Impressed that you hand-coded the capturing, I wouldn't know where to start
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
We're honored to be your first guinea pig for the screencasting :) You should do this often.
- Ethan Gahng
greta video - got straight to the point :)
- Riaz Kanani
Hi Louis Thanks for the heads up about Lazyfeed. I have tried to register but it needs an invitation code. Can you or anyone in your network please let me know what I should put in? Thanks
- Jane Finch
Very well done, I now have a better understanding of how it works. Anymore invites? Thanks
- Mo Hall
why doesn't Lazyfeed have a feed for FF?
- Thomas Power
Thomas, Lazyfeed's founders are just now getting to understand FriendFeed better. Maybe with time.
- Louis Gray
LazyFeed looks great.! Thanks for this video Louis, super interesting (I like your fast pace too). Would love an invite if you have 1.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Hi, thanks everyone for your interest in Lazyfeed. We are excited to tell you that we will be releasing more invite codes via Twitter today. To receive your invite, please follow @lazyfeed on twitter and we will DM you an invite code. This invitation will expire midnight PST. Thank you!
- Lazyfeed
I will have to check this out. I admit that the point of it was not immediately obvious the first few times I used it.
- Bill Kinney
Louis, thanks for this wonderful quick tutorial. I am off to experimenting with Lazyfeed now. I wonder how you use it in conjunction with GReader, since I also find you sharing lot of stuff on GReader as well.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Awesome demo, finally got a chance to watch it.
- Bill Kinney
Love lazyfeed so far, but it won't connect with my Twitter acct even after I set up and click connect - only Flicr, etc..Anyone else have this issue.
- Liza
Liza - I've just tried connecting your twitter to my lazyfeed and it seems to be successfully bringing tags like lazyweb, trip, techkaraoke, etc. Please try again. Thanks.
- Ethan Gahng
Now that is GREAT customer service, Ethan. Thanks.. I want to learn more about lazyweb and ppl interacting from lazyfeed. Seeing it from my google dev friends. Any ideas?
- Liza
Very nice video here. I will use this to share with all my people. Thanks Louis.
- Amani
"If you can't install Google Chrome and you must use Internet Explorer, there's a way to use Google Chrome's rendering engine inside IE: Google Chrome Frame. After installing the plug-in, you can test it by adding cf: in front of any URL from the address bar. Google Chrome Frame is an interesting option for the developers that write web applications and use HTML or CSS features that are available in any modern browser, except IE."
- Arnaldo M Pereira
from Bookmarklet
Amazing level of transparency and detail about their custom storage servers. HN discussion at http://news.ycombinator.com/item... (discusses why this is appropriate for backup, but perhaps not generic storage needs)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
45 drives per unit and many units means they must be constantly replacing failed hard drives - just due to the sheer quantity of them in use
- Jacob Old
It wasn't entirely clear to me from the blog post what you have to do to replace a drive. Looks like at minimum you have to remove the unit from the rack, and I don't see any drawer guides or similar to assist with that. And do they have to take the unit offline to replace a single drive?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Geez. Back in 1998, Microsoft was bragging about their 1 TB cloud... :-) Millions of $ then I think.
- Mitchell Tsai
One happy Backblaze customer checking in.
- Russellreno
sounds neat - now what to do with 67 TB of storage...
- Matt Ellsworth
Seriously Matt! Lots and Lots and Lots of video? HD video!
- Rick Cogley
So, they store their data "securely" in Palo Alto? That makes me scared.
- Jonas S Karlsson
Quoted from blog- "Backblaze Storage Pods are building blocks upon which a larger system can be organized that doesn’t allow for a single point of failure." They have indicated an amazing amount of cost savings.
- Wins Fern
Mitchell: I don't think 1TB was "millions of dollars" in 1998.
- Steve de Mena
Nice idea. Pity that it only supports a HTTPS interface, not surprising at that cost though (the software that runs the filesystems on the NetApp and other devices isn't exactly cheap to write). Anyone see if they quoted transfer speeds? I'm wondering what impact the four SATA cards each with SATA multipliers on them has when it comes to access speeds.
- Russ
Steve: according to http://www.littletechshoppe.com/ns1625... disk cost ~$0.08 / mb in 1998, which comes out to >$800,000 for 1 TB or just over a million bucks in todays dollars. so maybe not millions, but a million!
- Karl Rosaen
Russ: It runs Debian. If you were rolling your own (and they don't sell these units), you could turn on NFS or some other protocol (CIFS, iSCSI). They only use HTTP because it's cloud storage. NFS license is a major expense on NetApp, but all the major Linux distributions can act as NFS servers, CIFS servers, and probably iSCSI targets.
- Andy Dustman
Andy: I know that you could do that on them but it leaves the problem of what to do with the storage. You could merge the 3 volumes into an LVM VG but the performance could become an issue with any load on it. It seems I wasn't the only one to question the performance, while the views of a Sun engineer aren't exactly unbiased it does highlight some of the downsides: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archive...
- Russ
Fascinating article; but more questions: "In rough terms, every time one of our customers buys a hard drive, Backblaze needs another hard drive." -- so what happens when a drive fails; how much redundancy is there? What happens when a meteorite destroys the whole building; is there off site backup too? (I know this *is* the off-site backup, but still...) I wonder how much data flows in and out over time. Maybe I should just read their website.
- Rob Fisher
Rob: they mention using 15 drive RAID6 volumes that can lose up to 2 drives before failure
- Mike Chelen
The worst part about this cluster design is the fact that I couldn’t shut up about it for the first couple days after finding out about it. It was the solution I proposed to every problem. There were complaints.
- A Mitchell
IMO RAID6 is not that great. Granted, it's highly unlikely to lose 3 drives at the same time, but there's still possibility. Besides, for write-intensive app, parity calculation is quite time-consuming. I personally prefer RAID 10 (striped array of RAID1 pairs). Yes the effective usable space is less than half total capacity, but for backups -- which will sooner or later be used to restore something -- I prefer data integrity over usage efficiency.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
IMO RAID6 is not that great. Granted, it's highly unlikely to lose 3 drives at the same time, but there's still possibility. Besides, for write-intensive app, parity calculation is quite time-consuming. I personally prefer RAID 10 (striped array of RAID1 pairs). Yes the effective usable space is less than half total capacity, but for backups -- which will sooner or later be used to restore something -- I prefer data integrity over usage efficiency.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
My shares already come to FriendFeed, as you know, and I won't be sending them to any other network (until forced). But appreciate the how-to.
- Louis Gray
Is there a keyboard shortcut for the new "send to" feature in Google Reader?
- Jesse Stay
Does this speed up the transfer? I've noticed the past 2 days have been a little laggy getting here.
- Courtney Engle
So when I using this method try to "send to" Ff - It takes me to FF and just pastes the URL of that feed item into a posting box. Is that proper behavior?
- Matthew DeVries
Yep. Similar to the behavior with other engines. You can then add other rooms etc (something not possible with regular sharing AFAIK)
- Deepak Singh
Wonder if there is a way to get it to open and drop it into the bookmarklet instead of Ff proper.
- Matthew DeVries
So what is the code to send it to a particular room? If I wanted it to flow in the public FF I would just click 'share'.
- Paul Arterburn
Whoa, sharing to a particular room would be epic :) Would probably have to create a shortcut code for each room instead of multiple rooms...
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Ya, I really just have one group for this - public share or private share among close friends (private FF room). That would also let me DM the link to a FF user if I wanted a *really* private share.
- Paul Arterburn
AFAIK sending to a Room is a bit painful. I tag the item in GReader. Then subscribe to that tag's RSS in the FreindFeed Room. A little laborious to set up, but quick when sending - you just tag. And wtih GReader's pubsubhubhub they show up in Room immediately.
- Nick in Manila
Including replies? because I really can't stand full signatures on email replies. If there's a lot of back and forth, the signature just adds clutter and gets in the way of the content. I like it on the first email in the exchange and then a perhaps a shortened version thereafter.
- pea
Pea, I think that depends on the user's Outlook settings. It is optional.
- Louis Gray
But in terms of getting the message across that this company is connected, yes, this setup certainly makes that very clear.
