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Allyson Lister
Ontogenesis (22 January 2010) In OntoGenesis we intend to provide biologists and bioinformaticians with the means to understand ontologies within the context of biological data; their nature; use; how they are built; and some of those bio-ontologies that exist. All of this is based upon knowing what an ontology is. This can then lead on to the motivation for their use in biology; how they are used; and so on. The definition of ontology is disputed and this is confounded by computer scientists having re-used and re-defined a discipline of philosophy. The definition here will not suit a lot of people and upset many (especially use of the word “concept”); We make no apology for this situation, only noting that the argument can take up resources better used in helping biologists describe and use their data more effectively. Robert Stevens, Alan Rector, Duncan Hull - Allyson Lister
there is also http://www.daml.org/ontolog... that has many different ontologies that can be used - mariana
Michael Barton
Is there a best practice for microbial genome annotation?
I think its more like the Perl culture "There is more than one way to do it !!" Best practices in bioinformatics is currently in an ad-hoc state of practice.Just like Damian Conways's Perl Best Practices is one of the best guide for good coding practices for Perl - hope we will also have a book on "Best Practices in Bioinformatics" soon, may be by a group of authors from LifeScientists room - what say ? - Khader Shameer
@Khader thats why we need flexible guidelines and not the constrained best practice. Several minimal guidelines have been already worked out for the different aspects of the life science domain. MIBBI (http://www.mibbi.org/index...) can be a good starting point in this case. - Abhishek Tiwari
I completely agree with you Neil, but some efforts towards developing well defined, documented workflows / protocols (can we call this as "Best Practices") to perform generic tasks (eg. annotation) will be useful for the community. I think several 'standards' (eg. MIRIAM/MIBBI) are developed to bring in a common frame work for routine tasks. I believe TLS is an ideal place to get a consensus about such practices and work on a wikibook of best practices in bioinformatics. - Khader Shameer
@Abishek : Best practices are not always "constrained", and constrained practices are impossible due to complexity of biological system - flexibility should be there. But my point is that even if MIBBI / other standards (http://www.mibbi.org/index...) are available for a long time - I've never seen them in research papers - is it due to poor visibility of such projects or no interest in promoting such initiative ? - Khader Shameer
Khader, In my opinion the main motive of guidelines is to avoid the disagreement while best practices try to bring an agreement in community. Also, people are using these guidelines. Its just lack of awareness otherwise more and more people will adopt them. Take any Biomodels database model or CellML repository model, they are well annotated according to MIRIAM guidelines. Allyson... more... - Abhishek Tiwari
I find the line "it's not like software development" to pretty much sum up some of the problems in bioinformatics. Why isn't it?!? - Neil Swainston
Hi Neil. Yep, all that you say is true. Just from a personal perspective, I've found that being "disciplined" in writing code (making nice, clean, interfaces to modules, unit testing, documenting) means that in the middle-to-long-run, quick answers are easier to come by. By building up a reasonably reliable library of classes (I'm a Java-geek), sticking the bits of Lego together is... more... - Neil Swainston
Couldn't put it better myself! I guess I'm lucky in so far as that I do have the luxury of longer timescales... until my contract expires. - Neil Swainston
Thanks Abishek for the pointers to application of different standards. My point is the goal of both best practices and standards are the same - getting a consensus to do repetitive experiments / workflows. But as Neil's are discussing - the choice of individual bioinformatics projects is mainly to get a good fix, rather than an excellent code base. But hope some degree of consensus can be obtained if people can follow standards as a first step. - Khader Shameer
Science isn't set up to reward coding standards. Funding agencies reward quick biological results, not infrastructure and software development. I'd argue that for every 5 biological grants, the NIH should be funding one software/database/computational infrastructure grant. The amount of data is only getting bigger. - Chris Miller
I'd agree with that, Chris. Career wise, it's pretty much immaterial whether I churn out a hack or something "good" and reusable. It's quite annoying. Grrrr!! - Neil Swainston
