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Cameron Neylon
Data is what you do with it (or what you enable others to do)
...and not how you store it - Cameron Neylon
Was trying to capture the sentiment from neilfws' post last week in a soundbite - Cameron Neylon
Are the 'how you store it' and the 'what you can do with it' not somewhat related? - Jan Wessnitzer
I see 'how you store it' more related to 'what you enable others to do with it'. - Kubke
Definitely related then? ;) - Jan Wessnitzer
Jan, the point I think I'm getting to is that they shouldn't be. What matters is the interface layer, the API, and not the data format itself. I think this is Deepak's point about data warehousing versus data transport, and Neil's about the importance of APIs - Cameron Neylon
hrm. format has a fairly substantial influence on the APIs that can be written. this is why so many are up in arms about putting data in PDF. - D0r0th34
The thing about pdfs though is that you're throwing a lot of the information away. But maybe its a good example - pdf is fine as long as it is the interface through which people see the data (and they want it that way) but as a backend data format it is a problem? Why? Because it makes it impossible to present it in other ways (through other interfaces). So the problem is in a sense mistaking the use case and the use of the pdf as an "API for the human eyeball client" vs a data format. - Cameron Neylon
Looking at that I'm not sure it makes sense: Second try. The problem with pdfs is the things you can't do with them. If you could pull out the data that is usually thrown away when a pdf is made via some sort of interface it would be fine. I have to say I was thinking more in terms of spreadsheets and relational databases rather pdfs though. Anyway - working out whether it was a useful thought was the reason for putting it out - Cameron Neylon
Not a million miles away from this is this video of Jan Velterop from the Berlin 7 Conference:- http://www.canalc2.tv/video... Slides are here:- http://www.berlin7.org/IMG... albiet in .pdf format !! Oh the irony ;-) - Graham Steel
Here's what I think Cameron is saying with "Second try": PDF is a great way to *present* charts, text, etc., based on data so you'll know they appear the way you intended--but there should always be accessible *data* (in a widely-translatable spreadsheet or database format if not in XML or some neutral form) behind that presentation. (As a non-scientist, that's what I'd do if preparing a data-heavy document that others could reasonably build on.) - Walt Crawford
Or, crudely: PDF is a presentation format. It is not a data format. - Walt Crawford
Walt, that captures it quite well. Treating a pdf like a data format is like treating a tap like water. Bound to end in tears. - Cameron Neylon
Thanks. As Dorothea can tell you, I'm a big user of/believer in PDF--as a presentation format. But I understand that that's what it is. If my library blog studies were worth building on, I'd make the data available in .xslx or .xsl form (since those are widely translatable). - Walt Crawford
Personal anecdote on the pdf front: My talks have now got so big that slideshare won't take them so I have to upload as pdf often. This is of course a pain because people can't then re-use the bits from the slides anywhere near as easily as if I put up ppt or keynote files. But pdf at least means people can see what I did and ask if they want the originals. Of course - this doesn't... more... - Cameron Neylon
Cameron: Yabbut. This was entirely independent research, with no paycheck, no sponsorship, and the *hope* of maybe earning half of minimum wage through book sales. Given that, I'd at least like to know before someone else turns it into a consulting gig or otherwise. Maybe that's selfish. I dunno: The community of wholly unpaid/unsponsored researchers isn't that coherent. - Walt Crawford
If I could encourage researchers to consider just one idea, I think it would be the relationship between how data are stored/formatted and the end use(s) of that data. Simple example: the versatility of delimited text - you can import it to a spreadsheet, load it into a database, read it into R and so on. Similarly, realise when a format is graphical/presentation-oriented. As a friend of mine likes to say: "there's no information in a Word document; it's a graphical representation of information." - Neil Saunders
Neil: As a simple humanist, your friend's statement puzzles me. Does this mean that text does not constitute information? And that you can't export a table from Word into a spreadsheet? In fact, a Word document is not a graphical representation of anything, and there are those of us who regard words, sentences and paragraphs as primary sources of information. - Walt Crawford
Binary might be a better word than graphical. I think what he means is that the text in a Word document is not actually stored as text, making the information more difficult to extract, computationally. - Neil Saunders
Walt: as someone who's drunk the OA koolaid the counter argument would be that you're better off using that research as advertising with the aim that someone will then pay you to do more. But its a classic personal against global thing- by making data available you make it more possible for more people to do effective research, raise profile and bring more money in. Doesn't mean that you personally will get that money. - Cameron Neylon
Knowledge=People+Information , in other words Information=Data has little meaning without a Person interpreting and making sense of it. Let me know, if you need more references on this. - joergkurtwegner
Can anyone point me to the post of neilfs on soundbite and any other references, which might be of interest? Fight information fragmentation ;-) - joergkurtwegner
Steve Koch
Submitted CAREER proposal & posted to Scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc... Open proposal for an open science project!
