)
- Luca Perugini
from iPhone
I'm not kissing your arse,but i do learn a lot listening to you.
- Paul Downing
@scobleizer why would you randomly follow people who comment in this post when you just got done knocking FFollo and having to unfollow a gazillion people on Twitter?
- Bryan Zirkel
Bryan: because I'm following people one by one and putting them into lists on my screen. Autofollowing means you aren't doing ANY of that thinking. Also, autofollowing will get you spammers, if they ever show up (and they will).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Read your blogpost and that's indeed what I look at to follow people too. No autofollow and even close friends have to tell something interesting for me to (keep) following. Friends who are new to Twitter (no tweets yet) get the benefit of doubt.
- Patrick Mackaaij
If you follow me, great, but if you don't I'll understand. :) And I ought to do some pruning myself...
- Grant Bierman
Let's give it a try. :0)
- Toma Kazakov
I still don't understand how you want to follow someone who just writes a comment over here. Well, this is not the first time. I did not understand why and how you followed 100k people. I find it hard to properly follow 100 people.
- Sumanth Kolar
Sumanth: obviously there are degrees of "following." When you read the New York Times, do you read the entire paper word for word? I don't. Same when I'm following. I only get random slices of some of my lists. Others, which have 500 people on them, get 100% read.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still here . . . although tired after teaching all day. Louis Gray came to my PR class at SFSU and WOWED the 50 students [except for one who thinks we are making too much of social media] We won't be following him.
- Shari Weiss
I like cheese!
- Paul Puri
Shari: Louis wows me too. Glad to see the class is getting into it.
- Robert Scoble
He he :)
- Richard Holas
I still like the "stranger stream" of Twitter vs "friend feed" of other applications. I don't feel the need to read all tweets from everybody - and tools let me check my fave tweeples. I think mass unfollowing destroys some of the social contract - Robert you are lucky because you are well liked and can do some risky things but companies for example (not Brands of One) would be in...
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- Laurel Papworth
As @charleneli predicted back in January, 2009 will be the year of de-friending on social networks. It's here.
- Mark Evans
Laurel: yeah, you have to navigate these waters carefully if you are representing a brand, that's for sure!
- Robert Scoble
you can put me on your boring list...
- Charles Tanton
i will not get followed back: not powerful, don't have a brand, not a news maker... but i kinda understand the reasons
- Dani Martínez
I still think it all goes into how you use twitter. If your using it as a communication tool it depends on if you are looking for broadcast or 2 way. Its interesting to watch as some of the bigger names turn back from the broadcast and go back to the 2 way.
- Luke Kilpatrick
@Robert so when you're taking in information from FF do you have a feed of several dozen/hundred "key" people and then categorize the rest, or are you mainly searching? Do you utilize groups at all or mainly just rely on what comes across your feeds? I guess I'm curious as to how you're using FF to collect information.
- Bryan Zirkel
I have found Twitter becomes noise rather than a conversation once the following/follower thing gets over a certain mark. I think this is the dirty little secret of Twitter - if it just turns into white noise, rather than a filter, then it becomes less than useful.
- Michael Liss
I'm interested in how we'll all feel over the next few years as social networks continue to change and more people and organizations get on them. Obviously, many of us are getting fed up with spammers and are unfollowing them on Twitter and Facebook. I am also having a hard time keeping up with new subscribers on FriendFeed because I know less about them from their profiles and have to...
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- Cathryn Hrudicka
BTW, I feel like I'm finding lots of interesting new people to follow from these discussions that Robert and others are holding on FF. Cool!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Am I too late to comment and get followed?
- Hichame Assi
I'm definitely around :)
- KyNam Doan
Aren't you following me already? If not, you should be! LoL
- Thomas Ward
I'm definitely late to be followed. :D
- Faraz Mullick
I don't get it but ok :)
- Parvez Halim
LOL! I follow those I find interesting and which can give me useful information. And hope someone follows me for the same reasons.
- Flavio
Very interesting post - I've always thought that you guys who follow loads of people must get completely swamped by noise! Like you, I've found it useful to follow companies I use that have interesting products like Zoho and Evernote as a way of keeping up to date with their latest innovations. Excellent idea spelling out your "follow criteria" - it needs to become standard etiquette for social networks so that people don't get offended when they aren't followed back :) .
- David Meredith
aren't you doing the same thing here, that you did in Twitter? Choose carefully who you follow, filling your brain with pollution doesn't make you smarter
- Allison
Just finished reading the Mashable post on your unfollow exercise. It's attracting attention from all the other big names now.
- George Hall (Australia)
Very interesting indeed, I only to unfollow a few, cause I just never had auto follow on.. So now I just unfollow the ones I'm bored of..
- Jaap Willem
Seems like a good idea. Although Louis Gray also has a few valid points on his latest blog post why it might be a mistake http://bit.ly/19UKxk
- Silver Hage
I've never understood the auto-follow procedure on any social network. Even on Facebook, where it is obligatory, one can still lower the noise by simply hiding the updates of those who want to follow you, but perhaps also have little personal connection and therefore can be hidden.
- Noah Gray
It seems like the unfollowing was the easy part. Choosing who to follow again must have been a chore. I think it is crucial in twitter (and FriendFeed for that matter) to have a clear out every six months or so otherwise you get bogged down in an information feed you don't really care about.
- Chris Nixon
I can totally understand why you had to do this. I'm following 2700-ish folks on Twitter and I need 3 groups to manage it (using TweetDeck). I feel I am keeping up with most of my local community and the general tech community at large though I'm sure I'm still missing quite a bit of stuff from people who are not in the 3 groups. I also wonder how much more I can actually handle.
- Ken Seto
Um... well, I made something of myself, but then I didn't like what I made, so now I'm doing it all over again. Not sure how that fits with your criteria! Plus, I really don't have a brand or any influence to speak of. I do look great in boxers, however.
- Mark Jepsen
OK, OK, changed my picture. Instead of a green clock (a clock is my personal brand) I put a picture of myself. A lot of people told me to do that....
- Bora Zivkovic
I am still looking for info on holographic technology being used for news delivery. Perhaps it's a technology that hasn't even been invented yet or is sitting on a shelf somewhere. What say you? http://specialdee.wordpress.com/2009...
- Denise
Hoping your new look account has had the desired effect. No need to follow me, I'm not the interesting type, I'll just be glad if your insights, links & content continues. Congrats & good luck
- JanLawrence
Here's what's interesting, Robert, I've noticed an uptick in followers even if you reply or RT or like someone's tweet, not just if you follow that person. Then again, perhaps that's the intent - if you like or RT someone's idea, that's a kind of stamp of approval.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Hej hej!
- Peter
The Scoble Pendulum.. How long till we go back to FOLLOW!! FOLLOW!!! FOLLOW!!!! ? :)
- Adrian Scicluna
I did a purge on Facebook for the same reasons a few months ago. It's under 300 and it's people I actually care about. I've come "this close" to running a purge on Twitter but haven't yet. Maybe this will spark me to do it. I've kept FF tight from the beginning.
- Rob Williams
moving from FB to FF ... fewer, longer, more meaningful threads. welcoming your follow. cheers
- marc calamia
ok, you´re following me already :-)
- Torsten Eckert
alright - follow me... - thx in advance Robert Scoble...
- Nilesh
All that commenting in the past counts for nothing?
- Kevin Gamble
Hey Robert... Great post... On FriendFeed, I increasingly put people without meaningful and valuable content on a separate feed that I rarely check... Its a more "sensible" way to unfollow, i think... I only unsubscribe if I get pissed at someone etc. I wish, FF gave users the option to only unsubscribe from comments and likes (but keep the main feed). This would be a good tool to control the noise...
- Onur Kabadayi
I agree with Robert (duh!). I very briefly made the effort of checking out the new follows and deciding whether to follow back. I think once I hit a thousand I shifted to a model of occasionally saying, "If you want me to follow you, talk to me." Hit two thousand and quit saying anything or checking followers. I don't care if they follow me as long as they either say useful things like real people or don't talk at all. I've never autofollowed back. This strategy works for me.
- Patricia F. Anderson
I have a large difference between people I follow (around 2000) and people who follow me (around 1800) - I choose people who are important sources of information. People choose me if they think I am an important source of information to them. I never thought it would have to be a one-to-one relationship as to who is useful to whom: some are informative, others are good listeners and learners. I learn from people I follow and I hope my followers learn from me.
- Bora Zivkovic
I also think that those of us who follow larger numbers of people don't use the stream in the same way. It is more dipping in and out of the stream, trusting that the important stuff will be repeated enough to float to the top, engaging with conversations of the moment. I wrote a blogpost on this earlier this year: http://etechlib.wordpress.com/2009...
- Patricia F. Anderson
Someone told me twitter can be separated into two types. (id say at least two)
- Kay Proskin
Scoble, I am beginning to think you are a cult leader :). Look at all these comments! I am using FF more and more these days... Useful for eGuiders.com that's for sure.
- Marc Ostrick
I'm not sure your following me.
- Amit Morson
Hey Scobie :D Follow me !
- paniaguai
I like Robert. He was one of the first people I followed on Twitter and brought me to FF. But I don't understand why people are desperate to have him follow them. Status? Some kind of virtual autograph?
- Tech Introvert
What the heck. Follow me if you like. I'll be as entertaining & informative as I can.
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
Been considering doing the same. Your post just might be the flame that lights a fire you-know-where to get it done.
- Kate
Well done! Who need followers that aren't reading your tweets anyway.
- Sean Rasmussen
I just want a toaster!
- aTechDude
I'm considering doing same once I'm more confident in my use of FriendFeed. I RT'd this and it resonated with at least one of my followers.
- Tony Hollingsworth
'Hand-crafted personal network' is the meme of the moment, and whilst I can see the workmanship, where's the value going to be for you, Robert, in following this rag-tag (no offence people :) ) of folks from a gazillion different verticals. (OK, so they're mostly life scientists).
- Andrew Spong
I use to want to be Bob Dylan. Now I am not so sure.
- aTechDude
um.....
- Spencer
My take: you can't be an authentic, credible voice to your community if you let 'sex & dollars' spammers hang on to your coattails. Spam followers matter.... in a bad way. Allowing them to be associated with you diminishes your potential value to genuine followers. It's a pain. It takes time. It's worth doing. More on this, if interested: http://tr.im/vJwb
- Andrew Spong
I'll have mine to go.
- aTechDude
Hope to see more "old fashioned blogging", like it better than tweets. Tweets are bound to disappear into oblivion the moment they're posted.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
"Spam followers matter.... in a bad way." - I certainly agree with this. I block pornbots just as quickly as they follow me. I'm less vigilant about the commercial follows, but usually they go away by themselves after a while.
- John Craft
You're already following me here (don't care about twitter tough), so i just hope you don't un-follow, even though you probably don't understand what i'm talking about most of the time, since it's in portuguese.
- Diego Sana
So what happened to the advantages to following so many people you always talked about?