@Michael / Neil : I am agreeing with "Science isn't set up to reward coding standards", but as a subject in the interface of science and technology - it is high time that bioinformatics should embrace the standards. For Michael's question I was trying to make a point that if there is a standard/best practice/generic protocol for microbial genome annotation - he could have just followed... more... - Khader Shameer
too right Neil. is there a best practice for violin-making, vision quests, or coming-of-age experiences? ;) - Ian Holmes
srsly tho -- there are plenty of papers describing microbial genome annotation. it's still an open research area, but there are commonalities (repeats, transposons, genes, typical errors, ...) so I guess the rough union of those vague concepts would constitute the current best practice. not exactly a recipe... - Ian Holmes
:D best practice for violin-making, vision quests, or coming-of-age experiences :D - Neil, in the current era of bioinformatics with Webservices and Work-flows - having an SOP/BP is always help you to kick start the work in minimal time rather than going through all genome project paper for the flowcharts for annotations. - Khader Shameer
@ Ian : OK, finally that's something that Michael/any one interested in annotation to get from this thread. - Khader Shameer
@Neil - ^(chicken|egg)? - It could and should be that kind of procedure though. All the advice in the world isn't going to help the people that actually *use* your annotations. The current 'system' for annotating anything is so mindlessly broken I'm surprised it works at all. Now all it needs is a catchy name. Blight of Bioinformatics maybe? - Paul J. Davis
Thanks for the comments everyone. I'm going to read as many genome papers as possible and try and put what I read together. - Michael Barton
Just remembered this article: http://www.nature.com/nbt... whic is a good look at current annotation practices. I also finally found http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genomes... which describe's actual paramters that NCBI uses for gene prediction. - Paul J. Davis
Neil Saunders, I agree a lot of advice is available and it is definitely helpful. For example, I was not aware of something like MIARE (thanks to Abishek), am now implementing in our RNAi screen. But I can't agree with you if you define bioinformatics projects as non-agile. From a simple BLAST based sequence analysis to large scale data analysis is following agile approach. Think of n... more... - Khader Shameer
Thanks Paul,for the links to the articles. - Khader Shameer
Here's a paper that describes how microbes are annotated in Swiss-Prot: http://dx.doi.org/10... - Eric Jain
Neil : Just loved the definition "hack together something that works" :) - Khader Shameer
Would be good to get a group together, ideally in combination with the Genomic Standards Consortium (MIGS, other stuff, and they include the INSDC people) and maybe Ensembl types, and do the Minimum Information About Microbial Genome Annotation (MIAMGA). Sounds like it should have an exclamation mark after it -- MIAMGA! Could also maybe seed a wider (and neatly engineered so as not to... more... - Chris
As Chris eludes to, the MIxxx standards are not a set of guidelines dictating to researchers how to do their experiments. They are designed to ensure that if you do this type of experiment, then here are the things you should be recording and presenting in a particular manner. I think this balances an important point, that science by definition, is about innovation and exploring... more... - Frank
@Michael it sounds as if Microbial genome annotation is ripe for standardisation. Typically a comprehensive review of the annotation mechanisms occurs, which you suggested you were going to do. Then you highlight the commonalities and draft a proposal for a set of guidelines that meet these common processes. Then this is proposed an open to the community to debate, refine and implement. I am sure @Chris can help you with this process if you want :) - Frank
I could do that... Really though I think doing it within the GSC (itself within MIBBI) would be the best way to get (+/-)instant buy-in from lots of worthies. - Chris from twhirl
I used to be all over the agile approach - TDD, BDD, automated builds, design patterns. However now I don't think this approach is agile at all for science. It means extra time creating libraries and tests which may never even get used because the scientific project is a constantly moving target. You can make a library for what you need to do but then find out the result it produces doesn't fit the scientific story so it just gets chucked. - Michael Barton
I completely agree with Neil Saunders now about hacking something together with unix pipes and some scripts. If I end up using it more than a couple of times then I'll probably consider rewriting it as a library. - Michael Barton
I agree with principle of writing clean and elegant code than is well designed and thought out. My angst comes from seeing how much of my time I spent writing this type of code during my PhD and 95% was never used used more than once if at all. - Michael Barton
@Frank I've been reading sequence assembly papers recently. I should start reading annotation papers though as that's the next step for me. - Michael Barton