Thank you to everyone who helped and encouraged on this and offered future support! Among many things, one thing I'm a bit embarrassed about is the lack of details in the "broader impacts" and open science parts of the proposal. Definitely it needs more planning and better writing, and the panelists are going to point that out. Hopefully you all understand that it's a product of spending all my time trying to make the research parts as good as I could. - Steve Koch
good luck Steve! - Jean-Claude Bradley
A small step for a team, but a giant leap for #science . - Daniel Mietchen
Thanks everyone! I sort of dropped off the map after submitting the proposal. One of my most successful attempts at actually vacating during a vacation. - Steve Koch
Bummer! Just found out tonight that the proposal was not funded. I have done one read-through of the reviews. First of all, I am once again amazed at the time and effort the reviewers put into reviewing my proposal. There were 6 reviewers in total and they all had a page or more of feedback. And they all pretty much agreed on the main points: (a) interesting proposal that is worth... more... - Steve Koch
Thank you Jean-Claude, Andy, Cameron, and Drew for the Open Science support letters! I am sure that was key to the very positive reviews for Open Science. Thank you to everyone else on friendfeeed who supports me and our other lab members. We now have 7 months to obtain the preliminary data and get a couple publications, and indeed we are now poised to do so. I am confident the lab members can do this, and by eliminating (b) and (c) above, all signs point towards this being a very strong proposal next time. - Steve Koch
well done all 'round! next time you'll knock 'em dead. - D0r0th34
for the CAREER third time is often the charm - good luck for next round - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks, Jean-Claude and Dorothea. The CAREER "3rd time's a charm" effect is part of the reason I submitted without strong preliminary data. (But I also thought we'd be able to generate the data in time for the 2nd submission. Now, though, I'm SURE we can before July :) ) - Steve Koch
After thinking about it for a couple days now, I am still very happy that they viewed the open science so positively. I think that's a big deal. - Steve Koch
absolutely Steve - very good feedback about OS being a positive to the funders - Jean-Claude Bradley
Steve, this looks really really promising. If you can come up with interesting data for the next resubmit, I think you have a great chance to get funded. Congratulations! - Bill Hooker
Thanks, Bill! - Steve Koch
Carey Lumeng
You know you want it....HP reincarnates calculators on iPhone - CNET Reviews - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19... (via http://friendfeed.com/iphone-...)
You know you want it....HP reincarnates calculators on iPhone - CNET Reviews - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10273119-233.html (via http://ff.im/4tWaK)
Given the UI flexibility of the iPhone, why recreate older, less intuitive HP calculator interfaces? - Steve Levin
@Steve: Nostalgia, I guess. - Christopher Granade
This would probably work better with a Bold and the clickable screen. I do miss the feel and thunk of pressing the keys on that thing. - Carey Lumeng
Older?...yes. Less intuitive? You've obviously never used the HP-12c. It has the best interface around for time value of money (TVM) calculations. Also, if you can't wrap your head around RPN logic, you could always turn that feature off. Best of all, with an app like this I can leave my HP-12c at home. - Edwin Webster
Allyson Lister
Science Commons provide a list of considerations for researchers looking to license their ontology - http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009...
Back in March, I wrote a blog post about my experiences trying to find out a) if ontologies should be licensed, b) if ontologies could be licensed, and c) what sort of license would be appropriate. After all, it isn’t clear what sort of thing an ontology is: is it software, or is it a [...] - Allyson Lister
Frank
Ontology sharing and copyright considerations - http://sciencecommons.org/weblog...