- Bas
Thanks for connecting here, still learning all the advantages of FF
- carece
@Andrew Regarding spam followers and the idea that allowing them to follow you somehow dilutes your credibility, I just have to disagree. To me that places the burden on the wrong person. I don't have time to waste pruning those who follow me, unless they are overtly annoying.My stream is public, they can follow me anyway. What matters to me is that the spammers leave me alone. If they don't, I block them. If they keep quiet, I don't care.
- Patricia F. Anderson
What is important is not who follows me, but who *I* follow.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Follow me if you want, but I gotta warn ya, it's scintillating stuff!
- Pierce Presley
Funny my twitter feed is much noisier but I have been very selective on who I follow. I have tried to make the feed relevant and actionable. At times I post things that seem out of the norm on my twitter feed but that is mainly for the few people who follow me that don't get it but I am trying to keep up their interest level. I also control who follows me, yes this breaks the model but I think the follow everyone model was broken and reckless
- Richard Gallo
Am I interesting? Dunno. I'm often controversial, tho. ;) BTW, we met in person at a Pittsburgh Blogfest, but I really don't expect you to remember that.
- Eric Williams
Enjoyed the post. I just started Twitter a few days ago to get away from Facebook. I like friendfeed the best - can't wait until it becomes more mainstream.
- Robby Parker
Awesome move. Consider that my comment please :)
- Charlotte Barker
friendfeed is definitively more evolved that Twitter. Conversely, user bases of Twitter is still its real (and unique) point of strenght...
- Marco Castellani
Don't want you to follow me (unless you find my stream of interest) but it's quite interesting the number of people that comment to get you to follow!
- Ben Drury
Hey Robert! So, I would like to talk to you about a social media company I'm working with right now. They launched a few months ago and their trajectory and momentum is pretty amazing. Oh, and I started unfollowing the noise in my Twitter after I commented on your blog post.
- Gregg Le Blanc
I'm asking the same thing Bas asked... what about your video on the benefits of following so many people? I took a stab at that method of madness by starting to follow all kinds of people, and following anyone that followed me... but I always felt like I was missing good content from good people because of all the "spam". I started to use TweetDeck to create groups/columns for...
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- Timothy Federwitz
@Patricia - reminds me that I should probably review all my twitter followers and thin things down. :)
- JA Castillo
thanks
- Keith
I like conversing with interesting people. Sometimes that means commenting to get followed, @cogiva. ;)
- Eric Williams
Hi Scoble!
- Pete Gilbert
I did almost the same thing - unfollowed about 1000 from my 1500, no attention is way better
- Maarten den Braber
Couldn't agree more. It's about time we all grew up. BTW Don't follow me. :-)
- Gee Ranasinha
Robert what's the deal with Twitter?
- stockmanmarc
Your post makes good sense. I didn't auto-follow & still find folks to unfollow because their noise gets too loud.
- Debra Ellis
Very clever. I imagine the signal to noise is sooooo much better.
- Chris Brogan
I've been thinking about unfollowing a bunch twitter folks as well. I'll look at SocialToo again. My initial experience with SocialToo wasn't good. However, it was during their infancy.
- Ron Hudson
I don't blame you at all. Leo was all over that yesterday.
- Daniel B. Honigman
why would simply leaving a comment prompt you to follow me?
- David Wescott
You're not going to change your mind and mass unfollow us are you?
- walidmREALTOR
Sup! :-)
- Jon Winters
I suspect it identifies you as a real person interested in dialog, David.
- Eric Williams
Followers are currency and you have plenty to spend
- Lee Odden
Bob, did you do anything on Twitter recently ? Did you massively refollow people ? Seems like you screwed up Twitter : down for a while... ;-)
- Enikao
Follow me! @carloscomputers
- carloscomputers
very cool timing with just before twitter goes down hard! well done Robert! @crbrowning
- Colin
@davidorban
- David Orban
I've followed you and have really enjoyed your posts. I think I would miss that
- Tom
Good to hear that your experiment has stopped the spam @lindsaydavies
- Lindsay Davies
ciao Robert!
- alex
Your ego is amazing. You make it seem like it is a special deal to be followed by you. I'm glad there are many very bright, talented people here who follow others, regardless of class, education, social status and not based on some snobbish criteria.
- RuthNH
DON'T follow me! I write in Italian :-)
- Lorenzo Strambi
Here I be
- Robert
Wow, this is a lot of comments. And kudos for following Followable people who have something interesting to contribute to your day. I'm glad you did it, because that means you'll find AND share more interesting things. This, in turn, makes you more followable too. Thanks for seeing the light, so to speak.
- ax0n
You killed twitter.
- Melissa Pierce
and now with twitter down, many will flock to here!
- Mark V. Fusco
Did this take down Twitter this morning Robert?
- frank barry
That must of taken a long time :-) I've always been a fan of twitter, but I must say they have struggled in the last few weeks. We are working with their API on a project and their seems to be an issue every other day that causes problems. Do they have what it takes?
- Chris Nadeau
I follow under 200 people and it's great. I can't imagine 1k+ . I add about three or four a month.
- Mike Janicke
I unfollow people when I find I ignore their tweets/updates. After reading your blog, I think we ALL need to be more judicious.
- Janet Barker-Evans
Is this why Twitter is down? LOL! Can't check to see if you unfollowed me. Hope not. You, Shel Israel, and Jeremiah Owyang were some of the very first people I followed way back before Twitter even had 100,000 people on the service. -- It's been a fun ride but, of course, the spammers always show up to make things difficult.
- Brenda Young
How do you really know if you should be following someone until you follow them for a while? Sometimes I don't start talking to someone until I see a common interest, then I tweet back and we start talking, but that could be months later. I don't follow everyone back, but I follow back those that interact. I will unfollow once I see that won't happen, or I don't like their tweets.
- Nadine Gilden
Twitter is victime of it own success, they have to re learn how to scal better, but more important they have to learn to share better.
- abdellah
looks like you'll need to follow at least 343 people LOL
- Shari Weiss
Friendfeed takes over for twitter finally?
- Thomas Resing
@Patricia I don't want potential followers to be put off by who is following me. I wouldn't want them to think I care more about have n+1 followers than I do about what they're going to see if they review who I've allowed to follow me. Not to cull spammers suggests I care more about my experience than theirs. To a great extent, the quality of their experience will determine the quality...
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- Andrew Spong
1600 ... isn't that a big number too? It could be you'll think again before you follow every one here :)
- Mario Gastaldi
Hi... do I get a follow?
- Jason Mayoff
If you are already following me. Will you double follow me? :)
- Brady
Still waiting for my Building 43 t-shirt. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;-)
- Donna Tuttle
Respect your opinion Robert but we'll have to agree to disagree. Yes I despise all the FakePornSpamBots who follow me. I block as many as I can, but can't keep up. Our views differ regarding what is important to SEE! I treasure home Home stream! I read it, refresh, read, refresh and in minutes I have the pulse of the world... at least MY world! EVERYONE has something of value to share at some point. If I UNfollow tens of thousands, I will miss so much worthy of consideration.
- Arleen Anderson
Just another reason why it's good to diversify, I can still read your posts here. :)
- Luis Sandoval
Cheers!
- Jeff Wiant
Funny. I was catching up on news on Friendfeed for some odd reason. Great post; plenty for new and long-time users alike to consider there.
- Alex Howard
I'm still waiting for the ultimate tool to manage my followings - I can only manage to keep up with about 1/3 of those following me. I'd love to see something that can tell me what friends of mine also follow those that I am or those that are following me. Maybe it's out there and I missed it?
- TheDiva Rockin
Anyone interested in assessing the quality of their followers should check http://tweetblocker.com. It's pretty chastening. I aim to improve on my C rating. http://www.buzzom.com is a fun, fast way of decoupling yourself from non-reciprocal followers. You can select individuals to purge, or flush 50 random non-reciprocal followers at a time.
- Andrew Spong
Robert, your timing could not be better. ;-)
- Dave Martin
Great post, with perfect timing! Dang it, Dave Martin just took it off my lips.
- Vadim Lavrusik
I hereby rename this comment thread neoTwitter <waves at followers>
- Andrew Spong
/me waves
- Kevin Johnson
from iPhone
Awww, you gotta admit, saturation, the level of influence that you have, because of your high follower, count, is a tool of mass destruction. Seriously, did you think if you recommend an online service that people would not try it out? Was this an asassination attempt
- Peter Murphy
I'm glad i'm not the only one who misses /me actions from IRC, Kevin. ;)
- Eric Williams
With today's Twitter outage your timing is pretty stinking good, Robert. :)
- Chris Cree
Now to get the rest of the world to follow that same logic when it comes to follow/unfollow! I only started being more selective as Twitter (and everyone else) started getting aggressive with spammers or anyone that even remotely did a single spammy tweet. Now if only there were the same contact management tools available for the other social networks as with Twitter. No matter what though, I'll continue updating my status when I eat a peanut butter sandwich! (With Fluff of course!).
- Paul Monaco
Twitter couldn't handle the mass unfollow load, blew up...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I've been followed by Robert Scoble :-)
- David Finch
Follow iPolitics
- Jacob Kobi Gamliel
Now I think that it is time to think about a way to make money using Twitter.
- abdellah
@Mark, +1. When in doubt, the default delegation of blame goes to Robert.
- Dave Martin
what is critical mass for twitter? Too few and nobody interacts, Too many and spam bots overwhelm, Is it 1K or 2K needed to get a real experience?
- WarLord
Hmm can you unsubscribe from "comment notification via e-mail" in FF on a *specific* topic? This one :-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
Of course I thonk it is a different experience if you hand follow reading each bio from the beginning then these mass purges are unnecessary
- WarLord
I thought you already followed me. lol
- Duane-PreppyDude
Not sure if you do, but here I am...
- Aron Michalski
I am intrigued how RT addict will RT now?!! (ps: FF please don't post this to my twitter)
- abdellah
I have been keeping my twitter account private a majority of the time lately b/c I am going through a divorce, but I really kinda like it. Have been reducing followers as well as the number I follow.
- Jackson Miller
You should follow me here in FF and on Twitter too!
- Karthi
hopefully most of us have proven our worth beyond commenting on this single thread
- andy brudtkuhl
I like the way you operate, Scoble. Thanks in advance for the follow!
- Dr. Frank Ramblings, Ph.D
Nice way of doing it...
- Charles
No need to follow me unless you are actually going to engage in conversation with me.
- Jeff Hurt
If you're already following and we comment, will you unfollow? *wink Hoping all is well your way!
- Dayngr
4&5 are my favorite! Those are big reasons I decide to follow someone too.