Cameron Neylon
Data is what you do with it (or what you enable others to do)
...and not how you store it - Cameron Neylon
Was trying to capture the sentiment from neilfws' post last week in a soundbite - Cameron Neylon
Are the 'how you store it' and the 'what you can do with it' not somewhat related? - Jan Wessnitzer
I see 'how you store it' more related to 'what you enable others to do with it'. - Kubke
Definitely related then? ;) - Jan Wessnitzer
Jan, the point I think I'm getting to is that they shouldn't be. What matters is the interface layer, the API, and not the data format itself. I think this is Deepak's point about data warehousing versus data transport, and Neil's about the importance of APIs - Cameron Neylon
The thing about pdfs though is that you're throwing a lot of the information away. But maybe its a good example - pdf is fine as long as it is the interface through which people see the data (and they want it that way) but as a backend data format it is a problem? Why? Because it makes it impossible to present it in other ways (through other interfaces). So the problem is in a sense mistaking the use case and the use of the pdf as an "API for the human eyeball client" vs a data format. - Cameron Neylon
Looking at that I'm not sure it makes sense: Second try. The problem with pdfs is the things you can't do with them. If you could pull out the data that is usually thrown away when a pdf is made via some sort of interface it would be fine. I have to say I was thinking more in terms of spreadsheets and relational databases rather pdfs though. Anyway - working out whether it was a useful thought was the reason for putting it out - Cameron Neylon
Not a million miles away from this is this video of Jan Velterop from the Berlin 7 Conference:- http://www.canalc2.tv/video... Slides are here:- http://www.berlin7.org/IMG... albiet in .pdf format !! Oh the irony ;-) - Graham Steel
Here's what I think Cameron is saying with "Second try": PDF is a great way to *present* charts, text, etc., based on data so you'll know they appear the way you intended--but there should always be accessible *data* (in a widely-translatable spreadsheet or database format if not in XML or some neutral form) behind that presentation. (As a non-scientist, that's what I'd do if preparing a data-heavy document that others could reasonably build on.) - Walt Crawford
Or, crudely: PDF is a presentation format. It is not a data format. - Walt Crawford
Walt, that captures it quite well. Treating a pdf like a data format is like treating a tap like water. Bound to end in tears. - Cameron Neylon
Thanks. As Dorothea can tell you, I'm a big user of/believer in PDF--as a presentation format. But I understand that that's what it is. If my library blog studies were worth building on, I'd make the data available in .xslx or .xsl form (since those are widely translatable). - Walt Crawford
Personal anecdote on the pdf front: My talks have now got so big that slideshare won't take them so I have to upload as pdf often. This is of course a pain because people can't then re-use the bits from the slides anywhere near as easily as if I put up ppt or keynote files. But pdf at least means people can see what I did and ask if they want the originals. Of course - this doesn't... more... - Cameron Neylon
Cameron: Yabbut. This was entirely independent research, with no paycheck, no sponsorship, and the *hope* of maybe earning half of minimum wage through book sales. Given that, I'd at least like to know before someone else turns it into a consulting gig or otherwise. Maybe that's selfish. I dunno: The community of wholly unpaid/unsponsored researchers isn't that coherent. - Walt Crawford
Neil: As a simple humanist, your friend's statement puzzles me. Does this mean that text does not constitute information? And that you can't export a table from Word into a spreadsheet? In fact, a Word document is not a graphical representation of anything, and there are those of us who regard words, sentences and paragraphs as primary sources of information. - Walt Crawford
Walt: as someone who's drunk the OA koolaid the counter argument would be that you're better off using that research as advertising with the aim that someone will then pay you to do more. But its a classic personal against global thing- by making data available you make it more possible for more people to do effective research, raise profile and bring more money in. Doesn't mean that you personally will get that money. - Cameron Neylon
Knowledge=People+Information , in other words Information=Data has little meaning without a Person interpreting and making sense of it. Let me know, if you need more references on this. - joergkurtwegner
Can anyone point me to the post of neilfs on soundbite and any other references, which might be of interest? Fight information fragmentation ;-) - joergkurtwegner
Steve Koch
Submitted CAREER proposal & posted to Scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc... Open proposal for an open science project!