Roderic Page
Stefano’s Linotype » Data Smoke and Mirrors - http://www.betaversion.org/~stefan...
I wrote previously about the fact that without a high relational density, having a dataset in RDF doesn’t give any practical advantage over having it in its original format. Yet, from a marketing/political point of view, the simple act of “triplifying” a dataset and make it available on the web as linked dataseems to make it appear all more powerful, all more useful and it’s being used a lot as a way to promote the idea that the web of data is finally getting traction. Today, I stumbled upon this page which contains all the datasets made available by data.gov triplified as RDF. The result yields an eyebrowse-raising 5 billion triples, more than the entire LOD effort today. Having tried to import some of that data in Freebase myself, I looked a little deeper to see if I could build on their effort and make my import a little easier… what I found didn’t please me. - Roderic Page
Michael Kuhn
Darren Wilkinson
The image is "constructed from 21,625 unique images of yeast spots growing on agar" :) - Simon Cockell
too cool - thanks to conor :) (and darren for pointing it out!) - Allyson Lister
Cameron Neylon
Show us the data now damnit! Excuses are running out. - http://blog.openwetware.org/science...
I "Facebooked" it, but my group is a very small one :-) - Slavomira Vladimirova
Damn straight. - Bill Hooker
Maybe part of the 'review process' for PLoS ONE should be to make sure the data is included. That is, having data available should be part of the 'technically sound' criteria. - Andrew Lang
That's more or less what I was arguing - difficult to get people to buy into it though - Cameron Neylon
Great post, Cameron. Totally agreed. Puzzling that so many people claim to be doing science, but yet refuse to go along with what is a cornerstone of the scientific method (reproducibility). - 'Mummi' Thorisson
I think it's a matter of culture change. Once they start reusing other people data, they'll be more inclined to publish their own. And if including the data becomes sort of a sine qua non, they'll get used to it. - François Dongier
It is still hard work to get data into good shape - that's why we need better tools and why I'm a little hesitant about taking a hard line. Nonetheless we need some movement on this. - Cameron Neylon
Even so: say if authors had not initially made data available but on the whole (minus some exceptions) they had complied with requests for data, that would have been perhaps not too terrible (given current lack of tools/culture/etc). But ONE out of ten, and four flat refusals? Gimme a break. - 'Mummi' Thorisson
pull quote: If you can’t be bothered putting your data into a shape worthy of publication then the conclusions you have based on that data are worthless. You should not be allowed to publish. End of" - Frank
Very much awaiting Plos's official response to the violation of the PLoS policy on data sharing. Data can get lost, largely IMHO becasue labs have extremely poor data management protocols in place. I belevie to really enforce this, the data submission has to occur and the same time as the textual synopsis, unfortuately you cant rely on the researcher managing their assests efficiently. Also, it can be hard to find the lab book and all the experiments associated with it - so stop using paper! - Frank
Although, we often look to the journals to enforce this, should we not be catching this during the (brokem) peer-review stage? "thank you for you article, unfortunately you did not include you data with your submission, so it is impossible for me to determine if you are blatently lying or not"... - Frank
I agree that it should be handled at peer review stage but this requires education of editors and peer reviewers...which requires time and effort... - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
well we send out reviewer logins and they don't get used that much. reviewers don't check the data deposition. the system runs on trust. - Helen Parkinson from email
Getting journals to require more data is certainly an important step - but just the first step. Until researchers believe that it benefits them to share as much data as possible compliance will be perfunctory. Leaving out relevant failed or ambiguous experiments will not be required by journals. Researchers who intend to be as open as possible will find ways of sharing irrespective of journal policies. - Jean-Claude Bradley
Researchers who intend to be open aren't the problem, Jean-Claude. - D0r0th34
@Helen, hence the need for education. But no-one is going to like that... - Cameron Neylon
Dorothea - that's the point I was trying to make - even if data submission is mandatory we should not be surprised if the quality and quantity is not as helpful as expected. - Jean-Claude Bradley
the institutional-repository lesson in a nutshell :) - D0r0th34
I wonder if the problem isn't correlated with the fact that asking a scientist to publish his data along with his paper serves two very distinct and orthogonal purposes: 1. verification (i.e. replicability) of the paper's claim 2. serenpidity, i.e. reuse of this data by other scientists in unexpected ways. - François Dongier
@Frank: for a while now, as a reviewer I have been almost-routinely asking authors for their data -- whenever I have a question that the data could answer. I also include a comment about how, if I'd had the data, I wouldn't have needed to play 20 questions to get my answer -- and their review would have been that much faster. But maybe I should go a step further and routinely add a... more... - Bill Hooker
