What Michael said. There is nothing like sweet tea. - Harvey Simmons
They seem to like it COLD here, ewwwww ;) - Sally Church
Nope, love my coffee though. for me tea is a particular time or feeling. - Rob Diana
That would be tea colored sugar water. Just the thought makes my teeth fall out. :-) - JMS
Hmm... well, since I have the urge now, I better make some Earl Grey before it gets too hot and humid - Michael W. May via twhirl
I enjoy a nice cuppa as much as the next guy, but when it's 103 outside, bring on the ice. In my own defense, I am a regulation southerner, barefoot and everything. - Harvey Simmons
I have a funny story about the differences in American's view of tea. When I was about 6, we lived in the Netherlands for 2 years and our neighbor was from Scotland. My mother cooked dinner for him and his wife and made sweet iced tea. He took one drink, made his horrible face, and said "I'm sorry, but what is this bloody mess?" - Trish Robinson
That is the face I make when I am silly enough to try iced coffee yet again - Michael W. May via twhirl
I'm from the South, so sweet tea is definitely a favorite, but I also love PG Tips w/ a bit of soy milk... The South definitely has more than just sweet tea, if you're in polite company ;) - Jason Carreira
Iced or hot, I like them both. It's cold enough in our building to enjoy hot even in summer. - JMS
Most of the Brits I know are of the same opinion, that Americans haven't quite grasped the concept of tea. It seems like an insignificant point, but is actually an important indicator of the cultural difference. I vaguely remember reading about some European general who came to America during the Revolutionary War, and he was stunned that you couldn't tell American soldiers to just do something, you had to explain WHY they should do it. - Karim
This translates into perhaps less decorum, more mockery of established order, and less understanding of the "proper" ways to do things, such as make tea. (Americans have been known to put milk in the cup AFTERWARDS!) The flip side is, of course, rock music and moon landings. :-) - Karim
@Karim "the "proper" ways to do things" depends in which culture u r in. In japan nobody uses milk in their tea. The tea ceromny is most elobrate of tea thingys :)- - Peter Dawson
I'm content with my iced moca coffee. Thanks though. - David Cook
Karim, milk does go in after ;) and then only in certain types of tea. Oh and I'm not British - Aussie convict here mate. Take directions from some Pommie bastard? Not bloody likely cobber! Yet can still make a decent cuppa :-) - Patricia Hanrahan
LOL ++1 Foster's Lager for Patricia !! - Peter Dawson
Fosters?!?! Strewth mate, that stuff is cats' wee. Be chundering all night on that :-) - Patricia Hanrahan
seems that accent is certainly comeing fr an irish type of convict !! - Peter Dawson
Southern Sweet Tea on a hot fourth of july nothing like it. - Franklin Pettit
From the page: "Apple, through its marketing and visual design techniques, is manufacturing an illusion that merely buying an Apple makes you part of an alternative community. But the technology they use is explicitly chosen to divide people into separate digital cells, and to position Apple as sole warden. When your business depends on people paying for the privilege of being locked up, the prison better look and feel luxurious, and the bars better not be too visible" - Nicole Simon
I disagree with this article. There are plenty of reasons to avoid the iPhone 3G, however the points in this article don't make very much sense to me. While I disagree with Apple's way of doing things, they're not the first to employ these types of software controlling tactics (the gaming industry has been doing the exact same thing for years). Contrary to the first point in this article, it does NOT block free or open source software, either. The FSF is doing contra-FUD yet again. - Liron Tocker
Liron, "others did this before apple" is not a very good argument. It's not about the wrong doing of others, but what Apple has done wrong since they've started producing the iPod. It all started back then, moved over to software (iTunes) and reached it's peak with the iPhone. The FSF tends to be a bit to harsh in their ciricizm, but the core of their argument is correct and needs to be spoken. - Igor Schwarzmann via twhirl
My point with pointing out that "others did this before apple" absolutely wasn't in any way meant to justify these marketing or software distribution methods, the point with this was that many seem to target Apple as the sole peddler of these tactics without noticing (or choosing to ignore) that it's the norm in other markets. - Liron Tocker
Oh, don't fool yourself, this campaign targets every DRM house, not only Apple - Marcos Marado via fftogo
Liron, it's a campaign, they have to focus on somebody to get any attention at all. There is no other way. - Igor Schwarzmann
