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Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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What's the topic for today?
- Matt Mastracci
Threadsy. The Gillmor Gang should be great today. Google/Mr. Softy and Tw*tter...
- Cliff Gerrish
Matt: there are too many things to talk about today. Twitter. Flickr. Windows 7. Etc Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'm standing by waiting for the Skype call, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
Exciting week... Mainstreaming of real-time search and a new Windows rev.
- Matt Mastracci
We are connecting everyone now. Just a few more minutes and we'll be on air.
- Robert Scoble
We are live!
- Robert Scoble
Everything is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Long live everything
- Mike Doeff
omg - people still using FF? :)
- Nick Halstead
isn't that what Friendfeed does?
- Karoli
No, it's different, Karoli. I've also used it a bit, and it's more of a "universal inbox" than FriendFeed. It's just a client, rather than a stand-alone service.
- Ken Sheppardson
Is there a recording of the Tim Berners-Lee conversation somewhere?
- Mike Doeff
thanks, Ken. It's one of those services that definitely interests me...if I ever get in. :)
- Karoli
Nick: I still use RSS too. Saying something is dead is dead.
- Robert Scoble
"Everything is Broken" -Bob Dylan
- Jerome Hughes
We individually kill and give life to things every day. I don't use Google Reader much anymore, for instance. So to me Google Reader is dead.
- Robert Scoble
I used to think I'd want a universal inbox, but stuff like Threadsy have reminded me that I really want different "layers"/urgency in my inbox, e.g. SMS > IM > email
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, I still use Google Reader...but only when what I'm seeing on Twitter/Friendfeed doesn't feel balanced to me. I can usually get that balance by going back to GR.
- Karoli
Karoli: lists will bring that balance to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Ken, I'd definitely need filters or I'd just run away from the inbox screaming...
- Karoli
I still use GR - but I have about 10 feeds - the rest I get supplied by Twitter/TweetMeme
- Nick Halstead
the issue i have with tweetmeme, etc is how easily the echo chamber develops. I love it, but want to reach outside of it for info sometimes.
- Karoli
Karoli: I agree - the core categories will always be full of the echo/main crowd - but we will soon launch the ability for you to build your own channels that are filtered to your 'exact' requirements
- Nick Halstead
Used Threadsy 2 weeks ago, and okay concept, needs work still.
- JimmyJet
In the demo yesterday, Microsoft claimed that their Bing/Twitter search results filter out spam and surfaces quality results based on "social relevance"
- Mike Doeff
because it's a beta for a few 1000s....wait for lists to be rolled out...
- Antonella Stellacci
Mike, they're weighting it based on some kind of authority?
- Karoli
so "normal" people don't want to find new friends who share their interests?
- Jerome Hughes
Whatever it is, it's got to work for 'normal' people.
- Cliff Gerrish
@mikedoeff: Who decides "social relevance"? @Scobleizer Who is to say that this "social relevance' will be a democratic system? How can we prevent a new SUL/TechCrunch to happen, with people being disqualified for having "different" views?
- Antonella Stellacci
They called it "social relevance" but didn't really drill into what that means. Maybe some combination of # of followers, number of tweets, age of the account, verified status, etc.
- Mike Doeff
When will "normal" people get access to Twitter lists? I don't have it on my account. I might start using Twitter if I did.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ah...there's the 'track' ref. It's like coming home. :)
- Karoli
https://twitter.com/lists...
- Jerome Hughes
Yeah, I'm not one of the cool kids who get the lists feature on Twitter. :)
- Karoli
Potential issue with Twitter lists: Someone posts a list of CIO's. Sales rep's from Oracle, SAP, etc. use that list to pitch their products to those CIO's with @messages or DM's. Or they could find all of the people inside a company by finding a company list. It'll be like a free version of Jigsaw.
- Mike Doeff
lists =meta-data....so discovery of new users is one of the options...
- Antonella Stellacci
@mike u can DM a list? (sry for the stupid question, I don't have lists :(
- Antonella Stellacci
Is there convergence on a standard for lists, or is it too early?
- Cliff Gerrish
I wonder which will win out: sending stuff out to specified groups/audiences, or just sending stuff out to "everyone", and having whatever permissions you've assigned to specific people determine whether or not they see it. I guess it's the same thing. Nevermind. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Antonella, you can't DM a list but it's an easy way to collect twitter id's in a specific niche. You can go down the list and follow people individually.
- Mike Doeff
thanks Mike.
- Antonella Stellacci
Adding real username/URLs to Facebook was remedial.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: Twitter will be the defacto list standard almost overnight.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: yes, @reply spam is a big problem. One that's solveable, though.
- Robert Scoble
Certainly, Identi.ca will follow suit, but will Facebook?
- Cliff Gerrish
And Mike, if a major company did @reply spam they would see a huge negative PR backlash.
- Robert Scoble
I wouldn't be so sure about Identica. Their feature set has already diverged from Twitter's. e.g. Groups http://identi.ca/doc/groups
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, they'll have to support both.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert, I agree - would be a very bad move if PR firm, sales people, etc. abuse the lists features. They'll end up on a PR Twitter blacklist :)
- Mike Doeff
It centralizes with the user -- not with the services. This ties in to the purpose-centric web and the sidewiki discussion.
- Cliff Gerrish
So Threadsy isn't a service? Where's the line between services and clients?
- Ken Sheppardson
So will we see search come to Threadsy streams?
- JimmyJet
Is FriendFeed a client or a service?
- Ken Sheppardson
Mint is a front end to Yodlee.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin - send video.
- Cliff Gerrish
How long will it take Google to kill Threadsy with Gmail?
- Ken Sheppardson
Private room, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wonʻt Wave to that?
- Arnie Klaus
Robert: Click on your entry, click "Edit > Disable Comments"
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: no. I want my curation to be public. Arnie: Wave could be useful.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: if I turned off comments I won't have the ability to type anything underneath the item.
- Robert Scoble
Arnie: Wave would be useful if it weren't stuck in the very lame email metaphor.
- Robert Scoble
But is that all you want to do? Be able to add comments to your post without other people being able to do so? I'm a little confused...
- Ken Sheppardson
Arnie: Wave is something I'm watching a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: I want to curate and put it on MY OWN STREAM. Without you being there.
- Robert Scoble
..or you want to use FriendFeed as a text editor?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: FriendFeed doesn't work for what I want.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: FriendFeed got close, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, as long as none of us have to read it. Go ahead and make your own stream.
