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Identi.ca and the Power of Microbranded Communities - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
guruvan (Rob Nelson), Itachi, Roney Smith and 21 other people liked this
Lots of good points. I feel so schizo moving between all these sites.
- Kevin Gamble
Kevin just remember that microblogging is a technology and not a service - whichever one of these services let you use that technology in the best way is probably your best choice IMO
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
bump!
- Jesse Stay
wow!
- Chris Heath
Docs Are Old-School, We Need PageRank for People - http://threeminds.organic.com/2009...
nathan, Daniel Rowley, Chris Heath and 83 other people liked this
"PageRank assigns a reputation score to the URL where content is published. This makes it a great fit for content that stays put in one location. However, evolving content distribution via blogs, RSS, guest columns, and syndication are a challenge for PageRank. Tweets, retweets, micropublishing, ratings, and comments - even bigger problems. The solution lies in associating reputation with the identity of the author - a PageRank for People."
- Leo Laporte
from Bookmarklet
Reminds me of "wuffie" where personal reputation replaces monetary wealth in Cory Doctorow's DOWN AND OUT IN THE MAGIC KINGDOM.
- Liam Watts
I love that comic. Makes me chukle every time.
- Roberto Bonini
Doctors are catching on to this and have slipped a "patient will not post online comments about doctor" clause into their standard forms. You don't even know you've agreed to it unless you read the whole thing, and who does that?
- jjjobst
Desirable, but immensely difficult: how do you define a "person" for rank purposes? We are talking here about a huge collection of disparate things. And, what if, contrary to the online reputation, the real reputation sucks?
- Nikos Anagnostou
Agree that we need a soltion for this but a Nikos touches upon is need to agree definitions of scope. Others male valid point also some further discussion and thinking required.
- Najeeb Mirza
PersonRank tied to (possibly) OpenId anyone? ...Everytime I click „Like“ FF brain is assigning whuffie to the author of a message.
- Mindaugas Dagys
Great analogy Liam. Loved that book.
- dthree
Doesn't Googles Sentiment Analysis a step in the right direction? It infers sentiment to rank http://www.seobythesea.com/... and “service,” “value,” and “general comments.” Aspects are defined in one of Google’s papers on sentiment analysis as “properties of an object that can be rated by a user.” Unfortunately, Google is attempting to Patent this process.
- Greg
Yup. This made me think of "Down and out in the Magic Kingdom" too. If you haven't read it, it's worth it.
- Chad McCoskey
I would say not desirable - relevance is highly relative when it comes to people, and frankly anything that ranks people by the noise they make online and how many people they can get to claim they are great... will produce the wrong kind of behaviour
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I agree with Joelle, mostly. The exceptions would be for trolls and spammers -- it's too much work to be on a constant lookout for trolling, and I'd really like to have an automatic metric which would enable me to automatically filter out such rubbish.
- Nathaniel Thurston
leo: yes indeed, and such a content filter would work well by taking into account the distance through the social graph between the author and each reader, rather than using a fixed measure of the author's reputation for all readers.
- Bob Hitching
from fftogo
Nathaniel - I might agree for spammers, but "trolls" are a difficult thing. Many game changing people were labelled troublemakers first, today we'd call them trolls...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Hi Guys - I'm the author of the original article. One thing to keep in mind is that this system could be made topic sensitive. We'd be looking at total contribution/reputation for each person for a specific social graph relating to a specific topic. Is some ways this would be like mapping the Hilltop/HITS algorithms used in algorithmic text search to the social space. The similarity is...
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- Marshall Clark
The problem with any such measure is that some people will take it far too seriously - make it into something authoritative instead of something helpful - and some people will game it. I dont want to have to think about my "score" in any field and have to "work" in the way the score measure in order to be taken seriously
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Interesting post, I was just thinking today when reading about Listiti.com about how Twitter Lists plus this new form of "Track"/search on them can at least partially solve that problem: Just pick a reputable List, one that is large enough to create a thorough but vetted "universe of discourse" (e.g. Scoble's Tech-News-Brands with 500 entries). Then you're searching over that set, and not over the entire freaking Internet. This pretty much bypasses all of Google's PR machinations and their gaming by SEOs.
- Alex Schleber
On SocialToo we're assigning a rank to people based on various points assigned by other people they come in contact (via follow, dms, etc). It has the potential to become this.
- Jesse Stay
Yep eBay comes to mind A+++++ Quick operator will deal with again!!!!!!!!!111one
- Phill Price
from iPhone
But isnt the problem then that all you see and hear is from the "big guys" who are already established, as defined by "in" players who by nature will want to be in the "big guys" good books? We're right back in the landscape of television, where the barrier of entry for new players is high, opinion and value is centrally defined... and we get lower quality and service as none of them tries very hard...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I keep seeing messages of people who can't sleep. Why do you even try sleeping? Sleep is for the weak.
Gary Walter (gwalter), Christian (Simply X), Jimminy Fuller and 5 other people liked this
Yes, I learned that from Louis Gray :-)
- Jesse Stay
The robot Gray is a lie.
- WorldofHiglet
Higlet, have you ever seen Louis Gray sleep?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: How to answer that question....OF COURSE NOT! He doesn't sleep and he recharges his batteries from the fires of the deepest volcanoes and the blood of unicorns!
- WorldofHiglet
Sleep is unproductive and a waste of time.
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I do way better work than everyone else does at this time of night, of course the odds are much better also.
- Jimminy Fuller
Ah, now....I think I've sussed him out...http://friendfeed.com/worldof... I think....Louis *is* a bot!
- WorldofHiglet
Funny, I just posted such a message :)
- Eric Florenzano
from iPhone
OK @guykawasaki was making some jokes at my expense at an event I missed tonight. All that is fair but I am in Indy and he is not. :-)
Nick Halstead, Dennis Jernberg, Cathryn Hrudicka and Mark Evans liked this
I was there. He simply noted your absence and said there would not be enough room for all our combined egos. Don't forget... I "had to" sit between Guy and Loic. Think that's easy? :)
- Louis Gray
Real Time Search Engine OneRiot Raises $5.7 Million | paidContent http://paidcontent.org/article... tip @techmeme
Nick Halstead liked this
So let me get this straight. RSS is dead because one guy stopped reading Google Reader? I am reading more feeds than ever.
Jon Gosier, sull, beersage and 94 other people liked this
That's up and to the right. I am now reading almost 30 percent more feeds than I was reading a month ago. Bring it on. And RSS powers everything - not just feed readers.
- Louis Gray
I just started...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Pubsubhubbub is making RSS even faster. RSS is behind FriendFeed, LazyFeed, and every relevant aggregator. This argument is so silly.
- Louis Gray
Twitter's a great basic RSS reader for headlines and more realtime/'now' stuff. Not ditching NetNewsWire/Google Reader for actual post material anytime soon though.
- BeauGiles
I agree, but RSS could do with a few upgrades here and there though (I just want to comment on blogs straight from the feed itself).
- Hugh Isaacs II
Couldn't agree more. Sure, it might turn into more 'plumbing' for many users, but RSS is far from dead.
- Brad Kellett
900 articles a day? Now that's a lot!
- 321
Louis: I am writing an article about this. It will be in your reader a few minutes after it hits Twitter. :-)
- Robert Scoble
RSS: 1. Really Simple Syndication ; 2. Rich Site Summary => I like the interpretation #2 better.
- Ethan Gahng
That's fine, Robert. We're already discussing it here, though. :)
- Louis Gray
My headline? RSS: interesting or boring? (Hint @marshallk and @louisgray, we’re not normal)
- Robert Scoble
I never said I was normal. Just that I am kicking ass at my job. :) And that anyone else who wants to ought really read feeds. imho
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Agree with Marshall (and Scoble). I believe the best information producers are those who consume lots of information. Know your craft and use the best tools.
- Louis Gray
Marshall: you can read the feeds. The real news lately is being broken in Twitter. But I'm glad someone reads all those feeds so I don't have to!