In general, I agree with points made on DRM by the FSF. But I sometimes feel like they're attempting to sensationalize issues using "Michael Moore-ish" tactics by creating counter-FUD. Why are they not mentioning that Symbian has recently been open sourced, either? - Liron Tocker
@Liron, Symbian wasn't open sourced, Nokia just announced it'll be open source in 2 years. And we don't know how will Symbian Open Source look like, Nokia is a fan of DRM, but it's still early for this subject. I agree with the article, but I think those who buy/bought an iPhone won't care about these matters. - Hassan Ibraheem
Tad: Liking an article's title without appreciating its body and the thoughts and ideals behind it which drive the package... can't you get enough of that on Digg, man? - Roger Benningfield
ok, so NOW who's read it? thoughts? or all we all still stuck on taking off our clothes? - Erin Kotecki Vest
Roger, I don't usually "like" links without at least browsing them, but in this case I just couldn't resist a clever/frivolous title. At least I was specific in saying WHY I liked the title. And yeah, I still haven't read it. - Tad Donaghe
Erin, I hear you on this.. I wonder which Top male blogger is willing to take off their cloths to pose for whaever top of the line gay mag is out there ? I think Blogher s/run something of that and take vote from blogosphere :)- Screw the Fuckard's ! - Peter Dawson
Peter: I'd pose nude in Redbook for $1.50 if there were any women insane enough to want to see the resulting spectacle. - Roger Benningfield
LOL nude spread in Redbook, Those folks who work at the “ I’ve fallen and I cant get up” place will be busy that day. - Tony C
Solly Roger, you dont fit the A-lister top blogger status..:)-- - Peter Dawson
Tony: I figured Cosmo and Jane would insist that I *pay* to get into the mag. And I didn't want my formidable not-hotness wedged between cake recipes and diet plans in Woman's World. - Roger Benningfield
Peter: The fact that they haven't yet invented a letter to accurately describe the list I occupy doesn't mean that I'm not at least as nakedly unpleasant as Robert Scoble. - Roger Benningfield
There are certainly enough boobies already on the Internet. Hell, I'm not even much into boobies whether they belong to women or men. (And in the blogging world the boob distribution is probably about 50/50). But I've never seen how calling a woman attractive, or wanting to see her in a bikini, is disrespectful. I find physical beauty cosmically awesome and breathtaking and respect it a lot more than most things. It's the universe at play.. stop being such Puritans! - Anthony Citrano
@Roger , touche bien for that last comment .. "I'm not at least as nakedly unpleasant as Robert Scoble" :)- - Peter Dawson
I don't understand how this is a "new" thing. Playboy has had a pictorial for women in many different professions - Women of Enron, Women of Starbucks, Women of Wal-Mart for Christ's sake. Women have boobs. Many men like boobs. Some men even like brains and boobs at the same time! - David Worrell
i can add upcoming for a user, but not use the upcoming feed (and therefor the icon) in FF to feed a group on upcoming into a room here. Due to the limitations of upcoming I would want a special RSS feed used for my own as well, as upcoming does not separate in the feed between watching and attending. - Nicole Simon
The author says she won't use Friendfeed unless they build sex discrimination into the recommendation algorithm. - Andy Roberts
No, Andy, she's saying she wont' use FriendFeed until there is a true representation of actual users. - Cyndy
@Cyndy wait, she won't use FriendFeed until there are more women on FriendFeed? Does not compute. (need to RTFA still). - Nathaniel Payne
just one note to her post - if FF added a random style default option, then women and men would both show up though I don't know what percentage of people on FF are women. - Allen Stern
Nathaniel, she's pointing out that the "most subscribed" list that's pre-populated is all men. It's going back to Allen's post about the stuffing of the ballot box. - Cyndy
I don't think I subscribe to any of the most popular. I think the two most popular people I subscribe to are women: Ginger Makela and Edythe. Pick who interests you, and don't worry about what everyone else is listening too. Everyone subscribing to the same people just makes it like broadcast media. This is the new world and you can build your own channel (feed). - RAPatton
I tried to work though some interesting links and coming back to the friendfeed page, I cannot find that list of links again because it - yet again - has reloaded. Stop doing that or allow me a setting where I can say when I want reloading! *angry* - Nicole Simon
workaround- open a box to type a comment and leave it open. We've requested a non-refresh option, hopefully it's in the works. - xero
What about using the permalink - "More" > "Link to this entry"? - fst
"Life in the Can is the continuation of our work on Croncast. It's an experiment to push ourselves to create a new type of podcast - less improv and more polish.