Bill that is a great point - the reviewers have a lot of power in this situation - Jean-Claude Bradley
Hmm, I've never asked for data. Maybe I should... - Björn Brembs
Reviewers and editors. I raised this on the PLoS ONE forum and got a fair bit of push back - maybe time to bring it up again. Anna makes a good point on the blog - basically if it isn't either in the paper or in a public database it may as well not exist. We need to up the ante. - Cameron Neylon
Is there any way to search PLoS ONE comments? I wonder if anyone has commented "where's the data?" - Andrew Lang
No way to search, but since I have read every single comment on PLoS ONE I can tell you, nobody asked that (yet). - Bora Zivkovic
@Andrew, @Bora : Have the "reliability" scores on those articles plummeted? - Steve Koch
Maybe I'm interminably naive, but I still think the majority of scientists would love to share their data as usefully as possibly. And as people have said above, a problem is scientists lack the talents, skills, knowledge, and time to do so. Perhaps motivation (e.g. from reviewers and journals) can help, but I really think it's the tools that are being developed that will solve the... more... - Steve Koch
good question re reliability scores, Steve, and I agree with (A) and particularly (B), on this maybe reiterate Cameron's query: http://ff.im/7OUUd - Claudia Koltzenburg
Regarding the reliability scores of the 10 articles, I now see that I don't know which ten articles were investigated (or am I missing it?). I presume that information is intentionally hidden. Which begs the question: what are the "data" from this article (i.e. the Savage and Vickers article)? How easy is it to reproduce this PLoS article? What could (should) they have done better in terms of data provenance? Where are their data? Am I being an ass, or is there a case study here? - Steve Koch
my guess would be that there are both legal and ethical reasons for not making private correspondence public. I'm happy to wait and see for the moment. - Cameron Neylon from fftogo
Yeah, I can see that...but in terms of research (data & reproducibility), how different are the "it's illegal" and "it's unethical" arguments to the "it's too hard" argument? I guess my main point is that the question of "how to provide the Savage and Vickers data" is a good example of how difficult is the question of how to best share data. But again, I may be being an ass :) - Steve Koch
No, I think its a good question - see also Maxine's comment here http://friendfeed.com/science... We need joined up thinking from project inception through publication and archival. It is easy to imagine research projects being funded where the results cannot be published because of a mismanaged consent process or other ethical... more... - Cameron Neylon
So I don't think you're being an ass - these are tough questions - and the fact that we are flailing about so much is an indication of how little of this we think hard about and get good advice on. - Cameron Neylon
has anyone had a look at 'Beautiful Data' (June 2009) yet re advice in this direction? or food for thought, for that matter; sizeable appetizer: http://oreilly.com/catalog... - Claudia Koltzenburg
I have to admit I haven't actually finished reading all the chapters yet. But lots of good food for thought (and I'm not just saying that because we have a chapter in there) - the Facebook chapter from Hammerbacher is excellent, I was a little dissappointed by Jeff Jonas' chapter because I wanted more detail on the actual implementation but it was a great introduction to his ideas. haven't got onto most of the visualisation chapters yet. - Cameron Neylon
The Facebook chapter is really good and the inspiration behind a lot of my own thinking about data in the sciences these days. I'll agree that Jeff's chapter didn't go quite as far as I would like. - Deepak Singh
Response at the PLoS Medicine blog: http://speakingofmedicine.plos.org/2009... - Bill Hooker
Updated the post to point to the PLoS Med post as well. Interesting that PLoS published without actually knowing which papers were involved. - Cameron Neylon
Question is, how do/should this be policed? Author refuses data, you dob them in to PLoS, PLoS blacklist them as authors? Can't see that happening. - Neil Saunders
General approach is that you dob authors into journal and they then apply pressure on your behalf. With the ultimate threat of retracting the paper. But this means it is all done behind closed doors. It may well take some high profile retractions to get movement on this. The only way forward ultimately is to insist on data being made available on publication on a public site (journal/other database) or a clear statements as to why this is not possible and that this is acceptable under journal policy. - Cameron Neylon
Neil Saunders
My small contribution to dust storm documentation - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
I know it must be no fun at all in the middle of that, but the images on the news this morning, and everything I've seen on flickr are simply amazing.. - Daniel Swan
The Flickr coverage is amazing. It wasn't so bad in terms of inconvenience (unless you were flying or catching a ferry), but the event was just very, very weird and fascinating. - Neil Saunders
Graham Steel
"Data's shameful neglect" - Research cannot flourish if data are not preserved and made accessible. All concerned must act accordingly. Nature Editorial, 10th Sept 2009 http://www.nature.com/nature...
