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I love it when people with 699 followers, like @MWEB1, say that no one uses FriendFeed. Totally wrong.
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There are certainly a lot of people using FriendFeed but compared to Facebook as suspect it's 'low'. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
The funny thing is that I got a reaction here first.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Hehe, proves a point? ;-0
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert : Just ignore him. I think he is new chick in a town
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Just having some fun!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
While I'm here, I liked to article about 'unproductive' email and Google Wave btw, Robert.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks. I will answer your points in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert et al, Friendfeed sucks ass because none of my friends use it. Simple as that. Personally I love ff and think that its model is worth copying by fb and others. But I realized this week when non-nerds asked me to download Ping (which surprisingly I never heard of), that it doesn't matter how good the business model is or user exp is, but adoption rate matters. FB serves a great...
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- Ben Nash
50,000 nobodies here. Have a good one!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I've got over 1000 followers on Twitter, and I use FriendFeed. A lot. Even though only 230 or so subscribe to me on FF...
- Dennis Jernberg
50,000 who? huh? I don't know any of them? My point is you can't defend low adoption rates. You can't!
- Ben Nash
Ben have you tried inviting your friends and showing them why you like it?
- Jimminy Fuller
Of course I have, but non-nerds don't get it. I have more friends than nerds. :)
- Ben Nash
FYI I'm a nerd
- Ben Nash
I have to agree with Ben. I love Friendfeed but none of my friends; even after repeatedly trying to get them interested, consistently use FF. However, that hasn't stopped me from using FF as it is still a lot more flexible, resourceful than FB and Twitter.
- Amar Shah
I had only one friend on FriendFeed before I joined (and he doesn't use it much) now I have nearly 3,000 subscribers and a whole bunch of new friends. It takes time but you can make new friends here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I've got a similar amount of followers on Twitter but I suspect a lot of them are bots and interaction with them is minute compared to FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
Different platform serves different purpose. Like FF for real time chat, facebook for friends etc. And different people like different platform. its just a matter of choice.
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
And I'm still confused about fb's purchase of ff. I sadly think that ff will go away before my non-nerd friends understand it.
- Ben Nash
oh and Scoble your belittling of someone with "only" 699 followers only shows how arrogant a nerd can become. See ya on another network someday. Hopefully I'll have enough followers to make you appreciate little old me.
- Ben Nash
Ben: it is arrogant for you two to say a service has no users when the opposite is true. You are NOT credible on this issue and if saying so is arrogant than fine.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Adoption rates! Simple as that. That's my credibility/argument. And I never said that there are no users on ff, just not my non-nerd friends. THEY ARE IMPORTANT. and I keep getting a ff server error message. huh is this the typical experience of a ff conversation? server errors
- Ben Nash
FF is only used by uber-geeks, simple as, "normobs" still vastly prefer sticking to Facebook and Twitter, most of my contacts are "real people", so FF gives me nothing extra.
- mark w webster
thanks mark
- Ben Nash
Mark: So why are you here ?
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Mark: you are wrong. Look at my 50,000 followers here. They are not all geeks.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
As I've already stated I love ff. BUT IT SUCKS that none of my non-nerd real world friends are on here
- Ben Nash
because i clicked your link, and hey presto, it brought me here :)
- mark w webster
BREAKING NEWS: Friendfeed is only used ny Robert Scoble. No one else matters.
- Ben Nash
Oh and how did I find you two? On Twitter which only has 40 million users out of seven billion people.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ben: you just called 50,000 people nobodies.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ben: and you call +me+ arrogant?!? You are something else.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Well Robert, you called 699 people nobodies first :)
- mark w webster
No I didn't liar.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I never belittled anyone
- Ben Nash
You just belittled 50,000 people!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
WOW
- Ben Nash
Wow right.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ah, my theory always proves rights, New chicks and here habit to contradict anything get attraction toward them. [BREAK NEW] Ben, It will not increase your twitter followers
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
try to remain civil Robert, you have a large following
- mark w webster
You just called them nobodies so leave civility out of this
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ah! Robert is right! :P Leave....
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
of course he is
- Ben Nash
Yes, Robert is right
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
he's infallable, bit like the pope :)
- mark w webster
I don't know why I argue with people who say untrue things and have no credibilty to boot.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
But it is more fun than changing diapers
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
+1 Robert
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
very true Robert, congrats on that personal note, and as you say, have a nice day.
- mark w webster
? does 50,000 followers = credibility
- Ben Nash
No. Not saying things that are wrong like what Mark said is how you gain credibility. Followers show up after that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ben & Robert, neither of you called anyone nobodies, Ben just offhandedly trashed us by saying FF sucks ass and we're the only ones who use it. The service was still growing when the acquisition happened, and you have to remember all services start small, FF is 1/2-1/4 the size of Twitter 2 years in but that doesn't mean it couldn't have grown out. Twitter wasn't widely accepted originally either, it was all geeks and nerds.
- Jimminy Fuller
I'm only saying I wish more friends used ff. I LOVE FF
- Ben Nash
I'd also disagree it's nerds only here, there are lots of non-tech types on FF, they make the place more interesting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome, Mark just called me an uber-geek!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
And thanks to all this kerfuffle, my twitter followership is rocketing up, cheers Robert :)
- mark w webster
Jimminy: I have gotten 10% of my followers AFTER Facebook bought FriendFeed!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Mark: that happens anytime I link to anyone. Why? Spammers.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, sure I saw the surge also, but alot of people walked away from the community as well, whether it be partially or completely. One of those people was you, I'm glad to see you defending it of course.
- Jimminy Fuller
So Robert, does that mean: more followers = credibility = more spammers ?
- Ben Nash
Twitter has a LOT of spammers. Theydont show up here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
so credibility is only achievable on ff?
- Ben Nash
I just started following Mark, I'm no spammer.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
I never walked away. I have been here every day.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ben: you have no credibilty here either.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And i'm grateful Willem, also to the rest of you who contributed here :)
- mark w webster
Why does this remind me of a 'behind the scenes' view of some Miss election?
- Irma Vermaat
Willem of course some out of 100,000 will follow if I link to someone new.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, I know you didn't walk away, I'm kind of tired been since Friday, and it's 5:30, and it came out wrong. But you aren't here as often, though I have seen you coming back more often than right after the acquisition.
- Jimminy Fuller
I dont seek, or give credibility Robert, my comment was born out of MY experience, your's is different, i'm happy to respect that.
- mark w webster
If nothing else, FF is also a decent twitter client ;)
- Alexandros Georgiadis
HAHAHAHAHA, what did i do? this is crazy, I only pointed out that I have no non-nerd friends on ff and I wish that wasn't the case. I also stated that you are arrogant for equating followers with credibility. I didn't ask for a credibility rating.
- Ben Nash
Ben: when you say there aren't users here or that I am the only one it not only is wrong but it demonstrates you just don't know what you are talking about.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ben: there is a reason I have lots of friends. I tend to be arrogantly right.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And sorry numbers of followers DOES confir credibilty when discussing usage patterns.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
WOW dude, wow. you are so arrogant. Unbelievable really. And you are not getting my very simple point? Keep digging your grave with your high and mighty jabs, you'll need a deep one for that ego.
- Ben Nash
Robert: Try linking to me @wim66 I'd like to see how many followers that would bring me and how many spammers.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
kinda shot yourself in the foot there Robert, what i write on various forums and sites i control gets read by a million members every day, if you want to play the numbers game.
- mark w webster
And to the rest of the world, please keep in mind that even Glen Beck has more that 50,000 fans. And that doesn't mean he's credible.
- Ben Nash
ROBERT = SPAM i guess
- Ben Nash
I could get a lot of followers by following a lot of people myself. Does that make me more credible?
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Mark: I don't believe your numbers. If you had them they would follow you to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Ben Nash
I think Robert is drunk at 2:37am
- Ben Nash
I wish.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Changed three diapers since this thread started.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I dont push social media anywhere i go, in the UK were a bit behind you in that respect, it's true.
- mark w webster
And what about your children's? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Mark: another thing you got wrong. UK is home to some of the best Twitter developers and biggest Twitter community. The guy who built TweetDeck is from UK.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
See this is how you earn credibility: by know what you are talking about.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Twitter's CEO told me that London has a larger usage base than SF.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I can believe that.
- Kol Tregaskes
SF population is only 800k
- Ben Nash
Ben: percentage wise too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
But hen define London. Central or Greater London?
- Kol Tregaskes
And one of Twitter's investors comes from UK too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, seriously stop the fights. Mark only said that UK was "behind" on the social media front. I think most of the world will agree on that. Your 50,000 person following, and CEO talks don't change a thing.
- Ben Nash
As for ego it takes a huge ego to tell someone else their ego is out of control so welcome to the club.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Of course your right Robert, but in all these matters were always a few steps behind you guys, well, i gotta go to Asda (Wallmart) so i'll bid you guy's goodnight :)
- mark w webster
Seeya!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, you started it with your belittling of 699 followers, good night
- Ben Nash
And I'm quite happy with my 283 followers. Very happy. 50,000 mean nothing to me.
- Ben Nash
Ben: no you are wrong again. This is really a pattern with you.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
k
- Ben Nash
Mark started this by calling 50,000 followers "miniscule." since he only has 700 that is wrong.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
k
- Ben Nash
The End. Goodnite ladies (Ben and mark)
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
My challenge to anyone who says followers don't mean anything: delete your account then.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Told ya Robert they are just new chick in a town, just craving for attention
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
You'd hope that more followers means more interaction so that can't be meaningless. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Sunny: yeah.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'm not new to ff or twitter, but increasing followers is not my goal. It doesn't have to be.
- Ben Nash
Ben: I am going to block you so you won't have another follower. Geesh.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
k
- Ben Nash
like i said, not a goal
- Ben Nash
For a guy who tries to keep the world safe from my ego you sure talk a lot.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
? huh ?
- Ben Nash
Surely any social network is as good as what you make it. If your friends are not on it you are not influential enough. I am not influential enough but that is my fault.
- Matt G
Exactly. You are good at dishing it out but bad at looking in the mirror.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Matt: you're my friend and I follow you.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Robert: Some wise man once said: "You are defined by the people you follow, not the other way around" :)
- Jemm
Robert, just go back and read my original reply. I think my points still stand. Good night everyone.
- Ben Nash
Thanks Robert. :)
- Matt G
Ben and your original reply DID NOT demonstrate an even basic understanding of why Mark was wrong. We weren't talking about your friends. Thanks for playing.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jemm: I follow you so that guy must have been right!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
:-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Robert: He usually is ;)
- Jemm
as compared to twitter...it should have been an upgrade of twitter but people love twitter for it's simplicity
- testbeta
The main point: Friendfeed is still flatlining on Compete.com, as is Feedly. Sometimes the best software out there is just too far ahead of its time for the unwashed masses to appreciate.
- Sean McBride
(Sean. feedly is actually growing fine. The reason you are not seeing that growth on compete.com is that feedly is an extension and all the pages are produced in real-time directly from the extension).
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Maybe it depends on what kind of friends you desire. Are your friends sheep who only use something after the fad hits the media? Or are they intelligent folks who prefer to communicate with other thinkers?
- Internet Strategist
Edwin -- thanks for the correction.
- Sean McBride
Live now: Windows Weekly 122 with Paul Thurrott. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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Paul is proud to be one of the top 10 blowhards on the Internet. http://www.pcworld.com/article...
- Leo Laporte
Item 1: Apple disappoints with new iPods, iTunes No major changes, iTunes is still a pig
- Leo Laporte
Calacanis is the only true blowhard by definition.
- Fleagle
Item 2: Windows 7 Secrets available on the Kindle I'm still working on a "Best of" for the Kindle, but Amazon has released the full book if you want it that way.
- Leo Laporte
Apple tried that with Motorola years ago with the ROKR and it failed miserably.
- Steve Mesik
Buy the Kindle version Paul's book right now at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Windows...
- Leo Laporte
Leo, this is link for Kindle version, we'll need one for paper edition as well :)
- notagolfer
Windows 7 Media Center gets a big change: End-user CableCARD install http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs...
- Leo Laporte
My satellite company wanted to charge me lots of $$ for a replacement remote control. I threatened to cancel and, guess what? They sent me a new one free. Then, I found out that they sell them on Ebay for six for $15.00, free shipping.
- shelter watch
Ceton has announced a cable card compatible PCI card with up to 6 tuners: http://www.geektonic.com/2009...
- Leo Laporte
Item 3: Microsoft training Best Buy employees to be anti-Linux? http://arstechnica.com/microso...
- Leo Laporte
I thought it was FUD on Macs too. But then again, who listens to a Best Buy employee anyway?
- Andrew Leyden
Win7 will work on all netbooks, it crashes on my Acer Aspire one wit the wireless card when it is under heavy network load. (Downloading TWIT from odtv.me) however linux has no issue.
- Wizetux
Item 4: Ford SYNC powered by Microsoft Microsoft's hands-free mobile device control for Ford vehicles is awesome
- Leo Laporte
Ford SYNC would be far more awesome if owning a Ford was not a requirement.
- Otto
If you have not tried the iPhone Voice Control yet on the 3GS, it's worth checking out. It's fairly amazing at recognizing names from your contact list.
- Otto
It's gotta be tricky to be talking about Apple with Alex and Andy one day, FLOSS with Jono and Randal the next, and Windows with Paul today and try to maintain any sort of sanity, let alone impartiality ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I love 'em all. Truthfully they're more alike than not. I'm not an OS bigot although I do have a preference for open source. But in the real world we often have to deal with close and proprietary.
- Leo Laporte
I just mean how to handle things like Paul referring to people running Linux on the desktop as "tools"... although I may not have heard that correctly.
- Ken Sheppardson
rofl woffl woffl rofl
- ralphsaunders
It is exclusive to Ford.
- Steve Mesik
He did, but I took it as a joke. I don't take this stuff seriously - although I will defend the other guys if need be.
- Leo Laporte
Yep. You have to. Take it as a joke, that is. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I work in Geek Squad for Best Buy and I have never had a customer request a linux based computer. When we sold linux netbooks they were returned by bustomers. My coworkers and I are big linux users and support but it not always right for novice user who what to not put effort into using their computers
- JohannaGonzalez
Just the other day I was at Office Depot as a salesperson explained to a customer that netbooks don't have hard drives, so he'd need an external USB drive. I know Best Buy is better, but I just can't imagine any sort of intelligent conversation about Linux happening at a retailer like that. [And I don't mean Geek Squad, I mean the general purpose folks on the floor...]
- Ken Sheppardson
1/3/13
- Ken Sheppardson
True the store is split into electronic enthusiast and ppl just doing their jobs
- JohannaGonzalez
Leo, thanks for your professionalism. I really appreciate the fact that you can talk objectively *and* passionately about the three main OSs. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I'd love to run a OSS OS at home but have restrictions in that I love me my XBox and the way it interacts with Windows. Having said that I use Windows at work and love some of what it does for me. Macs look great and feel great but my only personal experience was marred by dodgy hardware.
- David Sandey
Item 5: Google vs. the EU on book scanning (And the EU is taking on Sun/Oracle too)
- Leo Laporte
Tip of the week: Access PC reliability data in Windows 7 They did move it, but it's still easy to find And now there is better troubleshooting capabilities
- Leo Laporte
Software pick of the week: Windows 7 Logon Background Changer Thanks to Michael This works really well. http://www.julien-manici.com/windows...
- Leo Laporte
"Banned in America"
- Ken Sheppardson
HI FROM GEORGIA VEDIOS AND AUDIOS WORKING FINE 2 DAY
- daveccorey
ON the Sync discussion - you can control the MP3 player with voice as well when connected USB. If iPhone is connected via bluetooth, it will stop when you get out, start the player again when you start the car.
- Matt Young
I know this is totally off topic, but Leo & Paul talked about the unabridged readings of The Hobbit & LOTR (Lord of the Rings) in their audible spot. The is one of LOTR done by Recorded Books it is 56 hours long and read by Rob Inglis. I own the LOTR & Hobbit on CD and it is brutal to listen to. The narrator is terrible. I love these books and have ever sense my Dad read them to me as a kid. I think the reading of these books done by Rob Inglis destroy these books, they need to be redone.
- Jonathan Hutchins
I can't say that I'd agree. I find Rob Inglis quite fine, though I actually prefer the BBC radioplay of LOTR.
- Quasar
Those SmartBoards are really really cool. Had them at school. That is a brillaint point Alex
- Roberto Bonini
I used it on saturday. The message only arrived this afternoon.
- Roberto Bonini
nstockard: Top 25 Most Popular PodCasters on Twitter you shouldn't miss ... http://bit.ly/lWiiy - http://twitter.com/nstocka...
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Leo have you heard of Palm Pre' issues with running out of memory for apps seems we are only allowed so many apps
- Jess Newcomb
Joe Wilson - rocks !
- John Hillestad
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Apple, for Christ's sake - Sync. Over. Wifi. Do it.
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While you're at it, stop keeping a fucking hardcopy of apps. Keep a simple text log of what I've downloaded and just re-download when I want to load out my iPhone.
- CannonGod
Drag & drop music? I need that! Photos? Ditto.
- CannonGod
Finally: Stop threatening to delete EVERYTHING! This is scary & not intuitive.
- CannonGod
CannonGod, you are definetely right man. Your words representing many of us...
- YunusYAMANER(CITRIL)
I invariably don't sync because I refuse to strip and burn all my data just to add ONE SONG. Because of this I've lost important information. Speaking of which, I don't think my Notes get synced - which is where I keep a lot of random yet essential info. And I've lost this before >:( Really it's all just a ploy for me to buy a MobileMe account, and I hate being taken for a mug.
- CannonGod
I think Apple is too hung up on creating backups of backups of backups of...
- CannonGod
They caring us...:)
- YunusYAMANER(CITRIL)
This whole issue is all the more ridiculous when you understand that Home Sharing is basically what I want but for portable devices! Fingers crossed someone realises this and creates a nifty hack to fool iTunes into wirelessly sharing to my iPhone. </hint>
- CannonGod
I've been calling for wireless syncing since I rolled with an iPod Video!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Hear, hear. Wifi sync is long overdue. I'm thinking their trying to protect the Apple TV and the 4 people that use it.
- Adi
I had BT and infrared syncing on a WM phone 4-5 years ago! C'mon Apple catch up...
- Ron Thompson
OMG! I LOVE THIS THREAD. seriously fucking sick of them holding back on basic stuff. C'mon Cupertino!
- vijay
WiFi sync could be a massive drain on the iPhone battery.
- Bill Sodeman
True, but then again most devices can be charged from a plug socket. This may seem inconsequential to plugging directly into the Mac and syncing as regular, but this will become more and more essential when iTunes learns to granulate the syncing process. Right now it's just way too bloated.