Each Monday we'll release a new Episode of Life in the Can. As a bonus we're also releasing the uncut Sessions for each week Monday, Wednesday and Friday." - Nicole Simon via Bookmarklet
"Lets not forget that in the time of Martin Luther King it was his beliefs that many (particularly in the south) found repulsive. I'm certainly not, and I repeat NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT equating Mr. King's comments to those of racists. What I am saying is that Mr King wouldn't have had the chance to express his beliefs if we allowed those who thought they were repulsive to silence him and the danger of making rules based on how you feel is that someone with warped values (like those who found MLK's ideas repulsive) can use your rules to justify atrocities (like silencing him would have been).
The distinction here is between the perfectly acceptable "I would never give them a platform" and the completely unacceptable "they don't deserve a platform". I encourage people to use tools to keep undesirables out of their private conversations but on the macro level trying to silence even the most repulsive of people is contrary to a belief in free speech." [thanks to @marshallk for the link] - Nicole Simon via Bookmarklet
I'm sorry, that is BS. There is a huge difference between Freedom of Speech and personal attacks, and that was very much a personal attack. The entire concept of Freedom of Speech has been distorted in such a way that people think it means anyone can say anything anywhere, and that's simply not how it works. - Cyndy
Cyndy: Where did you get the idea that a personal attack (as distinct from libel or slander) is not protected speech? "The president is a shithead" is speech that must be preserved no matter how much it might offend an individual, and despite it being a personal attack. (It's entirely possible you didn't mean that the way I'm taking it, and if so, awesome.) - Roger Benningfield
I think I understand what the author was trying to say, but his post really just shows his true misunderstanding of a simple fact: any racism is evil and does not ever deserve a platform, it needs to be purged from society forever, which I believe generationally it is but only slowly and in small measure - to slow frankly for those of us repulsed by it - mike "glemak" dunn
Roger, personal attacks on a corporate-owned platform are not protected under the Constitution. Ever. Can you say it on the street? Yes. Can you publish your own paper? Yes. But it's not any sort of violation of free speech to ban the living hell out of that sort of "self-expression" on a web site like Yahoo Live. - Cyndy
The burden of proof for libel or slander (in the U.S., at least) is much higher for public figures than it is for ordinary folks. Their celebrity has made them targets for satire and vitriol, and therefore you can get away with more when you "attack" them. The question for us now is: at what point does one become a "public" figure? - steplow via NoiseRiver
Mike D: I don't think the author is misunderstanding anything... the ideal of free speech (as opposed to the legal implementation thereof) is all about preserving a place in the public sphere for *all* ideas, no matter how out-of-fashion, misguided, or downright repulsive. When we start deciding that something doesn't "deserve a platform" rather than simply refusing to *provide* a platform ourselves, we've leapt down a slippery slope wearing greased skis. - Roger Benningfield
Luckily we aren't obligated to only read those things that Techmeme deems important. - Ontario Emperor
And for the record, I don't want the discussion on Techmeme for personal traffic. I want it on Techmeme for exposure and expanding visibility. - Louis Gray
maybe, just maybe because it's not really newsworthy? racism is alive and well, so nobody should be as surprised as you seem to be when it rears its ugly head on the internet? - Andy Green
There's some 'X' factor Gabe has. Some sort of engine that's tracking memes based on terms. Big blog links can make it happen. Smaller blogs probably have to fall into that 'X' factor world. - Hutch Carpenter
Except, Andy, that TechMeme's goal is to track "memes" and discussion or news on the Web. This is clearly one of those "memes" that is engaging conversation. I've been on there a number of times for discussion that's not necessarily "news". - Louis Gray
