Brother and sister. Jill was the runt of the litter, as far as I can tell. Jack's face was buried in the bed but I called his name for the photo and he got into that pose. haha
- mjc
They need their own show. Just sayin'. ;)
- Derrick
thanks, tamar. hope you had a good bday! thanks, sarah. paul, it's a bit slow right now. would you prefer 1) typing in your login info so i can use twitter API to access JSON via REST 2) not using/waiting for jQuery to load, figure out using pure JS/GM functions 3) leaving it as is?
- Hao Chen
"The smashed Fender Mustang guitar was sold by Sluggo, a punk guitarist and friend of Cobain, to an unidentified private collector, according to Yahoo Music."
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
"Congratulations on your purchase of a brand-new cat! With proper care and maintenance, your new cat will provide you with years of trouble-free service."
- mjc
Twitter should make sure it is only one to build systemic monetization schemes on its service. But either way I don't like it when people "Amway" their friends.
- Robert Scoble
That's pretty rude towards Amway, RS! So, tell Twitter to start monetizing already.
- jamesdkirk
I haven't seen it in action yet and don't want to try it in fear that I will loose all my followers.
- Sweyn Venderbush
I'm not a fan. and they will get unfollowed if I see it in my stream
- Erin @queenofspain
should we not let the twitter market work it out? Is there a major difference between twitter ads and ads on a blog?
- jason keath
Does it violate their terms of service or something? I don't see how they can block it if not. Sure, it's annoying, and if I start seeing folks I follow using it heavily, I'll probably stop following.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wow, I was going to blog about this in a few days. I think Twitter might want to block magpie and instead do this themselves!
- AJ Kohn
Social Media is about sharing interesting things with people who find those things interesting, not about soapboxing crap and spamming others with random junk. Magpie is a service that doesn't understand that, and though it attempts (poorly) at doing some level of justice to spamming, it's still spam/ads and unwelcomed in my book.
- Enrique Gutierrez
James: I was in Amway for a while. They totally try to get you to sell stuff to your friends. The comparison is very apt.
- Robert Scoble
should Twitter create it's "magpie" rather than let magpie run riot?
- Jansen Lu
I suspect this is happening already Robert. Everyone is gaming the system.
- Mark Taylor
No, that was the training organization you belonged to. I was in for a while too. Amway products ARE top notch. And we all make recommendations ALL THE TIME to our friends. Plus you and I and others with online presence put ads on their blogs/sites/feeds. Is it any different? I don't really think so.
- jamesdkirk
A while back I made a post that concluded that twitter is good for exactly one spam (http://seanreiser.com/node/342) because you can drop anyone who uses their influence to start spamming. (And, yes I think magpie tweets are spam). I dont know if twitter should block it, but I will avoid folks using it.
- Sean Reiser
It's close to what we have planned, but we think we have a better offering. Magpie bugs people, but I'd like to think http://twitAD.com won't. ;)
- Andy A.
(warning, I talk about my company in this comment) - I believe our company has a better option (www.zenect.com). Instead of having full SMS ads come from you to all your followers, our ad network inserts 40 character (or less) tagline ads at the end of messages. We don't integrate with Twitter at this time but instead offer a full micro-blog + mobile ad network. And I agree with Jason that the market will determine whether Magpie is viable and popular. If people like it, more power to them.
- Doug
Amway, er, Quixtar's products are fine. The marketing and distribution scheme is sleazy.
- Robert Scoble
agree wholheartedly, Robert. Twitter is largely not a place for this type of marketing. I do not want ads in my Tweetstream.
- Stephen Collins
from twhirl
Robert, I'd love to tell you about OXY FRESH!!!!! KIDDING! But srsly, an Aunt of mine got sucked in to Oxy Fresh, another MLM scheme I think :)
- Richard Walker
yep, it sure does. Especially when those that I tend to click on their links more often have it enabled. Clicking on ads rather than a genuine recommendation from them is going against the grain of whay makes Twitter, friendfeed... all the SM tools useful.
