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Scoble’s No Internet Anonymity Rule - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Or, what I think about it.
- Anthony Citrano
I would rather everyone be anonymous than no one.
- jeneane sessum
Gerard: as I said in the other thread this would be impossible to enforce so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
- Robert Scoble
I commented on your blog: I think anonymity is both a horrible thing and a great tool, it depends on how it's used. In some countries complete anonymity is needed, otherwise they would be put to death or jail. I find its far more respectable when someone puts a real name and face to their opinion, though it isnt always needed.
- Colby Olson
Robert: I just think it's interesting that you want to abolish anonymity, that in itself is an odd thing to say, I suppose. Perhaps you could explain your reasoning?
- Colby Olson
Robert I think we all realize it would not be enforceable but what I'm going after is the idea behind it - that *were it enforceable*, it would be a good thing. To me, the underlying idea that anonymous speech is a bad thing and should be eliminated is rather authoritarian and terrifying.
- Anthony Citrano
Colby: everything that I have seen negative on the Internet is due to anonymity. Can you link to one positive thing? Mini Microsoft but even that would be much better if the guy who wrote it would sign his name.
- Robert Scoble
Anthony: well, I don't see it as a good thing. I have freedom of speech already and would die to defend that. Anonymity is for cowards.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, speaking out on the internet against oppressive governments is not a bad thing. And as I have stated previously, many revolutions start in anonymity. Again, rules of absolutism don't allow for both sides. Anonymity is a tool and it can be used for good and bad.
- Tim Finucane
Kind of a night of drastic comments from the Scobleizer, huh?? Everything negative on the internet is due to anonymity. Yikes thats a whole new round of overstatement. I love following you Robert and agree way more often than not but that's silly.
- Cody Heitschmidt
tim: what revolution started with anonymity? Certainly NOT the American one.
- Robert Scoble
It most definitely did start with secret meetings. The crown didn't know identities until after things got under way.
- Tim Finucane
Robert: You just spawned numerous blog posts and threads with that one. I agree with you up to a point. One of the two that I have blocked on FF was determined to be a troll and supposedly anon. However, there are many countries that speaking up and signing on the dotted line will get both your head and hand chopped off.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Cody is right. I did overstate that and I am sorry about that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... i would follow you into the fire.. and here is why we all follow you: Your are passionate. Sometimes it gets in your way because you overstate things but then you admit you are wrong. A guy with 30,000 followers could be big headed enough not to admit something he said wasn't quite right. It's cool that a little guy in Ks can make a contrary statement at you and not just get blocked and you roll over him. Now admit you were wrong on the rule against anonymity too. lol just kidding.
- Cody Heitschmidt
The Internet is and should be about choice. You should be able to choose your level of anonymity. It is not one shoe fits all.
- Jauder Ho
Robert -- There is legitimate reason for anon speech, especially on the internet. What I think you really want is a "Personal Global Internet Filter" that allows the removal of the ugliest side-effects. Even looking to the American revolution, pen names and aliases were used countless times by the likes of Thomas Jefferson, et al. There is a legitimate purpose to it... the statement that no revolution was started by anonymous is a bit of a stretch.
- Mark Philpot
There are a ton of reasons for a person to use a pseudonym on the internet. Especially when you look at people in other countries who can only speak by being "nameless". I even have reasons for using a name that isn't my real name.
- Candace
Don't admit you were wrong on the rule unless you believe it... until you believe ! hehe lol Great freaking discussion who started this whole mess with the rule comment?
- Cody Heitschmidt
I believe it was started by Robert's response to Laura Fitton's question: "What one "rule" would you make about the Internet?"
- Tim Finucane
i'm sorry he's wrong or right depending i've been batting this question lately and i use the internet not to shield who i am but to get people to talk to me who wouldn't do to disability. and if i ever meet any net folks in RL my hope is that they will be over it quicker due to knowing I'm capable and cool to begin with
- Cecil Sandus
To all those under pseudonyms: Why? Are you truly in fear of reprisal? @Dtrizzle a link to your blog profile quickly reveals you. @Corvida do you have a reason?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Robert Scoble (scobleizer): What's so negative about my blog? Well, other than the fact that I don't apply myself. Sorry, there've been too many firings and too many "we won't hire you" situations because of uptight control freaks in power who can't stand employees who have their own minds. Anyone who really desires it can find out who MiniMage is, but I feel the better for not broadcasting my real name, and so do my parents.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
from NoiseRiver
well said Mage
- Cecil Sandus
One rule for the internet is that all data is equal. The second rule is that there are no other rules. I think Scoble's idea of not anonymity is becoming more a reality with people's lives becoming intertwined with their online identity. I would like to preserve anonymity for whistle blowers, etc. Anonymity is a tool that can be used or abused.
- Erik Weese
Pseudonyms mean nothing. People do find out who you are. I spent two days in a courtroom reading my blog entries aloud that were posted under a pseudonym. If you don't want people to read what you write, buy a pen and a blank journal and stick it under your mattress.
- Trish R
MiniMage many many more people have been hired for their blogs than fired for them and I can't think of an instance where someone who was fired wasn't behaving stupidly. We have a whole chapter in our book about that.
- Robert Scoble
yes Dtrizzle that makes sense to me and Trish as for your idea it's an oldie but a goodie...
- Cecil Sandus
corvida isn't anonymous. I have talked with her on the phone. Minimicrosoft is pretty anonymous but I know at least one person who knows who he is.
- Robert Scoble
Dtrizzle - The bit on your educational background while perfect for a resume can provide an easy way to start skip-tracing you. Not that I am. Just one of the little tricks I learned where tech meets accounting.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
it is amazing the conversations that can start with a simple word or two. I am at a wedding with people who have left Iran to get the freedom of speech so understand well the problems with using your real name. One guy here was in Iranian prisons for years. He is not afraid to stand up in public against injustice.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Scoble (scobleizer): Do you remember the Chronicle of Higher Education article where someone talked about being on an interview committee? These EDUCATED folks attitudes were explained thus, "Several committee members expressed concern that a blogger who joined our staff might air departmental dirty laundry (real or imagined) on the cyber clothesline for the world to see. Past...
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- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
from NoiseRiver
Scoble I think he was referring to the fact that I don't use my real name online at all. As for the person who asked why, because I don't want people Googling me. I like to keep my personal life separate from my online life. Same person, different interactions and I don't want them overlapping in any way, shape, or form.
- Corvida
@Corvida - Why keep yourself so fragmented? Then you have to remember who you with whom. I am with Robert for the most part on this one. You instantly gain more respect from me if your are proud enough of your name to attribute ALL of your actions whether in the VW or RW to it. You are an American are you not? Unless, you have a TS like my folks then who or what are you hiding from. Telling me that it is just a personal choice is a cop out. @Dtrizzle gives some valid rationale for his decision.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
There are certain place on the net that you NEED anonymity !! Take a look at some Forums that ONLY focus on vulnerability disclosures. Each and every one of them is only known by a handle. Chances that you actually associate a handle w/ real name /face is near impossible.
- Peter Dawson
I could argue the same. Most in my situation do take that approach. My disease is just that a disease. It is what it is. Like I commented earlier there can be valid reasons; I just wanted to hear Corvida's rationale both from a personal interest as she is just another human being as well as from the pov of the well known blogger.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Interesting convo. I actually talked to Mark Hopkins about this. He brought his anon handle into his identity. I've kept mine apart. I don't agree with no one being anonymous; I happily existed online for years and can still write about personal issues and my children without compromising their (or my) privacy.
- Cyndy
I vote for anonymity. If you are anonymous and threatening though, realize that I also support using every tracking method possible to make a community safer. People can not yell "FIRE" in a crowded room. I can not call my neighbor a "RAPIST" just because I feel like it. Regulated Free Speech is ok. Unregulated free speech is not, just as I can not go around town physically hitting anyone I want to ("Freedom of Action").
- Mitchell Tsai
The vast majority of my college friends (Harvard 1982-89, age 40-50) are still petrified of Facebook due to Corvida's concerns - and I have mostly techy friends. There are discussions on our alumni boards (on & off Facebook) about all the potential career dangers. About 30-40% of my college friends are on LinkedIn because they understand resumes & how you can control the presentation of...
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- Mitchell Tsai
P.S. I've spoken with Corvida on the phone also. We were going to visit Georgia Tech together, but plans didn't work out (and my college friend who's a professor there turned out to be out-of-town also). Bummer.
- Mitchell Tsai
Assume ANYTHING you e-mail, post on the Internet, or say on a phone is recorded somewhere and scanned for verbal/textual keywords. My first company is now partially owned by the C... and we process information to find ter...... Over 10 years ago (1992-98), I attended academic data-mining conferences where people from the phone company presented the algorithms they were using to scan...
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- Mitchell Tsai
“regulated free speech”, Mitchell? Can you be serious?
- Anthony Citrano
Yep.
- Mitchell Tsai
well i think the concept is absurd, myself. but i'm out. also, why post 5-6 messages in a row instead of 1? it's messy and inelegant.
- Anthony Citrano
Paragraph marks in a comment would work too. I don't like how everything runs together in one comment...
- Mitchell Tsai
@Robert people tend to act differently online than they do in real-life, anonymous or not. They perceive a disconnect between their online profile and life. Makes people be more direct, confrontational, and sometimes hostile. They don't feel bound by the same social rules (have respect for each other).
- Alexander van Elsas
I can fully understand that some wish to be anonymous on the web. But thinking that the things you do online are disconnected from your offline life is stupid. I am not anonymous online and I am aware that my interactions are always visible.
- Alexander van Elsas
Resurrected because of this: http://friendfeed.com/rww...
- Anthony Citrano
I'll just add here that I don't agree that we should chop off our whole arm but if someone can point the finger and label me negatively knowing full well that I am public and not hiding behind a fake avatar, I should be able to see who is doing the labeling and so should the community since the insult was brought to the community's attention by the hiding labeler/harasser. We should...
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- Jeunelle Foster
Even aside from my opinion that the Imus thing was a bunch of BS from a clueless Outrage Nation, I disagree that providers ought strip away anonymity every time someone's feelings get hurt.
- Anthony Citrano
My rule would be no obnoxious bloggers.
- Cristo
There are good (edit: adequate) legal processes for handling truly abusive cases.
- LogEx
This is a long thread and I may have missed it in a later response, but what about people finding you in person through the internet? I play WoW and my guild leader was stalked by someone who knew only her first name, state, and profession. He called her and flew to her area to find her. This is just a simple case of a nut job, but the internet is full of them. When you bring other countries, with less freedom into the mix things just get messier.
- Heather
The thing is, he never defined his terms either. Is creating a bogus account and logging in through a proxy for a one-time flame the same as using a long-term pseudonym for mostly constructive purposes? I think not. There are so many good and valid reasons for not living completely transparently.
- LogEx
@Anthony it's your opinion that you found the Imus thing BS and I'm not talking about when people's feelings get hurt, I disagree in cases where someone can get physically hurt, here is an example. Blogcatalog was in heat a few months ago when some of these members who I see as negative while hiding behind fake persona, fake avatars, hiding their Ip addresses and whois information took...
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- Jeunelle Foster
WOW. I was trying to figure out why I had this pop up from a year ago. I still pretty much side with The Scoblezier with a few exceptions. If you are blogging, chatting, or even surfing on-line....odds are pretty good that a determined individual or govt entity can find you out. You may think that you are "anon" but in reality you are not at all. Plus, I have a lot less respect for folks esp in this country that are unwillling to put their real names in their posts.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I didn't feel like cutting and pasting so sorry. But if you think that your on-life persona is somehow sacred and secure from your real life identity then you have some harsh realities to wake up to. This is the information age people.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Why does Google Translate default to "Spanish" instead of "Detect language"?
Mitch, Jack Wilson, K4SAC, Shailesh Nalawadi and 33 other people liked this
That is one of my biggest annoyances.
- Bret Taylor
Prediction based on usage?
- Jeremy Dunck
BTW, I bookmarked http://translate.google.com/transla... for that reason.
- Bret Taylor
Good point. It could have taken the destination language from browser preferences too (I hate it when they - Google products - do it, but they do it for interface language sometimes anyway)
- בייַ מיר ביסטו שיין
@bret: Thanks for the tip!
- בייַ מיר ביסטו שיין
@Alex - Isn't that the point of browser preferences, though?
- Scott of Two Countries
Maybe Detect Language is resource intensive and they do it to reduce overhead.
- Daniel Shaw
When I asked someone on the team, they said it was because there were still some issues with language detection in a few cases, so they were staying with the most popular language pair as default.
- Alex Power
I guess it's related to usage as others said, as for myself most of the times I used Google Translate was for Spanish to English.
- Amit Morson
@maplestar: Scott, in the ugly situations when one's forced to bump Russian prio to be able to write Cyrillic e-mails via Outlook WebAccess, and gets 'localized' web sites as a side effect - I'm not sure it's quite THAT point people had in mind when developing the whole idea :)
- בייַ מיר ביסטו שיין
They could at least save the most recent language pair in a cookie (or provide an option to do that).
- Ionut
@bleys @onu ditto - I'm tired already to switch all time from de-facto standard in California to my local Scandinavian-to-English/Russian needs :-/
- A.T.
saved bookmark...thanks Bret!
- Susan Beebe
I hate this and I speak Spanish.
- Adriana
Even if detect language is buggy (which it certainly is with short queries) it should go to the last language used. I live in a German speaking country and the "most popular" pair is irrelevant. I need german to english every time.
- Kenny Stoltz
from twhirl
Plus some translation really hurt my eyes! "Likes" ---> "Gustos"??? WTF?!
- Jordi Soler
Que?
- Chris Loft
Easy to change: I will decipher the meanings. http://translate.google.com/transla.... Click on link or you will not see what I'm talking about. ...hl=en (choices text in English); ...sl=en (From English); ...=ru# (To Russian). Bookmark this page. I love the swap button.
- Bob
Mine defaults to detect language.
- Sam Pullara
@bret That was a great tip. Just the other day I was trying to figure out what the heck language this piece of text was in.
- Ted Gilchrist
The translate buttons default to "any => yours" (useful): http://translate.google.com/transla....
- Michael Herf
My least favorite translate behavior: if you accidentally try to translate something from, say, English to English, translate will give you an error, rather than just redirecting to the page. So punitive.
- Michael Herf
Welcome to Texas :D
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
mine defaults to french, we-weeee
- chaz2b
Fried Babelfish: Don't let the name fool you, it uses Google Translate. Defaults to detect language -> English, but source is included and if you feel like changing it you can. Has 2 tabs, so you can have 2 language pairs ready for translating back & forth between 2 languages without having to keep switching the settings. http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums...
- April Russo (app103)
Information Arbitrage: Where and How am I Investing in Early-Stage Today? - http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2008...
David Cancel, Robert Higgins, Nikpay and 12 other people liked this
"Given the uncertainty of ad spending, the tremendous dollars going into digital media, the increasingly competitive landscape and the jittery global financial markets, I have added a few criteria to my check-list: * Initially sells to the enterprise for branding, credibility, awareness and early revenues * Can get to revenues within 6 months, tops * Is sold on the basis of ROI, e.g., helps generate revenues or reduce headcount/costs * Integrates easily with existing platforms and/or programs * Either leverages existing open source programs or can itself become partially or fully open source * Has multiple revenue streams, e.g., software, maintenance, services, etc."
- Andrew Badera
from Bookmarklet
couple stretch items on his list but nice of him to share
- mike "glemak" dunn
I was wondering which ones seem a stretch? I was reading this and it describes a startup I am working with to a "T".
- David Muir
12.5-25x seems a stretch to me ... that's grand slam territory. not unachievable, but not by any means "common".
- Andrew Badera
I tend to agree. But I read through and was trying to glean when the exit for the VC would be; after how many years? According to my calculations, asset value growth of over 30% per year still means a 13 year wait on an initial investment of $1 million to walk away with $25 million.
- David Muir
VC is almost always in terms of a ~5 year exit strategy I thought ...
- Andrew Badera
VC is evil. Smart CEOs do everything they can to avoid this route.
- Geoff Livingston
Everyone would love to bootstrap Geoff, but it's not a matter of "smart" vs. "dumb" it's a matter of practicality and pragmatism.
- Andrew Badera
25x return selling into enterprise space which tends to see rapid fast followers and commoditization is one stretch david... not all vc's are evil geoff but certainly some are - expect it's probably same ratio as general life ;) a huge percentage of today's businesses have leveraged vc funding when in proof of concept phase so they (we) serve a purpose... andrew's pragmatic statement is right on...
- mike "glemak" dunn
here's a few more stretches now that i'm on a laptop & not my iphone - 1) revenue in 6 months along w/ selling into enterprise is a challenge since enterprise sales cycles are notoriously long for any company let alone an unproven startup 2) integrates easily in an enterprise space is an oxymoron - again, its a good post and not all things stated are stretches (plus it is his fund so his call)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
sorry one more, the positive: "intersection of web services, network performance and cloud computing. More and more enterprises will shift portions of their processing, services and storage to the cloud, as the imperatives of cost reduction, scalability and flexibility take hold." - i think this is right on and valid, i'm seeing the same sorts of companies approach me and can't fault their biz models...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Andrew/Gregory, I actually clarified this in another comment thread. What I mean is that it takes no more than $1-$2 million to know if you've got a $25-$50 million business. I take lots of risk. I just want to make sure the business doesn't require loads of capital to know whether or not it is likely to get the traction required to be successful. It may well make sense to raise an additional $2-$3 million in a Series A to help the company execute its growth plan, and I'm ok with that.
- Roger
Gotcha, thanks Roger, makes sense.
- Andrew Badera
Conversation Clusters on FF: do you want folks to connect fragmented conversations or not? (my vote = YES connect them; use a "private" room if you don't want convos connected) - http://qik.com/video/135273
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yes...linked to each other, but not combined (if that makes sense). maybe a link under More to related posts/convos?
- Trent Olson
See Robert Scoble's Qik video on FF Conversation clusters; micro conversations; rooms and need for better tools on FF... good piece Robert & Patrick (impromptu camera man!) http://qik.com/video/135273
- Susan Beebe
yes. stitching together memes using people is desirable, especially considering how fast the Friendfeed River of Noise runs. This is a classic cataloging technique. It's the "See also" or "Related topics" technique.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
In the new model, do you see this comment under your initial comment AND under my name ?
- martin english
from twhirl
Yes- b/c with new articles coming up I see a few diff. FF posts about it- having clustering sounds great, and like Trent's idea of "more..."
- anna sauce
I'd like to have the choice of joining the connected conversation or starting a new conversation. The private room idea is interesting, but it might be too much effort (and too much room invite spam) for most people to start a new room, invite a specific list of friends, and have them join and participate..
- Hao Chen
Certainly Not. I've watched Robert's video and I couldn't agree less with him. It would be terrible if lots of conversations were carried on behind closed doors - which is what he's advocating. It would completely defeat the purpose of having an open system where people can actually move through the social network and discover each other. Likewise it would be terrible if all of the conversations about the same content were aggregated together automatically just like reddit.
- Robin Barooah
Has anyone stopped to wonder why it is we love FriendFeed so much? I think the quality of the conversation has a lot to do with the fact that it is seeded in small groups and then grows across the social network. Duplicates may be annoying some of us, but are they such a problem that we should risk destroying the community to get rid of them?
- Robin Barooah
Robin: private conversations happen all the time. Look at Calacanis' email list or Facebook or, well, the Fortune conference I am now at. I wish there were more choices in who I have conversations with.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - agreed - and personally I don't have any problem with people like you 'manually' connecting conversations. My point is that FriendFeed is currently different - it's semi-permeable, and perhaps we love it because of that. Imagine you automatically aggregated conversations based on content and FriendFeed had 100M users - I don't want to be in a conversation with the 1% of those people who happened to post about a particular news item.
- Robin Barooah
What about this: You see the item you or one of your friends shared with its respective comments and a link (something like "more discussions") so you can see more conversations about the same item. If many of your friends shared it, you see the one with more comments first.
- Alejandro
Robert, so you have what, *thousands* of people you can have conversations with and it's not enough? Really? You could always go raise some venture capital and attempt to build a service that would allow you to have even more conversations. I don't think that should be FriendFeed's or any other company's goal though. That's not a slam on you, I just don't think these services should worry about designing to solve for your very extreme case.
- Robert Seidman
Robert: I follow 3000. That is enough. The problem we are discussing isn't that I don't have enough. Why are you changing the discussion. Actually THAT is what we are discussing! How to keep random people from changing the conversation! Heh!
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, you may have ADD. About 5 comments up (as I write this) you wrote (in THIS thread): I wish there were more choices in who I have conversations with. - Robert Scoble Or, I merely misunderstood what you meant.
- Robert Seidman
I don't see a need to connect the conversations any more than I believe there should be only one place to have a comment thread on a blog post. If Robert and others believe that commenting on FriendFeed is okay, then commenting in multiple places in FriendFeed is okay as well.
- Louis Gray
I don't see a problem with people trying to link the conversations together, but I also don't lose sleep over the fragmentation. This is another case where I would rather see conversations connected by some third party tool. I don't think it should be a FF thing. I am also pretty positive such tools already exist.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Scoble: I did watch your video Susan linked to, but I come down being with Louis and remain steadfast in the hope that FriendFeed doesn't design the service to your tastes. Here's why: you follow three thousand people. If FriendFeed scales to 10 million users you can pretty much count on 99% of them following less than 100 people. I have no doubt FriendFeed has these stats and can check it with the current base. You're such an extreme use case that you're a bad person to design this service.
- Robert Seidman
I want a feature in FF that allows me to SEE all the conversations in flight around a particular post so that I can join 1 or multiple convos and comment accordingly. Currently I can NOT see the entire picture. I can't even imagine how huge the conversations would be if we had EVERYONE in the same conversation. this goes back to my request to have the ability to FLAG a convo to a particular category of interest.
- Susan Beebe
Robert: I'm not designing this service, first of all. Second of all, I've shown it to a LOT of people and the #1 thing they tell me why they don't come back? "It's too noisy." So, there's something wrong with the design that's keeping it from going really big, so I seriously doubt we'll get to 10 million users anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: you should learn to use the search. Go to the "Everyone" tab. Then search on something. You'll see all conversations, including from people you've previously blocked or hidden. In fact, this would be a killer feature: to be able to search the main topic of a comment cluster right from a link at the bottom of the cluster. Sort of like Techmeme lets you turn on search if you want (it's in the preferences on there).
- Robert Scoble
Susan I understand the flag/pin, but here's the critical piece I am missing as far as ability to see the entire picture -- why? Why does anyone want this? I for example am very interested in how Apple is handling Steve Job's health, but if you provided me with a tool that allowed me to read every post and every comment on this topic, there wouldn't be enough time to get through it. It could be done, but I don't see what the true benefit is beyond some illusion of control. What am I missing?
- Robert Seidman
The tools are already here to make Friendfeed pretty much anything you want. While the comment fragmenting can be mind-boggling, it also has 'some' advantages, like good or very popular pieces hitting the front page multiple times. I have invested a lot of time here and have a lot of faith in the FF team to do what works ... over time ... at the right time. Hopefully I won't be wrong. I hope I'm not in the minority I visit and clean up my own feed about once a day (IE: Items without comments ... gone).
- Charlie Anzman
@Scobelizer - people I've shown FF to have made similar 'it's too noisy' complaints. But when I've asked them what they mean it's always the FOAF stuff that they dislike - specifically the 'celebrities' who they don't have any connection with. I personally like some of what the a-list have to say, and enjoy the stream of content that I don't have time to look for, but some of my friends have switched off FOAF because of me commenting on posts by you, Arrington, etc.
- Robin Barooah
@Scobelizer - could it be that people think it's too noisy when you show it to them because your personal view is much more noisy than almost anyone elses? In fact I unsubscribed to you myself, although am subscribed to some people who are subscribed to you who act as a filter for me.
- Robin Barooah
Robin, exactly: imagine the service as intended, and not as some SNS pyramid scheme to drive traffic to your blog or Scoble/Louis Gray "super users". You follow less than 50 people, your real friends, family, co-workers. You see their pictures, their blog posts, what they find interesting to share, what music they're liking etc all in one convenient place. Too quiet for Scoble, but not too noisy for most.
- Robert Seidman
Robin: yes, that's possible, but usually the noise they mean is the duplications that they see, and also that conversations keep coming up in their face. They are used to Twitter or Facebook, which just is a straight stream. Then I teach them about hide and they usually calm down. The subscribing to noisy people is a problem, but think about a newbie: who should they follow? No one? Then FF is lame. Scoble? Great for techie geeks who like that kind of flow.
- Robert Scoble
Even if you follow a few non-noisy people you still see lots of duplication and noise. It's a real problem. Most people don't like systems like these. They don't also like participating in conversations, especially when they don't know who is participating.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobelizer - I don't disagree with those statements. I just think the solution isn't obvious and may end up being quite subtle. Also - as to newbies - perhaps it's not going to spread though people typing www.friendfeed.com into their browsers and not knowing who to follow but though word of mouth giving them some obvious personal starting points.