- Robert Scoble
The signal to noise ratio in feeds is 10x to 100x better than Twitter, though. Even if you do prune your list of Twitter folks (as you have), much of what is there is not news-related.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is the news ticker. If you rely on the ticker to inform your opinion of the world... Good luck
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I had no clue why anyone would use Dave Winer's Twitter OPML tool to get all tweets from friends via RSS. But I tried it anyway and discovered that it's easier to find the really relevant stuff when you get tweets via RSS. I can skim through 1,000 tweets in a few minutes and separate the signal from the noise much more efficiently. And, of course, it's all searchable in GReader.
- Dominic Jones
I'm with Louis on this. RSS is far from over. Like Louis, the number of feeds I'm subscribed to is on the increase, too. Services like Lazyfeed and Toluu are making it far easier for me to discover great new content.
- Andrew Terry
RSS is critical to the growth of the social web, and is growing quickly. It will eventually be replaced by friendlier, less protocol centric technologies that shield the user from the mess that is ATOM/RSS etc.
- William Toll
Me too. Feedly has rebooted my RSS reading.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
completely agree. google reader is a great feed reader and is getting better GUI wise by the week. great avenue for syndication via friendfeed
- James Butler
from BuddyFeed
Taking into account that Im far from been an expert, I want to leave a thought. What if the way of use is simply different I mean, ok twitter is real time while RSS has some minutes delay, but in any case if I receive 900 hits/day I will not be able to read them all as they come so I dont see the problem on getting some delay.To me is just a question of leaving the noise on Twitter as is much more quick to read and pass through the news & info and get the selected ones on RSS for better storage and record.
- Luis Guijarro
RSS needs a proper comment API, so you can fetch all recent comments on all posts in one call from a blog - with threading if the site supports that.
- Richard Cunningham
That particular person was serving up link bait
- Dave Hodson
Dave: links are dead. Or so says the same person (Steve Gillmor).
- Robert Scoble
I stopped using Google reader a couple of years ago and I now just read it in the stream with my Twitter, Facebook, Flickr mixed in (in FriendBinder [disclosure: I wrote FriendBinder]) I'm not sure why other people don't do something similar.
- Richard Cunningham
Stuart: life streaming is a headline with a link. For the most part.
- Robert Scoble
The reports of my death are sadly mistaken - quote Mr. RSS
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Google reader is a great tool...if you keep it to only important and feeds that matters to you
- testbeta
louis agreed I love using google reader. great tool.
- (jeff)isageek
I love RSS and losing it would change how I work (and play), but I really wish it would be more mainstream. I work in technical sales and I bet <30% of that group even uses RSS day to day. I bet for the non-techies it is closer to 10%.
- Bill Grant
Love RSS and Reader both, my feed reading is rising day by day!
- Ahad Bokhari
i'm with you on this louis
- Andy Jenks
RSS is dead. Long live RSS!
- Aaron Strout
I can't seem to stop reading. Anyone else using Feedly in conjunction with Google Reader?
- ronnieledesma
RSS is an essential part of many things now. The argument is irrelevant and though I'd never say they were wrong, they are misdirected or trying to get a reaction. :)
- James Stratford
I use FF, Twitter and Google Reader for different things. Twitter and FF are far more about Buzz and the conversations around the topics. In Reader I aggregate many different original sources together. There is less need for it to be on-the-spot live, but it needs to be deeper and more detailed to be of value, and it is. They serve different purposes for me.
- Robert
Lately, I've been dumping select Twitter & FF feeds into Google Reader, as well as Posterous feeds, so even though I'm using all of these services, GR has now become more of a hub for me. Also: gReactions gives me a sense of how popular a feed item is. I would wish GR would incorporate these kinds of services so I could get more metadata about a feed item.
- phil baumann
Ughh, no, I believe the RSS is dead mantra arose from the real time Twitter phenomenon, however, us smarties know you gotta verify your sources & our attention spans MORE than the space of 140 characters. Catch that, the dual use of metaphor...attention "spans" MORE...As per myself, I read more articles via RSS feeds than ever as well.
- sofarsoShawn
So am I but not in Google reader, I read mine on my desktop in my e-mail program, they come to me, I don't go 'looking for them' I love RSS!
- Sandra Large
Say, don't Twitter streams have RSS feeds? The icon's right there at the bottom of the sidebar...
- Dennis Jernberg
RSS? It'll never displace Usenet.
- Ian Tindale
RSS is very alive and well and dare I say, even young. With tech news, there aren't necessarily thousands of sources like with general business news, etc. Where RSS will be big is in who can create the best filters for those larger niches. But the RSS readers we have today don't support all the features we'd need to create those filters. Google Reader management taps out at maybe 1500 feeds in Chrome, the most of any reader that can export opml (not just rss like Friendfeed).
- beersage
I agree that the problem with RSS is filtering. If something changed the way I use the Net was RSS, but now the volume is so great that unless you prune your feeds regularly you can end up with a lot of garbage. Most average users don't have any idea of what RSS is and that's something that can't cease to amaze me.
- Angel B
RSS & EMAIL are not dead. They are getting better and faster. PUSH tech can push anything. Push Email on mobile devices is just as fast as twitter. And now we are going to PUSH RSS/ATOM. Twitter is different, yet the same. Sure, maybe a news headline will break first on twitter but will I see it before I see it in my inbox or reader? Prob not because I'm not frozen staring at a twitter...
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- sull
Tweetmeme releases their own URL Shortener: Retwt.me (sigh) - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Daniel Rowley, Charles Baldwin, Darren Heydon and 16 other people liked this
love the name
- johnpiercy
too long!
- Raphael, Raphael
yep, too long. Do we really need another one?
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
Another to add to the list. I think I have personally click on about 100+ different ones this month.
- Nicholas James
I am just curious about revenue model of tweetmeme.. I really don't understand how tweetmeme makes money ? At-least there must some cash flow which supports developer salaries to keep going
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Because @jowyang didn't tell me where he's going and I learned it anyway I am very tempted to tell the world to mess up his launch. :-)
A Mitchell, Bert DuMars, Roger Jennings and 56 other people liked this
so a startup then..
- Zee.
But I won't, because he's my friend and so are the other people involved. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the tease anyway. :)
- Steven Walling
Hmmmm...
- Simon Young
I hear he'll announce it "within days" and it's a pretty interesting gig.
- Robert Scoble
When will we find out Robert?
- Dave "Freedom 35"
friend = somebody reliable. keep it secret. keep it safe :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Are there cameras involved?
- Simon Young
Funny. He didn't tell me because he thought I would tell everyone. :-)
- Robert Scoble
so go ahead and tell us! : )
- Teri Gidwitz
Teri: believe me, I'm tempted, just to teach him a lesson! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Rob you're such a trouble maker hahaha
- Jeunelle Foster
What I want to know: Who will replace him at Forrester?
- Dave "Freedom 35"
BTW, I dig the new avatar, glad the green is gone ;)
- Keith - @tsudo
Will he be interviewed on Building43?
- Simon Young
Dave: not possible to replace him, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Well, payback is always worse. They're recruiting for a replacement at Forrester. Go look at his "former" blog; HR guy posted.
- Teri Gidwitz
Same here. Green was getting a bit putrid.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Simon: nah, it's not a building43 kind of thing.
- Robert Scoble
Big shoes indeed.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Oh. Interesting!
- Simon Young
Robert - you post on the race for real time web is amazing - I really want to know where you see real time TV fitting into this?
- James Stewart
Don't pull an Arrington, man. Be cool.
- Daniel Fath
Nice going Robert, we all are looking forward to knowing when the time comes.
- courtney benson
Damn... I got excited for a second that I may be among the first to know what he's up to. I guess I'll wait to find out along with everyone else!
- Jodi Echakowitz
Daniel: it could be "JeremiahGate!" :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you guys are already breaking the ground by using Kyte etc and I tune in, but as a business channel in NZ I believe we need to be out there every day interviewing amazing people, streaming it live, enabling real time chats via FF and the Ustream intergration with facebook - I see facebook as the new TV platform that most people spend their time hanging out on and if they see an...
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- James Stewart
FF is pretty cool for these kinds of flash news teasers. :)
- Dave "Freedom 35"
James: real time TV: http://friendfeed.com/search... Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
haha oops - didn't know about that!