- Cliff Gerrish
I keep hearing you say that, Robert. I'm trying to understand exactly what it means. What about a private room/group?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: I see a connect between Wave and the Twitter deal achieving curation
- Arnie Klaus
Ken: now you understannd why I'm so frustrated with FriendFeed. It won't get many new features.
- Robert Scoble
Arnie: me too.
- Robert Scoble
Wave traps me...I want the ability to opt out of specific waves.
- Karoli
Ken: Private groups don't do what I want. I want a public curation where everyone can watch JUST ME.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Would "only let me comment on this entry" do it?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: very close. But now we need to go further. Let me post a video there. An audio there. A picture there. And bring in other tweets and items.
- Robert Scoble
The reality is that no one's interested in 'only scoble' -- everyone wants to create their own mix.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert: So... a room where only admins (i.e. you) can post and comment, but everyone can view?
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: absolutely not true. My blog proves you wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: now you are getting there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm only interested in certain posts from your blog. I don't need the whole stream. You're in my mix, you just don't know it.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: and to rub salt in a wound. Twitter proves you wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Every time Steve says, "Rob?" - I start to answer :)
- Rob La Gesse
Cliff: that's cool. So you are listening to a group curation then.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's a pretty minor incremental fix, I'd think. Right now there are three types of rooms 1) Private, 2) Standard only admins can post, anyone can comment, 3) Public. Seems like a fourth type where only admins can post/comment but everyone can view would be pretty easy.
- Ken Sheppardson
Hope Threadsy has security for the UN's/PW's they require for each service??
- JimmyJet
Scoble, yes. I use a microcommunity to filter items -- not full feeds.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ken: even easy stuff takes engineering time.
- Robert Scoble
Threadsy in Chrome gets a basic auth pop up from twitter.com for my API credentials every time it tries to access Twitter :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: I know. I have seen this. Sort of like how TechMeme works.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Sure, but asking Paul to add a fourth room type sure seems easier than casting out some general lazyweb request for curation tools ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble, techmeme is read only. This is a little different.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ken: FriendFeed has no engineering team working on many new features. I've already asked for new features. I've been asking for this stuff for years.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: Threadsy in Chrome (4): I am no longer getting a request to relog or give permission to twitter. refreshing auto like it should
- amarquart
Does Facebook still prevent developers from caching data for more than 24hrs?
- Ken Sheppardson
Threadsy seems to define the pipe that exists between services. The Oauth issue is critical -- it comes bak to identity.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ken: I believe so.
- Robert Scoble
Windows is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Flickr is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Windows is Amazon's top seller. I want to be dead like that.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, we are already giving curated content e.g. this channel that is defined by 20 of the top Twitterati - http://twitterati.tweetmeme.com/ - soon these channels can be built by anyone
- Nick Halstead
Ok - i didnt get in on this till now - will it be archived?
- Chris Jackson
Yeah, it'll be published to YouTube in a day or so.
- Cliff Gerrish
Nick: that's not really what I want?
- Robert Scoble
ok
- Chris Jackson
Any timeframe from Twitter on when us lowly masses will get lists?
- Ken Sheppardson
im still waiting for twitter lists to hit my account.
- Chris Jackson
let them eat cake! classic.
- amarquart
Ken: a few weeks.
- Robert Scoble
Can I trade Wave invites for List access?
- Ken Sheppardson
RSS???
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve and Robert - the Gillmor Gang has become my most favorite source of social news and trends watch.
- Chris Jackson
Thanks Chris!
- Robert Scoble
:) funny Ken
- Chris Jackson
Translation: No idea.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: translation: "FriendFeed is not worth wasting engineering effort on."
- Robert Scoble
Does Threadsy have any sort of Activitystrea.ms support?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I don't know.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, great show.
- JimmyJet
Thanks to Steve and all, nice to finally catch the show in real time again!
- Jerome Hughes
Good show
- Eric Logan
very good show...wish my phone hadn't rung at the end, but I still got my fix :)
- Karoli
The after show is pretty good too. Marks: why doesn't Twitter have searched scoped to the people I follow?
- Cliff Gerrish
Missed it again. I'll be back.
- Matt Terenzio
RSS?? (which we all know is dead, ..but still); mp3 ?? Steve, I understand your effort to make a point by inconveniencing us with lack of rss, I get it, but from that stage further it is just pain in the a**.
- Mindaugas Dagys
http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg...
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Ken, but the last bootleg there at the moment is GillmorGang2009.10.15
- Mindaugas Dagys
The RSS feed for the Youtube channel is http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds... and after a new show is uploaded there, I'll update the bootleg feed
- Jack
bit.ly vs. tr.im
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whats your point?
- Mark
can you interpret this via the medium of expressive dance? ;)
- alphaxion
Mark: earlier this year Twitter "choose" Bit.ly over other URL shorteners and that caused Bitly's market share to zooooooom up. Is this good for a platform vendor to do?
- Robert Scoble
Oh right. How do these URL services make any money?
- Mark
Twitter had to make some sort of choice. Better bit.ly than tinyurl. I understand why they did it too, public stats.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
Mark: today? They don't, they are in audience acquisition mode. TOmorrow? I can think of at least three ways these things can make money. Remember Flickr? In the early days they didn't make money either. Now they charge me to get access to my own photos. Seriously. Are we all that unimaginative that we can't think of at least three ways that these things will make money? Really?
- Robert Scoble
twitter effect :)
- Oğuz Serdar
Flickr charges you to store your photos. With that comes the access. Monetizing something like a url shortening service is a bit more problematic. Unlike Flickr you wouldn't actually be buying anything tangible. Just the ability to shorten a URL and how crucial is that.
- Gilbert Harding
"There is no way for us to monetize URL shortening -- users won't pay for it" -- TR.IM Founder. Guess he can't think how it would make money without pissing off users either :)
- Mark
Mark: translation: I can only do interstitial ads on URL shorteners but those aren't viable unless you get to monopoly marketshare. Which Bit.ly just got.
- Robert Scoble
I was just wondering what the business model is for URL shorteners. Of course, its advertising.
- Dan
Selling trending data is also possible. The URL shortener gets a good look at what is popular, in real-time.
- DGentry
oooo very clever, wonder why they didnt think of these
- Mark
Where's the trend fot Spedr?