- pea
Oh if only Gmail allowed some HTMLy signatures! :(
- Travis Koger
GMail receives the sig just fine. Tested there and .Mac and Outlook.
- Louis Gray
So in other words, they don't "get" e-mail? :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
If I saw an email signature like this, I'd click on all of the links just to see how active they are. Some people have all these accounts but aren't active, so what's the point? But of course this doesn't apply to you Louis. I'm just saying in general.
- Violet Mae Lim
Violet, these are active. I promise. :)
- Louis Gray
Robert, why show favoritism to Google? There's little actual social happening there so far.
- LogEx
But why make them click twice? That would just annoy me. EDIT: Also, I could maybe understand if the company didn't have its own site, but it does, why send them away from their own home on the web and give Google all that traffic?
- pea
Logical: I'm just having some fun with Louis. I personally hate tons of icons on things. So complicated. How do I pick? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
At some point, will you discuss the Paladin Advisor's Group more fully?
- DGentry
Robert has a free pass to tease or criticize anything I do. It's 100% fair game. I think Google Profiles aren't known well for folks to click through to yet. That said, Robert, bring it on. Here's the company's profile: http://www.google.com/profile...
- Louis Gray
And DGentry, yes, we can talk about Paladin soon. Promise.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I'm curious about the rationale for putting the Twitter link above the company website in the Google Profile?
- LogEx
LE: None. That's been fixed. :) Probably not thinking too much about it.
- Louis Gray
Logical: Twitter is the new website.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, e-mail is dead. It is also required in order to create an account on how many Web sites!?! I think I was required to link my OpenID account to an e-mail address. So much for Identitiy 2.0....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Louis - I like the links on the home page, but EVERY employee gets that? I can tell you that lots of storage people are going to be scared by all of the "interwebs" stuff. I <3 the Emulex guys and know they're trying to update their image, but I'd think that most of them have bigger issues that learning to explain what FriendFeed and SlideShare are when people look at them funny.
- Stuart Miniman
Stu, I think I should use the word "optional". It's optional to everyone and every e-mail. And it's fine if some conservative industries aren't ready yet. It's time to shake it up.
- Louis Gray
Is it using Wisestamp? Very nice. FYI - Wisestamp is free, works w/ Gmail, Posterous, even the links.
- Liza
Is this seriously your sig for emails? Bit busy don't you think? Wouldn't a push to their website that has the actual list be a better use of that space? Also with email clients that don't do HTML its going to be lost.
- CW™
The nice thing about Wisestamp is you can delete the icons in gmail, if it is going to someone who you think has no idea what Slideshare is. Otherwise, wd be a pain.
- Liza
In my training of employees on how to do a Email Signature, (where the corp hasn't stated a standard) is to plan for plain text clients. Have your information there. Do one font only and stick to that. Nothing fancy in the font either. Get the information there so that the recipients can contact you or get more information about you. Company Logo's are only if you really need them. Key thing is to provide a sort of Business Card (information how to get a hold of you) at the bottom of emails.
- CW™
I tend to fall into the plain text camp. my signature is as follows: " -- 505.652.2878 http://sarahvela.net @orchid8 everywhere"
- Call me Bronco
All the hyperlinks scream I'm spam & it will likely be treated as such by many mail programs.
- Rick Frank
Rick, very good feedback. It will be considered.
- Louis Gray
Too much. Too busy. I'd get rid of the office line, the link to lousgray.com, and definitely the emulex logo. Anyway that's just my opinion :)
- Eric Florenzano
They get it better than I do. I have to admit, I do not recognize all of those icons as they do!
- Randy Rambo
Office and mobile phone? You need Google voice. I was able to get a cool number, (areacode) 4 Julio F
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Just a simple link to a homepage should be enough, small description about what you do, and phone numbers if you're into that kind of thing.
- Peter Stuifzand
Too many links in an email signature can cause the email to be flagged as spam. you need to test it out before using it. never can be 100% certain...
- Mike Nencetti
Are those custom icons, or something pulled from the web?
- Spencer
How does that degrade? Are there alt tags? Does the text/alternative or text/plain part properly remove the HTML and still preserve the pertinent information? Accessibility is just as if not more important than having something flashy IMHO. (Disclaimer: I use a text MUA and you'll get me to accept HTML mail sometime shortly after the sun suffers hydrogen exhaustion...)
- matthew john ernisse
yes but what's it mean? More is not bettter.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Personally, it seems way too cluttered to me. I would rather just have a link to a page on the company's website that lists all of their various connections. I'm almost as jaded to those icons as I am to banner ads. If I want to know about the company I will be looking at their website first, then their blog, then whatever other services interest me, but I'll always go to their website first. If that's not impressive then it doesn't really matter what they're doing in other spaces.
- Lindsay
they get it, but is it necessary? agree with others here that it's cluttered and sorta cliche already.
- Bill Kinney
Looks good to me. Simple. IMO, I would (1) bump name size +2 pts (2) maybe italicize title or choose different font, so it will jump out at you, but not as much as name (3) remove "www." from website. (4) I haven't seen this in real-life to look at overall point sizes. Often people's business cards need ALL pts sizes +2 to +4. As my 72-yr old Dad always reminds me, older people can't...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Simple and To The Point!!! The Purple " B" Logo...What Brand is That???
- @CtrlFollow
I had same question - never seen it!
- Susan Beebe
@louis - how'd you create a company google profile?
- andy brudtkuhl
Andy, A Google profile is just assigned to a GMail account. So if you create a centralized GMail account, you can make a company profile. This one, for example, is emulexinc@gmail.com. More on the strategy here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
I think if they are all business related and it is for marketing- why not. There is another app nomee.com that does a card also. It is flash based so won't work on the iphone
- Kathleen Cercone
So... look, Scoble. Here's the thing. The car is not yours any more. And I heard a rumor that this week's acquisition was just to silence you. So why is my driving experience not a Scoble-free one? :)
For the record, it's always great to hear from Robert. It's probably no surprise that when we've talked this week, it has been about FriendFeed. :)
- Louis Gray
CloneFeed Naming voting going on. Please weigh in here -->- http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll... RESHARE! get this post to your feeds so more folks can vote! : )
I like palstream too, but might suggest "streamshare", which I think has a nice ring to it.
- jcunwired
I like streamshare too, but domain is unavailable jcunwired. Not even .org.
- vijay
70 click throughs, 38 votes, palstream leads with 7, myopenfeed and clonefeed tied at 5. Watch ALL these stats blow through the roof when Kol gets online after work and posts it in his feed :D
- vijay
Guys, have a think what the idea is for the service. It's going to be open source and the content is going to be hosted by yourselves. For me MyOpenFeed.com works well for this.
- Kol Tregaskes
Let's go with this. It's hard to get enough people to vote in 2 polls.
- vijay
I think its no less than awesome of this idea! A lot of us are upset that FF may not be what it was, this clone will be quite soothing to the soul. I need to know how open I can be about this poll though before I present that in mass quantity... I have exposure to fb, ms, tw, ff, msnm, gm, a lot more.... just let me know... Thanks for doing this vijay :)
- Tim Tunnicliff
From the FF site: I think its no less than awesome of this idea! A lot of us are upset that FF may not be what it was, this clone will be quite soothing to the soul. I need to know how open I can be about this poll though before I present that in mass quantity... I have exposure to fb, ms, tw, ff, msnm, gm, a lot more.... just let me know... Thanks for doing this vijay :) - Tim J @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
[btw it's so easy to fake (for me... i mean for all of us who watch Hulu, Crunchyroll from outside US ;) ) ]
- minus-one
* locks up minus-one in a sound-proof room for the length of this poll. Turns on K-ON in the room TV *
- vijay
thanks Simon! Sorry about the eariler confusion : )
- vijay
I have two more suggestions. theopenstream.com and myopenstream.com. Those are both available I checked.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
myopenstream is already on the poll Mathew
- vijay
Oh I didn't see it. Guess I know which one is getting my vote.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Although I would also like to support openff. Kinda have a logo idea in my mind for it.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
your choice Mathew. Keep the service in mind though. You can design a good logo for any name.