- Robin Barooah
Robert Scoble: Good call - I do need to learn to use the FF search better to find conversations / topics (I rarely use this feature and should do so more often - thanks!). I've only blocked 2 people and hidden FOAF on some heavy feeds (too much noise); I like REALLY like your idea of Search with main topic (parent) displayed with related topics (children) with Links to each. The Techmeme example you gave was great too - that would be cool!
- Susan Beebe
Robert Seidman: the reason I want a "Flag conversation" feature in FF is so that I can view / monitor conversations and IDEAS as they emerge. I may not participate in all those conversations, but I will scan them for sure - and I will LEARN and grow from my exposure to the marvelous ideas and concepts presented in those rich and diverse threads. I've learned much even from this one...
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- Susan Beebe
Susan, I use the Read Later Greasemonkey plugin for Flagging convos.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rasheed do you have a link to that Greasemonkey script so I can use it too... nice idea!
- Susan Beebe
Thanks, Susan. But I *do* understand why you want flag and completely agree it'd be a useful feature. What I don't understand is the value in seeing every single comment on a topic everywhere commenting on a particular topic occurs (though as Scoble notes you can get much of it via search).
- Robert Seidman
Robert Seidman: This same convo is happening in at least 3 active ares on FF with Scoble and I participating. This is where the signal is. I want to scan (not read every comment -- too time consuming -- to learn and also participate/ contribute to each related convo accordingly (although sometimes I must read all the comments in order to fully appreciate the developed maturity of a...
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- Susan Beebe
How would flagging be different from Liking?
- Mike Chelen
FriendFeed adds support for Facebook, Joost, BackType, Twine, and Wakoopa - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
Darren Heydon, Nicholas James, Nimaa and 34 other people liked this
Great, finally no more need to add it as generic RSS feed. But how about including photo stories too? I can't find a way to estract a feed for them, but it must exist through some API as lifestream.fm does include them in its service.
- Flavio
Good step. Puzzled why shared item entries' text appears while plain old vanilla entries do not though.
- Kevin Leroux
It would be also nice to combine comments on FB with comments on FF
- Flavio
I can't add my Facebook account to FF,I can't either add the "Facebook Mini-Feed Status Stories page" or the "Status Stories page" on the add Facebook status URL page.Notice of "The given URL does not appear to be a Facebook Status feed URL" comes no matter how I try.
- Steve Chou
Steve: have you turned off the feed in your privacy settings? See http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Bret Taylor
The only appropriate item for me would be facebook, but it's pretty much just my twitter feed and the occasional other random thing. Cool that they added it, but skipped :)
- Brett Kelly
Bret: Still the same after I follow your suggestion.
- Steve Chou
great idea, but unfortunately i can't add my facebook status :( "We could not find the given account" here's a screenshot http://www.zweipunktnull.org/blog...
- Carsten
Carsten, there's a character encoding problem. Facebook seems to be returning an unpredictable mix of utf-8 and latin-1. I'll have to figure out how to handle that (we currently assume utf-8).
- Paul Buchheit
Carsten, your Facebook import should now work. Try again and let me know how it goes.
- Paul Buchheit
Why not let the users create their own input modules for any service they want?
- Felix
Felix: you can add any RSS feed as a "blog" service type. It isn't ideal but it will get any feed into FriendFeed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin, thank you, but I'd love to configure the favicon and the wording
- Felix
Now Facebook finally work on FF.
- Steve Chou
The facebook pages linked to at http://friendfeed.com/about... don't exist or are not as shown.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
FB has had a redesign and the status updates link is gone. Can anyone help here?
- Kol Tregaskes
I wish we could have more technical discussions here, take a look at this http://00f.net/2009...
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آینده مال این دیتابیسهاست. یعنی از مایسکوئل تا اوراکل کاری این دیتابیسها به سر من آوردند حال من از ریلیشنال به هم میخوره. اگر میبینید بالاترین مثل سابق فس نمیزنه مال اینه که یک لایه «ممکشدی» بین دیتابیس و برنامه تقریبا همه چیز را توی کش (مموری) نگه میداره. این فرندفیدیها هم با شامورتی بازی از مایسکوئل استفاده میکنند.
- رضا بلا
We're using Memcached (key/value store) to cache almost everything you see in Balatarin: links, users, categories and even view fragments. The problem with Memcached is persistence, you'll lose everything as soon as you restart Memcahed server. I have played with Tokyo Cabinet and it's fantastic. Installed Redis but haven't played with it. CouchDB is still an early beta.
- رضا بلا
که بعد سایت رو هک کنی جی پی اس؟ :))
- حامد
معمولا نمیشود از روی وبسایت گفت که دیتابیسش چی است. چون برنامه وبسایت کاملا بین بیننده و دیتابیس جدایی می اندازد.
- مهدی یحیی
جی پی اس باید سعی کنی دیتابیس را وادار به غرغر کردن کنی. حالا چه با اینجکشن و چه با تکنیک های دیگر. بعد از روی ارور دیتابیس را شناسایی کنی
- farzaam
رضا بیا اینجا در مورد تاثیر سیکوئل فری دیتابیس ها بر معماری و طراحی بنویس، مخصوصاً در دیتا لیر با توجه به اینهمه میدلور. همه را دور بریزیم و اساساً میدلورهای جدیدی را در معماری جدیدی جا بدهیم؟ یا واسط درست کنیم بین واسط های قبلی و دیتابیس که خیلی مشکلزاست
- farzaam
@farzaam نه دیگه. کاری که گوگل میکنه همینه که کلا ریلیشنال رو کنار گذاشته. همه کاری هم با مپ/ردیوس میشه کرد.
- رضا بلا
داستان کامنتهای بالاترین و خیلی از سایت های اجتماعی دیگر... - http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1...
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H.M.Nasrabadi, Nasser Hasani, بخشوده ‹•¿•›™ and 15 other people liked this
خیلی جالب بود :))
- Shahed
cool
- Shayanlinux
صفحه فیلتره
- Amir Homaiy
متاسفم. واقعا باید فکری کرد به حال این فیلترینگ...
- Aziz
بسیار عالی
- Hameds
Soooo Gay :)
- Nikpay
Hala vaase The Richter Scales bood? Kareshoon doroste
- Nikpay
ولی عزیز جان کامنت های بالاترین چیز دیگه ای نگاه کن http://balatarin.com/permlin...
- امیرریدر
اگه حال نداد این رو هم بخون :))http://balatarin.com/permlin...
- امیرریدر
عزیز وقت نداره . امیر مزاحم نشو!
- حامد
زاغارت!
- حامد
یعنی واقعن کسی نیست به داد آدم برسه تو این بالاترین؟ این دومین یاره که وقتی انرژی من یه روز منفی میشه، برای بیشتر از یه ماه همون منفی باقی میمونه. شونصدبار اینجا تقاضا کردم، به مهدی گفتم، میل زدم... اما کو گوش شنوا! بابا به کاربراتون احترام بذارین یه خورده
- Iman
باز هم همینجا مینویسم و برای شونصد و یکمین بار: آی دی من در بالاترین مدت طولانی است که به دلیل ثلبت ماندن انرژی روزانه روی -1575! عملن بی استفاده شده. به هزار و یک راه متوسل شدم، به بالاترین ایمیل زدم، دوستانم به بالاترین ایمیل زدند، در بخش نظرات لینکهای مربوط به بالاترین دوستان نوشتند، اینجا در لینکهای عزیزخان بارها و بارها نوشتم! و البته چون این اتفاق مسبوق به سابقه است و برای بار دوم است که اکانت من این بلا سرش میاید، دارم کمک کمک به چیزهای دیگری مشکوک میشم
- Iman
نوحه به زبان انگلیسی - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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H.M.Nasrabadi, pari, حیـــــدر and 20 other people liked this
تو موبایلا دیدمش باحاله
- M∂s♥ud
هر زبانی را بهرکاری ساختند.
- مهدی یحیی
جناب یحی نژاد یعنی فارسی و عربی برای عزاداری و یحتمل انگلیسی هم برای پاپ؟ :دی
- Lord hozeh
حوزه جان هر چى باشه فارسى برا عزادارى نيست، الباقى رو نميدونم
- jandark
جناب ژاندارک اینکه میشه عیب !! ادبیات و زبانی غنیه که هم بشه باهاش رقصوند هم بشه باهاش اشک درآورد
- Lord hozeh
مشكل از ادبيات نيست برادر! بيش از هزار سالى ميشه كه اصرار به استفاده از اين زبان براى اشك زايى شده نه اشك زدايى، بساطى كه تفاوتش با كف زدن و سينه زدن مشخص ميشود نه محتوا، اى كاش اين ايراد زبان فارسى را قبول نموده نسبت به تعويض زبان ( و متعاقبا مكان! ) به عربى اقدامات لازم را مبذول بفرماييد!-
- jandark
چه در ادبیات فارسی و چه در ادبیات عرب اشک زدایی خیلی بیشتر از اشک زایی ست این شرایط هستند که چاشنی این دو را در برهه های مختلف زیاد و کم می کنند نه نفس ادبیاتها و زبان .برای مقابله با افراط در عزاداری نبایستی با تفریط و نفی و سلب هرگونه عزاداری جلو اومد اصولا زبان چیزی نیست که بخواهیم بنا بر سلایق شخصی درش قبض و بسط کنیم
- Lord hozeh
پس قبول ميفرماييد كه ادبيات منفك از مذهب است، بدين معنى كه در ادبيات ايرانى سالروز عزادارى به آن صورت نداريم و اين يك پديده وارداتى از يك فرهنگ متخاصم است، فكر ميكنيد اگر در اين لحظه كلوبهاى موسيقى ( همان ديسكو تك كه اميدوارم به معنيش آشنا باشيد) در ايران آزاد شه كدوم پذيراى جمعيت بيشترى خواهد بود، تكيه يا ديسكو؟-
- jandark
جناب ژاندارک اگر من بخوام برای شما مثال بزنم مثال قیچی رو می زنم. ادبیات مثل قیچی می مونه که شما باهاش از هر طرف بخواهید می تونید ببرید البته این قیچی کند و تیز داره که برحسب غناشه اصولا ما در ادبیات سالروز هیچ چیزی نداریم نه عزا نه شادی مطلب دیگر اینکه هنگام بحث روی ادبیات و امثال اینها بحث ملیت را بگذارید کنار چون حب و بغض در این موارد واقعا آفت حقیقتند . در مورد ادبیات فارسی و عربی...
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- Lord hozeh
مطلب دیگه اینکه قضاوت در مورد تکیه و دیسکو در ایران آزاد بسیار مشکله چون ما مصادیقی داریم مثل جمعیت جوونها در مهدیه تهران برای روضه کافی در زمون شاه که چنین جمعیتی رو دیسکو ها نداشتیم . برای قضاوت در مورد چنین مسائلی باید مولفه های زیادی مورد بررسی قرار بگیرند
- Lord hozeh
لایک برا عزیز و ویدئوی زیبایی که گذاشت و دیسلایک برا ژاندارک - حالم از این توهمات پان ایرانسیم به هم می خوره !
- سید مرتضی
@hozeh خیلی تحقیق اخیرا شده که نشان میدهد زبانها روی نگاه آدمها به دنیا تاثیر میگذارند. مثلا مذکر یا مونث بودن اشیا که در بعضی زبانها وجود دارد روی رابطه افراد با آن اشیا تاثیر میگذارد. اخیرا یک محقق در یک آزمایش جالب به یک عده داوطلب زبانی ساختگی یاد داده که جنسیت اشیا را کنترل میکرده و نشان داده که افراد عکس العمل متفاوتی دارند اگر کلمه مذکر برای جسم استفاده کنند تا مونث.
- مهدی یحیی
جناب یحیی نژاد از متقن بودن یا نبودن تحقیق فوق که بگذریم آیا محققین گفتند بنا بر این مبنا نمی شود با زبان انگلیسی نوحه خواند؟ :دی
- Lord hozeh
عینا سوال حوزه را از جناب یحیی نژاد دارم :آیا محققین گفتند بنا بر این مبنا نمی شود با زبان انگلیسی نوحه خواند؟....آقای یحیی نژاد حتما کتاب های چامسکی و نظام آوایی زبان وارتباطات را خوانده اند؟..ید پیوستگی زبان ها را هم حتما می دانند که در چیست؟پس اینکه زبان منبع چیست یک بحث است یعنی بحث اصالت زبانی و اورجینال بودن عبارت ها..تلاش برای نزدیک سازی خود با زبانی دیگر با آن عبارت چیز...
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- ehsan
نایتمر جان شما اصولا اسم مذهب که می آید چنین احساسی بهت دست میدهد که علت دیگری هم دارد:)..
- ehsan
نایتمرجان گمانم با لودگی مشکل شما در زمینه ی بحث ما با آقای یحیی نژاد حل نشود
- ehsan
قطعا به خاطر عادت نداشتن است..من به شما اطمینان میدهم..وقتی شما در چند زبان فارسی و ترکی و عربی این احساس را ندارید یا بسیاری از دوستان فرانسه زبان و انگلیسی زبان من هم این نوع نوحه خوانی با زبان مادری شان را دوست دارند و از همین راه و با شنیدن آن اسلام آورده اند و اکثر کسانی که من دیده ام و اتفاقا مسلط به زبان هم هستند به خاطر زیباییش مرتب این نوع نوحه ها را بلوتوث میکنند ..به همین...
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- ehsan
نه اتفاقا به بحث کمک میکند ..من مخالف حذف کامنتهایتان هستم البته خودتان مختارید
- ehsan
@ehsan نه نوحه و نه شعر در انگلیسی آن جاذبه را ندارند. این کاملا یک نظر شخصی است. اما ممکن است واقعیتهایی دیگری منجر به این شده باشد. اینکه مثلا انگلیسی زبانها آنقدر وقت به خواندن شعر نمیگذارند ممکن است به این دلیل باشد که خواندن شعر در زبان انگلیسی به لذت خواندن شعر در زبان فارسی نیست.
- مهدی یحیی
اما استاد زبان بنده چنان با حرارت و زیبا شعر میخواند و بنده با اینکه با آن ها همزبان نیستم(از نظر زبان مادری) کاملا با آن ارتباط برقرار می کنم..قطعا یک زبان با زبان دیگر از نظر ادبیات متفاوت است اما اینکه یک انگلیسی زبان با زبان مادریش می تواند با مفاهیم ارتباط بهتری برقرار کند و یک فارسی زبان هم با زبان مادریش افرادی مثل مولوی یا شاعرمذهبی انگلیسی زبان را واردار می کند که مذهب را از...
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- ehsan
نوحه هم که می دانید در زبان عربی تولد یافته و سپس در فارسی به بلوغ رسیده کمتر شعر زیبایی از دوران پیش از اسلام در زبان فارسی وجود دارد..یا بنده به خاطر ندارم..شاید این زبان مولد شاعری بوده باشد..در هرصورت نظر شخصی شما هم محترم است و جای بررسی دارد
- ehsan
به جنابعالی هم پیشنهاد میکنم حتما بحث های این فید را بخوانید http://friendfeed.com/e... شبتان خوش
- ehsan
یعنی واقعن کسی نیست به داد آدم برسه تو این بالاترین؟ این دومین یاره که وقتی انرژی من یه روز منفی میشه، برای بیشتر از یه ماه همون منفی باقی میمونه. شونصدبار اینجا تقاضا کردم، به مهدی گفتم، میل زدم... اما کو گوش شنوا! بابا به کاربراتون احترام بذارین یه خورده
- Iman
شايد بشه با ادبيات انگليسي هم اشك درآورد! ولي نه با همون لحن فارسي و ترجمه تحت الفظي كلمات نوحه فارسي! هر زباني فرهنگ خودش رو داره! بايد فهميد تو اون فرهنگ چه لحني و چه بياني همون نتيجه رو داره!!!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
خب شاید عده ای از کفار با شنیدن سرنوشت امام حسین و یارانش ایمان بیاورند . باشد که همگی رستگار شویم
- Hamed
باز هم همینجا مینویسم و برای شونصد و یکمین بار: آی دی من در بالاترین مدت طولانی است که به دلیل ثلبت ماندن انرژی روزانه روی -1575! عملن بی استفاده شده. به هزار و یک راه متوسل شدم، به بالاترین ایمیل زدم، دوستانم به بالاترین ایمیل زدند، در بخش نظرات لینکهای مربوط به بالاترین دوستان نوشتند، اینجا در لینکهای عزیزخان بارها و بارها نوشتم! و البته چون این اتفاق مسبوق به سابقه است و برای بار دوم است که اکانت من این بلا سرش میاید، دارم کمک کمک به چیزهای دیگری مشکوک میشم
- Iman
Messing with the CSS for the FriendFeed widget on benjamingolub.com, no more header or border - http://benjamingolub.com
Keith Bourgoin, Bindu Reddy, (jeff)isageek and 23 other people liked this
looks good sorta fades into the rest of the page
- Susan Beebe
Integrates much more nicely with the site, although it highlights the disqus block which sticks out quite a bit now.
- felix
Felix: fixed was working on the disqus block; which now fades in nicely too (no logo, no header, no background, no border). What do you think?
- Benjamin Golub
Yeah i need to get to that. So much work left to do on my blog
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I should have figured, looks great now! total worthless opinion time - but if you switch disqus to the small avatars it'll blend even more.
- felix
Nice; made them half the size.
- Benjamin Golub
Looks great Benjamin!
- Phil G
Ah, that looks just right! Now I feel like tweaking my blog a little! Must resist, too much work....
- felix
http://benjamingolub.com/wordpre... <-- scroll down to the bottom to see the changes I made to make the FriendFeed and Disqus look nice. Feel free to swipe it.
- Benjamin Golub
Looks good! I think I'll swipe your .friendfeed CSS (all of two selectors) and tweak my own widget. Thanks! :-) EDIT: I'm also removing the background, since my blog's BG isn't plain white.
- Voyagerfan5761
OK, how's mine look? http://voyagerfan5761.blogspot.com/ It's down under the About Me box, so you'll have to scroll a bit. My only complaint is the fact that service names get cut off when they're long, but that's no biggie because of the icons.
- Voyagerfan5761
Very nice. Turn off overflow: hidden and white-space: nowrap if you don't want things getting cut off. Reference the CSS they inject: http://friendfeed.com/static...
- Benjamin Golub
Woo! Thanks, Benjamin! Now I have Google\n Reader instead of Google Read| Yay! And all it took was to add: .friendfeed .feed .entry .comments .comment, .friendfeed .feed .entry .body .summary { white-space: normal !important; }
- Voyagerfan5761
kept my header, but got rid of the borders: http://www.sheysmith.com/lifestr...
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I did this recently too... I'm still tweaking it at the top of http://bwana.org and on http://bwana.org/lifestream (at the bottom)
- Bwana ☠
I hate how the widget doesn't line wrap comments. FriendFeed needs to fix that. They should truncate it nicely and add "..." at the end.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana; CSS can handle that for you. overflow: hidden is what is making it hidden.
- Benjamin Golub
Hmm, ok. The other options don't sound appealing. I don't want scroll, nor do I want it rendered outside the element
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, white-space: nowrap is set; if you turn that off then it will stay inside the div. I think that's what Voyagerfan did.
- Benjamin Golub
I did indeed override white-space: nowrap. Use white-space: normal !important; to do so.
- Voyagerfan5761
Am trying to find a way to do this. Tips would be good.
- arasmus
arasmus: what do you need done?
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin, did you see what I did with the Lijit block on staynalive.com (upper-right)? I should do the same with the other widgets on there.
- Jesse Stay
See also http://thomas.wittek.me/ for a quite messed-up version of the widget. In fact its HTML is loaded on the server and served as the page's content.
- Thomas
not trying to threadjack but the "happy birthday" photo that showed up in your side bar is great..
- Bill Rawlinson
Benjamin - just saw your response. Thanks. My embed is on my Lifestream on www.arasmus.com. I want to get rid of the blue border, blue hyperlinks and have the text style match the rest of the site. All recommendations to date are to go and adjust the CSS with attendant warnings that doing so may affect photos, video, and pics associated with each item. Seems rather complicated. Whatyathink?
- arasmus
arasmus: that is all possible through CSS. Here is some to get you started: .friendfeed.widget { border: 0 !important; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Trebuchet, Verdana, sans-serif !important; font-size: 13px !important; } .friendfeed.widget a { color: red !important; }
- Benjamin Golub
Photos of Mars canyons beamed back to Earth - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth...
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"Some of the clearest pictures ever of the surface of Mars have been beamed back to Earth from a European Space Agency probe."
- RAPatton
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Do you reckon they will find life, if there is water there then it's highly likely!
- Joe Dawson
Here comes another RAPatton news blitz (not complaining)
- Toby Graham
Almost done for now, Toby!
- RAPatton
@joe if there is no real atmosphere, life can be *disinfected* by space radiation (alpha- and gamma- particles)
- A.T.
I'd love to terraform mars, but I suspect when the time comes their will be a preservationist movement that will seek to stop it.
- RAPatton
@RAPatton, Maybe we should terraform it regardless. I think one day it will be necessary to give the human race's chances of continued survival a boost. The cost may prove cheap one day.
- Mo Kargas
I am all for it! Start dropping comets on Mars ASAP as far as I am concerned.
- RAPatton
Wow - these photos are simply astonishing.
- Sean McBride
like Sean said. amazing pictures
- Nathan Rein
I'm shamelessly grabbing this for my Mento feed. Wonder where the Telegraph got the photos; I don't see anything like this on the Phoenix site.
- Nathan Rein
The images are from the ESA's Mars Express, not from Phoenix.
- RAPatton
The colorspace is very 1960s/1970s. It almost feels like these were taken during the Mariner program
- Mark Trapp
Probably Mars haven't changed very much since '70s?
- 9000
Nice!!!
- Mitchell Tsai
@9000 Not been much development in that area? ;)
- Ian May
That is amazing...
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Let's talk on friendfeed about my wacky idea to combine techmeme, friendfeed, google news, twitter search into 1 site:
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I tweeted this: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... and it got a big discussion going about what I was looking for. Here's more details:
- Robert Scoble
I was looking at the "Everyone" page here on friendfeed and realized what I wanted was the "everyone" page, but filtered to show items that were already on Techmeme.
- Robert Scoble
Then I thought about all the other sites I visit every morning. Google News. Google Blog Search. Twitter search. And wondered why no one had built a "meta news" site that uses all of these. http://www.techfuga.com/ is one idea. http://www.feedly.com is another. http://www.alltop.com is another.
- Robert Scoble
As I said on Twitter, you're looking to solve a problem VERY few people have + are going to have in the future.
- Robin Wauters
But none of those satisfy. None have done a good job for me alone.
- Robert Scoble
I want the same thing. All my RSS feeds in one client, with the ability to tweet them, and have a conversation thread that you can actually follow (which for one reason or another Twitter doesn't enable very well). Add to that search capabilities that span several social networks and then you'd have a winner.
- Josue Fontanez
Robert, seems like it's already a pretty doable idea using Yahoo pipes and dupe removal...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Robin: I really don't give a shit. Why does everything have to be for billions of people?
- Robert Scoble
Your wacky idea should have an algorithm to combine similar posts (links to articles, mainly). FF doesn't seem to do this very well.
- You.
Robin: a great meal happens four people at a time. No one complains that no one else can experience it.
- Robert Scoble
Everyone: There's millions to be made here. Pay attention!
- Meryn Stol
Tina: I need to learn Yahoo Pipes. Has anyone created a Pipe that does something close to this?
- Robert Scoble
@RobinWauters maybe it's a problem that people just aren't aware that they have.
- Landon
I have no capital to invest in your plan Robert, but I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, and support this idea in a non-money sort of way.
- Matthew DeVries
Robin: great technologies get built to scratch an itch all the time. Even Twitter. When they built it they had no clue that it would be popular.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not sure they should join such a site even if it were cool. Twitter search is destined for greatness. Imagine Live.com was the only search engine to display real-time results from Twitter.com together with their normal results? People would search for something, and not only get the usual results, but what people are saying about that right now. It would be a killer combo, something...
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- Odi Kosmatos
Scoble, why don't you quickly break down what specific value each service brings to the table? ie why do you bother going there in the first place?
- Landon
I've played around with Pipes and it's a very powerful (and not surprisingly user-unfriendly) technology.
- You.
Landon: sure. Techmeme shows me the biggest stories in Tech in a way that's unique and shows me lots of blogs that are talking about each story. Friendfeed has the best community and best "live web" search engine. Google News shows me all the news from around the world. Sports. Finance. Big city stuff. Etc. Just like your newspaper.Twitter search shows me what people are talking about right now.
- Robert Scoble
Pipes seem too complicated for my musician mind. I should have digged it more, but I don't have much time to find a perfect solution for myself. I wish I could just login to one account and everyone I'm interested in would be there.
- ilter
I'd like to be able to subscribe to notifications on a post's comments. Like FB, I guess.
- You.