- James Stewart
James: FriendFeed's real time search engine has a lot of cool features that never were explored. I really hope that's what they are going to do for Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
thx Robert ....thats super cool
- Johni Fisher
The problem is that most people that use the internet are still just getting on facebook, I am 25 and I only have a handful of people friends my age that twitter as they don't have a community on there they can identify with - I like what you said about Facebook Public - that is definitely where I see them going with some serious live streaming intergration. Facebook will win because...
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- James Stewart
Robert: True man, since I saw this partnership happen my head has been whizzing with ideas for the implications of it. >> Most of the people in my age group watch videos that have been shared on facebook by their friends and favourite groups. Definitely some new stuff with video on it's way - keep us posted! Thanks for the replies :)
- James Stewart
Amazon?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: no and not Facebook either. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Either your going to be a big tease or a tattle tale either of which will get you beaten up on the playground, so stop it (:
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
DBAD
- Josh Haley
Kim: heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. You're a friend, but you've a habit of breaking news --sometimes when folks aren't ready. It's not personal, but I just know your traits. I'm going to brief you in detail on Wed. We can do a video if you'd like --I'll come to you. Hugs?
- Jeremiah Owyang
awww... ;-)
- Chris Heath
Robert - hug Jeremiah, do the video - but insist he brings that little dog with him. IT is cute :)
- Rob La Gesse
Will Robert put away his (fake) wounded pride and interview Jeremiah on Wednesday? Oh yes, he will - and now we have a deadline. Good work Robert!
- Kami Huyse
bring @goodboyrumba along for the video! :)
- Rachel Luxemburg
"Be excellent to each other."
- Steve Rubel
Jeremiah: :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
OK, can we flashmob to celebrate Jeremiah's new gig right after the interview?
- Elliott Ng
Jeremiah: here is the deal. I am not under embargo but already know the news. So I think I will call Arrington because you didn't embargo me. Oh, and I +do+ keep embargoes. I am even keeping a secret about two things you will learn in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I still struggle with my 7 year old son to not steal his siblings' thunder in matters important to them. It's not easy for him.
- Josh Haley
I know those two things, Robert.
- Louis Gray
I know a lot of things, not even just two, but maybe not the two you are thinking of
- Jesse Stay
Kami, I saw Robert yesterday, and I asked him if I'd hurt his feelings, he said "yes". Robert and I go back, there was a time (ustream launch) where we well, didn't coordinate on news. He's truly a friend, and someone I respect as a media trailblazer --but I need to get everything coordinated. To be clear, he was on the list of folks I'd brief in detail --others just got cursory info.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a long discussion on where Jeremiah Owyang will be going next. Interesting discussion developing on embargoes and 'bloggers'
- Drew B
Lets figure out where he is going. Who is in most need of Jeremiahs incredible intelligence on social media?
- Nisse
Drew, is it interesting that Robert is threatening me that I didn't tell him? Should bloggers assert themselves to get news? (it's a bit fun watching him get antsy)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Is he going to disneyland?
- Cliff Gerrish
Jeremiah: my feelings were hurt because you told pretty much everyone else in the industry other than me. Here's a hint: they can't keep their mouths shut either. But I will. You will know tomorrow that I actually do know the news. But the other deal is that you're wrong. I've kept hundreds of embargoes over the past year and haven't leaked them to anyone. If you weren't a friend and...
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- Robert Scoble
So they want the publicity you can bring but want to control the timing and message. I would be inclined to not agree as well. Sounds like you are being used.
- Brian Sullivan
I hear news all the time about people who aren't necessarily friends but would generally want the news quiet - does this mean I should start leaking those details? I'm not sure the right answer to that. The problem though is often the way I hear about that information is through other friends who were trusted to keep the info private. Is it worth betraying the trust of those friends as well?
- Jesse Stay
The problem comes maybe when you are "friends" with everybody but also are trying to be a legitimate reporter at the same time. We criticize television and newspaper reporters for this all the time but tech reportage seems to get a pass.
- Brian Sullivan
Jesse, yeah your situations seem tough because if you leak, you're a jackass because someone else can't keep their mouth shut.
- Chris Heath
Brian: everyone uses me, I'm used to it, it's part of the role I play in life. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was planning on telling you before the announcement --and the offer still stands. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, that wasn't my intent.
- Jeremiah Owyang
What's the point here??
- Andru Edwards
nothing really andru, I say we just move along and let Robert and I handle this offline. Clearly, we need to work this out.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Talking to Scoble now, I apologized. I take back what I said above, he's not broken any embargos in a while and I take that charge back. I also briefed him, as a friend, and more. Sorry Robert, I crossed the line.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I'm going to guess Jeremiah will join Dave Armano and Peter Kim and work for Dachis.
- Ari Herzog
Ari - that's my guess too.
- Hutch Carpenter
Now watch Scoble jump to Streamy right now to tell what Jeremiah is doing next. Ha!
- Bryan R. Adams
This is funny! "JeremiahGate" got love it :)
- Susan Beebe
Scoble is very good at keeping secrets and creating Buzz! :)
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Jeremiah! Excited for you.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I want a "Gate" named after me :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, excellent start at creating the "buzz" for @jowyang 's launch LOL
- j damon brown
Link Baiting 101: Start a fight with Scoble.
- Jason Calacanis
Once again, calacanis ftw
- Chris Heath
from iPhone
Dude, why would you do that? I knew where you were going both times, and I kept it to myself. I coulda broken it, but why violate trust.
- Jeremy Pepper
Jeremy: who you talking to? No one has violated any trust. We're all cool now anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: and when I left Microsoft someone DID violate my trust and leaked it within hours. So what? It all works out. Coordination is overrated.
- Robert Scoble
LOL Jason. But Robert is right, co-ordination can be overrated.
- Ian Betteridge
Group hug.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah - your recognition and classifications/categorizations of trends and strategies is truly unique. Thank you for all you've done at Forrester. Whatever your new role is, I hope you'll continue to share your thoughts.
- A Mitchell
RSS is a Protocol, not a User Experience. It is what you make of it.
Ahsan Ali aka. Slick, Mahendra (SkepticGeek), Daniel Rowley and 12 other people liked this
Exactly!
- Nick Halstead
well exactly!!
- Bill Masson
Jesse: I think a lot of people use "RSS" to imply the reader or reading experience. We're geeks so we get that RSS is the protocol, not the reader. But we're weird. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Well, I think it's up to us to dispel that myth. Google Reader != RSS. FriendFeed != RSS. Both Google Reader and FriendFeed are RSS Readers though. RSS is still the backbone to many of the things people are saying are "replacing RSS". I'm trying to get RSS out of people's minds - it's not RSS that's dead - it's the poor lame old interfaces to RSS of 2 years ago that are dead.
- Jesse Stay
In an ideal world, you won't even know "RSS" is powering what you are reading - it will be a beautiful, real-time interface with no visibility to the user that there is any sort of protocol powering that interface.
- Jesse Stay
Yet, RSS will be even more powerful than ever.
- Jesse Stay
It all depends on the source feed, if you get inventive with styling your feed then it will blend in with the rest of your site.
- Bill Masson
If You Think RSS is Dead Then That’s Your Loss and It’s a Big One - http://marshallk.com/if-you-...
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Lazyfeed: If You Think RSS is Dead Then That’s Your Loss and It’s a Big One http://bit.ly/3wnlBL (via http://lazyfeed.com) - http://twitter.com/Lazyfee...
Manantsoa, Oğuz Serdar, Roberto Bonini and 4 other people liked this
now see, I like it when you favorite my stuff! ;) Don't quit favoriting things! Wonder how you could get more value out of it yourself.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall - but that's not yours... it's a tweet from Lazyfeed linking to you. :)
- Louis Gray
I love you all, but I don't get anywhere near the value from Twitter as I do from RSS feeds. I'm sick of hearing that RSS is dead.
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justinkan: One man's traffic experiments http://trafficwaves.org/trafexp... - http://twitter.com/justink...
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If you're into understanding traffic, you shoud check out Tom Vanderbilt's Traffic: Why We Drive the Way We Do (and What It Says About Us). http://bit.ly/3FWIOB
- Drew
Disqus. Disqus. Disqus. Blogs are back. Blogs are back. Blogs are back. More later on Disqus v3. Watch @danielha CEO of Disqus & here.
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Robert, Disqus v3 is coming out this week, yes?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Robert, why services like Disqus are taking over blogs' internal commenting systems? ID management? What do you think?