- Kelly Mitton
I'm lucky. Have never had Twitter spam. But then again I'm no Scoble either :)
- Lori Reed
I am the peanut butter eating bot
- Benjamin Spector
If you are already following me on ff does that mean I get a cookie or something? ;-)
- Tomy Thomson
I'll add my name to the list. I came back to FF after the Twitter DoS outage. Maybe Scoble broke Twitter by all his unfollowing. He was the "glue" holding Twitter together. :-)
- Tom Newman
Robert: Here's the bit you missed off the end of your title here: .... and put them in that group I don't read :-)
- Jim Connolly
Hi Robert, greetings from germany.
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
add me for your social media and the practice of law news!
- Rex Gradeless
Great post. I'm sure that some people might say that this kind of mass unfollowing will hurt Twitter, but I think it's just the opposite. Users who are following people they have no interest in just to pad their own numbers are diminishing the meaning of "following."
- Mark Denton
@Ulrichmargarita
- Ulrichmargarita
To stave off being unfollowed we need to comment here ya say?
- Jason
you are already following me here... perhaps you'll consider re-following me on twitter too
- Michelle
I don't know how you ever did it the other way. I am not in the tech world near as much as I used to be, which wasn't a whole lot. I just followed some random people I saw on SMugMug-related people on here when I started. You were one of them. I had no idea who you were (and still don't :-), but you talked about Twitter a lot too, which got me on there as well. Both services have really...
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- James Schipper
Follow away!
- Ferdinand Perez
ok 400 jackpot
- abdellah
Quality over quantity in all things, including (perhaps especially) Twitter. Loved your friending methodology -- those are the same rules I've applied since being on Twitter. Posted them onto Posterous to share the love with credit to you: http://lorilaurentsmith.posterous.com/
- Lori Laurent Smith
it's not about unfollowing, it's about filtering...
- Barak Hachamov
I started out following everyone on Twitter.Then I got wise. When someone's stream becomes more noise than signal, that's when I consider unfollowing. I realize that threshhold is different for everyone, but I'll take "what I had for lunch" over a dozen bogus "marketing tips" any day.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Well, I am trying to use FriendFeed more after watching Scoble's video on all those monitors he had up. I'm not a big consumer of information and don't own a TV but this online social stuff has been a perfect fit into my life because I can connect with people who are fountains of knowledge on a specific subject or are "human mashups". I like both!
- Adria Richards
Why !?
- Bertrand Soulier
from iPhone
I've been reading al of this unfollow bits, and this point of yours:
- Donna
Hey, I think that today you might make your point about FriendFeed being more interesting than Twitter. Hope you are well. Talked with @fransteps this morning and she is excited to work with you at Rackspace.
- Kami Huyse
hi
- George Desmyter
I would appreciate the follow, thanks!
- Jeff Reisdorfer
I've been reading all of this un-follow posts lately, and this point of yours in WHY you unfollowed: "#2 Because I personally care about everyone I am following their noise level is a LOT lower. ." Is exactly what I do. And now I am starting to understand Friendfeed more. and using posterous to do aggregate posts. So is this overload making more people sit up and think first? I think so. At least the intelligent ones.
- Donna
I love you Scoble! ;)
- Carol Levesque
with all due sycophantism :)
- jeff hammond
This is a great move, Robert. It's also a lot more human...I was almost convinced that you were the only person who could actually drink from the fire hose without choking.
- Steffan Antonas
That sounds fair. After this morning, I've renewed my love for FriendFeed and Tweetworks. Until the next DDos attacks, of course. I will miss the fake porn stars, but I did when I moved from L.A.
- Scott Pierce
Steffan; I agree...there is no way anyone else could do what Robert S. does. It's good to see him become human.
- Robert Jones
This has been my problem for about the past six months. I routinely go in and unfollow, get the noise level down to where I want it, and then end up following back a bunch of new people, some of whom I'm incredibly grateful to get to know. When I had track, it was a whole lot easier to manage the stream, but I suspect even that tool would now be out of hand. I have a set of rules for...
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- Karoli
hee hee. i am commenting not so much to beg your follow but what a clever pitch:)
- Tresha Thorsen
Robert - I have not read all 416 comments so if this was asked and you answered forgive me. What was the all of a sudden revelation that caused you to reverse stance on Twitter Followers?
- Jeff Vreeland
It's difficult to maintain and filter a list on all the social networking sites. I cannot even imagine maintaining the kinds of lists you must deal with, Robert.
- Jeremy Brooks
Dude, you broke Twitter! When you unfollowed all of your 100,000 the other day you pulled the rug right out from under it, so it fell down and now it can't reach its beer. :-)
- Robert Morrison
Actually I felt rather sad being fav'ed by you on FriendFeed then dumped.. But again. I get more from you from FriendFeed, so oh well, stop talking about Following and Get on more with Tech! :P
- Du Senyao Peter
Me Me! lol!
- Bill McGehee
i like the idea of importing favorite tweets into friendfeed. i haven't used that favorite feature much because i haven't seen any real use in it. thanks!
- Jonathan Blundell
When twitter is down I always wish I could tweet: checkout friendfeed. Nevertheless, how will following folk that leave a message here really improve the quality of your input? While I don't want to judge many of the fine folk on this thread, are they all that interesting? In other words, isn't this the start of the same problem you had on Twitter...
- Jon Mountjoy
what like here? this is a comment :)
- michelle harris
Barak - isn't filtering just unfollowing while pretending you're still following? ;)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Well to bounce back on your Twitter is down comment I think it is time to watch this video again http://www.youtube.com/watch... Hilarious!
- 77Agency
Robert, I'm glad you decided to stop auto-follow (finally). :)
- Veronica Sopher
I'm in
- Jeroen Sangers
from Nambu
works for mw
- Brendan Jackson
from twhirl
Robert, but why clutter your FriendFeed stream? This comment is not to get you to courtesy follow me on FriendFeed, think you've established you've changed your thinking. :)
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
OK, I have enough people to follow so I will close the comments on this thread. Thank you everyone, I will try to get to everyone today.
- Robert Scoble
I never knew that Facebook had a family index: http://www.facebook.com/family... damn, there are more than 500 Scobles! Thanks @Orli for telling us.
Dan Hsiao, Frode Stenstrøm, polou/indigo_bow and 15 other people liked this
Checked Facebook. Sure enough, over 500 Jernbergs, mostly in Sweden and the US. Searched for my name; sure enough, there's 3 Dennis Jernbergs, one in Sweden (I hear there's at least 2 there). I'm the only really active one there, and the only one with a profile photo.
- Dennis Jernberg
Wish they'd allow you to limit results to a particular region.
- Spidra Webster
Geek 1.0 vs Geek 2.0
Giusy Mauro, Dave Martin, LouCypher and 114 other people liked this
D+D FTW!!!
- Mladen Srdić
all hail to interwebz goddess!
- Mladen Srdić
Ahhh! I dunno, but I feel that I still fall under Geek 1.0
- Ron
I want a pocket protector!! @Mladen: I <3 the Internet :)
- Mona Nomura
Mona: Geek 1.0 and everything, but high waters? no way. lol
- Ron
intertubes ftw !eleven! :D
- Mladen Srdić
What's wrong with high waters? They're now called 'capris'
- Mona Nomura
Mona: If you're a guy with high waters, you're a dork. LOL
- Ron
Hey, that's sexist! :p
- Mona Nomura
Not quite, just biting reality. hahaha =p
- Ron
there's nothing wrong with being a nerd / geek / dork! revenge of the nerds ftw!
- Mona Nomura
I refuse to admit that an Apple nerd is the second iteration of the original geek. I'd buy that the geek and the nerd both fork from the same dork tree, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Also, say that second sentence five times fast out loud. :)
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
+1 Mark. The internet is seemingly filled with 'geeks' who can't fix their own computers. (I said can't, not won't)
- Yuvi
Funny >the geek and the nerd both fork from the same dork tree, though.
- Russellreno
Very nice! You could replace the D&D by a deck of Magic the gathering in Geek 1.0
- João Almeida
from twhirl
Geek 1.5 ("The Transitional"): 1. Trusty Palm V (in all its form factor glory) in hand, 2. Inserted into casual conversation: "AOL! - Pssf! Not even on dial-up anymore -- once you go to BroadBand, you can't go back! And High-waters, w/ pair of scissors applied, have become DYI shorts that are the new source of fashion ridicule.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
If my ADND gaming group is any indication, the game is still D&D, but character sheets are on the computers. I fully believe I combine the best of both worlds; with a Tablet PC my character sheets are both digital and handwritten. I've got to admit the spreadsheet users have it nice, when it comes to stat penalties and recalculating...uh, I think I should shut up, now.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
3.0 will be you in a virtual world
- Ryan
Does anyone actually have night vision contact lenses? I'd buy one right away!
- Elliott Ng
76670FD812D54F849282BA646F90118E
Erhan Erdogan, Nicholas Helke, nouhad and 4 other people liked this
Indeed.
- Paul Buchheit
20347B2E9DC94915BC54C667EDAAE2AE
- Gary Burd
That's a hex of a comment.
- Kevin Fox
99E7E053B4954FFBB219E5C4D6EB3D5C
- Alex Sauceda
I concur
- nouhad
I'm adding this to wellknownguids.com to make sure no one in the future ever uses it.
- James (@willia4)
I so want to get this joke, but am at a loss. Treating the string as hex representation of ascii yields a bunch of unprintable characters. And what are well known guids? Please enlighten me oh knowledgeable ones!!
- Robert Felty
Robert -- A GUID (Globally Unique IDentifier) aka UUID (Universally Unique IDentifier) is a 128bit number which is statically guaranteed to be unique in time and space. In other words, the algorithm that generates guids will never generate "76670FD812D54F849282BA646F90118E" again on any computer (well, it might. But the odds are that the universe will end long before it happens). wellknownguids.com is a site I put up a few days ago because I think it's funny.
- James (@willia4)
Guids are commonly used in computer applications anywhere you need uniqueness. Microsoft's COM technology uses guds all over the place and they're more and more frequently being used to ID rows in databases. For more information, Wikipedia has articles for both GUID and UUID. I also talked way too much about guids at http://friendfeed.com/e...
- James (@willia4)
@James - Thanks for all the info. I looked at your friendfeed, and it does seem you might have a problem with liking GUID too much. I still don't get the joke though.
- Robert Felty
I guess you have to use guids every day to find it really funny. I'll just end with this (and then quietly walk away): This is my guid. There are many like it, but this one is mine: 70CED9DF-FAC3-46A6-A2A7-EAD0796B2416
- James (@willia4)
2b1f0981-ae2b-a94b-6e49-1fa40b92f378
- Jim Norris
@Jim where did you get that? I don't recognize the version number.
- James (@willia4)
It's the UUID of this entry on friendfeed =)
- Jim Norris
Robert, the two UUIDs that I posted are meaningless as far as I am concerned.
- Gary Burd
Hmm. Well. Now I'm curious how FF is generating their UUIDs. More investigation is required.
- James (@willia4)
interesting!
- nouhad
@James - GUID, not UUID! :P
- Yuvi
When I tweeted the UUID, I did not expect a conversation to develop here on FriendFeed. There is a reason for my UUID tweet which I might share in the future.