Take a look at Streamy. I'm finding it to be very useful for this type of thing. Saved FF and Twitter searches like TweetDeck. Across the board service seraches. The service itself is similar to FF (with discussions, etc) but a much better RSS reader than FF. Development is ongoing with new features very few days right now it seems. http://www.streamy.com
- Kevin Kuphal
This morning I started out on friendfeed and noticed it was very slow. Then I went over to TechMeme and found lots of interesting stories and wondered if I was missing people talking about those stories over on friendfeed. So I went to the Everyone page here and started doing some searches. But was very frustrated with what came back (mostly non-English sites).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I've made a couple of pipes. The main ones grab info from 7-15 different feeds, remove dupes based on a couple of criteria and filters out keywords I don't want (which is a HUGE plus IMO). It's not perfect, and some dupes still get through because different sites put information in different places in their markup, but that's because I use so many sources. If you're using Google...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I wanted a friendfeed search that showed me news that was being discussed on Techmeme. That's what got me thinking about all this.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: I'd like to smoke your pipe! :-) I have a Yahoo account. You can email me at scobleizer@gmail.com
- Robert Scoble
I would want just one more element: authority. i'd like to know who submitted it and if they know their shit.
- Landon
They are integrated in my eyes, and for me.
- Richard A.
Sounds like a sort of info/comms nirvana...maybe it's an Air app, adding windows for these other services into something like what Yahoo just released which is a modest gas - Sideline.
- Thom Kennon
Robert: Would tapping into RSS be fast enough for what you want though or are you thinking more of a real time thing?
- Landon
friendfeed combines techmem, googlenew, yahoo , twitter and a lot more other sites, including itself , that is, if you sub to a room into another pvt room: !! This is a self ecusive space much like a Mandelbrot set , if you can handle it !!
- Peter Dawson
Landon: http://www.peoplebrowsr.com/ gives you some of authority because I can tag people. Someone else recommended http://oursignal.com/
- Robert Scoble
Landon: RSS isn't enough. It's not fast enough, for one, and it won't include friendfeed items for two. I'm not sure if you can even do what I want. Peter: I'm an advanced private room user here on friendfeed and it doesn't do what I want.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: I want the ranking to come along with Techmeme too. What's at the top of the page is more important than what's at the bottom. That's why RSS isn't very satisfying since that forces everything into reverse chronilogical order unless you do some wacky tricks with RSS.
- Robert Scoble
Well, I don´t know the details, but the people want to talk about popular things... other sites like Friendfeed offer this, your site must be different... what would be the difference (exactly)? I suposse the site offer the popular themes on Techmeme or Google News as topics for conversation
- HECTOR ARTURO
Robert, wouldn't it be a good idea to take the feedback and your thoughts to your blog, so you can elaborate a bit on what it is you want? You can explain in more detail and the feedback will be even more valuable.
- Robin Wauters
Hector: yup. I wish I could see conversations on friendfeed that match up to what's on Google News or on Techmeme or on Twitter search. That would be cool.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- what is the problem you are trying to solve? It seems to me you posted a solution and people are madly discussing other solutions. I don't see any clear statement of the problem.
- Brian Sullivan
Robin: yup, after I think about it some more. This was mostly a brain fart I had and I like being interactive when I'm brainstorming ideas like this. Seems to have at least a few other people interested too.
- Robert Scoble
Brian: the problem is that on friendfeed it's hard to find the really good tech conversations. If you are over on Google News, it's hard to find the blogs and tweets and friendfeed conversations that are happening around the news. If you are over on Techmeme it's hard to find the stuff that's happening on Twitter or friendfeed. That tells me there's opportunity for something new to glue all of these together to make all of them more useful.
- Robert Scoble
It's an interesting train of thought, but I'm still left wondering what you want
- Robin Wauters
Robert: I think this is a great idea...I'm swimming in all the details of trying to sift the news and see whats really happening and what people really think about it. I also don't have as much time to go through each and every site to discover the gems-This idea certainly has the potential of being VERY useful to a good number of people. Meryn points out there are millions to be made w/ this - Correct. Directly possibly, and Indirectly FOR SURE.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: I can dm or email you something I'm working on that you might like. Private - trying to launch at TC50.
- Landon
Robin: let's just take it from friendfeed for a second, to answer what I want. I want to have a site that uses the "Everyone" feed and shows me everyone who is discussing an item that's currently on Techmeme. I'd love it if it were displayed like Techmeme too. Is that understandable as to what I want? Now, that we got that, let's add Twitter search's trending topics. Cool? Now let's add Google News.
- Robert Scoble
the question is does FF support any RSS feed? if so then integrate what you want, integrating service is interesting, filtering by interest even more interesting.
- abdellah
Landon: please do. I'll keep to embargoes. scobleizer@gmail.com or you can call me at +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Here is a search that shows all of the most engaged items on friendfeed right now. (This search shows all items on the Everyone feed that have 5 comments AND five "likes."). http://friendfeed.com/search... Note how noisy it is and how unfocused it is. I'd love it if I could say "filter by Techmeme." Or "filter by what's currently on Google News."
- Robert Scoble
love that idea filtering by service :)
- abdellah
abdellah: Friendfeed can pull in any RSS feed (or most of them, anyway) but that's not what I want. I want it to display items that are already on Techmeme. RSS might play a role in that, but it isn't enough. I'd need an engine to go through the Everyone feed looking for discussions already taking place and then I'd need to display those. Techmeme's value is in its display, which isn't easy to communicate via RSS. It's a tough problem.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. Here's a quick screenshot I did from Streamy. Took seconds to create a search widget added to my FF page that shows techmeme conversations. http://img504.imageshack.us/img504.... Works the same for searching twitter as well as your RSS feeds.
- Kevin Kuphal
Well, casually. some minutes ago, I was talking about the tendences on Twitter users & those tendences can fix on your project (if is a project): http://twitter.com/hectora... http://twitter.com/hectora... http://twitter.com/hectora... http://twitter.com/leugimf...
- HECTOR ARTURO
Robert: i'll buzz you now if that's cool.
- Landon
Fallon's Skimmer - http://www.fallon.com/skimmer - does a good job of the more media-centric social networks (FB, YT, etc) - maybe an AIR app is the way to tackle this as opposed to burying it in a tab that can easily lose its session/context/settings etc...
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Tina: you have the right idea here with your pipe setup & de-duping- It would be great if something could then point out where all the dupes are at the end of each entry, rate/rank by # reads (of article and originating sites), and have "authority" rating via tags perhaps imported from the likes of peoplebrowsr.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kevin: but that shows all items that discuss Techmeme. I don't want that. Too noisy. I only want to see items that actually are ON Techmeme.
- Robert Scoble
sounds like my stream, thankyou, lol :)
- chaz2b
Heavens me, Robert. I would love to have 'problems' like this. For someone whose on the interent non-stop, what would you do with all the free time you'd have If you just had one "single stop" for meta-everything? (conversations, feeds etc, etc) /tounge-slightly-in-cheek, of course ;)
- Chris Duffy
I think Pipes are probably the way to go then. You really need some logic behind the filtering. More than a typical search will give.
- Kevin Kuphal
Robert - how would you relate or tag the conversations as being on "Techmeme" or "Google News". I don't think it works if it is a mechanical connection (url referenced for instance). That kind of connection misses so much is an generally unsatisfying. It seems the connecting requires intelligence, personal involvement -- difficult to do in real time -- maybe you could pay people to do it (like Mahalo?).
- Brian Sullivan
robert, I understand yes, it is a kind a a big puzzle where all the "related" "related by what" items a cross diverse services.
- abdellah
Doesn't BackType do this? Just pump a Techmeme link through BackType's API to get everyone's comments. Example: http://www.backtype.com/connect...
- Daniel Sims
Chris: if I had this, I'd find something else to complain about. :-) Kevin: I must learn to use Pipes. Marshall Kirkpatrick showed me that last year and it looked useful, but I never had a big enough need. This is it.
- Robert Scoble
Daniel: that is very close to what I want, but not there. Backtype is mostly about federating comments, I thought. At least that's how I use it, although the link you gave me shows that it can be used in other ways. Interesting.
- Robert Scoble
brian, you are brilliant, there are 2 sort of connection "words" and "social graph", without going in AI level algorithm this may be done by investigating those 2 direction : "related words" , "related peoples"
- abdellah
as brian says it is hard if we try to make it real time , pipes are useless if we have to make it real time :)
- abdellah
Brian: you might be right that it needs to have some human involvement. Even Techmeme is learning that it's better to have atul working for them (for free, I might add!) than to have just algorithms doing the work.
- Robert Scoble
I think the issue is that the controls necessary to fine tune the conversation would look like you are flying a plane. If you want to just see everything based on a keyword at a point in time there are really easy tools but if you want to archive everything, like I do in Google Reader, have curation like Techmeme, and let friends play like friendfeed it would be a very complex interface. That's why we are talking pipes, tweetdeck, http://tradeshowmetrics.com/Default... or maybe tinker.com
- Tom
I've been advocating for integration between TechMeme and FF in terms of comments and links. Twitter threads also need to be preserved in FF. I don't use GoogleReader. Lora and I have been talking about the opposite though and things getting too connected. Hotmail, for instance, shows "what's new in your network" (Twitter, Live status, etc) by default and to me this just doesn't seem...
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- Loren Heiny
I can almost guarantee you there are at least 10 people reading this who are part of teams trying to build such a service/app. I'd guess 50% are building a web site, expecting people will add yet another site to their daily workflow or just drop some other combination of sites to use theirs. 40% are probably building Air apps, and 10% are building Mac apps. And I'd guess none of them are talking to each other, because everybody wants to be the next big thing. I wonder...
- Ken Sheppardson
...what would it take to get them all in the same room, and convince them to pool resources?
- Ken Sheppardson
Isn't it far easier to just ignore it all and serendipitously skim the occasional bit or piece of it, rather than bulk it all up and eat it whole? Use the lack of integration to your advantage. Blimey, you're probably reading every single comment on here, too!
- Ian Tindale
Ian: I am! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert (or anyone else for that matter): here's an example pipe http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes... This takes a Google Blogs search for Techmeme, a FF search for Techmeme (items with > 5 likes & 5 comments), and a news.Google.com search for Techmeme. Filters out any from Scoble's site, and then permits any that are a link to Techmeme, Google News, or have...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina: that's cool, but it's not satisfying. For one, it doesn't look like either Techmeme or Friendfeed. I think I need to do a video of what I want to explain it better, but I'm off to attend the Web 2.0 expo so will noodle on that this weekend. Thanks everyone, interesting times we live in!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: this kind of pipe creates a feed that you can bring directly into FF, say into a room that you create. Just a thought.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Let's combine the whole internet into one site.... ooh wait, Google already done that.
- Amit Morson
Robert: We (BackType) certainly federate comments, but around more than their authors -- we federate around keywords (search) and content (connect) like the example Daniel showed you, which connects the conversational graph for a particular blog post. I e-mailed you about what we're doing w/ the latter. But more generally, I think FriendFeed for news is a basis for what you're...
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- Christopher Golda
@Scoble: i agree with your initial assertion that Feedly is pretty close...they've done an AMAZING job with it so far...
- .LAG liked that
I hate to pimp my own service (not really) but with our last update at justSignal.com we now have support for Twitter, Google Blog Search and Backtype - you get each as a widget that can be fully customized via CSS and incorporated into your site. You also get the DATA... which is great if you want to learn something from what you collect. FriendFeed is next on our list... Link: http://briantroy.com/blog...
- Brian Roy
@BrianRoy... everyone knows: pimpin' aint easy! i'm heading over for a look at justSignal. thx.
- .LAG liked that
LAG - love to hear your feedback/thoughts brian dot roy at cosinity dot com
- Brian Roy
@Scoble +1 for Feedly. It is FriendFeed aware.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Feedly is the service which is best on track to pull all this together.
- Sean McBride
I thought the whole point of FriendFeed was to aggregate other sources. Wouldn't it just make sense to lobby FF to add those additional things?
- Kevin Elliott
@Kevin Ah, but here's the question. Should FriendFeed be used as a 'Friend' aggregator or a 'Web Feed' aggregator ? I would prefer to use Feedly/GReader for the latter.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
In a very general sense I see things headed in that direction, aggregation of news/blog/social media sources with tools for users to interact with the content. FF already does an amazing job with much of that, of course :-)
- Eric Berlin
I am working on a site like this. Will send you invite in few days
- Niraj
I'd like to be in the beta too Niraj
- Matthew DeVries
And for your next magic trick, figure out some way to deal with all of the duplicate posts... :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
and Digg?
- HECTOR ARTURO
I like this idea of yours Robert. Portal of goodness :)
- Susan Beebe
Check out http://www.memereview.com
- James Payne
Something I have been fascinated with for years is the institution of marriage. I have always been curious whether marriage drastically limits individuals from having many rich experiences in life.
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For example, if you the one of very few single individuals in a society where everyone is a couple, life can get very boring and lonely. However, if no one ever married would life be a lot more fun and interesting?
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I think married people just have different, rich life experiences.
- Greg Guitarbuster
Bindu, I think it depends on the couple, and the kind of relationship that they have. There are experiences I've had that I would never have thought about doing, if it weren't for my SO. And same on his side. And I found that if I was limited from doing something BECAUSE of my SO, I found that he would eventually come around to my way of thinking. For example, I've wanted to make visits to Europe, but he was dead set against it. Now, he's all over it. Figures, no?
- Helen Sventitsky
Greg, I have no doubt married people have great experiences but it is hard for me to believe that you can't have more, if you had a series of long-relationships with multiple people without any stigma attached vs. one life-long relationship with one person
- Bindu Reddy
FWIW, I wrote about my own confusion about marriage in this blog post: http://tinyurl.com/cvr35g
- Mike Yang
I've had more memorable (and enjoyable) experiences in my 6.5 years with Dave than I did in the four 2 year relationships I had prior to meeting him. As with everything, your mileage may vary.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Mike - I love this line: "I’m frustrated by how (understandably) hard it is to have a conversation with married people about what makes their relationship work, other than to receive some rumination on “hard work” or “compromise” or “understanding”
- Bindu Reddy
I agree with Greg. All of life is experiences, and everyone has different ones. Single people different from couples, couples with no children different from those with. Who is to judge which experiences are better or worse?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Basically, like several people said here, it's a personal choice. You might have more experiences with multiple people, but they may or may not be better experiences. There's no way to know this for sure one way or the other. You can't live twice. I personally would prefer to spend most of my life with one partner. I'm not afraid of missing out on anything.
- Kamilah Gill
I guess I didn't phrase my initial thoughts well... What I am saying is, it's fine, if someone wants to hang out with one person for the rest of their life. Why call it a marriage and make people promise life-long allegiance etc. What happens if you fall in love with different people at different stages in your life. Things may be much simpler if we didn't have marriage as an institution and people just choose to have arbitrary-length relationships
- Bindu Reddy
People already do that even within the constructs of marriage as an institution, either via open relationships or divorce.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Why must traditional marriage be obliterated for that to happen? It should be able to co-exist with the other forms.
- Kamilah Gill
Mike, read the whole blog post now... very interesting. The question I am asking is very similar to yours. The sad part is you never know the answers to these questions since we don't have an 'experimental society' where we can run simulations and find out :)
- Bindu Reddy
It's much harder/impossible to do these things when traditional marriage exists/divorce has a huge stigma attached to it and most people are conditioned to think that you have to get married
- Bindu Reddy
Chris, :)) Not advocating cheating/divorce etc :) Just imagining a different type of society. I bet there must be a very good book where someone imagines a world like this.
- Bindu Reddy
Brave New World?
- Jim Norris
I am actually pretty fascinated with the comments. No one has a single bad thing to say about marriage :)
- Bindu Reddy
OMG marriage is TEH SUCK!!!
- vijay
Bindu, I have plenty of bad things to say about marriage, but those bad things applied equally as much to any long-term relationship where I lived with the person. He pees on the floor, leaves dirty clothes everywhere, can't throw trash away, doesn't remember things, forgets to take me into consideration when making plans, blah blah blah. Those apply just as much to my husband as it did to the boyfriend I lived with 9 years ago. The difference? I like Dave more.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Limits? It enriches in a whole new way. (of course, it depends on your partnership)
- Mona Nomura
I agree to some extent. Even though I am not convinced with the fact that all your positive energy has to be focused on one particular person at a time, I would like to believe marriage has evolved to a practice like this, because it has managed to survive compared to other practices. I think it may not promise you rich experiences, however it adds some order to the highly denormalized life.
- Karthick R
Mona has an interesting point about limits. Haven't thought much in that direction
- Bindu Reddy
Trying to be Bill Hendrickson would drive me insane.
- Greg Guitarbuster
Jill agree. Being married, doesn't mean life is narrow. Jim, did Brave New World have a discussion on marriage? I don't remember it having one
- Bindu Reddy
In Brave New World babies were incubated artificially and raised by the state, so there was no institution of marriage and sex was just for pleasure. (At least sex with Betas was.) It's been a long time since I've read that book though.
- Jim Norris
@Bindu there is book, or actually few, by Heinlein - strange is why Jill (the Librarian) hasn't mentioned him :) "Stranger in a Strange Land", "Time Enough For Love", "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"... just prepare yourself that author can go far enough from traditions. Mind you, he is not alone, just this is good test whether you'd like topic or not :)
- A.T.
@silpol, I was just thinking that this is so much up Heinlein's alley. I have heard so much about him but never finished reading any of his books. I have read the first few chapters of "Stranger in a Strange Land". I should finish that book. Chris, Plato sounds very intellectual for the likes of me. I started reading Homer once and gave up after the first 2 pages. :(
- Bindu Reddy
Yeah, Heinlein is interesting, if you find the idea of a man having sex with his adolescent twin daughters cloned from his own DNA interesting.
- Jim Norris
You lose out on some things, but you gain in others.
- John E. Bredehoft
@Bindu you were asking _why_ almost nobody tells anything against marriage... now, we've just made discussion/hypothetical step away from mainstream/*norm*/vanilla - and there is already Jim declaring _readers_ of Heinlein as evil child abusers...
- A.T.
Yes Heinlein of all the sci-fi writers was the one to examine the whole idea of what marriage was. He proposed that marriage should become more of a renewable contract due to the increasing lifespan of mankind. Given that we are looking at a time in our own society where our lifespan is increasingly hitting the century mark (and proposed to go beyond that) I think this will be something we will be discussing more and more.
- Steven Hodson
As a 24 year old with a girlfriend, I would add that the thought of marriage just seems like committing to a legal arrangement, when the 'arrangement' (not like we would call it that) is one built on trust and love, not legal proceedings and tax benefits. Certainly this feeling would be different were I a 24 year old in Denmark, India, or Japan. The number of times 'husband and wife' appear in our tax code is pretty hilarious. (And depressing for same sex partners)
- Daniel Morgan
Visit a Elder Care facility and you will see women outnumber the men, sometimes as much as 8 to 1. The elderly remain frisky and experimental, and there just aren't enough men for marriage to be practical in some cases. The institution won't survive being institutionalized.
- Phil Boiarski
Steven, the idea of renewable contracts is an interesting one.. I am imagining all the different dynamics that can result in a world with renewable marriage contracts. You might end up making everyone feel insecure and constantly wondering if your SO is going to renew the contract next time over :)
- Bindu Reddy
I agree with you completely. Marriage limits people in so many ways. Series of relationships without commitment will work perfectly in any scenario. You can have all the fun of a couple and you are independent also.
- karthick
Marriage itself is a different experience altogether, when you become we. Its kinda fun, but all depends who you choose to become us.
- Jayavasanthan J
Cool thread. For more practical reading than Heinlein: Redefining Our Relationships by Wendy-O Matik, Polyamory by Deborah Anapol, and The Ethical Slut by Easton/Liszt. Marriage is designed to make you "try really hard," like extreme sports. If it didn't exist, young people would invent it to be cool and push the envelope.
- Daniel Dulitz
Many things are great about marriage: you get to declare your love, commitment, and desire in public. Hot! Too bad most people only do that at weddings, and that whole family thing gets in the way too. Commitment over time can be a wonderful thing that leads people to peaks they'd never imagined. For other people it can be a tragedy. Others use our marriage as an excuse for mono- and hetero-normativity, which pisses me off.
- Daniel Dulitz
Fixed-term contracts might not be renewed simply due to inherent volatility at renewal, as in financial markets (e.g. triple-witching). Perpetual contracts don't have that. Marriages are agreements of mutual benefit, so you don't have to make the same agreements everyone else does (or seems to). Forever isn't for everyone. But the more reliable your closest relationships are, the more risks you might take with other relationships. That can be a beautiful opportunity (used for good not evil).
- Daniel Dulitz
The idea of marriage as a renewable contract is taken quite seriously. Bavarian politician Gabriele Pauli suggests seven year limit http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
In Islam, there are temporary marriages. The couple enters a contract based on a number of years and they can renew it if they want to when the contract ends.
- Admiral Anika
I think that's only in Shi'a Islam: http://www.sistani.org/local...
- Jim Norris
Nope. I'm Sunni and everyone I know who does it is Sunni. Why the random nitpick? Sigh.
- Admiral Anika
Oh, sorry, I wasn't intending to nitpick; from earlier reading I had thought that fixed-term temporary marriage was exclusive to Shi'ites. I'm certainly not going to claim I would know better than you! What have been the experiences of people you know who do it?
- Jim Norris
On our wedding day, we walked from the wedding site to the reception site. It was only a couple of blocks, but one group of youngsters gave us a hammer they happened to have for "building our life together" and another old man bought us anything we wanted at an ice cream shoppe. Part of marriage is submitting the relationship to the broader community to support. This kind of support and public declaration leads to a trust that I don't know another way to get to.
- Clare Dibble
@silpol: I meant that comment about Heinlein only in jest; I've read several of his books and wouldn't consider myself a child abuser. I just personally found that particular scenario to be kind of ridiculous and a little dismissive of women's sexuality. I thought Heinlein's idea of group marriages in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress was much more interesting.
- Jim Norris
This kind of trust allows me to store information I'd like to retrieve later outside myself (in his memory). It also means that I have an ally and teammate for all the new places I go in life. There are parts that suck, but so far it has been a different experience than boyfriends past who could part ways whenever.
- Clare Dibble
Some people do it for business reasons, some of tax reasons, some for just companionship. I know one couple who set 5 year limits on their marriage. They've renewed 6 times so far. <shrug>
- Admiral Anika
We're still trying to figure out why we did it. Seems to have worked out well for the cats though. :)
- Steve C
The institution of Marriage has been around so long that I don't think you could just seperate it out from human society.
- Robert Hafer
Does the couple with the 5 year limit do something public every 5 years when they renew the contract?
- Clare Dibble
Anika, the 5 yr limiit sounds pretty fascinating. I guess you can only tell how well something like that works if you have a large group of people who all have renewable contracts. If you are the only with the contract it makes sense for me to renew every time since it will be harder and harder to find someone else as you grow older.
- Bindu Reddy
No nothing public, they just get the marriage reaffirmed by the Imam. I know another couple who did a 7 year contract. She wanted to kids, but didn't want to be tied to them so she could continue her career. He just wanted kids. So they got married, had 2 kids. After the contract was up, she left to go to school and he got the kids. She still keeps in contact with the children, but him and current wife (no contract) raise them.
- Admiral Anika
It's a shame marriage isn't like cellphone contracts. It would bring a whole new meaning to "New Every 2".
- Gabe
Gabe, Ha ha :) Daniel, I get the point about permanent contracts being more comforting than temporary ones. However, let's assume that everyone knew that they could easily find another person they like to sign a new contract with if the current contract doesn't get renewed. This actually brings me to how inefficient the tools we have for match-making are ... :)
- Bindu Reddy
I don't know about all that. I think growing up in a dysfunctional environment made me traditional - when (or if) I get married, it's going to be only once and I'd want my children to be raised in a two parent home...
- Mona Nomura
ha ha Mona, I would think growing up in a traditional family would make you more traditional and in a dysfunctional one more dysfunctional. Not the other way around :)
- Bindu Reddy
Making a choice limits your experiences in one way and opens them in another. I don't think marriage is more or less limiting than singledom. It is what you make of it. Or you could choose not to choose and just let stuff happen, and become the ultimate experience sponge.
- Martha
Bindu, my point wasn't about comfort, just about volatility. And volatility is an issue even in a world of plenty, because people aren't substitutable. There is inherent value in a good relationship. Old Relationship Energy is awesome too. Matchmaking tools should be part of real life, like suggesting carpools or airplane seatmates. You'd never know what was a system choice and what was the randomness of life. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
Sorry, I didn't parse your comments properly the first time around. You are right the fundamental difference between having a permanent relationship vs. temp. renewable contracts is volatility. In my favorite simulation of the "world according to me" :) - I think you would have that option. i.e. people can choose to enter into permanent relationships or temp. relationships and do whatever they want ...
- Bindu Reddy
it's a business relationship. i'm probably too involved to give an objective opinion, but i suggest that those considering marriage, get their head's examined.
- Morgan Haley
Bindu, we can do that now! Isn't living in a blue state great? :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
Get Satisfaction, Or Else... - (37signals) - http://www.37signals.com/svn...