- vijay
Vijay: this is what I've got on Twitter (from Børge (@forteller) who is Open Source ambassador in Norway):"Could you please ask vijay (seems like he's the one behind "clonefeed") to rather help out NoseRub than reinvent the wheel? or at least make it compatible with NoseRub (through OMB) so that we can subscribe to each other no matter which of them we use" - so that is what I am doing :-)
- Hanna Wiszniewska
wow Hanna thank you for the update! there's a lot of people behind this and I will relay this message to them. Thanks again! : )))
- vijay
You are welcome, it was my pleasure! - I think you could contact Børge - he will be happy to help out. He is @forteller on identica and Twitter (but prefers identica... ;-)
- Hanna Wiszniewska
will do Hanna! btw thanks for the identica tip. He doesn't play around does he? ; P
- vijay
Just wanna say thank you to everyone that is behind this, more than that--Thank you for not letting FF die as we have grown to know and love! :) Tim J @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
this is just the start Tim; it's a long journey so buckle up : )
- vijay
Buckled and fastened! I am intrigued and fascinated and my eyes will be super glued to this thread or any thread for that matter pertaining to this subject :D Tim J @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
Rochelle, yep a rerun of the top 5 would be cool, with discussion.
- Kol Tregaskes
no way Kol. let's finish this off instead of rehashing the whole thing over and over. two full days on just the name when people have not even figured out who's leading the team and the effort. Let's get this distraction over with and move on. we have the decisions of 112 people from 15 countries. That is more than sufficient for just the name. I bet even friendfeed didn't have this luxury when they came up with the name.
- vijay
I hope people are googling their name ideas before suggesting them. Optimally, you don't want any more than about 5 results for the name, and definitely don't want any results relating to any similar concepts.
- April Russo (app103)
I have a name suggestion that I think is catchy and captures the spirit of its essence. It's both a noun and a command: OpenFirehose
- April Russo (app103)
+1 openfirehose, April. after reading vijay's post calling for suggestions and then seeing the poll, I didn't really like any of the options. nor could I think of anything better. but openfirehose I can get behind.
- chrisofspades
I'm messing things up b/c the poll is set, but what about: feedhq.com ?
- Micah Wittman
domain taken Micah. I so wanna say squatters suck but first come first serve; it's how things roll. Practicing emotional restraint. :S
- vijay
Grrr. You're absolutely right, v. I only suggested it after I got no response with a direct http request (but I didn't do a whois lookup). My bad :(
- Micah Wittman
meh. even if it's hijacking, once the results are suspect, then there are many ways to deal with it. Let the poll run its course before coming to conclusions.
- vijay
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark Jepsen
Thank you Robert Scoble to be here. :) BTW is this looks interesting for FF replacement? : http://streamy.com/ ? May be... I'll try it to see. :)
- Claude LaFrenière
Why should I? Whats in it for me? You doing some sort of survey of people to send out the police to do a "Safety Check" on when the site is shutdown?
- CW™
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Yeah, me too. I just saw the request to have a comment link at the bottom of the comments from one of your friends just yesterday and here it is. I'd say they are listening. Thanks FF.
- Keith Rowland
превед кетаец! давай сегодня сделаем тебя счастливым!
- Махатма Бугоганди
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
точно! поэт, пародист, переводчик. известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Махатма Бугоганди
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Махатма Бугоганди
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
More than a friend of FriendFeed, was starting to use it as a full lifestreaming platform and loved it. It's made a whole lot of other sites make sense.
- achean
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Махатма Бугоганди
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Robert He says ; Our Russian friends say to hello to Turkey
- Osman Üngür
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- Er-fun
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Махатма Бугоганди
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I don't know how I rate my addiction relative to others, but I shared Hitler's reaction upon hearing the acquisition news (despite happiness for Paul and Bret)
- Chris Duffy
I think I have to qualify my earlier answer. I don't have many friends on Friendfeed, but I do use it as a news aggregator. With groups and rooms, I used it like Techmeme. Facebook, where i have a more healthy friend list is less interesting. In fact, I spend more time there locking things down, than sharing, which I did pretty freely on FF, even if only 10 people cared.
- Peter
Hope this deal preserves FF's power and usability. FF:FB::Mac:Windows.
- David Lounsbury
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
Well, here's a comment I can later delete and rob the owner of 1500!
- Matthew DeVries
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...
It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway)
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people.
- Dan Lessard
I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last.
- Ken Bauer
And we keep following Leo all over the place!
- Robert Scoble
When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken?
- Nate Pilling
so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams)
- abdellah
Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner!
- Elizabeth K. Barone
I hope you leave your standard breadcrumbs so we can find you in the next chapter of social interaction.
- jcunwired
Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service.
- Ken Sheppardson
But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making.
- Bill Rodman
Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means!
- Matt Cassem
I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments
- Mark
Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me.
- Fleagle
Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in.
- Leo Laporte
And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet.
- Leo Laporte
I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible.
- Louis Gray
^^^ replace "team" with "community" and there's my reason for sticking it out.
- jcunwired
Its also going to take a very long time to go through content and bookmark/store it elsewhere. Evernote is going to be used heavily in the weeks to come.
- jcunwired
The only way to have control is to use your own URL
- Craig Shipp
Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =)
- Cynthia Yildirim
what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out.
- Jordan Brock
from BuddyFeed
What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me.
- Craig B.
And many times you cheated Twitter, she was always loyal to you. Thats mean someting!
- Jacque
from f2p
yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them
- Thomas Power
Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :)
- Mrinal Desai
I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.)
- oliver gassner
I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later!
- Amy Flynn
very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one
- Bryce Campbell
Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again!
- Arleen Anderson
Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening.
- Anthony Marco
Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P
- Sam Ehsan
Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior.
- Paul Chaney
Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"...
- Dennis Jernberg
And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL
- Sandra Large
I think it's back to the TWiT Army!
- Paul Salzman
It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A.
- Steve de Mena
yep. welcome to another episode of; As the Stomach Turns. one big soap opera.
- Scratch5150
I've decided I'm not going to tell ANYONE which site I'm favoring... not even myself! I swear! As soon as I decided that FF was my new place (a couple months ago) THIS happens! It's like magic, but in a bad bad way...
- Mark Jepsen
Why do we all assume this is a bad thing? Maybe the FF Facebook combo will be better??
- Craig Shipp
Maybe they'll keep both open -- FF is the open side, and FB is the closed side.
- John Flinchbaugh
from IM
I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go.
- DogPatch
It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;)
- Shawn Zehnder Lea
한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :]
- HealingBrush
One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time...
- Aviva Gabriel
Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit...
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- Jan Simmonds
I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man".
- Mol, Santa Claws
@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be...
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- Lindsay
Leo, I hope you mention FriendFeed in your Dubai TED talk ! :) I'll try to be there !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you!
- Jan Simmonds
I'd like to reiterate my call for Facebook to open source the Friendfeed codebase (as AOL did when it bought Netscape). A federated OpenFriendfeed is the best for users - and fits Facebook's move toward an open social platform. I'll pay to run a server. Would you?
I can't imagine that the terms of the acquisition would permit this to happen. Oh, wait... Facebook take FriendFeed open source? Maybe in two or three years after they squeeze every bit of life out of it, ala Google/Jaiku
- Ken Sheppardson
Would that mean there would be dozens of Friendfeeds all trying to get us to come to them?
- Mark
I don't think I'd pay, but I'd love to have it open source
- Jake Anderson
Worked for AOL. We got Mozilla and they got a much improved Netscape.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I think you have a little too much "hope" on this. Maybe you're just thinking if Facebook was smart, then they'd do that.
- Mark
Facebook is much smarter than you're giving them credit for. I think.
- Leo Laporte
great idea Leo, i'm 'cautiously optimistic' at this point in time about the future of FriendFeed... lets hope for the best people
- Chris Heath
There is no value in that to them. Why open source something that give them a competitive edge.
- binmugahid
I do not agree. It destroyed netscape. let Facebook use the best features of FriendFeed in it. Keep the talent like the four ex-google founders. Open source is not the answer to everything. sometimes Closed Source is better for the users as well. Just keep the innovations coming and it will be fine
- hasanahmad
They've got the Friendfeed team. That's probably what they really wanted. Getting the open source community working on the FF codebase and contributing it back to Facebook is a win for everyone.