- CannonGod
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Back when I had G1 Zune with Wi-Fi syncing, I never used it. I configured it just to say, hey it syncs wirelessly! Then never used it again.
- Mac64
Please. I love wireless. Come on Apple! What happened to innovation? But the i back in iPod and iPhone!
- Zachary TG
You can sync big fat media files over WiFi or have a battery that doesn't commit suicide. Pick one.
- David Chartier
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David: True enough that when you want to replace large amounts of data on your iPhone/iPod it's better to directly sync connected to the Mac, but if iTunes granulates the syncing process I can easily add a single song/photo/app without hooking up. It just makes sense to me. I think it's sad I have to use apps like AirSharing to do this instead. I have whole albums wirelessly synced this...
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- CannonGod
Apple is half way there with MobileMe...Kinda... If we can sync Contacts, Calendars, and Bookmarks over 3G, it shouldn't be hard to sync Apps over wifi.
- Joshua
TWiT Cottage - http://foursquare.com/venue...
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@ TWiT Cottage ! This Week in FUN!
- Leo Laporte
Twif is hilarious
- echostreamer
After five hours of uploading all my Microsoft Office 2010 videos are now up at: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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The last one is the good one, by the way, about the web features.
- Robert Scoble
What no video on OneNote?
- Warner Crocker
Warner: nope, sorry. I couldn't do more video, was out of memory space! :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's clear to me that I only touched the surface of what's new in the new suite.
- Robert Scoble
"...you may want to pause..." though flipping between sheets was fast.
- Joel
Do they show it using IE. I would think if its very JS heavy it will quite a bit slower.
- Luke™
@Scobleizer great videos. love the screenshot ability in office 2010.. innovation indeed. simple process, surprised no one else did it yet
- Vid Luther
Luke: who uses IE anymore? ;-) Yeah, they showed it on several different browsers, seemed to run just fine, but slow on starting up.
- Robert Scoble
I would think a lot of Office users use IE. Just a guess, I wouldn't know.
- Luke™
Luke: I was being facetious. Of course IE is still used by hundreds of millions of people worldwide. I did find it funny that they started the demo out on Firefox.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still getting to grips with Office 2007 :) And my uni has just STARTED deploying it to the student labs. Oh the irony :)
- Roberto Bonini
maybe they'll actually make IE a web browser this time. ;)
- SolidSmack
Is http://www.office2010themovie.com/ down? - Just went there to sign up as I didn't realise you could sign up there before.
- Roy Herrod
Roy: I can't get there either.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That kind of sucks then! :(
- Roy Herrod
http://www.microsoft.com/office... seems to be the official site.
- Robert Scoble
http://www.microsoft.com/office... is displaying "We are sorry, the page you requested cannot be found." atm...
- acedanger
London’s Tower Bridge is on Twitter, I’ll be on the bridge later today - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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It's amazing how many uses Twitter has.
- Robert Scoble
So you will be able to know whether it is open or closed without looking at it!
- John W Lewis
John: yup!
- Robert Scoble
the question is, which do you prefer to see - open or closed and can you time your visit right ;)
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: I'd love to see it open, but we'll just have to get lucky I guess.
- Robert Scoble
ahh, http://www.towerbridge.org.uk/TBE... tells me when it's open
- Rachel Clarke
Unfortunately, (based on http://www.towerbridge.org.uk/TBE... and your itinerary), it seems that you will miss the photo opportunity on Friday July 10 at 1600 when the bridge opens for this ship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) Oh, the idle research we get up to ... now how could we automate that kind of search?!
- John W Lewis
Don't miss the Tudors exhibitions celebrating 500 years since Henry VIII's coronation @ the London tower and Hampton court I went there last week it was wonderful .
- Nawaf Althani
If you're in London try and catch the Pop Icons sculpture and photography exhibition at the Mall Galleries Robert, 2 minutes walk from Charing Cross under Admiralty Arch - the exhibition is AMAZING (not just because some of my shots of Sade are being exhbited either!)
- jude calvert-toulmin
Parse the Tweet text to get the ship name,and do a Wikipedia search?? seems pretty simple to me.
- Roberto Bonini
TwitSnaps jumps into competitive Twitter photo sharing space - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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What the hell is wrong with the word Tweet? I'm running out of pre-printed legal letters.
- Leo Laporte
Twitpic should definitely implement this zoom feature!
- Kris
Haha, so true! @leo
- Sam Houston
Leo, ask Biz - http://blog.twitter.com/2009...
- Mike White
♥
- meg colombo
Leo is the Twit master, don't you know. How about smile at the BirdySnap instead
- Eran Even-Kesef
Or maybe use something original and more generic, like "social", or "stream", or "micro"
- Jesse Stay
I can't wait for Trademark wars to ensue and when Leo and Iain from TweetDeck all go after Twitter for infringement of *their* trademarks :-) Then what will happen to all these "Twit" and "Tweet" apps when Twitter has to change their name?
- Jesse Stay
Leo: I think a lot of these guys are going to run into trademark issues. If not with you, then Twitter itself. I'll say more in a post later today.
- Robert Scoble
we can still say "twat". right?
- Mike White
Robert, I think TweetDeck has a trademark claim as well - they were using "Tweet" before even Twitter
- Jesse Stay
@Leo, you just can't catch a break... :-(
- Joey Gibson
I'm surprised "twit" is defendable as a trademark in the context. IANAL.
- David Aronchick
Oh, now I get it: Twitter's new business model is suing developers who are using twit or tweet in their apps. Great!
- Kris
I don't want my stuff EVERYWHERE! I'm sticking with Flickr and Youtube. It seems to be working fine for me with my new iPhone.
- Hummie
Domains are getting so hard to find... We use these words to help describe our new-fangled services, we need them! ;) Using tweet/twitter/etc lets a user know instantly that it's associated with Twitter, something that I think they need to know.
- Colin
Colin, I think it's a mistake to just limit your app to Twitter - leave room to expand in the future. Just my $.02...
- Jesse Stay
I think there are advantages and disadvantages to focusing on a service, and focusing on connectivity between many services.
- Colin
i think flickr is a killer for them, but http://twitvid.com is great for videos
- Gaith
Gaith: Twitvid ripped off twitio, which is why I didn't include them in the list.
- Robert Scoble
How so Scoble?
- Colin
Colin: the founders of Twitvid.io explained to me personally how Twitvid.com ripped off their design, their idea, and is run by a venture backed group of five people. I hate it when that happens.
- Robert Scoble
Lots more on the rip off here: http://www.google.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Hmph, sucks I guess
- Colin
Colin, advantage or not, you've still got Trademark to deal with (Twitter, TweetDeck, TWiT.tv, etc. all have a responsibility to defend their trademarks, and WILL fight it in court if they're to maintain those trademarks). Not only that, but you risk Twitter themselves changing their name if they get bought by another company, or completely going under. To me naming your company after Twitter (which is what you're doing) is a HUGE risk.
- Jesse Stay
Life can be risky sometimes I guess, I accept it. I enjoy developing on Apple's iPhone, and on Twitter.
- Colin
Afternoon all, so who are we suing?
- Iain Dodsworth
Colin: it's a stupid strategy to use someone else's trademark knowingly. If you get sued the legal bills to SUCCESSFULLY defend it could put you in bankruptcy. And if you are unsuccessful it gets far worse. Pick an original name. It's not THAT hard.
- Robert Scoble
Iain: I wanna meet up next week in London. Wanna get together? (Iain is founder of TweetDeck). Love the iPhone app!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: bugger...that's some amazing timing - I was hoping to catch up with you, I'll be in SF all week. Glad you like the iPhone app, lots of room for improvement but it's only v1.0 and gives an indication what we're up to :)
- Iain Dodsworth
I don't understand how this is an issue. TWiT, Twitter, tweet, etc... Perhaps I'm missing something.
- Jason Hansen
I want my users to know that my applications are for Twitter, that's almost the first thing I want them to know when they read the title.
- Colin
Robert: also sorry to have missed you in NY the other week, things were crazy with 2 product launches
- Iain Dodsworth
Iain: grrr. When do you get here?
- Robert Scoble
try videotweet.com
- Bala Menon
from IM
Iain how long are you in New York for?
- Jesse Stay
Robert: plane lands in SF Tuesday 9pm
- Iain Dodsworth
Iain: can we meet Sunday? in London?
- Robert Scoble
Hey Jesse, I was in NY for the 140conf now back in London
- Iain Dodsworth
Robert: Sunday in London would be somewhat difficult (it's my birthday and have some things going on at home) - BUT I'll be spending the summer in the valley so we can definitely get together then (a few weeks time)
- Iain Dodsworth
Iain if you end up in the New England area (New York, Boston, etc) I'll be there for a whole month starting in a week. Would love to catch up some time.
- Jesse Stay
Iain: OK, let's get together when you're in the valley.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: good - I'll let you know when I'm there...apologies if this is cheeky - but is there a particularly good place to base myself whilst there...Menlo Park, Redwood City, Palo Alto ???
- Iain Dodsworth
Jesse: sounds good - if I get over to the east coast I'll definitely let you know, would be good to meet up
- Iain Dodsworth
Iain: Twitter is in San Francisco. Facebook is in Palo Alto. FriendFeed is in Mountain View. So, depends where you want to spend most of your time and what you can afford to rent. If funds are unlimited, I'd say San Francisco. More to do at night there.
- Robert Scoble
BTW, Facebook explicitly states in their developer terms no app is to include the name "Face" in its name. You'll be banned from their platform if you're caught. I expect Twitter eventually to do the same (although they are very slow at such moves!)
- Jesse Stay
Give them HELL Leo.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I like MobyPicture :)
- simone brunozzi
Scobleizer, welcome back to FriendFeed, and you're wrong about there being too many photo sharing services: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis... :-)
- Bruce Lewis
@LeoLaporte Didn't you start Twitter anyway? I thought TWIT and Twitter were one in the same lol
- Justin DeMerchant
Congrats to Dave Winer. He did what Opera Unite did today but he did it back in 2001 (put a web server into your desktop).
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It's a cool idea both then and now.
- Robert Scoble
Dave Winer deserves a HUGE amount of respect.A top guy!!
- Jim Connolly
Sounds interesting. Hope the security is good.
- Phillip Molly Malone
Isn't Opera Unite a bit more than just web serving?
- Harald Nesland
I thought of Dave as soon as I saw Opera's developer example (programming a blog on unite).
- Boris Gordon
Mobile phone as well, http://mymobilesite.net/
- netrider11
How is this different than OS X or NeXT? Wasn't the web developed on a desktop workstation?
- Cristo
There's a reason I follow 100,000 on Twitter and 25,000 on friendfeed: I get to see patterns no one else is seeing. Here's some:
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I saw the Chinese earthquake while it was happening. 45 minutes before CNN.
- Robert Scoble
I see that Bing is gaining steam today.
- Robert Scoble
I saw that people were frustrated on Saturday with CNN.
- Robert Scoble
The Matrix?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: in a way, yes.
- Robert Scoble
I see new software, services, ideas before most other people.
- Robert Scoble
How do you deal with the noise?
- Kevin Lim
How do you filter out all the noise? I find myself constantly unfollowing people to make Twitter more relevant.
- Michelle
I've noticed this effect in just following 40 or 50 more people on Twitter.
- Bill Kinney
And I get to see how they react to news, like Opera's new browser this morning.
- Robert Scoble
The Robert Scoble version of "Google Earth"
- Pete Blackshaw
Big Brother style
- Richard Lai
So that's like "Scoble trends" :) Like Twitter trends, but for emerging events.
- Kirill Petrovsky
Jinx.
- Michelle
Michelle: noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers.
- Robert Scoble
So effectively you start a topic on Twitter, and then use friendfeed as a chat room?
- Richard Lai
i follow almost 60,000 on twitter now and love it. totally agree scoble.
- Jason Pollock
Hoping for some improvements to Tweetdeck groups - just not enough yet
- Kirsten Hamstra
yeah but how do you SEE the patterns, you cannot read them all do you?
- Hans Mestrum
You should be talking about all the spammers on Twitter because that is the trend
- paul mooney
Robert is our filter, we follow robert who sees the patterns and reports it back.
- Ray Slakinski
Here's a hint: I don't always follow 125,000 people. In friendfeed I have lists of only 150 people. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE NOISE.
- Robert Scoble
He has a socket in the back of his head ;-)
- Richard H
Also, in friendfeed I can remove noise by displaying only items that have gotten a like. Like this: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Thank goodness we have you, Robert, to do that, so we don't have to.
- Jason Mayoff
make sense following "likes"
- Hans Mestrum
paul: spammers don't bother me. They add about as much value as people who tell me they had a jelly sandwich for lunch.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff Pulver Followers every p0rn site and spammer who Follows him, check his Following list
- paul mooney
paul: here's a little trick: I do most of my following in friendfeed. Why? Better friend management.
- Robert Scoble
I also have issues bc what I have to follow for work is very different from what I want to follow, but that is another issue.
- Michelle
Bill: actually you only need to follow a few people to get a pretty good look at the good stuff. Why? If something is good everyone talks about it.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter has gone the way of email, that's why Twitter Search doesn't work - the system is overwellemed!
- paul mooney
Michelle - same issue here! work vs. professional following and juggling multiple accts
- Kirsten Hamstra
paul: it still works for me. I just skip over the spam. My mind likes seeing spam and noise. It helps me see the news.
- Robert Scoble
For the rest of us - just friend Scoble -- you might hear about stuff delayed 5 minutes or so.
- Brian Sullivan
Where do I get one of these neat sockets in the back of my head, I get dizzy just trying to follow 2K people.
- dabitch
All the Twitter marketers are auto-Following the spammers, it's a perfect storm
- paul mooney
paul: in email I don't care about the spam either. I can always scan a page of spam and find my boss' emails for some reason.
- Robert Scoble
reminds me of roy - I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate.
- mike "glemak" dunn
Brian: that is true. My like feed at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... is pretty good.
- Robert Scoble
That's why people who don't follow others on Twitter are kinda of missing the point, aren't they? I love seeing when people are being followed by 30,000 people but following 2.
- Curt Mercadante
BTW Robert, props on following the Iran elections. Hopefully this will open our eyes to what has been happening in Egypt, Russia, Pakistan and a host of other countries for decades. If Benezir Bhutto were alive and had been elected like she would have been, we'd live in a different world.
- Michelle
so robert - could you be an android ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Robert: so in a way, if you follows all that people, we actually needs to follow only one person, which is you. here's why: it is most likely that you'll post about the major stuff that you read about in your friends stream - which make you a better filter than any other service around :) (I'm following lots of people too because I simply like to find and read about new and exciting things)
- Orli Yakuel
I totally agree with you Robert. It's like holding your hand into a jet of water and drinking from time to time.
- nik
you need to have the spirit of sharing good stuffs to others, or the good only reaches you but does not spread out.
- K.D.
I cannot get people to join FriendFeed. I even did a video showing them how great it is. I cannot seem to follow that many more on Twitter than 200 and keep up with them. I tried Tweetdeck, but it just used too much RAM for me.
- Hummie
The REAL trick here is that you have a natural gift for scanning with your eyes. I would follow many more people if I could scan (and absorb) information as quickly as you do. Since I don't, I follow you. You are among my first line of defense.
- Bettina Tizzy
All these fortune cookie Tweets are the work of spammers, sooner or later comes the link to the get-rich-quick site
- paul mooney
Robert you are awesome! ★
- weirdchina
@scobleizer I want to see the matrix also... still several K from where you are.
- Robert Freeze
Robert, do you read http://friendfeed.com/public also?
- bnoise
i follow more on ff
- junrxu
Sounds a little like Joey Osmond - Robert I see patterns Scoble? Definitely agree though - there is useful information that can be pulled from the right people's twitter/friendfeed that gives trends developing real time, as long as sea changes over longer periods
- Tom Tubbs
Hmmm, why is http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... faster than http://friendfeed.com/public ?
- Greg Byrne
holy shit robert... i just had my mind blown watching your live friendfeed. this whole time i've been trying to control the chaos... keep people organized into neat piles. wow... wowow
- Eric Nakagawa
You are so right!
- Thomas Chai
@Hummie: I had the same problem with TweetDeck. Try SeesmicDesktop, it has similar functionality but less RAM-greedy
- Ashalynd
Robert do you have a link to the video you did showing 'how' you manage all this information flow? I would enjoy watching it again.
- Matt Perry
here's another interesting search which will show all scoble's friends' items that have at least 1 like: http://friendfeed.com/search... only wish this were realtime
- Mike Chelen
Robert - cool post, excellent comments - same exact reason I embraced FF in early days and stayed here!! Love it
- Susan Beebe
Robert since I have been following you I have done a complete 180 on how I felt about social networking before. I mean the media is fast but social networking works at the speed of thought. Now if I could only figure out how to interact behind the Army & Airforce firewall... I felt lost today at work... LOL
- Nathan McClain
Matt, I think that video is this one: HOw I Read Tweets: http://www.kyte.tv/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Orli the problem with only following me is that I need to sleep once in a while and I also might not follow people you care about. For instance, if you are into celebrities and not technology I totally wouldn't be good for you to follow.
- Robert Scoble
we know what I care about and I'm glad that I'm following you! but I got the point, and I agree of course. I was just kidding I guess..
- Orli Yakuel
Great video. Watching it again now...
- Matt Perry
Yeah some wild connections are made by watching a lot more than a few friends. Wonder why most people don't "get" that? Researchers should follow a ton of people and sources.
- Jack Humphrey
Jack: actually, people should do BOTH follow a ton of people and sources as well as follow just a very select group of people. I wish I could share my groups (er, lists of friends) with you all. THEY are going to be the secret to filtering in the future.
- Robert Scoble
I'm lazy. I use your feed as my pre-filtered source of good/interesting general information. Thanks for doing a lot of the hard work for us (or at least me).
- John Meagher
Robert I think you are 100% correct, but it touches on what people should have already been doing, and that's getting as much information as they can from as many sources as they can and putting the facts together for themselves. I think traditional media's days of fact-less reporting are thankfully numbered. This is truly Fair and Balanced!!!
- Nathan McClain
Robert: People still won't get it. Seeing patterns is a talent or a skill. You can aid it, however, by showing or demonstrating how you filter for patterns. How do you scan messages and discern a pattern? How do you focus on a few without missing the patterns of the many? Might make a good presentation/blog. You probably already did it, right?
- Alan Eggleston
I don't think it requires following 125,000 people to be aware of the same trends.
- stretta
stretta: it does not, but I get to see small things that many people don't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - and I appreciate those "small things" :) --- they look like startups! and new bright shiny tech toys!