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"They’ll use your logo, title the page “Customer service & support for [COMPANY NAME HERE]” and generally make it feel like an officially sanctioned place to get official support from the company in question. The problem: It’s not official at all. That’s misleading. ... Can you believe that language? “37signals has not yet committed to open conversations about its products or services.” WHAT?! We haven’t committed to open conversations about our products or services because we haven’t signed Get Satisfaction’s pact on Get Satisfaction’s site which generates Get Satisfaction’s income? That’s awfully close to blackmail (or a shakedown or a mafioso protection scheme)."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Wow. That's unreal. Totally changes my perception of GS.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Wow! That is squirrely! Twittering the link :)
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Sounds like typical GS. I really don't like that site and only recently broken my longstanding rule against using businesses that use GS.
- Admiral Anika
I'd love to see the response from GS.
- Mark Trapp
Apparently we're not committed to an open conversation about our products and services either. http://getsatisfaction.com/friendf...
- Kevin Fox
It seems like a relatively straightforward case of trademark abuse, or heck, even libel or defamation. I'm probably missing something, though. It's a shame, we were thinking of using GS for portions of our support, but if this is how they're going to treat companies...
- Mark Trapp
What's bullshit about their statement is that it ignores what happens on the actual sites. No one needs GS to attend to customer/user issues and since many companies that use GS don't even actively monitor it, it's even more of an insult to state a company is not "open conversations about it's products or services".
- Admiral Anika
There's a comment on the post from Eric Suesz, the community manager at GS. Seems like a side-step of the question, that it was intended for people who don't know as much as 37 Signals to tell the difference. Actually, there seems to be several posts from GS employees in the comments thread. One from Thor Muller suggests a mea culpa on the verbage. Edit: GS responds on GS:...
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- Mark Trapp
"Jason does raise some excellent points about the language that we're using, which conveys an intent other than what we meant, and we appreciate his comments, agree with him, and are currently in the process of cleaning the language up."
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The one feature they point to, the company message feature, is not as prominent as I'd like it to be: it blends in with all the other flair; for an example, check out: http://getsatisfaction.com/newreli... It doesn't let you remove the big ass text at the top that says it's the "Customer Support Community" for the company, either.
- Mark Trapp
They were really fast to change the wording in the plaque and the header
- בייַ מיר ביסטו שיין
Thor Muller outlines the changes in a comment: "We just released several changes to the top of each customer community area. 1. The badge now says “No one from [COMPANY NAME ] has sponsored, endorsed, or joined the conversation yet. ” This is what it said a week or so ago, before we messed it up in the midst of a big redesign effort. 2. We are now displaying: “Unofficial” in front of the words “Customer Support Community for [COMPANY NAME ]” whenever a company representative is not involved"
- Mark Trapp
Good for them changing it, but it would make more sense not to have it in the first place.
- Admiral Anika
Join in with this thread http://getsatisfaction.com/getsati...
- Keith - @tsudo
Well that was fast. The changes go a long way toward addressing the problem. I still wish that the logos linked to the products and that GS provided a link to the company's official support forums or contact pages if they exist.
- Kevin Fox
and contrary to almost anyone above - I love GS !!! it doesn't let you asleep on your lazy arse (ok, laurels)... it helps showing dark corners and (not so little) sins & deeds :)
- A.T.
Yeah, this is a pretty good demonstration of GS working as intended. Good save.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
GS is a bit of a pain for companies or products that already have their own support mechanisms though. There's no way (at least that I know) to replace your GS page with a big sign saying: please go to our site's support page which has a support forum that we actually check.
- Adewale Oshineye
They only changed this text after we complained. It wasn't an oversight by GS - they put that text in deliberately to try and blackmail companies into using their service.
- Anthony Feint
Yes, but they changed it as soon as someone complained on GS. Maybe they are evil, but at least they demonstrated that GS complaints can get quick results.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Thor Muller here, one of the founders. As you might imagine, I'm pretty emotionally exhausted from all this. Up until a week and a half ago we've always had a big statement at the top of our company pages that made it clear that the site wasn't endorsed by the company (unless it was). In the midst of a redesign this errant language slipped in. Once we realized the mistake we replaced it with the old verbage immediately.
- Thor Muller
We run Get Satisfaction based on very clear principles, for the record, with a commitment to creating an unbiased place for customers and companies to support each other. 90% of the customer communities are added by companies these days. We are very sensitive to making sure people don't feel censored in talking about companies and products, but this isn't done with the intention of putting companies in a bad position. We're working hard now to make sure they don't feel hijacked. It's a delicate balance!
- Thor Muller
Kudos to you guys for sorting it out so quickly. Although I believe there was some merit in the points made by 37signals, I also believe they were over the top in their critisms, especially the insinuations about racketeering and the like. I think there was just a touch of them exploiting the issue for publicity. After all, they could have addressed this fully in a much less public fashion. I take the blog post was the first you heard from them over this issue?
- Sam
from twhirl
Sam: the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It's great GS took care of it so rapidly, but I think a large part of that rapidity was due to the massive exposure it got from 37Signals. If nobody notices it, it's not an urgent thing to fix.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: Fair enough, it must have helped. Although we can't really speculate about how it might have happened, as 37signals chose this route immeditately. They made a lot of acqusations within the article, some of which were based on fact, some of which were pure ad hominem. They could have spoken to them in private first and given GS the opportunity to make the changes gracefully. I think, and i appreciate it's only my opinion, but I think they would have listened and acted anyway.
- Sam
from twhirl
@Sam, but contacting GS privately wouldn't give 37 Signals the chance to pontificate and act like the saviours of the Internet. That said, I think what GS were doing was questionable at best.
- Jordan Brock
The unfortunate thing is that we stood nothing to gain from the bad language framing. Over 80% of the companies added to Get Satisfaction are done so by the companies themselves. We created the main badge for them, and the offending badge was added as an afterthought. This was absolutely not a strategic design decision.
- Thor Muller
@Sam- The irony is that a major goal of Get Satisfaction is to give *anyone* a public platform to get attention/results from companies. We're all for public airing of grievances. Though we counsel to do so in a way that doesn't assume bad intentions.
- Thor Muller
Public airing of grievances *without* assuming bad intentions... I like that!
- Meryn Stol
Um, GS over-stepped their bounds and broke norms that most of *us* wouldn't have considered fair. They got called on it---Perhaps this was from an over-eagerness to fulfill their vision---Muller: The irony is thicker than you seem to understand.
- coldbrew
Muller: "The wording on that badge was actually intended to explicitly state that the space was NOT OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED by the company, but that doesn’t come off at all." = "[Company Here] has not yet committed to an open conversation about its products and services..." ?
- coldbrew
GS seems to be grasping for a stature of trust it has not yet earned.
- coldbrew
kylehase: To be fair, I agree. I never paid attention to any of the site's specific messaging, but I understand what they're trying to do. Looked at from this perspective, it seems manipulative.
- coldbrew
Because there's so much to say, here's my open letter to Jason Fried: http://blog.getsatisfaction.com/2009... It puts everything in context.
- Thor Muller
It's too bad that Get Satisfaction operates with an extortion business model. I have seen some great customer feedback sites like PlanetFeedback or the BBB who have provided a valuable service for many years.
- Steve Levin
I wonder if the GS employee person who wrote the offending copy was A) fired or B) untouchable due to C-level job or C) merely embarrassed
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Why would you fire someone over using accidentally some unfortunate language? Nobody's perfect. They'll probably be more careful in the future. Another lesson learned.
- Meryn Stol
I don't think that the actions (unfortunate word choice on a banner) merit firing, but it's not unheard of for people to be sacrificed after public embarrassment like this. Hopefully GS is a small and friendly enough compnay not to feel that way.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel: the ability to be embarrassed merits being not fired, no?
- בייַ מיר ביסטו שיין
Daniel. true. In my comment I assumed a reasonable/friendly boss. I think that was safe to do after I saw how Thor handled this. Especially a company which urges others not to assume bad intent will probably be more interested in understanding how to prevent problems in the future than making a fuss over something that happened in the past.
- Meryn Stol
Top 5 Aquariums in the United States - http://www.boncherry.com/blog...
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I LOVE Aquariums!
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
Same
- Shevonne
The Oregon one looks amazing!
- Shevonne
meh...
- Zee.
i'm kidding....I LOVE AQUARIUMS! :)
- Zee.
Monterey Bay Aquarium is awesome! http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/
- Rick Bucich
Zee - I was about to say! Who doesn't like aquariums! Btw, the Monterey Bay Aquarium has a SQUID. Neat!
- Mona Nomura
Makes me hungry going to aquariums.
- Rodfather
Boston is not one....it sinks!
- John Flynn
Aquariums rule! I always loved the New England Aquarium in Boston. My mom used to take me there when I was little.
- Michelle Martinez
the ones in Oregon and Monterey are great! been to the oregon coast one more times than I can count. :)
- holly
Very nice aquariums! But in the end I'm still glad I'm a freediver and can enjoy this in the wild.
- Jorg Jansen
My dad would get yearly passes to Monterey - I want to go to the ATL aquarium SO BAD. It's PHENOMENAL... at least from the pictures!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
YAY! Shedd Aquarium is represented! :)
- Steven Perez
<3 Monterey Bay Aquarium! My family has been members since it first opened
- Tamara
Am I the only one not really impressed by Monterey...?
- Mona Nomura
A friend of mine works there. I asked about how they keep giant octopus contained. She said they put like astroturf along the tops of the tank since their tentacles can't attach to them. Interesting :)
- Rodfather
There are peoples out there who don't like aquariums. We hate these people. :) Only one of those I haven't been too is Oregon, now I have a reason to use the Long Beach to Portland flights just added. I wasn't that impressed with Shedd but I've been to so many they are starting to blur.
- Steve C
I love them...my cousin's in Atlanta. I need to get on that.
- Derrick
D - meet you there? We can romp ATL!
- Mona Nomura
Well, shoot. Now I'm mad I didn't make more of an effort to go to the Atlanta aquarium.
- ♥patricia♥
Pea - DC isn't that far from the ATL!
- Mona Nomura
Mona: try again, it changes all the time. Reach out and I might be able to secure some tickets for you.
- Rick Bucich
Agree with Shevonne. The Oregon one looks really good. So does the one in Chicago. I need to go see more aquariums.
- Bindu Reddy
Monterey, Rick? Wow that's a kind offer!
- Mona Nomura
Mona, this is true. We should plan something. :) Though I guess I'd better show up at work for a week or so before I start asking for vacation time, huh? :D
- ♥patricia♥
that is really great. I have not ever been in US :'(
- Alp
We TOTALLY should - actually, I should be the one to go to DC. Shevonne's there, too!
- Mona Nomura
@Mona Inner Harbor is in Baltimore and it's amazing, so Ill be down to go!
- Shevonne
If I go out there, we are partying - and cramming our faces with Ben's Chili. Omg I'm hungry.
- Mona Nomura
@Mona I went there and didn't care for it. I guess I wasn't drunk enough to enjoy it. ;)
- Shevonne
I used to love the aquarium in New Orleans, but I haven't been back since Katrina. I wonder if it's doing ok...
- Tad
You don't like Ben's Chili?! They have THE BEST hot dogs.
- Mona Nomura
@Mona Ill try it again. Maybe it was an off day
- Shevonne
I almost went to the Shedd Aquarium in Chicago, but we ran out of time. Checked out the Field Museum and the Planetarium which were cool too.
- James Ferguson
As long as I've lived in the area, I've never been to the Baltimore aquarium and people always give me grief about that so Mona get your butt down here and let's go.
- ♥patricia♥
Me, you, and Shevonne would be nothing but trouble - toss Derrick in the mix and it will be MAYHEM. Omg, Erin is going to be there soon, too. :O
- Mona Nomura
Tad, we went the month before the hurricane. They lost everything except some dolphins that escaped to the river. I believe the aquarium reopened since with new fishies.
- Steve C
@Mona Feel sorry for any city that has the four of us there at the same time! haha
- Shevonne
Totally - but I need to get my ass out to DC.
- Mona Nomura
Erin's coming to DC? With all the traveling, I've been sort of out of the mix. When? Why?
- ♥patricia♥
She goes out there once every few months I think - for work.
- Mona Nomura
Ah, okay. I sense a DC meetup in the works. Nice.
- ♥patricia♥
Mona: Absolutely let me know next time you're out west.
- Rick Bucich
If y'all go to the Baltimore Aquarium, count me in. As an added bonus to just seeing me - I would likely know anyone who would try to mug us, so we would be left alone.
- Alan Simpson
Uhm, Alan, thanks? :) Good to know.
- ♥patricia♥
Bay Area Friendfeeders Field Trip to Monterey Aquarium! Who's with me??
- Chieze Okoye
Well if you go to Ben's chili bowl, you will have to go for dinner so u can have lunch @ the Inner Harbor. Awesome crab over there. Yummy ... You all just hope the DC meetup isn't when I come through to visit ... And the Baltimore Aquarium is very nice. Should be on this list.
- Amani
I wanted to be married in the Charleston Aquarium.
- Nation Hahn
Omg a wedding in an aquarium - that would be SO sweet.
- Mona Nomura
*imagines snarky dolphins heckling the wedding*
- Mo Kargas
What does it mean to "join" a website with Google Friend Connect? After joining, the main difference seems to be the lack of a "Join" button. Is there any other benefit?
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yeah I'd like to know as well... I do have Friend Connect on my blog, but I'm hoping there's a future value that's not apparent yet.
- Nathan Chase
No not really :) Other users can find you and contact you.
- Svartling
the subtle undeclared goal is to contact the other follower behind the scene and to ask for a mutual friendship, funny thing google have to make explicit the symmetrical friendship. and before to close my comment, you can make a comment using GFC too :)
- abdellah
Yahoo's MyBlogLog seems to have a much better "join/sign in" widget - and for that matter, the FriendFeed Friends widget at FFavatars.com is much better that Googles Friend Connect too.
- Chris Loft
it is not just a widget, the un-confessed goal is to build a social network based of google profile and Google Friend Connect. that all, but they haven't made more effort on the profile part of the stuff.
- abdellah
Apart from getting one step closer towards Google-mediated/provided single sign-on, maybe the idea is/was to attract the "earliest" adopters before additional features are introduced for a greater benefit... Such features could be OpenSocial integration, article digests, comment digests, having your GFC social graph accessible from GMail, maybe even Google Reader, etc. Am I making any sense? :-)
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
I think gfc is a good tool to set up communities on websites, what do you expect else?
- Alp
Nikolic I thing that you are on the right way, even the implementation of GFC (JS-RPC) suggest such orientation. I want to name all this hourahoura "MetaSocial" google want may be I am wrong to be a kind of meta social platform. or I am a fool.
- abdellah
If a site is using the Google Friend Connect API, you can often leave comments with your Google, Yahoo, or AIM account very easily.
- Matt Cutts
I have a video demo with Kevin Marks of Google, which shows you some of what Google's FriendConnect does: http://blip.tv/file/1920841
- Robert Scoble
Robert, your video doesn't seem to explain the benefit of joining a site. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff you can do on a site if you have an OpenID account, but why do you need to join it to take advantage of any of it? If Google Friend Connect is supposed to be this truly open and portable social network, having to "join" sites seems to be counterproductive towards that goal.
- Mark Trapp
Also, I'd love to see the killer app for Google Friend Connect. The widgets out there seem to all be pretty lame: shoutboxes are so 2001. What do I get from GFC that someone would drool over?
- Mark Trapp
I've been wondering the same - it seems to be MyBlogLog widget without anything else
- andy brudtkuhl
I think it will depend whether it gets developed/expanded to really compete with the functionality of Facebook Connect, or if it gets sidelined like so many non-core Google projects/acquisitions for a long time (Feedburner anyone?).
- Badger Gravling
Clearly, it means that Skynet is growing....
- Mike Shields
The feed of the site appears in Google Reader under "Blogs i'm following"
- Lode Nachtergaele
@lode - was wondering where that came from
- andy brudtkuhl
Pretty sure it does the same thing as MyBlogLog -- after you join, when you visit, the owner of the site can see that you "visited." Maybe everyone else can see it too.
- Dave Winer
It's mybloglog but less ugly. :) But site owners can also add more features, like a kind of guestbook for the blog and such. At some later time, it might also help to understand which people are subscribed to which blogs, like Toluu set out to do ( http://www.toluu.com/ )
- Meryn Stol
Here's an example of the GFC api: http://yoast.com/wordpre... It's a WordPress plugin that lets anyone leave a comment on your blog with Google, Yahoo, OpenID, or AIM account. I'm planning to install it after I upgrade my WordPress.
- Matt Cutts
Friend Connect has a long way to go before it's remotely useful.
- Matt Soreco
You get to be in "a list". That's about it, for now. It does give the owner of that app the ability to do something with your credentials though if they want to. Haven't seen anyone do anything with this yet, though.
- Jesse Stay
GFC under OpenSocial treats the 'OWNER' as the Site, and the OWNER's Friends, as those who have 'Joined' the site, IIRC. That is, people writing gadgets, or other integrations on the site, may now query the Owner's Friends to get this list. Presumably, you can also (now or in future) log activities and send notifications to people who have 'join'ed. I would think of 'Join' as 'Authorize this site to see my profile data'. But I could be wrong.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray explained it well: join means expose my profile and friends to that site. After you joined the site can use vanilla OpenSocial API calls to get the list of friends (who also joined that site), profile information, and post to activity stream of the user. The Friend Connect JS API has additional calls to let you login and invite friends. More details and an example of the wordpress plugin at http://wordpress.chanezon.com/....
- Patrick Chanezon
You can see who else there is already a friend of yours. more depends what other gadgets or code is installed. Joining means the comment+review gadgets on the site will be associated with your profile; you can allow activities to be sent to other sites (wouldn't that be nice for friendfeed).
- Kevin Marks
If you want a general explanation of what is going on behind the scenes in Freind Connect, have a read of http://bit.ly/OSqa
- Kevin Marks
If I deleted my Twitter account would a kitten die? I'm wondering cause more and more of my early adopter friends are moving to other services (I am watching).
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Delete it. I showed the way and I have no regrets :-). I think it's the way forward.
- Richard A.
Depends on if you can force them onto FriendFeed. Twitter has become a cesspool of spammers and celebrities, which is usually a sign that it's time for people to move on.
- Mike Nayyar
other services like ?
- Marco
What services are they using.
- Sweyn Venderbush
What are the other services that they are switching to?
- Jason
what are the other services? FF? other?
- nrlaskey
Force them? It's not about forcing anyone to do anything, It's about whether you're still getting anything out of the network you're investing your time into.
- Richard A.
No Kittens die. Most people will follow where you lead.
- Russellreno
I'm not there yet, Richard. But I do note that Facebook is getting more interesting to the early adopter types I usually hang out with.
- Robert Scoble
I'll use my mom's argument: "If all your early adopter friends jumped off a cliff, would _you_ jump off a cliff?"
- Nick
Yes, I'd like to know what services too? And don't say FriendFeed :)
- Michael Pilla
Why would you kill off that audience? At least keep it up with a pointer saying you can now be found at X. You know that if you delete the account, in 6 months, some blogger will write a story about how Robert Scoble doesn't get social media because he's not on Twitter and then it'll be the top story on TechMeme for at least a week.
- Mark Trapp
which other other services are attracting the early-adopter crowd, Robert? Anything cool you can share with us?
- Andrew Terry
Sure, no kittens would die. But I continue to find Twitter invaluable and more useful than FriendFeed. However, FaceBook is becoming more useful as a communications and stay-in-touch tool, especially for those with whom I share a relationship of some type.
- Michael Krigsman
Nah, not friendfeed, although it's interesting that this comment is getting more engagement here than on Twitter. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Facebook for the win. It is more interesting to me also. Amazing how they did that.
- Russellreno
What are the other services???
- Jennifer Windrum
Michael: Facebook is the one I'm thinking of. It's coming on very strong with the types of people who made Twitter popular.
- Robert Scoble
@Mike, I was thinking the same thing. We are early adopters (ok, some are earlier than me) and we enjoy the close nit friendships created and nurtured through small groups.
- Damond Nollan
I think you should keep your Twitter account to follow the evolution of Twitter into FriendFeed, through all kind of bolt-on services like Twitpic and Twerbose ( http://twerbose.com/ ).
- Meryn Stol
Trapp, because that audience is only interesting if you get it onto a more conversational platform where anyone can make sense of the conversation a month after it happened. Twitter makes that impossible.
- Richard A.
this is the classic age old early adopter twitch, if you were a real early adopter you wouldnt be asking and you'd be gone already.. fear not however, where ever you go, the masses will follow
- Dan Rockwell
Why delete it? To make a statement? Just abandoning it quietly is a better choice.
- Brian Sullivan
Robert; If twitter was alive and well people would be chatting, not retweeting, they would be conversing with more than one tweet per day per person.
- Richard A.
I'm liking Facebook much more since it's a direct FriendFeed copy, but it'll need to go asymmetrical to kill Twitter.
- Steve Isaacs
I agree that Facebook is becoming more interesting. What I'd like though, is a version of Facebook that doesn't allow any of the really stupid applications. I'm sick of getting poked, hit with a pillow, being served fake beers, etc.
- Tad
Dan: I was a big Facebook user right around when the Platform came out. Then I moved to Twitter cause more of the people I liked to talk with were there. Now I notice the flow is headed back to Facebook and I'm not the only one to make that observation.
- Robert Scoble
the day Facebook will share outward their status update, then it may kill everything else around.... i don't think it can yet.
- Yann Ropars
@Robert: I suspect you've inadvertently validated why projects like Yammer and ESME should do well - 'your early adopter friends' says it all - it's about YOUR community, not everyone's.
- Dennis Howlett
No, seriously...what other services?
- Adam Gonnerman
I use multiple social networking tools.
- Dan Krivolavek
from twhirl
Robert: All my real life friends, and all those I trust are on FB, those I don't trust yet are spread to other networks for the moment.
- Richard A.
Robert: I get why you want to make the personal statement, but given your new role at Rackspace I'd say you really have to be everywhere.
- Ken Sheppardson
and, what's motivating your friends to move? Are other services offering features that Twitter lacks, or is it because they consider Twitter to be too mainstream/overcrowded now?
- Andrew Terry
Yann: not yet, but Facebook is moving in that direction.
- Robert Scoble
so long as you tell us where you're moving, LOL.
- Kayce Maisel
Someone's discovered the Real-time View :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Kayce, he wouldn't be moving ;-). He would simply be re-focusing on another service ;-)
- Richard A.
Andrew: everyone has a different answer. Most of them say they must be on Facebook because their normal friends are there, but aren't on Twitter. Facebook is growing far faster (in terms of people) than Twitter is. Just passed 200 million users, while Twitter is at about 10 million.
- Robert Scoble
i think facebook would be more interesting if they made all profiles public, ala twitter. The openness of twitter is really the win. If facebook can do that then I will consider seriously using it.
- akeem adeniji
Richard W, I've been using the realtime view for weeks by now, or for a while anyway, I live in i. When I'm here.
- Richard A.
I think that any process of "flow" between platforms isn't necessarily final, So I say : keep it. You may need to go back.
- Iain Baker
Still a strong believer in Facebook for personal friends/family, Twitter for public engagement/networking. They work together.
- Ian Mikutel
I think microblogging transcends the specific service you happen to be using. The interesting thing about Twitter is that it's a sort of lowest-common-denominator microblogging platform that makes for a good place for all of the various streams to dump into and/or a good starting point to feed into your other services. But focus will gradually shift from the specific service to the microblog stream as a whole.
- Grey Drane
Twitter is mainstream now; usually indicates the demise is forthcoming
- Tom Allinder
Akeem, there's no way I want my FB profile public.
- Richard A.
What specific functions is Facebook enabling/offering now that are you seeing that is attracting the early adopters back & causing you to consider this? Is it much more than the feed & grouping?
- Lyn Graft
Ian: that was Facebook of yesterday. Zuckerberg told me Facebook will have a public engagement piece too. This is very important for brands, celebrities, news organizations (which is where Twitter is getting its hype). But Facebook is far more engaging, especially now that they copied friendfeed's features (albeit not as well) and Twitter's river of noise.
- Robert Scoble
Judy you're one person I would never follow on twitter in that case.
- Richard A.
Scoble, just delete the thing and be done with it! Who cares if you have a place to land... you yourself recently jumped without a net and it turned out okay. Kill it. You'll sleep better at night. And I agree with Tad, fake beers are teh suk!
- Jim in Real Time
I am not so sure. Twitter is exactly good because it produces some noise. Noise good, since it allows one to be creative in filtering the information out. It gives much more room for chance than e.g. Facebook. If one bunkers into their peer groups, inspiration becomes a very hard thing to get by.
- Mark Jacobs
@Richard how am I supposed to find you on facebook and to discuss similar things if we have never met and aren't in the same groups?
- akeem adeniji
Jim: I had to check if a kitten would die first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the difference is facebook is more like a village in outlook, there's a good chance many of your friends know many of your other friends. It's a much nicer and social community. We have a lot more freedom in what we post there.
- Richard A.
@Mark - Exactly!
- Grey Drane
I foresee Twitter usage reverting back to status updates, and the micro-blog moving to services with better conversation and filtering/grouping capabilities (like FriendFeed).
- Daniel Sims
Sounds like a great example of jumping on and off bandwagons as they go by. You can post to Twitter from Facebook and vice versa. With Ping.fm. you can post to all the social networks you belong to and spend as much time in whatever platform you want.