"Finally, universities and individual disciplines need to undertake a vigorous programme of education and outreach about data. Consider, for example, that most university science students get a reasonably good grounding in statistics. But their studies rarely include anything about information management — a discipline that encompasses the entire life cycle of data, from how they are acquired and stored to how they are organized, retrieved and maintained over time. That needs to change: data management should be woven into every course in science, as one of the foundations of knowledge". - Graham Steel
Also see the replated report, link contained here:- http://www.nature.com/nature... - Graham Steel
Deena Mobbs
Major upgrade to industry standard flood estimation software
A major upgrade to the industry standard UK flood estimation software has been launched. WINFAP-FEH version 3 incorporates recent scientific advances to the Flood Estimation Handbook statistical methods and offers improved functionality and ease of use. - Deena Mobbs
Sarah Kendrew
speedcam fail! brilliant. (via tmblg) - http://kendroid.tumblr.com/post...
speedcam fail! brilliant. (via tmblg)
Wow! Amazing story! - Egon Willighagen
There's a strong whiff of "completely made up" about it (you'd detect it if you'd read enough UK tabloids and local papers). But it's a great story, nevertheless. - Neil Saunders
Yes actually if you think about it, it's not a very likely scenario.... But a nice story... - Sarah Kendrew
Roderic Page
Google, Wikipedia, and EOL - http://iphylo.blogspot.com/2009...
What does this all mean? Well, it seems clear that if people are using Google to find information about an organism, then Wikipedia is more likely than anything else to be the first result they see. It is also interesting that for all the energy (and funds) being expended on biodiversity databases (http://dx.doi.org/10...), ITIS is the only classical biodiversity database that routinely gets found in these searches (albeit in only a quarter of the searches). - Duncan Hull
anybody wanting to make basic biodiversity information available on the web, and attract readers to basic taxonomic literature, there really is only one game in town. - Duncan Hull
That's a great demonstration of how EOL is - well, failing. - Neil Saunders
So a couple of questions arise in my mind. Is it a failure of EOL to optimize their Web presence (SEO) OR is it a failure of EOL to properly market themselves to the user base OR is it a failure of the user to properly evaluate sources? For that matter, I'm not sure who the user in this instance is supposed to be. Is it someone searching out of idle curiosity or is it a professional,... more... - Jill O'Neill
"Who is the user?" is probably one of the questions EOL has failed to get to grips with. My experiments with Wikipedia assume that the "user" is anybody faced with a taxonomic name who wants to know "what is this thing?" In my case, I'd like a picture, a summary of what it does and where it lives, some links (to web sites and primary literature), and ideally a link to the original description. - Roderic Page
As Roderic says in the post it would be valuable if WP linked out to EOL and if a trail of people following those links looking for more detailed and "scientific" information could be demonstrated (and if it can't then EOL is certainly in trouble as a central resource) - Cameron Neylon
Duncan Hull
Shibboleth and OpenID usability problems | The discovery blog - Semantico - http://blogs.semantico.com/discove...
Federated authentication systems such as Shibboleth and OpenID exist to solve identity management problems but they both suffer from similar usability problems when users login and logout. - Duncan Hull
Shibuya246
Duncan Hull
Authenticating Scientists with OpenID - http://www.slideshare.net/dullhun...