- Federico Bolsoman
@Federico, I use Disqus for several reasons. 1) as you note, identity managment. By that, I mean that the supported login infrastructure provided by Disqus makes it turnkey for me to support people logging in w/ everything from OpenID to FB Connect, and that makes it easier for folks to comment. They like that, which means I like that. 2) At least in the case of Disqus (others as well,...
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- Ken Kennedy
Twitter down again?
anjelina, Kol Tregaskes, Nicholas James and 18 other people liked this
yep
- Steven Jambot
:( yes
- Kevin Nunez
We really should start asking...."is Twitter up?"
- Spencer
yes... this is just so old..
- Monica Brady
seem so !
- sandro
Not even a fail whale
- Joe Kohli
Again, indeed...
- Arjan Tupan
seems they're crashing more and more yet now we don't even get a fail whale! Just server errors. Extra Fail!
- Arleen Anderson
now ok?
- sandro
Still a bit shaky, I'd say...
- Arjan Tupan
why care about it? we have FrF and Twitter now is a Jr. ))
- massagin
ridiculous.
- michael arrington
It's July 2008 all over again
- Mark
yeah its a bit annoying
- charlesbaker
my friendfeed background went black with Twitter down
- Joe Kohli
Yep
- Roberto Bonini
Yes, back to FF we go. hi all.
- James Watters
The pulse of the planet!
- Jason Kincaid
The pulse of the planet has stopped yet again
- Jeremiah Owyang
Reminds me of Barney from the Simpsons - "Doh I think my heart just stopped - oh there it goes"
- Chris Saad
I wonder if it's hackers again
- Jeremiah Owyang
And FF is still up.
- Scott Magdalein
and you know what? the planet didn't stop spinning.
- Luca Sofri
FF doesn't even have a million unique visitors --it's no comparison
- Jeremiah Owyang
Cue "What I did while Twitter was down" blog posts.
- Adam
It's down.
- DaveDelaney.ME
I await a techcrunch post with a headline such as Twitter Down Again: World Rushes To FriendFeed
- Mark
Still down here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
we posted, and we're going to keep posting every time they go down. this is no way to run a company. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- michael arrington
I blame Rob La Gesse (@kr8tr)
- Robert J Taylor
same.
- Kevin Nunez
looks like it....
- walidmREALTOR
Could it be a hack attack again?
- courtney benson
Yep. Social Fresh is going on in Charlotte. Twitter likes to crash whenever social media enthusiasts are gathered together in person.
- trey pennington
it's back up
- Travis Tasset
seems to be back up now.
- Kevin Nunez
This fits into Scoble's prediction that people are going back to blogs because they are tired of twitter going down, not owning their own data, etc, etc
- Andy A.
"LinkedIn Events is temporarily unavailable" so my guess is Monday afternoon code rolls for the social web world (only mildly joking)
- Jay Cuthrell
my 'bots started collecting search results again - guess she's (Twitter') back up
- Robert J Taylor
Still down...
- Carlo Nasuti
"The pulse of the planet"? I think it needs a defibrillator, at this stage...
- Tyson Key
Or a transplant.....
- Roberto Bonini
Andy A. I got a DM from our local press on Friday admonishing me to not add any comments to my RT of their news. "KING5Seattle If you retweet us, could you do it directly? Please do not add extra words thank you."
- Sherry Reynolds
its back up.. I got in
- tattoocats
Now Twitter is back here...
- Carlo Nasuti
no Scoble name allowed! or else this thread will be buried under spam and flood the same way as the Scoble's was ))
- massagin
It was just a mandatory govt sponsored potty break.. Too many people are addicted to twitter and getting kidney stones and we need to cut down on the growth of our health care spending.
- Sherry Reynolds
The ProcessOne XMPP gateway is still down.
- Tyson Key
A fail without the whale just seems wrong. Doesn't Twitter love us enough anymore to amuse us?
- Jennifer
LOL - yep, you can count on the ol' fail whale... dang!
- Susan Beebe
"Why doesn't Yahoo buy a major blogging platform?" http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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Wordpress?
- Jon Kimball
For Some Kids, Baseball Is Destined to Be Part of Their Life from an Early Age.
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Here's Matthew from after the A's game tonight. The A's won 3-2, over the Detroit Tigers.
- Louis Gray
yay!
- Bren -- Still Believes
The iPhone 3G takes some darn good photos (I think). :)
- Louis Gray
I love the first one of him trying to eat the ball!
- Rachel Lea Fox
I'm so jealous you get to live near a Major-league team. Seeing the Mets and Red Sox play last month made me miss Baseball so much!
- Jesse Stay
We were on the outfield grass, awaiting fireworks, with friends from http://www.athleticsnation.com - the best sports blog on the planet.
- Louis Gray
BTW, JJ now has similar Red Sox outfits thanks to Grandma and Grandpa (now, to find something for the Astros for him)
- Jesse Stay
Matthew is working on his spit ball.
- Kristine Gray
jesse - you do realize the mets and red sox are not major league teams!! go yankees!
- Allen Stern
++Kristine!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Hi Allen! Isn't it 3:30 a.m. your time? Go to bed. :)
- Louis Gray
Allen I think you're outnumbered in that decision ;-)
- Jesse Stay
i am allen's night bot - programmed by allen.
- Allen Stern
As long as they don't beat the Astros, I'm all for wins like that! ;-)
- Jesse Stay
i hope matthew realizes that slobber on a ball is just as bad as a corked or pine tar bat!
- Allen Stern
Jesse, you really have to get out of Utah to enjoy some of the finer things in life.
- Kristine Gray
Mr Gray... you're a good man. This is Georgia at 18 months https://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
- Johnny Worthington
My one and only trip to a professional ballpark was for an A's game back in the 80s. I thought I was going to die, it was so excruciatingly boring.
- Dawn
my kid started playing with a baseball at this time and 14 years later he's still playing .. yesterday took us to Santa Maria for 3 games of baseball that ended at 9:45pm with an hour plus drive home .. good stuff
- Todd Dewell
@Dingman it is in Apple's hands. My guess? Another week or two. The new Yelp app is awesome too.
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What's so special about the new Yelp app Robby?
- Joshua Guffey
from iPhone
Shows a map of businesses near you with special offers.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Goodbye Yowza?
- Jesse Stay
We are approaching the one month anniversary of the Spotify submission date
- Mark
@Mark - that is never, ever, ever, ever going to pass - more's the shame :(
- Nick Halstead
Mark, crossing fingers...
- Jesse Stay
Apple's dealing's on the App Store reminded me of this Quote: "God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of his own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e., everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time."
- Nick Halstead
That's kinda cool. =) Now we just need to know how long the lines are!
- Joshua Guffey
from iPhone
http://tweetphoto.com/7ee6bd hey @scobleizer Why Apple rejected our Tweetphoto app. Design BS Other apps have similar Po
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OMG - is that the most bizarre reason to reject an App? We at least know those who work on the review board are old enough to remember polaroid!
- Nick Halstead
Wow, if Apple doesn't fix the appstore my next phone won't be an iPhone!
- Chris
That's nuts! - But Chris, is it really enough to make you abandon the iPhone? If so, you're too easily annoyed. Is there a better phone and app store?
- PXLated
Bringing Twitter back into my FriendFeed stream. I've got a new way of updating you'll find out soon.
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thats why i just got a StayFlood™
- Allen Stern
lol Allen, via FriendFeed, yes. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Oooh! I know! I know!
- Louis Gray
Ha! that is funny (you _must_ indeed trademark it!)
- Micah Wittman
Micah hopefully that doesn't become too common - it's a trademark I'd prefer not to own. :-)
- Jesse Stay
StayMaster!
- Micah Wittman
(an endless flow of riffs are going through my head now. sorry, Jesse :D)
- Micah Wittman
Some pictures from this evening help explain our being offline for practically the entire day. The A's won.
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Matthew has always been a hit with the ladies. We now have a new babysitter candidate. (from pics 5 and 6)
- Louis Gray
The shot with Matthew wearing the shades is great.
- Mike Doeff
Hooray!!!!!!!!!
- Johnny Worthington
@parislemon FriendFeed is over dude - Paul gave no commitments - http://blog.areyoupayingattention.com/2009...