- Wendy Peters
from twhirl
OK, I'll fess up. I've set up Magpie here. I've had it running about two weeks. I've had just one comment about it, and that wasn't really adversarial, and one person ask what it was, and they wanted to join. I've checked and it's sent out just 3 tweets since Friday, so not excessive. I'm monitoring it closely though, and if I got major objections, and/or lots of unfollows I'd review my participation.
- Ian May
I'm not advocating one distribution system over another, but I find it interesting that a fellow who makes his living telling us all about the "latest thing" in order to inform us and let us know why we should like a service would compare this service with one that at base levels just uses social interaction to distribute its products
- jamesdkirk
to those using magpie and claiming no negative vocal response I ask, have you monitored your unfollows? I know a lot of people will simply just unfollow you without saying anything, it's what I do.
- Chris Pugh
but still, doesn't it all come down to "unfollowing" if you don't like what I'm sending in my stream? (presuming I was using this service?) Let's not forget that, folks!
- jamesdkirk
I say "more power to them!" If people like what they do, it will succeed. If they don't, the people who sell their tweets will find they have no audience. Advertising runs our media-centric economy. As long as the market is free to opt out by unfollowing, Twitter will become what its users want it to be.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
dunno, Robert -- be-a-magpie says "scobelizer" is worth up to €22,816.42 per month. (presumably emphasis on the "up to") though one wonders if having your tweets BOOT CUT JEANS NOW ON SALE AT THE GAP constantly interrupted by BEN & JERRY'S VANILLA, NOW IN ORGANIC advertising will just make them TRY THE POPCORN SHRIMP PLATTER AT RED LOBSTER annoying.
- Karim
@jamesdkirk that's exactly it ... the service pays by follower count, so the self defeating fact is simple. use magpie, get unfollowed, lose all your followers, stop using the service, start rebuilding your twitter network ... repeat? sounds stupid to me
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
@Chris I've had a few people unfollow me, and a few more follow me since I've started using it. I haven't noticed a sudden increase in unfollows, just normal turnover, when folks realize that they don't find my inane drivel very interesting after all...
- Ian May
I'd do this if I were Twitter since they could insert ads at an appropriate rate for each users (based on tweets/hour) and type (based on keyword filtering). Only Twitter would be best at ensuring the ad load wasn't too high. And face it folks, they have to make money someway. It's this, subscriptions or banner ad mania.
- AJ Kohn
@Scobleizer None of the people I follow use it. I threatened to un-follow if anyone signed up ;-)
- Joseph McLaughlin
Perhaps a service like magpie could work out a deal with Twitter of some kind?
- Ian May
I'd agree with AJ Kohn. I like the service they provide, and would deal with "tasteful" insertions. It or something similar will happen. And it WILL HAPPEN here on FF before long as well. Wait and see.
- jamesdkirk
one more thing - If I want to be advertised at - I'll follow one or all of the spam bots that follow me. heh
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
Is there an ad network where I can be paid to *refrain* from saying how much certain products suck? heh.
- Karim
*thinking out loud* Could this be why Bezos invested ... does he see a massive new affiliate network via tweets?
- AJ Kohn
it doesnt affect me as I have yet to see it in use. it seems everyone is looking out for retaining their 'Tribe' rather than making a quick nickel at their expense. .
- timduke
One of my Twitter friends says he's unfollowed two people already after seeing their Magpie ads.
- Michael Perlman
I think the difference between bloggers having ads on their blogs & using magpie is that an ad on a blog page is passive. Readers can choose to read them or not. It doesn't generate a text message or chirp or enter any life stream or feed. Personally, I think services like magpie somewhat "sully the stream" and make it less organic; more disingenuous. [disclosure - I am blogger w/ads in my sidebar - but don't use twitter to spam my readers/followers]
- faryl
I also think it's a trust & etiquette issue. If I were John Chow (no offense to John) my readers might expect that - I'd be practicing what I preach. But as someone whose blog is about using social media to connect in positive ways, I don't know that it would be appropriate. Bottom line, if I have to think about "would this be ok to do", I probably should opt NOT do it. Maybe as twitter evolves and there are more filtering tools out there. But not now. I agree with geekmommy's post (thanks @Zena Weist)
- faryl
Robert, I see this slightly different than Amway. With Amway you're directly approaching friends, which would be the equivalent of "DM"'ing all your friends a magpie. With this, you're simply putting an ad up above your house for all your friends to choose to look at or not.