- Gary Burd
I'm actually thinking that FF's is neither globally nor universally unique. Which is fine. FF only needs IDs which are unique in time, but not in space (since it will only ever matter on their own servers).
- James (@willia4)
My social network on Friendfeed - http://blog.metaroll.com/2008...
TobiasVerhoog.com, Ansgar Wollnik, Bob Blunk and 70 other people liked this
Wow, I love this kind of map! Wish I could view my FF connections like that :)
- Bob Kingsley
coool pic!! I'd love to be able to crunch my FF thru this app!! code?
- Susan Beebe
now that is cool.. if it was interactive and you could highlight a name to see where things were going from/to, it would be perfect!
- Tim Hoeck
Tim: oooh coool idea!! interactive FTW!
- Susan Beebe
Nice map!
- Robert Scoble
Your network data can be obtained via ffsixdegrees, just click on the "Export pajek .net file" link. Then load the data into Pajek and do some visualization magic. Or send me a mail and I see what I can do. BTW: if someone knows a good interactive visualization toolkit, tell me!
- Benedikt Koehler
Benedikt: here's my email: smbeebe {at} gmail dot com ... very interested in this for my social network here on Friendfeed; use my account "susanbeebe" Thanks!
- Susan Beebe
Susan, is your FF account set to private? I haven't integrated authentication yet. :(
- Benedikt Koehler
that's awesome!
- Mona Nomura
Benedikt; OK I just unlocked it...no longer private... go for it!
- Susan Beebe
I successfully ran your script, yeah!! Thanks, I love it! http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Susan Beebe
Hey, I just received the visuals from Benedikt on my FF social network --> http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Susan Beebe
Looks like somthing to come out of CERN, eh Scoble!
- Roberto Bonini
Benedikt - I would also like to run your script against my friendfeed cloud. I sucked out my data from ffsixdegrees. Can you work some visualization magic and get me the results? ffuser: infinitelymeta email: brian dot eisenberg at gmail Great Work! Thanks.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Benedikt - Want to connect on Facebook and share Nexus graphs? http://friendfeed.com/e... We're connected directly through Timo Heuer & Mark Fruchter, and we can trace some of our 2-3-4-5-6 level connections in Facebook via our Nexus graphs. The Nexus visualization tool is neat (e.g. you can type in a person's name to highlight them in the graph). Perhaps you could contact them to share their code?
- Mitchell Tsai
Benedikt, I'm getting a 500 error on export of my FFSixDegrees http://metaroll.com/ffsixde... Trying to make a graph like yours using Pajek.
- Hao Chen
When can we do this with say, twitter+friendfeed+facebook? just tried to have a look at interactive friends graph on FB http://apps.new.facebook.com/friends.... it's broken. doh
- Christian Anderson
Christian, have you tried Nexus? http://nexus.ludios.net/
- Hao Chen
thanks, Hoa. i hadn't. it's cachunking now. i have tried several similar apps on fb, but not that one.
- Christian Anderson
got it. it looks like a spirograph picture from when i was a kid.
- Christian Anderson
Christian, take a look at this http://www.krazydad.com/bestiar...
- Benedikt Koehler
When will we be able to do this with twitter + friendfeed + facebook + myspace + youtube + etc +++ something that will aggregate ALL friends into one list? That would be useful, n'est pas?
- Chris Loft
@Chris: Yes, then the links could be weighted depending on how well you are connected with a friend. Social Graph API could make this possible.
- Benedikt Koehler
Antivirus 2009 (Antivirus2009) | Threat Center - Spyware and Virus Removal - http://www.precisesecurity.com/blogs...
matthew, Mark, Nicholas Helke and Betty M. Bird liked this
yeah and it sits right in the middle of the screen a friend asked me to come fix their computer and had the "2008" version of this nastieness. I ended up reformatting and reinstalling XP. probably a better solution out there but this was quicker sadly.
- Betty M. Bird
Just had to remove this junk off a co-worker's computer Friday.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Just took this off my mother's computer :(
- matthew
Currently in the process of reinstalling XP on a client's computer due to this crap.
- Nicholas Sanders
am I the only one who always reads "Large Hadron" as "Larger Hardon" and then chuckles to myself a bit?
ashwin, Mark Jenniskens, Nicholas Helke and 12 other people liked this
Yes
- Glen Mistletoe
Not anymore...
- Ryan Sholin
I misspelled it that way over on fast company, so, no you are not.
- Robert Scoble
Now I will. Thanks.....
- Brad Nickel
Has anyone read FlashForward yet? Worth it?
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
from feedalizr
Nope, happens to me all the time. At least I will have a chuckle when the world endls with a misspelt "hardon" on all the news sites.
- Hannes BrandstätterMüller
from twhirl
I've never done that before... but will certainly do it from now on. Thanks so much.
- Herb Hernandez
I think Joey from Friends is giggling to himself as wel..
- David Clements
Live Search Maps (TP).. Super cool! http://ping.fm/x2vwq
Stu Rich, Nicholas Helke, fijidaddy and 2 other people liked this
so supa cool ... [troppo figo !]... only those 2 cities ?
- Giuliano [out1968]
Wouldn't Google Street View provides a wider area to explore?
- Nicholas Helke
When will MS come up with something new? They seem to be content with copying everything that google does. Although, I didn't have to download Silverlight, and wasn't asked to use a more 'up-to-date' browser, so I'll give them credit for that.
- Paul Grav
Did you read the word Technology Preview? May be we will see more cities in future..
- Jigar Mehta
@Paul Google's StreetView appeared in May 2007 (Wikipedia.), but this preview technology debuted more than a year earlier in Feb 2006 (according to a reviewers guide.) It really hasn't been updated since then. Google continues to run into privacy issues with StreetView.
- Wade Dorrell
Get Satisfaction has Twitter's old office - http://www.thisisgoingtobebig.com/2008...
Nicholas Helke, Matt Leake, Bryan Landers and MikeAmundsen liked this
Five Best To-Do List Managers [Hive Five] - http://feeds.gawker.com/~r...
Kevin Doohan, Brian Newman, Mike Fruchter and 2 other people liked this
Trying to use Gina's Todo.txt on Ubuntu now. Will see how it does for me. I am a big believer of TEXT. Remember freeform text PIMs? So wish I had created the one I envisioned with tags and hyperlilnks. I guess its not too late.
- Brad Nickel
"Things" works great with iphone and ipod Touch and when they add syncing with the mac, it's perfect.
- Tommi Rissanen
New Study Finds Low Interest In Blu-ray - http://rss.slashdot.org/~r...
Chris Luckhardt, Mike Hussein Cohen, Jack Wilson, K4SAC and 14 other people liked this
Really? They better do some more research. We went looking for a Playstation 3 and they were sold out at four different stores. The salespeople at Target said that they've been flying off the shelves since Blueray won the format wars.
- Robert Scoble
And you don't think this has to do with MGS 4? And you really trust those Target salespeople? ;) I find that half of what they say is just wrong whenever I go.
- Andru Edwards
Andru: oh, that might have something to do with it too. They had no reason to make THAT up. Yeah, they make up lots of other stuff, though. It matches what I heard from other salespeople in other stores, though.
- Robert Scoble
Oh yeah, I agree that once Blu-ray won, the PS3 was a no-brainer for HD optical movies. But the recent sales spike has way more to do with games than it does movies. Just look at Blu-ray disc sales, and compare that to just a couple of the big recent PS3 releases and you will see what I mean :)
- Andru Edwards
@robert I really dont think thats because of blu-ray. Blu-Ray will never become DVD.
- Akshay Dodeja
This is just a blip. Probably were similar studies when DVD was young. Lots of 1080p FullHD displays being sold; broadcast caps out at 1080i; gotta use BR for the full experience. Plus lots of places to rent BR now.
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
PS3s have been flying off the shelves since January? the NPD numbers don't back that theory up. sales have spiked when the price dropped, but that's it.
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
Ryo: I totally disagree. And for $400 you get a game console, a Blu-ray player, and a bunch of other stuff (photo server) as well. If you think people can't see the difference, well, those people aren't the ones buying 60-inch HDTVs. If you're gonna spend $3,000 on a screen you aren't going to complain about a couple of hundred bucks to get a better player. Plus now the neighborhood kids will think you're cool cause you have a Playstation.
- Robert Scoble
Nope. No one thinks you are cool for having a PS3. Only Xbox 360 and Wii get that attention ;)
- Andru Edwards
Richard: well, something is happening cause the stores here can't keep them in stock. But maybe we're just ahead of the world. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Andru: I have an Xbox and a Playstation and, sorry, you aren't in tune with the 14-year-olds anymore. Patrick says the Playstation is way better than the Xbox. And after playing games at EA on both systems side-by-side I gotta say I agree with him. Xbox is looking old and creaky side-by-side.
- Robert Scoble
The price dropped and they're not restocking ahead of the new 80GB sku, that's what happened. No one is ahead of anything
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
Richard: hmm, well, the salespeople in the stores tell me that they've already had the 80GBs and they are sold as soon as they come in. I bought a 40GB model, which now has a 160GB drive in it. It was the last one we found. I'll keep watching the situation.
- Robert Scoble
It's simple, interest goes up when the price goes down. blu-ray players should be quite a bit cheaper six months from now, but they're still not going to catch DVD.
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
I just wonder if people are becoming disenchanted with media formats they know will become obselete. I used to own VHS taps - I sold them all in one go. I bought a lot of the same movies as DVD - and am not about to get rid of them too. The concept of "good enough" has become persuasive perhaps.
- Jonathan Beckett
I never claimed that they would catch DVD. I bet that most consumers are going to just wait for an online movie distribution method. DirectTV, for instance, has HD movies already. So does Comcast. Most consumers just don't care enough to go beyond their cable/satellite systems. So that leaves Bluray to the weirdos who like the best picture and best audio.
- Robert Scoble
They had the old 80gb ng out, but it isn't out yet. The one you bought has no PS2 backwards compatibility, which is the same asmodels. There is a new one that is more like the 40gb comi the new 80GB model. It xcomes out in september, the Target guy just wants to make a sale.
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
Jonathan: interesting point. I have only bought three or four movies. I never understood why I'd want to watch things again. Yeah, there's exceptions to that rule, but they are pretty rare. Kids, on the other hand, love watching vids over and over again. But I can't stand that behavior so never encouraged it with Patrick and won't with Milan, either. I bet that if I hit that behavior, though, that the hard drive that's in my Playstation or Xbox or MacMini hooked up to TV will provide the answer to THAT. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I don't know if people will move to DD that quickly, so far all the interfaces and systems are too hard to figure out. From the Apple TV, the cable STB, the xbox 360, the PS3, Netflix, no one has a system I think my mom wants to use consistently.
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
Richard: the Target guy didn't want to make a sale. He had none of the above in stock and sent me to several other stores. But that explains what's going on, I didn't realize we were in between models. I don't care about old compatibility, so that's fine. I just needed a Blu-Ray player and this provided me with a way to get one. Now that I have it I see that the quality blows away the Xbox.