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hey Chris, enough with the FUD. You'd think you were in competition. Oh wait...
- Steve Gillmor
FUD? Competition? I'm not offering fear, I'm offering hope for a better solution. Echo is not in competition to FriendFeed - it's because of FriendFeed that Echo is relevant.
- Chris Saad
I dont understand how you can argue that we shouldnt rely upon one privately owned platform, while at the same time selling your own?
- Nick Halstead
Blogs are open platforms because the only thing a competing platform (competing to Wordpress for example) needs to do to participate is build a better tool and provide an RSS endpoint. Echo, similarly, uses open standards/data and sits on these open platforms. You can easily switch it for another real-time streaming service. Neither of these require you to participate in a single platform to join the conversation.
- Chris Saad
The platform is the web and each component is easily interchanged if a better solution comes along - that's the point
- Chris Saad
Fear Uncertainty Doubt Paul gave no commitments. Read MG's post again. 51 minutes of commitments.
- Steve Gillmor
I did better, I watched the video :) He did not commit to keeping FriendFeed iterating much less competitive and you never pushed him on the point. More importantly, though, I don't understand why you wouldn't want your own blog/software to be as good or better than a centralized tool. You want likes and threading on comments in FriendFeed? Why not use a blog instead and choose a tool that has likes and threading? You have total power
- Chris Saad
I pushed him to get the API commitment which is the whole ballgame. FF is the shit, so the whole blogs argument is meaningless for me. More toys the better. Off to decentralize my nervous system with acupuncture check in
- Steve Gillmor
haha - have fun :)
- Chris Saad
Chris, if FF falters, there will plenty of things coming along that will replace it... some may even be better, and more open... that's what we're trying to do with Grabbit.net, and we thought we could beat FF even before the Faceborg assimilation... just build a better service... with as much open-ness and platform-ness as possible... we will have the beta out in September, so I hope you check it out and give us your feedback! Same goes to you, Steve! And thanks for pushing for the API support! Cool!
- Fred Davis
@Fred if you remain a pure aggregator instead of a generator I will be very impressed - seems like product teams can't resist adding content creation tools into their products
- Chris Saad
It's not just product teams, it's the users. FF didn't take-off until they added all their proprietary goodies (like, comments, etc).
- Carter Rabasa
@Carter that's a failure of imagination from both groups ;)
- Chris Saad
Chris, definitely an aggregation play... for all types of near-real-time messaging... and a big open-source platform play that I shouldn't say more about now... but members of certain open source communities will be very excited about our platform tie-ins ;-)
- Fred Davis
Of course, I'm biased, 'cuz it's my baby... but we're basically trying to build the product we really want to use... and just build it from our hearts more than our brains, if you know what I mean... things created with love usually turn out better than things created by greed ;-)
- Fred Davis
The issue that most folks in these circles (and by that I mean anyone that has figured out how to reach this FF thread (or whatever the term is)) have not grasped is that to make a service "dead" there must be a definitive stop of whatever can define as the major systems that support it. Make any analogous statement to heart or a nervous system you want. When I consider Google Wave, FriendFeed, richer so-called microblog formats, and rebooting/CPR/transplants into other "dead" systems: I smile. Zombieweb.
- Jay Cuthrell
It is funny to see this argument while Yelp gains a million NEW users per month. Facebook is gaining that per week. Twitter every few weeks. So Chris the market has already decided to yawn. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Never known u to just go along with a trend Robert. Chris Saad Please excuse brevity and typos - Sent from my iPhone
- Chris Saad
from email
Thats interesting to know, seems I got too late into FF. I just were starting.
- Luis Torres
Chris - By definition, a revolution needs a leader. Are you going back to the Radioactive days? On the Internet, a blogging revolution would require a 'central place' to organize, find and discuss the merits of an idea. Dead or not, Friendfeed was the closest thing to it that I can remember. If the team can manage to 'port' a Friendfeed-like system to Facebook and / or continue to...
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- Charlie Anzman
Can Friend Feed + Troll = FROLL? As a noncelebrity I must say that claiming that one tech is dead while actively working on something that would compete in the same market is pretty obtuse of you.
- Jeremy Behrens
Not sure if u know who I am but I've been advocating this for years - my work follows my philosophy not the other way around. Also the product I work on exists in part because of friendfeed so it's not competition. Chris Saad Please excuse brevity and typos - Sent from my iPhone
- Chris Saad
from email
The best Twitter conference is looking like http://parnassusgroup.com/twitter... @biz @veronica @guykawasaki and many celebrities and developers are involved.
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good price as well.
- Orli Yakuel
Where are the editors, journalists, researchers and musicians who made the #140conf extraordinary? I have no doubt that this will be an interesting event but I'm struck by the difference.
- Alex Howard
Alex: they are at 140conf. I'll be at both. They both are awesome for different reasons. If I only had one to attend, though, http://www.thetwitterconference.com was more useful for both developers and trust agents.
- Robert Scoble
Whoops! As usual, you handle a misguided quibble with grace, Robert. My mistake. Wish I could be at either; I look forward to participating virtually.
- Alex Howard
"celebrities and developers".... Ah huh...?
- Darren Pollard
Darren and some celebrity developers too. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert! Orli, appreciate for the nod regarding our bent toward inclusivity. Our event is intended to be less theoretical. An academic "investigation" of the possibilities or social consequences 'aint us. More about pragmatic realities. People have apps to ship dammit. :)
- Steve Broback
I am marked as a "probable Twitter nuisance" by http://www.twitblock.org/scan_us... ouch!
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at least you're noticed, mate :)
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Ha!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
True!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
and FWIW, you'd be on my #followfriday but everyone follows you already, @scobleizer
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Does it give a reason why? crazy!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
hahaha! scoble the twitter nuisance, like a spammer even
- Abhijit Kadle
Heh. it works, then?
- Roshni
If the shoe fits, fella!
- Akiva Moskovitz
So the only reason is that you've been blocked by 10 Twitblock users? Out of your 94000-odd followers?
- Rahul Gaitonde
wow! it thinks my username (wordsforliving) was randomly generated + one twitblock person blocked me! LOL!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I am blocked by 3 TwitBlock users. "That's a pretty strong indication that this account is a nuisance."
- Louis Gray
my score is zero, nothing, nada, niets (in dutch) :) does that mean Im boring????
- tattoocats
I'm zero as well :)
- Roberto Bonini
TwitBlock gave @alebaffa a spamminess rating of 0 (http://twitblock.org/~alebaffa)
- alebaffa
from twhirl
does that matter?
- testbeta
Clearly, I need to ramp up my nuisance level! Only 1 block is not going to cut it!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
What a great service! Really helped me clean out my list of followers.http://www.twitblock.org
- Frode Stenstrøm
The New BackType - http://blog.backtype.com/2009...
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Twitter Launches a Geolocation API - http://blog.twitter.com/2009...
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"We're gearing up to launch a new feature which makes Twitter truly location-aware. A new API will allow developers to add latitude and longitude to any tweet."
- Louis Gray
Holly smokes.... that could be huge -- location, location, location
- Yann Ropars
there goes ubertwitter's main comp adv
- stanleyyork
shouldnt they be working on something important - like spam or actually keeping the service online?
- andy brudtkuhl
What a win for robbers and thieves. Now we need an app for spoofing location.
- τorƍue
"Shouldn't they be working on somewhat important" like shortening URIs on-the-fly for SMS only instead of altering data on arrival, creating a huge problem on the Web? [Sorry Andy for stealing your opening phrase]
- Sebastian
You can already spoof location. Actually, you can spoof the phone number behind the Twitter text messages, no?
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Oh wait, they closed that hole, which has been around since the service's inception, five months ago. Only took a few years....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Are they going to text compress lat/long? You can do it in like 6 characters for most purposes.
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a standard format for text compression of lat/lon? If not, now's the time.
- Ken Sheppardson
This was available before, just not on a per-Tweet basis. In IRC they have also said it will be "opt-in", and you'll have to turn it on. You can't specify which individuals it's available to though.
- Jesse Stay
Ken: not that I am aware - it's in my list of things to do. I was thinking a simple intro tag like ] and then 5 to 7 sms characters. Should be enough for 100 meter resolution as I recall.