- Smeerch
I agree with Robert and I said as much in my recent post. The reasons they shut down seem a little weak to me. You may not be able to make people pay just to shorten URL's but you can always use what you have to leverage something profitable. It just takes imagination.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
well yeah but they would have to pump money into it no doubt to do that, and it sounds like there is no money to be raised in the URL shortening area with the way they say they could not even sell the business for a nominal (small) fee.
- Mark
Wow very nice. Now a new shortening service is up and running http://zxc9.com
- vinoth
Having lunch with the JS-Kit guys. Echo really rocks. Publishers are going to love it.
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Any update on when it will become more widely available????
- Stephen Tomasello
Is JS-Kit using Echo on its blog? Not much activity in the comments...
- Brent Logan
A warm Bonjour for Chris on my behalf, please! :)
- directeur
It's really slick, zoomy technology. But will *readers* like it? (And hello to the JS-Kit gang: Good luck with Echo!)
- Chris Baskind
Stephen: really soon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris: that is the big question, isn't it?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
There's a smart friendfeeder I want to introduce to him (Chris, me and that guy share the same love for personal relevancy)
- directeur
does this mean you will drop Disqus?
- Nick Halstead
Is there any way Js-kit and disqus can work together, there are some features I enjoy in disqus, does echo subsume all of them?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Have you given up on your blog? I expected the link to take me to an article where you actually said something. Your constant linking to ff and little else is becoming annoying. Produce something of value or lose another follower and subscriber. Would have expected the link to tell what the hell Echo is and what JS-kit does and why a blogger should care. You waste my time with this crap.
- Bruce Keener
Just a follow-up on my last comment, Robert. You have so much talent, yet I feel like you are wasting it here. That's why I'm upset. Oh, I'm upset that I've wasted my time coming to find an article on Echo that didn't exist. But I am more upset that your talent is going down the drain, and you seem oblivious to it. A damn shame.
- Bruce Keener
I don't always "get" technology when it first arrives. Twitter being a prime example. Seeing a page of live twitter like responses though as a reader is not interesting for me. I would rather read through longer intelligent discussion. You're FriendFeed discussions are great, but the js-kit echo demo left me feeling blurry. Granted there are advantages, but am I just missing something, again?
- ASKJDOG
@askjdog you may wish to check out the matrix at the bottom of http://js-kit.com/echo it contains some of our thinking, which i am sure can be expanded upon ... for a deeper dive, click on "Synaptic Web" at the end of the matrix ... it is *one* view of the evolution of the web.
- khrisloux
Bruce: I was off filming an interview with them, I'm not going to write a damn blog post on my iPhone. Geesh. And anyway, I've already written about Echo before. This was just a tease for tomorrow's video.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: I'm very seriously considering dropping Disqus, yes. We're definitely going with JS-Kit over on Building43.com and I'll consider it after using it a while there for my blog.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, how does it compare to the Disqus Reactions?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: from what I've seen so far JS-Kit is real time, while Disqus isn't. But not sure I'm comparing the newest Disqus stuff. Is Reactions new or is it what I'm already using on my blog at http://scobleizer.com ?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the Reactions feature is what's below the comments, under "Reactions:" on your blog
- Jesse Stay
I'm betting that Disqus will have an equivalent out very soon - if so, is it really worth switching just for real-time, considering you'll have real-time shortly?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I think real time is worth switching for, but then you see how I use real time here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I'm betting Disqus, because they've had a chance to see the competition, will release something better. I'm just not one to switch back and forth constantly though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I still haven't switched my blog, but we did go with JS-Kit on Building43 because the JS-Kit folks seem to be ahead of the Disqus ones. We'll see if we switch my blog.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks @khrisloux I'll read that article, and take another look at the feature matrix.
- ASKJDOG
Either way both Disqus and JS-Kit are BOTH excellent systems from what I've seen, and I'm sure they will both continue to evolve.
- ASKJDOG
@Robert thanks for the lunch - was too much fun catching up again
- Chris Saad
Can't wait to try this but I'm going to extract my existing blog and test on an alternative platform
- Joe Dawson
good to read the discussion between Jesse and Robert: I very much want to choose the best commenting platform, and not switching bak and forth.. both disqus and current js-kit(future: Echo) have their plusses and minuses. Guess some sort of final decision on my side will take another couple of months, in the mean time staying with disqus and eagerly waiting for Echo...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Are either Echo or Disqus able to pull comments (not just posts) out from behind Facebook's garden wall onto one's own blog?
- David Sanger
I found an example js-kit on Building43 blog to check out...
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
A Better Retweet Button Is Out There (via @jeresig) - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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better in what way? it fixes you to using bit.ly - you cant customize the txt - it doesnt support RSS - it doesnt have logged in retweeting?
- Nick Halstead
Hi Nick! Better in that it was quite easy to customize for me. If you recall, the TM button showed the same counts across the board, and said (via @tweetmeme), etc. Bit.ly is so far, trusted, and "safe" and the code is all hosted locally. Yes, the RSS doesn't work, but we hadn't run yours through RSS on my site yet either. So for me it's a win all around.
- Louis Gray
yes, that was because you had it configured wrong - we obviously need better instructions for blogger :) - but your post it patently wrong - the button is not better, it was an easy install for you.
- Nick Halstead
Super easy install for me that was customized perfectly on the first go. :)
- Louis Gray
but I can guarantee you will swap back tomorrow - 100% :)
- Nick Halstead
Fine. Send me all the good code and news, sir. :) You know me, I always use the best stuff.
- Louis Gray
Popcorn anyone?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Yes, please. Where Rahsheen? I'd like some.
- John Wang
i'd prefer a m&m's
- Nick Halstead
RSS is a Protocol, not a User Experience. It is what you make of it.
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Exactly!
- Nick Halstead
well exactly!!
- Bill Masson
Jesse: I think a lot of people use "RSS" to imply the reader or reading experience. We're geeks so we get that RSS is the protocol, not the reader. But we're weird. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Well, I think it's up to us to dispel that myth. Google Reader != RSS. FriendFeed != RSS. Both Google Reader and FriendFeed are RSS Readers though. RSS is still the backbone to many of the things people are saying are "replacing RSS". I'm trying to get RSS out of people's minds - it's not RSS that's dead - it's the poor lame old interfaces to RSS of 2 years ago that are dead.