- Robert Scoble
Pretty soon everything will be accessible from the Cloud. Right? I just need fatter pipe for HD content delivery. Who can provide it? I'm not sure....
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Richard: my dad is still using a 25-year-old TV, so I get where you're coming from there. If my dad does get into this new stuff (he's smart enough to deal with it) he'll just have us set it up.
- Robert Scoble
Brian: that is the big question, isn't it? How soon will big fat pipes hit everyone's door? And will the cable companies keep from limiting them to protect their business models (of selling movies to people like my dad)?
- Robert Scoble
Well ... I think the point is everyone is pretty happy with regular DVD resolution ... Who wants to pay a bunch of money to get video that is a little better than great.
- Todd Loren Sinclair
Robert, do You really need all that stuff?
- Luca Conti
Luca: do we really need anything? Someday I'll end up in a cardboard box. It's partly my job to keep up on the industry, so, yes. And it does bring me some enjoyment (my son is a much bigger game player than I am).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - I'm more interested in checking out what China is doing with 5G, what Japan is doing with 4G+ *(iMode?), India seems to be just getting to 3G. Mobile delivery is most certainly the future, and I'm holding out on my iPhone purchase until I can get the 4G LTE(Long Term Evolution) version which will hopefully deliver 21-42 megabit throughput. Until then, our early adopter hacks will have to suffice (e.g. reason why you carry 3 mobiles on your person). Sad state of affairs if you ask me. Progress? Not
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Todd: I wonder of the people who buy a 50-inch-screen or bigger how do those people justify spending $1,500 or more on a screen and then not spending a couple of hundred bucks more to make it look really freaking awesome?
- Robert Scoble
Brian: mobile in the United States will always be behind Japan and China because of the population density is a lot lower here. When you're over in Shanghai you'll totally understand why investing in new infrastructure makes sense. Small screens really don't need that much bandwidth, though. At least not until you have hyper-high-resolution screens and terabyte drives or memory that fit into iPhones (for HDTV).
- Robert Scoble
The fact is that it took years for people to take to DVD. The advantage DVD enjoys over BR is that DVDs are backwards compatible with any tv wit composite inputs. BR requires large HD tvs to show the differences. This it stands to reason that progress will be slower ad people slowly migrate to the new platform. And don't forget those people with large DVD libraries.
- Roberto Bonini
I believe the target audience for Blu-Ray will be the exact same people who are just going to want the hi-def streamed from some service. Being a movie buff, I doubt I'll be replacing my DVDs with Blu-Ray versions. Goodfellas on DVD still looks great on my Hi-def television. While a little more sharpness and detail would be great, it's far from the most important part of the movie experience for me. Plus, I'm at the point now with media server and streamers that I've retired most of my physical media.
- Todd
I'll start getting into Blu-ray as soon as an XBox 360 comes out that supports them. The XBox 360 serves as the media center extender in my home and I'm not interested in anything that doesn't integrate with it.
- Thomas Hawk
I wonder what the interest in HD DVD is?
- Brian Sullivan
I'm with Thomas. I need a device that acts as a media center extender, plays BluRay, and is a gaming machine. If only the 360 would add a BluRay drive...
- Matt
I don't care about blu-ray or HD DVD (right now). I stick with my oldschool DVD collection and I'm pretty fine with the picture quality..
- Dan van Moll
I'd bet that most of the people queried wouldn't know an s-video cable from an HDMI if it bit them. If they can't tell the difference between 480 and 1080, they are either hooked up wrong or looking at a 24" LCD
- ThePicMan
I'm definitely with Jonathan: I love watching my favourite movies over and over again, and I still haven't replaced my entire VHS-tape collection with DVDs; "good enough" is a big deal for me, and I say that knowing what HD content via HDMI looks and sounds like. However, I know Robert isn't alone with his see-once mindset, so it'll interesting to see if on-line movie dist. is the way things go.
- John Jarvis
I've decided to skip Blu-ray and leave everything on the computer or DVDs.
- Chris Luckhardt
with sales sub 200k for both the ps3 and xbox 360, I think its fair to say neither was flying off shelves across the country last month
- Richard Lawler
What teens want - Technology - smh.com.au - http://www.smh.com.au/news...
Steve Chou, Kevin LaHaise, Nicholas Helke and 4 other people liked this
"Of the teens Wells polled online, 93 per cent say they prefer the internet to television."
- Timo Heuer
from Mento
Reminds me a lot of what Anastasia Goodstein of Ypulse, author of Totally Wired: What Teens and Tweens Are Really Doing Online has been telling us for some years now. Her recent mashup marketing event in SF represented this view pretty well too. Others like Danah Boyd and Eszter Hargittai have also explored the topic at length. Nice to see Sydney picking up on this though.
- Lynne d Johnson
Love the photo
- Nicholas Helke
CERN announces start-up date for LHC - http://digg.com/general...
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In other news CERN annouces date Earth gets eaten by black hole. News at never.
- Eric Schlissel
from twhirl
Great. Three days before our wedding. I hope the tiny black hole needs a few months of collecting matter before the earthquakes start.
- Kevin Fox
It's already been activated in the future, but doesn't work now because it reversed time! http://www.g4tv.com/attacko...
- Dana D
ok, this is awesome "Paris Hilton Responds To McCain" http://digg.com/comedy...
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بدون عنوان - http://www.critic.ir/index...
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Cultural freedom. Not.
- Robert Scoble
at first i thought they were strange birds...
- edythe
dear robert. dose cultural freedom is bikini????????????????????????
- Masoud
or nude?
- Masoud
Cultural freedom is the freedom to do whatever you want. Wear a bikini. Or nothing at all. Or wrap every body part in red cloth. I don't care. That's the point. Out here you can do it all and express yourself how you feel you would like to express yourself. In other places you are forced to express yourself the way other people want you to express yourself. That's not freedom.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Scoble you say :Cultural freedom is the freedom to do whatever you want. girls in iran can wear bikini in special place..
- αida®
& i Like this photo
- αida®
:))
- mehdi ufgvn
To look I: cultural freedom just woman honor thats with veil
- Masoud
Aida: then why the lack of diverse clothing here? In other words, you're free to be cultural as long as you fit in with everyone else, right? Keep in mind my wife's mom sent her to US because of these attitudes.
- Robert Scoble
You're free to wear a veil here in the states, too. It's just not forced. And if you say it's not forced in Iran, I'll come back at you with tons of stories from Iranians that prove that it IS forced.
- Robert Scoble
robert idea is different, i love this veil and dont problem with it..& also iran is Islamic country
- αida®
Aida: exactly. Islamic countries don't have cultural freedom.
- Robert Scoble
Uniforms ...uni-thoughts ...uni-fates ...if you omit one of those women from the picture ... nothing will change in it ...that's how people are reduced to mere copies ...
- Selma
im sorry for you and for aida,and i invited you and ida to cultural freedom thats you mean:nice body nude body. and...........im sorry
- Masoud
i like islamic republic country with even dont cultural freedom,and you can like usa and any country with cultural freedom.bye baby
- Masoud
Masoud: you might talk to my wife. Her friend was whipped for the mere infraction of being caught with a girl. When I get together with Iranians (there are thousands in the San Francisco Bay Area) I hear story after story like that of people getting thrown into jail for the stupidest things, or getting punished in other ways.
- Robert Scoble
Masoud: there's a lot of things that the United States does wrong. I don't stand up for them, though (like Bush's use of waterboarding as a torture method). We can all improve. The problem is that you don't have freedom of speech, either, so if you try to tell your government it is wrong you'll probably get thrown in jail. I don't have those problems to worry about. Only a small portion of the world has true freedom of speech and I pinch myself every day that I have that here.
- Robert Scoble
مسعود الان تمام چیزایی رو که نوشتی خوندم / اینو فارسی مینویسم رابرت نفهمه! / هر چی لازمه بگو ما پشتتیم پسر / چشمک!
- Sina
ولی رابرت راست میگه! ... ما واقعا آزادی فرهنگی و آزادی بیان نداریم ...این که دیگه روشن و واضحه...من نمی فهمم مخالفت شما با این حرف چیه؟
- Selma
Interesting how cultures and belief systems are colliding here. I remember when the Russians used to hate us. I always believed that if we could just show them our grocery stores they'd change. That was pretty close to the truth. Well, now, I wish I could bring every Iranian to Half Moon Bay, CA, USA to show them what a really great beach looks like. :-) Of course here everyone bundles up cause, well, it's usually cold!
- Robert Scoble
منم نمی تونم مخالفت کنم.راس میگه دیگه.حرف حساب جواب نداره.بعدشم گاد فادر جان خانوم اسکوبل ایرانیه براش همه حرفای ما رو ترجمه می کنه.حواستون باشه ییهو سوتی ندید
- Maryamss
Religion you for you Religion I for I مثل قرآن جواب میدهم دین شما برای شما دین من برای من
- Masoud
اون وخ نباید بنویسی My relegion for me, your relegion for you?
- Ehsanislav
Masoud: the thing is, when you have freedom of religion then your beliefs actually mean something because YOU can stand up and have credibility when you say you believe them. In your case I don't know if you believe what you do, or you are just trying to fit in or keep from getting thrown in jail. Also, there are undoubtedly SOME people in your country who don't believe what you do. They don't have a choice where you live. Yet you think that's OK. Hmmm.
- Robert Scoble
اشتباه نوشتم؟عجب پس ترجمه های قران هم اشتباه داره ببخشید احسان جان البته حرفی که می زنی درسته منم خودم دیدم منطقی نیست ولی فکر کردم اون ها با حساسیت بیشتری عمل می کنند
- Masoud
مسعود جان ...نکته اینجاست که چرا همین حرف قرآن که میگی توی کشور خودمون اجرا نمیشه؟ چرا توی کشور خودمون افراد این آزادی انتخاب پوشش و اعتقاد رو ندارن؟ حرف رابرت هم همینه
- Selma
نمیدونم من سئوال کردم
- Ehsanislav
به حسن : اينا كماندو هاي معروف هستن
- Mr Jojo
I don't read Farsi, so will have my wife, Maryam Scoble, translate in the morning. She's on FriendFeed too.
- Robert Scoble
خیلی جالبه
- Behnam
Maybe give Google Translate a try?
- Rutger Blom
این حرف به سیاست کثیف ما مربوط میشه نه دین من این دین رو دوست دارم اگه مجالی باشه براتون دلیل میارم آزاد ترین دین دنیا چه دینی هست
- Masoud
Rutger: Google Translate doesn't do Farsi, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
Seems like our problem is that some people are so used to these forced ideas that they fail to see it any other way ... and unfortunately those people are in a position here to enforce it on others ...at best in any argument with those non-Iranians who protest, they resort to "keep your ideas to yourself and I’ll keep mine to myself" the irony is that same "reasoning" is not valid...