- Hayes Haugen
Of course the first half a dozen searches on compression algorithms for lat/lon hit on patents. Because converting a floating point number in a fixed range to a shorter text string is some pretty heavy weight IP that should be protected... *rolls eyes*
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh yes, it's an incredible leap!
- Hayes Haugen
An obvious optimization is not to distribute your range equally over the planet. Don't need the same longitudinal accuracy at the poles as we do at 45 degrees.
- Hayes Haugen
My guess is they won't encode it in the message, it'll just be metadata attached like the source, author, time, etc., available only via the API or non-SMS clients
- Ken Sheppardson
boring! though one would still need some sort of client to decipher the encoded location.
- Hayes Haugen
Ken, per the dev list that's what it will be.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder which celebrity will be first to accidentally reveal their home location.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
τorƍue & Martin are pushing my buttons. Re: spoofing, even with noise, there will still be some signal.
- Wade Dorrell
I use Brightkite for my GEO, my set up has worked for a year, but now all the apps are doing the same thing, so it might be time to change it up.
- Anne Haynes
Twitter just reminded me of 2008. How? Fail whale! Only came and said hi for a second, though. Nice of him to do that!
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he misses you LOL!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Still wondering if someone should come up with a Twitter shark just for the day Twitter ever jumps the shark...
- George Hall (Australia)
I wish Twitter would sell to Google so it would die like Jaiku and Dodgeball. But I won't post this over on Twitter. I really don't have much love for the service, even though I know I'll be stuck using it for the indefinite future. Jesse Stay has it figured out. It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping.
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Here I can write the equivilent of an entire blog post. And even make changes. And even have a conversation. And use it as many times an hour as I want (Twitter rate limits my apps after a while cause I'm too heavy of a user).
- Robert Scoble
werd.
- imabonehead
I can sense already that FriendFeed is slowing down now that it is joining Facebook, while Twitter still has the best flow (and best system for following people and best mobile clients). So, we're stuck with Twitter, which is too bad, because the technology here is a ton better.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is a piece of crap - BUT it's where the audience is (currently).
- Jim Connolly
Now it is starting to feel like FF again with you bigging it up again Robert ;)
- Travis Koger
Twitter is the new MySpace.
- imabonehead
Maybe google wave will change the way we use twitter, etc. again. Haven't tried it yet, but it might succeed where friendfeed "failed" - getting enough people to use it.
- Frank S.
Travis: I had to go and clean out my Twitter and Facebook accounts and spread out my usage.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed! - Friendfeed is so much better (for as long as it really lasts in Facebook world...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
from iPhone
Robert: I'm thinking of setting up a facebook account for my Marketing blog - what do you think?
- Jim Connolly
@Scobleizer I don't think Friendfeed would be quite so popular if it weren't for twitter
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Twitter is the new Myspace - HAHA - this quote made my day. For me it is just becoming a multiplicator for my friendfeed but it is important for that!
- Sascha Pallenberg
Prolific: I'm not so sure. Blogs made Twitter. So, what if there were no Twitter? We would still talk up something else. But maybe FriendFeed wouldn't have thrived anyway. Twitter hit a sweet spot with its easy to program API, it's easy to use interface, and its cute name and branding.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter works extremely well on mobile devices. I constantly see people tweeting whereas it's more difficult to do with FriendFeed's interface for a typical user.
- imabonehead
Really think that Twitter is annoying it's users too much. There's some problems out there that are really being ignored. Here's an example of a problem that could be solved very simply, but no action is being taken (if it was solved it'd create a lot of goodwill) http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter...
- Edd McArdle
Robert, now that FriendFeed's people are working for Facebook, and since Facebook has already been making changes to make it more "open socially", do you think eventually that Facebook will become the best place to have serious conversations?
- Carlton Hackett
Carlton: yes.
- Robert Scoble
I've been thinking so too. Although, I wonder how the non-Soc/net junkies will respond to that?
- Carlton Hackett
Robert, two thoughts. #1 - do you think Google really would let it die? Acquiring Twitter would be more like its YouTube acquisition than Jaiku (in terms of price and # of users). Secondly, what would Twitter have to change for you to change your opinion?
- Ben Parr
I really, really, really want Twitter to work out is the thing. It's just a pain in the neck to communicate without either losing the conversation or spamming useless banter over multiple Tweets because you can't fit it in 140 characters. That's just my experience. Those still spending most their time there don't mind it I guess.
- Jesse Stay
I like Twitter. The conversation flows pretty well for me, and to be fair, I get more @replies there than I get replies here to my posts.
- Chris Nixon
I think a combination of the Retweet API and a true threaded replies architecture and UI could change some of my opinion on that though if they do it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: It's NOT just your experience. Twitter is getting less valuable the bigger it gets. The spam / porn / bots issue is insane and ruining the experience.
- Jim Connolly
Chris: I have a twitter account with over 20,000 followers and get ten times as many replies here as I get there. Here I only have a small following. The calibre of people I connect with here is better too.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse, have Twitter improved their communication with developers since you wrote about it in April?
- Edd McArdle
Edd, over the last week I have noticed a difference, yes, but it's hard to tell if it will remain that way. They now seem to have a project manager over the API dev team (Ryan Sarver). He seems to be putting a filter on some things and keeping devs updated elsewhere. They're still learning though, much slower than FB or FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
agree on spam and bots, but it still is a nice little thing, if it remains what it was made for! marketing and reviewing thing isn't/shouldn't be there, true friendfeed is more effective as a tool for sending your message across, it is simple and strong
- testbeta
Testbeta: ... and FF works.
- Jim Connolly
Jim, Jesse, Robert: Value varies. For me, Twitter value continues to increase. I use it to find out what's happening, meet up with people, get random insights into how people are doing, find new people. It all works well. There are many different use cases and one tool does not have to do them all.
- Rachel Clarke
i couldn't agree more!
- lilian
Rachel: "It all works well"? Really? Twitter?
- Jim Connolly
Rachel, I agree with you. I just don't think Twitter works well for conversations, that's all. I use FriendFeed and Facebook for that. I use Twitter for different purposes, and I agree it does still have value.
- Jesse Stay
sometimes i think of Automattic's intense debate, but well friendfeed is intense debate, such a experience was never had on blogs, the commenting, liking, and so fast it propagates, even disqus commenting systems can't achieve what we have here on friendfeed, but i can't just throw away twitter, twitter still is good, true for the serious types it's word limit, reply system is a bit of...
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- testbeta
I would love to have FriendFeed as the commenting system on my blog.
- Chris Nixon
Chris, there are a few plugins that do that. I haven't tried them though.
- Jesse Stay
Chris: Check out what Scoble's doing with FF on building43.com
- Jim Connolly
Jim: yes. It works well for what I want it to do (I'm ignoring the ongoing issues with the DDOS). It's a free tool that adds far more value than it costs me to wait for odd outage.
- Rachel Clarke
Just checked your Twitter account and now understand exactly what you are saying.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: agree, I use Facebook, Friendfeed, blogs, comments etc, all for different things. I even use the phone as a phone occasionally to talk with people ;-) But the assumption that one tool/service can do everything - and should do everything - is something I have a problem with. If something does not work for a person, don't use it.
- Rachel Clarke
The twitter ecoverse is cool, can do Psychological Profiles, can do Social Network Analysis. All those services that spawned as a result are amazing. I am also amazed at how dense Asians Languages are on Twitter, think about it they get about 60% more per tweet.
- Robert Higgins
Ben: at this point I am not sure what Twitter could do to win back my love. I will use it just like I use AT&T and United Airlines. I have very little love for those even though I use them frequently. Twitter wins because it is simple and flat and has great clients. I wouldn't cry if it disappeared, though.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
So why do you hate it?
- Raanan Avidor
You are a hypocrite! I remember you use to sing the praises of Twitter all the time. Another toy comes along and you start bashing it. If I was Friendfeed management I would cancel your account now before you start bashing them. Robert Scoble is nothing but a follower of crowds anyway.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
You want it to die? Such an odd statement. I have met so many great people through Twitter, and the news information I can find through search or news agencies or even people who are newshounds are amazing. I know it's not perfect and the last few weeks have definately proved that, and the spam is just awful. But to want to kill it, what a strong statement.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Twitter is not abot writing blog posts or having conversations, its about small pieces of information being communicated to anyone who wants to listen. You do not have to listen, if you want a conversation use a forum or FriendFeed, use WordPress for blog posts. Stop trying to make Twitter into something it is not designed to be.
- Darren Rollett
I really used to like Twitter, still do sometimes. What I don't like is the Twitter hype. I don't seem able to turn on any media channel these days without reading/hearing or watching about it. Even the BBC reported that Twitter was under attack recently on the main BBC news. FFS come on, there must be more happening in the world than a micro blogging site with a few million users...
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- Nick Bristow
If you owned twitter would you sell to google?
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Robert, Atleast something positive could come out of it. If Twitter sells to Google they might(though its not guaranteed) make it opensource and then a federation of twitter server(ala wave servers) can co-exist happily and that way we'll own our stuff(as Anil Dash and other points out). Or they might integrate it in Wave framework. Not that people are not gonna complain about it but thats a different topic.
- Abhishek
Surely an improvement in the service would be a more positive wish?
- Chris Nixon
Say what you want but something with the architecture of friendfeed is far more conversational then twitter could ever be.
- cheapsuits
I don't know why people think Twitter is the place to converse. It's really not built for that. I find myself enjoying the flow of conversations more on Facebook and FriendFeed.
- Naomi Williams
Self pimping? Hmmm... Perhaps not for all of us. And besides, self-pimping isn't limited to twitter.
- @JonAston
PS - Maybe it's just me, but you seem bitter lately. Hope you turn that around for yourself.
- @JonAston
Jon: You are right. People pimp on FriendFeed too; as I say in my new book.... :-)
- Jim Connolly
@jim, they will do anywhere, this is human nature, they do even in real life, so why not in virtual one?
- abdellah
Abdellah: Absolutely.
- Jim Connolly
"(Twitter) It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping." AMEN
- Alejandro
Personally I wish Google would buy both Facebook and Twitter so they could both die.
- Brian Sullivan
@brian, hey where could I read to you then?!!
- abdellah
@Frank S. Google Wave will only be valid if you actually have other friends/collegues who use Google Wave. Otherwise you'll be using it with the *crickets*
- Naomi Williams
Oh yeah -- forgot that due to circumstances beyond our control FF is now Facebook. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
oh yeah , they share the same vision, they got the same perception...
- abdellah
It's the ff interface (developers) that make it great, but it's really you guys and gals, the people friendfeed attracted that make it valuable to me. Let's consider a real migration to a more reliable long term social media. It has to be open (data portable, unsellable) to get my trust
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I hope the FaceBook people will take comments like these to heart. I do like twitter but the functionality FriendFeed brought was the next generation in stream notification.
- Chris Jackson
Ohh time to pimp Jim's new book on Twitter ;)
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Mark: Yeah - all I need is a title. Oh, and a book....and the time to write one....then I will be pimping like a pro!
- Jim Connolly
Wow Robert, I was thinking this the past few days and could never bring it to words...well done
- Braden Douglass
Jim: I'm time bankrupt but love sharing and collaborating. Let's hire a ghostwriter to capture our best ideas in an intelligible manner :). Joking of course, there's no easy way to spread our thoughts but doing it ourselves
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I was gonna call the Funky Phantom. (That really dates me.)
- Jim Connolly
Robert, I challenge you to stop using Twitter for a month and then blog about the experience. And that includes hiding all Tweets in FF.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
Lets face it, Twitter was built as an update service - a big Internet megaphone. The natural transition has been from update service to marketing service. Big Internet Megaphone. It's good at that, but it's not at conversations nor at discovery. The larger problem is people still approach Twitter like a true social engagement tool - and it's simply not. The disconnect between perception and reality results in the poor adoption numbers and other soft metrics.
- AJ Kohn
twitter is noise. filter it and you can find some gold. imho, that's beyond mere self-pimpage
- Rob Schieber
Agreed Rob. I'd prefer semantic algorithms applied to all tweets. I'm interested in real time search and datamining. And semantic extraction on all status would allow for real time "sorting"
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
i'd love to meetup with fellows and see what api scraping is going on - know where threads are for that?
- Rob Schieber
Idk, This seems so much better then twitter.
- SeanParnell
It does have a lot of noise, granted - but if it went away now, I'm not sure where everyone would run to. Facebook is too silly, Linkedin is too stolid, and everything else is too fractured for me to communicate with all the people I want to in a single shot. Guess I'd end up doing everything through ping.fm after all.
- Ciaoenrico
Wow, Isn't online chit-chat such a fuss? :)
- SeanParnell
Robert, just a week or two you were saying that Twitter is beating FriendFeed because of scanability http://friendfeed.com/scoblei.... And you had lots of complaints about the FriendFeed user interface. You also talked about how Twitter was much better after you un-followed everyone and hand picked who you're following. I have to ask, what has changed in the past few days to make you say that the service should die? Feels like you're flip flopping.
- Mike Doeff
Can't you apply for extended API limits?
- Tristan Seligmann
love the single post/status page, i mean like this: http://twitter.com/twitter...
- testbeta
I noticed that in the past two weeks, the tweet intensity has greatly decreased from all my follows in Twitter. Granted, I'm not following too many, but the ones I do follow have traditionally tweeted a lot each day. Is this a trend (has Twitter become a has been) or is this simply a coincidental anomaly?
- Jeff Sayre
Robert I find myself on friendfeed more these days
- (jeff)isageek
@brian would you consider myspace if both facebook and twitter die?!!(ps: sorry I forget the LOL)
- abdellah
Myspace -- don't know. I haven't really tried or paid attention to it. But probably not -- isn't it Facebook like? Maybe usenet? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
brian, let forget all those techie and go irc :)
- abdellah
IMO, people who don't like the limitations of Twitter and whine about it hampering them are using it wrong. Twitter is not a place to pimp your blog or drive traffic to your site. It is not an SEO tool. It's not a place for you to compete in order to get more 'followers'. If you've ever tried to do any of these things, or if you ever followed more than a few hundred people, then yes, no...
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- Otto
Well said Otto
- Chris Nixon
Jesse Stay: you should stop complaining so much about twitter when you build an entire business based on their lack of functionality and other issues.
- Mihai Secasiu
Mihai, I'm not complaining - they can do what they want. As I said I really want them to succeed. It's a matter of fact that they do have their flaws - I'm hoping to help them fix those, assuming they're listening at all. What are you doing to help Twitter get better?
- Jesse Stay
it is like twitter if for what,where, when and friendfeed is for why, how
- testbeta
Mike: just because I use a service doesn't mean I love it. I use ATT and United all the time and they suck too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And yes Twitter has some good things about it. Doesn't mean it is all good. Personally it is overused and overhyped and YES I am partially responsible.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Apostol I get value out of Twitter. You aren't listening. I get value out of AT&T too but it COULD be so much more. Chris I tried to be positive but Twitter just doesn't respond to positivity. Plus they are cynical AT BEST about their users. Read the Twittergate documents to see just how cynical they are.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Twitter was just there at the right time. It's not the best solution to the problem (microblogging), but it's good ~enough~.
- Trent Hamm
You seriously think Twitter will die once it gets bought by a 'bigger' company?
- Mike Shields
Mike: do you use Dodgeball? It was bought by Google. So was Jaiku.
- Robert Scoble
Trent: did you just call Twitter the Microsoft of microblogging? Yeah, that's sorta what I was trying to say too! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I just find it amazing that all the early adopters get really snobby about Twitter now it is getting more mainstream. There is something snobby about people's attitude to Facebook as well. I'm not a fan of Facebook but I know more people who use Facebook than use Twitter or Friendfeed combined. Even my mum has a Facebook account but she'd never be on Twitter or Friendfeed. Twitter...
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- Paul Nash
I liked Pownce. I wonder what SixApart has cooking up for them. So there's really no chance for Plurk to make a comeback and take back the community? With all the outage problems Twitter has, I would think Plurk would try to capitalize on that. Guess not.