- Jesse Stay
In an ideal world, you won't even know "RSS" is powering what you are reading - it will be a beautiful, real-time interface with no visibility to the user that there is any sort of protocol powering that interface.
- Jesse Stay
Yet, RSS will be even more powerful than ever.
- Jesse Stay
It all depends on the source feed, if you get inventive with styling your feed then it will blend in with the rest of your site.
- Bill Masson
No Hulu For UK Users Until 2010 - http://mashable.com/2009...
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that sucks
- Nick Halstead
At least they're going to get it. We're never likely to see it down here
- Glenn Slaven
from iPod
You don't want our iPlayer in exchange then? You don't want all our really bad tv shows in exchange for your good ones? :) I'd take Spotify too, I love it :)
- Simon Wicks
from iPhone
I do hope you're not really hating on our BBC Simon. They give us Top Gear and QI :-D
- Robert Davies
That is about it though. We had this discussion on FF sometime last week, I'm fed up of football, hollyoaks and loads of other crap I just don't watch. So apart from top gear and qi, yes I'm hating on the BBC. :)
- Simon Wicks
from iPhone
Hollyoaks isn't made by the BBC! And what about all the BBC3 content like Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe/Newswipe and How Not To Live Your Life?
- Robert Davies
Hollyoaks is still shite UK TV though :) And ok, maybe a few other UK shows i like, boosh, snuffbox, it crowd. But i dislike more than i like lets say then :)
- Simon Wicks
Fair enough. I tend to prefer US dramas such as 24, Prison Break, The Wire, House. But British comedy is where it's at! And let's not forget the best program of them all... Come Dine With Me! Beats its silly US counterpart "Dinner Takes All"
- Robert Davies
Having said that America gave us The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park and Scrubs... I take back my argument!
- Robert Davies
@Dingman it is in Apple's hands. My guess? Another week or two. The new Yelp app is awesome too.
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What's so special about the new Yelp app Robby?
- Joshua Guffey
from iPhone
Shows a map of businesses near you with special offers.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Goodbye Yowza?
- Jesse Stay
We are approaching the one month anniversary of the Spotify submission date
- Mark
@Mark - that is never, ever, ever, ever going to pass - more's the shame :(
- Nick Halstead
Mark, crossing fingers...
- Jesse Stay
Apple's dealing's on the App Store reminded me of this Quote: "God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of his own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e., everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time."
- Nick Halstead
That's kinda cool. =) Now we just need to know how long the lines are!
- Joshua Guffey
from iPhone
http://tweetphoto.com/7ee6bd hey @scobleizer Why Apple rejected our Tweetphoto app. Design BS Other apps have similar Po
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OMG - is that the most bizarre reason to reject an App? We at least know those who work on the review board are old enough to remember polaroid!
- Nick Halstead
Wow, if Apple doesn't fix the appstore my next phone won't be an iPhone!
- Chris
That's nuts! - But Chris, is it really enough to make you abandon the iPhone? If so, you're too easily annoyed. Is there a better phone and app store?
- PXLated
after almost a month we just got a rejection from apple for tweetphoto iphone app. pure BS. they did not like an image. i am pissed
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You know. I can't see how any developer can consider devoting a large amount of time to writing a really advanced app without knowing in advanced if Apple is going to approve it.
- Greg Morgan
Sorry to hear. Are you able to redo and resubmit?
- sean808080
In the games industry you have the same approval processes, but they have been developed over many years, and allow for very early dialog, and then during the approval process to have 'communication' - rather than a black/white 'no' - I met the Apple Rep for the store in the UK before he launched, and he didnt have a 'fecking clue' - they have MUCH to learn
- Nick Halstead
for me it's like going to work, say an office job, working for a couple of weeks and then the boss saying "no. I am not accepting your work. You are not getting paid".
- Mark
cuil.com adds real-time search as well? jump-on-band-wagon-dot-com
Louis Gray liked this
Let's just say they implemented their real-time search as well as their standard Web search and call it a day.
- Louis Gray
I hate to be down on other services, but it does seem a very cynical attempt to get involved in real-time
- Nick Halstead
Oops, I forgot about them
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
people-get-ready-the-real-time-train-is-coming-dont-need-no-ticket-to-get-on-board-dot-org
- Johnny Worthington
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How come you don't import Flickr here, Nick?
- Louis Gray
That is a good question - I have both the work flickr account + personal one, I do tend to keep 'most' of the personal stuff separate - as we do post a 'lot' of pictures of Amelia :)
- Nick Halstead
I think we've proven FriendFeed is a great place for baby photos. We would embrace your sharing.
- Louis Gray
@parislemon FriendFeed is over dude - Paul gave no commitments - http://blog.areyoupayingattention.com/2009...
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hey Chris, enough with the FUD. You'd think you were in competition. Oh wait...
- Steve Gillmor
FUD? Competition? I'm not offering fear, I'm offering hope for a better solution. Echo is not in competition to FriendFeed - it's because of FriendFeed that Echo is relevant.
- Chris Saad
I dont understand how you can argue that we shouldnt rely upon one privately owned platform, while at the same time selling your own?
- Nick Halstead
Blogs are open platforms because the only thing a competing platform (competing to Wordpress for example) needs to do to participate is build a better tool and provide an RSS endpoint. Echo, similarly, uses open standards/data and sits on these open platforms. You can easily switch it for another real-time streaming service. Neither of these require you to participate in a single platform to join the conversation.
- Chris Saad
The platform is the web and each component is easily interchanged if a better solution comes along - that's the point
- Chris Saad
Fear Uncertainty Doubt Paul gave no commitments. Read MG's post again. 51 minutes of commitments.
- Steve Gillmor
I did better, I watched the video :) He did not commit to keeping FriendFeed iterating much less competitive and you never pushed him on the point. More importantly, though, I don't understand why you wouldn't want your own blog/software to be as good or better than a centralized tool. You want likes and threading on comments in FriendFeed? Why not use a blog instead and choose a tool that has likes and threading? You have total power
- Chris Saad
I pushed him to get the API commitment which is the whole ballgame. FF is the shit, so the whole blogs argument is meaningless for me. More toys the better. Off to decentralize my nervous system with acupuncture check in
- Steve Gillmor
haha - have fun :)
- Chris Saad
Chris, if FF falters, there will plenty of things coming along that will replace it... some may even be better, and more open... that's what we're trying to do with Grabbit.net, and we thought we could beat FF even before the Faceborg assimilation... just build a better service... with as much open-ness and platform-ness as possible... we will have the beta out in September, so I hope you check it out and give us your feedback! Same goes to you, Steve! And thanks for pushing for the API support! Cool!