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- Selma
Selma: arguing probably won't change anything. But things DO change. We used to have slaves in the United States. We don't do that anymore. Minds CAN be changed. It's slow, though. But, I never thought the Berlin Wall would fall, either, and that did. Sometimes change happens very quickly. Much quicker than we expect. Humans want to be free. All the Iranian Americans who I've talked with say that too. They are sad that their friends back home don't have freedom.
- Robert Scoble
ما کاری به دین نداریم مسعود جان ...قرار شد دین و اعتقاد هر فردی محترم باشه و مال خودش باشه و کسی هم کاری به اون نداشته باشه ...درست؟ حرف شما رو هم بر آزادانه ترین دین دنیا بودن اسلام می پذیریم خوب؟ ...حالا مسئله اینجاست که همین حرفی که هرکسی به دین و اعتقاد خودش باشه هم توی کشور ما اجرا نمیشه ... وگرنه چه احتیاجی به گشت ارشاد و ممنوع کردن پوشیدن بوت و مانتوی کوتاه و غیره؟ ...اونچه اینجا مورد انتقاد قرار گرفته (از طرف رابرت و دیگران) دین اسلام نیست ...سیاست های فرهنگی و مدنی کشورمونه ...
- Selma
پس شما اساسا مخالفت های روبرت رو نمی دونید اون اسلام رو دینی می دونه که جلوی آزادی هاا رو می گیره
- Masoud
Robert: I guess here we have lost quite a bit of our optimism, but I do hope change would come one day ...we need it so bad, and we need it so urgently! ... :)
- Selma
Selma: I understand that. We still have George Bush as a President. Can't wait until next January. By the way, I should have been clearer, since many probably don't know my wife is Iranian. She lived in Tehran until she was 14 when her parents sent her to USA to study and escape these kinds of attitudes/rules/cultural beliefs. She was threatened by a soldier one day just for laughing in the street.
- Robert Scoble
@masoud: روبرت مطلقا اشاره ای به اسلام نکرد مسعود جان ... در مورد نبودن آزادی فرهنگی در کشورهای اسلامی حرف زد ... مگه کشورهای اسلامی دارن واقعا قوانین اسلام رو اجرا می کنن به نظر شما؟
- Selma
@Robert: I already knew about Maryam :) although i don't leave comments but i have been following most of your conversations with the Iranian community for the past few weeks ... the great thing about the internet is that it gives people a chance to see that things COULD be happening in a different way. I hope that'd speed up the natural process of things and help bring the change we are waiting for ...btw if Obama turns out to be as good as it seems, could we borrow him for a term or two? ;)
- Selma
Selma: you can have him in eight years. :-)
- Robert Scoble
نه آخه چرا شما همه چیز رو بهم بسط میدهید این مثل روز روشنه ما خلاف جهت حتی اسلام عمل می کنیم توی شدید ترین و تعصبی ترین کشورهای اسلامی معلومه که اجرا نمی شه
- Masoud
Islamic countries don't have cultural freedom روبرت گفت
- Masoud
مگه کشورهای مسیحی و یهودی آزادی دارن؟ واقعا اونجا هیچ نقض حقوق بشری نمیشه ؟آیا آزادی فقط آزادی لباسو حجابه؟ مصادیق رو هم ما گم کردیم
- Masoud
من معتقدم توی اون کشورها آزادی فرهنگی خیلی خیلی خیلی بیشتر از کشورهای اسلامی اجرا میشه ...خیــــــــــــــلی بیشتر ...بی عدالتی همه جا هست چون آدم ها ذاتا سودجو هستن ... ولی مصادیقش توی کشورهای دیگه از جنس دیگه ای هست ... اون ها بحث از آزادی هایی می کنن که ما خوابش رو هم نمی بینیم ...ما هنوز اندر خم کوچه دو تا تار موی دخترهامون توی خیابون وممنوع کردن فلان مو سیقی و سانسور کردن فلان فیلم و خبر و خرد کردن شخصیت زن تحت قوانین حمایت از خانواده و ممنوع کردن فلان کتاب هستیم ...
- Selma
برای همه ی کسانی که دهانشون رو باز کردن تا یکی بیاد و براشون لقمه بیاره و اونا هرچی رو که بدن ببلعن متاشفم متاسفم برای ما که حقیقت پشت در انتظار ما رو میکشه و ما تو خونه همسایه به دنبالشیم متاسفم که چقدر لغت آزادی ضعیف و زبون و ذلیل شده که باید برابر باشه با برهنگی
- Masoud
من اگه تا صبح هم حرف بزنم نمی تونم بگم تورا خدا دینومون و از سیاستومون جدا کنیم چون نمیخواین قبول کنین وضع الان ما با نیروهای حکومتی بسیارمتفاوت است با چیزی که اسلام میگه اسلام میخواد.خب مصداقش همین حرف حضرت علی که می گفت اسلام را پوسته ی وارونه بر تن کرده اند!!!!! چقر راسته
- Masoud
Robert every people, every country, every religion has a choice to do it their way! Stop shoving American democracy - capitalism on other peoples' believes! America is America, Iran is Iran, and Israel is Israel. Keep your politics at home!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
نمی دونم چرا عصبانی میشی ...داریم در موردش با آرامش صحبت می کنیم دیگه ...قبلا گفتم باز هم میگم ...نه من و نه دیگران هیچکدوم اینجا ایرادی به "اسلام" نگرفتیم ... ما داریم راجع به سیاست های مدنی مملکت خودمون حرف میزنیم ...دین و سیاست رو هم از هم جدا کردیم ...مگه غیر از اینه؟
- Selma
thanks igor
- Masoud
It's not about countries, borders and religion Igor ...it's about the freedom to choose
- Selma
مسعود طعنه تلخ ایگور رو نگرفتی انگار
- Selma
Freedom to chose should not be counter against the social fabric of the society!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Maybe it's an Islamic state, maybe it's a totalitarian state using religion to oppress its people
- sjjh
When I go to a Mosque, I take my shoes off! That is respect to the Muslim people and Muslim religion! I have a choice not to take off my shoes but I will be disrespecting Muslim people. I am not a Muslim. I am a Jew!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
So you think the government-set rules for what we wear and what we do is "the social fabric of the Iranian society"? how come it wasn't like this 30 years ago before our revolution then?
- Selma
The topic of our discussion is the current situation in Iran, we HAVE TO wear hijab whether we are religious or not, Christian, Jew,etc ...it's mandatory for every one. you get arrested for drinking, for not covering yourself, for wearing manteaus that aren't long enough (down to your knees), etc...etc ... all we are saying here is that ...respect the religious people but please let us live our lives the way we want
- Selma
We want to have the choice about our clothing and our beliefs ...being atheist is considered a serious crime here ... is that a disrespect too?
- Selma
جدی؟؟؟مگه اصلا به رابرت که نه هیچ کدوم از آرمان هاش با ما یکی هست نه خونش و نه مشکلاتش مربوط هست که بیاد به سیاست های مدنی ما ایراد بگیره یا هر بیگانه دیگه؟؟؟؟که شما هم همه با به به چه چه ازشون تمجید کنید؟شما خودت چقدر جوامع غربی رو می شناسید و از وضع مملکت اونا خیر دارین که اینطور از اونجا یه مدینه فاضله ساختید و از اینجا جهنم؟
- Masoud
Should not Iranian people decide what is right or wrong for them? Why does America get involved in Iran? America overthrew The Iranian Shah for their convenience, now they want to put MacDonald's on every corner in the name of democracy!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
رابرت همسر ایرانی داره و با مملکت ما خوب آشناست ...من هم به اندازه ای که لازم بوده از دنیای اون ور مرزها دیدم و تجربه کردم ... من تعریفی از اون جا نکردم مسعود عزیز ...من نگران مملکت خودم هستم ..می خوام ایران خودم مدینه فاضله ای بشه که همه دنیا بهش غبطه بخوره ...این که گناه نیست که بخوام مردم کشورم، خانواده و اطرافیانم حق انتخاب روش زندگیشون رو داشته باشن
- Selma
@Igor: hmm... I don't think we ever said we wanted America's help for establishing civil rights and cultural freedom here ...(the Obama comment was just a joke btw ) ... we are struggling inside our own country, and sooner or later we'll manage to balance things out one way or another, thank you :) ...
- Selma
IMHO freedom overrides everything else in terms of importance. What value does the so-called 'social fabric' of a nation have if the only thing holding it together is government coercion? Legal enforcement of social norms/values should be the last resort - otherwise communities become irrelevant.
- Alexander Carlill
خوبه آفرین همینه منم می خوام کشورم که عاشقانه دوستش دارم مدینه فاضله شه/اما آیا انتخاب حجاب و سانسور نکردن وممنوع نشدن یک کتاب باعث میشه کشورمون مدینه فاضله بشه به خدا منم راضی ام و همیشه دعا می کنم این اتفاق ها بیافته اما دوست عزیز اینا فقط جنگ های زرگری است که غرب برای ما باز کرده تا از جای دیگه که اونا می ترسن غافل بشیم
- Masoud
Can anyone translate for me?
- Alexander Carlill
"Freedom" as an ideology? How much real freedom do you have? Did Americans have freedom to get rid of George W. Bush after he took America to war under false pretense? He was even reelected for the second term! Pleaze, preaching freedom or "freedom fries"? The only freedom Americans have is to buy an iPhone after waiting online for many hours! Oh, and you can thank Robert Scoble for recommending the iPhone which is a brick!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Please do not "preach freedom" but apply it! I would love to see you go to 1 Pennsylvania avenue and scream freedom! I wounder how long will it take for you to be arrested by the secret service! Pathetic!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I just hate propaganda! Be it American, Iranian, Israeli, Russian, or any other color and flavor! Be real and respect people and cultures!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Scobleizer: Robert, I think you misunderstand "culture." You're speaking as if a particular approach is free of culture. But none of us are free of culture. I would claim that even the freedom you refer to is related to a particular sub-cultural norm, even in what we speak of as the West. Try nudity in the workplace or in your favorite shopping mall. Also, I think it is a...
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- Dennis E. Hamilton
I am surprised Robert even making an issue here! He should stick to his gadgets and leave eugenics out of his life! But maybe machines have no emotions and he is trying to be human!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
خسته ام حوصله ندارم این همه بحثو بخونم، ولی حالم بد شد از دیدن این عکس
- saeedeh
Beautiful! ^_^
- Mari Hsu
Troll INDEED. This conversation is being reduced to something along the lines of personal attacks, questioning Robert's humanity. Sarcasm or not, let's stay on target. That said...I understand where both sides are coming from. They may see this photograph as "freedom", just as we see our scantily-clad females as "freedom". They may be "oppressed" by not having "choice", our women may be "oppressed" by rampant objectification. I dunno, just saying.