Authenticating Scientists with OpenID
Not to mention the issue of OpenID providers who won't accept from other providers. - Neil Saunders
Thanx to OpenID I now have *2* MyExperiment accounts :) And cannot find how to reassign that OpenID to my real account :( - Egon Willighagen
agreed @Neil - the point about Yahoo! was made at solo09, and I heartily agree. I went to subscribe to a yahoo mailing list, then get a Flickr account, and each time got annoyed once again at the fact that Yahoo "openids" work in other places, but they do NOT accept other vendors' open ids! Grrr... - Allyson Lister
See also the related Web Services & Digital Identity track at http://xmlsummerschool.com/curricu... - Duncan Hull
Phil Lord
Science Online London 2009 - http://www.russet.org.uk/blog...
nice to see you still have a passion for looking on the bright side of life... - Frank
Maybe you're just better suited to the North. Wearing wet weather gear 9 mo/year is a small price to pay. - Helen Parkinson from email
Allyson Lister
Daniel Lemire
Change your perspective: instead of trying to sell yourself, try to help people. Write publicly and give presentations. Follow-up when you offer help. Make it easy for people to find you. - Daniel Lemire
Andreas Gohr
"One plugin to rule them all". Great generic DokuWiki plugin that makes a lot of tiny special plugins obsolete. - Andreas Gohr from Bookmarklet
Lisa Green
Today is the day the new puppy joins our house!!
Shibuya246
Neil Saunders
TwitBlock - ridding the Twitterverse of spam - http://www.twitblock.org/
Find out how many of your followers are junk and block - Neil Saunders
Very useful - Morgan
Buggy, but useful if only to see how many people you've blocked. I am a serial blocker! 439 so far :) - Andrew Spong
I just like the "easy block" facility. Saves me dealing with the bloody notification emails. I'm also a serial blocker :-) - Neil Saunders
Wow, I did not know about this tool thank you so much, Neil! - Benjamin Tseng
50 blocks for me, but that number is about to rise. I must not have gotten notification emails for a couple of these freaks. - Mr. Gunn
Scan complete. 203 accounts shown with a score over 25. Wow. Let's start blocking. I've already got a list of 101 blocks I've done the "old fashion" way... - Ricardo Vidal
For me, lots of valid accounts had a high score. In fact I blocked #3, 4, and 5, but #1 and 2 on my list, with a spam score over 100, were actually legitimate. - Mr. Gunn
My numbers were pretty accurate. Only had 2 folks within the 203 detected that were not spam. Needless to say that my number of blocked accounts just went over 300 :P - Ricardo Vidal
Nice find Neil ! Their "not blocked by anyone we know" is close to the "network of trust" Twitter blocklist I've been looking for. - Andrew Perry from Android
Sure, some valid people may score high but in my experience, undesirables are always higher. And the UI makes it very easy to sift through - e.g. you see runs of the same avatar. - Neil Saunders
very nice tool - Nicolas Bertrand
Peter Binfield
You thought it was a cell phone? It's a microscope! PLoS ONE paper: http://www.plosone.org/article...
"we have built a mobile phone-mounted light microscope and demonstrated its potential for clinical use by imaging P. falciparum-infected and sickle red blood cells in brightfield and M. tuberculosis-infected sputum samples in fluorescence with LED excitation. In all cases resolution exceeded that necessary to detect blood cell and microorganism morphology, and with the tuberculosis... more... - Daniel Mietchen
Daniel Swan
45+ Excellent Code Snippet Resources and Repositories - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009...
45+ Excellent Code Snippet Resources and Repositories from the diverse 'Smashing Magazine'. Good to see Stackoverflow at the top of the list! - Daniel Swan
Duncan Hull
Does OpenID need to be hard? | FactoryCity - http://factoryjoe.com/blog...