Thank you to everyone who helped and encouraged on this and offered future support! Among many things, one thing I'm a bit embarrassed about is the lack of details in the "broader impacts" and open science parts of the proposal. Definitely it needs more planning and better writing, and the panelists are going to point that out. Hopefully you all understand that it's a product of spending all my time trying to make the research parts as good as I could. - Steve Koch
good luck Steve! - Jean-Claude Bradley
A small step for a team, but a giant leap for #science . - Daniel Mietchen
Thanks everyone! I sort of dropped off the map after submitting the proposal. One of my most successful attempts at actually vacating during a vacation. - Steve Koch
Bummer! Just found out tonight that the proposal was not funded. I have done one read-through of the reviews. First of all, I am once again amazed at the time and effort the reviewers put into reviewing my proposal. There were 6 reviewers in total and they all had a page or more of feedback. And they all pretty much agreed on the main points: (a) interesting proposal that is worth... more... - Steve Koch
Thank you Jean-Claude, Andy, Cameron, and Drew for the Open Science support letters! I am sure that was key to the very positive reviews for Open Science. Thank you to everyone else on friendfeeed who supports me and our other lab members. We now have 7 months to obtain the preliminary data and get a couple publications, and indeed we are now poised to do so. I am confident the lab members can do this, and by eliminating (b) and (c) above, all signs point towards this being a very strong proposal next time. - Steve Koch
for the CAREER third time is often the charm - good luck for next round - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks, Jean-Claude and Dorothea. The CAREER "3rd time's a charm" effect is part of the reason I submitted without strong preliminary data. (But I also thought we'd be able to generate the data in time for the 2nd submission. Now, though, I'm SURE we can before July :) ) - Steve Koch
After thinking about it for a couple days now, I am still very happy that they viewed the open science so positively. I think that's a big deal. - Steve Koch
absolutely Steve - very good feedback about OS being a positive to the funders - Jean-Claude Bradley
Steve, this looks really really promising. If you can come up with interesting data for the next resubmit, I think you have a great chance to get funded. Congratulations! - Bill Hooker
Thanks, Bill! - Steve Koch
Carey Lumeng
You know you want it....HP reincarnates calculators on iPhone - CNET Reviews - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19... (via http://friendfeed.com/iphone-...)
You know you want it....HP reincarnates calculators on iPhone - CNET Reviews - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10273119-233.html (via http://ff.im/4tWaK)
Given the UI flexibility of the iPhone, why recreate older, less intuitive HP calculator interfaces? - Steve Levin
@Steve: Nostalgia, I guess. - Chris Granade
This would probably work better with a Bold and the clickable screen. I do miss the feel and thunk of pressing the keys on that thing. - Carey Lumeng
Older?...yes. Less intuitive? You've obviously never used the HP-12c. It has the best interface around for time value of money (TVM) calculations. Also, if you can't wrap your head around RPN logic, you could always turn that feature off. Best of all, with an app like this I can leave my HP-12c at home. - Edwin Webster
Allyson Lister
Science Commons provide a list of considerations for researchers looking to license their ontology - http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009...
Back in March, I wrote a blog post about my experiences trying to find out a) if ontologies should be licensed, b) if ontologies could be licensed, and c) what sort of license would be appropriate. After all, it isn’t clear what sort of thing an ontology is: is it software, or is it a [...] - Allyson Lister
Frank
Ontology sharing and copyright considerations - http://sciencecommons.org/weblog...
Roderic Page
Stefano’s Linotype » Data Smoke and Mirrors - http://www.betaversion.org/~stefan...
I wrote previously about the fact that without a high relational density, having a dataset in RDF doesn’t give any practical advantage over having it in its original format. Yet, from a marketing/political point of view, the simple act of “triplifying” a dataset and make it available on the web as linked dataseems to make it appear all more powerful, all more useful and it’s being used a lot as a way to promote the idea that the web of data is finally getting traction. Today, I stumbled upon this page which contains all the datasets made available by data.gov triplified as RDF. The result yields an eyebrowse-raising 5 billion triples, more than the entire LOD effort today. Having tried to import some of that data in Freebase myself, I looked a little deeper to see if I could build on their effort and make my import a little easier… what I found didn’t please me. - Roderic Page
Michael Kuhn
Darren Wilkinson
The image is "constructed from 21,625 unique images of yeast spots growing on agar" :) - Simon Cockell
too cool - thanks to conor :) (and darren for pointing it out!) - Allyson Lister
Graham Steel
"Data's shameful neglect" - Research cannot flourish if data are not preserved and made accessible. All concerned must act accordingly. Nature Editorial, 10th Sept 2009 http://www.nature.com/nature...
"Finally, universities and individual disciplines need to undertake a vigorous programme of education and outreach about data. Consider, for example, that most university science students get a reasonably good grounding in statistics. But their studies rarely include anything about information management — a discipline that encompasses the entire life cycle of data, from how they are acquired and stored to how they are organized, retrieved and maintained over time. That needs to change: data management should be woven into every course in science, as one of the foundations of knowledge". - Graham Steel
Also see the replated report, link contained here:- http://www.nature.com/nature... - Graham Steel
Roderic Page
Google, Wikipedia, and EOL - http://iphylo.blogspot.com/2009...