- Victor Vasquez
I respect Islam's fashion and need for boundary. I understand their needs in this respect. And I hope the Islamic world can respect America and Israel's boundaries as well and understand our needs for those boundaries to be secure. We in America might even learn a thing or two from your culture about respecting women in my opinion. Our feminism has failed us miserably. Rhetoric has very...
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- Noah David Simon
Victor Vasquez I did not attack Robert personally! I said he is a geek blogger who blogs about gadgets and should not impose his notability as a such blogger on a cultural debate! But you reduced yourself to labeling! Why not just call me a "Jew"?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Igor. I concede my hypocrisy. Apologies. Though I fail to understand why I would call you a Jew...Moving on, I don't quite see why Robert ought not share his views that may venture outside the realm of tech. Then again, it might be safer that way and avoid possible firestorm.
- Victor Vasquez
In addition, while Robert Scoble runs around preaching freedom and democracy, he blocks every opposing opinion user! That is a contradiction and a double standards in itself.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Apology accepted and no hard feelings. My above response is to why I am inclined to be biased against Robert.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
problem Victor is that Scoble has a "HUGE" audience waiting to be influenced into the next "TECH" thing... and what if the next "TECH" thing is L Ron Hubbard? It is a slippery ethical slope when you are a media figure. I believe Scoble has gone to the dark side for a while now. Though I would never call him stupid. I think he is very calculating. Robert has a pattern of bringing in cultural bias into his technology information. After all what is technology anyway, but a hierarchy of power?
- Noah David Simon
As Noah said wielding power and audiance Robert brings his bias and discrimination to a debate! The result of which has a paramount influence on the Internet. I would go as far as to call it "Social engineering of society!" and this is dangerous!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
the problem with the very word "tech" is it is misleading... and Robert is using that confusion to other and black sheep various opinions that question his world view. I myself would do the same thing of course... if I were powerful I would use my power to leverage change... but I wouldn't hide behind lies. Robert is not transparent. That bothers me. Like I said... we all have boundaries. But we need to make those lines clear. Not hide them behind self righteous Blue State babble.
- Noah David Simon
I am glad Bill Gates does not attempt to infuse his powers on politics! I guess that is why Microsoft is a success even though it is almost a monopoly!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Robert it is not too late to change. Open up the door! Let your elitism be a growing one that respects difference. Not an elitism that pretends difference is not there. Come on down to the human level Scoble my brother!
- Noah David Simon
Looks like a summer holiday on the caspain post-79. Its quite beautiful photo in an errie sort of way. We may need some Phillip Glass music playing in the background.
- Neyma Jahansooz
First off to say that I wish freedom and peace for all beings regardless of anything else. but to play the advocate for a moment, some Islamic women find the Shadora (veil) empowering in a certain way. Meaning that theirs is a subtle feminine power that has absolute mastery and control over the home and hearth whereas the men are like children in a playground going out and doing 'worldly' things whereas the 'real' life is in the home where the veil is lifted.
- Neyma Jahansooz
gender is more complex then we can imagine. to defend America and Israel's boundary we packaged our invasion of Iraq as a sociological duty. This was a mistake. I believe we were right to invade Iraq, but I would of preferred to of done it simply because of the terrorism Iraq and other countries were sponsoring in Israel and elsewhere. Igor you are wrong. Noam Chomsky says there were in...
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- Noah David Simon
That doesn't mean G-d has left Israel and America, but we have to stop dictating the rules of the home to other cultures. Hell is a road paved on good intentions. I doubt that most Christian missionaries that brought disease to the third world really meant harm, but it is not the job of an outside culture to dictate morality. On the other hand, defending our borders from terrorists...
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- Noah David Simon
Noah, America made Sadam, Khamenei, Cadafi, Bin Laden! When It is not convenient for them geopolitically they go to take them out! Marriage of convenience? Miss Liberty needs to be more respectable with her suiters! It is not just what "she" wants but what her lovers want as well as what the other players at the party! "Give me Liberty or give me Death!" is an empty cry unless you willing to exercise it! Hypocrisy, double standards and every other deceit, all for what?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
America has become a joke, a pun of tragedy! Do you think anyone can help Amerika? As an Israeli I wish America was out of Israeli politics, but I know it will never happen! It is scary for all of where all of us this is going!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
They say a picture speaks a thousand words! This picture will make it crystal clear! Miss Liberty with her skirt up showing her panties! http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
that was not what I was trying to say.
- Noah David Simon
Igor America is no different then any other entity. It chooses it's allies and is sometimes betrayed. If you think America is such a hypocrite then why would you attempt to friend Mark Davidson? I warned you didn't I? We all try to friend the enemy. I'm trying to friend Robert Scoble right now. We all put our hands out to the other side and we should not be criticized for doing it. As we are speaking right now. Israel is talking to Syria in secret talks. This is the nature of politics.
- Noah David Simon
UNFORTUNATES!
- Natalie
and Robert Scoble... what kind of cultural freedom does your elitist blue state private gated community have today? Women in makeup? discomfort? you are no more transparent then the women in that photograph
- Noah David Simon
Noah I friend my enemies to learn about them! Ignorance is not bliss! The saying goes, "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer!"
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
But Robert Scoble, come on, how many women actually *chose* to be wrapped up in black on a beach even, when left to make that choice? That's where your moral relativism starts to break down. And click through to this guy's page and ALL his pictures for a context that clearly seems to be more about feminism and admiration of the female form that some of the PC gang here are willing to admit.
- Prokofy Neva
Igor... you thought Mark Davidson was your friend till you realized he was an aMANdaChapel drone. you desperately want to align yourself with the Blue State tyranny, and get frustrated when they reject you. They reject you because their politics are a facade of support for something that does not like you for who you are. Robert Scoble is a facade of the monoculture and he is so fat that no one can see the bigotry behind him. Igor you don't know who your friends and enemies are.
- Noah David Simon
Amazing that there still is a line for iPhones at the Burlingame Apple store. I don't remember people waiting in lines like this for phones.
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It's kind of odd that people want to wait for long time to get some kind of electric thing from some shop. ;)
- Daniel Schildt
I actually bought mine yesterday. I would rather wait in an hour-long line to buy a phone at Apple than at ATT. The activation process was streamlined and the staff were knowledgeable and pleasant.
- Peter Ghosh
I was amazed yesterday at the Lincoln Road store on Miami Beach. Store opened at 8 am. I arrived at 9 am to find no line and that the genius bar opened at 10 am. When I returned at 10 am, long line. Lazy people can't get there early?
- Sergio Cruz
reports are that the people on line now are being paid by apple :-P
- Allen Stern
I should go around my local area in SW London to see what the situation here is. I doubt it's as bad as the states.
- Gaurav Patel
Apple gave us the VIP treatment while on line. To AT&T it's just another phone to sell.
- Ernie Oporto
Allen - Used to know a real estate that did that with cars in his parking lot :)
- Charlie Anzman
just came back from apple store to get an iphone. 30 people in line at 7a in Boca Raton, FL. still handing out cards to get them. had tried to get one last night, but were all sold out.
- Fred Neil
VIP indeed - they served us cold lemonade and handed out free bottles of water.
- Kevin Gamble
There was a line outside the Regent Street Apple store at 8.30 am yesterday morning. Staff inside said every morning they expect things to get back to normal, and every morning there are still more people quieing up outside!
- Jon Mulholland
I feel the same way as Peter Ghosh. We went to the Apple store last night and were lucky to be the last people to get into the line (which while surprising that there was one, was still relatively short). We waited to talk with a "specialist", and once we did, the whole procedure was fast and went off without a hitch. I didn't have the same confidence that I'd get a good experience at the AT&T store.
- Cheryl Jones
I assume this is due to the need for activation, right? Given that wasn't the case the last time around, everybody needs to go to retail, which makes the lines.
- Louis Gray
Louis: that an I'm convinced they are selling 10x what they sold for first model. Tap Tap Revolution already has been downloaded a million times. Freaking amazing.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe they're there to exchange them. Trading speed for short-lived batteries isn't such a great deal, methinks.
- shelisrael1
I guess I better prepare to wait later next week when I go to try and get one.
- Dean Clark
shelisrael: they are sold out of external batteries. Mine lasts long enough, if I don't use it for FriendFeeding. :-) But that's why I carry three phones. One of them is bound to have a charged battery. :-)
- Robert Scoble
There was a line on Long Island today too.
- Steve Rubel
Wouldn't it be easier to order them online and wait 5 to 7 days? Especially now that the initial "got to have the first 3G iPhone" mania is past.
- Bob Stemen
There are still usually lines in the Apple Store in London, too.
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
people wait in line for jamba juice, starbucks and outback every day
- Omar Shahine
Huge line at Apple store in the Falls here in Miami. I have no desire/need for the upgrade. My initial geek instinct was to run out and buy it, but my practical nature asked myself "what do I get". A larger monthly bill, a little bit faster access when not in WIFI(about .5% of the time), and nada. I'll stick with my scratched up Edge version unti Apple gives me a reason to upgrade.
- Brad Nickel
My dad asked me about Cuil last night. Freaked me out ('It was on the paper, it must be good!')
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Did he asked just about Cuil or about *Cuil Launch* :) By the way was it on a Tamil paper?
- Sudar
Ha! I know the moment of shock. It's disorienting at first...but also every time.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Wow I honestly didn't think Cuil would make any sort of splash on any media market outside the US...
- Mohit
funny: a startup showed me something very cool last week. How did they start? "We are not Cuil."
- Robert Scoble
Robert, ouch.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Now there's something: the product meme is already down track before the product itself gets out of the gate. Not so 'Cuil' in this case.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
i had a similar experience with a not so techy friend.... he said he saw it on TV
- Azeem
oh man! (robert)
- Jay
Ha! Lots of newspapers and websites in India carried the supposedly 'Google Killer' and I took the bait only to be extremely disappointed!
- Chendur Venkatraman
'World's oldest blogger' dies at 108 - http://www.cnn.com/2008...
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Farewell to Olive Riley, who is at the top of my personal A-List today. Her site is currently being slammed with traffic, but it's here: http://www.allaboutolive.com.au/
- Chris Baskind
from Bookmarklet
Her site is still overwhelmed with traffic, but the Google cache is here: http://tinyurl.com/lifeofriley
- Chris Baskind
As I Get Older, Some Online "Friending" Gets Creepier - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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+1 for the title.
- Andrew Dobrow
maybe they are just interested in what you have to say in terms of technology and stuff and social media. i follow some old dudes. and old dudes follow me back. but i'm like 23 so i'm kinda legal.
- Caroline
i wouldn't know half the stuff i know if some old dude like say leo laporte wouldn't of givin me his take on certain things.
- Caroline
I wrote in the comments on this post some of my experiences with smart youngsters. It's something I worry about perception wise, yes, but on the other hand, many of the most brilliant ideas in our industry come from people under 21.
- Robert Scoble
Throughout history many young aged mathematicians and computer scientists have made breakthroughs. My opinion is that it may be caused by the information that they were able to build upon. Similarly, with the social sciences, I see that "friending" for young people is a form of building upon others experiences and thoughts.