- Susan Beebe
imagine an AI system that can analyze all that data for you and generate illuminating reports...
- Matt Jaunich
Matt: I can and lots of geeks are working on building just that.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the post. I immediately added the "like" search to my saved searches.
- Sean Powell
I follow 60,000 and I see a white light at the end of a tunnel. It's getting closer...
- Rick
You must do this by o s m o s i s....no other way? Intuition and speeed reading.
- Ziona Etzion
Yeah. Robert, I don't read your stuff and I don't know if you're going to read this. But regardless, I know you're well famed and this is the first thing I skimmed across of yours that would indicate that it's deserved. I follow options in the same way., eg almost literally. I have TD StrategyDesk open right now, ThinkOrSwim, Power E*Trade Pro, OptionsXPress, and the regular TD Ameritrade website open as well. Doing this allows me to view and be ware of data and turning points in many views and levels
- Matt Kaufman
Robert: If you could follow all 100,000+ people from Twitter in real time within friendfeed would you?
- Garin Kilpatrick
Twitter is a helpful automatized hammer for the main engine, which is friendfeed ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I don't see why you couldn't just save a search on everybody's posts with likes on FF though and still follow only those you actually read daily + any protected accts? Even build smarter searches than that. You increase the number of people following you by lots more your way of course.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
Sorry. The trend watching and analytical part would be the same, wouldn´t it, except that I now see that the saved searches don´t update in realtime. Yet.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
No doubt...
- Thor
Nice post :-) Two questions though:
- Patrick Mackaaij
1. What sets apart the 100,000 people you "follow" to glance at once in a while from the everyone feed?
- Patrick Mackaaij
2. (a Friendfeed question): Do you still read this since I posted this comment a few hours after the initial conversation.
- Patrick Mackaaij
How did you find so many people to follow? How does an average user find so many to follow?
- Bas
Patrick: I was on stage and couldn't be on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Patrick: the people I follow are usually much more tech interested and demonstrate early adopted behavior than the larger public audience.
- Robert Scoble
Never mind all this. How's Opera? Got a link this morning and thought I might try it (what a surprise, me trying something).
- Francine Hardaway
This is how I tell other people about Robert: http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009... and it's how I'm slowly patterning web learning (when I have time to interact and learn)
- Mark Essel
Scoble Earth(TM), Pete Blackshaw? ;)
- Tyson Key
Robert: Is this a Mandelbrot pattern? The chaos has a look, a feel and a taste, as in the jet of water analogy. You're the freakin' hydrologist with the dousing rod.
- Phil Boiarski
Robert: I was not expecting a real time response but was wondering how you keep track of all conversations you engaged with on FF. How can you see where comments are added?
- Patrick Mackaaij
I'm with Robert, just not with such a big of a scale. My point: I am noise and you are noise. Let's not forget there's a baby in that bathwater before one takes a blanket anti social network view of social networking!
- Mike Lewis
Robert, you are a living, breathing supernode, and I thank you for it :-) (Supernodes: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-95...)
- Andy Bold
makes sense 2 me
- Ron Hagenhoff
OMG Robert I agree 100% BEFORE Twitter screwed with the @replies censoring us from seeing all that people tweeted... I could scroll through my home page and get the pulse of the world on Twitter! A beautiful site! Comparatively now: Twitter is silent.
- Arleen Anderson
Robert, I'm having a jelly sandwich for lunch tomorrow. ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
All major television networks/news outlets should hire Scoble and heed this advice based on this weekends events in Iran. They need to learn how to listen, filter and understand how social media can deliver real-time information around the world.
- E-Advocate Network
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- yazarcizer
What tools are you using to keep track of the all that flows past?
- Inbox2 Team
Yeah, Robert is an Androïd! Each time I'm gotta 'like' 1 of his entries, comment, or visit links, I ask myself if I'm doing this because he is Scoble! Of course not: it's just because he's always pointing on valuable infos. And this is good for IT stuffs, for early adopters, for business.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
So, Scoble proves that the best search & filter engine is Human. (Nah.. I'm not a 'groupie', never will ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Curt, pple who don't follow others and hope to be followed & heard are obviously wrong. Social Media is not "Ego Media" ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Patrick, IMO Robert uses FriendFeed's search to find infos, & FF's email features to keep track of conversations & updates
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
or maybe you also miss some important ones because of the noise: like the patterns known by 99% of the users that have less than 1000 followers? does that make sense?
- Ouriel Ohayon
isn't that a little too much? do you even have time for anything else? Is it worth knowing about an earthquake some 30-40 minutes earlier than most people than spending some time with your real life friends?
- stefan
Stefan, the point is: if you want to spend as much time as possible with your real life friends, you have to be as efficient as possible during the time you spend in front of the computer. The more information you drink in a short time, the faster you can identify patterns.
- Brome
Best answer I've heard for why I'm also ok with following and listening to a ton of people on various platforms: "noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers. - Robert Scoble"
- Leslie Poston
Wow, that's a clever use of the platforms!
- gareth【ツ】
We need information so we can decide while staying in touch with reality. -> Filtering skills, Good Human filter, Good filter tool (FriendFeed).
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
Thierry: thanks I was looking for that indeed! Have changed my settings to see how e-mail works out there but I thought maybe there would be an easier way...
- Patrick Mackaaij
hey it was great to finally personally meeting you and hung out at the diner ; my weblog about the evening now at http://ff.im/45HR3 plus infos about WE LIVE IN PUBLIC premiering now in L.A. and my new video "PERU" @ http://www.youtube.com/watch... ; all the best for the conference today and building43 ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Another FF question: I was under the assumption FF would merge duplicate imports so that conversations like these would remain in one place. If I do a search on a tending topic of today this does not seem to be the case: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Patrick Mackaaij
Patrick, the imports may be duplicate URLs or pictures or whatever, but the conversation around them could be different. I see this as a good thing, and it show me two things. (1) it is an intersection of the different groups and types of people that I subscribe to. (2) it can be different nationalities in different timezones. Ie, of a more global interest. Bothe are good pieces of data for me.
- Andy Bold
from email
@Brom, yes. but there is only so much information one can absorb at a time. 100.000 twitters and 25 FFs? Even half of it is too much for a normal person to take in that fast. Robert MUST be a robot O_O
- stefan
@Andy: I'd rather not see any duplicate URL's and have the conversation take place in one thread. Google Translate can solve the language problem. But my question at the moment was what the current status is. I see it's already discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/susanbe...
- Patrick Mackaaij
how do I follow thousands of people without clicking follow over and over
- Kyle Weller
Kyle: Use friendfeed and click "subscribe"
- Garin Kilpatrick
Kyle: its still required to click subscribe for each user, but those clicks are well spent, and FF also will show posts from friends-of-friends. another good option is to join some groups for subjects that interest you
- Mike Chelen
3.0 is downloading now!
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Joy :)
- Ola
Working on installing mine now... The progress bar is nearly finished!
- aminorjourney
been on it for weeks and I gota say I like it, but the wait now continues until we have app developers updating their apps and getting push working!
- Kyle Saric
ooo shiny
- ralphsaunders
Yay! I'm on 3.0! Go iPhone!
- aminorjourney
I'm kind of disappointed they really haven't changed anything since beta 5. I thought they'd have a hidden feature or two.
- Dan Hendricks
Don;t get too excited Leo. It may get paused just like your 3Gs shipment. All the bits will be stalled in KY. :-)
- Jim Oxenford
mine is installing goodbye 2.2.1
- Michael Zamora
I still get the "2.2.1 is the current version".
- Sean Ryder
Update finished installing for me. Now iTunes is just backing up my iPhone.
- Troy Ryder
downloaded 3.0 for the touch, and it works great! nice to have landscape and copy and paste functionality
- Jon mclaughlin
Sean, unplug your phone, relaunch iTunes. I hear that works for some
- Dekz
Yeah, now where is an update from BeejiveIM and IM+ for push?
- Kevin Whalen
Productivity across the world just took a dive :-)
- Bryan Lyle
Kevin: their app store app was submitted for updates but it's still not in the store. I love BeeJiveIM too, and it's ran pretty weird on all the 3.0 betas.
- Dan Hendricks
Now I just need to figure out a way to get out of my Verizon contract so I can port over to At&T with a 3GS
- Jon mclaughlin
I'll be downloading my update for my iPod tonight at 5:30PM Eastern time. I'm counting the minutes!
- Mike Lewis
Have fun everyone. 3.0 is a blast. Been playing with the GM Seed for devs a couple of days now. Very nice upgrade!
- Jeremy Heslop
So are there ANY Push IM clients yet?
- Dekz
Thanks for the info Dan!
- Kevin Whalen
from email
The GM seed and the now downloadable version has the same build number: 7A341
- David Jack Wange Olrik
Downloading mine too. Had to upgrade iTunes to 8.2 first ... annoying 'Updating Library' function taking a half hour before I can proceed to the 3.0 install.
- Dale Dietrich
I love the new Text app
- AharonD
Leo, have you seen AT&T has revised it's upgrade requirements. 3G owners who are up before the end of Sept can get standard prices. http://friendfeed.com/chilima...
- ChiliMac
Does anyone know if the 3GS will have capability of Blackberry Redirect? Can't afford to lose my work email but want to get an iPhone
- Jon mclaughlin
Me too!
- Matthew Elledge
from IM
Did you have the beta?
- Robert D. Fraser
Me too! WAIT. I use a Blackberry.
- AJ Batac
What's the file size?
- Michael Halstead
I walked away when i got back my phone was done
- AharonD
Finally downloading. What does it say to be so excited for a software upgrade?
- Sean Ryder
I've got mine downloaded now, just got to SSH into my iPhone before updating to backup.
- Nigel Kitchen
i take it it would be a bad time to call someone with an iphone right about now. lol. hey leo! ring ring. heh
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
jailbroken versions will be out by friday: http://9to5mac.com/ultrasn...
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Michael -- 230.1MB
- Jay Cuthrell
Going to to mine now. I can't wait. But it costs me 9.99 for the iPod Touch.
- Zachary TG
Thanks Jay C.!
- Michael Halstead
Anyone know if you can share the update file with another computer? Both me and the wife have iPhones and it seems silly for us both to download it?
- Jason Roseweir
4:27am here. 3rd attempt at downloading. keep getting an "unknown error" halfway through downloading. If it doesn't work this time, I'll take the laptop into work and try from there in a couple of hours.
- Ben Short
Installed! Copy & Paste, here I come!
- Matthew Elledge
from IM
So, if you have music playing and are editing, what does shaking the iPhone do? Does it undo the last track change? :-P
- David Wright
from twhirl
Update installed, but now getting a Unknown error when it tries to activate it. :-(
- Jason Roseweir
Got mine, too. Works a treat. I really like the way they implemented copy & paste.
- Joey Gibson
Got it installed already, works very well so far!
- Tyson Williams
Some cool podcast navigation features added: http://tinyurl.com/mrlxme
- Stephen Daniels
...In "activation server is temporarily unavailable" hell. Apple is making an AT&T of themselves.
- Jean Sebastien Dussault
One 32GB iPhone 3GS is on its way from Shenzhen China. Scheduled to arrive Thursday!
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Yay! ;)
- Peter Kruit
Nice. I have to wait until July 12 :(
- Jim Graham
Congrats!
- Terje Mikal Espedal
Enjoy, Leo!
- Sarah-Jane Gray
a day early? Awesome for you!
- Jim Oxenford
Nice. You'll have to give us a good review.
- Tom Silk
You are a sucker for incremental apple upgrades Leo but I love you all the same :)
- David Lloyd
Drat! I ordered on the 9th and still no shipment :( Look forward to some first impressions :)
- Richard Goodwin
from twhirl
Jealous. Screw you leo!
- ihateatmfees
Unfortunately I won't be able to get one until December. grr
- Tony Buser
GIve us a good hands on review. Debating if I should upgrade as I hit one year with 3G on 7/12
- Alan Ashley
iPhone 3G S[orry its not a Palm Pre] - Palm Pre shootout? :)
- jcunwired
Congrats!!! I want one so bad but I don't want to leave T-Mobile.
- Eduardo Contreras
Jealous!
- Duncan Rawlinson
@jcunwired: I played with a Pre. It's nice. iPhone will kick it's ass. Frankly, so will the new BB's which is what Palm seems to be targeting.
- Adam C.
When did you place your 3G S order? I put mine in to Apple on June 10th, and it's not showing as shipped yet; trying to judge how fast they're processing...
- Paul Skudlarek
Mine was scheduled to arrive on Wednesday. Checked again this morning and it changed to Thursday.. Let's see if it changes again to Friday.
- Rick Huizinga
iPhone will undoubtedly kick its ass, at some point in the future. The delta is too small between Pre and 3G S to warrant an ass-whooping.
- jcunwired
I can't wait!!!
- Jerry Lee
Lucky you, we can't preorder in Canada :(
- Ray Slakinski
Uh, not sure displaying your tracking number is a good idea. That's about all it takes when requesting a package redirection - and that's pretty tempting!
- Anil Rhemtulla
Mine says it will arrive on the 17th, which is tomorrow. I don't know how, since it hasn't left china yet
- Nate T
I'm scheduled for delivery on the 18th... order placed June 8th. God... sounds like a baby... Cheers
- Ross W. Prout
Ordered mine on the 8th and no shipping notice yet. :-\ As for iPhone vs Pre, it'll take awhile to fully see how the apps change the Pre since that's the iPhone's key right now for me.
- Ken Chan
When can we stop calling these phones?
- David J Lowe
I'm taking a chance and heading to the Birmingham Apple Store Friday morning to get mine. Hope they have enough.
- Dom Barnes
Me too. Mine says the 17th!
- Wo
kewl
- emoqix
Gonna pick up my pre-ordered one at the "T-Punkt" T-Mobile store here in Germany on Friday. Picked the same You did, unless You chose the white one, that is. Personally I especially can't wait for the tomtom car navigation set with exta speaker and GPS enhancer to finally come out - it's gonna be so awesome!
- weckman
I got that message too! Woo hooo!! sooo excited, where's that UPS brown truck baby?!! party at the front door!!
- Susan Beebe
P.S.: Don't You love world-wide rollouts? So much more fun when we all get it the same day!
- weckman
That's so cool
- ramiles
from Alert Thingy
I ordered it from Apple around noon Pacific on June 9.
- Leo Laporte
Mine, too.
- Jim Cutler
Ordered mine same time on the 9th, but no ship yet. Is this another famous Leo Laporte "free and early access to garner a good review"? Screw you Leo! :)
- Richard Goodwin
Is
- ramiles
from Alert Thingy
Very interested on your reports about the speed increase and if it makes a difference. I may get one in December when my contract is up for this old Moto Q.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That's awesome Leo. My 3G will have to suffice though. Still looking forward to 3.0
- Joel Crawley
Anyone know how leo dealt w/ the AT&T contract/costs??? Just curious. I know he can afford to spend the extra for the phone, so that's not the question.
- mark dekruyter
congrats, Leo!
- Matthew Vaughan
How much did it cost?
- Henrik Falk
See if it still has that date Leo. Mine disappeared.
- Wo
My delivery date has just disappeared! It's beginning to look like UPS may hold the delivery until Friday.
- Rick Huizinga
Wow, no 3G S for me only OS 3.0 update..waiting for the download
- Gerard Marbeck
I'm really not understanding the i-phone thing. Frankly, I think the phone sucks. I hate the keyboard touch, I can't imagine a woman in this country with a decent manicure wanting to deal with that crappy screen! I have service at home with Verizon in the countryside where we live, my husband's crappy I-Phone drops out about ten miles from the house and not only that, the piece of crap is constantly dropping phone calls. Is the bay area better?
- Jennifer Ragde
Boys like their toys, Jennifer.
- Jeff
I love toys as well, I'm just not getting the I-phone thing, I have a DS, PSP, I'm a seriously geek game girl, just not getting that horrible phone. I can't be the only girl that thinks that touch screen is completely awful! The touch screen is so sensitive, if you have fingernails, good luck!
- Jennifer Ragde
Clearly it's a counterfeit!
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
UPS is holding delivery on the iPhone 3GS until Friday: http://tinyurl.com/n8gr8o
- Joshua Blevins
I envy you Leo!
- Rahul Mirakhur
did u get it leo? details please! lol
- Arnold
TweetDeck for iPhone. - http://mashable.com/2009...
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"TweetDeck, the leading desktop app for Twitter, is set to launch its iPhone version tonight at 9pm Pacific Time, the company has informed Mashable. The app will be available for free, and has already been submitted to the App Store, the company informed us. While the announcement will take place at midnight ET (9pm PT), the availability of the app is dependent on how long it takes Apple to approve it."
- Andrew Trinh
from Bookmarklet
Twitter Is Down: 15 Alternative Things To Do - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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required reading once again
- MG Siegler
from Bookmarklet
LOL
- Roberto Bonini
I'm surprised no one has created a site yet that tracks Twitter outages and builds community around that. :-)
- Jesse Stay
It's a TweetDownTwitastrophe! Everyone hold your tweets!
- joebrooks
It's called Friendfeed, Jesse. :)
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
"When Twitter is down, it's even harder to explain to people" :D
- Jérôme Flipo
17. Hang out with your cats in an awkward social silence wishing you could share the moment with your followers
- Jay Cuthrell
from BuddyFeed
Adam, awesome, but they could totally do better - I want graphs with dates of when Twitter is down, places to discuss, things to do when it's down, etc.
- Jesse Stay
Actually Jessey, that site doesn't work anymore. http://istwitterdown.com takes you to an index of files. yes is one of them. I agree that a site dedicated to that would be fantastic!
- Adam Jackson
So much for that whole "support the situation in Iran" thing! Too bad FriendFeed is blocked by the sekrit polees as well!
- Stephen Foskett
a tip we just got: "You're TechCrunch. You probably already know. But just in case, Twitter is down right now. For the record, I'm just completing Step 7 of MG's 15 things to do while Twitter is down list."
- MG Siegler
wonder if twitter's down because iran is attacking?
- bbebop
No, Iran is attacking its people because twitter is down.
- jcunwired
Nope, a North Korean missile just hit Twitter HQ.
- Gabe Rivera
not sure if twitter is doing the scheduled maintenance right now...but, when you get sensational headlines like this http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009... , you're pretty much gonna go down with the ensuing traffic spike.
- mike
@bbebop - I was thinking the same thing. LOL. Just take out the data center air conditioners and the whole thing cascades into Fail Whale.
- Rob Sterling
I shaved and do look fantastic now. Kind of. :-)
- Zalt Woo
Does anyone else think that Twitter will go down unintentionally soon after it is back up due to all the pent-up and back-logged tweets? Let's hope it does not, but I get a feeling from reading all the posts, comments both here on FF and elsewhere, that in couple of hours after it is back up, we will see a fail-whale.