- Paul
I don't know if this matters to you or not, but I found Robert and others through Twitter. I "thought" I was connected and well read in the technology/web industry, but with Twitter (and now FriendFeed) I was introduced to a whole new world with new players. If you go back to Facebook alone, I'm afraid people like me would miss out on good people like you. Fortunately, I've subscribed to a great many of industry leaders' blogs, so I guess you can go anywhere and I would be fine, but there are others who.
- Damond Nollan
I told you twitter managment would kill twitter ;-) :-) happy to see it's turning into a reality slowly. Of course this is only a problem for early adopters.
- Richard A.
Paul: I watch engagement, not posting behavior. If you post a Tweet and no one is on Twitter to listen to it, did it really matter?
- Robert Scoble
...haven't been fortunate enough to meet you. I say, do what you feel is best, but know you take a lot of folks with you.
- Damond Nollan
Richard: I've been doing online communities since 1984. The normal people ALWAYS follow the early adopters. I can't think of an example where that was not the case. Early adopters used to be on Prodigy. We aren't anymore. Neither is anyone else. Same for CompuServe. Usenet. AOL. Etc. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
This is how active twitter conversations would have been at one time, Hundreds of tweets on the topic, and you would have followed back many of these people as a result. It would have helped with meeting new people :-)
- Richard A.
Next service to fall... Friendfeed?
- Jordi Soler
Robert: What's your view on the current best replacement for Twitter?
- Michael Krigsman
LOL at Robert. Did you land on a LOLcat?
- Jim in Real Time
Michael: there isn't yet a good replacement, although Facebook is definitely moving in that direction.
- Robert Scoble
ability to tweak friend lists in FB allows de facto asymmetry - just create a "follow" list to see more of, dump all those you wouldn't follow onto a "view less list," drag and drop the more list to the top so FB defaults to it...
- Todd Randolph
Curiously, there are 5 million comments here on FF, and I saw only 2 @ reply on Twitter...from @JMaultasch and @SashaKane...so far, FF wins as a forum where people participate (as opposed to sell).
- Eric Matas
Todd, advantage of lists on Facebook is you can sort your friends according to geography and how you know them. Makes seeing the most relevant news easier as a result, doesn't mean you pay any less attention.
- Richard A.
Eric: Why do you think I jumped from twitter to here? I came for the community.
- Richard A.
Do you have a list of your early adopter friends?
- Paul Sanchez
Twitter is morphing into many different business models (at an alarming pace) and the twitter feeds will continue to be the lifeblood in these new startups.
- Whip
Why do we need to move on like this was a clubbing scene? I think Twitter has its place in the ecology, so has FriendFeed. I would feel most uncomfortable in relating to people I have not met in person on Facebook mostly. Once we go back there, we may as well call LinkedIn or Xing as the next big thing.
- Mark Jacobs
Robert: Keep one thing in mind, all your twitter friends were imported onto Friendfeed the day you did that sync, as a result everyone is still followed, but on a different platform :-)
- Richard A.
I just retweeted and searched...was the 3rd to retweet. Thought the cat part would grab more attention...
- Eric Matas
Heavens no Scoble.
- Roberto Bonini
Robert: Facebook just doesn't have Twitter's ability to easily sift and find interesting new folks in one's particular area of personal interest. That's what I *NEED* and Twitter does it excellently.
- Michael Krigsman
No kittens would die if @scobleizer swam away from the fail whale.
- Bernie Goldbach
I think your kitten would simply ask for a cheezeburger. While Facebook status is becoming more Twitter like, I've found myself using Twitter much more since the demise of Pownce (deep sigh). In my world though Facebook and Twitter are tools I use to connect with different audiences. FB I use primarily for connecting with real world friends, while Twitter is more about sharing info with Webdev/mktg peers. And I like that Twitter is less cluttered even though we're seeing more new spammy users.
- Heidi Cool
Robert, are you sure about that? Do you really know how many times you have mentioned a service on Twitter or Friendfeed or your blg that didn't result in I or others going to that service to find out what it is all about? Adopting an app that you pointed to (e.g. Twhirl). If your measuring engagement by the number of people that respond directly to a post then you and other early adopters are sorely underestimating your reach.
- Paul
I think Twitter still has quite a bit of use. FriendFeed never seemed to have pick up that kind of attention (though I wish it did - its great for conversations!)
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
I think the problem with friendfeed is with its interface... it's a pita
- Marco
Paul: I know there's quite a bit of engagement on Twitter, but other services are going up while Twitter isn't growing so quickly. I track these things.
- Robert Scoble
You mind sharing a few of the early adopters names :)
- Paul Sanchez
Is this comment bait? :) I don't see any benefit to deleating your Twitter. Would you have chosen to delete your radio blog because you were moving on to wordpress?
- Christian Burns
Robert, Would you please give some examples of services that might be better?
- Andrew Pass
Marc: online communities are a LOT like the clubbing scene and that's exactly why some get more popular and others get less.
- Robert Scoble
If early adopters did start jumping off a cliff, I'd be very interested in the cliff.
- Eolaí gan Fhéile
Marco, only thing missing from Friendfeed is to see when people have commented to something you've said, then it would be much more useful.
- Richard A.
Robert, just wondering: What kind of response do you get on Facebook on questions like these?
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: not as strong because I haven't participated in Facebook for more than a year. I should try.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is much more like an index, without much real / meaningful conversation. Not to say that individual posts aren't meaningful, but they usually lead to real value somewhere else. Friendfeed has much more in-depth conversations. For me, the question is still out there on facebook - it still is mostly a light hearted socializing tool, without much serious value. At least, not yet with the people I know who use it.
- Chris Rogers
Robert, if you move to Facebook I would die, because I'm not in your 5,000. :-(
- Jesse Stay
I agree with Steve, FB would have to go asymmetrical. Only the very tiniest percentage of contacts I have on FB are people I have not interacted with in person face-to-face at some point in my life.
- Andy Kruger
Some of my twitter followers who used to Lifestream in public seem to have moved that function to Facebook... starting in the immediate days following the redesign and the ensuing hubbub.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I don't think FB is as interesting as Friendfeed. I really do think Friendfeed is the most interesting community to be part of at the moment. It has the potential to build new onlines communities without the hassle of knowing those people in person.
- Richard A.
Like many of the others, I use FB for friends/family. Twitter is where I am getting/sometimes sharing info on tech things that interest me.
- Sherri
Hmm I think it would be quite exciting if the "FriendFeed ethos" would get transferred to Facebook.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: keep in mind that up to today Facebook is only for discussing stuff with your friends. For me Facebook is capped at 5,000 friends. Facebook's more public entity, though, AKA "Pages," are being expanded and will get more of an equal billing on the social graph. On friendfeed I have 31,000 followers, and this message went to Twitter where I have 76,000 followers. So, that's a LOT more people than I touch on Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
@Chris - Yep! Use Twitter to find the interesting stuff, then follow the tidbit to wherever else it leads in order to discuss it and find the real value in it.
- Grey Drane
why not use identi.ca? - very calm there
- Wittkewitz News
Meryn: actually that's EXACTLY why Twitter is getting more hype, but why people who aren't celebrities (IE, don't have more than 5,000 followers, which includes most of my "early adopter" friends) are not feeling the Twitter love so much anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I'm amused at this conversation because none of you are aknowledging friendfeed as a platform. That's where I came when I deleted my twitter account. I was among the 200 most active users of twitter at the time.
- Richard A.
I second what Richard Azia said: "Marco, only thing missing from Friendfeed is to see when people have commented to something you've said, then it would be much more useful."
- Rick Bucich
It's kind of funny -- when you said "early adopter friends" I thought you meant a "new" service. You're just going back to Facebbok because they've added some better features and have gotten a bump of mindshare. Then some other service will evolve their features, etc. and people will go back.... What I think is really important is the recognition that Twitter, FF, etc. aren't really...
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- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Steve "bump in mindshare?" Hah! 200 million users is more than a "bump in mindshare." Twitter actually has gotten a bump in mindshare lately. Everytime I turn on the radio or TV I hear about Twitter, it seems.
- Robert Scoble
Great debate
- Dave
Hmm I think it would be a shame if you left FriendFeed. For me it's all about the loose-ties. :) And Twitter, in it's current incarnation (e.g. without a very advanced client, turning it into something similar to FF) just doesn't work if you want to discuss anything but the simplest things.
- Meryn Stol
I hear about twitter a lot more but I don't see anyone using it anymore? Are there any signs that people are still reading tweets, rather than just posting?
- Richard A.
for an early adopter, a site /technology become's stale within 6-9 months.. the hype and fun is finito.. as such I was active from feb/07 .. I think I was the 300th odd person on twitter and by OCt/08.. I hardly use twitter.. yes early adopters keep moving on.. thats why they are called "early adopters" :)-
- Peter Dawson
Mohamed: Heheh. Even if you have thousands of friends you can't publish to the public (ie, Google can't index your facebook stuff). That's one reason why Twitter and friendfeed are more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
If a person uses Twitter because they want people to follow and pay them attention, I could care less. Twitter continues to be a useful micro-blogging tool, as long as it is free. If Twitter is fun, I'll use it. If it is just a new way to market shit, and if they start charging for it, I'll be gone. It seems that people are now getting more attention just for leaving Twitter. Good riddance.
- John Johnson
Facebook is trying to be everything. The path from Yearbook to Aggregator-cum-microblogger is long and hard.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
So there is no equivalent to this on FaceBook? http://twitter.com/search... Because that is one of the most interesting things about Twitter. Following subjects is often more interesting than following people.
- Matt Griffith
Let me ask a question back to you. What value would you derive from deleting your Twitter account?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: well, I would get a lot less auto DM spam. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Didn't Leo delete his Twitter account at one point?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: yeah, he did, then he came back. Hasn't seemed to hurt him, other than he isn't on Twitter's recommended follower list.
- Robert Scoble
But why would less DM spam matter? How would deleting the account provide more value than simply leaving it intact and ignoring it?
- Thomas Hawk
I triple dog dare ya.
- timedalkat
from twhirl
Thomas, I think he just "left" for awhile and returned when it was clear Jaiku didn't have enough people on it
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
another thing that friendfeed has not: a decent client
- Marco
Thomas, You can't ignore a twitter account, that's why :-), There's no way you can walk away from a functioning account. Many of us have tried and not quite succeeded more than 8 days.
- Richard A.
I guess my point is why delete the account? Simply ignore it. That way if you decide later on that you want to come back it's still there. You might find that you want it back at some point. At a minimum though you can still direct your FF content there which includes a link back to your conversation here with every tweet. I'd think this would be a good encouragement for people not on FF yet who are on Twitter to find you here.
- Thomas Hawk
that and maybe change your bio I'm mostly participating on FF or Facebook or whatever.
- Thomas Hawk
personally I find FF far, far, more engaging than Facebook. But maybe that's just me.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas I agree wih you, I like FF for that.
- Richard A.
This is one of those threads that's just too big/fast to try to catch up at this point, but instead of being the jerk who comes in and says something that was said early in the thread because they're too lazy/busy to catch up, I'll just demonstrate what you're supposed to do in this situation. *shuts up*
- Matthew DeVries
Twitter is becoming mainstream, even in such backwards countries as Ukraine. For a true geek, it is a sure sign to get out of here! However, for me it is still interesting for the dynamics of signal/noise ratio within system.
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
Yeah, but to your point, you can't talk to the public and a lot more people will follow you on Twitter that will never friend you on Facebook. I'm speaking generally, here.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
This really is just an intellectual exercise, right? How can you be talking about all this Building43 stuff and promoting "social media" then turn around and talk about disappearing from the "social media" service with more MSM press/attention than any other right now?
- Ken Sheppardson
What would YOU gain from deleting it? is it more than you would gain from keeping it? You use Twitter in your own way which is most likely vastly different than anyone else who uses it, but that doesn't matter, it's up to you to decide how to use it and how to gain value out of it. It is a tool. Whether or not you want to delete it should be based on what YOU think in terms of value, not others.
- Ivan Lukianchuk
Ken: It's April 1, take that in mind. Yes, it's just an intellectual exercise, although I was dreaming about it last night so at least part of me wants to do it. Building43 is for people fanatical about the Internet, not going to be about any one thing or even just about social media.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: April 1 is Wednesday. You going to keep this up for three days? :-O
- Ken Sheppardson
Within two months your account will be deleted. There's a chance. If you think about it then it's not just a thought, there's a reason there, somewhere.
- Richard A.
Ivan: overall I would probably lose more than I'd gain, but I've learned in life that you must destroy before you can build. When Vegas builds a new casino they tear down the old one first. The trick is to know when the right time is to tear down the old one. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Azia, you are using the "royal we" or you are talking about an undefined group... and I personally wouldn't make such over-generalizations even with a :-)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
in this atmosphere of many super-user account, a simple account is useless.
- abdellah
Steve: unlimited friends are coming to Facebook "soon." (We already have them on Pages).
- Robert Scoble
Besides, Twitter is a lot easier to use and more open... and there's no application spam. I hate app spam.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Yeah, but there's still a signal-to-noise problem. FB wants to be your social presence on the Web. People don't want an unsuable presence on the Web. They want to see what parties their friends are having and what their high school ex-girlfriend is up to. As a richer social medium, Facebook is much more vulnerable to Dunbar-number-type limitations for the average user. When someone...
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- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Does anyone know the mean or median number of friends for FB users?
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
ccheath just said 120. makes sense.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
It's interesting, but as a non-blogging, earlier-than-early-adopter-burnout, FB feels like AOL to me in an uncomfortable way. In spite of that creepy feeling, it seems to be where I get the most engagement for the least amount of effort. Of course, my FB circle is a tight one of 99% friends from over the past 30 yrs. Seems I only glance at Twitter & interact more deliberately on FF. FB is pointing out I seem to have less in common with my friends & I'm less friendly with common-interest acquaintances.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Twitter is "mainstream" with 10 million users, but Facebook with 200 million isn't? FB is a mess and whenever I log on I start getting real-time chat requests from people I haven't talked to in 10 years. I find Twitter to be a superior experience so far.
- Pete Smith
It's been interesting to watch the evolution of Twitter. Sadly now there is a tremendously large amount of noise covering up the best signal. Even worse, the changes that have occurred to Twitter as a result of the flood of people from the masses has been painful. I much prefer the Twitter of circa June 2008 and just prior when there was more functionality (a la track) and better discussion. In fact I much prefer seeing the fail whale than seeing Britney Spears occupying such a large mind-share there.
- Chris Aldrich
+1000 to chris kim a. FB feels like AOL to me - tons of spam, tons of intimate minutia, very little engaging content. I DON'T WANT YOUR PLANTS. It feels like work and doesn't relate to anything outside of itself. FF offers engaging, substantive conversations sprinkled with LOLCats. Twitter offers bite-sized entertainment, and (some) real-time interaction that doesn't have to involve a chat client. I prefer the latter two and consume most of my content there.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Facebook is a student community where the students have graduated as a result of which more options are now offered. When are people going to remember that fact?
- Richard A.
Where are your friends going instead?
- Rae Gross
via PETA autobot: STOP MURDERING SEA-KITTENS, ROBERT SCOBLE! :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
@Richard_Azia: I've always been clear on that point, which is part of what makes it so disturbing. Finally, my RL friends (now the parents of the original target FB audience) -- but to my horror, they have regressed into Super-Poking, Green-Patching Hippie-Gifters. Look, if you can SuperPoke me, then you can post a "hey how are you?" to my In box or wall. Frankly, I don't find the games of FB particularly engaging as a 21st-Century version of pigtails in inkwells, either.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
@Steve +1 to app spam on FB. Hate it!
- Grey Drane
from BuddyFeed
Chris Kim, that's why I ignore all requests. Much easier to ignore them than to reject them. Luckily those I know hardly spend any time doing all those things.
- Richard A.
If you deleted your account what would happen to the scobleizer name. Could someone else claim it? Or is once a name used on Twitter it is forever off the table? If you changed your mind later could you get the scobleizer handle back?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: I don't know. I won't delete it, though. It was mostly a fantasy I was having last night. See, normal people dream of supermodels or getting a cool car. Me? I dream of deleting my Twitter account. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer "But I do note that Facebook is getting more interesting to the early adopter types I usually hang out with" I would say "for Internet newbies" LOL Green Houses (Walled Gardens) are usually better for a start - no scary wolfs like in Green Forrest ROFL :D
- Lora Lufark
I refuse to believe true early adopters are all-of-a-sudden enamored with Facebook because they copied a few things from Twitter and Friendfeed...then again...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
And here we are, the very reason I continue to hold that FF is my favorite engagement tool. These comment-baiting discussions naturally epitomize the value of eating one's own dog food while also pointing out that there are more dishes at this potluck than the one you bring yourself.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Offer your account on eBay and see who bids. Then sell them something else.
- Louis Gray
Never delete a well-known account. If you were to delete the Twitter account, then some offshore porn gambling site would grab the @scobleizer name. That having been said, Twitter is seeming to become a "must have" thing, so even if you don't use it, you need to establish a presence there.
- John E. Bredehoft
I just don't see the what Twitter gives you when you have FriendFeed.
- TranceMist
TranceMist - With all of the recent news coverage of Twitter, a lot of people are on Twitter who haven't yet learned about FriendFeed and they will ask the opposite question that you just asked.
- Aaron Hood
If Scoble deleted his twitter account it must be the results of Global Warming
- rob friedman
from twhirl
Rename it then auction it off.
- Ryan Stanley
No, might not die, but but Kitty would be sad: http://tinyurl.com/c8fcc3
- Sarah Garnsey
I don't see why you'd delete it rather than just not tweet, other than a very visible snub to the Twitter guys, right?
- jjprojects
I doubt that Twitter would miss you, though your ego obviously tells you otherwise.
- Stan Scott
Seriously? You guys just realized that Facebook is interesting? I've looked up to you... I had no idea I was already ahead.
- Jaica Kinsman
Robert - I've made the same conclusion as you re: Facebook gaining popularity fast with early adopters like myself, who by the way are not able to connect with you on facebook due to 5K cap. Don't delete twitter, just move to where you prefer to engage your communities.
- Susan Beebe
Maybe early adopters are spending time on Facebook to try to figure out its appeal. I think they'll conclude it's just network effects and empty virality, then leave again.
- Bruce Lewis
You actually still use both? I thought you'd moved exclusively to FriendFeed... Who cares about Twitter anymore? IT SUCKS!
- LarchOye
Experiment: If I say "SEO" or "peanut butter" in this FriendFeed post, let's see how long it takes Jiffy peanut butter company or their "SEO Expert" to subscribe to my FriendFeed to try and sell me something. Ready, set, go! (I like twitter, but it's becoming a drag because the marketing spam is now so damn predictable.)
- TheMacMommy
Is there a Mac solution yet for porting our twitter buds (the ones we actually want to follow) into FriendFeed? I was looking but gave up on it for a little while. Anyone know the scoop on that? I'll admit, I'm lazy. I want a script to do it for me. on the Mac.
- TheMacMommy
I really hope you don't start to use Facebook instead of Twitter. I don't like Facebook at all..
- Peter
Facebook first movers are migrating to twitter. So there is nothing unnatural in this. People move back and forth all the time. The grass is always greener on the other side etc etc...
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
from twhirl
I entered twitter late and realize friendfeed is mindcastier than twitter...
- Arunn
Mindcastier?
- Richard A.
Only the Calico ones?
- rob friedman
Robert, Why don't you just increase your activity on Facebook and decrease it on Twitter and then if Facebook is alot better then Twitter then fully convert and if not, you've still got 19k updates and 77k followers ;)
- Nicholas James
You can install (or ask a coder to develop) a Facebook App that sends your status updates (and shared links, etc.) to Twitter. You have a history with getting your data out of Facebook, but I guess Zuckerberg now knows you better. This is what most brands do: they make the effort to be everywhere, to suit they many followers. Or you can re-use Jaiku recently opened source (+ App Engine) to make the micro-blogging platform or your dreams.
- Bertil Hatt
I hardly use Twitter these days.
- Jim Connolly
Interesting thread. I can see why Robert is saying Facebook. It has been the place that I gave received the most interaction these past few months. True that, I am just a wee one and most of my FB friends are real world friends. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
information overload.... my nose is bleeding,...shutdown imminent 3....2........1....... (no kitten would die, btw)
- ilter
Twitter is useful, though FriendFeed appears to be more so.
- Calvin Ayre
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- Robert Scoble
Help guys who unfollowed me for no good reason? I don't think so!
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: heh. Well, you aren't just helping them by suggesting a good host.
- Robert Scoble
Don't they have people on payroll to figure this stuff out for them?
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Peer 1 [ http://www.peer1.com/ ] would suit John's blogging company. JoelOnSoftware uses Peer 1 and here [ http://www.joelonsoftware.com/article... ] Joel has good things to say about it.
- Arvind
Matthew and Ken, dont be so negative ;) they ask for help.. its up to you to help or not ;)
- Qbat
Ken: this post isn't just for them.
- Robert Scoble
Hmm, what about Rackspace? ;)
- Meryn Stol
A friend has been trying to get me onto Slicehost, or at least that's what I think it's called. Basically you get your own server. Anypoo, that could be something to look into.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
I use ixwebhosting.com; love their service and have never had an outage
- Sandra
Slicehost, MediaTemple, Rackspace. All good choices, depending on what you're looking for. If they can develop what they need on AppEngine, it would also be a good choice for a medium sized project. AWS seems good for hosting static files (I use it quite a bit) via S3, but I don't think it's a great environment for running servers (the EC2 prices seem a bit high).
- Brandon Titus
Rackspace, absolutely. The fact that the most popular forum for discussing this subject (webhostingtalk.com) is hosted there might be a clue :-). [edit]: probably should have read the full blog entry before posting...but that doesn't change the fact that RS is a fantastic option, and might still be the best for them.
- Sam
Watching your tweets, Robert... "I’m not going to pitch them on Rackspace (my new employer)" sure didn't last long. Not as if you *shouldn't*, since you're part of the company... just not sure why you'd say you're not going to.
- Ken Sheppardson
"not sure why you'd say you're not going to" - Ken, my guess: having other people confirm Rackspace as a good (or possibly the best) choice is much better PR than saying himself it while being on their payroll. If Robert can pull "Rackspace" out of *our* mouths, he's golden. I think that in this kind of business, customer testimonials work far better than advertising.
- Meryn Stol
I doubt Rackspace would be low enough cost for Seesmic.
- Todd Hoff
As a CEO, I just want Rackspace to tell me how you compare with Amazon - what do I get, as a startup that Amazon doesn't provide? I admit I know little about Rackspace - what I have investigated is that it *seems* more expensive. However I'm probably wrong. Side-by-side, how do you compare?
- Jesse Stay
BTW, our database now has tables with 20 million rows of data and we are experiencing bandwidth near 20-40,000 requests per hour. I'm looking for the lowest cost and most scalable solution that can handle that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it is very possible that Amazon would be better for you but if you want to talk to a human being in the middle of the night, or if you will need a hybrid approach Rackspace will be better for you. I will get @mosso to help you out.
- Robert Scoble
There you go Robert.... embrace it. Pitch it. Be it. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Meryn: a big part of my post today is for my own education: to see what hosting companies I should learn about.
- Robert Scoble
OK, my own experience on the low end: avoid Bluehost. Arbitrary policy changes (like dropping domain wildcards) pushed me off to MediaTemple gridserver. Happy enough, except for latency issues on a low traffic site, as it it took a while to "spin up" the idle site. Looked at Linode and Slicehost, Linode won that battle pretty much solely for their DNS management tools.
- Ken Sheppardson
...but that's if we're talking about budget, low traffic, root access, ability to configure everything yourself, and don't want to pay for Amazon, which is my cloud provider of choice at the moment otherwise. But then I haven't looked at Rackspace lately. Might be time. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
For the record, Rackspace owns Slicehost. http://www.slicehost.com/article...
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey Robert, we have human beings on duty 24x7x365 at Amazon, accessible via the AWS Premium Support system. Also, our reserved instance pricing should make EC2 a very good value for applications running in steady state while allowing you to seamlessly add capacity on demand.
- Jeff Barr
Jeff: cool. Amazon is doing amazing. Many of my favorite companies are hosted on Amazon (Jeff is Amazon's web services evangelist).
- Robert Scoble
.. and another FriendFeed convert. ;)
- Meryn Stol
Jeff beat me to it :)
- Deepak Singh
So does this make Jeff Barr the "Robert Scoble" of Amazon now? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Or it makes me the "Jeff Barr" of Rackspace.
- Robert Scoble
I've heard good things about Mosso. Think Ryan Block is using them now for gdgt, and his last Apple (iPhone OS 3.0 Preview) event live blogging went very well - servers handled load and all that jazz. Think they are not cheap though, could be wrong ...
- Patrick Jordan
Patrick: yup Ryan's gdgt is on Rackspace's Mosso. Thanks for the compliment!
- Robert Scoble
Here's my other dilemma: Jeff Barr's a friend and so is Robert Scoble. Both of them are doing their jobs very well. :-)
- Jesse Stay
There's an informative article with comments on slicehost vs linode here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item... I've had too many problem-free years at linode by now to think about switching. I actually just shut down a dedicated server to move back to linode.