- Franklin Naval
I feel like an antique, using social networks and the like. I do not feel old, but my birth year says enough for some people. I am starting to tick the 'do not show age' box more often. Not because I do not like being, ehm, 40. But I do not want people to think I am some kind of peeping Tom. I am just here for the fun, conversation and information. But when age becomes a subject, I'd rather cover it up when it is not important at all.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
There are two IT groups that I regularly interact with in Singapore. SiTF is a trade association of mostly elder geeks. TDM is a fairly loose affiliation of technopreneurs, many still in University. Frankly I like TDM the best, and am most inspired by their ideas and passion.
- Bill Claxton
On the other side, I enjoy talking with Douglas Engelbart, inventor of the mouse, and he's 82.
- Robert Scoble
Louis, on FriendFeed I don't discriminate based on age, only based on what content is shared. On Facebook, I don't think I would friend any youngsters that I did not know in real life.
- Robert Seidman
Depending upon what is being discussed, I don't give it a second thought, either in online friending or in business.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Argh...hate this part of FriendFeed so far. Two discussions going on for two FF posts about the same meta post. I know if you sub LG you see them all, but just in case the other one is here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jim Stanger
@Jim Stanger I think it would be a nice feature if we could somehow "merge" the same topic discussions.
- Roland Hesz
I decided a while ago that with twitter and friendfeed I don't care who follows me, but I'll only follow back if they are saying something insightful about my areas of interest (tech/arts/politics). With Facebook I only add people I have met in real life, and think I am likely to meet again.
- David Owens
It's an interesting discussion and is linked to something I was going to post about over the next day or so. It shouldn't be a problem but these are tough times we live in and we have to be seen to be making the right impressions. You've got me thinkning now.
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
Twittermarkerters and Friendfeed spammers are crashing every party
- paul mooney
It's only creepy if you think it's creepy. For the rest of us, some of whom are older than you and grew up in the proto-digital millieu, it's just people with ideas. Stunningly bad ideas, sometimes, but ideas nonetheless. I'd add, for the true cynics, "Because segregating the wise from the foolish has worked SO well for so long."
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
Quote "At my old age of 31, were I to be a "real world" friend of any 20 year old girl, people should be asking questions" - Hey! Do you mind? There's nothing wrong with an 11 year age gap. I'm 35, my better half is 24. No impropriety there, and we've been together for several years. I also have friends ranging in age from early twenties to late fifties.
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
All conversation of age aside, it does raise up the issue of the term "friend" in social media: is a social media friend really a friend or a contact? What is the nature of the relationship, if there really is any? As a father of two I'm thinking about this more and more... But, you know, on the flip side, I always had older friends and acquaintances when I was a teen, but mainly through postal mail and amateur press associations. No Web.
- Mark Dykeman
Mark, this is a bigger issue that can't get tackled in one post. MyBlogLog and others try to differentiate between "friend", "contact" and "fan", but it all ends up getting muddled.
- Louis Gray
This is like mental age - your 'web age' is around 18-23. ; )
- Erhan Erdogan
I agree with your concern and understand your reasoning, but from a mother's perspective, I would much rather my 15-year-old son be reading technology news online and friending people like you and others than doing less favorable things like have been on the news recently.
- Trish R
Louis - I think the age mix is GREAT (and as you know, I'm just 'a few years' older than you :) Example: The relationship you developed with Pat Hawks (that I was just going to blog about??). It spanned TONS of websites with a positive result. When Seidman is younger than you, you're old.
- Charlie Anzman
I'm mostly just thinking out loud and hoping to engage some conversation around the issue. It's clearly working, even if I have a few people thinking I doth protest too much (which I don't).
- Louis Gray
I think, ultimately, it's a matter of intent. If you scour the internet for youngin's to Friend or Follow - well, that is creepy. If you're looking for like-minded individuals whose blogs, tweets, etc are interesting and provocative - who cares how young/old the subject is. In the end, we choose to follow people for the information or access to information that they provide - not if they are of legal age of consent. Or at least, I hope we do....
- George Smith
Long gone are the days when people we knew were easily categorised as family, friend, acquaintance, colleague and nemesis. Nowadays, we all sit in so many categories that social relationships benefit more from multiple "tags" than single categories.
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
@slippy lane. I do like Jeremey Keith's XEN though. http://xen.adactio.com/
- David Owens
@Louis I think we need a new definition for 'Friend', or perhaps a true alternative relationship identification. I agree with the normal social concerns around befriending a younger person, but there are clearly differences between online-only (somewhat impersonal), telephone (a bit more personal) and in-person (potentially creepy!)
- Jim McCusker
Does knowing that you have minors following you make you post differently?
- Yolanda
Social media is disruptive on many levels, including (not surprisingly) the real-life social level. Few social mores exist, and "creepy" can be entirely in the eye of the beholder. For example, we might all think it's great for middle-aged guys to exchange ideas with 20 year old co-eds online. If that turned into a get-together at a bar, it starts to look pretty different.
- Tom Cunniff
@Yolanda, it does not. I don't cuss or link inappropriately as it is. I was once guided to assume my mom read my blog, and since she does, I should keep things nice and clean, for her, or minors, or anyone.
- Louis Gray
It can be creepy. I've had to monitor the friending process. @Robert does have a good point about the "smart youngsters". It would be unfortunate if they couldn't learn from the good stuff that happens here. Common sense is what helps determine our approach. Good point/questions on your post.
- phil baumann
Excellent advice on assuming your mom reads. Of course, I know my mom wouldn't. She keeps referring to Google as goggle. Sometimes I feel like I can just post whatever amuses me at the moment. Then, sometimes I remember what if a future employer, etc were to find something I've said... Is there no place to be yourself anymore? :)
- Yolanda
Funny, but it's not creepy. I've been a friend of people with the triple of my age since I was 15 and it only helped develop me into a better person. Indeed, it was being friends with people my age that has got me bad habits and troubles. If those kids want to have a _real_ conversation, by all means allow them to have it, Louis. Receiving real attention by really smart and interesting people is what our youth needs to get back on track.
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
totally agree, in general the internet has brought us many gifts and alot of screwed up scary baggage, an friending for as harmless as it seems does get kinda creepy
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Good post, covering a topic which deserves more attenction. I fully agree with you: in my situation, being 44 and father of four children (or should I say "boys") the situation imay be even worse. Years ago was different, since internet was only for few people, mainly adult and working in research or industry. Besides this, people who were young when internet began, are now getting old (including myself)... attenction and responsability is needed, I think.
- Marco Castellani
@Louis - yes, the issue does get much more complex when the definition of "friend" is brought into it. Having said that, I must admit that if I'm approached by a young person in social media who I know nothing about, I'm very cautious (not always sure I'd want my mom reading my social media stuff... :) because I'm so conscious of the age difference. Which really sucks, in a way, because I remember what it's like at that age.
- Mark Dykeman
What would you prefer? The in-depth "acquantince?" "Friend?" "Lover?" "Dude I drank with once?" It comes down to trying to *make* friends or deciding you only want to deal with a certain group of people. I suppose it depends on the account they're trying to friend you on... i.e. Facebook (personal information) and FriendFeed (generic feed of stuff).
- keif
from twhirl
Louis, in some way it's like subscribing to authors of books, essays, fiction or magazine articles. I don't often think of the ages of the writers of what I read -- many are long gone. In any case, we're all on a time-based conveyer belt sliding us closer to not-being every year. In the blink of an eye, the young people who subscribe to you will be older (and probably wiser) than we older people are. On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog, or that you are 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 or even 90-years-old.
- David Newman
Its the people that don't ever ask themselves this question or think of it and push it from their mind that worry me.
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
i think its very valid to consider intent when adding anyone to your social grid (no matter the tool) but age should be secondary, i dealt w/ this awhile ago when a number of young college kids from the west coast started following me on twitter & facebook, i did the research and asked "why?" turns out i surfaced in one of their comp-sci classes so it became a mentoring situation, np - btw my 19 y/o son is on ff all the time - i like that he interacts w/ me & others here - age should really be irrelevant
- mike "glemak" dunn
I don't get Louis's hesitation. I volunteer with tweens, and I've kept up with several of them as they've grown up through their teen years. I email them, and send them messages on Facebook, and talk to them on Skype, and their parents don't bat an eye. As long the conversations are 1) in a public place, or 2) on everyday topics in an easily accessible private place, like email, I think I'm fine. But then, that's me.
- Brent Newhall
@Brent - but in the examples that you have provided, you meet the young people in person first, correct? That can give you a recognition and trust factor that you don't get when it's all virtual.
- Mark Dykeman
Age should not be a factor. Being discriminated against for being young can be one of the worst things that can happen to young people.
- Yuvi
I agree that we should not shut out the young, but I, er, had a friend who had experiences in real life and online where teen boys said they developed crushes on her. This very nearly made this FRIEND hide under the bed for the rest of her life. How does one avoid that?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I think the same thing about friending older people. I tend to think they usually don't know how to use the site (ie Facebook).. Sometimes I add, sometimes I don't. Facebook definitely creeps me out when it comes to this.
- Liz
It can also be awkward especially when you have different groups of friends who know you from different stages of your life... they all collide in Facebook and I am not sure I really want that! Facebook is older friends and college folks who i had lost touch with over the past 10 years and i use MySpace for my friends who live right around me.
- Scott Lockhart
I'm old and I'm not happy. Everything today is improved and I don't like it. I hate it! In my day we didn't have hair dryers. If you wanted to blow dry your hair you stood outside during a hurricane. Your hair was dry but you had a sharp piece of wood driven clear through your skull and that's the way it was and you liked it! You loved it. Whoopee, I'm a human head-kabob.
- Thomas Hawk
As a woman in her late 50s, I'm holding a couple of tech-minority cards, and I applaud all who agree that age doesn't matter when it comes to intellectual discourse. Neither does gender or race or economic status or anything else except maybe the ability to type... I'm also a firm believer in being responsible for yourself and your own actions. That's part of being in a society. Teach your kids to speak up if something's inappropriate, and defend your privacy if you have to. Just don't hide from fear.
- Linda Mills
Robert Scoble had an article on Alana Taylor.. basically (Intern/Girl Geek looking for employment in Tech), her networking is an open resume done on line in public, I think that’s kind of up front, the same for Corvida and how she got her place at RWW.
- Mike Reardon
Wow. I never think about people's ages, but I guess if you are a guy talking to younger women or even men, that could look funny. Many young people follow me and I feel like I'm teaching.
- Francine Hardaway
Re: Three Statistics That Lie - http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc...
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"Absolutely true! But that probably explains why I spend so much more time over on FriendFeed than anywhere else lately. The most engaging people are hanging out there. Twitter is a great place to do something other than engage with a lot of people. I'm still there too, but less and less, especially when it's down."
- Robert Scoble
5 Little Mac Apps That Flickr Will Thank You For - http://www.makeuseof.com/tag...
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