- Dilip Dand
School Sign Fail - http://failblog.org/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/failpic...)
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do they not have spellcheck?
- Nigel Kitchen
Not much of a difference, apparently.
- Mike Abundo
"less than 24 hours later I am receiving over 2,000 simultaneous connections per second from Iran." > http://blog.austinheap.com/ < #IranElection
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Will AT&T Cause iPhone 3G S Shortages On June 19? - The Channel Wire - IT Channel News And Views by CRN and VARBusiness - http://www.crn.com/mobile...
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Customers who didn't order the new Apple iPhone 3G S by June 15 may end up having to wait up to an additional two weeks before the hardware is delivered, according to Boy Genius Report. The delay is being caused by the predictably high demand for the new iPhone and AT&T's desire to have product in stores. A source told Boy Genius Report that AT&T is routing most of the available iPhone 3G S stock to stores in order to fulfill the demand of customers waiting in line.
- Leo Laporte
This is the same trick as last year and the year before. Shortness creates demand.
- Peter Kruit
Apple is still taking pre-orders just fine. I think AT&T simply had a limited supply, perhaps as punishment for some of the stunts that some stores pulled in the past. A few of them were bundling iPhones with accessories, forcing customers to pay upwards of $125 extra for stuff they didn't want.
- David Chartier
I have a hard time beliving that after all the ranting i have heard throu podcast about AT&T that they are in any position to be jerking around?
- Björn Fritz
from Nambu
Considering that no one but AT&T and Apple know exactly when the iPhone exclusivity ends, AT&T may very well be in the position to jerk people around regardless of how much public contempt it's managed to build.
- David Chartier
Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple.
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Just getting ready for the morning!
- Robert Scoble
Ha! Yup, time for a new iPhone... again!
- Fred Davis
They are already waiting in line, after all!
- Robert Scoble
I'm ready!
- Peter Kruit
Banana
- Dean Clark
Ready for the new iPhone, ready to make the switch finally
- James Armfield
Exciteddd #apple!
- chris andrew
mosdef, apple!
- Jeremy Abbett
Funny, since I learned of you from Channel9.
- Peter Warnock
Dean: actually, Apricot. After all, they built their headquarters on one of my favorite Apricot orchards.
- Robert Scoble
My 2G self is ready for an upgrade!
- AllisonWagda
it has begun!
- Tyler Gillies
Please let there be a release of iPhone OS 3.0 and Snow Leopard =D!
- Guru Panguji
Can't wait til the evening
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Heheh. Or is that "Bing. Bing. Bing. Bing."
- Robert Scoble
juice?
- Adam Johnson
Apple + Microsoft
- سیدیونس
got ya
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
can anyone confirm frontal camera?
- Tyler Gillies
God.....what's this...
- freebat
Guru, there's reportedly a Snow Leopard banner hanging in Moscone in plain view...which likely wouldn't be there unless there was *some* update :)
- AllisonWagda
Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like :)
- Fatih Taşkıran
Sun. Sun. Sun. .. oh heck!
- John W Lewis
it's finally that time of the year! wooot! :D
- vijay
Judging by the looks of it, you're more than ready for tomorrow! Enjoy the conference, Rob!
- Thomas Ward
Hmmm, it's true. All you have to do is say "Apple" and tons of people will like and comment. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting (and not sleeping very well).
- g3houdini
Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee,
- Nir Ben Yona
When you get your new iPhones, check out @iStoryTime a library of narrated kids books for the iPhone http://cli.gs/4a3SYs
- Graham Farrar
Thanks for the reminder. I promised my daughter I'd cut apple slices for her school lunch tomorrow.
- Brett Nordquist
i promised myself id get a new iphone
- Tyler Gillies
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
- Jean-Marie Gall
Just give me a stable iPhone OS 3.0. No need for new hardware bells and whistles ...
- Clarence Chiang
THERE IS A NEED!
- Tyler Gillies
If it was Banana Computers we'd just get more phallic jokes.
- Dean Clark
Will they announce the new Iphone tomorrow? I'm ready to make the switch. I'm just hesitant about AT&T, like when Robert called in on the Gilmor Gang take 2 from his car the quality sounded terrible.
- Stephen Pickering
LOL~!!! Awesome scoble.
- Adam Jackson
I BET it will be called iPhone Video. Expecting so much [new] video functions, so that it will be BASED on video. We'll see
- Konstantin
will this start a new meme?
- Dickson Loh
Dickson: it's a meme I've been on since 1977 when my dad brought home an Apple II and Hyde Jr. High let me help unbox its first Apple II.
- Robert Scoble
Occasionally I use my iPhone to make phone calls.
- Brett Nordquist
Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers
- Khaled A
The only thing about the camera in the front is how do you see what you are taking a photo of?
- Stephen Pickering
Brett, what is the call quality like? I've been on CDMA my whole cell phone life, well except for the analog years
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, it's for video chat
- Konstantin
Ah, so there's a lens in the back too? Duh... I know
- Stephen Pickering
All this for a new camera?
- Nikolaj Stenberg
No there's a faster processor
- Stephen Pickering
600mhz I think
- Stephen Pickering
all this for a major conference
- Tyler Gillies
Tyler: you're right, 50 "Apples" is too many. I should have only put 43 here. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if they will make a Touch with ear and mouthpiece so that with a MiFi card you could have an Iphone on the Verizon or Sprint network
- Stephen Pickering
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- Q B
GTFO 4chan fag :)
- Tyler Gillies
Stephen: The quality seems OK. I was with Sprint and Verizon the past 8 years. I like the iPhone for the apps and it's like having a mini-computer with me at all times. The few calls I make sound OK but not wonderful.
- Brett Nordquist
Is Friendfeed where you guys hang out when Twitter is slow? More action here tonigh!
- Brett Nordquist
+1 patrick, yeah ive had to clear all authorized computers more than once because of that
- Tyler Gillies
brett -- when isn't twitter slow? ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Thanks Brett, that's what I thought. Btw Twitter is ALWAYS slow, always has been even when there was no one on it
- Stephen Pickering
Brett: what's Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
robert: LOL
- Tyler Gillies
bummer, bummer, bummer, bummer... I wish I could live in the U.S sometimes...
- Orli Yakuel
Good point about Twitter being slow. Sure does seem that way the past while.
- Brett Nordquist
Orli: going to an Apple press conference is over rated. I live 45 minutes away and I'm not tempted.
- Robert Scoble
Today is a good day. I can't wait.
- Jim Williams
I bought two iPhones in March so I won't be upgrading for a while. I got my spouse one wondering if she'd use it. And now there's no way I could pry it out of her hands. She's taken to it like I would have never imagined. She's into the simple games, but she LOVES it.
- Brett Nordquist
one way I am hoping a great, revolutionary new iphone, so that I can admire it. OTOH I am hoping my iphone 3g is not obsolete tomorrow...
- Alpay Erturkmen
By the way, both Mike Arrington and my iPhones have tons of cracks on the screen in a very similar pattern. I wonder what that means?
- Robert Scoble
damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too costly. damn too...
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- Yuvi
Yuvi: Apple's always been that way yet I keep going to the Apple store and handing over my cash.
- Robert Scoble
نرین وسط تکست فیدما عنتر
- hasrat
The service is what is too costly
- Stephen Pickering
actually i heard a cheap iphone rumor
- Tyler Gillies
For a student living in a second-third world country? Hell yea! :)
- Yuvi
Well Apple has always been kind of US centric
- Stephen Pickering
Not just Apple - Not a single retailer ships to India :( Amazon, Newegg, nobody :
- Yuvi
I wonder if that's a Government regulation thing?
- Stephen Pickering
FriendFeed ships to India!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, it is. But when Cafepress can ship, why can't Amazon!
- Yuvi
Electrons always get free shipping :D
- Yuvi
i pay for my electron shipment
- Tyler Gillies
I had this problem when I ran a internet retailer out of my house. I'd get orders from England and such but the tarriff would be as much or more than the order
- Stephen Pickering
Also, an iPhone even with a contract is INR 32,000 - which is around 700$. That sucks.
- Yuvi
In India they don't do subsidies?
- Stephen Pickering
32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone, 32GB iPhone!
- Louis Trapani
Stephen: NO. I'd gladly fork over 200$, even 300$ for an iPhone, even with a contract! BUT NO SIR, YOU ARE NOT GETTING ONE! iPhones are for the RIIIICCH!
- Yuvi
Yeah but you know how much our monthly service is here? $120 per month
- Stephen Pickering
Tomorrow is gonna be amazing...just wait and see. I've already said too much ;)
- Andru Edwards
120 i would blow on non iphone junk
- Tyler Gillies
Andru: you suck. Now send me a DM about what's coming in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
In Russia they pay about $12 per month for cell phone service and yet one of the companies I'm invested in Vimpel makes as good or better margins than US carriers. How is that?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: So basically you're getting ripped off by the Telcos, while we're getting ripped off by Apple :) I spend about 6$ a month, for about 30 hours of talktime and 750 free outgoing messages a day :)
- Yuvi
12 USD?
- Tyler Gillies
Yeah, that's my point, and yet I bet the carriers in India make the same amount of money as ours
- Stephen Pickering
Just seen a post by Leo Laporte, went something like; Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre,Pre, Pre - - - - - - Just kidding, we all love Leo!! :)
- Jim Connolly
Tyler, actually more like $8 USD, and as Yuvi just said in India he only pays 6 USD!
- Stephen Pickering
tech news-- the post i saw had more cuss words in it ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Why is service in the US so much more expensive, the real estate for towers?
- Stephen Pickering
stephen -- because they know we'll pay
- Tyler Gillies
And I'm kinda 'higher end' :P A few of my friends spend about 1-2$ a month, and still get those free texts :)
- Yuvi
Yuvi, I'm gonna cry
- Stephen Pickering
i actually didn't think 120 a month was very high heh. now im shocked
- Tyler Gillies
Cell phone service used to be very costly - around 20 bucks a minute (that'd be 50 cents) when it first came on in - ten years ago. Then Reliance happened, everyone got a mobile :)
- Yuvi
I only found this out when I invested in a Russian carrier
- Stephen Pickering
If I could avoid iTunes (which I despise), and were I able to afford multiple mobile contracts, I might consider an iPhone. But damn, I just want the thing to show up as mass storage. And I want a file browser.
- Christopher A Carr
Now, for 3$ a month, I can call other Vodafone numbers for 10paise (that'd be, 0.20 cents NOT 20 cents), and other numbers for 49paise (that's around 1 cent). Not bad at all :)
- Yuvi
Let's hope for the release of Snow Leopard and Apple OS 3.0!
- Peter Kruit
So, how much do americans pay for mobile service?
- Yuvi
How much is 1 rupee worth. I just watched Slumdog
- Stephen Pickering
Yuvi: this is why Android is so interesting. I think long term that Android is going to be how most people get a cell phone with the power of an iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL. GPL.
- A.T.
Yuvi, my bill is over 100 bucks a month
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: The ballpark rate is around 50 rupees for one usd.
- Yuvi
I agree, Robert. It won't be long before Android matches the polish of iPhone's OS and WebOS
- Christopher A Carr
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!
- Larry Hudson
OK, so he was still a USD millionaire
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: And how much do you use it? I mean, how much do you talk?
- Yuvi
reliance?
- Tyler Gillies
@Scoble: You know when Android would reach critical mass? When the cheap knockoff Chinese mobile makers embrace it.
- Yuvi
All the time because its my only phone. But my plan only allows 900 minutes, but you get free weekends and after work hours. I think I average 1000 minutes a month
- Stephen Pickering
Yuvi: I hear there are 12 Android phones shipping this year. It's only a matter of time.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure the BigInJapan folks would appreciate a camera that will work for their barcode app.
- Christopher A Carr
hope the new iphone has a macro lens
- Tyler Gillies
Yuvi: They already are.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: did you see the Android phones that were handed out at Google's I/O conference? They are very nice. I think they passed Nokia and Microsoft with that effort and have Palm and Apple in sight.
- Robert Scoble
The "magic," yes, I did. It's a much more attractive handset than the G1, which is what Android needs at this point.
- Christopher A Carr
I wonder what Bono will do to McNamee if the Palm thing doesn't work out
- Stephen Pickering
Christopher: I'm not sure! A Chinese phone with a very big screen sells for around 90-100$. The only reason they're not as popular as Sony Ericsson and Nokia is the shitty software on them. If they have Android, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. So would millions of people here.
- Yuvi
Yuvi: since Android is open source and free to put on phones I expect the Chinese will catch on within months. Especially since Android is getting better and better and selling better and better too.
- Robert Scoble
Yuvi: Lenovo has an Android-running handset, for the Chinese market, coming out soon. Not sure it's all that cheap, though...
- Christopher A Carr
I hope so Scoble, I hope so.
- Yuvi
Scoble,Yuvi: Chinese sets which come to India are without IMEI number which means, they are ILLEGAL
- Manish Sinha
Not Lenovo. Nameless factories that churn out mobiles, Christopher. Some have pirated copies of WiMo, and most have some shitty homemade OS.
- Yuvi
@Manish: A friend of mine just bought one two weeks ago. My uncle uses one. Pop on any train, and you'll find a lot of people using these. I'm not too sure about illegality - I think they might've now gotten IMEI numbers.
- Yuvi
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- Alp
Yuvi: As Robert said, it's a free mobile OS. China doesn't lack for Linux hackers...I'm sure Android-running cheapies will be common in the near future.
- Christopher A Carr
Also, do cheap Chinese knockoffs appear in the US much?
- Yuvi
Yuvi: not really.
- Robert Scoble
Not particularly.
- Christopher A Carr
Yuvi: Some of my friends too use it. Indian Govt has asked all Telecom Operator to block mobiles without IMEI number but the telecos are reluctant. I large number of people still do use phones without IMEI number, so telecos will lose a lot of customers.
- Manish Sinha
What's an IMEI number?
- Stephen Pickering
<Insert Customary Link to Wikipedia>
- Yuvi
I would like a really high-spec Android-running device. Something with a higher res screen, real camera, etc...talking higher-end hardware than, say, and iPhone.
- Christopher A Carr
Also, an iPhone or Pre would be *very* vulnerable to theft. Some jackass stole my SE phone a week ago, an iPhone or Pre would be much more valuble targets!
- Yuvi
If someone steals my G1, and is stupid enough not to turn it off, I can track it.
- Christopher A Carr
yuvi -- my iphone never leaves my body and i wear pants with deep pockets on purpose ;)
- Tyler Gillies
So Robert, will you be going down to the Apple store this time in case something is released?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: nope. Although I have my Prius all ready. Heh.
- Robert Scoble
i want safari4linux from Apple. Please, Robert say them "the penguin wants apple very much!"
- Hüseyin Mert
Mert: Fat chance :) They won't even release a non-sucky passable iTunes for Windows...
- Yuvi
Huseyin: You want a Linux version of Safari? Why, when Chrome is in the works?
- Christopher A Carr
Robert, same here - I think I'll just be ready to dart if it looks like something's going to sell worth getting. It sure would be nice if the Apple stores could have custom feeds straight from Apple during the Keynotes. I think they'd get a lot more business around that time if they did.
- Jesse Stay
An interesting thing about Safari4 beta for Windows is that it looks Windows-native -- wonder if that's in the works for iTunes for Windows at some point...
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: have you tried official release or chromium. Both sucks. So, why apple ignore linux? this would be the question.
- Hüseyin Mert
Same reason almost every other corp. in the world ignores Linux (on the desktop)
- Yuvi
They are in development stages and are not nearly ready to be primary browsers. Chrome for Windows is much better than Safari 4 for Windows.
- Christopher A Carr
linux on the desktop is just lame. server cool. desktop fail. end of story
- Tyler Gillies
+1 Tyler. And I'm sayin that from an Ubuntu box
- Yuvi
If you're using Ubuntu, you ought to try Linux Mint...a much more polished distro UI-wise, built from Ubuntu.
- Christopher A Carr
mint isn't"built" from ubuntu. it IS ubuntu
- Tyler Gillies
When is Safari going to have separate processes per tab?
- Christopher A Carr
and its not the "polish" that makes it fail. its the design, it was created as a server OS
- Tyler Gillies
That's becoming less and less the case, Tyler. Have you tried the latest Mint?
- Christopher A Carr
last mint i installed was elyssa
- Tyler Gillies
Gloria is a considerable improvement.
- Christopher A Carr
Elyssa was Mint 5. They are on 7 now.
- Christopher A Carr
im not saying its a bad os. it just fails when compared to windows 7 or mac osx
- Tyler Gillies
The "built for servers" point is a bit odd considering OSX's history...
- Christopher A Carr
mushrooms! mushrooms!
- Ben
Well, heck then I'm not getting Linux because my Mac Beach Balls enough as it is
- Stephen Pickering
badgers badgers badgers! ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Stephen, Macs don't crash. The funny commercial said so...
- Christopher A Carr
osx is bsd. thats a different story ;)
- Tyler Gillies
hehehehehehehehehhehe
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, that was my point, Tyler. At any rate, let's not risk touching off a silly OS fight. Until recently, I was tri-booting Mint7, OS 10.5.x, and Win7, on my netbook.
- Christopher A Carr
menage a trois
- Tyler Gillies
Indeed. Ended up with a Mint7/Win7 dual boot. OSX's UI isn't great on the little screen. Ran just fine, though.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher I downloaded Windows 7 on a Sun Virtual Box. Is there anyway I can make it fill up the whole screen or can I only do that with boot camp?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, first of all, you're not seeing all the Win7 prettiness without hardware acceleration. And yes, you should be able to go full screen with VB.
- Christopher A Carr
isn't virtualbox a piece of software?
- Tyler Gillies
Yes, tyler, for installing OSes in virtual machines.
- Christopher A Carr
Yeah, I haven't played with it because it just sits there in its little box. No fun. But Leo Laporte was saying that Virtual had come so far that there was hardly any difference
- Stephen Pickering
I'll boot camp it
- Stephen Pickering
It runs nice in a VM, but, yeah, to really try it out, you should consider installing it on real hardware.
- Christopher A Carr
i installed windows xp in virtualbox from linux on a gateway because that was the only way i could get the drivers to work without the oem install cd
- Tyler Gillies
I had Vista for a while on this Imac, but then it stopped working because it was a 350 dollar Home edition I bought for my Parents and licensed for only one machine! Oh that made me so mad
- Stephen Pickering
I mean Vista Boot camped until it wouldn't let me log in anymore
- Stephen Pickering
And yes, it was beautiful, so I can imagine what Win 7 woudl look like, now I'm drooling, must boot camp. Think I'll do that now, as it looks like no sleep tonight
- Stephen Pickering
Virtual Box has a "seamless mode," which lets you launch windows apps seemingly in Linux - sort of hides the guest OS. I would stick the XP bar on the side of my Linux desktop...elicited lots of "what the fucks?" **edit** This was with Linux as the host and XP as the guest, which works better than the other way around.