- Jesse Stay
Not one person has complained about my magpie tweets to me. Maybe I'm not worth the time?
- bill giltner
Wow, I touched a nerve here. Will write a blog about my thoughts. Be back later.
- Robert Scoble
@bill giltner - do you use qwitter? after people become aware of what this service does, that might be something to consider using.
- Sociosophy Reviews
Sociosophy, Bill, SocialToo does what Qwitter does too - tracks both people that followed and unfollowed you and sends in a batch daily.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
yes it does, well at least my experience with socialtoo has shown that as I received an email today telling me who followed and who unfollowed.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
from IM
Personally, I don't mind it. It makes Twitter into a real business tool.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
Sociosophy I have to disclose my bias - I am the developer of SocialToo, so if it gives you any troubles let me know.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
We should be able to handpick ads we want to share with our friends, that's the most natural way to do it.
- TunisianGuy
Social Media is not about having ads shoved at you without permission. If I see magpie in my stream, I will unfollow
- Sylvia Webb
in a related question... how do you feel about a service like @breakingnewson inserting ads with magpie ... let's face it, it would be better then the tweet-a-thon begging they seem to do... an they are more a service then a person tweeting
- Sean Reiser
Ancient Internet history (1978)--THE 1st email spam (http://www.templetons.com/brad...) "ON 2 MAY 78 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (DEC) SENT OUT AN ARPANET MESSAGE ADVERTISING THEIR NEW COMPUTER SYSTEMS. THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION. MAJOR RAYMOND CZAHOR, CHIEF, ARPANET MANAGEMENT BRANCH, DCA"
- Micah
Sorry, but I'm posting that link again (http://www.templetons.com/brad...) it's packed with interesting discussion. Another teaser quote (from RMS---YES Richard M. Stallman, that 'RMS') "Well, Geoff forwarded me a copy of the DEC message, and I eat my words. I sure would have minded it! Nobody should be allowed to send a message with a header that long, no matter what it is about."
- Micah
Thanks, Robert for starting the discussion. These are very intersting views, positive and negative. Thank you all for the feedback. We've silently introduced a number of changes to Magpie yesterday to give tweeps more control over their magpie-tweets. You can now hand-select ads, put up your own disclaimer (other than #magpie) and control the tweet/ad-ratio better. I'm looking forward to reading your blog post and to getting more feedback in the comments. Thanks again. (I'm the CEO of Magpie & Friends Ltd.)
- Jan Schulz-Hofen
As of now, i haven't found Magpie to be that intrusive, probably because not many people I follow have subscribed for the service or there have been very few ads from Magpie. I might unfollow them if the ads starts becoming too frequent. I think the right way for Magpie to go is enabling only handpicked ads which users can share with their friends like any other info they want to share. However, if the same service was introduced by Twitter, I wouldn't mind at all.
- Devakishor
@Jan It's great to see you here on FriendFeed joining in on this discussion. I've actually been very impressed with your service so far and the amount of consideration you've put into listening to users' feedback and adapting the service. As others have mentioned, I don't see serving ads in Twitter being much different than serving them in a blog. However, I do love the addition of your two latest features, as I think that puts even more control into the hands of the users, which is what we're all after.
- Mike Templeton
@miketempleton thanks for your feedback. you one of the folks who mentioned that feature earlier on uservoice. it took us some time to implement, now let's see who people will like it.
- Jan Schulz-Hofen
It's simple! If I see magpie in my stream, I will unfollow.
- netvista
lain, you should just make a filter by keyword - tweets with specified keywords in the stream don't show
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
As many people as I know who are having a hard time right now - or who would make a nice bit of change for doing, essentially, nothing - very few of them are actually desperate enough to do it. I'd love to have an extra $1700 a month, and I could easily double my follow count by following bots. Yet I'd never do this, not for 10x that. And I'm dumbfounded as to why anyone would want to monetize their personal conversations. "Brought to you by Carl's Jr."
- Tinu Abayomi-Paul
Robert, I've never had more comments on a post (or more hits) than I did on my anti-magpie post. http://tinyurl.com/5hzkvg - it's still getting hits and comments. Honestly? I don't think it's viable.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Its interesting to see how many out there are trying to monetize Twitter 'externally'. This is one but then there is also Tapulous with Tweetsville on the iphone - I paid $4 to them :)
- Mrinal Desai
+1 for no ads by followers. I'm un-subscribing anyone who wants to monetize their twitter feed. There is already too much noise on twitter. If you think your content is monetizable, write a blog for Pete's sake!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
I don't have a problem with people wanting to monetize their twitter accounts. I don't have a problem with selling ads in the network. My problem is that even if Magpie alternates 1 ad per 5 tweets, what if I follow 5 twits with Magpie. How often am I going to see an ad? The idea is pretty smart actually, but I think it needs a lot of work yet.
- Jason Brett
It definitely bugs me!: http://thefutureofads.com/2008... Wrong medium, poorly formatted message, and it's (in most cases) paying people for things that they shouldn't be paid for (conversations with friends). If everyone was just broadcasting on Twitter, it would be a different story, but ads have no place in conversation (as seen by the anti-advertising backlash on forums) so they have no place on Twitter either, at least in this format.
- Cory OBrien
PayPerPost destroyed blog valuations without adequate warning. Before loosing a Twitter account you spend time building it's best to take a wait and see approach. They are paying you because of your accounts value - will they reimburse you in the event the account is terminated? Just a thought.
- Robert MacEwan
Magpie success will depend on the creative of the 'advert' - a cuckold tweet is likely to induce 'interesting' relationships.
- zeroinfluencer
How is paid content different from any other advertising such as Adwords? Part of the visible site includes non-paid content, and some displays paid content. As long as they are accurately labeled, the reader can make an informed decision.
- Mike Chelen
Because they don't have the balls to be assholes in person so they become typist a-holes online
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
Half the time they don't even have the cojones to put their email address or contact info. I guess that's good, because it prevents me from replying ;)
- Veronica
As Mattb4rd said, it's natural and takes no special effort. That's what makes the problem so bad for the rest of us. Secondly, those jerks don't have anything better to do.
- Morton Fox
Sad little people, don't feed them and they go away.
- Mike Mackley
Just imagine if they took as much energy into doing something nice. *shakes head*
- AJ Kohn
Because they are too cowardly to say crap to your face.
- Josh Haley
I think it's Michael Wesch who talked about the fame of being abusive in his video on the anthropology of Youtube
- Badger Gravling
I think it's because there is a level of anonymity that allows people to believe that they can be someone else online, take on another persona, and act in this way.
- Shafiq Jetha
from twhirl
I personally think Mattb4rd got it right - it comes naturally to some people. Just ignore em - jerks are jerks.
- Royce Mathew
Speaking as a recovering asshole, I'll say that people do it for many different reasons. Sometimes its because a given personality with whom you interact has become a communicative pebble in the online shoe of your life, and you just want to blast 'em. Sometimes it's because you've discovered that you're actually very good at being an asshole, and receive lots of praise for it. And sometimes it's because you're the kind of person that just loves to inflict pain.
- Roger Benningfield
The internet tries to make the world idiot free, but the world makes a better idiot. Simple as that.. aka Pete's theory on internet "a#$hole /jerk" evolution :)-
- Peter Dawson
Veronica, just ignore the jerks. Problem with the Internet is that jerks can hide behind their web browsers whereas in peron they can't. Use the power of the "ignore", "block" or whatever means to ignore them.
- imabonehead
I'm glad to see everyone still hates Assholes, Veronica , you should post the message and the comments on your blog! .
- Percival
moo ha ha ha ha... go ahead. try to hit me
- NoahDavidSimon
Stand By Me is tops by far. But, I gotta say, the artist seems eerily fascinated with your lips...
- FFing Enigma
If the women aren't wearing mini skirts, then it isn't Star Trek. I want a future that doesn't feel like the Clinton administration. Give me some of that wild Captain Kirk free love and leave the Gloria Steinem stuff for some tyrannical alien here to be known as from "Planet Blue State"
- NoahDavidSimon
Noah, I preferred you in the unemployment line. The drunk tank is way too crowded for a guy of your caliber. :)
- XDpaul
Beardy Wil is classier, uniform or not. And not just because of the lips...those Crusher lips must follow you around the room, looking at you...
- WoH: Minding her Steves
WTF - they spent their money on that? Well, I hope they have really fixed the problems they've had with the site or there would be no reason to search twitter!!!! GAH!!
- Paula Hawk
now all the twitter whores can make stalk accusations within the system. wonderful.
- NoahDavidSimon
Don't get me wrong, I like summize, I just think they need to make sure they have twitter itself under control before buying out other sites - just MHO ;)
- Paula Hawk
@Brian, I believe Summize uses the XMPP access to get the public tweets. Given that they use it, have tons of activity and never had any real problems, search could be only part of the purchase.
- Rob Diana
Apple, Mac, iPhone, iPod, iTouch, Nano, Steve Jobs.... oooooo...kick me!
- Susan Beebe
@Chris that almost makes up for backsliding on FISA
- Jason Carreira
@QueenofSpain Jason Carreira said one of those words here: http://friendfeed.com/e... Now just wait until I strategically place his before you kick, okay?
- Cyndy
"...and in the Battle of the Bulge, when the Germans asked that we lay down our arms and surrender, my reply was swift and decisive. i said: 'nuts...and acorns!'"
- .LAG liked that
@Hao Redwall was the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
was my fav when i was younger...and had an imagination ;)
- Hao Chen
the gravy DOES look a tad phlegm-y... EW
- Mona Nomura
yeah I was doing some PHP work on one of my WP sites and found some of these hack steaks in there. It was rough microwaving hard drive but they're done now.
- Mark Forman
There was a lot of "international flavor" to these products and I didn't really recognize any of them from my grocery store. If Google translation can be trusted the hacksteak is a minced beef product often mixed with pork and lamb. Seems like more of a mashup than a hack...
- Robert Seidman
Lean Cuisines have a bigger gap between box and reality than this, I think. ;)
- Cyndy
the name just gives it away. Really what did you expect from "Hack Steaks"?
- Adrienne Van Houten
"Have you ever been curious about aspic? Perhaps you’ve itched to try out a Spam casserole? This is a group for those of us who collect vintage cookbooks, or for those of us that merely wish to pay homage to the dietary delights of our parents' generation. Let’s put those mid-century cookbooks and magazine spreads into action! "
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
"3. Kale This dark, leafy green is loaded with vitamin C, carotenoids, and calcium. Like most greens, it is usually a dollar a bunch." - - I am thinking about augmenting MAP's chili with Kale
- RAPatton
rap: I don't know. kale has a strong taste. but, who knows, maybe it will be yummy. it also takes up more room than other greens, even when cooked down. i guess you could chop it up really fine...
- edythe
the Whole Foods sesame kale is wonderful. alas a little more than $1 :-)
- Karim
I wouldn't put a lot, and it would be very fine
- RAPatton
Kale is my favorite superfood. Chop it up, saute with olive oil and garlic - I could eat it all day (except my jaw will get tired.) Also very easy to make soup with: kale, can of white white beans, chicken broth (sauteed garlic, thyme, and red pepper flakes if you're feeling it)
- Jennie Lin
yes, i used to make a sort of tofu stew with kale. the kale gave the broth a lot of flavor.
- edythe
My friends who roast and grind their own coffee beans are horrified that I not only drink instant but will buy and drink coffee out of one of those old-style coffee vending machines. Ahh, life without taste buds is grand.
- David Muir
I don't know I make some pretty shitty coffee myself. I don't even want to tell you what it tastes like. :-)
- Dave Winer
I use nescafe espresso as the last last backup resort, and it is edurable with sugar and milk. other than that instant always tastes ugly. not even for caffeine.
- Nicole Simon
@Barry de la Rosa eew. Blech tea just doesn't do it for me ...
- Robert Couture
from twhirl
I don't understand the instant coffee thing. Is it like hamburger, only for coffee? Is it actual ground-up coffee beans with floor sweepings? What? I can't drink it myself, but I salute your... stalwart-ness (or something)!
- Lisa Creech Bledsoe
from twhirl
Explanation: "In January 2007, people from Perth, Australia gathered on a local beach to watch a sky light up with delights near and far. Nearby, fireworks exploded as part of Australia Day celebrations. On the far right, lightning from a thunderstorm flashed in the distance. Near the image center, though, seen through clouds, was the most unusual sight of all: Comet McNaught. The...
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- Andrew Baron
Wow, 153 people 'liked this" so far and almost 30 comments.
- Andrew Baron
Absolutely incredible shot! Then again some of the best shots on the web come from NASA, National Geographic, Discovery and, of course, Hawk :)
- Charlie Anzman
Not to be too cynical but that shot seems to good to be true -- I wonder if there is more processing going on than the text seems to admit.
- Brian Sullivan
I'm going to side with Brian here. What is right: Comet McNaught was that bright in WA (I use to live there), but I checked my attempted pics, they predate this by over a week. I'm sure the comet was only that bright for less than a week. Second, the main Australia Day fireworks occur in Perth City...which isn't near a beach . Maybe it's Leighton Beach with Fremantle to the left...but it doesn't seem right. I did check the weather records though, there was a storm that night, and it's in the right direction
- Duncan Riley
I do hope it is real though...and I forgot how wonderful the environment there is
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, last year both Fremantle and I believe Hillarys held their own fireworks for Australia Day. I myself was trying to guess the location this morning. Being a regular on Leighton beach though it doesn't look familiar so I was thinking it may have been taken to the north of Hillarys. It also made me very nostalgic for Perth :)
- Penny
At 302 likes, the #1 most liked post of all time on FriendFeed. Antti Kemppainen Photography - Here's Antti's original picture http://jkemppainen.com/antti... Antti's e-mail is kemppaisantti@gmail.com, and you can scroll through Antti's other photos.
- Mitchell Tsai
I didn't know it was called an Oxford comma either, thanks. Wikipedia tells me it's called an Oxford comma, a Harvard comma, or a serial comma :)
- Michael C. Harris
I can't wait for the next time at work when I ask someone, "Could you send me that file in Oxford comma delimited format?"
- Kevin Shannon
One, of, the, many, things, i've, learnt, on, friendfeed.
- Gordon Swaby
I didn't realize it had its own name, either. I always use it. In fact, I tend to list three items out of compulsion to use it... heh
- Michael W. May
I will drop this quote and move on. The differences of opinion on the use of the serial comma are well characterized by Lynne Truss in her popularized style guide Eats, Shoots & Leaves: "There are people who embrace the Oxford comma, and people who don't, and I'll just say this, never get between these people when drink has been taken." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...http://snipurl.com/2u2sp
- Russellreno
I'm with you Edythe, with a whole lot of reverence to the Comma, and; I also pay due obeisance to the Semicolon.
- Parth Awasthi
The semicolon is, alas, woefully under-appreciated.
- Joanmarie
from NoiseRiver
I overuse the colon and semicolon; at least that is what I am told. ;)
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Most punctuation doesn't get its proper due: people over-use the comma when they really should use a colon or a semicolon. Don't even get me started on the lack of em dashes and en dashes; they happen to be perfectly valid and useful punctuation marks that nobody uses anymore.
- Mark Trapp
Michael, I want to say you should've used a colon instead of a semicolon there :)
- Mark Trapp
I've seen those English dramas too They're cruel So if there's any other way To spell the word It's fine with me, with me
- Joe Dawson
I am yepping this 100%. Although I allow myself little creative leeway with commas, colons, and semi-colons, I am otherwise mortally strict when it comes to proper, classic punctuation and grammar. Yep, I am the guy who has no problem with the em-dash and a semi-colon meeting.
- Akiva
I'm a big fan of the semicolon and the serial comma. I suspect publishers wanting to save ink are responsible for dropping the serial comma :)
- Steve Lowe
Joe Dawson: :) and, yes, I also love the semicolon.
- edythe
I will cut some slack where the Oxford Comma (never knew it had a name) is concerned, but NO SLACK for the "apostrophe mistakenly used for plural" crowd. That makes me feel like Conan the Grammarian.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)