So a couple of questions arise in my mind. Is it a failure of EOL to optimize their Web presence (SEO) OR is it a failure of EOL to properly market themselves to the user base OR is it a failure of the user to properly evaluate sources? For that matter, I'm not sure who the user in this instance is supposed to be. Is it someone searching out of idle curiosity or is it a professional,... more... - Jill O'Neill
"Who is the user?" is probably one of the questions EOL has failed to get to grips with. My experiments with Wikipedia assume that the "user" is anybody faced with a taxonomic name who wants to know "what is this thing?" In my case, I'd like a picture, a summary of what it does and where it lives, some links (to web sites and primary literature), and ideally a link to the original description. - Roderic Page
As Roderic says in the post it would be valuable if WP linked out to EOL and if a trail of people following those links looking for more detailed and "scientific" information could be demonstrated (and if it can't then EOL is certainly in trouble as a central resource) - Cameron Neylon
Shibuya246
Phil Lord
Science Online London 2009 - http://www.russet.org.uk/blog...
nice to see you still have a passion for looking on the bright side of life... - Frank
Maybe you're just better suited to the North. Wearing wet weather gear 9 mo/year is a small price to pay. - Helen Parkinson from email
Allyson Lister
Daniel Lemire
Change your perspective: instead of trying to sell yourself, try to help people. Write publicly and give presentations. Follow-up when you offer help. Make it easy for people to find you. - Daniel Lemire
Andreas Gohr
"One plugin to rule them all". Great generic DokuWiki plugin that makes a lot of tiny special plugins obsolete. - Andreas Gohr from Bookmarklet
Lisa Green
Today is the day the new puppy joins our house!!
Shibuya246
Peter Binfield
You thought it was a cell phone? It's a microscope! PLoS ONE paper: http://www.plosone.org/article...
"we have built a mobile phone-mounted light microscope and demonstrated its potential for clinical use by imaging P. falciparum-infected and sickle red blood cells in brightfield and M. tuberculosis-infected sputum samples in fluorescence with LED excitation. In all cases resolution exceeded that necessary to detect blood cell and microorganism morphology, and with the tuberculosis... more... - Daniel Mietchen
Daniel Swan
45+ Excellent Code Snippet Resources and Repositories - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009...
45+ Excellent Code Snippet Resources and Repositories from the diverse 'Smashing Magazine'. Good to see Stackoverflow at the top of the list! - Daniel Swan
Jay Rosen
Why people interested in science might want to try Twitter. Send this to a skeptical friend. http://www.bioone.org/cookiea... (With a nod to mindcasting)
Jay, after more then a year of using a Twitter, with only aim mindcasting and conversation, I don't see any advantage of this tool compare to blogging and FF - Alexey from iPhone
I agree Alexey, except that the increased number of people on Twitter makes for some interesting emergent behavior - Mr. Gunn
You might also want to send your skeptical friend a link to our new science site http://sciencepond.com/ - Greg Galant
@Mr. Gunn - I hope it going to happen soon. That's why I'm still in - Alexey from iPhone
I agree with Jay and Greg, ideas like sciencepond.com are great and make me feel like it is a must to attract more analytical people that can connect the dots on making interesting contributions. - Ben Friedle
Cameron Neylon
Opportunity for initial development in Wave? - OMII UK Call for proposals in data management (pdf) http://www.omii.ac.uk/attach...