- John Wang
now if the Google Reader team could just get their new commenting system streamlined and real-time ... :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Paul: it's not hard to understand if you are in our shoes. Here's why. When a company is young and struggling to get noticed, they love having early adopters. After all, that's the ONLY WAY a company gets to the next stage. I've never seen a company go straight to Oprah stage without getting early adopters excited. Then once the company gets enough traction they usually start mistreating the early adopters. In this case Twitter stabbed them in the back. Leo Laporte, for instance ...
- Robert Scoble
...got me excited about Twitter and was THE REASON it was the big huge deal at that 2007 SXSW. He had more followers than Mashable last year. But did he get put on the Suggested User List? No. So now Mashable has more than a million and Leo has a knife in his back. And you think it's amazing that early adopters turn their backs on Twitter? Really now.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see how Leo has a knife in his back. There was no preconceived notion that anyone would be added to that list. Who cares? He was fine before that list was created, and he can be just as fine now, and just as engaging.
- Andru Edwards
Andru: when he was hyping up the service and telling his users to use it, he was getting something in return: being at the top of the follower lists. When Twitter artificially put its own people at the top of the follower lists, and handed out grants of followers (worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars, by the way -- Mashable has changed its entire business to be Twitter centric) they specifically dissed Leo and many others. Most of whom won't point it out in public.
- Robert Scoble
Sadly true. I'm in much the same boat -- Twitter is a necessity for professionals and bloggers to stay on top of things, but other socialnets like Brightkite and FF are light years beyond it, which doesn't look to be changing any time soon. Don't even get me started on the spammers and the get-rich-quick'ers.
- Ryan Meader
But before the SUL was released, didn't Leo abandon Twitter in favor of Jaiku, due to Twitter having "Twit" as part of its name? Just saying, if I owned a list that I had complete control over, and someone showed that behavior towards me (whether it was right or wrong, I am not judging), I would think twice before putting them on a list that will result in many people seeing they they...
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- Andru Edwards
I can't agree with you more, Robert.
- Jon Ursenbach
Scobe: I very much disagree that it is about self pimping. Perhaps your senses are mush because you follow too many? I absolutely love getting that link to a new article or research, or to get a tweet from that celeb that makes me think and provides insight into a new world. I also use it as a research tool, for exploratory purposes. Twitter, as you know very well, is about what you make it, and that is a tenuous notion that really is influenced by who you follow.
- Chad Gesser
Andru: again, the list did NOT exist in the days when we were hyping up Twitter. So, there was a "promise" to early adopters that if they invested time in the service they could be at the top of the follower lists. Sort of how PlayFoursquare is today promising users that they can become mayors of places they frequent more than anyone else. What Twitter did was the equivilent of PlayFoursquare telling everyone that their "mayorship" doesn't matter anymore and that Oprah is now mayor of everywhere.
- Robert Scoble
Chad: one thing you have to remember about me is that I see that Twitter has 1,001 uses. Stop seeing the world as black and white. This is one post I'm making about Twitter among thousands. Translation: I already agreed with you. But you have to admit that many people use Twitter for self promotion.
- Robert Scoble
Andru: and anyway, the SUL is hardly the only reason to diss Twitter. Twitter still goes down all the time, it still has stupid rate limits. It still can't block spam effectively. It still has no friend management. It still has no features that didn't exist a year ago. And it is, in many respects, behaving worse. I'm hearing from developers that Twitter is becoming more closed, not more open (to monetize) and we're seeing them pick winners before the marketplace is done (bit.ly anyone?)
- Robert Scoble
The nice thing about Twitter is that it keeps your message short and to the point. Friendfeed is great but it doesn't lend itself well to an external app out of the browser. Also FriendFeed and any of these services you don't own your content
- Seth Goldstein
Seth: bing! So, back to the blog we will go. Except, why are we still here? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Awww Twitter the "me" network :)
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Anyone tried Streamy?
- cheapsuits
because the interraction is in real time
- abdellah
Wayne: retweet me. :-) abdellah: I thought it was because of all the sex. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
that was my expectation too ;)
- abdellah
I like friendfeed because of its realtimeyness, but I like twitter because it requires you to be concise. I have seen some brilliant tweets done in 140 characters or less. I think that's always been the allure of twitter, its sheer simplicity. How many features can you add to twitter without actually changing the core of what twitter is?
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: But what do you want from these companies ? Chaps like you give them the oxygen of publicity they need and they court you and then when they become successful you suddenly start to criticise them. Friendfeed has become successful (in great part to your endless plugging of it) and the founders will now go on to make money through their company being taken over by Facebook. You,...
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- Paul Nash
Scoble: no doubt....I can deal with the self promotion, the e marketing and spam garbage though to me is what has gooootttt to go
- Chad Gesser
Paul: my role in life is to use what will be, not what is. I don't turn on many companies, but Twitter isn't one that dealt with early adopters on good faith.
- Robert Scoble
nick: I explained why above.
- Robert Scoble
Is there a "social media" company that has dealt with early adopters in "good faith"? Facebook, FriendFeed, Flickr I suspect don't qualify ? Any that do?
- Brian Sullivan
all platforms seem to have self pimpering styles, why so passionate against twitter? Objectional question, not one of rhetoric.
- nick tadd
Brian: I didn't know that any of those have actively dissed their best early adopters. Facebook kicked me off, but only because I broke the TOS. It's always been straight up with me. Same with Flickr, although I do watch Thomas Hawk's talk about their censorship.
- Robert Scoble
none as brian says, they all deal with them, and "the earlier adopter" contribute to their evolution until they sell (sorry)
- abdellah
nick: because it's so prevalent there. "Look at my blog post about xxx" is almost a staple on Twitter. It's a new RSS reader. Which is fine, I use it too for that! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think you may have the makings for one of your future blogs here. Perhaps you do it for that reason? ;) The thing about Twitter is always going to be its LBE. It's a mainstream LBE to Social Media. For that very reason its perfect for business, government, and non profit to take public temperature and promote. The other "noise" is the "MV", the "mainstream voice". The conversation is 4 way.(and yes sometimes only 1 way) but there it is and its not going to go away any time soon.
- Melanie Reed
Yes, indeed, Twitter is the Microsoft of microblogging. It's good enough, but not the best - but it has the huge advantage that everyone is using it, so you have to use it for compatibility reasons.
- Trent Hamm
I still use Twitter for more than just updates. I converse, I crowdsource, and I read through to see what other people are thinking and talking about. FriendFeed is the one that I have a difficult time finding use for, but I'm trying.
- Dave Huston
DAMN Robert I HATE that you are right on this one!!!!!
- Arleen Anderson
Hopefully you use it for positive self pimping and not for negative pimping... which is inevitable
- Kevin Burrell
If FF would have taken mobile seriously, the game might look different right now
- Alex C. Williams
Alex, they are taking mobile seriously - they sold to Facebook. :-)
- Jesse Stay
I can't see how Twitter can survive Facebook now. FB will bring Twitter down, the only chance they got is to sell to Google.
- Patrik Johansson
What makes people think Facebook or Twitter is all-conquering? There's a new generation coming through, and they aren't using these services. It's very important not to get sucked in by the hype of a service you use. Fanboys will talk up the positives and ignore the negatives, giving you a skewed message. The truth is somewhere in the massive grey area in between.
- Chris Nixon
The new generation uses Facebook a lot, but not Twitter.
- Steph (sh_skew)
from email
Twitter is just a temporary solution for a quick mixture of instant messaging + status updates + chat forum.
- Bora Wiemann
Just having a discussion today that Twitter will eventually go bankrupt when the hype is over
- Khuram Hussain
I don't agree with you Robert. Twitter is easy to use, succinct and versatile. I've made multiple very meaningful connections through my use of twitter. I do like friendfeed's threaded conversations which are great but in a way it only helps those who have big followings like yourself, because people are more apt to comment on your thread than say mine because they know the conversation...
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- Lon Cohen
For example - how do I message you directly so you know I'm speaking to you (i.e. Twitter @ reply) but all your followers and my followers know that we're having a conversation in Twitter back and forth so that they can follow and interject when they want. Everytime we do that we have to start a brand new discussion thread and I have to "tell" you somehow that I'm talking to you. Twitter is like email/phone conversations and friendfeed is like collective blogging/commenting.
- Lon Cohen
Amen, Robert.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
The power and beauty of twitter originate from limitation. Think of it as conversation haiku.
- Brendan
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