The perennial problem of race and class issues, is that throughout history, it's a zero sum game. It's a given. - Kevin Lim
can you remember a story that has generated so many comments? techmeme's failure here will be something we will remember when we're looking for news that has the community buzzing. - Nice Fish Films
@louisgray actually, it appears that techmeme is simply following the "tech" part of its name. if you look at the front page, it's all about technology, not social issues such as racism. To me, techmeme is simply keeping its eye on the ball by not participating. - Andy Green
Personally I'm happy it's not on Techmeme...the news today is iPhone and iTunes. And besides, it's TECHmeme. - Mack D. Male
I'm torn as to whether this story should receive more coverage. Do we want to give these people more attention? @Louis what value do you see in continuing the discussion? - Carla Thompson
ah well, we tried. we could talk about this at elite tech news podcast. - Jason Kaneshiro
Carla, the commentary from SAI, SheGeeks, Profy, Shey, Bwana, Hutch all added to the conversation as to their views and experience. I want to increase the visibility of how real and rampant this problem is, rather than turn away from it in a fit of Apple/iPhone/MobileMe mania. Those of us in this sphere have seen multiple opinions, but I bet 80-90% of those who read Techmeme and other sites haven't yet been made aware. - Louis Gray
@louis - please continue to highlight this issue. I'm totally shocked you seem to be the only one saying this is unexceptable. - Toby Graham
I think if you're reading TechMeme, chances are pretty good you're on FriendFeed or subscribed to one of the bloggers you mention. While I disagree with those who say the story doesn't belong on TechMeme - it's about racism within tech communities - I think these assholes attacked Wayne and Corvida to get attention. And that's exactly what we're giving them. No, they won't go away if we ignore them but I don't think their behavior is going to change because more people are aware of it. - Carla Thompson
@Toby I don't think it's the case at all that Louis is the only one saying it's unacceptable. I think there are differing opinions on how to respond to it. - Carla Thompson
These blog posts are getting dozens of comments and there are multiple blogs linking to each other on this topic. I can't think of any reason why this shouldn't be on TechMeme today. - Mike Doeff
@Carla, zero tolerance is the way to deal with it. "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - Albert Einstein (thanks to AJ Batac for sharing the quote) - Toby Graham
How can the topic *not* be on Techmeme? I'd assumed the algorithm was automatic. Just how much of what gets on there is subject to human editing??? - Sprague D
What's pathetic to me are the people who dismissively say, "Why are you so shocked, it's always like this," as if it's a non-issue. Those are the people who just "ignore" it, therefore giving tacit endorsement of the homophobia/racism prevalent in online discussions. You want to stick your head in the sand and pretend it's a non-issue, fine, but the rest of with a spine/ethics/balls/morals are going to keep talking about it. - faboo mama
Faboo mama: I think it's because of how much information and culture people appear to consume and yet when a tiny slice of reality shows up it's like OMG BAD PEOPLE. That's not necessarily the same as an endorsement, it's more of a critique of how isolated people are, in a world much bigger than them. - Eric Rice
@Carla I don't see why the puppets can make Techmeme and this issue shouldn't. I've seen so many comments to the effect of "Wow I didn't know this still happened in 2008". People need to hear about this. - Shey
Too busy tracking real issues in the space, you know.. like the iPhone - sean percival
Does anyone know how TechMeme works? Was it manually curated out by TechMeme or did this whole conversation stay on FF and not really on Twitter via TinyURLs? - Elliott Ng
I don't even read TechMeme, who cares. Aren't we all going to run into these stories at one point or another anyway? - Shawn Farner