- Christopher A Carr
Time to get a DVD out
- Stephen Pickering
anyone have a blueray player?
- Tyler Gillies
Getting a blueray burner for my desktop PC next month.
- Christopher A Carr
Oops, what happened? Screenabstract from iPhone after firing the device up? :-)
- Mark Jacobs
is it worth the upgrade?
- Tyler Gillies
You mean video quality-wise, from a DVD?
- Christopher A Carr
yes
- Tyler Gillies
on a 1080P screen, absolutely. And sound...much better.
- Christopher A Carr
@Tyler not only blu ray looks great, but most players will also upscale dvds to make em look great
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
is blueray 1080p?
- Tyler Gillies
most blu rays are 1080p, some earlier ones were 720p... check the box... it usually says if is 1080p
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
I hope Apple finaly introduces blu ray support in snow leopard.
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
If you've ever watched something like a football game via an uncompressed, over-the-air HD signal, it's even a little better than that...
- Christopher A Carr
apple is really getting uncreative with their naming schemes. leopard to snow leopard?
- Tyler Gillies
Apple seems to think that we are all going to have 100MPBS down connections and 20 TBs of storage sometime in the very near future. So don't hold your breath, Sebastiaan.
- Christopher A Carr
100 mbps would be nice. i have 3
- Tyler Gillies
Apple would prefer to sell us high-def content via iTunes.
- Christopher A Carr
does perian have blueray?
- Tyler Gillies
here in the netherlands, they don't even sell movies yet or tv shows, or you can't rent movies either... so that sux, no blu ray support.. As far as i know, macs with vlc or perian can play ts mpeg streams.... thats not the issue
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Tyler, bandwidth and storage is the issue. A physical medium like Blue Ray disc solves those problems.
- Christopher A Carr
100 mbps? I have 256kbps
- Yuvi
is that isdn?
- Tyler Gillies
I've 7 mbps. There are places where one can get a residential 100mpbs connection. Tokyo, for instance. Verizon is doing fiber to the residence in some parts of the US, with 50mbps connections available, I think.
- Christopher A Carr
It's ADSL
- Yuvi
DSL rather
- Yuvi
i live on an island i think the highest we have here is 11 mbps
- Tyler Gillies
Most of Europe kicks most of the US's ass in the residential bandwidth department...
- Christopher A Carr
256kbps would really make me cry.
- Christopher A Carr
I could've taken 2 mbps, but that'd be capped at 2.5 gigs a month :(
- Yuvi
I have 20mbps connection, but it doesn't go no faster than 6mbps cuz of the distance to telephone adsl switches
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
That's less than one 1080p feature length film, Yuvi.
- Christopher A Carr
yeah benjamin buttons is 7.36 gigs
- Tyler Gillies
Yes, I know. That sucks. That's why I'm on 256kbps uncapped.
- Yuvi
But at 256kbps, you can't really stream video much. Hell, even Pandora might be flaky.
- Christopher A Carr
Pandora is geotarded to the US. Youtube is shitty :(
- Yuvi
geotarded LOL
- Tyler Gillies
Watching a YouTube vid goes like this - click on play, click on pause, wait for it to download (at approximately 1s/s, so for a 8 min vid, I'd have to wait 8 mins), then watch :(
- Yuvi
Ah, that's right... us damn self-centered Americans. ;) Sorry
- Christopher A Carr
Can you use a web proxy to get Pandora to work?
- Christopher A Carr
i prefer grooveshark over pandora
- Tyler Gillies
I'd suck (with buffering) even if It was direct. With a proxy, no chance!
- Yuvi
Last.fm works though.
- Yuvi
Pandora's built from scratch, fancy database is tough to beat.
- Christopher A Carr
Yuvi: What's the mobile network speed situation there?
- Christopher A Carr
Well, there're two new providers offering 1.5mbps
- Yuvi
In all fairness, there are 16Mbps connections available for Residential users now in India. The problem is they are fixed data limit (20 GB) and fairly expensive (~$60/mo). And 3G EVDO Data Cards with 3.1 Mbps are available as well but again, expensive ~$13/mo for 1GB, ~$25/mo for 10 GB.
- Parth Awasthi
+1 Parth. 20GB at 16Mbps is laughable.
- Yuvi
$25 USD a month for a 3G data plan with a 10GB monthly cap?
- Christopher A Carr
you got that right.
- Parth Awasthi
That's cheap.
- Christopher A Carr
It's not because I'll use those 10GBs in a week at most and then I'll pay $4/GB. In three more weeks, I'll be running a huge bill.
- Parth Awasthi
Other than mobile plans, is it all DSL there? Or do they use coax as well? Any fiber to the residence?
- Christopher A Carr
Wired broadband connections are all DSL or Cable. FTTH is non-existent.
- Parth Awasthi
Those caps are indeed harsh.
- Christopher A Carr
I think I'm capped at 250GB per month.
- Christopher A Carr
250GB per month at a monthly price? I was earlier at 256Kbps to 2Mbps 1GB/monthly cap at $5/month. Now shifted to 256Kbps constant uncapped at $15/month.
- Manish Sinha
Yuvi: Airtel is providing 16MBps for home, but it was a joke. 20GB cap on 16Mbps line is a joke. Even if you bit mistake hit download and it gets download before you can cancel, then you have wasted a lot from your allowed cake.
- Manish Sinha
Parth: Those 3.1Mbps data cards is a joke. I never got more than 350Kbps ever. To add insult to injury TataIndicom projected in their ads... "3.1Mbps data cards 10GB unlimited"...WTF is "10GB unlimited"???
- Manish Sinha
@Manish: Me on the same plan too! :D
- Yuvi
Manish, the speeds one gets on EVDO are very highly correlated to the signal strength. I have used BSNL EVDO and I consistently got upwards of 1Mbps.
- Parth Awasthi
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- Pat
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- Ronald
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- Chad McCoskey
The Apple store in SF doesn't own the window on the side of their building, which can lead to this: http://i.gizmodo.com/5280893...
- RobinDotNet
And gizmodo is blogging live at the event today. http://live.gizmodo.com/ if you're interested.
- RobinDotNet
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
We have the "We'll be back soon" sticky - http://store.apple.com/ IT'S GO TIME!
- Mike Bracco
Someone's really trying to keep the doctor away..
- JonInteractive
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- Steven Perez
ROFL! DYSP!
- Jim Misses SP
lol
- Johnny
Microsoft.
- Sharron Field
See, that's just how a Mac gets a sad face :(
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- Mark Jacobs
Imagine ~ Create ~ Play ~ Apple.
- Kryptic
Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Mike Arrington, Hugh McLeod, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, and Loren Feldman. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...
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how did he die ?
- John Hillestad
legal herion ?
- John Hillestad
I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx
- David Lloyd
Oh, just found this chat... thanks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
wow
- Karoli
kevin's link into live.twit.tv breaks
- Karoli
my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army
- Andrew Johnson
HI FROM GEORGIA GLAD YALL ARE OK
- daveccorey
wow
- David Lloyd
wow...
- Chris Heath
I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo.
- Mike Lewis
Holy Crap!
- Bill Heslin
this will be news [edit: and it was http://www.google.com/search... & http://news.google.com/news... and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up http://gawker.com/5282089... ]
- Chris Heath
no drama leo
- Chris Heath
by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased
- David Lloyd
Techcrunch SUCKS!
- Jason Hansen
wow!
- John Hillestad
I'm so happy!
- Jason Hansen
wow - just wow
- Devin Baines
shortest gillmor gang ever
- Karoli
lol that was classic
- Chris Saad
Wow, social media drama!
- imabonehead
/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap
- Omar Egan
Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first.
- Dave
Leo blew his top!
- John Hillestad
It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky!
- Jason Hansen
man i only just caught the end - what happened?
- h1ro
I missed it too
- Simon Wicks
about time
- Jim Posner
OMG
- Steven (optionshiftk)
arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre
- Karoli
Props Leo
- Nick Rae
Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON
- David Lloyd
Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it.
- Jason Hansen
Leo for President
- Matthew
what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront
- h1ro
wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time.
- Mike Lewis
Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network
- Steven (optionshiftk)
The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased
- David Lloyd
wow
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Way to go Leo!!
- Andre Vautour
wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo
- Andrew Johnson
Arrington's an asshole
- Devin Baines
What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo
- David Schmidt
@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction
- Chris Saad
relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here
- decjr
Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech
- Matthew
Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling.
- Leo Laporte
michael arrington Leo always discloses that info
- Andrew Johnson
got funky hold music on calliflower
- Kevin Marks
Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful!
- Mike Lewis
You have nothing to apologize for Leo
- Matthew
Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right
- David Lloyd
You did the right thing Leo!
- Omar Egan
as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional....
- John Hillestad
No need to apologize Leo.
- Bill Heslin
@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure
- h1ro
Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect
- Harvey Birdman
nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL
- Karoli
No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries
- Erle Stride
Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow.
- Colin
did i miss something?
- Kevin Marks
I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk.
- Jason Hansen
yes Kevin
- Matthew
the audio should go viral soon
- Jim Posner
Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion.
- Karoli
Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious?
- Jason Hansen
Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time.
- Omar Egan
well, that was interesting.
- Chris Pugh
Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho
- Devin Baines
you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life
- David Lloyd
Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'.
- Karoli
You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one.
- Mike
Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way.
- Colin
@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction
- Chris Saad
thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off....
- John Hillestad
michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding
- Chris Heath
apologies if i overeacted xxx
- David Lloyd
Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off.
- Aron Michalski
It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing.
- Omar Egan
Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest.
- Kim Landwehr
I'll be uploading the audio here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host
- h1ro
yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish?
- Matthew
kim they were talking about how it was a review model...
- Chris Heath
Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff?
- Aron Michalski
Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish.
- Jason Hansen
@jason who said that?
- h1ro
I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities.
- Joel Asaro
Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased.
- Paulius G
Its kind of funny I turned on Twit Tv and all I got of the show was that last minute.
- zephyrlily
If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue
- Harvey Birdman
Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show.
- Karoli
cliff - please call me if you can
- Tina Chase Gillmor
the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values!
- h1ro
I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo!
- John Blanton
tina - which #? d msg me.
- Cliff Gerrish
Waiting for the TC post :)
- Chris Saad
im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong
- David Lloyd
Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays)
- Chris Heath
Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges.
- Thusenth
I'll miss Mike Arrington =(
- Colin
just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile.
- Karoli
Karoli - i was shocked too!
- Chris Heath
yes, it was brewing for months
- David Lloyd
Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo
- Chris Pugh
Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man.
- Kim Landwehr
Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long?
- Jason Hansen
What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT?
- Aron Michalski
Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube?
- Mike Hellers
I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways.
- Omar Egan
years no doubt :p
- David Lloyd
I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted.
- Jason Hansen
I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho
- David Lloyd
Go Leo! :-)
- Moobie
Is Tina Gillmor still in here?
- Jason Hansen
Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL
- Karoli
Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly.
- invariant - farewell FF
hello
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door.
- Jim Posner
very true, invariant
- Eric Florenzano
good point invariant
- Chris Heath
hey Tina - sorry this happened
- Hilary Talbot
Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :)
- Mike Lewis
Did the show start at the top of the hour?
- zephyrlily
Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Steven (optionshiftk)
The Mike: Arrington will never change.
- Jason Hansen
Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo.
- Colin
I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too.
- Karoli
love you tina, you are a top chick xxx
- David Lloyd
I JUST POSTED TO YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Mike Bracco
Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore.
- Mike Lewis
Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week...
- Karoli
thanks @Mike Bracco
- detorn
I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang!
- Wo
RETWEET: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- David Lloyd
Karoli - let's get together when you do
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction.
- invariant - farewell FF
I'm very shocked... for the record
- Tina Chase Gillmor
In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home."
- Paul E. Ester
crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show
- Will Fifer
What happened? - J. Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week.
- Wo
Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff.
- Colin
yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move
- h1ro
Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh
- Chris Saad
re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist
- David Lloyd
If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it
- Chris Saad
it was not staged, the anger was real
- David Lloyd
Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that.
- Wo
I thought Leo was being facetious
- Steven (optionshiftk)
If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;)
- Colin
So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week?
- Dave
I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker
- Chris Pugh
I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT.
- Wo
GG is not dead, it will be back
- David Lloyd
just not on twit
- David Lloyd
realtime web ladies and gentlemen, friendfeeded, twittered and youtubed within ten minutes of the incident.
- russtbarnacle
well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off
- russellcoleman
@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move
- h1ro
Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired.
- Robert Scoble
yes russelcoleman haha
- David Lloyd
got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle
- detorn
Leo took his ball and is going home.
- Wo
arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before
- Moose
you missed a classic Scoble
- David Lloyd
lol
- detorn
it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo
- David Lloyd
Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here!
- Paulius G
@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Chris Saad
@scoble http://www.youtube.com/watch... action replay
- h1ro
This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned.
- David Peralta
russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL
- Karoli
Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
GG will still be on Twit as long as Mike isn't on it
- zephyrlily
Dan is censoring the irc chat room...
- John Hillestad
I was looking forward to the Pre discussion.
- Wo
Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday.
- Troy McConaghy
Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time
- David Lloyd
I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo
- Chris
NO MORE GILMORE GANG NOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO THE MAN PROVIDING THE SERVICE
- Daryl Brown
think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded
- David Lloyd
was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home
- Moose
Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
the incident : http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- John Hillestad
Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit
- Tina Chase Gillmor
HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on!
- invariant - farewell FF
Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3?
- Karoli
Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington.
- Wo
I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change.
- Aron Michalski
Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it.
- Chris
not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx
- David Lloyd
"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times
- jccalhoun
they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good
- Mike
Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened?
- tollie williams
Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dan is a tool
- David Lloyd
Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun.
- Karoli
its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan....
- John Hillestad
There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool.
- Colin
There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy
- Moose
I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry
- Mike
you can't censor something if you aren't the government
- jccalhoun
FF just gained a lot of points.
- Colin
I am behind you leo
- Theodore Grabow
Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo's rant > Christian Bale's
- Chris
twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last
- jccalhoun
if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire
- Mike
jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL
- Karoli
yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words
- David Lloyd
Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here.
- Colin
Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say...
- Amyloo
Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now.
- Bwana ☠
there is/was an adult irc channel
- Moose
And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate.
- Colin
mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there.
- jccalhoun
hey Amy
- Hilary Talbot
Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show
- Stephen Pickering
facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods
- David Lloyd
Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun
- Bwana ☠
hey hil, did you catch that?
- Amyloo
My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime.
- Robert Hafer
yes, it was all over in minutes...
- Hilary Talbot
Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time ....
- Michael Holzinger
yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed!
- David Lloyd
I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo
- John Hillestad
Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away.
- Paul E. Ester
Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does).
- tollie williams
i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods...
- jccalhoun
Dan runs a tight ship
- russellcoleman
When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly.
- Colin
Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege
- Bwana ☠
I would assume Leo will delete this conversation
- Steven (optionshiftk)
oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right.
- Karoli
Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something.
- Robert Scoble
the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak!
- zefyr
If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it.
- Holger Eilhard
Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs
- Stephen Pickering
Robert - you certainly did
- Devin Baines
I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?"
- Thusenth
OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week.
- Wo
Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open.
- Colin
cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed '
- John Hillestad
LOL @ Scobles understatement
- Moose
"What are you going to do about it?" *initiating shutdown sequence*
- zephyrlily
google indexes this stuff fast anyway
- Karoli
Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements
- Tina Chase Gillmor
resume as in today.. somewhere else?
- Moose
good old steve, another one of the good guys
- David Lloyd
today Tina?
- Wo
any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"...
- Aron Michalski
thanks for the update @tina
- h1ro
Will Steve try and stream it over ustream?
- Steven (optionshiftk)
not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: http://www.techcult.com/wired-v...
- invariant - farewell FF
@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it.
- 321
TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though.
- Jason Hansen
I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he...
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- Leo Laporte
Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Karoli
Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening...
- Aron Michalski
This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again.
- David Ford
And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...?
- Holger Eilhard
good statement Leo
- David Lloyd
I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo!
- Patrick Hall
Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes?
- Michael Kaiser
Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit.
- Simon Tracey
WTG Leo
- Moose
he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :(
- David Lloyd
Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing.
- Jason Hansen
Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate
- David Lloyd
It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT
- Bwana ☠
Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ hasn't been updated since April.
- Thusenth
@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT.
- David Ford
You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible.
- Colin
Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC
- David Lloyd
doesnt mention leo tho
- David Lloyd
lmao Bwana
- Moose
@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea
- h1ro
What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT
- Karoli
I would never kick you off Bwana!
- Leo Laporte
Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington.
- Jason Hansen
GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun.
- Libertine
Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty.
- Leo Laporte
Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area.
- Mike
Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive...
- Aron Michalski
Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything.
- Chuck
Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol
- Erle Stride
Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out.
- Adam Windisch
Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show.
- Jerry Schuman
wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys
- BryanSchuetz
MP3 of the whole show: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it
- David Lloyd
I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread.
- Mike Saraf
Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote.
- Karoli
@mark link for arringtons post on tc?
- h1ro
I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example).
- Patrick Sullivan
Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat.
- Bwana ☠
Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled.
- Chris Pugh
I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best
- Moose
Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident.
- Colin
@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though.
- 321
Bwana Who's Erie?
- Erle Stride
it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached
- David Lloyd
I didn't "cut off irc".. i decided to mute it for a few minutes to qwell the constant gossip. It will be back in a few minutes.
- Dan Hendricks
Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke
- Tina Chase Gillmor
With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan.
- Karoli
Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses
- Bwana ☠
Leo , look at it this way you had your ball meme the other week and now you've got this video that could meme,your on a roll your the meme machine!
- russtbarnacle
i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds
- David Lloyd
:)
- Bwana ☠
Leo is going on techmeme?
- David Lloyd
I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal
- zefyr
Bwana I know just breaking balls
- Erle Stride
I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship.
- tollie williams
I deserved it :)
- Bwana ☠
irc has a gossip filter?
- Moose
Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'.
- Karoli
Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang.
- Paul E. Ester
So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it
- BryanSchuetz
IRC is back for anyone interested
- Mike
Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through.
- Bwana ☠
Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week?
- Dave
So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW
- Erle Stride
FF > IRC
- David Lloyd
Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P
- Mike Lewis
until they add custom formatting here? Lo
- David Lloyd
Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo.