Sounds good for a start: "Typically, projects will be 6 - 12 months in length and involve up to 24 person months of effort. Funding will be made under EPSRC terms and conditions, i.e. 80% of total project cost under fEC. The closing date for this call is 14/8/09 with funding decisions being made by mid September and projects starting from October 2009. All projects must be completed by the end of November 2010." - Daniel Mietchen
Also looking at it it can involve experienced people in overseas places. I was thinking perhaps brilliant programmers marooned in the south of France? - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
I take it this is entirely unrelated to the following call...? http://www.jisc.ac.uk/funding... - Neil Swainston
How can you write or be involved in a project if you don't know the capabilities of the application? Or is it just for a select group of insiders? - pn
Its a separate call to the JISC one. I'm not sure that this would fit with the OMII call either but it seemed like it might be worth a shot. Paulo, we're just starting to get some idea, and have had some good discussions with the Google team and others over the past week. I'm not in a position to give out accounts but will be trying to dig into the possibilities and problems and making... more... - Cameron Neylon
Could one tie that up with our blog3 project (if that gets funded, that is)? - Björn Brembs
I don't see why not - would be good to have that as an example of user interest in fact... - Cameron Neylon
I'd be on board (if you're happy to have me :) - are we any closer to a formal release date for wave yet do you know? (I'm planning next semester's courses). Also - will there be a way to migrate LaBlog to Wave? - Anna Croft
I'm looking when I have time to think at what would be involved in migrating the functionality of LaBLog to Wave. Some of it is easy, some probably difficult. But could be done with a full time developer I think. Yes, I'd be afer you as a test site definitely. Release data as it stands is "by end of year" as I understand it - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
If blog3 is the successor to LaBlog (??) and we get funded, this problem should be solved. - Björn Brembs
Bugger about end of year - my course will be over by then. But at least it will hopefully be in time for remote supervision for sabbatical. - Anna Croft
Well if we go with the OMII proposal that could be funded with expectation of starting in October. But I can't get my hands on extra Wave accounts until they are in proper beta - Cameron Neylon
I suspect blog3 and Wave are orthogonal really - but Wave could be a front end to blog 3 (or any other triple store - which is something else to explore). The UI functionality probably makes more sense to implement in Wave in any case as this is likely to be simpler and more flexible. - Cameron Neylon
Bring on the beta already. - Anna Croft
If they indeed open source everything, the question only will be how to best merge the functionalities to have a tool that serves scientists best. I personally don't care what this tool will be called in the end. blog3 surely provides way more scientifically valuable functionality than Wave, but conversely, Wave has a lot of functionality I wouldn't want to miss for using blog3, if that makes any sense. - Björn Brembs
Shirley Wu
Michael Nielsen
Is scientific publishing about to be disrupted? - http://michaelnielsen.org/blog... (via http://friendfeed.com/michael...)
Essay based on a talk I gave on June 11, 2009, at the American Physical Society Editorial Offices. - Michael Nielsen
How was it received? - Dave Bacon
With good humour and many interesting questions - the questions continued (lunch was brought in) for about 90 minutes or so. - Michael Nielsen
This is great. Really like the flow of the argument. - Cameron Neylon
Excellent essay - all read from my iPhone :) - Frank
Fantastic writeup. You should submit this to some print magazines (yes, I see the irony) - Chris Miller
Thanks Cameron, Frank and Chris! Reading a 6,000 word essay on an iPhone is a compliment I won't quickly forget :-) - Michael Nielsen
Add me to the iPhone readers list...great, great essay. - Noah Gray
oh, i wish i could write in the margins (or on it like PLOS does)- i guess i'll leave my comments in an incoherent jumble at the bottom like usual... - Christina Pikas
Uh, two separate threads. Commented at http://ff.im/4AnZc - Matthew Todd
Thanks Noah! - Michael Nielsen
Sorry about that, Matthew. Not sure how to stop FF creating two separate conversations for items that come through on my blog feed and are then reshared. - Michael Nielsen
Reinhard Schneider
Hi everybody. It looks like the FriendFeed people cut us off for the moment. I guess the amount of comments coming from one IP triggered their security procedures. We are currently trying to solve the issue and I hope the service is back soon. Sorry for the hickup.
Thanks @Reinhard and everyone who helped! - Allyson Lister
<taps the mic> - Oliver Hofmann
you seem to be back folks... - Cameron Neylon
Michael Kuhn
Apparently live-blogging at ISMB is so popular that FriendFeed banned our IP address (via http://friendfeed.com/ismbecc...)
Could have been anticipated. I guess next year in Boston it is going to be Google Wave anyway. - Daniel Jurczak
wow :) - Pedro Beltrao
Excellent. Well, sort of. - Michael Nielsen
Well I guess that answers the concern that without some of last year's ring leaders it wouldn't take off huh? - Cameron Neylon
Daniel Swan
Nice pics Dan. I see you're making good use of your dslr :-) - Nicolas Bertrand
Phil Lord
Calling Nils... :-) - Bill Hooker
Of course the thing about peer review is that it is supposed to catch when the same idea comes around. We still struggle with both the social and the technical side of "checking the existing literature" when it comes to blogs don't we? - Cameron Neylon
A few recent papers where I was an author were written on a public wiki - I have become quite a fan of that because you can always give people a link to the current draft if they have interest. But in this blog post it seems that we are talking about finished papers - I would think a pre-print server like Nature Precedings would be the perfect vehicle for that. - Jean-Claude Bradley
Maybe we should peer review the blog post :-) - Cameron Neylon
Cameron Neylon
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