I don't read techmeme either, to be honest. I have come across these stories solely because I either already subscribe to those bloggers, or I saw it here on friendfeed - Rahsheen Porter
We should digg, bookmark, et al a single post on the subject to gain visibility. Need a focused effort. Any suggestions for the single post we can all digg? Of course, one post on the subject by the very cool Dave Winer would be an excellent solution ;) - Dave Martin
I am the same as others...I dont really follow techmeme. I can get all the stories via twitter or friendfeed. - (jeff)isageek
Interesting - for some reason so many blogs have been omitted, including Louis who started the discussion here (and I think his post on the subject was the first one, correct me if I'm wrong). What I don't get today is where Gabe Rivera with his reply - he usually jumps in pretty quickly with his explanation that we all have no idea how exactly Techmeme works. Gabe? - Svetlana Gladkova
It says in the name: Techmeme. Tech. This is - as is hunger in the world, bombing of terrorist, war, American Idol and other stuff etc not a topic related to tech just because people in tech blog about it. As for Gabe not replying here - this is what you get when you put tons of comments in a scattered service and expect somebody else to know about it. Or for example do you read all services available on the net about yours Svetlana? - Nicole Simon
Perhaps I'm overparticipating in FriendFeed, even at just a few comments a week, if people sense something is amiss if I don't reply to everything involving Techmeme. Anyway...Andy Green mostly covered the obvious points. So, what's the story here? Some anonymous losers said nasty racist things in some chat area (which happens all the time), and then Louis Gray noted how bad that is? Hmm...if you're going to suggest that an omission on Techmeme is wrong, you're gonna need to find something more uncontestably newsworthy than that. - Gabe Rivera
The tech piece is the anonymous nature of the communications. This is the Internet form of wearing a white sheet and covering your head. There is absolutely a tech angle-- the tech enables this behavior. I'm not saying anonymous shouldn't be allowed, but burying your head and ignoring it is not the answer either. - Kevin
@Nicole: Actually yes, I have all the alerts enabled for Profy everywhere I can in order not to miss something related to Profy. And as far as I know, Gabe must have some similar system for Techmeme since he really constantly appears on FF with his explanation of why our guesses about Techmeme are wrong moments after the comments are submitted. - Svetlana Gladkova via twhirl
Typical response there Gabe --- treating it as an isolated incident -- that's one of the reasons why it took a year for the TechNigga thing to blow up. I definitely see a link between the Feldman news and this incident. Feldman got continued coverage through his puppet crap yet this doesn't. - Shey
Oh jesus, then get ARRINGTON to post about it, THEN it will matter. Feldmen's his pal apparently. Besides, this DID hit the news last time because He talked about it. This year later thing is because something went from social media's wild west space to the real world which bitchslapped Feldman's ass back into struggling comedian-dom. There. You got it. Have a great day. - Eric Rice
And don't give me this shit about 'newsworthy', the PUPPPETS made it on there. As have 12 million Twitter/Friendfeed/Facebook Twitter/Friendfeed/Facebook Twitter/Friendfeed/Facebook Twitter/Friendfeed/Facebook posts. Try polling some grownup shit like Bloomberg. - Eric Rice
And it doesn't matter if you personally don't read techmeme or not. Others do. Others do in order to catch crap like this. That's all from me, I'm gonna go eat the head of a baby harp seal now. - Eric Rice
lol I'm not even sure you know what it is we're talking about. Yelling is ok; just do a little reading first before making yourself look silly. - Shey
From the page: "For about six months, I used the popular social networking bloglet service, Twitter. I started Twittering as an experiment, because it looked like fun and like another way to make connections online. In the end, though, it almost ruined my (blog) life." - Nicole Simon