We’re at this crossroads where it really doesn’t matter which OpenID provider you use — because while it might save you the hassle of creating yet another password — there’s little else that you can do with an OpenID beyond that. And, if you’ve already got more than one OpenID, not much exists to help you decide which OpenID provider you should use (many people tell me: “I hate OpenID! I’ve got like 15 OpenIDs and I never know which one to use!”). So on the one hand, we’ve done a poor job of building out the value of using an OpenID, and on the other, have failed to explain what it means to have an OpenID (or several) or how to go about deciding which one to use and why (hat tip to OpenID Explained for taking a crack at it). Meanwhile, there’s a tension between the convenience of having one reusable and durable identity against the desire to express many aspects of one’s identity with many separate IDs, resulting in complex user interfaces. - Duncan Hull
I relate to this! I seem to have various OpenIDs without really trying. Then I used one of them on Twitterfeed to put an RSS feed into my Twitter account. I thought I knew which ID it was but I am now unable to uncouple the feed! I don't know if my problem is OpenID, Twitterfeed, or my poor memory. - Frank Norman
@Frank I put it down to immature technology and user error too :-) - Duncan Hull
Jay Rosen
Why people interested in science might want to try Twitter. Send this to a skeptical friend. http://www.bioone.org/cookiea... (With a nod to mindcasting)
Jay, after more then a year of using a Twitter, with only aim mindcasting and conversation, I don't see any advantage of this tool compare to blogging and FF - Alexey from iPhone
I agree Alexey, except that the increased number of people on Twitter makes for some interesting emergent behavior - Mr. Gunn
You might also want to send your skeptical friend a link to our new science site http://sciencepond.com/ - Greg Galant
@Mr. Gunn - I hope it going to happen soon. That's why I'm still in - Alexey from iPhone
I agree with Jay and Greg, ideas like sciencepond.com are great and make me feel like it is a must to attract more analytical people that can connect the dots on making interesting contributions. - Ben Friedle
Cameron Neylon
Opportunity for initial development in Wave? - OMII UK Call for proposals in data management (pdf) http://www.omii.ac.uk/attach...
Sounds good for a start: "Typically, projects will be 6 - 12 months in length and involve up to 24 person months of effort. Funding will be made under EPSRC terms and conditions, i.e. 80% of total project cost under fEC. The closing date for this call is 14/8/09 with funding decisions being made by mid September and projects starting from October 2009. All projects must be completed by the end of November 2010." - Daniel Mietchen
Also looking at it it can involve experienced people in overseas places. I was thinking perhaps brilliant programmers marooned in the south of France? - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
I take it this is entirely unrelated to the following call...? http://www.jisc.ac.uk/funding... - Neil Swainston
How can you write or be involved in a project if you don't know the capabilities of the application? Or is it just for a select group of insiders? - Paulo Nuin
Its a separate call to the JISC one. I'm not sure that this would fit with the OMII call either but it seemed like it might be worth a shot. Paulo, we're just starting to get some idea, and have had some good discussions with the Google team and others over the past week. I'm not in a position to give out accounts but will be trying to dig into the possibilities and problems and making... more... - Cameron Neylon
Could one tie that up with our blog3 project (if that gets funded, that is)? - Björn Brembs
I don't see why not - would be good to have that as an example of user interest in fact... - Cameron Neylon
I'd be on board (if you're happy to have me :) - are we any closer to a formal release date for wave yet do you know? (I'm planning next semester's courses). Also - will there be a way to migrate LaBlog to Wave? - Anna Croft
I'm looking when I have time to think at what would be involved in migrating the functionality of LaBLog to Wave. Some of it is easy, some probably difficult. But could be done with a full time developer I think. Yes, I'd be afer you as a test site definitely. Release data as it stands is "by end of year" as I understand it - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
If blog3 is the successor to LaBlog (??) and we get funded, this problem should be solved. - Björn Brembs
Bugger about end of year - my course will be over by then. But at least it will hopefully be in time for remote supervision for sabbatical. - Anna Croft
Well if we go with the OMII proposal that could be funded with expectation of starting in October. But I can't get my hands on extra Wave accounts until they are in proper beta - Cameron Neylon
I suspect blog3 and Wave are orthogonal really - but Wave could be a front end to blog 3 (or any other triple store - which is something else to explore). The UI functionality probably makes more sense to implement in Wave in any case as this is likely to be simpler and more flexible. - Cameron Neylon
Bring on the beta already. - Anna Croft
If they indeed open source everything, the question only will be how to best merge the functionalities to have a tool that serves scientists best. I personally don't care what this tool will be called in the end. blog3 surely provides way more scientifically valuable functionality than Wave, but conversely, Wave has a lot of functionality I wouldn't want to miss for using blog3, if that makes any sense. - Björn Brembs
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