- Leo Laporte
On the other hand, I ike to see Laconica (identi.ca) getting more like ff.
- Chanux
Open-sourcing Communicator may have ultimately destroyed Netscape as a brand but without that move, I suspect we'd all still be developing for IE6. Great call, Leo.
- Jared Smith
You're assuming that Facebook bought the company JUST to get the developers, and not because they want to integrate many/most of the features into their service. If they want the features, they don't want a bunch of clones competing with them.
- Joel Bennett
I'll send you a hefty donation for that Leo.
- jcunwired
bravestface: That's not FB's fault you let them in. sheesh.
- Gus
when will twitter be back up any 1 know
- daveccorey
There already is an open source clone of twitter - see identi.ca and laconia or whatever it's called
- Doug Holton
True. very True Gus. My own fault. Perhaps I need to setup an Alias account that encompasses what i really want
- bravestface
I already run a Laconica server at http://army.twit.tv - I don't think we need another Twitter clone. We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer.
- Leo Laporte
hay hay hay, sin duda un tema un tanto escabrozo, pero entre Facebook y Google, esto no lleva a nada bueno.. i'ts a hard theme, no doubt about that, but between facebook and google we are going to hell !!!!!!
- Đoи яамoη
The Wave *protocal* might be a part of the answer... or just giving yourself over to whatever Google wants you to use might work (i.e. Wave, Reader, Gtalk, etc.)... but I don't really see Wave asdirect 1-for-1 FF replacement.
- Ken Sheppardson
They open sourced the Facebook code base (fbopen)... the license is very restrictive, however. FB owns all code modifications. Probably be the same license for FF.
- Kurt
In know people that have replaced their email with Twitter....that just isn't right...we need one locator that many systems can reach
- bravestface
Great idea Leo. Now let's see what they do, if they're listening.
- Kelly Mitchell
Leo - your last comment is why I think Facebook bought Friendfeed: "We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer." This is going to be a product they will launch in opposition of Google Wave. It will surface Q1 of 2010 and will have some of the same features that Wave has - but be closed sourced to Facebook.
- Jeff Vreeland
I see what you mean. Facebook and Google though don't really open source their web apps
- Doug Holton
Facebook doesn't seem to have a good reputation with those kind of thing. Facebook promised to open their chat/IM system via XMPP. More than a year has passed since they announced this XMPP system it still did not happen. We still have to rely on screen-scraping methods to implement Facebook chat on third-party IM systems (like the 3rd party Facebook chat plugin for pidgin called pidgin-facebook).
- Gideon Guillen
I would love to see friendfeed become opensource. Mostly as a developer I would love to see the code. See how friendfeed works.
- mikemcmullan
An "open FriendFeed" could be Facebook's chance to get something lined up to compete with Google Wave. Without it, Google and Twitter are going to own the real-time communication space.
- Derek Gathright
OS FF would be awesome, but making it a federated service is an entirely different ball of wax. Just ask the Wave guys. They said during the original IO presentation that federation was one of the harder parts (though FF would be easier w/o the real time editing piece, but still).
- Patrick Sullivan
I think a integrated RSS/FB/FF/GW/Twitter client will be an interesting real time inflection point
- Jim Posner
I totally agree Leo. I can't help but think that this deal is going to be a massive success or a massive flop - nothing in the middle! It's simple things like opening the FF source that can help make it a massive success IMHO.
- Chris Cathcart
correction: Http://www.openstreetmap.org
- D Lets
from iPhone
I would just like to see the real-time commenting open-sourced.
- patrick
wow Leo you sure know how to get a topic started
- Joe Geeting
I would. It is hard using Friendfeed now not knowing its fate.
- Hunt
from BuddyFeed
I actually was hoping Twitter would be the one to grab it up. Seems like a natural progression for Twitter to make. I just hope Facebook doesn't bury it and they actually use it. As far as open source it? Could be interesting.
- Michael Bower
In a secure and closed environment it could be a powerful communication/collaboration tool for businesses. Features of a chat, but persistent. Ability to share photos & files...
- Ken Bauer
I would love for this to happen. Federated Friendfeed servers would be quite fun and is the logical step for a great Internet service which aggregates disparate information from all over.
- rob friedman
You know what, Jaiku was open sourced. And nobody uses it anymore. The fact that "it" (FB open sourcing FF) will happen or not is completely irrelevant. Because you will all be hopping on the next early adopter miracle train (read:service) anyway. So stop whining and move on. Federated this, federated that. identi.ca tried that. Again, no users. It's nice to talk the talk. Especially at times like this. You just gotta walk the darn walk afterwards. Which people usually forget to do.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Whoa... you should enhance your calm. Communities are finicky things and sources like Microsoft that are poo-pooing Open Source IMHO is the real problem. Me thinks that a better source of education to dissipate the FUD floating in the global porcelain bowel instead of modern political tactics are are needed to solve real problems.
- Myrddin Emrys
If FriendFeed went open source identi.ca / lamonica would be dealt a serious blow. FriendFeed could become even more powerful if the people could tinker with the code and add many features that remain missing, or strengthen features that currently are weak. It will be interesting to se how FB utilizes their newest acquisition...
- Randy Shapiro
10000% agree, its dreadul and the big boys like Leo and Scoble cant seem to see it!
- Mark
Leo laporte says "This is a big step toward an open Facebook. This has been their goal all along: a distributed Facebook." What a Crock of SHITE
- Mark
yeah... but it is also a smart move, they got the team..
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm trying to give the FF team the benefit of the doubt...but I'm having a hard time with it as well.
- Ken Kennedy
Born to be sold, we were used to say in the new economy era.
- Federico Bolsoman
They bought the people. We Stick with that. FF guys are Smart/fast and have deep Google knowledge
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
Woah. I step away from the computer for a couple hours and this is what happens?
- Travis B. Hartwell
I agree an independent Friendfeed might be preferable for we few brave FF users. But the writing was on the wall. For most users it's Twitter or Facebook or nothing at all. Aligning with Facebook is smart long term thinking if FB is planning to open up as I am convinced they are.
- Leo Laporte
from BuddyFeed
Let's hope that FB doesn't block people from using the 'competeition' while on FF.
- shelter watch
Seems everything's headed for an autumn war Facebook <> Google Wave
- Jordi Soler
At first I like the idea of FF & FB, but now I'm starting to think it's bad for FF
- Ray H
hmm, an open, new version of FB that uses all of what makes FF great would be nice.
- Dusty Edenfield
Leo's got the right idea, and independence is a myth
- Steve Gillmor
Well, how could it possibly be a good thing?
- Fleagle
Agree, I'm not a Facebook fan although I try but.. I'd definitely take FF over FB anyday.
- Sharon Dexter
I prefer a FriendFeed folded into Facebook versus a FriendFeed that quietly fades away, which is the direction this was going.
- Mike Doeff
Totally agree - facebook is so tedious and slow. FF is wonderful.
- Zphotogal
We imagine FB with the SEO juice of FF, thus intercepting search traffic...
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
I can certainly see the best ideas from FF being folded into FB but not sure what that says about the future of this site and the data it contains
- Keith Harrison
Except for the whole FriendFeed dying slowly in the obscure ghetto of the digirati part. As Mike said, FF in FB is better than no FF at all. FriendFeed users are far better off having it than watching it its gradual anemia grow worse and worse until one day it vanishes.
- Curtis Schweitzer
While this may never happen, consider it a possibility - your entire FB feed now available in FF.
- Tim Akinbo
It is really hard to see how FB will do more than incorporate staff and ideas from FF. FriendFeed's design of being a very open aggregator is very different than FB's walled garden ethic. I also think part of what attracted me to prefer FF over FB is the clean interface, as opposed to FB fire-in-a-bordello presentation style. I hope FB really listens on the UI side and not just on the aggregator side, or works just mines out the staff.
- David Lounsbury
This is a good thing for FF and FB both. This will lead to a more open FB and steal Twitter's thunder.