- John Brazel
you got that one right Professor.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible.
- Zee.
Full show here, it was good at the beginning: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)"
- David Lloyd
Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional.
- Paulius G
Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT.
- Nir Ben Yona
If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real
- Chris Pugh
well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance
- David Lloyd
Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through!
- Robert Scoble
Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family...
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- Leo Laporte
Well said Leo!
- Harvey Birdman
I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet
- David Lloyd
Leo has 30 year history of integrity
- David Lloyd
@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise
- Chris Saad
Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too.
- Robert Scoble
He was just getting the disclosures out of the way
- Chris Saad
Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish.
- Karoli
Leo you are beyond reproach.
- BryanSchuetz
right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion
- h1ro
Chris, there was more than that to it
- Karoli
We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result
- Devin Baines
Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit.
- Leo Laporte
Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington.
- David Ford
What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?"
- Colin
No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way
- Chris Saad
You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike
- David Peralta
re colin, flame baiting?
- David Lloyd
Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed
- TunisianGuy
It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab.
- Karoli
We love you Leo! Hang in there!
- Head Ov Metal
can you call tina please Leo xx
- David Lloyd
@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content
- h1ro
Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear
- Bwana ☠
@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't"
- Chris Saad
I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment?
- Colin
Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second!
- Jack
Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG.
- Michael Ritter
Leo got Pwned lol.
- Matt Ruiz
friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr.
- Karoli
RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo
- Harvey Birdman
Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week.
- Professor Messer
Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you.
- Lise
that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win
- BryanSchuetz
We love you Leo!
- Moobie
Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose.
- Robert Scoble
Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died.
- Karoli
@Robert choose life :)
- Chris Saad
Well said, Robert.
- David Ford
Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own apml.org?
- David Lloyd
Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later
- Moose
Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time.
- Robert Scoble
@Mark yes I do
- Chris Saad
:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says...
- Thomas McGivern
Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions.
- Karoli
@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :)
- Chris Saad
Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics ....
- Jason Beck
Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A)
- earl wallace
Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :(
- Jimminy Fuller
@Robert lol true I guess
- Chris Saad
Agreed, this is life.
- Colin
@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation!
- Adnan
Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr
- David Lloyd
Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways.
- Aron Michalski
In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware!
- Mike Lewis
Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though.
- Robert Scoble
Its not late to bring some peace back
- Johni Fisher
You don't bully leo though scoble
- Jack
...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture.
- Karoli
I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world.....
- Stanley Suan
Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :)
- Chris Saad
Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too.
- Robert Scoble
You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes
- David Lloyd
It's on the reddits now - http://bit.ly/u0Ilr
- James
"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book
- jccalhoun
Karoli lol
- russtbarnacle
Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation..
- Kim Landwehr
was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri?
- Steve Ford
Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte!
- John Brazel
Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :)
- Chris Saad
Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us
- Tina Chase Gillmor
whats arringtons take on all this?
- Dano Hart
he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog
- David Lloyd
Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings?
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
I like cheese.
- Benjamin Grelle
Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything?
- Harvey Birdman
@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before.
- Hilary Talbot
I like John Cheese
- David Lloyd
that was @karoli, sorry
- Hilary Talbot
Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm
- TunisianGuy
Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry
- Stephen Pickering
Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk
- Moobie
@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley
- Chris Saad
Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too.
- Robert Scoble
There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly.
- Leo Laporte
Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is...
- Aron Michalski
I agree with Harvey, no one cares
- David Peralta
@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo.
- Harvey Birdman
Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike...
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- Grady Joslin
has gillmore commented
- Steve Ford
I think most of us would agree leo
- Jack
@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir.
- David Ford
I agree with you Leo
- Theodore Grabow
Updated the bootleg feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Agreed Leo
- Moobie
@Frank TGG won't be airing today.. based on earlier responses on the thread.
- Divya Mistry
Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes!
- Stephen Pickering
Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network
- russellcoleman
Waffles are also delicious.
- Benjamin Grelle
Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh
- Robert Scoble
i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe
- Dano Hart
arrington posts on techcrunch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- jccalhoun
RT ARRINGTON http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- David Lloyd
Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments
- David Lloyd
He respects Leo I think
- David Lloyd
Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting.
- Nir Ben Yona
@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious
- Dano Hart
anyway to get the latest post at the top?
- detorn
obama is too busy going on ' date night '
- John Hillestad
Good post from Mike.
- invariant - farewell FF
Good post form Mike. with an apology
- David Lloyd
Mike apologizes to Leo
- David Peralta
if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology
- David Lloyd
Respect exists.
- David Lloyd
Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo
- Austin Garrod
yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms
- David Lloyd
Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away.
- Karoli
if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing?
- jccalhoun
well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think?
- David Lloyd
Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry.
- Kim Landwehr
In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here
- Bwana ☠
the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it...
- detorn
finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff
- Christopher Harris
whats that tech site which has the gutter news?
- David Lloyd
I now have a headache
- Bwana ☠
he did apologize : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- John Hillestad
James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be
- David Lloyd
To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think.
- Simon Tracey
Weakest. Apology. Ever.
- Eric Florenzano
The full show! http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Chris
Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider.
- Leo Laporte
Leo-don't, he's not worth it.
- Harvey Birdman
"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is
- detorn
Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception
- Kyle
@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe
- Dano Hart
Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running...
- John Hillestad
Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up.
- Lise
I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give.
- Kim Landwehr
Make peace not war Leo.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you.
- David Lloyd
Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host.
- Dave
Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution?
- Jason Beck
You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future
- Johni Fisher
Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;)
- David Ford
Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future.
- Robert Kenney
The best trolls always say just kidding at the last second. Kudos to Arrington for being an epic troll with that techcrunch "nonpology"
- Dan Hendricks
Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided.
- Adam Turetzky
Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe?
- Randy Green
Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre
- Bwana ☠
Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo.
- Michael Kaiser
In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity.
- Benjamin Grelle
I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo.
- John Brazel
It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone.
- Chris
It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it.
- Moobie
No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness.
- Libertine
Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves.
- Richard Coppen
he should dump Gilmore and his gang. what a bunch of yo yos.
- John Merrill
I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap.
- Grady Joslin
just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it
- Austin Garrod
Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work.
- Robert Lee
Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs.
- Steve
keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good
- Christopher Harris
I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is.
- detorn
Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to...
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- Robert Scoble
What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour?
- Kyle
I left that comment over on TechCrunch.
- Robert Scoble
You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them?
- Karoli
I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time.
- Heiti Kruusmaa
Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show
- Amyloo
wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit?
- Austin Garrod
Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre.
- Steve Ford
I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now?
- Randy Green
Leo, although I find the GG to be informative and entertaining in it's own way, I never thought it could be done in a style or format in line with the production quality you regularly offer on the TWiT Network.
- Craig Durling
Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff...
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- Robert Scoble
I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: http://friendfeed.com/ideali...
- David Schmidt
Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately.
- Karoli
in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias.
- Tobias Lewsadder
I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C
- Andrew Johnson
Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else.
- Rob Blatt
Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings!
- Chris
I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content.
- Wo
@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about
- BryanSchuetz
Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn'
- kenneth glenn
The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology!
- Colin
Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT.
- Joel Asaro
Colin: we are passionate, aren't we?
- Robert Scoble
@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: http://tinyurl.com/qnugbz
- David Schmidt
Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
- Colin
Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it?
- Robert Scoble
@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic?
- BryanSchuetz
it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think.
- Karoli
If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board.
- Chris Pugh
I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding.
- Colin
I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum.
- Wo
Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me.
- Robert Scoble
Wo - and that's a first? :)
- Bwana ☠
@Chris P - what would that solve?
- Lise
so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted?
- Steve Ford
You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to.
- Colin
Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days
- Andrew Johnson
Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch.
- BryanSchuetz
Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available.
- Chris Pugh
i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo
- Andrew Villafane
Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead.
- Robert Scoble
wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)...
- Heiti Kruusmaa
I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down.
- Kim Landwehr
If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else.
- Colin
We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV
- TunisianGuy
Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the threats...so who knows?
- Karoli
Colin: the show will continue.
- Robert Scoble
leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation.
- Tobias Lewsadder
I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side.
- Owen Greaves
hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it
- Andrew Villafane
Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others for...as if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services.
- Karoli
I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace.
- Leo Laporte
Nice, move along people ;)
- David Lloyd
Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another.
- Joel Asaro
Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough.
- Robert Scoble
Nice to see that it all worked out so well.
- 321
Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang!
- Robert Scoble
Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin'
- Karoli
arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time
- Tobias Lewsadder
Lasse: welcome to the real time web!
- Robert Scoble
Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed.
- Libertine
Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week?
- Wo
GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment.
- Alberto Saavedra
real time web wins again
- David Lloyd
leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!!
- Tobias Lewsadder
Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics
- Darryl Adams
I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast.
- Stanley Suan
so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore???
- Andrew Villafane
Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him?
- Robert Scoble
The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones
- Chris Pugh
the real time real world isnt either Chris :p
- David Lloyd
It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are.
- Colin
Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago.
- Karoli
Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :)
- Wookie
However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo!
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal
- Stephen Pickering
Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before.
- David Jones
I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype.
- Jason Beck
Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com
- Karoli
Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off?
- Stephen Pickering
Leo accepts! http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Chris
Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed.
- Paulius G
Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip
- David Lloyd
I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here.
- Jesse Stay
Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem.
- Karoli
Arrington has and always will be an asshole. I don't read his blog and certainly won't start now. He has made some bad moves in the past, but this one might be an endgame. There is absolutely no reason to bait like that when someone is trying to provide a review. Reviews are never completely unbiased, but Leo always discloses and provides the most unbiased reviews that a sensible human can.
- Bob Blunk
Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time.
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so.
- Jesse Stay
Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself.
- Justin Flood @justinflood
As far a the show goes, if/when they have another one, I MIGHT EVEN WATCH IT NOW. This is some good advertisement over this all be it not expected. Might be good to put someone on there with more of a moderation roll though.
- Fake Elmo
Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad???
- Darren Rowley
Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue.
- Michael Ritter
I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre.
- Jason Pope
I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas.
- Darrel Davis
When you have all these strong willed experts on one show, in a timed enviroment it could cause for some "good tv" as the saying goes.
- Fake Elmo
love ya leo.
- Mark Outten
just one more thing...PLEASE don't let this be a publicity stunt!
- Bob Blunk
It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently.
- Steve Ford
I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead.
- Brian Cagle
Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity
- Art
I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's
- Jesse Stay
Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :)
- Ryan
This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now.
- Leo Laporte
YAY!
- David Lloyd
Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve
- Darryl Adams
Restarting BitGravity feed :)
- Bill Heslin
:)
- Nicholas James
Leo you're a good man
- Jesse Stay
Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he?
- David Lloyd
_serious_ realtime shit
- Amyloo
Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-)
- Darryl Adams
gotta love live real time.
- Steve Ford
Yes! :)
- Adnan
<3 real time xx wish my friends got it
- David Lloyd
Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha!
- Michael Kaiser
Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events.
- Jason Beck
I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee.
- Brian Cagle
Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :)
- Adnan
Ride the trike in Leo. It will give you some peaceful time.. :) Your the best
- Bill Heslin
Lol, someone posted Keyboard Cat playing off Arrington but it got deleted on Youtube
- zephyrlily
we want david winer
- David Lloyd
why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid?
- Bwana ☠
Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya
- O W
I think the author deleted it @Bwana
- zephyrlily
Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now?
- Colin
scoble you going to be ontine for round two?
- Steve Ford
Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems.
- Allen Blair
a rerun of futures in Biotech Colin
- Bill Heslin
The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- BryanSchuetz
Oh nevermind...
- Bill Heslin
Lol :/
- Colin
hehehe
- Bill Heslin
Colin: I think they're trying to get everyone back.
- Nicholas James
If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously.
- Colin
Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius.
- Robert Scoble
This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it!
- Chris
Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-)
- Jeff Weber
LOL Jeff
- Bill Heslin
chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh...
- Steve Ford
I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did.
- Michael Kaiser
Michael: Robert invented the 2010 web: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Nicholas James
You mean R. Scoble didn't? I'm so confused now...
- Bill Heslin
I thought Al Gore invented it?
- John Brazel
There goes the Bulleit Bourbon?
- TunisianGuy
I'm sure Leo finished the Bulleit on the way home TunisianGuy :)
- Bill Heslin
@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL
- Adam Turetzky
don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho
- TunisianGuy
Welcome back Leo
- Bill Heslin
I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay!
- Ryan Massie
The show must go on http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Amyloo
Back live woooo!
- Moobie
I think your plant is upset Leo :)
- Bill Heslin
live.twit.tv
- TunisianGuy
yayyyyy
- TunisianGuy
Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool.
- John Brazel
Part2
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-)
- Moobie
LOL. This is better than TV
- Bwana ☠
we need a minute please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@Bill Lol @ the plant
- zephyrlily
I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana - Lol! :-)
- Moobie
Half Bwana...I would think at least 99.9% :)
- Bill Heslin
I upped the first part here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... and will do the same with this part
- Jack
Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules)
- Tim Hughes
I blame the Pre Leo...
- Bwana ☠
Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it.
- Kevin Hart
keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor
- Thomas McGivern
I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC.
- Ryan Massie
Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be)
- Scott Edwards
Take 2
- Bill Heslin
Now the show will be tame :)
- Bwana ☠
I can just picture keyboard cat waiting for the cue
- zephyrlily
lol
- Chris
LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show
- Bwana ☠
GTALK
- Nicholas James
You are a class act Leo!
- invariant - farewell FF
Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no.
- Joel R
LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video.
- Mike Bracco
Yes, mike's audio is fine.
- Cliff Gerrish
leo, you are great.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Well done both Leo and Mike
- Kim Landwehr
Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East.
- Karoli
seems to have lost audio - anyone else?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
hiccup
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up.
- Marco Ho
Tina, recording part ii
- Cliff Gerrish
What Calacanis incident?
- Chris
Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this.
- Jesse Stay
I like Arrington's style.
- Colin
thanksCliff
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone.
- Karoli
Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did.
- Paul
Tina, the first part is here if you need it http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting
- Amyloo
He never apologizes.... explains his attitude.
- zephyrlily
keyboard cat is back up!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Thomas McGivern
Gotta love Feldman! RT: The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz
- 1x29
This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this.
- Jesse Stay
No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights.
- Colin
The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer.
- Jesse Stay
Steve is angry :(
- David Lloyd
can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina.
- Karoli
Thanks Karoli ... tough few days
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scobey! Welcome to the show!
- Colin
Yay, we have ourselves a show
- Robert
Jack, are you recording?
- Robert
I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions.
- Jesse Stay
moving right along...
- Brad Kligerman
yep, this part will be up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... later
- Jack
So what's happening in tech?
- Colin
This week in therapy
- Thomas McGivern
group hug
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Leo vs Steve is coming up next...
- Chris
Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you
- Robert
Good thing Scoble isn't on a Pre with Sprint. Cause we could end the debate on Pre, or Sprint right now cause his signal is cutting out...Can ya hear me now? LOL
- Bill Heslin
As a journalist you have to ask tough questions
- Jesse Stay
This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one.
- Brad Kligerman
Robert=Fuzzy goofball...lol
- Bill Heslin
I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus
- Jack
Steve has a good wife.
- Colin
I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed!
- Lise
Leo's in his "battle stance"
- Colin
Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm?
- Brad Kligerman
Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang!
- Chris
Chris, networks have interdependencies
- Karoli
We shall see.
- 321
Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress!
- Aaron T. Harvey
Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it.
- Andrew Johnson
I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though
- Andrew Johnson
Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard?
- Karoli
For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve.
- Brad Kligerman
of course i'm not saying that Karoli
- Andrew Johnson
I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's?
- Stephen Pickering
Excellent point Brad
- Robert
My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too
- Karoli
I do agree with Brad.
- Karoli
I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too
- Andrew Johnson
Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug
- Stephen Pickering
I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else.
- Steve
Steve needs to stop reading this chat
- Robert
I agree, I think he's taking it too literally
- zephyrlily
i think it is irc that he is speaking of
- Andrew Johnson
Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online.
- Verbal
Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously
- earl wallace
Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that.
- Lise
Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often.
- Joel Asaro
Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses.
- Karoli
FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this.
- Jesse Stay
We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together.
- Colin
Leo, the drama is the show.
- Karoli
i'm confused... leo added drama too
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
This is not going to end well......
- David Peralta
If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory
- Karoli
Ryan, I can't believe you're even suggesting that this has anything to do with ad revenue
- Derek Erdmann
This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine.
- Matthew
Uh Oh
- Bill Heslin
Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile
- Karoli
Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent
- Gary Gannon
I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli
- Brad Kligerman
Ohhhh....
- Amyloo
Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this?
- Jesse Stay
internal angst
- zephyrlily
I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer...
- Robert
the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is.
- Karoli
Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT
- Ryan Merket
Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls
- Karoli
Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve.
- Lise
'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement.
- Brad Kligerman
Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana.
- Colin
I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
We need Steve to hook all these people up!
- Colin
Steve us wrong about networks. This is clearly Leo's network.
- Scott Wilder
talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think
- Karoli
We don't want to see you dead, Mike
- Stephen Pickering
It's like watching Crossfire, but with a bunch of tech geeks
- zephyrlily
There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights.
- Joel R
We're not crazy!! *twitches*
- Robert
the content and the passion are indivisible
- Hilary Talbot
I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this.
- Lise
SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream
- Karoli
I <3 you all guys
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread
- 321
Sounds like they have patched things up.
- Mike Doeff
Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear.
- Jan Zimak
@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though
- Jesse Stay
Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed
- Stephen Pickering
Underwear 12 y/os? wtf?
- Ryan Merket
What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh
- Lise
I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening
- Stephen Pickering
OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol
- Andrew Johnson
I think Leo should "man up" and say the quality of the content isn't enough to keep GG on TWiT.
- Scott Wilder
This is why social profiles are a good thing - building a presence that you have to be responsible for is just as critical for the web as it is in person.
- Derek Erdmann
I haven't seen much stupidity on friendfeed actually; few insensitive comments perhaps in this stream but nothing much really
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is
- Robert
Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is?
- Stephen Pickering
i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now
- Dano Hart
Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat
- Jesse Stay
That IRC chat is a disaster
- Mike Doeff
Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders.
- Aaron T. Harvey
I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet.
- Lise
Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here
- Stephen Pickering
No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show.
- Brad Kligerman
Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here
- Jack
Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously
- earl wallace
Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else
- Karoli
Ultimately Steve is right. If he doesn't like Leo's ability to control the show because he controls the network, then GG should go somewhere else.
- Scott Wilder
Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen.
- Jesse Stay
You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now.