- Fred Davis
@Fred if you remain a pure aggregator instead of a generator I will be very impressed - seems like product teams can't resist adding content creation tools into their products
- Chris Saad
It's not just product teams, it's the users. FF didn't take-off until they added all their proprietary goodies (like, comments, etc).
- Carter Rabasa
@Carter that's a failure of imagination from both groups ;)
- Chris Saad
Chris, definitely an aggregation play... for all types of near-real-time messaging... and a big open-source platform play that I shouldn't say more about now... but members of certain open source communities will be very excited about our platform tie-ins ;-)
- Fred Davis
Of course, I'm biased, 'cuz it's my baby... but we're basically trying to build the product we really want to use... and just build it from our hearts more than our brains, if you know what I mean... things created with love usually turn out better than things created by greed ;-)
- Fred Davis
The issue that most folks in these circles (and by that I mean anyone that has figured out how to reach this FF thread (or whatever the term is)) have not grasped is that to make a service "dead" there must be a definitive stop of whatever can define as the major systems that support it. Make any analogous statement to heart or a nervous system you want. When I consider Google Wave, FriendFeed, richer so-called microblog formats, and rebooting/CPR/transplants into other "dead" systems: I smile. Zombieweb.
- Jay Cuthrell
It is funny to see this argument while Yelp gains a million NEW users per month. Facebook is gaining that per week. Twitter every few weeks. So Chris the market has already decided to yawn. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Never known u to just go along with a trend Robert. Chris Saad Please excuse brevity and typos - Sent from my iPhone
- Chris Saad
from email
Thats interesting to know, seems I got too late into FF. I just were starting.
- Luis Torres
Chris - By definition, a revolution needs a leader. Are you going back to the Radioactive days? On the Internet, a blogging revolution would require a 'central place' to organize, find and discuss the merits of an idea. Dead or not, Friendfeed was the closest thing to it that I can remember. If the team can manage to 'port' a Friendfeed-like system to Facebook and / or continue to...
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- Charlie Anzman
Can Friend Feed + Troll = FROLL? As a noncelebrity I must say that claiming that one tech is dead while actively working on something that would compete in the same market is pretty obtuse of you.
- Jeremy Behrens
Not sure if u know who I am but I've been advocating this for years - my work follows my philosophy not the other way around. Also the product I work on exists in part because of friendfeed so it's not competition. Chris Saad Please excuse brevity and typos - Sent from my iPhone
- Chris Saad
from email
Remember when I said I was thinking of going to bed at 8:30? Yeah, it's now 2:40 and here I am, still up.
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Less than 6 more hours and you can keep your word ;)
- Jemm
quite right
- MG Siegler
dont you just hate having to sleep :)
- Nick Halstead
I think if humans ever evolve to not need sleep, or only need a couple of hours, the rates of suicide would go up hugely. I think we need sleep to help us make sense of the world.
- Mark
The part of the brain that controls sleep is also the same part that every bit of waking sensory input goes through on its way to being processed, so I suppose if you never experienced any sensation at all you wouldn't need to sleep, although without senses there'd be nothing to do BUT sleep.
- Slappy Line
1. pre money valuation should value the company as it exists today. if investors want to ask for an option pool that is reducing the value of the company as it exists today and is therefore a lower pre money. i’ve always thought this was a bs way for vc’s to sell you an emotional value but make you take a third less. 2. if a company is profitable... - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
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that doesnt really make sense, facebook's 'current' value because they are not profitable means their value should be 0 - valuations must look to the future to make any sense.
- Nick Halstead
social media revolution going nowhere according to Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol... :)
like they would know!
- Nick Halstead
I am looking for a lean, mean, elegant, free, fast Smarty/PHP editor - any recommendations?
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PHPed - native .exe on windows - fastest editor by far + the best debugger - we use it for all our projects including tweetmeme
- Nick Halstead
Thanks - not free, though
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Scalien - Keyspace (distributed key value store) - http://scalien.com/keyspace/
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Looks interesting, have been investigating a lot of these systems lately just out of curiosity, but most have not met my expectations. This one is new, but I plan on checking it out.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Anything in cluster form is great. Servers, Breakfast cereals etc.
- CannonGod
Did you ever have a look at Tangosol Coherence? They were around before even memcached got popular, with a clustering solution with very flexible partitioning strategies, and the ability to run queries on the cluster. The continuous query functionality is pretty cool for real time stuff: http://coherence.oracle.com/display... Of course, the fact that it's written in Java might turn some people off.
- Ray Cromwell
Bret, have you looked at redis, and or Tokyo Cabinet?
- Nick Halstead
Nick: I love Tokyo Cabinet. It is not a distributed key value store, though - it just runs on one machine. There is a huge difference, and unfortunately most of the open source projects in this area don't actually work (largely demo quality from my tests).
- Bret Taylor
Of course, Oracle bought Tangosol, but their original product was great. I don't know how much it costs now, but some of Tangosol's competitors were good too.
- Ray Cromwell
Note that it's under the AGPL (Affero Gnu Public License), so you can't use it for closed-source web services.
- Jim Norris
Oh: good point, Jim. Nevermind. I will not be checking it out.
- Bret Taylor
Bret, http://opensource.plurk.com/LightCl... gives distribution + persistance to Tokyo + REDIS, definitely check out redis if you have time, although its still early days they have key/value + the values can be sets + queues, and all operations are atomic. Redis is also very easy to hash across servers.
- Nick Halstead
Re: AGPL. I recently looked at mongodb because apparently I'm not alone in thinking this whole space is fascinating (though it is not distributed key-value store). Anyway, their description of AGPL seems to be that it is possible to write a closed source web service against it so long as you give your changes to the server back to the community. However, I think this is enabled by the fact that they release their client library as Apache. Does that sound consistent with other people's understanding of AGPL?
- Kelly Norton
Apache driver license looks safe to me except for the C++ driver. Not sure how that one avoids AGPL...
- Michael Herf
from iPhone
@Michael - You're right. Looks like the C++ driver is AGPL. I have to admit, I don't see how anything could really escape the viral nature of the AGPL. The site claims that there are drivers available from third parties under different licenses, but that would seem to violate AGPL. I think it's probably best to stay away from anything AGPL.