- Tim
"the writing on the wall?" ... that's just hyperbole, Leo. Paul Buchheit himself said in his interview w/ Scoble that they could have kept the service alive "for years"...there was no financial issue forcing this, like tr.im or something. And while I suppose there are those that believe the most popular site/music/art/people are always the best, I think that's both a shallow way of...
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- Ken Kennedy
One thing that can be said about social communities - its the people who build the product. Had we not given excellent feedback to FriendFeed developers in creating our perfect world FB wouldn't have had an interest. Its our fault. :(
- jcunwired
i'll agree to wait this one out before being totally devastated about Facebook buying FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
It means you'll have to share. wahhhhh
- Andrew Smith
I think it is a bad idea. I don't like to use Facebook except for frivolous reasons. FF has been good for reliable information. I suppose I'll stop using it so much now. We'll see.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I want to see where this is going but definitely my favorite social site just got folded into my least favorite.
- Braden Douglass
It depends entirely on what direction FF would have taken next (and what direction it will take Dave). Think most of us that have been around FF since almost the start (when it was a MUCH smaller place) miss that but this actually might be a good thing.
- Charlie Anzman
Agreed if they lose the FF interface.
- Wei-Yen Tan
If we put all our faith into a single platform or a single solution [Twitter/FB/Goog] then we lose touch with people, processes and where history is taking us. In this case, we’re headed more in the direction of where .tel and Identi.ca are stumbling, consciously or not: towards a non-web-centric, permission-based polycephalous set of systems, where discussions and messaging transpire...
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- A Mitchell
Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff. And Google Reader will get more social features including item recommendations through comparing users likes, and so Google will win this. Good time to sell.
- Charbax
Interesting convo we had there dave, thanks for letting us call in and participate.
- Chris Heath
But the real question is who will take over who? Isn't there a possibility that FriendFeed will takeover Facebook! I hope FB make it work as I like the idea of FF but it doesn't have the critical mass of people talking about what I am interested in!
- Phillip Molly Malone
Very bad I'm sure there will be some changes
- Annika
from Nambu
I agree it's probably bad news for FF users.FF has reliable info. I don't want it to become chatter.
- Leigh Marriner
I'll admit to being a recent convert to FF but it was the best social site I have used yet (and I have used them all). I am sorry to see it lose it's independence. This will not end well for FF groupies. But my reading of the tea leaves is that FF options as a standalone service were not good. I guess this is a sign of a maturing market. Can a Larry Ellison acquisition be far behind?
- Michael Liss
I agree with Dave's original assertion. I'm struggling to imagine the value Facebook could add to FriendFeed, and I can certainly imagine the downsides. Having an aggregator that sits independently on top of the commercial pile, while fleeting as a free service, is a valuable one.
- Allred
I have my suspicions too. But Facebook have been wanting to open up more for some time (e.g., they're eliminating regional networks), and I'm guessing they see FF as the key. I'm betting they'll fuse the two services soon. But let's hope they use FF to improve FB. But there's always a big chance FB will ruin FF. Stay tuned...
- Dennis Jernberg
+1 for A Mitchell's insights. If tr.im and FF have taught us anything, it's that no matter how many open api's there are, a closed platform is still a closed platform, and it can disappear overnight. We need a decentralized yet federated way to do all that FF did (and more). If it's not decentralized, we don't have redundancy. if it's not federated, we lose community an conversation.
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
another +1, Don and A Mitchell. I just finished a blog post along almost exactly the same lines, Don...decentralization and federation are both key. Good news is, this is historically how things go...nerds only, then mainstream joins, but centralized (think AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy...services and email that couldn't talk to each other). As the systems mature, then value of decentralization becomes apparent. This week could actually be an important milestone in speeding up that process *here's to hoping...*.
- Ken Kennedy
But Facebook buying friendfeed is great news for the 250+ million fb users! (And most ff users have fb :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
It would have been better (slightly) if they were acquired by Twitter. I'm not a Twitter fan, but I think FF would bring more to twitter, it would be a better fit and the users and the interface would have a better chance at "integration"
- Mario Valente
I've read its good for FF, it's bad for FF. It's better than being sold to google, it's better than being sold to twitter. Myriad variations on a theme, which leads me to conclude we haven't got a clue what the future will bring.
- Mark
FB will better integrate FF than Google or others ever would -- one hopes. let's see what happens and go from there. Good news is that it will generate a ton of news for you peeps to report on.
- Gavin Adams
It's simply time for a distributed story for this type of application. You shouldn't need to rely on any providers who can be down or might be bought.
- Christian Scholz
"Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff." And lock you into yet another platform owned by one company.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian...Wave is a federated, decentralized, (to be) open-sourced solution. It's complicated, but it's at worst an architecture lock-in (ie, it might be hard to move a large corpus of Wave-annotated data out of the Wave infrastructure). Unless Google is pulling a flat-out lying fast one...there won't be any reason why you can't run your "own" instance of Wave and connect to the rest of the Net. So not standard company lock-in.
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, to be honest, I'll believe it when I see companies other than Google taking the code and running an equivalent service. Flat out lying? No, probably not. But "only able to do something useful if you're connected to Google in some way"? Probably.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian, I hear ya, but I've read enough of the technical specs to lay my money on the other side of that bet.
- Ken Kennedy
At least Google is one company that's not likely to turn coat on its social community and sell out.
- jcunwired
Really? I think the old Jaiku community would disagree with you on that. And the people who stored their bookmarks in Google Bookmarks, too.
- Ian Betteridge
Sorry - I meant Google Browser Sync rather than Google Bookmarks. One is dead, the other alive and well(ish). But the point is that Google has a track record of killing or abandoning services when it suits.
- Ian Betteridge
True, Ian. Google's "do no evil" doesn't keep them from killing things that aren't panning out for their world domination strategy. They're marginally more saintly than Facebook.
- Sean Gallagher
Is it because of the Facebook ad approach that Dave W and Scoble are looking to jump ship on FriendFeed?
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: I'm not jumping ship. But I will follow early adopters wherever they go.
- Robert Scoble
Or Google Notebook. Even given that and Jaiku, though, which did do a blow to my faith in Google, I would rather a Google-FriendFeed than a Facebook-FriendFeed. Mostly because I think they'd let it do its own thing rather than assimilate it. They left YouTube pretty well alone. Oh well.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
disagree with FF and LI nxt year bottled up inside Facebook this forces Google MS and Apple to get seriously social and start playing rather than just watching. Google-Twitter, Apple-Facebook versus Microsoft-Bing now that's a battle I want to (socially) watch with all you guys. Oh what fun. Can't wait.
- Thomas Power
I'm not sure Facebook or FriendFeed are entities whose well-being I value so highly; users, I care about, and having FriendFeed developper work their magic, their talent and their stand for open standard to benefit 300M people sounds more important to me then having them spend more time tailoring the digerati's private network. I'm far for believing you can't improve FriendFeed, but I'd...
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- Bertil Hatt
@Bertil_Hatt: if there's one thing that FriendFeed isn't it's a private network. Facebook is the one who, on the other hand, operates like a "walled garden" or a private condo.
- Miguel Caetano
Only if you believe the FF has a sustainable business model?
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
BEX, I love how your profile bit says "I can kick your ass!" :) Not only do I believe that 100%, but I also think it might be enjoyable for some reason.
- Josh Haley
I'm sure that I could get a little whimper out of you ;)
- BEX
Yep, I was right. I'll be in my bunk.
- Josh Haley
I love how cats pose when initmidated with admirers- not this one though - and hey we are looking through lens of 2nd order paparazi (paparazi of paparazi !!!)
- Rahul Deodhar
نمي دونم حرفامو مي فهمي رفيق يا نه ولي خيلي جالبه
- ramezanifar
This is my most "liked" picture to date, I believe. Long live the LOLcat!
- Josh Haley
Which browser do you normally use? :-)
- Todd Hoff
It's about frickin' time, Guy! You're the guy who handed Steve Balmer a Macbook Air as a symbol of good design and yet you've been using Twitter all this time? Either start using friendfeed or switch to using Dells. You can't have it both ways. :)
- Alex Scoble
You missed out on the earlier days of FriendFeed, but then it's never too late to start using it.