- Colin
you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show.
- Karoli
can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already
- TunisianGuy
gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like.
- Adnan
Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've...
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- Jason Miller
why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II?
- Karoli
Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo.
- Jim Posner
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities.
- Colin
I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great
- Gary Gannon
Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like
- Jesse Stay
why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way.
- Jesse Stay
Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK
- Karoli
Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington
- Stephen Pickering
If I want drama I'll turn on TNT, because apparently they know drama.
- Scott Wilder
The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT
- Jack
Gillmor's talking but no one can hear.
- Sprague D
On TWiT, the drama is replaced by the outstanding interactions between the members of the panel. Debating on the topic (like Dvorak v. everybody) is very different from getting personal, which I think is what happened here.
- Derek Erdmann
Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit.
- Libertine
Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD?
- coldbrew
Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended.
- tollie williams
Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed"
- Ryan Merket
I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- BryanSchuetz
All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one.
- Jesse Stay
good point ryan merket
- Dano Hart
I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech.
- Paulius G
Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button
- Ryan Merket
@tollie very good insight
- earl wallace
Stay: Agreed.
- coldbrew
Audiences long for access to this show.
- Colin
This is all so very self-involved and silly.
- Christopher A Carr
@Ryan that's not the case at all
- Harvey Birdman
So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :)
- tollie williams
Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form
- Jack
There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming.
- Mike Doeff
+1 Colin
- Brad Kligerman
You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"]
- coldbrew
Hug it out guys.
- Mike Doeff
Jack, agreed.
- Karoli
I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are
- John Hillestad
"With all due respect". Got it.
- Sprague D
The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones.
- Ryan Merket
Ryan you've made that point a few times already now
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience.
- Jesse Stay
I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course.
- Lise
Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok.
- Bwana ☠
I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network
- Robert
Without a community there's no one to consume your content.
- Aaron T. Harvey
"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing
- Dano Hart
Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do"
- Karoli
Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way?
- Sprague D
It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners
- David Peralta
I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic!
- Thomas Hawk
"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Steve please do this on a closed call
- earl wallace
Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected.
- Lise
Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it
- Robert
"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content'
- Brad Kligerman
@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone.
- Gary Gannon
Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway.
- bobrudge
Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen
- coldbrew
I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose.
- Bwana ☠
Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled.
- Jim Posner
This show is going no where now
- Jesse Stay
It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'.
- Verbal
This has been brewing for a while
- Mike Doeff
i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content
- Dano Hart
If Steve wants to move the show off Twit then he should, although he shouldn't make the decision RIGHT NOW he should make it after the show and after careful consideration. Although I don't see why it can't stay on Twit.
- Nicholas James
Anella: Yes ;)
- coldbrew
The problem is Leo can turn off the show
- Jack
The show can go on with Leo
- Bwana ☠
The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important
- Karoli
dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe
- Dano Hart
Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is!
- Chris
Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
The show can go on without Leo
- Bwana ☠
Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions!
- coldbrew
Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down
- Lise
Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo?
- Jesse Stay
I am Reviled
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Also wouldnt it be up to Mike if Gillmor Gang stays on Twit after all they're located over at: http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ ;)
- Nicholas James
Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not?
- Chris
I think Steve is actually on the right track. Steve wants COMPLETE control. He can't on TWiT
- Scott Wilder
Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't
- Bwana ☠
Chris, because he believes the content is important.
- Karoli
Steve works for Mike, BTW.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light.
- earl wallace
No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time.
- Robert
Steve should put it on his own network and ask Leo back as a guest.
- Derek Erdmann
Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less.
- coldbrew
Bwana, I'm confused!
- Jesse Stay
If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm
- Lise
We Collegiates are Reviled
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance.
- bobrudge
Leo was liberal with those F bombs : )
- Mike Doeff
collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor
- Brad Kligerman
Jesse: I think Bwana is referring to the fact that you said can it "work AND without Leo" at the same time...didn't you mean OR ;)
- Nicholas James
LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha
- Lise
Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show?
- Jesse Stay
You can't take it with you has never been more true.
- Aron Michalski
Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright!
- Dano Hart
@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution.
- Ryan Merket
Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit.
- coldbrew
stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here.
- Brad Kligerman
Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future.
- Chris Heath
I think the balance of the show is fine. I think Steve just wants to be the main face on Gillmor Gang instead of on a monitor in the background ;)
- Nicholas James
Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG)
- Karoli
coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network.
- Jesse Stay
I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show.
- Mike Doeff
932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on
- daveccorey
Karoli, because it's on Leo's network
- Lise
It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-)
- Joel R
LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it"
- Jesse Stay
Steve hinted at the beginning at people being rude saying 'the old guy' should get off etc; I think he has good reason to be not happy if that's the case
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Joel, WInMo can do that, with Skyfire.
- Christopher A Carr
Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I definitely have a new respect for all of the people on this videocast after this. Well done all..
- Bill Heslin
Props for you guys going live with this. Way to stay professional and sort this stuff out.
- Derek Erdmann
okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!"
- Jesse Stay
It's completely recorded Leo :)
- Bill Heslin
I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it.
- Lise
Who in here has this recorded?
- Jesse Stay
I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that.
- Mike Doeff
Whoo! GO JACK!
- Robert
No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: someone mentioned before that they recorded the first one and will be recording the second one. Update: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 said he was going to ;)
- Nicholas James
I'll put this up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio.
- Paulius G
Welcome to the interwebs Steve
- Gary Gannon
Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool.
- Joel R
I knew it would be a tame show after that
- Bwana ☠
LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove
- Lise
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now... :)
- Bill Heslin
That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon.
- 321
I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington.
- Jesse Stay
I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech!
- Lise
i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe
- Dano Hart
This is TWID!
- Joel R
is the bar open yet?
- Andrew Johnson
TWiD - nice!
- Aaron T. Harvey
After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today
- David Peralta
@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil.
- Jan Zimak
Don't worry Leo we saw the names before you covered it ;)
- Nicholas James
Yes Andrew Serving Martinis as we speak...what can I get you? LOL
- Bill Heslin
Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today
- Stephen Pickering
And 3 hours later we get the Pre review
- Jack
Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow
- Bwana ☠
sluggish yes Bwana...
- Bill Heslin
that would drive me nuts
- Bwana ☠
wait until Monday for any iPhone announcements
- Derek Erdmann
Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold?
- Aaron T. Harvey
Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick
- Mike Doeff
Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone.
- Paulius G
Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?!
- Charlie Anzman
UI looks great
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash.
- Aron Michalski
I always had issues with Palm freezing and it seems it's still doing it watching this
- Bill Heslin
Leo, how's the keyboard? Engadget and Gizmodo didn't seem too pleased with it
- Derek Erdmann
Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week
- Karoli
Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :)
- Bwana ☠
Aaron: I've had a 'roundy/pudgy' phone in the form of a Samsung D500 and it was fine.
- Nicholas James
automatically syncs with google and facebook cool; look forward to seeing the keyboard too
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
I like that app dock
- Mike Doeff
I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone.
- 321
321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery
- Bwana ☠
Is anyone going to post the make-up video?
- Jim Posner
looks like it needs a software update for that latency (that would bug the hell out of me)
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
321: Apple will be launching background apps soon ;) They blame battery's because their battery sucks.
- Nicholas James
Jim: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 is going to be posting the recording of it
- Nicholas James
oh dear it's really not responding to Leo
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
that phone does look pretty slick
- Dano Hart
looks sluggish
- Robert
Robert: It's running alot of background apps though - using a lot of memory
- Nicholas James
anyone want some koolaid?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
good point, maybe it'd be faster if he closed down bg apps
- Franz Sittampalam
No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it
- Bwana ☠
It's sluggish all around
- Bwana ☠
bye
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Aaron: Update: Leo mentioned its comfortable to hold ;)
- Nicholas James
I don't love the UI, but the multitasking features look good. I'd like to see how this would work on more powerful hardware
- Derek Erdmann
Cya Tina!
- Nicholas James
I love great notification systems, and Palm has one
- Bwana ☠
Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :)
- Bwana ☠
Google Wave is going to be an interesting paradigm for mobile devices
- Scott Wilder
Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen
- Cory Roush
Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps
- Aaron T. Harvey
induction charge....very cool
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Oh, neat, that's the first time I've seen the gecko stuff on a real product!
- Derek Erdmann
flawless ustream for me today
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
That charger is ingenius
- Jesse Stay
Nintendo kills me with that
- Bwana ☠
High Demand = Immediate Press Coverage = Creates More Demand = Then Supply Inital Demand Only = Cycle Repeats ;)
- Nicholas James
Jeff Cannata on TWiT?!
- Chris
It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me
- Bwana ☠
Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have
- Bwana ☠
For the die hard Palm'ers
- Bwana ☠
Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does...
- Aaron T. Harvey
Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-(
- Jack
That'll come
- Bwana ☠
People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string
- Bwana ☠
do a quick test
- Bwana ☠
Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :)
- Bwana ☠
It's a good time to be a Phone lover
- Bwana ☠
It is "good competition" to the iPhone
- Jesse Stay
Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition
- Bwana ☠
Poor Motorola
- Bwana ☠
Palm getting 2nd is good for version 1.0
- Nicholas James
monday it will be 3rd
- Byron McCollum
O_O dead pixel blues
- Bwana ☠
Storm 2 will be out in a few months...love the competition
- Bwana ☠
Personally I think phones with sliding keyboards are great.
- Nicholas James
his thumb covers 4 keys
- Bwana ☠
Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA
- Jesse Stay
i could never use that analog keyboard
- Byron McCollum
Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today.
- Jason Miller
I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard.
- Aaron T. Harvey
That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
For me the apology will long out-live the video.
- Colin
LOL Bwana
- Lise
Nooooo
- Bwana ☠
Dont do it Leo
- Andrew Johnson
We could post your apology
- Aaron T. Harvey
Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity.
- Colin
I wouldn't :) :)
- Bwana ☠
Personally; I think you should make a video with the rant and then the appology immediately afterwards - that way they'll outlive each other ;)
- Nicholas James
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D
- Bwana ☠
do just the tribute and cut after that
- Andrew Johnson
Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it.
- Lise
Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies!
- Colin
we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike.
- Lise
We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us!
- Aaron T. Harvey
we love you too leo!
- Derek Erdmann
Go eat some meat Leo
- Bwana ☠
You deserve a few choice cuts
- Bwana ☠
See you in the morning, Leo.
- Lise
Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
Thanks guys!
- Nicholas James
Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P
- Andrew Johnson
now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow
- Andrew Johnson
this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality.
- Joe Magennis
Joe: It's up to Mike and Steve although, I agree that it should remain on Twit.
- Nicholas James
Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!!
- Andy
Haha, this is drama for geeks.
- Manuel Mas
Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes......
- John Spencer
I think Arrington should be a guest on Sunday's TWIT.
- Jason
I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing?
- jccalhoun
I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today.
- Allen Blair
Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario
- chad cicconi
listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist.
- jccalhoun
Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions.
- Charlie Anzman
Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that?
- jccalhoun
some people were being insensitive and they must have been paying attention because they got the feeling everyone concurred and thus the chatroom was a 'mob' of unified opinion;
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man.
- Rock
Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities.
- Dominic
Perfect. Way to go.
- Byron Servies
I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network.
- MarK
They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people.
- jccalhoun
Personally I felt the arguement for it not being on Twit is because Steve wants to be the main 'face' of Gillmor Gang regardless of being in FULL control of it or not. Although, I like the setup on Twit and think it is a great setup for Gillmor Gang which Steve will probably realise when he calms down - as he was pretty emotional on the show - although, remember it will be down to Mike (and Leo) at the end of the day and I don't think that they'll move it from Twit. Personally, I hope they don't.
- Nicholas James
If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech?
- David J. Garcia
from twhirl
Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too.
- Alberto Saavedra
Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway
- Andy
i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews.
- Dave Martin
dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run
- Chris Heath
Can I download the show somewhere?
- Wo
dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole
- Chris Heath
Downloads available here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience...
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- Chris Heath
as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps?
- Matt Hall
Yeah, but he's unboxed a Pre at this point so... yeah :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-)
- jccalhoun
jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;)
- Matt Hall
If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears...
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- Jonathan Langdale
Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: http://www.npr.org/blogs...
- Matt Hall
Dave: Mike posted an appology on Techcrunch
- Nicholas James
Most entertaining GG moment ever!
- Douglas
I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit.
- Amac
This one is rapidly heading for 1500 comment territory... http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Jay Cuthrell
Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people...
- Hamish MacEwan
Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0
- Erle Stride
Erle: You can only see the voice recording but they are located here http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... thanks to http://friendfeed.com/jackx1
- Nicholas James
Thank you Nicholas
- Erle Stride
it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear a flippant remark from Arrington anytime a serious Apple competitor is brought into the conversation. Good for you Leo, he seriously needed a lesson in humility amd you delivered masterfully
- jcunwired
Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support!
- John - becomingamac.com
I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room.
- Matt Matthews
it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup....
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- Tobias Lewsadder
Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more.
- jccalhoun
I'm sure Leo said that if someone came to the studio he'd be happy for them to host
- Nicholas James
As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument.
- Dave Wallace
Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct.
- Phil Essing
Phil: Leo appologised on the 2nd Gillmor Gang and Mike appologised on a Techcrunch post.
- Nicholas James
Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place.
- Phil Essing
I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio
- Erle Stride
This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo!
- Jim Graham
Leo should install a big red kill button that cuts to re-runs for these cases or the occasional wardrobe malfunction.
- KyleHase
Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not just dead air, I guess. Hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
Two tribal leaders collide... which one do you choose as a role model for your kids?
- randulo
We love you Leo!
- Imran Idris
Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama.
- Jamie
Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an...
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- Karoli
+1 Karoli
- Brad Kligerman
The answer is clear. John C. Dvorak should be added to the mix. The TWiT+GG+CG trifecta would be the driving cat.
- Jay Cuthrell
arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too.
- Karoli
1164 comments. woah
- Tyler Gillies
a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
go @bwana, right arm! Yeah folks, Leo is human, he's still the brightest light around, no one has as much culture or as wide a knowledge of so much. He's like the opposite of FoxNews
- randulo
I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol.
- Jamie
just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
1171 comments on one FF post...........that's got to be a record!
- mark dekruyter
http://tiny.cc/0diXG Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random."
- Andy
@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs.
- Brad Kligerman
BradKligerman .... you are right..I'll just say, I appreciate Leo Laporte taking the "high road"...it says alot. It's his show, and in that moment, he had enough of the blatant, uncontrolled, self promotion techniques of some guests, in this case, Mike A.
- mark dekruyter
The G.G. show has always had a different feel or flavor to it: this blowup might have been inevitable...the tone of G.G. is so different than Twit.
- mark dekruyter
WOW!!! Leo said a bad word.
- Joe Demartino
...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content.
- Brad Kligerman
That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the Last.fm RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized.
- Kevykev
The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did.
- MIQAL
Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work!
- Anant Gairola
Had a feeling it would be busy here.................
- Kevin J Hatton
Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see.
- Jim Posner
karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did...
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- Tobias Lewsadder
This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see http://friendfeed.com/ffacepa...
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or...
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- Karoli
wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one
- Bob
keyboard cat #2 on digg.com http://digg.com/gadgets... I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it.
- Thomas McGivern
Loren Feldman's video response is good.
- Stephen M. Otto
Way to go Leo.
- Ryan Grier
The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on http://live.twit.tv.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment?
- Michael Metz
Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free.
- Stephen M. Otto
Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean.
- Rustic Thoughts
Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin"
- Rustic Thoughts
I love the intro music....
- Rustic Thoughts
hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok
- daveccorey
I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self.
- Hamilton Wallace
historic like the inauguration?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump?
- Hamilton Wallace
Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!!
- Jim Corkrum
We can haz FF entry for TWiT?
- Ken Sheppardson
thanks to Denise we will in a second ken
- Chris Heath
I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit.
- MarK
I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom.
- Karoli
Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole.
- Samuel Cohen
is that my denise!!?
- jeneane sessum
(still watching)
- jeneane sessum
Wow... that Bing video search is... let's just say the secure web gateway market just got a nice pop.
- Jay Cuthrell
I came to all this late, but from what I've seen, there were quick apologies between the principles involved, why did any(every)one feel the need to get on a side and rail against one or the other when in fact, the 2 people involved pretty quickly made their peace.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy.
- Ken Sheppardson
If Leo and Arrington were to war, I'd back Leo without question, but they made nice pretty quick. I can't stand Arrington and think the spitter had the right idea (spitting isn't real violence, just a sign of respect) but now everyone went and pushed him out of this sphere, which lessens it. Without the other side, this will become an echo chamber. We'll all start congratulating each other for pushing the water closer to the shore: http://www.zefrank.com/theshow...
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, that's the nature of news. Breaking news goes viral but the follow-ups often do not. The live-web amplifies this sequence.
- KyleHase
In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG.
- Sam Ellis
Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it.
- Adam Deem
I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): http://tinyurl.com/l2vmyf
- Linton Davies
ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind
- Richard Thomson
My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: http://bit.ly/aKZUc But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take...
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- Dale Dietrich
Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful...
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- Jason Miller
Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second.
- Karoli
Got here from TechCrunch. FriendFeed: ".. the nearest thing to Shangri-La for mob justice enthusiasts.".
- Marisa Duma
My. That's interesting. iTunes 8.2 thinks my Pre is an iPod.
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LOL.
- Zee.
Whoa! Omg Leo I can't wait to hear all about the Pre.
- Lise
Welcome to the controversy :)
- Bwana ☠
Unbuntu always thinks my HTC Diamond is an Ipod
- Patrick Dwyer
Funny strange, Leo. Funny strange.
- Callie
Heck Leo the iphone guys designed it to do that. I read it would be seemless. I wonder about any apple infringement? I'm sure they thought it through
- Rock
anyone know when the pre comes to australia?
- Bill Thomas
Looking forward to getting my Palm Pre
- Dustin Sherrill
I wonder how long it will take Apple to send out an iTunes update to shut this down. My guess, two weeks at most.
- Michael Groner
Oh that's awesome.
- Bobby Lacey
It has to be a bug in the file. That's what I'm thinking.
- Callie
Are you using Windows 7? I have heard a number of people mention this today but they were all using W7.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
very interesting..
- victed
Sounds like the Pre has an identity crisis. ☺
- Jim Lecter
Now Leo I still maintain you recommended the Storm and I hope you don't do this to me again. Please. Don't get mad I just hang on your recommendations and just maybe I heard wrong.
- Rock
Awesome... Wonder if Apple will have anything to say about this.
- Jeff Matchett
Well it's supposed to. The USB identifier is the same as an iPod.
- Dave Zawislak
Leo were you already on live playing with the Pre? If not, come on live, I wanna see you testing it out live!
- Lise
Yes leo.. here's what's happening there http://bit.ly/YPUuP .. Engadget reported couple days ago http://bit.ly/B9lle
- Divya Mistry
WOW....FriendFeed is awesome!
- Anthony Campbell
Does the handset feel cheap? Every review I've seen so far said that the sliding mechanism felt loose.
- Ryan Whitwam
rock: didnt leo strongly dislike the storm.
- Anton Tanderup
I'm headed to the sprint store now and demanding one today. I know they have it in stock now. If I succeed I will let you know
- Rock
That's probably a bad move on Palm's part. They should've done what other 3rd party players did get an ID instead of trying to pretend to be an iPod. I bet Apple could take legal action on this issue and win.
- Mack McCoy
I bet this will last until the next system update from Apple :)
- Bryan Lyle
Crazy - wonder if Apple is going to drop the hammer on this soon? Can Palm be sued under the DMCA for this?
- Mike
Wow, Leo, welcome to last week's news: http://is.gd/Pxqp
- John Callaback
I bet Apple reacts within a week
- russellcoleman
Not at all Ryan. It feels great. Palm has hit a home run. I think there are some software flaws - it could be a tad more responsive - but those are easily fixed. I'm buying one tomorrow.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, will you buy me one tomorrow?
- Trad Robinson
Have heard other people say the same. The Pre Hack
- Asgeir
OMG, you have a pre, Canada gets them tomorrow, so Ya!.
- Zachary TG
Presumably this is only non-drm content (in particular no video from your itunes catalog)?
- Dominic
On the Mac. I had read the news reports John, but I wanted to verify it with an actual Pre. Until then it's speculation.
- Leo Laporte
Wow
- Nicholas James
This looks very exciting, but I still think 8gb/lack of expansion card slot will come back to haunt them.
- charles
What do you think of the keyboard?
- Matthew
I'm sure Leo will talk plenty about the Pre on Tomorrow's radio show.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Uh oh, I'm staying away from this one :)
- jcunwired
I would stay away from an iTunes 8.3 update
- Glenn Trtanj
I headed to buy one now I know they have them in the stores. You think they will cave if I make a big enough stink??
- Rock
Leo's buying a Pre tomorrow? OK, let's all wait a couple of weeks before buying - there's a secret Palm Pre 2.0 coming... ;)
- Andy Bold
I agree let's wait at least 6 weeks after Leo has done a few shows on it. Since he is headed on Vacation again we have to wait. AHHHHHHHHHHH
- Rock
Now I'm glad I didn't push that update just yet!
- ryanmgeeks
Now I want a PrePod!
- Kurt Carty
What Glenn said :)
- Brett Kelly
Thats the link to a 3D spinning version of the Palm Pre
- Rock
Leo you on live? Show us Show us C'mon
- Rock
Apple fail? or PreFail?
- Charles Naut
Charles it's an Apple Fail ;)
- Nicholas James
Leo you have Paul Thurott on now... Get on line show us.
- Rock
Nicholas. Disagree. How could this not be intellectual theft? All the Palm did was hire a hundred fifty Apple people. Rubenstein must've taken some magic Apple dust with him, too. I hope the lawyers don't give Palmista's too many nightmares.
- Phil Boiarski
Looks like photos, unprotected music, and podcasts sync. Not Audible books.
- Leo Laporte
I don't think an iTunes update is going to bork this. If iTunes is recognising iPods based on USB IDs, and the Pre is pushing an iPod USB ID for it's mass storage device, then iTunes updates won't be able to do anything about it without breaking compatibility with iPods that use this USB ID. Taking Palm to court, on the other hand, might do the same thing from a different direction.
- Andy Bold
There's a PalmPre Unboxing on the schedule for 9pm (Pacific) tonight.
- Matthew
ZOMG! I need a pre yesterday!
- Ray
Playing with the SDK before getting to touch the device is all I can do at the moment. Poor me.
- lisa padilla
lol - that's hilarious. wake up iTunes!
- Jennifer
@Matthew, I think he unboxed it already, the time on the schedule is in UTC I think.
- charles
correct... it was just before TWiF today...
- Chris Heath
ahh, curse you time zones!
- Matthew
Hate to intrude, but isn't Gillmor Gang supposed to be on right now? Since, like, half an hour ago?
- Vlad Bobleanta
the schedule has The GG slotted for tomorrow at 3pm pacific
- Chris Heath
Chris: Thanks, when I checked a few hours ago it was slotted today at 4:30 pacific. I checked again now and it has indeed changed.
- Vlad Bobleanta
I still see it on 11:30pm UTC on the twit desktop app.
- charles
charles, i'm still using the old v1.5 version of the twit live air app but it says tomorrow at 10utc
- Chris Heath
Palm Pre looks pretty,i may have to buy one. thanks to leo :)
- John
Old news.
- Matt Ruiz
pre unboxing is rebroadcasting now
- Matthew
Leo: Do you think the Palm Pre is going to be good competition against the iPhone?
- Jason Hansen
With only 8GB's of storage, who cares if it syncs with iTunes. Not like I'd be using it as an iPod.
- Jeff Self
Just thing of all the money apple can make from Palm Pre sales
- Brian Cowie
I was able to get my hands on a Pre for an hour yesterday. As an iphone owner since day 1 I'm very impressed. It has all the glitz and glamour of the iphone with the 2.0 software. ( plus cut, copy and paste and the ability to run multiple apps. Oh yeah and a dedicated keyboard too. All the features worked really well, especially synergy. The calendar app on the Pre makes the iphones implementation look like a really bad try.
- Micheal Weihrouch
that's pretty funny Leo! It looks like a great device. Can't wait too hear what you think about it.
- Kevin M Lindow
Ahh...Assimilate. Well done Apple.
- Mark Krynsky
Yea it is suppose to be able sync (for now) I think. I seem to remember reading something about it.
- Shawn Snodgrass
The Pre USB hack also includes the fact it is made by Palm in the USB ID so it would be easy for Apple to block it. DVD John discovered how they did it
- Iain
Maybe Apple bought out Palm... :P
- Arnold
Oohhhh, Leo... If you can copy DRM free music to the Pre, is Palm condoning piracy?? ;)
- Stan Augustyniewicz
Stan, DRM free music is music that doesn't have DRM (like the amazon store, the iTunes store since the recent change, and other music stores) Loe was just saying that his DRM music didn't transfer over to the Pre
- Chris Heath
Hey, Leo, can you and/or the cottage crew do some sort of evaluation on Palm Pre battery life vs number of apps running in the background?
- Stan Augustyniewicz
from BuddyFeed
Yeah... I don't think Apple are going to let that one slide...
- aminorjourney
*Your* Pre Leo? I thought you just had it on loan for review purposes for a week?
- David Bradley
I'm in the front row of the Twitter Conference in Mountain View #140tc Here's EVERYTHING you need to follow it: - http://parnassusgroup.com/twitter...
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Here's the main conference URL: http://parnassusgroup.com/twitter...
- Robert Scoble
I will be live blogging the conference here.
- Robert Scoble
No video feeds?
- Simon Wicks
Right now I'm sitting next to Steve Broback, who runs the conference. It sold out, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
It's the only conference (TechCrunch reported that there's actually six Twitter conferences) that Twitter is semi officially supporting. Alex Payne, API Lead at Twitter, is speaking this morning.
- Robert Scoble
I am watching the live stream coming from the conference and will click "like" on any Tweet that has a really great point. That way you can see the stream with less noise than you'll see in the search above. Here's a search for #140tc but with display set to only show Tweets and other items with one like or more: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Just how many people are there also blogging or tweeting the conference?
- Robert Freeze
The first speech, by Alex Payne, Twitter's API lead, starts at 9 a.m. Pacific Time, which is about one and a half hours from now.
- Robert Scoble
I want to swim in the pool instead of tweeting
- Jacque
Are you only talking about a live stream of twitter and friendfeed messages? Or is there an actual live video stream going to be available from somewhere? If someone would post a live ustream, kyte or such stream from the conference, that would be cool!
- Charbax
Robert Freeze: there are more than 300 people here (or will be in about an hour). I'd expect most of them to be Twittering the conference, so anything that Alex Payne says will probably be repeated many many times. Having filters is going to be very important to be able to find the "needles" in the haystack that is headed our way in real time.
- Robert Scoble
Charbax: Andru Edwards is shooting video of the sessions but we're not sure it'll be streamed live. I'll try to turn on my Kyte cam if they don't, at least for Alex Payne's speech.
- Robert Scoble
There's an article about Twitter on the front page of USA Today, by the way.The article is at http://www.usatoday.com/tech...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for doing this, Robert! I hope some cool stuff is talked about and shared :)
- Sam Houston
I'm with Sam - thanks - I wish I was there.
- Robert Freeze
Excellent day is done here so can follow this undisturbed :) I am seriously interested in hearing if Alex Payne says anything about their spam issues. Tx Robert looking forward to updates
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Peter: I'm sure that will come up.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: quick question before the action starts here. You covering Google I/O from tomorrow?
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Robert has said he will cover Google I/O, I can't wait. It's the point Google is going to launch a Twitter/friendfeed killer app, an Intel/Microsoft killer Android OS for netbooks, a TV/Cinema killer Youtube HD monetization plan, a hosting provider killer in PHP support for Google App Engine, a Facebook killer in updated Google Friend Connect and Google Open Social and an iphone/nokia killer in Android 2.0
- Charbax
Looks like we're in for an exciting two days then!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Peter: I should be there in the morning, but won't be covering everything. You will have TONS of news from there. I am sure it'll be hard to avoid for the next two days. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Steve Broback just opened the conference here. So will have more soon.
- Robert Scoble
Alex Payne is showing off the early days and explaining how he got to Twitter. The stories are all out there, unfortunately not enough bandwidth here for live video streaming. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Oh well, we trust you to bring us the best stuff :)
- Simon Wicks
no updates in a hour Robert?
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Sorry Capn: you should have watched the search. I live reported here http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
no worries - I found it!
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Is twitter going to support OpenMicroBlogging protocol? There should be public pressure for them to adopt this, and adopt federation with other OMB capable services
- Jon
here's another proposal, quit enabling url shortening. This trend is breaking the web, and it sets users up for a bad experience. There are two options that come to mind, either take URL data out of the message and into a separate structured data field just for URL data, or just get rid of the arbitrary 140 character limit.
- Jon
I'll take Door #1, Jon!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
while they're at it, they can add data fields for just about anything, such as location or hashtags. these really don't belong in the message do they?
- Jon
To clarify, people who are interacting with Twitter via an SMS-only interface have no use for links anyway, why not strip them out and only make them available as supplementary metadata for API/web clients
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
or http://140tc.tweetmeme.com - for the best stories, videos and pictures from the conference
- Nick Halstead
In case you're curious, that's "Nick Halstead of TweetMeme". http://blog.tweetmeme.com/2009...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, correct! :)
- Nick Halstead
My first Flickr video -- taking off from Half Moon Bay airport - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Make sure you set the video to "HD" quality. I shot this with my Canon 5D Mark II camera with Thomas Hawk's 14mm F2.8 lens. There's a spec of dirt on it, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
I have another video from dreammachines09 where we fly over the cars here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
You can see Mike Doeff's video of the day (including the plane we rode in) here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Nice video, bet it was fun to fly in a vintage aircraft.
- JimmyJet
Jimmy: it was a blast. Especially since they took us around the airport twice, each time dipping low toward the runway and then taking us up suddenly, which shoved us deep into our seats. Then the pilot pushed the stick foward and we flew off our seats, temporarily weightless. What a roller coaster!
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm seriously jealous. I'm a roller coaster enthusiast and would have loved this. Be sure and invite me next time you guys go on an adventure ;)
- Erica OGrady
45 Pros You Should Be Following on Twitter - http://www.blogtrepreneur.com/2009...
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Any list I'm on isn't a good list, but there's some other good Twitter accounts here as well.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Robert, I think you brought the site down. Cant get to it
- Sameer
Same here.
- Brandon Titus
Sameer: that's my job. Bringing sites down so that they need to increase their hosting. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Here's the partial feed, no help at all: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/blogtre...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
would love to "like" this - but the site is completely unresponsive - do we have to start to account for the "Robert Rangers" or "Scoble's Scourge" like Leo has with his Twit Army?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert needs a personalized URL shortener to Coralize all of his links before he shares them. http://www.coralcdn.org/plugins... Too bad that would probably ruin the recipient's SEO.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yep can't get to it!
- Ashu Joshi
Site scobleized. Worse than digg effect or slashdot.
- scott
Still down nice... it is the top 45 pros so maybe the other 44 brought it down!
- Richard Gallo
Robert Scoble, too many lives for one agent.. you're next James Bond for sure :)
- CantorJF
GuyKawasaki ? - rant is here - http://outspokenmedia.com/interne...
- shayne catrett
OurDoings has survived Scobleizing well so far, aside from a bug (fixed) that only showed under high load.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
what's a "good" twitterer? i mean, really?? someone out there uses 140 characters better than someone else? these lists, in a word, suck.
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: they might suck, but I definitely have noticed that some people are much better at Twittering than other people.
- Robert Scoble
What's a "good" poet? Someone who uses N syllables better than someone else? Yes.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
i think it's more appropriate to say: "there are some people whose twittering I prefer than others". *you* have different needs and interests for twitter than I do, so claiming they are "better at it" is only relevant to your tastes.
- Jeremy Toeman
You and Groucho Marx, eh Robert ;o)
- Ken Morley
Good list, my recommendation though is to follow people who are in areas that you are interested in, if you follow people simply because they are on a list or are the most followed then you will probably not find twitter very compelling.
- Kim Landwehr
There are only a few people on this list actually building interesting new technology. The rest make up a peanut gallery...artists excluded.
- Ryan
Ryan, that type of person you'd want to follow on FF anyway, not twitter.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Robert: re: Sameer: that's my job. Bringing sites down so that they need to increase their hosting. :-) > I see a bonus check coming your way :)
- Sameer
I'm looking for a bookmarklet that search for a Twitter user nickname in Friendfeed friends search.
- Jérôme Flipo
Dead Pixel in Google Earth - http://www.helmutsmits.nl/english...
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“82 x 82 cm burned square, the size of one pixel from an altitude of 1 km.”
- Evan Brown
from Bookmarklet
you'd have to keep this there for a long time! did it ever make it into google earth?
- sean percival
It's a great idea. Like the wedding proposition on that building I saw. This one's more geek-related.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
leolaporte: Transition to BitGravity is complete. Skypesaurus audio is working. Knox video switcher is online. I think I can go to bed. Night all! - http://army.twit.tv/notice...
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nite
- Dean
I started off the night on ustream and worked fine...sometime during the night it went down. Just checked bitgravity...no joy. Stickam is still working though which is my least favorite streaming source.
- N5XL
There's a delay in the audio on Bitgravity, hard to watch.
- Philippe Guitard
FYI... calendar is blocked by video player on twit.tv.. bitgravity audio level is low
- johnny frederiksen
whats the url to get bitgravity on VLC ... anyone know?
- Chip Duford
Thanks again, Eric
- Chip Duford
No problem.
- Eric Geller
Anyone know why the bitgravity stream on VLC aspect ratio is off? Is it something on My end? or Leo's?
- Chip Duford
Is there a way to watch the BitGravity stream on Boxee?
- Ken Wiesner
Answered my own question! Works PERFECTLY on Boxee! Just added the popup window url to the custom sources and the bitgravity player loads right up!
- Ken Wiesner
Any way to get BG stream to iPhone?
- Christopher Aloi
from Nambu
Night! Take Care.. :)
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from Nambu
Yay! Glad you got it all completed. I'm ready for TWiT tomorrow! Woo! Leo, you are my Sundays! (Btw, I never did run my errands or do my chores a few Sundays ago. heh But you're a better Sunday choice.
- Lise
Now with BitGravity - http://twit.tv/2009...
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Maybe you could ask the developer of the TWiT Live Desktop to integrate an options panel where users can select which stream they'd like: Ustream, Stickam, or BitGravity.
- Eric Geller
Great solution, much better than Stickam.
- Nigel Kitchen
BG really sucks in The Netherlands, keeps buffering, audio is out of sync on Ustream
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Same thing in Canada...
- Philippe Guitard
Thanks to BitGravity I can stream from my iphone to my laptop anywhere in my country even in train!! Simply AWESOME!!!!
- Royant
I love the new popout. It's perfect in Chrome as an application shortcut. Now I have an instant "Leo on my desktop" that hangs off to the side while I'm working.
- Amac
I'm sure this has been asked already somewhere, but will there be a unified chat below the video at some point on live.twit.tv?
- techky
Neat, but its pretty skippy/wonky.
- Andrew Leahey
One Billionth App Store download nears and Apple is having MASSIVE Give-away. WOW. - http://www.techradar.com/news...
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A single lucky winner will receive a 17-inch MacBook Pro, an iPod Touch 32GB, a $10,000 (£6850) iTunes Gift Certificate and an Apple Time Capsule.
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
I don't think I could spend $10000 on iTunes
- Benjamin Golub
How can you not?!
- Mona Nomura
That's a lot of music! Plus I don't have an iPhone
- Benjamin Golub
Do free apps count? It'd be interesting to see the spike in downloads as people hear about this...
- Dan Hsiao
@Benjamin, I could *easily* spend $10k on iTunes. It might take me a couple of years, but I could definitely do it.
- Joey Gibson
Dan: "Every application downloaded will count as separate entry (up to 25 a day) and non-iPhone owners can enter at the Apple website. Basically, you're looking at about a 70 million to one shot to win, so don't go holding your breath"
- Mona Nomura
from IM
This just made my day.
- Mona Nomura
I am going to win this. Don't even try, Mona.
- Louis Gray
I already won the donut contest - this will be mine, too!
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
what donut contest? the dunkin donut contest?
- Alfredo
That is so cool! Don't think I will win, but kudos to Apple for giving back to the users. Good luck to everyone of you!
- Mats
wait, i think i saw this movie... "Willy Wonka & the iTunes Store?" and the winners tour the Apple Campus? and they're all snotty Apple fanbois except for, like, one boy with a good heart?
- Karim
I wouldn't call a ~$13k giveaway... to one person... "MASSIVE". I'd sooner take my infinite:1 chances on Powerball -- at least I can hope for a few million after taxes if I win.
- Sean O
Uh... They're giving away more than 13k, unless you totaled the cash value in pesos?
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
A MB Pro is only 2800 now?! I paid double for mine. Maaaaan. Ignorance is bliss.
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
RIM Snipes iPhone Designer: http://www.lockergnome.com/osx... (I think they're going to need more than that.)
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