- Bruce Lewis
Wow - didn't realize Mosso was part of Rackspace. Cool - any special mega-discounts for Friendfeeders? :)
- Patrick Jordan
from BuddyFeed
I recommend http://Hostmysite.com - ask for Art Zeile the CEO - I have his cell # - these guys mean business and they deliver. We also use CFX hosting.com and I do *not* recommend them.
- Susan Beebe
slicehost would be my vote - been using for 5 or 6 months and happy as can be with uptime and service. Media Temple was the other I looked at - they may be fine on the higher tarrifs (I have no data) but seem to have much more downtime on their lower ones (Have been monitoring for over 6 months).
- Riaz Kanani
Given the nature of Seesmic's business, Loic needs something scalable and reliable, so the average hosting service is just not tenable in the long , especially given the amount of bandwidth that Seesmic probably drives. For the kind of video that Seesmic is (non-streaming), S3 + Cloudfront is a killer combo and of course EC2 to drive scale. (Disclosure: I work at AWS)
- Deepak Singh
It would be interesting to see the numbers. Seesmic strikes me as a low margin high resource use application. Will it be able to make money using these services?
- Todd Hoff
oTodd, that's a more general question. The cost savings for anyone with variable use via a utility provider is usually pretty attractive. Once you optimize provisioning, then your savings can get very very attractive.
- Deepak Singh
"Slumdog" Kids Back To School - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
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"I don't want to sleep on the floor anymore. I want a proper bed and live where the air does not smell of poo. I have seen what it is like in America. Here, there is garbage everywhere, people get angry, swear and shout. I have realised how bad life is here. I just want to get out."
- Karen Padham Taylor
from Bookmarklet
"Meanwhile, both Rubina and Azharuddin continue to wear their Oscar clothes and pine for life in America"
- Karen Padham Taylor
God, there's something wrong with this. These kids are traumatized. They were trotted out to LA as showpieces and now they can't live a normal life anymore. Is the production company and the Mumbai housing authority going to give them a flat, as promised? "I cannot believe these kids have just been left like this after being taken to Hollywood. It is bound to affect them psychologically," said social worker Sanjay Bhatia, who works in the slum.
- Christopher Chung
Ugh!
- Jason Wehmhoener
So, not taking them to the Oscars was a better idea? Uprooting them from their only known social construct and plopping them in front of Brad & Angie's house?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Much better to see what is possible and strive for it in anguish, rather than be satisfied with the status quo. Coming from a lower middle-class background in India, I have bought old Fortune magazines from wastepaper shops for two rupees to read up on what was happening. Yes, it made my then condition seem like hell, but heck I would not be here now if I had not known what I wanted.
- Mahesh CR
This is so sad!
- April Buchheit
If you never realize there is something better out there for you, why would you climb out of the crap-hole you're in?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
That's really sad... I have been living under a rock and don't know much about the movie but didn't they make any money off of it since it was so successful??
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Lindsay, seriously, that's the part I don't understand. I would have thought they'd have made at least enough money for a "proper bed" and a place to put it, at least for a while...
- Jason Wehmhoener
Honestly, it sounds like $1K would make a big difference in their lives... they didn't even make that much??
- Fa La La La Lindsay
back to School and back to the Slums
- bcultral
Doesn't most of the responsibility fall on the people behind Slumdog? They had to make a few extra dollars that they can pay these kids. Why aren't they doing it?!?
- grant fox
I thought I read somewhere that the producers of this movie were buying houses for the families of all these kids. I need to try to find that story.
- Trish R
Perhaps this is a stretch, but how is this any different than any of the kids throughout the world who get used by large companies to manufacture products that we use in the West? Danny Boyle and co. are eating very well right now.
- Cee Bee
If they're child actors, the money would've been paid to their parents. No matter how much the children made, the production company has no control over how the parents opted to spend it.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Here's the story. http://www.independent.ie/enterta...
- Trish R
but do the same rules apply in India as they do here? from what I understand it would take a very small amount of $$ to make their lives better. The child actors in Slumdog were a significant part of the movie, and one could argue that they were the better actors as well (besides Freida Pinto, but I digress...).
- grant fox
Sounds to me like the Indian government said they'd find houses for them and then backed out of it. Based on the photograph of the youngest boy's father hitting him, I'd guess his parents are pocketing the money and the officials are looking the other way.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mahesh: very powerful statement. This whole story makes me sad, partly because of how spoiled we are as Americans.
- Robert Scoble
From the article: His father is also saying he wants more money for his son's film role. In addition to school, the kids were paid for their work and have trust funds set up for when they turn 18.
- Nine
At least they are in school. I hope they do something useful with their trust funds.
- Jason Wehmhoener
How sad. But then again, so many kids never have any opportunities.
- Andrew Pass
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I really don't get how people are hating on Obama's performance so far. He's been president all of 2 months.
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I know - wtf can he do in two months? Seriously, he's exceeded my expectations, tbh.
- Mona Nomura
People are never happy,
- Joe Pierce
Hate is easier for some. Easier to blame whoever they don't like for their troubles. Haters all around.
- Uncle CW™
He knows exactly what he wants to do and seems to have a solid idea of how he's going to do it. He seems sincere about fixing what's wrong. His ideas sound logical to me. I just don't get the hating at all.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I remember saying the same thing about Bush when he was President. Just sayin'... (and I voted for both Bush and Obama)
- Jesse Stay
Rah - There's so much negative publicity out there that I start to wonder if he's doing the right thing, and then I watch him at a town hall and I think, man, how could I doubt?
- Phil G
I don't see the hate - or maybe it's cuz I'm more used to Dumb Dumb Dubya's haters haha
- Mona Nomura
1st off, I think he's doing good... But the reason is he was sold as the great crusader, someone who was going to storm the castle and save the kingdom. Everything was geared towards just breaking down the front gate. Now that has happened and everyone is standing around inside the castle going 'WTF, there is more fighting to do'. People are battle-weary.
- Johnny Worthington
Bush had immediate crises to deal with? I don't recall. Forgive me, I'm young and just started giving a crap. The haters are not being very vocal, which just tells me that they don't even believe most of what they're saying has any merit. I guess I never had the idea in my head that Obama was going to just step into office and fix everything.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rah... the problem is, a lot of people did.
- Johnny Worthington
You really think so, Johnny? I don't know anyone who thought he'd step in office and immediately fix everything. However, I do know a LOT of people who said everyone ELSE thought this. Perhaps we're just seeing the backlash from that, pundits who started to buy the "Libs say Obama will fix it all" line they were trying to sell their viewers.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
From a outsider's point of view, there seemed to be a big focus on just getting him elected. There seemed to be a perception that Change would come January 20th, 2009. While this view is probably not held on a personal level, a 'hangover' period is surely in place.
- Johnny Worthington
Uhhhhh a lot of the policies he is enforcing was passed in the Bush era... Think of it like email. He's just cleaning out Bush's inbox.
- Mona Nomura
Johnny's right, to a point. Of course, it doesn't help that the GOP is using the old Bill Clinton '93 playbook to take whacks at Obama.
- Steven Perez
Obama could have made milk and honey run through the streets and he would have been hated. I'm guessing either devil worship or the tax payer cost of cleaning the streets would have been in the talking points.
- Todd Hoff
Real change will come in 2010 should the Dems get a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. We just need to hang on until then.
- Jeff Jones
So Jeff, if they do, what is a reasonable time frame for you to see change occuring?
- Johnny Worthington
Jeff, if the Dems get over 60, I fully expect the bonehead 'moderate Dem' caucus in the Senate to step up their whining and full-scale courting of Republicans. They already do it, and never for policy reasons, so...
- Andrew C
I can see their reasons why, it's been an Epic two months at that, and he's already made making massive missteps and huge flip-flops most recently with AIG. I just bumped at later post, re: the polling info mentioned below.
- sofarsoShawn
I didn't notice, I though his popularity was at a high. Maybe that's why he's being attacked. Don't pay any attention to Rahsheen. There's always going to be hater's out there!
- Michael Fidler
It's the Repubs, they can't face reality. they lost the election and now a decent man has to clean up after 8+ years of Bush/Reagonomics war crap.
- ursi
Johnny, I think the framework is being laid now (i.e. Corporate culture reform, health care reform, etc) and a super majority will allow Obama to actually press forward with a more ambitious agenda. I would think that major progressive legislation would be introduced in the 2011 session of Congress.
- Jeff Jones
Andrew, The "moderate" Dems (who are actually conservatives) are a problem. However, if the Repubs lose ground in yet another midterm election the pressure will be tremendous on them to get in line. I think this is where Rahm steps in and we see what he can really do. They could stay firm though and be a problem. Hopefully, we'll get a chance to see.
- Jeff Jones
See? Did anyone catch that? What did I miss about AIG that makes it Obama's fault? Not the first time I've heard that. What "massive missteps"? Did he stumble off the stage at a town-hall and I missed it?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I agree. I mean how are you going to fix what's been done over 8 years in 2 months. Shoot, he's done more in 2 mos than Bush did in 8 years.
- Ms_Krista
Rah, the recent suggestion of having private insurance take over veteran's medical benefits was met with a firestorm of debate and hate. Obama listened to the masses and dropped it. AIG is another mess that he is being blamed for but his party added the extra bonus lines to the deal not what went out originally.
- Janet
No but was two-faced enough to give a $30 billion hand out and then feign outrage at $150 milllion in bonuses; further not setting a timeline for Iraq or any ME policy, an absent infrastructure strategy and the list goes on and on. But any following any valid news service articulates as much and to a much better degree than I could. Short two months yes, but rather than make things better, he's only making them worse.
- sofarsoShawn
So, he makes suggestions, the public expresses their opinions, and he actually listens to them in making a final decision? Oh HELL nah. Who does he think he is taking public opinion into consideration? lol
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm not sure what the device is called that's being used here, but I don't see how the AIG thing is Obama's fault. From what I understood, AIG going under would have been a very bad thing and the money was supposed to be used to prevent that, not give people bonuses. What facts say that he was feigning his outrage? Are you saying he actually has no problem with AIG pissing away the money? Everything else you said seems to be just speculation. Not based on any action he's taken at this time.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Honestly not trying to argue about this stuff, but I'm definitely curious as to what Obama has actually done that was so wrong. Right now, it just seems like sour grapes and hateration and I'd rather think that's not the case.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I agree though and fail at understanding at how outraged ppl seem to be, give the guy some more time. He inherited A LOT of Bushs**t from the prior 8 years, Rome wasn't built in a day so to speak.
- sofarsoShawn
he inherited a big frothy bowl of crap, and the people are impatient. his legacy will be judged by the decisions and actions he makes today.
- grant fox
I don't personally hate on him; I've been trying to give Obama an honest chance and the benefit of the doubt, and I still am. I don't expect miracles from him, but I do expect competency. So far, I don't have enough data to fairly judge him. However, I was not happy with how he handled the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, plain and simple. It was a hunk of flawed pork barrel, and he insisted on pushing it through fast. That's old news, I know, but it bugs me anyway.
- i80and
Maybe because the last 8years were so wonderful, budget surplus, job growth, no war...oh wait...But seriously, there's about 20% who thought that Bush was doing a great job (even through the financial meltdown) and they will never be happy with Pres.Obama, no matter. Then there are folks like Rush who want him to fail, but those aside, I think a good majority still thinks he's doing a darn good job especially for being on the job just two months.
- MiaD
Cuz they're stinkers.
- sofarsoShawn
i80and, I'm curious. W4hat pork was there in this Act?
- Admiral Anika
Because people seem to lack patience nowadays. Instant gratification is the only thing they want. I still dont know how he will do as President, but there is not much to do but be patient and give him at least another month. ;)
- Shevonne
Can i just point out that Pork is simply the cost of doing business. You cannot have politics without compramise on both sides. Id' rather have a less than perfect bill, than no bill at all. (And i'm not justifying things either.)
- Roberto Bonini
@Anika: That's hard to define exactly, since it appears to have been designed to do everything. I haven't read the bill, and I'm pretty sure that virtually nobody has. To quote from the Wikipedia article, "The Act also includes numerous non-economic recovery related items...". Look at the nice summary they have there; how much of that is relevant? Not that much, really. I can see how some of the targets would be to increase jobs, but even those are questionable since those are short-term solutions.
- i80and
Having not read the bill, how can you be bitter about it? Also, Roberto makes a valid point. There's going to have to be pork unless we have some kind of monarchy
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@Rahsheen: Has anybody read it? IIRC, it was over 1,000 pages (correct me if I'm wrong on that score). Either way, I don't need to read it to get at least a sense of what it's doing, and together with a summary, it doesn't appear to have a clearly-defined overall purpose. He's right; we can't eliminate pork. But we can attempt to reduce it if nothing else. That's a _lot_ of federal money getting thrown around pretty carelessly.
- i80and
Thank you i80and. From your statement, I had gathered you hadn't bothered to read the bill. Extremely odd that you chose to go to Wikipedia rather than the site for the Act. I managed to read it in a week. So did most of my friends and family. Is 1000 pages supposed to be a lot of pages? I am really unclear how you can make these finite statements without actually reading the Act and using Wikipedia as your source. Amazing.
- Admiral Anika
Without having practical experience, I believe that a bill should follow basic principals like K.I.S.S. Do one thing and do it well, because that way things can be more thoughtfully tested as well as allowing the details to actually be understood. If a bill is over 1,000 pages, nobody is going to look at the holistic effects of it and a lot of issues are going to slip through the woodwork.
- i80and
True, you could say that, but I'd need to know exactly what money is being thrown at before bothering to be upset about it. It's not as if Obama is putting all this stuff together on his own, throwing in whatever he sees fit. At some point, a decision must be made about whether the additions are acceptable given the overall goal. Apparently, Obama felt this to be the case.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@Rahsheen: I'm not upset about it; I'm uncomfortable about it. There's a big difference there. And I acknowledge and respect that he felt a decision had to be made. @Anika: I don't have time to analyze a bill in depth. Maybe you do, but frankly I can't. Wikipedia offers a decent summary that is sufficient.
- i80and
But once again, you're making statements on something you've never bothered to read. Credibility is dropping like a stone, here. How do you make these absolute statements without knowing what you're talking about? Because you heard it was over 1000 pages? You have no frame of reference of even how the bill was presented.
- Admiral Anika
@Anika: It's fine that my credibility is nonexistent; I never claimed to have any. I'm not a student of political science, and have never taken an economics class. I was giving my opinion, not presenting an argument to be given the third degree. And I'm not making absolute statements. I said that it bugged me. You're drawing conclusions about what I'm saying out of thin air. Also, for the record, the bill is 407 pages.
- i80and
The KISS principle simply dies not work here. We are talking about POLITICIANS here. They will use any means neccecary to achive political ends -and that includes diliberatly tacking on stuff to the the bill so its doesn't pass. Bill Clintons Dems did this all the time. Think they added Gun Control to a Republican budget to ensure it would not pass. These things have thier own logic.
- Roberto Bonini
This is exactly as how I said it would be: people would turn on Obama like they turned on Bush and the Obama defenders would shift most blame from Obama to Bush. Might as well get used to it. We've got four years of this game of hot potato.
- Akiva Moskovitz
It's not a game of hot potato at this point. Obama has not caused anything to happen yet. Why are we already blaming stuff on him? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Somebody hit be back when he actually takes an action that causes something to be screwed up.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
The limits of Friendfeed: no discussion in this thread of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Anthony Zinni, Chas Freeman, Richard Holbrooke, neoliberals, Rahm Emanuel, Hillary Clinton, warrantless wiretaps, etc. -- topics which have been discussed at length on the best and smartest political blogs on the net in recent months by progressives who strongly supported Obama during the election....
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- Sean McBride
Right, but the discussion here revolves around the fact that criticism of Obama is based on speculation. What specific action has he taken that has broken something? We can always talk about what-ifs, but I'm more worried about what IS. Facts, people.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Sean I don't think the new Texas militia dedicated to saving the US from Obama are really all that concerned about your list. They follow a hate square law. Black, democratic, it's time to revolt.
- Todd Hoff
See TPM (Talking Points Memo) today: "Tone Deaf?": "Yesterday, Rahm Emanuel called the AIG bonuses a "big distraction." Today, David Axelrod says: "People are not sitting around their kitchen tables thinking about AIG," Axelrod said. "They are thinking about their own jobs. I honestly don't get what up-side they see politically in taking this tack. Thoughts?" http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archive... Is TPM "hating on" Obama? Or exercising its independent and critical intelligence?
- Sean McBride
I voted for Obama and think he's doing a good to great job under close to impossible circumstances. But I always thought there were way too many people who thought he would be able to wave a wand and end every injustice, right all wrongs and bring a progressive utopia into being simply by the force of his personality. Inevitably, they're disappointed. What I like most about Obama - that he's a pragmatist - is hard for a lot of his most ardent supporters to accept. They want an idealist.
- Kevin Pedraja
Todd -- I don't follow your logic. Because some hate groups, with an obvious racist agenda, are attacking Obama doesn't mean that we have to automatically support Obama administration policies on Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, on warrantless wiretaps, on Wall Street bailouts, etc. What has most disturbed progressives is Obama's loading up his administration with those neoliberals who were most responsible for enabling the Iraq War. Iran is next on their hit list.
- Sean McBride
So what happens in 2010 when the economy isn't fixed? When the GOP point at the countless tax and spend bills for which none of them voted? And none of them worked. You guys really think the Democrats will increase their numbers?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Again, you're talking about what some guys in his administration said. You're not referring to specific actions Obama has taken. Are they hating on Obama? I'm not sure. They weren't discussing him in anythingI just read there.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Well Mark, when you put it that way, we were stupid to vote for change in the first place. Oh, but wait, can I borrow the magic time machine that lets you use 'when' instead of 'if'?
- Kevin Fox
Very true Sean. The OP was about Obama's performance so far and I think a large portion of the hatred is not nor will ever be performance based. Using performance as a criteria is a reality based paradigm and clearly that's not where a lot of people are.
- Todd Hoff
Mark, of course not. On the other hand, what happens if the economy shows real signs of life by then? And all the Republicans can say is, we opposed everything and proposed nothing. Will they even continue to exist as a party?
- Kevin Pedraja
Mark that's why this isn't a game and the republicans are treating it just a like another reelection game. It's revolting and it's possible that disgust can be generalized.
- Todd Hoff
Rasheen: Obama stood in front of a Catepillar factory and told the public that if the stimulus bill did not pass that people at that plant would lose their jobs. That passing the bill would save the jobs. That is using a scare tactic to process an agenda. BTW the bill passed and the people were still laid-off a week or so later. It's very disingenuous and it makes me question everything he says.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Btw, the reader comments on TPM about the AIG issue are devastating: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news... I've noticed a major collapse of support for Obama on all the leading progressive blogs. Obama will ignore this shift in opinion at his political peril. These are the same people who served as Obama's verbal bodyguards last spring and summer, and got him elected. Without their enthusiastic support, he is going to be in serious trouble.
- Sean McBride
Mark: Your framing of the Caterpillar issue is highly misleading. Obama never promised that passing the stimulus bill would make sure that those Caterpillar workers would keep their jobs. He said that the CEO of Caterpillar said that the stimulus bill would help them to re-hire some of the people they'd have to lay off. The quote: "Yesterday, Jim, the head of Caterpillar, said that if...
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- Kevin Fox
Its just another play in this disgusting game Kevin.
- Todd Hoff
And this is why we never get anywhere. Because Axelrod and Rahm said something about AIG, Obama has failed? Can we have a statement that isn't a "what-if" that explains how Obama is doing poorly? What do those comments on TPM have to do with anything?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
In a speech to enlisted at domestic military base Obama congratulated the soldiers for doing a great job in accomplishing their goal of bringing regime change in Iraq. When did bringing a regime change in Iraq become a mission? I thought we went there to get the WMD's or the oil. Subtle nuances, perhaps, but nobody listens to what is actually being said.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Rasheen -- Obama is responsible for the Emanuel and Axelrod appointments, and he is responsible for their public statements. And if Obama manages to alienate his progressive base (TPM is one of the most influential progressive blogs on the planet), he will soon find himself dead in the water politically.
- Sean McBride
Mark -- "regime change" -- that's hardcore neoconservative rhetoric and propaganda. Many people are beginning to wonder whether Obama really believes in anything at all. This "regime change," by the way, brought to power in Iraq a Muslim fundamentalist regime that is closely allied with Iran.
- Sean McBride
Sean, he gave them a 'Mission Accomplished' speech for ousting Saddam. Congratulated them on a great job.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
On the AIG issue, Emanuel and Axelrod, reputedly the two most powerful members of the Obama administration, seem to be on the same page with Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin. Change we can believe in. :)
- Sean McBride
You guys are amazing and amusing and still ignoring the point of this thread. You talk about hearsay, what-if's, could-be's, and gut feelings, but none of you have any facts. None of you point out anything that I could look at and say, "Yep, Obama screwed up right there." Everything you're saying is like dust on a breeze. I'm tired of hearing this type of crap. It's a waste of time. Even if Obama is responsible for what his people said (and I don't think he is), So what? Those words cause nothing.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Obama voted for the Bush stimulus. Obama voted for every stimulus package he's seen. That is where he screwed up! He voted FOR the AIG BONUSES because they were guaranteed by HIS OWN stimulus bill!
- pitlord
I'm sorry, there was a bill or something for AIG bonuses...or was it to bail them out to benefit our financial situation and they decided to use it for stupid crap?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
As to the responses to my comment regarding 2010. 1) Yes, the GOP are making their last stand, all-in bet on 2010. It's a strategy that may work but it is morally bankrupt in that the GOP are planning on a failed economy for them to succeed. 2) Do you really think the US economy will be okey-dokey in 1.5 years? Japan is in it's 12th year of recovery.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Rasheen -- we are obviously not going to come to a meeting of the minds about the current drift of the Obama administration, but I'll mention some of the blogs and information sources which have led me to my conclusions: 1. Common Dreams 2. Counterpunch 3. Daily Dish 4. Democracy Now! 5. Firedoglake 6. Glenn Greenwald 7. Huffington Post 8. Informed Comment 9. Mondoweiss 10. The Nation...
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- Sean McBride
What do approval ratings have to do with anything? I don't need any resources to see what's right in front of my face. Any action taken by Obama will be all over the news. I'm using basic common sense and I figured people more political than I would have answers, but I guess I was wrong. I don't care about "drifts" and "trends". Just the facts. Maybe that's not how you're supposed to view politics, but I couldn't care less about everyone's speculation and opinions.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Well, we all just saw what role approval ratings, opinions, drifts and trends had on the Bush 43 administration, and how adamantly some Bush supporters tried to ignore them. And the major turning points and pivots in the lives of political regimes are almost never reported in the mainstream media in real time. The MSM always lag far behind reality.
- Sean McBride
modern US government is all politics, only politicos can gain office these days. Obama is a politico by that maxim, his stark contrast against GWB is his charisma and oratory. Beyond that, he panders for votes like the rest of them. with that in mind, he's doing what's expected and he shouldn't be faulted for that. if the Obama administration gets us out of this hole, they'll take credit; if not, they'll blame the Bush administration. Vice-versa for the GOP.
- grant fox
Well put, grant.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
And none of that has anything to do with this thread...just saying.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
but it does Rahsheen. we get into a media-induced fervor about what Obama is or isn't doing as if he's a celebrity, and that compounds the problem with modern politics. change doesn't happen over night, but because Obama IS a politician he might be persuaded by the eyeballs on him to make decisions that have short-term benefits but long-term detriment.
- grant fox
Right, but until those decisions are made, you can't make judgments about his performance. He hasn't DONE anything yet.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I've been holding my comments but you can't honestly say he hasn't done anything yet. He has spent us into oblivion and instituted the most pro-choice agenda we've seen in 20 years. People may differ on their opinions but there is plenty to have an opinion about.
- Keith - @tsudo
So, again. Specifics. He spent us into oblivion? What does that mean? What did he buy? I thought we were bailing out banks and those banks proceeded to mis-manage the money. Pro choice? Obviously a matter of opinion, so we'll just through that one out for the purposes of this discussion.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
He's done more in 2 months that most presidents ever have. I agree with tsudohnimh, There is much to have an opinion about. The stimulus bill is the single largest deficit spending in history. I worry the most when we don't debate and criticize our elected leaders.Criticism, debate, and questioning authority are the signs of a healthy democracy.
- Steve Olson
I agree Rahsheen, let the man do his job. I just fear that he'll be manipulated because of all of the attention he's getting. You know that uncomfortable feeling you get when you're trying to do something and you have someone standing over you, watching your every move? Multiply that by ~300M, waving pitchforks and torches. You can't say that that won't affect his--or anybody's--performance.
- grant fox
I agree, Steve, but this thread has 85 comments and I think we are still only scratching the surface of any real criticism beyond "I don't like his policies" or something.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
17,000 facts concerning Obama: "President Barack Obama's decision to deploy an additional 17,000 American troops in Afghanistan was a step in the right direction, but a “comprehensive overhaul of our war plan is needed,” according to Sens. Joe Lieberman and John McCain." Newsmax http://www.newsmax.com/insidec... Obama's decision met with...
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- Sean McBride
Obama has exhibited a lot of quid pro quo lately. Is he making deals today across the aisle that will burn him in the future?
- grant fox
We are bailing out everyone with out a clear plan or oversight. Throwing money at the problem never has worked and never will. Rewarding poor business decisions via a bailout is bad policy anyway you look at it.
- Keith - @tsudo
400,000 facts: "U.S. President Barack Obama is considering a plan that would double the size of Afghanistan's security force to about 400,000 troops and police officer to stabilize the nation, The New York Times reported on Wednesday." Reuters http://news.yahoo.com/s...
- Sean McBride
He sold himself as able to accomplish what Washington hadn't before him, he sold us on "change". The only thing I've seen and the only thing I expect unfortunately, is more growth of government and more intrusion by the government into the private lives of American citizens.
- Mattb4rd
Sean, in case you missed it, he's talking about building up the Afghan's own internal army and police forces. He won't be doing this with US/allied forces. For the record we currently have something in the neighborhood of 30,000 forces over there.
- Alex Scoble
I KNOW he's doing a great job, do you know how I know? Both sides are equally pissed off at him.
- Matthew DeVries
Alex -- I didn't miss it -- it's still a commitment to a policy that stands an excellent chance of blowing up in our faces, and it is being dictated by neoliberals and neoconservatives like John McCain and Joseph Lieberman. Ever deeper into the quagmire.
- Sean McBride
How is strengthening their ability to maintain stability within the country a bad thing? If we don't do it, we'll just end up back there again in 5-10 years. It's what we should have done all along instead of our Iraqi adventure.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, it's sort of like Vietnam and Korea, if you assume that an escalation of might in Afghanistan would cause Russia to do the same at the border. They've done it before.
- grant fox
Alex -- why do you think that we can maintain military and political control of Afghanistan? What's the track record for this kind of venture? And what will be the precise costs of the policy?
- Sean McBride
Sean, have you forgotten that we're STILL IN Korea, Germany, and Japan?
- Mattb4rd
We? There's no we about it. The Afghans need to do it, but they can't do it without help. The risks of not stabilizing that country are far greater than the costs will be to do it.
- Alex Scoble
We are no longer in Vietnam; the Russians are no longer in Afghanistan; and the political and cultural dynamics in Afghanistan differ radically from those Germany, Japan and South Korea.
- Sean McBride
Alex -- Afghanistan needs to be stabilized around a political structure that reflects the will of the Afghanistan people. And I come back to the question of cost: how much will it cost American taxpayers to achieve this stabilization, assuming that we can, which is a highly dubious proposition? Obama's policies, which appear to be directed by Richard Holbrooke (a PNAC member), may well...
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- Sean McBride
The US Military is a machine meant to kill people and destroy roads, buildings and utilities. If those services are no longer needed in Afghanistan, get them the hell out of there and replace them with people that can assist in ways in which the Afghans can benefit.
- Mattb4rd
The stock market went up 75% in FDR's first 100 days. it's flat for Obama thus far. People will feel better when their personal financial situation improves. A 75% rise in the stock market would probably accomplish that.
- Thomas Hawk
Mattb4rd: a reality sandwich from the National Defense University: "Some experts are concerned, however, that the U.S. lacks the ability to launch reconstruction and humanitarian operations overseas involving large numbers of civilian officials and experts. "The United States today manifestly lacks adequate civilian capacity to conduct complex operations - those operations that require...
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- Sean McBride
it would make me feel better, for sure, Thomas
- grant fox
Went up from what, Mr. Hawk, from zero? How much had it risen from its prior high and what exactly was the unemployment rate at the end of FDR's term? Better, but still MUCH worse than anything most of us have seen in our lifetime.
- Mattb4rd
Matt. The high on the DJIA in 1929 was at 381.17 on 9-3-29. On March 3, 1933 (the day before FDR's inauguration) the DJIA was at 53.84. It closed at 103.77 on 7-3-33. A pretty good run during his first four months.
- Thomas Hawk
i think it comes from him having controlled everything so perfectly during the campaign.
- eric mortensen
the hate started a long time ago.
- Jim in Real Time
The polls a few months ago showed that the majority of people did NOT expect Obama to cure things immediately but were willing to give him two years to see improvements. I disagree that he was being marketed as a crusader who would solve everything. At every turn during the campaign he emphasized the magnitude of the problem and the fact it would require cooperative efforts from the citizenry as a whole.
- Rebecca
Thanks for the stats Thomas. Are you implying that FDR can be attributed with that amount of change in 4 month's time, or do you think that the market was correcting itself?
- Mattb4rd
I would have to say it represents the general population's finicky temperament to blame everyone else for everything that is wrong. I live in a customer service world, so I think public opinion is a tough sword to rule with. It often cuts you and is not a loyal friend by any stretch.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Unemployment Is rising and so is debt. He hasn't done anything he promised.
- orionstarr
Orion - if you're so smart - what could you do in 2 months to end the financial crisis - I'm sure the whole world would like to know. Give the guy a break - it's gonna take time - it took a decade to get into this mess it's not gonna be easy getting out.
- Patrick
orionstarr: As powerful as the office of the president is, somethings are just outwith its power. You've mentioned two. Last i checked this economic disaster has been years in the making. No two economists agree on the solutions. Obama has been in office two months and is handing a disaster of greater proportions than the Great Depression already. Give him a little breathing room here, ok?
- Roberto Bonini
Dude I voted for him so lay off. He is turning out to be another tool in the whitehouse we shall see. Still waiting for this "change".
- orionstarr
@ onion. WTF. Where does he get the magic wand. I say he has four years and then you can try to elect Rush Limbaugh if you want. If you can't respect the man, respect the office. Following Bush was like following any herd of wild elephants, besides trampling and eating all the sugar cane, you've got a lot of shoveling to do.
- Phil Boiarski
End the wars, make jobs, stop outsourcing jobs, stop corporate greed. He has done none of this. He sure helped A.I.G though
- orionstarr
Wow you think I'm right wing far from who is the sheep? I voted for Obama but I don't drink the koolaid if it's sour.
- orionstarr
How has exceeded expectations mona please enlighten me
- orionstarr
hard to say on the reasons why the market went up in FDRs first 100 days, certainly some could argue that he instilled a certain confidence in the markets with his legislative agenda of course.
- Thomas Hawk
How do you propose he stop corperate greed? Last I checked the US does not legislate peoples thoughts.
- Roberto Bonini
Stopping corporate greed is easy. You just make it impossible for them to make money.
- Alex Scoble
I'm not trying to trip up the Obama herd on here, after all I voted for him and to, and "change" I didn't vote for him based on the color of skin like so many. I actually thought he would make a difference and I hope he will, just so far seems like the same old same old. Since he has been in office jobs have been lost more than ever, debt is going up and if you any of own a home like me and lost their job well you would feel my frustration as well. I'm pulling for him okay.
- orionstarr
Alex: Greed has nothing to do with money and everything to do with possesions. If you take money away its called communisim ( where you trade bottles of vodka in place of money). But my point was the ridiculousness of Orions point.
- Roberto Bonini
Also how about give me a break, a man can have an opinion. Bush sucked too, so not like I voted for him the past 2 elections. I am listed as independent on my voting card, thank you.
- orionstarr
Robeto, my point was how corporations are greedy, IE: Exxon and Mobil. IE: CEO Pay and their golden parachutes, and outsourcing. Like I said I can have an opinion but if you want to get personal, hey let's go at it.
- orionstarr
Without money you cannot buy more possessions in today's economy. Robbing the greedy of their ability to make money removes their ability to be greedy.
- Alex Scoble
I think alas some people will be greedy whether they have a lot or money or not
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
If someone is trying to suck up more than their fair share of oxygen, just remove it from the room entirely. :)
- Alex Scoble
Good point Alex, can we say regulation on these fat corporate pigs.
- orionstarr
I'm glad we have a president that cares more about being on the tonight show. Shouldn't he be working? Wow. Did we elect a hard working president or a celebrity? The election is over, time to work.
- orionstarr
Because no celebrities are hard working? One doesn't negate the other. It's like the false generalizations of "rich & hard working", "rich & hardly working", "poor & lazy"
- Alex Scoble
Alex: So back when people used to barter, what stopped them swapping one goat for two sheep??
- Roberto Bonini
That isn't our current economic system.
- Alex Scoble
Okay I'm wrong, you all can fuck off.
- orionstarr
My point is that greed is not contingent on the existance of money, but merely on the material possesions one has.
- Roberto Bonini
You are correct, Roberto. It's the self indulgent accumulation of wealth. In this current economic system wealth == money.
- Alex Scoble
@ onion, Hey I am helping a family member meet their mortgage and another member of my family is (he says) a paycheck or two from unemployment. His company has shrunk by 4/5. I know you are in pain and I hope you have people can help. That said, I can't see how blaming the guy that he can't clean up fast enough is helping. Some things can't be changed' on others he's trying. If you get back on your feet, you'll think he's a champ. Good luck and God bless.
- Phil Boiarski
I'll wait for a "final analysis" until he's finished his 1st term but I don't like the bailout .. and all the problems and debt that's going with it
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Just discovered this: AIG contributions to US politicians, 1989-2008 -- top 5 recipients: 1. Dodd, Chris (D-Conn) $281,038 2. Bush, George W (R-Texas) $200,560 3. Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $111,875 4. Obama, Barack (D-Ill) $110,332 5. McCain, John (R-Ariz) $99,249. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs... Obama ranks 4th on the list.
- Sean McBride
@ Sean. Not to put too fine a point, because this is the f1st time I have seen the others and their amounts. (Drudge highlights Obama and hides Bush.) To me, the equation needs another side, who did what when in return? Bush and Paulson give the first 2 payments to AIG and that was more than 2/3 of the total so far. Unlike 30 Billion still being frittered over, that first batch had no oversight, no transparency, in fact, much of it is still a mystery. We discovered recently some went to England.
- Phil Boiarski
Exaclty Brian, same old same old uh?! Man of change right? Mmmm we shall see. In Washington, Dem or Rep. It's business as usual. Which is why I am Independent. Oh but be sure to catch the tonight show, heard its going to be a real bash.
- orionstarr
Bush was so bad that the new president would only need to keep us from completely falling apart. But Obama is doing much more than that and will continue to do so. It's nice having an intelligent person as President.
- Mike Reynolds
You know, I tried to warn the Obama supporters here that Obama is already in deep trouble, but they are not listening. :) Check out Frank Rich's angry column in the New York Times today to catch the drift of events: http://www.nytimes.com/2009... Most of these problems are the product of Obama's monumentally bad appointments. So far Obama has exercised rotten judgment on the issue that matters most: selecting the right people for his administration.
- Sean McBride
maybe obama should fire his riaa friends in the whitehouse, then i'll be more happy
- Kyle Weller
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- SokooteDel
Here is Why Facebook is not as Cool as FriendFeed and Why it Totally Makes My Head Hurt Sometimes - http://flickr.com/photos...
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No. Way.
- LogEx
-nuff said....or not said. I don't want any more snowballs thrown at me...PLEASE!
- Jennifer Windrum
Yeah, all that crap is pretty annoying.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
and you people complain about a little chapstick and lips every now and again. sheesh. I'd much rather see chapstick and lips any day of the week over getting a "crush jason alexmi" request or getting *two* sammy is sexy requests in the same day!
- Thomas Hawk
=O
- Shevonne
You know you can turn that off right?
- Eric P
hahahahhaa
- Shevonne
horrible
- andy brudtkuhl
OUCCCCH (E.T. Voice)
- sean percival
no doubt. i'm always blocking apps. i don't want play around with hatchlings or pieces of flair or get involved in any dang food fights.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
wow
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
That right there is the biggest reason I can't stand Facebook and I would dump it in a heartbeat if it didn't mean that all of my family and distant friends would instantly have a shitfit.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Also - Facebook = "Real life Friends". If you only friend people you're actually friends with it's actually a terrific application for keeping in touch. If you try to treat it like a Friendfeed/Twitter/MySpace then you wind up with a load of crap and its utility takes a nose dive.
- Eric P
PREACH!!
- Derrick
thankfully i've avoided this kind of garbage
- chrisofspades
I block just about every app invite I get. I'm glad some people like it, but I despise ANY application, social network, or whatever that the second step in adding the app is to SPAM all of my friends with it. This is a terrible process and needs to be done away with.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I didn't add them. They are invitations.
- Thomas Hawk
Totally agree with you. couldn't have said it better.
- Karoli
Sean hit it perfectly. It's why I use Facebook as nothing more than an address book for people from my past. That has always made me sick, screen 2 is "Tell me who to spam!"
- Matthew DeVries
@Haggis: Agreed. And I too block pretty much every app invite I get. The irritating part is when someone gets all uppity with me because I didn't return their snowball or superpoke them back. I'm like...srsly? You send me that ridiculous crap and then have the nerve to get mad at ME for not participating?
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I am blocking most apps, because things can get outta hand ...
- Rene Wirtz
@Amanda: I tell/have told all my friends that they can send those requests, but that I categorically deny all of them. It's surprising how that already decreases the number of requests.
- Rene Wirtz
I do get tired of all that crap. My bro sent me a video to watch on Farcebook a few days ago, but to see it I would have to download yet another silly wall. I don't need more than one, nor do I need to install multiple calendars so you can see when my birthday is. Go to my profile.
- Ian May
For every app invite i block, i seem to get twice as many the following day. Its better now their not all over people profiles pages when they do get added though.
- Simon Wicks
Thomas - I think you're really gettign confused between Facebook and these leeches trying to suck off the Facebook platform. Just ignore them and these requests would never appear. Or better yet - DEfriend anyone who would be so stupid as to include you on a list of requests. JUST DUMP THEM - and everything will be fine.
- Marc Canter
But seriously...you really should accept my Pirates vs. Ninjas request.
- Adam
You're just waaaay too popular, Tom ;-)
- Dave Fortheloss
Yep. I put a moratorium on adding apps and made that abundantly clear, but I still get all the cr@p.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
this is just one example of the silliness and boring nature of facebook. Frankly it's just not engaging. There's so much wrong with it and this is just the start. FriendFeed is a far superior platform for probably 100 different reasons.
- Thomas Hawk
I have found that blocking invites from certain users and applications is very helpful.
- Adam
@Thomas I agree with you 100%. I think FB is near unusable.. You're right it's not engaging - it's more of a distraction and there's very little value proposition for me to connect with people. I get the same with email/IM/flickr.. FF is far superior in my estimation
- andy brudtkuhl
that's just crazy! insane! crazy?...insane?
- .LAG liked that
Holy crap and I cry when I see 3 of them on my bar.
- Admiral Anika
Just looked at this and confirmed that I have no interest in joining Facebook.
- TranceMist
I'm not a fan of the tons of virtual goods and apps either, but I've got tons of friends who would qualify as "normal people" and cannot imagine living without FB. It's a rich way for them to keep in touch with people. I like FF a bunch but I also recognize the bandwagon effect that exists with FB.
- Cecyl Hobbs
A picture is worth a 1000 words.
- Eric Logan
*Brain cramp*
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
HOLY FRAKKIN' FRAK
- Josh Haley
Sweet baby Jesus
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I've just been blocking all Facebook apps.
- Morton Fox
INSANE Bro!
- Francis Aldana
@Morton Fox: I do the same. Problem is that you have to opt out of each crappy app that anyone you know has managed to dig up. If you don't log in often and deal with these head-on, the simple act of opting out can be daunting.
- Keith McCammon
It's striking how many people hate Facebook who nevertheless for various reasons feel unable to abandon it -- not so much a virus as a fungus. It's depressing to think that due to network lock-in my daughter may be stuck on it for years to come.
- Tim Ostler
something will come along to replace it. it's the inevitability of things.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I don't get why people who don't like apps don't block them all, or why people who do like them feel the need to send invites to everyone, let alone whine that you haven't accepted. Most apps I use have a button that shows your friends with the app, and I only send to those.
- Alix Whitmire
@Keith IIRC there's a greasemonkey script that lets you block them all at once.
- Alix Whitmire
Yep. Stuff like that's why I get the heebie jeebies about 5-10 mins after logging into Facebook.
- Susan A. Kitchens
Ahhhhhh, the voice of reason! I'm so glad I'm not alone.
- Rob Fahrni
RT yourself from June 2008?
- ThePicMan
Sweet baby jesus on a stick!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Jebus Herschel Krustovsky! That's ridiculous!
- Abbas Haider Ali
You should make that your Twitter background. :)
- Pete Delucchi
This post is what made me finally deactivate my Facebook account. I've had enough.
- Rochelle
HUGE LOL
- Kamilah Gill
aw man, what happened to the flickr image?
- Kamilah Gill
yep, I just IGNORE these types of apps/notifications- I have SO many sent to me and I would literally need to quite my job to attend to them full-time. It's insane. I think 95% of them are a waste of time imho... there are always going to be those people who love to do the spamming but it doesn't mean you need to pay attention to them :) One part of FB that I also do not love.
- Deanna Belle Govoni
This is one of the big reasons why I try and limit friends to people I know in person, and a few others who I can trust to not act like invite-wielding idiots.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
that's crazy!
- K.D.
Why would you blame facebook for you having idiot friends?
- Richard Lawler
Who ever said Facebook is cool? It's a rambling mess suitable only for people with lots of spare time and nothing else to do with it.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
shit like that is what makes me hate FB. they need an option saying "please auto ignore all invites from everyone". i used to have a greasemonkey script which did it, but the bloody things are getting smarter
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: Who said I have idiot friends? Intelligence has nothing to do with people trying to share their fave FB apps with everyone else, especially before Facebook put in limitations to keep apps from spamming their users' friends.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Thing is, once burned, twice shy. So only people I can trust to not send me lots of invites get to be friended to me on Facebook.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
it's just some people. i know great people who forward every single email online. there's one person, ive given her an old yahoo email adress so i dont hurt her feelings :P
- Terry O'Fee
Smart people catch on to spamming apps quickly, they recognize when they've been spammed, instead of signing up and passing them along, or continuing to request you join (insert game of the week.) If your friends can't figure out what's annoying to you, how can you expect Facebook to?
- Richard Lawler
immediately block app requests as they come in! according to the picture there were not so many apps involved here, but blocking them from the beginning on spares you more invitations..
- Johannan Edelman
I thought my FaceBook was bad when requests piled up, but you definitely win! I don't feel quite so irritated about it, now ;o)
- Seth Greenblatt
Yeah, that's one thing I hate about FB, those cutesy apps. I almost never participate in that...
- Rick Cogley
Try Facebuprofen.
- david beckwith
Just say no to 99.9% of all facebook apps and your problems are solved... :)
- Walt Ruppar
Some of my friends are so annoying on FB that I have to permanently block all invites from them. Bloody Blood-sucking-vampire-stricken-greek-godish-monsters.
- Aman
ha ha
- Saravanan
Aman: Sad to see I'm not the only one who suffers so.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@Chris: Indeed it is sad. I am in the process of forming a group called "People who hate people".
- Aman
WOAH! You know, I think it is funny, I removed ALL my apps the other day, AND told all my friends that I removed my apps, and they are STILL sending me app invites. If you keep up on it, it's fine. If you don't, it looks like this... /sigh
- Danielle Closs
Friends oh Friends.
- Aman
But FB is still better than the Google counterpart - Orkut. The sleaziest Social Website of all times. Their tag line : "Its so easy to get molested online, let us make it easier for you".
- Aman
Holy Facebook Crap Batman!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Some apps are good but most are just spam. Good apps are hard to find but there are a few nice ones out there, I like the ff app and the twitter app. I also use the slayers app and the compare people app. I'm a little shallow.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I hate the updates that I don't need. A large number of apps are useless.
- Palak Mathur
Urgh! So true!
- Vera
I just ignore pretty much everything that's not a message or a new friend request.
- Jim in Real Time
NADD
- bifurcafe
DELETE BUTTTTTOOOONNNNN!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Mine looks almost as bad as that and I only have 8 friends (real life friends & family)
- April Russo (app103)
Use http://www.ignoreall.com/ Cleans up everything in a jiffy.
- Jauder Ho
I like FF for commenting on stories and seeing a discussion. I like FB for smaller discussions. FF bigest minus for me is the lack of a notification if someone specifically responds to me.
- ChiliMac
Agree with ChiliMac.
- Aman
That's a big list... I'm getting tired of hitting the ignore as well.
- Gary Gifford Jr
Believe me, even a good confrontation with those slimy friends does do any good. They keep sending invites even after that.
- Aman
I'd be a rich man if if I got a penny for everytime I click ignore. I'm just not making that much use out Facebook nowadays! That's why I decided to give FriendFeed a test trial.
- Vincent Nguyen
This is why they made the block function, I've blocked over 500 applications and I don't get many requests anymore. I promise, it works.
- Aaron Myers
It looks like facebook just threw up on your screen, IGNORE ALL!! And back away slooowly...
- Peter To
I don't get it. I have 600+ friends on FB (not crazy huge, but not an insubstantial number). About once a week, I do a combo of ignore-app's and ignore-all-apps from a few friends, and voila! In about 1-2 minutes, I'm all set. 1-2 minutes a week. How many friends do you have on FB, Thomas? And how many years has it been since you've cleared things out? While I think FB shares some of the blame, is this situation any different than not cleaning *anything else* out once in a while?
- Adam Lasnik
Sometimes things really do happen like in the movies - http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakin...
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Two undercover cops were supposed to buy drugs in a Wal-Mart parking lot. Instead, the suspects robbed the cops and fled as the cops fired, hitting no one. The suspects drove away in a blue Suzuki, so when a nearby off-duty cop hears about it over the radio, he rams the first dark SUV he sees. Of course, it turns out the dark SUV belongs to the undercover cops!
- Gabe
from Bookmarklet
Nice.
- Paul Buchheit
With this kind of hilarity, I have to wonder if the soundtrack was 'Yackety Sax'.
- Sam Harmon
Where were you in 1995? - http://ycorpblog.com/2009...
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"Fourteen years ago today, Jerry and David officially incorporated Yahoo!. And, oh, how the world has changed. Remember when faxes were the fastest, most efficient way communicate in writing? When the newspaper landing on your doormat was your best portal to world news? When calling catalog 800#s was the only way to beat driving to the store? That crazy sound of a modem connecting to the Interwebz?"
- AJ Batac
from Bookmarklet
In 1995, I was working as an Analyst for a Golf Course/Resort in the Philippines
- AJ Batac
Oscoda, Michigan at a little bar called 'The Office.'
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I was working for a computer learning center. Biggest thing was we just got a T1 in to the office. I was running a MP3 ftp server with 4gb of music and trading on IRC a lot.
- Uncle CW™
I was still an Elementary student.
- Randy
Ugh, worst year of my life. :(
- Derrick
I was still a student
- John Samuel
from twhirl
I had dropped out of college and was trying to figure out what to do next. By 1996 I was working for a stockbroker. Watching Netscape and Yahoo IPO just after having learned the meaning of "normal" P/E ratios kind of blew everyone's mind (and not just the new guys like me). We were all watching the Netscape IPO numbers in utter disbelief.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I was in 11th grade in high school and was hating life.
- Shevonne
getting married. :)
- Helen Sventitsky
Getting ready to get into college and also we had our brutal recession here in Mexico. It was a horrible year, really.
- George The Writer
Turning 50
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I had just turned two years old at the start of '95. My sister was born in November of that year.
- Bryce Roney
3rd year in university, last year as a single guy (ftw).
- Micah Wittman
A lot of you are still young!
- AJ Batac
I was all of eleven
- Arvind
living in Seattle, definitely wearing flannel, working in an independent bookstore, trying to figure out what to do with a MA in humanities considering my hatred of teaching 18-year-olds how to write and speak the English language as though they were born here (and they were, btw)
- William Harryman
Like Shevonne, I was also in 11th grade. Life wasn't as crappy as it had been, though.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Fort Polk, Lousyanne (affectionately called), about to deploy to Haiti for six months.
- Michael W. May
Starting my first job.
- Nine
I was flying from Philly to Silicon Valley for various conferences and projects. I still recall driving to Sony in Santa Clara, which the area farmers referred to as the Death Star (large polished black granite building in the middle of nowhere). Within 5 years, Cisco built a square mile of buildings around it and most of the farms were gone.
- Peter Ghosh
I was a grad student and remember those first days of Yahoo!. wasted time browsing through Yahoo! What's New on a daily basis. back then it wasn't a very long list, but grew quickly.
- Imabug
Starting my new job at a library in a county jail thinking it was a good starter job never expecting I would still be here 14 years later
- Alan Simpson
Homeless. Still going to college. Interning at record company, DJing. I know that 14 years ago today, I had just been notified I got my sponsorship to SxSW (this was back when it was focused on music and signing new talent and not this social media wankfest it is today), and I wanted to cry because it had gotten so lame I didn't want to go. After I voted, I got a page that I got to fly down in a corporate jet and stay at a private house. I went because I was happy knowing I'd have a place to stay that week.