- imabonehead
I don't think Guy understands he can write comments to his posts, instead of new posts to conversate
- Stephen Pickering
Welcome, we arent experts here but we manage to muddle through some how
- Robert Higgins
Alex: Can I get a Dell through you?
- Guy Kawasaki
Get it on! FF is just great, even for using it as a Twitter-app.
- Kolja
from Viigo
I use Both Twitter and FriendFeed and I'm happy with it.
- Svartling
from iPhone
Really! I thought you invented it ;)
- Bulent Keles
Friendfeed consolidates most all of the other social networks into one feed and then echos it out to twitter also, for the masses. FF is a well developed web app! The bookmarklet and web widgets work very well.
- Keith Rowland
congrats Guy! I think you'll like it :)
- Glenn Hilton
This is """literally""" the first time I commented on your feed. As always, welcome to new users such as yourself. Self + for my improper use of air qoutes.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPod
Poor Myrna must be bored everyone pile into her feed and entertain her!
- Geoff Schultz
I'm listening to Howard Dean and Bill Frist discuss Healthcare on Charlie Rose after hearing John Bolton on Jon Stewart destroy my mood about Iran, nuclear and WW3
- Myrna
War is soooooo 20th century. They need to get with it.
- Geoff Schultz
Welcome here, maybe it takes people like you to bring the finesse of FriendFeed to the world! (can't let @scobleizer do all the work on his own, can you?)
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
now figure a way to have my friendfeed autopost alltop content, maestro!
- adam garrett
We nixed Gopher access at the last minute because we found our gopher servers couldn't handle the load.
- Kevin Fox
Ha! I saved a copy of the Trojan Room Coffee Cam page, complete with captured picture (which I then had to view offline, as I could not configure the Lynx to display in parallel ;-))
- ianf ⌘
Speaking of which, I always wondered at the default gray background choice of the first Netscape browser(s). It looked too sophisticated to have been accidental. In hindsight, however, someone there must've misunderstood basic usability, e.g. optimal contrast ratios? [And then a year later someone had that unbright idea of turning homepages black for a day's web protest against some...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf: The gray background was the default in Mosaic, so Netscape was just keeping the status quo. The black background protest was against the Communications Decency Act, which would have made lots of innocent speech illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Gabe
Obviously fake. :) The menu bar entries are anti-aliased.
- Andy Bakun
Ray Cromwell, with the pixels being so much bigger back then, I suspect that the continued need for button bars was the impetus behind increasing screen resolutions.
- Andy Bakun
If this was supposed to be March 5, 1995, that was before Sun announced Java, so the coffee pot needing Java joke wouldn't have made sense yet.
- Gabe
Aren't you missing the point Gabe? Friendfeed did not exist in 1995 to begin with.
- lelapin
Damn, just by me "viewing" the image that mentioned Java, I got a "Java Update Available" window. I'm not kidding, it popped up the second the image loaded... I hate Java. This is a great parody though, good work.
- Joel Strellner
"Google has said it will "federate" Wave. That means it will make it possible for anyone to operate their own Wave server and have it communicate with other Wave servers. This is just how e-mail works today: Anyone can run an e-mail server that can send messages to and receive messages from any other e-mail system. The Internet routes messages from server to server."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
But note how many people moved to centralized web based email like yahoo, gmail, etc.
- Todd Hoff
I'm just curious as to how identities will be managed across different Wave servers, as well as spam (Spave, or Wam lol?) prevention
- LANjackal
The key with federation is that it enables private, public and third party servers that can communicate using wave protocol. Apps on those servers may not be all-wave, but it creates autonomy that corporations and business partners will need. It's a deep, deep rethink of the Web that's been sorely needed. Email is a travesty.
- John Blossom
A) Identities will be managed by OpenID identity providers. You'll store your ID with someone, potentially even your own company, but more likely with a Google, or Facebook or Yahoo -most likely someone we "all" trust to ensure that you are your own unique individual. B) John & LANJackal are correct. The wave federation principal makes it such that any and all entities can run their own...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan: Isn't all email centralized? :P I'm just saying. And yeah being the first to debut a technology is likely to get you most of the users. However, the article does point out that Wave is likely to be tough to develop for. That will need to change for widespread adoption to be the case.
- LANjackal
I think it will be hard for people and companies to get to the point where they can have a client that's equal or better than Google's version of it. We do need more clients than just the Google one.
- Peter Stuifzand
I'm not sure that I agree. I think there's plenty of potential client developers that could do an equal or better job. But, what I really think is that where client developers are going to succeed is in the niche products that support Wave. Google's product is likely to be good enough for nearly everyone for personal use, so I don't know that there's a big win for developers in that area, but specialized corporate wave applications and servers are likely to be a big hit.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan: +1 on the corporate wave apps. That is, if you have a forward looking IT department. Those are vanishingly rare
- LANjackal
Still struggling to get my head around just where this can go. The possibilities are endless.
- Jamie
@Jamie: I'm sure you're not the only one, lol. I'm cautiously optimistic, though I'd be really excited if Facebook deployed it atop their messaging/chat system, which is currently horribly limited. I'm from the engineering field where IT departments still use IE6, so I'm not holding my breath to see it in any office I sit in anytime soon :(
- LANjackal
Jamie: unless you're a developer or running a company that's in a space that's deeply affected by this, you have plenty of time to get your head around it. Realistically it's going to be at least 18mos before we really see any of this note into corporate environments. Remember, they're still at the point of blocking social media sites, so it's going to take a fundamental shift in attitudes before they'll want to adopt all of the technologies that a wave can encompass.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from f2p
LANJackal I don't think that this is something that facebook can deploy wave on top of their chat. What they SHOULD do is rip that crap chat out and replace it with wave
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from f2p
@guruvan: Yeah I know. It seems to me though that Facebook deliberately avoids adding advanced capabilities to some of its features to prevent users from being scared off by a steep - for non-tech people - learning curve. As a result, chat is *really* dumbed down, and so is Notes, which has glaringly lacked a WYSIWYG editor since its inception. It's rather saddening :(
- LANjackal
Having just watched the wave demo video, and now more intimately understanding the full implications of the idea (and the product) - I stand by my above statements, and my blog post. Facebook needs to catch the wave or get trounced in the marketplace. In my blog I mentioned that FriendFeed is the only one of the social networks that's supremely poised to take advantage of the wave....
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan: "Facebook needs to catch the wave" ... Facebook has succeeded *despite* lacking advanced features such as WYSIWYG or proper chat formatting that other services have. Twitter has boomed despite having a featureset that could fit on the back of a business card. Don't get me wrong, Wave is great, but clearly as far as widespread adoption of a technology goes, it's not all about...
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- LANjackal
@Joe: Go to Mountain View, CA. Buy bottle of water. Douse self with said bottle ...
- LANjackal
LANJackal, you're absolutely right. And I did point out somewhere, that a) Facebook has time, and B) Facebook just raised $200million. That buys them a lot, IMO. But, The fact is, that wave IS going to be easy to develop for, and it IS going to see rapid widespread adoption. (but that IS on the timeframe of 18months or so, so the above points still stand...there is time, but only if...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
this article is a good clarifier. just because it's google, it doesn't mean we should expect them to do all the work and hand it down to us on a silver platter. this requires cooperation of third parties for it to happen well. they're facilitating a change across services by introducing a new protocol, api, and federation based on existing technologies. to help others grasp an...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I just hope Wave is going to be simple and user friendly unlike Google Friend Connect. Well, to me anyway. Most of you probably are not having the same troubles but I am having a hard time uploading those two files after downloading them to my computer. It's just giving me a blank screen. Anyone knows why that is? Please message me on Twitter: RONJeremiah thanks a lot!
- RON08
Wow. Awesome. I need to implement this. Good stuff.
- Scott Sorheim
"For the last couple weeks I have been live blogging here - but not in the traditional sense of being at an event and blogging about it in real time. I am talking about blogging in real time - writing, discussion, comments, everything. Let’s call it Real-Time Blogging so as not to get confused."