From the page: "Curious I pinned a note to his collar: ' I would like to find out who the owner of this wonderful sweet dog is and ask if you are aware that almost every afternoon your dog comes to my house for a nap.' " - Nicole Simon
That's too cute. Poor doggie... losing his beauty sleep. :) - Yolanda
"I kept seeing this same guy wandering around some evenings, looking a little lost like me. I waved and said hello to him one night — it was f*cking Viggo Mortensen. So it seems the only people who spot me are fellow sleepless actors in Europe!"" - ben barren via Bookmarklet
he should get rid of the beard though. ;) - Nicole Simon
Do prototypes count? Other than that I concur with Oliver, manufacturing is overrated - Cains
*raises hand*...works at a manufacturing company. ;-) - cmiper
I don't even have 4000 of my own business cards. - Rick Wolff
I took all my business cards yesterday and put them into batchbook. I had quite the stack. No where close to 4K like Scoble. But, a good decent amount for me. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
Goto alibaba.com and you'll find someone to manufacturer pretty much anything...even business card readers, holders, etc. Perhaps you should take a trip to China soon. - Andrew Leyden
I work as a software engineer at a manufacturing company. :) - imabonehead
you know, there is this funny thing called the internetz with sites like xing and linkedin which allow you to search for industries ... ;) - Nicole Simon
I can put you in touch with a very skilled luthier. - Brian Norwood
Brian (he works for Seagate): good point! :-) - Robert Scoble
I manufacture (sometimes) coherent sentences. - Shawn Farner
Gotcha covered, Robert. You name the type of manufacturing and I've got your people ;) - Bradley McSpinn
My son can manufacture just about anything -- with Legos. - Joe Chiappetta
I work for Griffin Technology (largest manufacturer of iPod & iPhone accessories). I deal with product development from ideation to design to manufacturing. What's up? - Dave Gilbert
And that is because we are no longer a manufacturing economy. - Francine Hardaway
or did you actually mean like old fashioned production outside the geek gadgets and computer hardware? ;) - Nicole Simon
Want to talk to manufacturers? Let me know, I know too many :) - Tac Anderson
I know lots of people who manufacture LIES! .... (just kidding) - Brian Carter
In the US that may be because we are now a 90% service economy?! - Charlie Anzman
I used to be the IT manager for a manufacturing company. I used more trigonometry in the software I wrote than I ever dreamed I might when I left college. - Jonathan Beckett
I've worked at mfr. companies. Had much less cool business cards. ;) - Cyndy
Damn! You make me write a bio on my Twitter. LOL - LouCypher
Haha! I wish there was a disable service here on FF, so you could still link to your twitter, but not publish it to your stream. I see some people removing twitter, but it's still a good way to contact someone here until FF has messaging. - Hao Chen
sweeet! now pls make a j/k script for friendfeed :-P - Dobromir Hadzhiev
installed. Hao, great work with these scripts as always, - Alan Le
awesome. though it fails on my account as my german twitter account is listed first (nicole_de / nicolesimon ) - any ideas how to fix that? If possible I would list 'additional profile available' or so, so that one sees 'there is more than one' - Nicole Simon
Thanks for the suggestion, Nicole. I'll LYK when I post a fix. - Hao Chen
i'd be happy to be test object, though as we know most people will not have this problem. the best solution i can come up with is marking the relevant one on twitter, like when twitter >1 you parse all twitter bios and check for a certain usually unused character. THE BEST solution of course is just let friendfeed finally come up with the bio part as we see it on twitter, but well. - Nicole Simon
Updated! Added LinkedIn support, allows customization of which fields to display by editing the script and setting the variables at the top to TRUE or FALSE, and displays multiple of the same service type (ie. two twitter accounts). - Hao Chen
Hao, is there any way to modify this so that the extended profile doesn't show up when I'm on the Me page? I don't really need to see my own profile info and I've noticed that the Comments / Likes / See both links get pushed below the fold. -