- Admiral Anika
Thinking about starting iPrint.com
- Dave Hodson
Crawling around somewhere, I was 4 ;)
- Yuvi
middle school
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Traveling the world
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
finishing 6th Grade. :)
- Parth Awasthi
In 1995 I worked for Radio Shack as a "manager trainee." I earned less than $11k that year. It was also the same year that I started dating Lindsay - so it's pretty much one of my favorite years of all time. :)
- Tad
Heh, 5 years after i was born.
- Gordon Swaby
I had just moved to Portland from Seattle and I was working as a brewer at Portland Brewing Company. By '95, I would have been making ~$9.00 p/h and spilling more beer on the ground in a day than any of y'all would drink in a year.
- Christopher Harley
I was starting high school, dancing about 20 hours a week and writing for my high school newspaper.
- Sonya Smith
2nd half of my first year at WSU (Pullman, WA).
- Jennifer Dittrich
I was in my last year of college and then into the big wide world of "work".
- Kol Tregaskes
Working at a big UK-based Tech Support call center outfit - supporting Windows 95 from its launch day - big fun (not) the first few months ...
- Patrick Jordan
I was trying figure out why my wife left and took the kids. It was a long year.
- Derek Coward
Aww Derek :(
- AJ Batac
Worst part is, I didn't figure it out until 1997.
- Derek Coward
Just starting high school
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
In the navy being a CTO, I think I just made E6 at that point and was having the time of my life. I miss the Navy some days.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
In '95 I was beginning high school.
- Katie is Frittering
Same here Katie
- Robert DeBord
my wife left me...the first time. it took her 3 tries, but she finally got it right.
- Russell Wagner
Also like Shevonne, in 11th grade, hating life, and scheming to get the hell out of SSF.
- April Buchheit
Living in Paris, miserable.
- anna sauce
first year of grad school, taking classes, learning really fast how to do everything around the lab as our tech was leaving, TA-ing comparative anatomy, my wife getting pregnant with our second child....
- Bora Zivkovic
I think that was the year I had to kick Tad out of the apartment.
- Berial
Brian, who's Tad? Tad D?
- AJ Batac
Yeah me. It was a rough year.
- Tad
Moving across the country. Getting married.
- Martha
I was 14. And miserable.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
95 was the year I took a pay cut to take a career step forward and I moved from Melbourne to Japan with my family. <edit>
- Threepwood
Driving trains around.
- Ian May
delivering my second son :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
In grade school.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
It was weird to be in college while people exactly your age dropped out and became millionaires. But I doubt I could've done it myself.
- Victor Ganata
1995? in school. discovering good music like the offspring, sepultura, fear factory
- Terry O'Fee
living in Guam, teaching at the university & driving boats
- bob
I was in Korea.
- Alex Scoble
Hmm, still trapped in Catholic school hell.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
I was trying to survive and pay my mortgage -- in the midst of a collapsing business.
- Brian Sullivan
'95 - 1st (and only) year of University, 1st year out of home, 1st car crash (I hit a Porsche!), 1st full time job, 1st puke resulting from way too much sambuca. Pretty awesome year for me actually :D
- Penny
It was my first days of high-school. I was playing Warcraft II paper-based (we invented it as a turn-based game) and Command & Conquer in a store for 2$ an hour. I was 11, we played in arcades and was playing the clarinet in an intensive classical music program.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Registered by name as a URL and wove my website in "weaver."
- Phil Boiarski
I would have been...9? Which means third grade. I was a Cub Scout, camping. I was a pretty smart kid for my age, but then I got gradually stupider.
- Mike Nayyar
In high school.
- Kamilah Gill
Having one of the most exciting years of my life.
- Anthony Citrano
Freshman year at UC Berkeley.
- Louis Gray
Four years old!
- Michael Ryan
Working as a lab tech in an NMR lab with a 4.0 Tesla magnet. I dumped the cryogens in every week. Fun times.
- Christine Cavalier
I remember this...I was working at realnetworks and remember when akebono.stanford.edu/~yahoo (or whatever it was) became "yahoo.com" and I remember thinking "how will that make money?"
- Greg
Had a consulting company with a friend that we sold to a magazine publisher primarily just so we would shut down and both work full time for them to develop and manage all their internet / web work.
- Mark Krynsky
Playing rugby, senior year at Binghamton University in NY !
- Eric Berlin
I suggest change FirendFeed logo for Eid Norouz (New Year Holidays of Persian culture countries)
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I emphatically support special FF logos for various holidays and special days. BTW, my birthday is April 12. I can supply photos if wanted.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Nice :)
- Mil∂d
thanx milad :)
- Nimaa
what is the significance of the goldfish?
- Edward Zwart
Ed Zwart: It's symbol of life.Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Pedram
Whew, it's a symbol. I was worried for little fishy there for a bit!
- Edward Zwart
Very good idea, FriendFeed Please do it.
- shayan shalileh
很漂亮~
- 阿石
I am all for this!
- Mattie Kenny
Exellent!
- شقایق
Cheers for Nimaa
- Nikpay
goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood :)
- فائزه
نمی دونم ولی حدس می زنم کلمه "ایرانین" رو تو عنوان باید عوض کنیم تا گستره پهناورتری رو شامل بشه
- reza
رضا حوضه همون حوض علی کوچیکه و حوض آب و اینهاست! اونی که شما منظورته "حوزه" می باشد. البته ببخشید ها! اسمایلی تذکر بود فقط :دی
- Donya
رضا نظرتو میگی؟ مثلا چی بجاش بزاریم؟
- Nimaa
nice
- vahidoo
zfs جان دستت درد نکنه :)
- Nimaa
this is very good idea, FriendFeed Please do it
- میر پرت محمد موسوی
and dancing!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
@ Reza :))))))))))))) لایک برای گستره اقلیمی
- Donya
نیما جان ، تخصص من نیست ولی تاجیک و افغان ها رو هم مد نظر دارم و نظایر اینها که عید نوروز دارند(اگه که دارند ). باید بچه های که تخصص دارند راهنمایی کنند
- reza
UN New Year Holiday
- shayan shalileh
I obviously can't understand most of the thread, but I like this 12 hours ago for a reason, and I'd like to see FF do this; the ultimate statement of support for peace and understanding.
- Duncan Riley
حتما میخونم دستت درد نکنه پوریا جان توی لوگو اصلی بعدی که میخواییم بزاریم کاملا توضیح میدیم براشون خیلی خوبه نظرت حتما انجام میدیم :)
- Nimaa
Bravoooooooooooooo :))))))
- Saghee
آخی. خیلی خمشل هست. این حتمن باید فرفندفید باشه اول نوروز. وگرنه تحریم میکنیم فرفرو. گفته باشم :)
- aqfery
آق فری درخواست زیاد بشه امیدی هست
- Nimaa
we should do our best to see such great national hapening that shows our solidarity :))
- Saghee
بچه ها ميگم بياييد اين فيد و بتركونيم :دي من الان جوگير شدم :ديييييي
- Saghee
ساقی برو داریمت :)) اگه درخواست زیاد بشه حتما عوض میکنن لوگو را چون ایرانی ها 8.5% کاربراشون رو تشکیل میدن
- Nimaa
اگه اينطوري بشه عااااااااااالي ميشه...من خودم پايه ام :))))))))
- Saghee
thanks Nima ...It's so good
- پـرستووو
Like For Peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D
- Mil∂d
Persian New Year ...I am with it
- pejman
thanx Duncan Riley for Peace :)
- Nimaa
very good idea
- گناهکار
پیشنهاد: I suggest change FirendFeed logo for Eid Norouz (New Year Holidays of Persian culture countries )
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
thanx farzad i change it :)
- Nimaa
I support this idea purely out of fairness. It wouldn't be fair to only include western holidays. As proven by this thread, we don't all live in the US.
- April Russo (app103)
thank you April Russo for your beautiful viewpoint :)
- Nimaa
Love it!
- Iván Abrego
MMMMEERRCCCiiiiii
- مرسده گیسگلابتون
謝謝你 suso :)
- Sahandram
wow, what a nice idea :)
- Zahra HB
زهرا چرا غمگین شدی؟
- Nimaa
A nice persian logo
- Armaghan
Fantastic Idea!
- Kamangir
نیما غمگین نشدم :دی بنا به اینکه خارجیها استایلیشون چپ به راسته اسمایلی رو اونطوری زدم :))
- Zahra HB
:)))))))))) زهرا اسمایلی ها که نمیگرده , یعنی قرار نیست خنده ما واسه اونها گریه بشه و بلعکس بلکه جاش در ابتدا و انتهای جمله عوض میشه
- Mil∂d
Read more about NOWRUZ http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Nimaa
:)) اصلاحش کردم
- Zahra HB
very good
- amintabrizi
ایول به زهرا منم معذرت زود گفتم :))
- Nimaa
لایک سنگیننننننننننننننننننننننننننننننننننننننننن دی
- mahsa
ایول .لااااااااااااایک .چشمک
- ИonikД
It would be good if this process will be done for all other holidays
- Farhad Jafari
If you use the word "arrangement" as a replacement for the Persian word "sofreh" it makes much more sense than the word "table". Specially when you say: "a table that is spread ...." it does not make sense for English speaking people. Besides it can be arranged on the floor; hence the more suitable word, "arrangement".
- Sara Raha
New version FF logo :) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Nimaa
کلی لایک :دی
- F^R}{D
I like the idea ! very much indeed ! :)
- Afra
thnx Afra :)
- Nimaa
excellent :)
- Mojtaba Teacher
what day is the holiday?
- sofarsoShawn
@sofarsoshawn: Nowruz marks the first day of spring and the beginning of the persian year. click for new version logo http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Nimaa
that's a great idea
- Babak
Sure, that would be a nice nod to the large number of Persian-speaking users here. Only problem might be if this is a religious holiday. I think that FF has tried to avoid any religiously-charged imagery in the logo. Everything I've seen has been secular so far, such as snowmen for Christmas. Though this image here has nothing obviously religious about it. It might be a bit puzzling, but I'm sure word about what it meant would spread around FF soon enough.
- Kamilah Gill
شخممممممممممممممممم :)
- Saghee
جشن بازگشت بالاترین - http://balatarin.com/
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تـــــــــــــــــــــــبریک.
- Pedram
خسته نباشی عزیز
- Parham
کـــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــور شود چشم حسود
- Vahid۹Online
ایول.باحال بود. :))
- Pedram
ایول ایول
- nses
کو؟ ما که چيزي نميبينيم
- جغله
به سلامتی. خسته نباشید.
- shabah_persia
:)))
- Majid
باز نمیشه که هنوز ! مطمئنین که بازگشته؟؟!!!
- تنهاترین انجل
تبریک ، اما من با پروکسی هم نمی توانم باز کنم میگه :This IP has been banned
- مـهدی معتمد
باز نمیشه
- Picolo
من با فاکسی پروکسی باز کردم
- nses
برای من هنوز همان صفحه گنگ باز میشه... توی فید ِ بالاترین در گودر هم چک کردم. از سوم فوریه فیدی اضافه نشده. داستان چی هست؟ شما میبینید؟
- mehdi ufgvn
زنده باد
- mehrdad-kooki
هر چند ما نتونستیم بازش کنیم ولی مبااااااااااااارکه شدیدا !
- تنهاترین انجل
خب کی فعالیت مجدد شروع میشه؟
- shabah_persia
آدرس اچ تی تی پی (بدون اس) رو با فیلتر شکن باز کنید.
- mehrdad-kooki
براي منم اومد! خسته نباشيد ميگم به همه عزيزان بالادار. فقط تو رو خدا مواظب باشيد دوباره ندزدنش
- جغله
اين کارتون کار وحيده؟ اين پسر حرف نداره
- جغله
باز شد ! به به
- مـهدی معتمد
با تشکر خیلی خیلی زیاد از وحید نیکگو! دمش گرم
- Aziz
فعلا https رو راه نیانداخیم. یه ذره درگیری داره این سرتیفیکتها.
- Aziz
مبارکه! ميگم اي شيطون نکنه اين سياه بازي کار خودت بود مي خواستي تو دل ملت جا کني !؟
- Muharram Mansoorizadeh
زمستون رفت و رو سیاهی به ذغال خواهد ماند
- mehrdad-kooki
این مساله دومین دزدی هیچ ارتباطی با افراد مذهبی،گروه های سیاسی و غیره نداشته. خنده داره یکی از این جوونهای تندرو فرندفیدی اینو به عنوان تنبیه گروه های مذهبی برای بالاترین دونسته که خیلی ساده لوحانه و کذبه.
- Aziz
احسنت نایتمر!.دقیقا همین ه
- mehrdad-kooki
مبارک بادت این روز و همه روز ... همایون بادت این سال و همه سال ... عزیز جان تبریک ... از طرف من به رضا و مهدی هم تبریک بگو
- آریـوبرزن
عزیز آیا تصمیم ندارید اطلاعات دقیق تری از این خراب کاری رو اعلام کنید تا جلوی شایعه و تنش در بالاترین گرفته بشه؟
- shabah_persia
همین روم فیدبک فکر کنم خیلی بتونه کمک کنه.از اون گذشته یه اکانت توییتر به فارسی هم میتونه مفید باشه.
- Pedram
اگر قبلا یادت باشه همینطور بود. دلیلش کمی رسمی شدن اوضاعه. ولی چشم سعی میکنیم وبلاگ بالاترین رو یه سر و سامونی بدیم. ولی اینکه در مورد مسایل داخل بالاترین اظهار نظری بکنیم شرمنده.
- Aziz
یادم بندازید یک ده فرمان برای وقتی که هک شدید بنویسم.
- Aziz
چرا وبلاگ بالاترین که راه افتاد بیانیه رسمی میدیم. فعلا هنوز صبور باشید.
- Aziz
عزیز جان منظورت همون دستور العمل شرایط بحرانیه دیگه؟
- shabah_persia
تبریک میگم... چجوری دومین رو پس گرفتین؟ شدیداً علاقه مندم بدونم چه اتفاقی افتاده بود، چون تا حالا همچین چیزی ندیده بودم که دومین و هاست و اکانت پی پال همه باهم مورد حمله قرار بگیره... اگه کمی توضیحات فنی هم بدین بسیار ممنون میشم
- SJ
راستی مشکلات پی پل و دامنه ی مهدی هم حل شده؟
- shabah_persia
“مبارک همه کاربرها. بالادارهای عزیز خسته نباشید نمی دونین با دیدن کاریکاتور صفحه اول چقدر ذوق کردم.”
- Jojetala
خوشحال شدم خیلی ، ولی واسه من که از دیار عزیز هستم هم باز نمی شه!
- Nabi
هوست که مشکلی نداشت. همین طور اکانت پی پل . اینها فقط مورد حمله قرار گرفته بودند و آسیبی بهشون وارد نشده بود. فقط دومین سرقت شده بود که پس گرفتنش کاری نداره و اگر نمی کردند واقعا خنده دار بود. برای من عجیب است بعضی از دوستان انگار خوشحال نشدند و هی به گفته های خودشون پافشاری می کنند
- 1Fathi
دوست من شما از ارسال این همه اسپم خسته نشدی؟ مشکل شما چیه؟
- shabah_persia
حل کرد مشکلمو! شرمنده بیدم! ctrl+f5
- Nabi
بالاترین نیست تو یه مشکل داری هست هم که مشکل داری. دست بردار استاد.هر بلاگی هم دیدی از نوشتت بی نصیب نذاشتیش که. اینجا هم که هزار بار گفتی. تمومش کن دوست من.
- shabah_persia
شما چرا انقدر سخت می گیری؟ مگه دزدی دومین چیز عجیبی است؟ در ضمن یک بار دیگر بگید همه با هم برگشته فکر می کنم جنستون خرده شیشه داره. هوست و پی پل فقط مورد حمله قرار گرفته بود و آسیبی بهشون وارد نشده بود که بخواهد برگرده.
- 1Fathi
من اول سعی کردم با صداقت و شفافیت جواب بدم. اما این دوستمون دنبال چیز دیگری است. عیبی نداره اینم نمک مهمونیه...
- Aziz
حالا ببینیم همین خبرگزاری معتبر!!!! فارس میاد بنویسه که دومین بالاترین پس گرفته شده یا نه؟!(دوستان به جند تا علامت تعجب من منفی ندن!!!)
- Nabi
والا این نمک نیست سنگ پاس
- shabah_persia
عزیز جان ممنون از همه زحمتها و بی خوابی ها و چشم خون شدنها و دست کج شدنها و غیره ... این کاریکاتور را که صبح دیدم انگار مادرم را یعد دو سال دیدم. این بالاترین شده خانواده و رفیق ما تو غربت. دمت گرم
- UHU
فقط برا من این جوریه ؟ هنوز تبلیغ نشان میده، فکر کنم مشکل دی ان اس باشه فعلا ، فعلا ما بی سورپرایزیم، برا ما هم نگه دارید
- شیدا
شاهین ، بعضا کش مرورگر می مونه (که واسه من اینطوری شده بود) از کنترل + اف 5 استفاده کن!
- Nabi
https کی راه میفته؟ :)
- امیر؟
خسته نباشید و تبریک
- Abbas
وحید واقعا زحمت کشید و یک شبه به سفارش من این کار رو برای بالاترین آماده کرد. میدونم احتمالا اونم کلی بیدار خوابی کشیده. واقعا هم کارش محشره و هم ایدههاش. ایرانی با استعداد کم نیست... بالاترین هم افتخار میکنه که همچین آدمهایی رو در جمع دوستان خودش داره.
- Aziz
نسخه جدیده ولی شما چیزی نمی بینید. بیشترش تغییرات داخلیه.
- Aziz
مبارکه
- Khosrow
به میمنت و مبارکی
- eghlima
مبارک باشه . تبریک به همه بالاترینی ها
- Yasser
اين وحيد نيک گو کارهاش استثنائيه. نميدونم چطور به اندازه استعدادش معروف و شناخته شده نيست؟
- جغله
من هم از وحید سپاسگزارم.
- رضا بلا
جالبه بالاترین برای من بدون فیلتر شده. اینجا یک کوچولو توضیح دادم درباره اش. کسی حدسی داره؟ http://1fathi.com/1387...
- 1Fathi
دیاناس برای آی اس پیتون ست نشده آقا پیمان. به زودی درست میشه
- 1Fathi
.واقعا ای ول کاریکاتور! خیلی به جا بود
- Masoud
بابا علی هم هست. چرا شایعه میسازین آخه. این هفته درگیر تز دکتراش بود نتونست زیاد با تیم باشه. به هر حال همه ما به جز این کار و زندگی داریم و گاهی کارهای زندگی شخصی مهترند.
- Aziz
مبارکه. خسته نباشید
- smtohidlou
عزیز جان بالاخره میگی این سرقت مسلحانه کار کی بوده؟ داداش بدخواه هاتو جسدشو بده عکس بگیریم
- میر«آرش» موسوی
تبریک میگم عزیزجان
- Mil∂d
خدايا چقدر با خوندن بيانيه فضول خنديدم. اي كاش اين فضول مي اومد توي نشريه گل آقا جوك ميگفت ما بهش مي خنديديم. بار ديگر اتحاد .... اين اتحاد هر ديكتاتوري را مي ترساند. واه واه واه. تو منو مردي
- گل آقا
من با دوتا فیلتر شکن مختلف آزمایش کردم صفحه پارک شده میاد . از بالاترین چیزی توش نیست . الان یکی چک کنه بگه آیا هنوز بالاترین میاد
- ospeyman
... نمی یاد که
- payam
با تبریک فراوان بابت برگشت مجدد بالاترین بالاترینها ... امیدوارم که دیگر شاهد چنین رخدادهای تلخی نباشیم.
- Mohammad Mirzaie
الان کسی هست که دسترسی داشته باشه به بالاترین؟
- Farnaz
من خواهش می کنم که حتما مسبب این هک رو اگر شناسایی کردید معرفی کنید
- abldali
اگر می شد یه جوری مدیران بالاترین منفعت مادی هم از این سایت و زحماتشون ببرند، دیگه دچارعلی تز رو بر بالاترین ترجیح نمی داد
- abldali
من تاحالا فکر می کردم یک مشت روشنفکر هستند توی بالاترین حالا فهمیدم همه ماشالا روشن کله هستند lolـ
- Farnaz
به به به به ! لایک لایک لایک ! مبارک مبارک مبارک
- سید مرتضی
اين يار سفر کرده بالاخره کي از راه ميرسه؟ مردم دارن از حال ميرن. الان دست يک روزه سر کوچه معطل ايستادن
- جغله
اقا کسی می دونه چه جور می شه اینجا عکس گذاشت؟ما که در به در شدیم اومدیم اینجا غریبم و تازه وارد
- Mazda
عزیز جان محبت کن کنار این کاریکاتور لینک اون بازی خط خور را هم بذار
- yozpalangh موسوی
فکر کنم دوباره هک شد :((
- جغله
دوباره حمله شده
- حامد
براي من قطع شده. شما کنترل اف 5 بزن ببين چي ميشه
- جغله
مثل اینکه دوباره حمله کردند
- Lord hozeh
خط خور چی شد ؟
- yozpalangh موسوی
برای بالاترین/ چه کسی می خواهد من و تو ما نشویم؟ - http://arashtn53.wordpress.com/2009...
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برو بچی که تهران هستن وبلاگ رو چک کنن همه بروبچ بالاترین که برای بالاترین مطلب نوشتن .وبلاگهاشون فیلتر شده. چه شود؟!
- میر«آرش» موسوی
این معنی داره نه؟ یعنی اینکه فیلتر شدن وبلاگ های اعضای بالاترین معنی عمیقی دارد
- میر«آرش» موسوی
بچه ها با مسنجر خبر دادن راستی امین تو مهدی فوریو بالاترین نیستی؟
- میر«آرش» موسوی
بخدا راست میگم اگه تهرونی یه تست بکن
- میر«آرش» موسوی
امین جان یکی از بچه ها از تهران گفته وبلاگها فیلتره یکی دیگه از تهران گفته فیلتر نیست من خودم شهرستان هستم و فیلتر نیست. باید یه چند ساعتی بگذره تا بعد.شما چرا به من بدبینی و فکر میکنی دارم شایعه درست میکنم؟
- میر«آرش» موسوی
ولی بنظر میرسه واژه بالاترین فیلتر شده
- میر«آرش» موسوی
آدرس نمیخواد لینک همین مطلب مال وبلاگ منه
- میر«آرش» موسوی
عالی بود آرش جان. ما هم یک ابراز ارادتی به بالاترین در حد وسع اندک خود کردیم ... به امید بازگشت دوباره ی بالاترین http://aryooblog.wordpress.com/2009...
- آریـوبرزن
دیدم آریو عزیز کامنت هم گذاشتم منم از شما سپاسگزارم
- میر«آرش» موسوی
دوستان هیچ وبلاگی برای من فیلتر نیست! از پارس آنلاین نت میگیرم. نمی دونم این جریان فیلتر شدن چیه؟؟ از کیا شنیدین؟؟ اگه اسم وبلاگ هایی که میگن فیلتر شده رو بنویسین خیلی خوبه. یه جورایی از شایعه بیخود جلوگیری میشه.
- Adash_Khan
به طرز عجیبی بی بی سی فارسی دیگه واسه من فیلتر نیست
- Adash_Khan
دوستان تقاضا دارم اسم وبلاگ هایی که گفته میشه فیلتر شدن بگید!!! و دوستانی که چک می کنن نتیجه رو اعلام بکنن و بگن که از چه شرکتی نت میگیرن. یه ذره اصولی عمل کنیم و به جای دامن زدن به شایعات به همدیگه اطلاعات درست و بدرد بخور بدیم. از پریروز میگن وبلاگ ها فیلتر شدن، در حالی که واسه من هیچ وقت فیلتر نبوده (یه چندتاشون که از قبل فیلتر بود مثل وبلاگ علیرضا رضایی) همین طور کلمه بالاترین هم اصلا فیلتر نشده!! دویاره تاکید می کنم که من از پارس آنلاین خدمات میگیرم
- Adash_Khan
یکی از دوستان بالاترین گفته فیلتره همین مطلب من تو وردپرس.ایشون گفته فیلتره وبلاگ خودش هم فیلتر بوده بدبختی ای گیر افتادیم. نمیدونم جریان چی بوده این بنده خدا هم اصلا خالی بند نیست.
- میر«آرش» موسوی
آقا جان فیلتر شده من خودم چک کردم همه بچه هایی که راجع به بالاترین نوشتند و اسم وبلاگ عوض کرده اند فیلتر شده اند
- yozpalangh موسوی
خالي بند. چرا خالي مي بندي. هيچ كدوم فيلتر نيستند. من هم امتحان كردم
- گل آقا
یوزی جان من وبلاگ ات رو بدون دردسر باز می کنم. تمام وبلاگ هایی که امتحان کردم راحت باز شدن!! از کجا نت میگیری؟؟؟
- Adash_Khan
دیروز من خودم هم با تماس دوستان متوجه شدم فیلتر شدم. چند وبلاگ دیگه را هم چک کردم. از کافی نت هم چک کردم. اما الان هیچکدام از وبلاگ ها فیلتر نیستد.
- yozpalangh موسوی
دیروز مطمئنم فیلتر بودیم خودم چک کردم. اما الان باز بودند.
- yozpalangh موسوی
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