- andy brudtkuhl
"Why? Aside from real-time being the craze, live blogging in this manner creates a discussion around a topic rather than just writing something and leaving it for the Google robot and the long tail. I am an avid comment replier - If you comment on this blog you are likely to get a response within an hour, unless its the middle of the night. By blogging in real time I am able to...
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- andy brudtkuhl
Example: This is a comment from the embedded FF post on GetANewBrowser.com -> 2 way interaction FTW
- andy brudtkuhl
Now I just need a jQuery script that will increase the size of the iFrame in real time :-)
- andy brudtkuhl
Probably the coolest thing I've seen today.
- motownmutt
The process is not 100% clear, but I presume it starts on an ordinary blog elsewhere, the link is posted here in Friendfeed, then embedded back on the original blog site? Correct me if I've got it wrong... because I want to learn this one properly.
- George Hall (Australia)
We wanted to resist learning a new tool, but ah....if we must! Shwew... its just a regular article on Friend Feed.
- godisprofitable
I'm getting to like it after two practices...very easy except for the going back and forth a couple of times.
- George Hall (Australia)
Oooooh....just had a look at the ffundercats page...multiple uses of it too. This has lotsa potential...
- George Hall (Australia)
Now a big question...in ffundercats, the friendfeed boxes are not as big as the ones I've done in myexperiment...how is that managed? Setting toggle, command?
- George Hall (Australia)
In the embed code, you can set the height and width parameters. The default I believe is 200px x 700px
- Johnny Worthington
That's definitely awesome... The way of "bringing back" my activity here in FF to my blog...Wow!
- Zackatoustra
This was one of the features of Google Wave demo that was pretty cool, embedding parts of a live real time web document in a web page.
- Boris Gordon
from IM
By the time Google launches its Wave, FriendFeed will have all their "futuristic" features already implemented... Go, FriendFeed, Go!!!
- Zackatoustra
zack: I hope so! Don't slow down FriendFeed!
- Boris Gordon
from IM
I like that you can just slam the width= as I see you've noticed :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Nice, it will be cool if there will be plugins to convert FF conversations into blog posts with threaded comments to showcase one of the advantages using FF real-time platform
- Alberto Saavedra
nice. i like this idea. except for the scrollbar. do you "have" to have that? or can you just have it go down the page?
- Tyler Gillies
Very good method, but not for all discussions or blogs. It require a full presence of the admin to avoid states of emergency like flame. I think it could be a good way for discussion in post that are published just for one day or few days
- Roberto
Yeah this is good, I just wish there was a way to remove the frame AND for it to update. I know this is a difficult problem to solve.
- Kol Tregaskes
Very cool idea. Can't wait for the aforementioned jQuery script.
- Dusty Edenfield
@Tyler @kol the scrollbars are there because its an IFrame. The IFrame is set to a specific height and once the content of the IFrame exceeds that height the scrollbar appears. That's why I mentioned the idea of writing a script in jQuery that will auto update the height of the iFrame as new content comes in...
- andy brudtkuhl
@George - looks like you are getting the hang of it! It's pretty easy.. If I have images to post I'll use the bookmarklet to post and then embed that.. If not I'll embed the one that is piped into my feed
- andy brudtkuhl
this is genius, Andy! For those bloggers who worry that Friendfeed has splintered the conversation again, this is a great way to have a decentralised conversation at their centralised location!
- Andrew Terry
Lots of bells went off when I read this post and thread. Much appreciated :)
- Eric Logan
Not a big fan of iframes, but this looks pretty awesome! Now, if we could just get a WordPress plguin that does this automatically...(since I'm assuming you are doing this manually for each post).
- Justin Korn
wouldn't this be more like a real time commenting/discussion? ..because you might as well embed the whole blog, the whole stream - example http://friendfeed.com/petrbub... , instead of just 1 post with rt comments ... or, post a FF group widget , at http://friendfeed.com/embed... .... :]
- Petr Buben
Andy, yeah I know about that iFrame I tried it on my blog a few months ago. Agree a solution to remove the frame would be perfect.
- Kol Tregaskes
Justin, yes please on the WP plugin, hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
when? ..where?? :] /// but, what is this - can't they put in a few keyboard shortcuts? are they not allowed? is it difficult? .... the esteemed FF team?.. thanks
- Petr Buben
How do you add the Friendfeed iframe to a self-hosted Wordpress blog?
- Opensource Obscure
@Opensource Obscure: paste the embed code into the html part of a post in the wordpress dashboard.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
try putting the height and width to "100%" that might make it autoscale works on my site so far. not eough comments to prove it yet though
- Tyler Gillies
from email
this is a great use of the embed code that I never used before. thanks for sharing.
- Chris Sparno
This post is so meta it makes my head hurt.
- Mike Baker
@Andy, funny - I was wondering and experimenting today wishing Disqus could talk back to FF. Guess I can have the best of both worlds now.
- Jason Cronkhite
I've started to blog like this on some of my blogs.
- Svartling
Set the width to 100% and change to border=0 and it looks even better.
- Svartling
You might want to you the css functionality to remove the share button. Sharing fragments this conversation to other FF posts (which are not embedded here)!!
- Chris Myles
I agree with Russ. Niklas, fftogo doesn't work on all phones. It doesn't work on my Moto Ming. This one has a whole lot of features, all of which seem to work.
- Vijay
Thanks, Vijay! I'll try it out. Too bad the URL looks the way it does. The mobile interface is cluttered, but still offers - like you write - a lot of features.
- Niklas Pivic
Niklas, the mobile URL sucks. I've got it bookmarked now, but I hope it changes to something easier :)
- Vijay
Nahi, the bitly address works (tried Opera Mini). Thanks for the great app. You rock!
- Andre P. Siregar
I have been using f2p as an alternative to fftogo for a few days. Works really well although the interface is rather busy. But that's a tradeoff I'm willing to accept to get all this functionality into a compact format. Great work!
- Niklas Sjostrom
Agreed! I don't know what half the icons actually do. Anybody find a manual for that?
- Niklas Pivic
Thank you for the comments. I'll try to simplify f2p UI. Do you think '[like]', '[comment]' are better than icons?
- NaHi
from f2p
Looks like. At last I'm able to use fftogo on my T-Mobile phone, yippee! Not more block. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Now it got a little less busy I hope. You can filter feeds by list, friend, group, service, query, discussion, like, liked, pin(star) and check entries page-by-page like mobile version of Google Reader via [show] menu.
- NaHi
from f2p
Plus unread mgmt and geo posting. Works fine on my HTC diamond. Can somebody try it with iPhone? I hope it works...
- NaHi
from f2p
To use FriendFoo, click on the "FriendFoo" text of this post. This is hecka neat...and will increase my comment count even MORE. Great.
- Mona Nomura
from FriendFoo
looks nice. i like the dark theme in particular. do you have a link?
- Cee Bee
Ya, I have one FriendFoo tab and one regular FF tab open. This is great for long discussions...I'm subd to WAYYYYY too many people to have real time. I get motion sickness lollll!
- Mona Nomura
from FriendFoo
i really like the way it looks and feels.
- Cee Bee
from FriendFoo
I thought it was an iPhone app at first but I asked the dev and he's like uh, it's for the regular browser haha!
- Mona Nomura
from FriendFoo
Great, I can feel my comment counting going up at rapid speed again... but this is so neat!
- Mona Nomura
from FriendFoo
i wonder if there's a way to edit comments? doesn't seem to have that capability yet
- Cee Bee
from FriendFoo
Another neat feature is the comments are numbered and when you click, it automatically shows up in the text input box. i.e. >>29: is you, Michael :) And when I click on your name, it automatically puts: @Michael McKean (your display name) in the text input box too.
- Mona Nomura
from FriendFoo
Is there anyway to customize the output, i.e., if you don't want the @ or whatever?
- Michael McKean
i really like the translation availability. unless I missed a hidden corner it's not in friendfeed?
- bob phillips
yeah I'm using it right now too. I'm concerned about security though, as the site doesn't seem to have any kind of encryption. :/
- Will Higgins™
from FriendFoo
There's a few basic things missing though. Like 'edit' and I can't find the 'like' button. Am I silly?