- Kelly Norton
Here's a blog that surveyed some distributed key/value stores: http://www.metabrew.com/article...
- Ray Cromwell
Clearance stock available, just sent email out now.....£260 quids....jesus...brand new x2100
they are all mine!!
- Nick Halstead
tr.im Resurrected - http://blog.tr.im/post...
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I think that Twitter should have an option to choose out of a few common, stable shorteners which one you would like to use.
- Bryce Roney
I would propose bit.ly, is.gd, TinyURL and tr.im
- Bryce Roney
/users/bryce - how about ff.im :)
- Atul Arora
Well really, ff.im isn't a shortening service in that it only shortens links that already exist
- Bryce Roney
ff.im rocks. :)
- Louis Gray
bryce, good point - a setting to choose would be good, we can even give them the code to do it :)
- Nick Halstead
This is too funny - Poor girl, Poor guy http://emailsfromcrazypeople.com/2009...
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Am loving that site
- Nick Halstead
that was good :-)
- Edd McArdle
Taking care of sick, preggers wife at 1am. Gotta pack for nyc in five hours... When the kid comes it gets easier right?
Michael, Nick Halstead, Travis Koger and 2 other people liked this
When the kid comes it definitely gets easier, in the 'oh now I can schedule the disruption' way.
- Travis Koger
in what way would you like to be scared? first 3 months = hell, next 6 months = hell, oh... next 12 months... but who could have imagined coming home to hear 'daddy, daddy, daddy' makes it all worth while.
- Nick Halstead
Currently on month 5 of our first one. Definitely gets easier.
- Tsega Dinka
I'm terrified of the first three months.... I'm already burnt out from my wife just being pregnant! I'm going to have to cut back on a LOT of my activities if I'm going to survive year one..... I guess blogging, twittering, poker and This Week in Startups will have shut down in 2010. :-(
- Jason Calacanis
Easier? You are kidding right? When the kid comes, your whole life changes. Unless you just neglect the kid or hire somebody else to raise them.
- David C. Cooper
Dude. It's a sacrifice, and regardless of all the things you did in the past business-wise, this is the true test of being a man. It's REALLY tempting to put kids on the back-burner to progress your business, I've seen it so many times. You'll know when you lay eyes and hands on her though...nothing else will matter, except her safety, happiness, and well-being. That sad face up there...
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- Andru Edwards
The investment pays back BIG TIME J.
- Dermot G
Yeah, sure it does. We're like those people who have jumped into a lake before you, and we're yelling out, "Come on in! The water's fine! It's not cold! Really!"
- Michael
Talk about Facebook buying FriendFeed here (on FriendFeed, of course):
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I'm not sure what it means, but I hope the goodness of Friendfeed stays intact.
- Tom Landini
I guess Facebook just got real time search engine!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What do facebook get out of it?
- Ruchit Garg
Fact or fiction?
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
I haven't seen likes and comments stream real-time this fast before.
- ydfeed
It depends on who lays claim to our posted and aggregated material.
- jcunwired
it could work. if Friendfeed completely replaces Facebook
- Edgar Rodríguez
I think it's a brilliant move, although bringing this into the Facebook walled garden would ruin it.
- Derek Shanahan
how much for?
- Ruchit Garg
Is it true Robert?
- Kevin Whalen
BAD 'n SAD :((
- sid 【ツ】
Great match to take on the Twitter machine.
- Ryan Cummins
what is next..facebook killing twitter integration...SCORE....??
- Denis
++Edgar
- Ryan
Good for Facebook, BAD for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Nir Ben Yona
Presumably a technology acquisition then, Facebook is buying the team and the tech.
- DGentry
I don't like it
- Jason Hargrove
Bad news, if true.
- LogEx
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
How can i shut down my ff account?
- Fotis Alexandrou
I need a few hours and possibly large amounts of chocolate
- Bwana ☠
If you are right, that "Facebook just got real time search engine", that is good - as FB really, really needed it for a long time.
- Bora Zivkovic
:(
- Sinem Co
yes, this is fast. Reminds me of a few hours ago when I was on Freenode
- Ian Tindale
There goes your data.
- Jason Hargrove
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
Man this is really SUCKS!! :((( we all know Facebook strategies on the web :(( Whey will drive FriendFeed to the helll and I'm pretty sure of this :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( BAD SUCKS SAD :(((
- FFTornado
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Wonder how they'll integrate, separate services with more interaction or FF swallowed by Facebook.
- Steven Cains
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
Whats FriendFeed anyways?
- Marco Horta
so that Facebook can maybe copyright the "Like" button? lol
- Than R
How are we going to abbreviate it now? FBFF? FFFB? F^3B ?
- Harry Wolff
I receive the breaking news via BNO News at this moment: Facebook acquires FriedFeed...
- Torsten Eckert
haha you're right Richard
- Ken Seto
I am stuck in Texas and have not confirmed myself.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wow
- Rodfather
OMG.
- Nathan Chase
maybe they can implement threads?
- Jeremy Toeman
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
double wow.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Friendbook? Facefeed?
- Jeff Harbert
If it's true, I suspect FriendFeed as we know it will be gone, but Facebook will be greatly improved.
- Costa Walcott
bah. i will go do something else. this news isn't helping
- Edgar Rodríguez
trying to look on the bright side - maybe we'll get those iPhone/Blackberry apps for better access to FriendFeed
- Stuart Miniman
But if it isn't true we would have heard by now.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
apprehensive about this
- Liz Polay-Wettengel
Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Brandon Titus
I want to hear the $$$ number
- moo yu
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
@robert no we wouldnt have
- Jeremy Toeman
It's official: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Costa Walcott
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
From FF blog http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Tom Landini
I'm hoping this improves Facebook (just like everyone else). Facebook has gotten horrible stale for me of late.
- Harry Wolff
This stream itself is the evidence of WHY Facebook bought FF.
- Steven Walling
What's looking shiny and new now? :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I've been needing a reason to get re-interested in Facebook, this could be it.
- JonInteractive
Friend management will need to be enhanced/overhauled. Otherwise, the noise will make the combined product unusable.
- Peter Ghosh
No! I am going to cry! I HATE FACEBOOK! I have a Facebook account, but FriendFeed is way better. Life is over! Apocalypse.
- Zachary TG
Seriously, how can i shut it down?
- Fotis Alexandrou
We'll have to wait for more details to see exactly what Facebook is planning to do with FF.
- 321
Bodes badly for FriendFeed. --rj
- Roger Jennings
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Lindsay
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
bad days are coming
- Ahmet Soyata
Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account?
- Alex Knight
This is bad news for Yahoo 360°. Oh wait, too late.
- Ian Tindale
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- mary
Crap!
- Zachary TG
This is disgusting.
- Zachary TG
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
For a second I thought it was a joke, but then I checked Friendfeed's Blog. http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... Damn it.
- Alejandro
Nir Ben Yona +1
- Muge Cerman
Turmoil
- Ian Tindale
wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!!
- Gtp19
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Geeks and fb not a good mach
- thomas elton
from iPhone
We fear change
- Ian Tindale
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
Twitter dissed again.
- JonInteractive
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Crap, its official !
- Peter Dawson
This is really bad... a wonderful tool based on killer technology will go over into this mass market teeny poking culture. Bah!
- Markus Tressl
then again it is great for linking FB, TW, flickr and so on
- Ingmar
Here is the FF post on the acquisition: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Mrinal Desai
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
I suppose Friendfeed was considerably lacking in LOLcats.
- Ian Tindale
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
Paul Buckheit will now be a house husband:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Confirmed by FF http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- David Peacock
Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next?
- Janet Fouts
FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities.
- Adam Reyher
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
If true, congrats to the FF Founders!
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
Maybe I should rediscover my Orkut account.
- Ian Tindale
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
FF has been FB's incubator for awhile.
- Peter Warnock
it's true damn!!!!
- Edgar Rodríguez
How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ?
- Toucouleur
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
Quickest/Biggest thread ever
- Ian Tindale
Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB
- Ryan
This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part.
- chantelle
How Much ? $$$ ;-)
- Jacopo Gio
I'm heading back to Jaiku where it's nice and quiet
- Ian Tindale
So, where do we migrate to now?
- Byron McCollum
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
back to the twitter
- emresezgin
I want numbers. how much did facebook pay?
- Zac Bowling
soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- johnny2009
Hum...let's see what happens.
- Chip Hanna
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
What's it going to be called? Failbook?
- Ian Tindale
Its going to be called Facebook.
- DGentry
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
FeedFace
- Ian Tindale
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years?
- jcunwired
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
Is Twitter going to buy Myspace?
- marcus bösch
Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover*
- Kimberle Kelly
That does it. I'm going back to usenet.
- Ian Tindale
What's next- Macy's buying Gimble's?
- Thom Kennon
Apple buys China
- Ian Tindale
what do you think Robert?
- courtney benson
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
It'll be called ScobleFeed
- Ian Tindale
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Echoing what others have said - My guess: Facebook will get better, Friendfeed will get worse, Twitter will matter a lot less.
- Matthew Blaisdell
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook
- Jacopo Gio
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was.
- jcunwired
Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- jcunwired
Please no. I don't like FaceBook...
- Svartling
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Well, my friends on FB doesn't give a damn about sharing links, news, pics, vids etc. So I'm not sure how I will use FB+FF now. I don't think FriendFeed will exist, just implemented in Facebook. The name FriendFeed will die. And: on FB you don't want the whole world to see everything you're doing, just your friends. And it will stay this way. So the question is: Who will build the new FriendFeed?
- Patrik Johansson
Do this mean, by the way, that we (the FriendFeed users) should start to connect with each other on FB? How will they like that? People who get's 2-3 maybe 4000 connections?
- Patrik Johansson
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march)
- jcunwired
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Anderson
EndFeed.
- Alex Schleber
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
(RE: Your tweet earlier) When you say the minor league team going to the majors, I don't always feel that this is a positive thing. As in this case, it's like Ferrari being acquired by Ford. I don't think I like this acquisition.
- Richard Merritt
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
From what I'm gathering, this acquisition is more about FB acquiring the talented engineers of FF than it is about the FF software itself. A smart play by FB. Unfortunate for us that value FF. I personally feel that FB is just slowly becoming the new Myspace. Which I don't think I need to explain how lame that is.
- Richard Merritt
According to WSJ — FB paid $50 million — a mix of cash and stocks. http://bit.ly/SVTA5
- Richard Merritt
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FriendFeed is Facebooks Summize. It’s All About Search. http://bit.ly/11ZW6l
- paul mooney
Thinking Out Loud: Echo issues during a high profile tech show http://www.talkshoe.com/talksho...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
It doesn't make much sense talking about 'Facefeed" and 'Friendbook'... Facebook simply bought a cool 12-people company called Friendfeed for its great search technology paying 15M plus some shares, which is really very cheap in this context, given the value of FF's technology (as it is perceived by us). They are also hiring the talented FF team, which makes the deal even more interesting for FB. Probably there are also some deeper hidden motives and implications that I am not able to get.
- Liviu Barbat
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't like it...
- Harry Mahardhika
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
RT @TCEurope Tweetmeme’s traffic surge could make it a Twitter buy target http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009... (well done nick)
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Well done team
- Nick Halstead
I'm off to Rackspace, but I'll keep favoriting great Tweets here: http://twitter.com/scoblei...
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People can just view your links -> http://tweetmeme.com/user... or subscribe to them in FF via this link http://rss.tweetmeme.com/user...
- Nick Halstead
Returning to the mothership, Robert???
- Roberto Bonini
http://twitter.com/sonergonul You lucky!
- ★ Soner Gönül
Have a good day!
- Calvin Ayre
fav.or.it is Dead, Long live favorit - http://blog.fav.or.it/2009...
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Nick has signed a death sentence for Twitter. Mark my words - any business model that revolves around Twitter's API (a closed, proprietary system) as opposed to something like RSS (an open, cross-platform available standard) is playing Russian roullette.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
but RSS does not (yet) supply the kind of real-time updates we required, you can be assured that we are experimenting with (and also watching) a range of other technologies + platforms (such as Dave Winer's RSS cloud)
- Nick Halstead
I have long said that companies that are completely dependent on the Twitter API for their user base are foolish. It is always foolish to put all your eggs in a single basket. But also foolish, IMO, are companies who put them all in the OTHER basket. Indeed, it seems wiser to use both technologies, and springboard your business off the publicity inherent in using either one (in this case, Twitter has the leg up, why not use that while developing a broader base and supporting other APIs and technologies)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just blocked my first twitter user - not sure why but it felt like the right thing to do
what did they do?
- Nick Halstead
Tweetmeme Creators Bet Their Future on Twitter Retweets - http://mashable.com/2009...
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I think most people saw this coming :)
- Nick Halstead
I just unsubscribed to "Louis Gray" because I got sick of looking at his twins.
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That's nice.
- Beau Liening
To each his own, I guess. I like seeing peoples' kids, especially when they're parents are creative about how they get posted.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Thanks for sharing!
- Louis Gray
Ding Ding Ding! You just won the "Sad Fuck of the Day" award! Congratulations!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
I suggest you post more Louis
- Nick Halstead
Here, let me shed a tear for you.......Nope...couldn't....sorry.
- Beau Liening
Some people just don't like seeing kids. No big deal. Some people would consider it unnecessary to post such feelings to explain an action none of us are concerned with anyway. Fabricated big deal. The choice of words tells me that this is an attempt at fabricating a big deal. It flopped. Negative cred.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I categorize these kinds of posts with the "I'm deleting my FF account because of..." posts. Bait to get a crapload of comments and likes.
- Beau Liening
Why is Louis Gray in quotes? Is that not his real name? Or is that code for something? Inappropriate use of quotes is totally "FTW"!
- pea
There is the Hide function...
- JA Castillo
@Pea +++++ Hahahaha so "Louis Gray" needs to tell us his real name.
- Shevonne
Cute little mobsters... may grow up and pay you a "visit." See what I did there with the quotes?
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
cracking knuckles - it's time for da MOB!
- BEX
Good for you. Why do you need to tell us exactly?
- Kamath (नमः)
I like "using" quotes for no "real" reason.
- B. Hatin
Or just remove him. I'm sure Louis doesn't stay up late at night weeping because someone removed him without posting all over why.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
LOL
- Paul Papadimitriou
Well I'll be damned! I haven't looked at Friendfeed since I made the initial post. And I didn't post it to start some kind of bait to get comments. I couldn't care less. I was just being honest. Louis is probably a nice guy and I wish he had two feeds (or does he?): one for tech posts and one for family posts. I'd subscribe to the first and pass on the second. "Children should neither be seen or heard from - ever again." - W. C. Fields
- Tokyo Dan
I'm more interested in subscribing to real people than edited personnas.
- Scott of Two Countries
Scott of Two Countries, Who's edited and who's real?
- Tokyo Dan
I think Scott is saying that by removing the twins and putting them in a second feed, that would be edited.
- Louis Gray
That's right. If you want a tech feed, there are plenty of places for it, but IMO FriendFeed is not about narrow feeds, but multi-faceted people.
- Scott of Two Countries
OK. My initial post was cold. I sincerely apologize to you Louis. But I was really irritated. I subscribe to your posts for tech. And to tell the truth, I tire very easily of seeing constant family pictures of even my close friends. Sorry if that makes me an asshole. But if I feel like that then there must be others who feel the same way. Or am I really that unique? Anyway, two feeds...
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- Tokyo Dan
This all boils down to the way communication is done on social networks. Today, the burden of sorting through feeds is almost exclusively done by the receiver. While most people talked about how Facebook did open its status updates to "everyone", I was more interested in the application of selective outbound communication: one status update could be directed to one list only. This is a...
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- Paul Papadimitriou
Good idea Paul.
- Tokyo Dan
I wonder when realtime techniques will become a normal thing just like some AJAX techniques now. For example, when will there be a framework which allow you to do the same as FriendFeed's live-updating comments? (kind of "push" content).
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Some back-end things that FF has will not be easy to copy... But the back-and-forth between browser and server can be put into a generic library I think.
- Meryn Stol
Although I'm familiar with most web technologies as a programmer, I wouldn't have a clue how I would go about writing a *single user* friendfeed for example. That is, I would want a comment which I post in one browser window to be instantly visible in another.
- Meryn Stol
While the FF team has been quite innovative with their approach (I've never seen it being done before elsewhere) I know this part is not truly rocket science. If I'd delve into their JS, I could probably figure it out.
- Meryn Stol
aren't we describing Google Wave?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Hmm good point Rahsheen... Well maybe that's the first framework then... I was thinking more of something lightweight as jquery. Jquery could really bring these realtime/push techniques to the masses. I think it could improve almost any site.
- Meryn Stol
I think "push" is the most important thing. "Realtime" makes one think of the stream... It's the push-updating of content that interest me the most. A kind of "syncing" of the content inside browser windows.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn, the push idea on the browser is obviously difficult due to the statelessness. However, a quick polling cycle can make it feel like real-time. Ajax requests through something like JQuery can have a long-polling affect as well because the content on the server may take some time to return.
- Rob Diana
Current state of the art for open source "long polling" is http://orbited.org/
- Brett Slatkin
Rob, does FF do it with polling? You also have the technique of holding a HTTP connection open. I think that's done for web-based chat rooms often. There's a always-on HTTP connection.
- Meryn Stol
Bret, yes, I saw that a while ago. Maybe there need to be more Orbited "recipes"... E.g. "How to build a single user FriendFeed room".
- Meryn Stol
There is no such thing as 'PUSH' on the web - FF is just long polling, i.e. an AJAX request that is kept open, then re-opened when new data is returned. We do exactly the same with TweetMeme.
- Nick Halstead
Nick, yes I know there's technically no push, but a HTTP connection on which new data is trickling in is somewhat like push. There's an open connection the server can "write" to.
- Meryn Stol
Nick, what library have you used for Tweetmeme? Home-brew? You know of any tutorials to do this kind of thing?
- Meryn Stol
As for a framework - it is actually not hard to write, the common problem is that most 'typical' web servers such as Apache are not designed to leave that many open connections, NGINX is much more suitable - as it is very fast + extremely light weight
- Nick Halstead
There is documentation on the principals - but not much open source that is robust http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Nick Halstead
Thanks Nick. This is very interesting. Well I hope that a a kind of "JPush" (ala JQuery) will come to be.
- Meryn Stol
Actually, you can use a forever-loading iframe to do 'PUSH'. Long-polling isn't the only option, though it's the most common and easiest to use method. Twitterfall uses different methods depending on what is available in the user's browser; potentially forever-iframes, XHR, long-polling, and ordinary polling.
- Jalada
groovy sql switch is attempting this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- tiffany
wish there is an opensource project
- kang
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