- Will Higgins™
from FriendFoo
The heart icon is the like button. Try right clicking in a feed if the icons aren't showing.
- Michael McKean
Like, wonder if it works on Nokia mobile phones.
- Kol Tregaskes
Little tweaking needed but this could be really nice on iPhone... It's almost there already.
- Vince DeGeorge
And Basic Auth is no good for a web app. I need OAuth as well.
- YungSang
from FriendFoo
Most of these people have no clue what they are doing - so in that sens it does suck - a lot of people just don't understand it. When you get it, it's just another tool and a great one at that.
- Robert Freeze
That 1.4 trillion figure actually figures in people who haven't even been born yet. They, too, will inevitably say that "Twitter Sucks."
- Brad Williamson
Could it be that Spymaster or other like services might be part of the Twitter problem? I sure hope Twitter can resolve their reliability problems with do many other services depending on them.
- John Wallace
from BuddyFeed
Without any big fuss, a face-recognition feature has been added to Flickr. The new feature was launched recently by Swedish start-up Polar Rose. It lets users import all their photos from a Flickr account to an account on Polar Rose, where the images are then automatically assembled into groups dedicated to various individuals. As with similar features in Google Picasa and Apple iPhoto, names eventually show up next to faces in the photos once the user has identified the faces. The labels then get sent back to the Flickr account. Polar Rose, founded by Swedish mathematician Jan Erik Solem in 2004, intends to license its technology to numerous Web sites.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
it's still "processing" my images after several hours now. I'm not so sure this thing is going to work for me.
- Thomas Hawk
I think I will wait till Flickr implements this internally. Surely they will have to implement it at some stage.
- CJPhoto
Google should have developed a face recognition system out of Picasa Web Albums. An API or something. They could have offered a way to identify faces on your PC, on Google Image, on FriendConnect-enabled websites and even Street View 2.0.
- Jérôme Flipo
Giving it a try now. Estimates 30 minutes to process my 900 photos.
- Andy Roth
No estimate for m 24,000 photos. simply a "processing your photos" progress bar with no progress indicated.
- Thomas Hawk
There aren't any faces in my Flickr stream, however I do use the face recognition in Picasa Web Albums and it works very well.
- Kenton
I'm alpha testing the face.com Photo Finder in Facebook, and that process seems less complex (at least to the user). Rather than explicitly telling you that Facebook photos are being exported to a separate account, Photo Finder allows you to appear to remain in Facebook as your photos are being processed.
- John E. Bredehoft
Same here... hours later, and still processing. Hmmm.
- Herb Hernandez
24,000 pictures at once ? going by Andy's estimate, 13 hours worth. plus (hopefully) a 100% penalty for being silly enough to do so many at once.
- martin english
my ff crashed & facebook account would not let back in 4 now, thats ff's problems, I need 2 try w/Windows. I was using Kubuntu, one of the flavor of Ubuntu.
- polou/indigo_bow
so far Polar Rose has performed poorly in recognising other instances of the same person, though it generally knows when there is a face in the photo (although it also spends quite a lot of time asking me if rocks, lights, twigs, shadows etc are people)
- Ned Baker
so far I'm very unimpressed with Polar Rose. I checked it today and it only imported about 2,200 of my 24,000 photos. Worse than that though, performance on the site is awful. I keep getting a Firefox error message about an unresponsive script taking too long. They don't segregate out which of your photos have people in them vs. photos that do not so you are paging endlessly looking at thumbnails that are way to large to try and even find a photo you've got with a photo in it. Not at all user friendly.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm wary of apps like these now. I tried out Fotonaut several weeks ago and the app silently deleted my tags.
- Jauder Ho
Tried again on Win7beta, hmm, face recognition r precise. I am mixed about these kinds of recognition unless they r used for login or security or confirm friendship purposes??? What do u folks think??
- polou/indigo_bow
What do I think? Disclosure - I am employed in the biometrics industry. However, I assert that the possibility of Big Brother ganging up on the populace is remote. For example, after 9/11, it took YEARS for the FBI and DHS to exchange data.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I believe the military has been doing this for a while.
- anna sauce
Halfway through the video keynote about Google Wave (http://wave.google.com/) and completely floored with the possibilities. OMG this is going to be disruptive.
Disqus and Intense Debate will be pointless, blogging will be as simple as dropping a widget on a web page. Wikipedia would be easy to replicate with better accountability features... Wow, just Wow.
- Lindsay
A handful of of the shorter clips... I still need to watch the entire preview. I can see applications for collaborative environments (Wikipedia might be a prime example). I'm just skeptical about reaching beyond that... but I'm happy to be shown otherwise.
- Mark Philpot
I really like that they've made it an extendable and open source platform... That way it gives the freedom to expand way beyond what we've seen so far.
- Mark Philpot
Wiki, collaborative document editing and versioning, IM, photo sharing, brilliant spell check, group blogging, news groups, even RSS feeds... they'll all be replaced. And you can make your own... so I could actually use it for collaboration at work within the firewall. Wow!!!
- Lindsay
That last part I really do like. Having tried to use a wiki for collaboration at work, it really is severely limiting.
- Mark Philpot
The possibilities for gaming are cool too... you could play "remote" board games with it.
- Lindsay
Hmm, I was ignoring all the posts about Wave earlier today but now you've talked me into it. I'm watching the video.
- Laura Norvig
Wow, so you can create a wave that will automatically monitor searches for you... For instance, set up a search for your company name on Twitter as a Twave and it will show updates whenever there's a new tweet. Awesome.
- Lindsay
Sweet, they even have a bot for it that functions as a bug/issue tracker pointing right back into your task list in a wave! So cool! So much nicer than our bug tracker at work!
- Lindsay
very exciting times in the tech area!!
- imabonehead
Wow!! A real time language translation bot for IM! That is freaking amazing!
- Lindsay
wondering what the implications / overlap is for Friendfeed. And it's open source!
- James Beake
I see FriendFeed as more of a people discovery mechanism and this as more of an information sharing/collaboration/communication framework/protocol. It's about communicating with your existing contacts, not finding new contacts...
- Lindsay
Ok.. I've gone through more of the demo video... It will be interesting to see how quickly adoption will come. (Mainstream adoption)
- Mark Philpot
I wonder if it can be used as a software development/collaboration platform also.
- imabonehead
I can definitely see myself "living" in this on a daily basis. So impressed.
- Lindsay
@imabonehead - YES, you should see the part about the bug/issue tracker!! And the part about how they built all the different pieces of documentation around a project and then merged it all together to make the specs docs.
- Lindsay
Man I want to beta test this! Maybe they'll be so amazed at my poetry skills (http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...) that I'll get an invite. Yeah, fat chance, huh??
- Lindsay
I am having the hardest time being able to watch this video and it's one I really want to watch damn!
- Steven Hodson
I had a hard time earlier today but seemed to be working fine 1.5 hours ago. ;)
- Lindsay
Realtime web: get used to it, because it's here and it's awesome. That's the real message, whether or not Wave takes off. They've shown so many amazing possibilities for realtime in that presentation that I am still floored. Realtime is obviously awesome on FriendFeed, but I wasn't sure if it had general application. Here's the evidence.
- invariant - farewell FF
And because the protocol is documented, we'll be able to host waves on our own servers, no? At least we will once the open-source community gets cooking...
- Eric Johnson
I totally agree with you Lindsay, this is awesome technology. For those who haven't watched the video, I say do it, it will be 80 very well spent minutes.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
@Eric, yes, you'll be able to host your own wave servers. That is what will really make this awesome. It will be as ubiquitous as email is now, maybe even more so. And it's yet another step toward my prediction that OSes will be obsolete in about 3 years (I predicted that 2 years ago that that it wouldn't matter what OS you used in 5).
- Lindsay
"There is something so special about the barrel of a wave; the fact that water can even sustain such a shape is astounding in itself. Viewed from any angle, barrelling waves are a breathtaking sight, but observing them from within literally opens up a whole new perspective on the ocean. Thank photographer and Waimea Bay shorebreak surfing pioneer Clark Little for offering us this scarcely seen point of view."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet