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standby .... racking everyone up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert - you went offline?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Sorry, crashed. Up now.
- Robert Scoble
google blocked themselves from search
- Kevin Marks
hang on though haven't they failed to rank for 'search engine'
- Kevin Marks
can they still put a 'download chrome' link on the home page?
- Kevin Marks
After all that discussion -- Steve's original question -- what does this really mean?
- Brian Sullivan
practically won? 25% of vote...
- Kevin Marks
Nothing practically is my guess.
- Brian Sullivan
CES.. it ain't what it used to be.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If John would sit up higher I could maybe get his name under him without cutting his mouth off ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am not going to CES this year
- Francine Hardaway
YES
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's a fade out
- Kevin Marks
A crisis -- a RIM style crisis -- I think not.
- Brian Sullivan
Windows Use Slides 2% Per Year; Mobility May Wedge It Farther and Faster - Lens360 http://bit.ly/ywZ4KQ
- John Taschek
Microsoft are dead in Smartphones, but they have a punt in the Tablet Wars. As a No 2 of course
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Steve would be glad to know that 'Abbey Road' was the biggest selling Vinyl Album last year. 40k sold
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
I wish we could stop talking about patent lawsuits
- Francine Hardaway
vinyl sales up 44% in the UK last year
- Kevin Marks
Patents Lawsuits are killing Tech Startups
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
BPI figures: https://docs.google.com/spreads...
- Kevin Marks
Were we not doing the Gillmor Gang in ''89? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
kevin is always outside!
- Laura Norvig
the dogs are barking inside
- Kevin Marks
Robert locked up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I have to reboot. Be right back.
- Robert Scoble
Getting a new improved Robert up!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The cloud is eating TV - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- John Taschek
The first Friday of 2012 and weird stuff started happening to the gang ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
Google wants to own the Web Tv Platform. For Advertising reasons of course
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
I'm back up.
- Robert Scoble
HBO says cord cutting is a “temporary phenomenon”, HBO Go to stay tied to cable | VentureBeat http://bit.ly/yda1FE
- Stephen M
BItTorrent launched a new app called Share
- Kevin Marks
PhotoMatix is amazing HDR software
- Susan Beebe
Apple have enough greenback to purchase exclusive TV Content for their future Apple TV Platform
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
my hands are super cold today. not nimble enough
- Tina Chase Gillmor
AirPlay needs to be explained better, good point.
- Susan Beebe
it's OK John
- Tina Chase Gillmor
AirPlay needs to be accessible from the Mac Pro
- Francine Hardaway
I thought Kevin said two lapdogs in the same room, but he actually said laptops #british accent
- Francine Hardaway
hahah :D
- Susan Beebe
I have 2 lapdogs too
- Kevin Marks
Directv has twitter and facebook integrated into their guide
- Stephen M
:) but are they connected? lol
- Susan Beebe
i tried it once, and i annoyed the other people watching tv with me
- Stephen M
right stephen, more than one screen is important
- Kevin Marks
what about ubuntu tv?
- Alex Williams
when Scrabble did the 'iPad for the board and iphones for the tiles" thing, it was funny, but the idea of shared plus private is important
- Kevin Marks
there is talk about ubuntu tv getting launched at ces. can it make a play?
- Alex Williams
Apple prefer selling Hardware rather than Software.
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Ubuntu? u mean linux? the OS widely known for their outstanding UI?
- Stephen M
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
XBOX 360 with one of the LIve TV partners is a great way to watch TV.. you just talk to it
- Stephen M
Unity is the Ubuntu UI - hated by the faithful meant for the masses.
- Alex Williams
My 70 year old mom loves her ViZio with the built in Netflix..she doesn't have to switch inputs, just just presses the Netflix button on the remote
- Stephen M
did you see the Doctor Who Literal Video of Total Eclipse of the Heart?
- Kevin Marks
Would Siri on an Apple TV, make Search on TV more fun and interesting
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
And this 70 year old mom likes her AppleTV with the built in Netflix. She has trained herself (pant pant) to switch inputs. Could it be easier, I suppose. Is it great as it is, Yes.
- Francine Hardaway
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
Just "tuning" in and yay, sounds like this Gang is another TV show. I like those.
- Amyloo
ooooo, Kevin schooled Steve in vocabulary today. Interesting
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hey Amy!
- Hilary Talbot
I'm not sure I want everything on one screen. I like having two screens: the iPad, the TV.
- Francine Hardaway
I don't mind 'pressing input"... thats why i hooked up a HTPC to my TV... Windows Media Center is nice
- Stephen M
Hil! Hi! Hil Hi Hil Hi Hil Hi Hil.
- Amyloo
networks can't block that :)
- Stephen M
lol - still works!
- Hilary Talbot
people still watch CNN?
- Stephen M
Did I miss any SOPA discussion? Planned blackout, etc?
- Laura Norvig
Let's talk SOPA. Why the news blackout from NBC? Hmm...
- Alex Williams
Tablet in a Minute: AirPlay Mirroring and how to watch Hulu Plus on the Apple TV http://bit.ly/AqZbfz
- Stephen M
An Airplay Crash? How novel
- Francine Hardaway
Airplay crash, call in the NSTB investigative team
- Amyloo
Al Gore.. funny
- Susan Beebe
occupy SOPA
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Alex, I meant the plans to turn sites blank on January 26th or whatever date.
- Laura Norvig
haha Tina :)
- Susan Beebe
I finally have audio-only feed, hi everyone! Happy New Year from Kaula Lumpur (for this week). Am hearing a lot of talk about TV...the reason I go online is to get away from TV. Oh the irony. :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Recording industry dismisses alternate SOPA like bill proposed by Issa and Wyden http://bit.ly/AnOpLx
- Stephen M
Apple TV will beat Google TV if the TV looks stunning and has a picture quality that is second to none
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Oh, you are just being an Angry Elf complaining about Elf availability :)
- Charlie Isaacs
I remember the BSA. I thought it was BS with very little A
- Francine Hardaway
Good question, Steve. How will SOPA affect how enterprise uses social tech?
- Alex Williams
isn't apple a part of BSA too?
- Stephen M
black bile or yellow bile
- Kevin Marks
Just buy the Blu ray disc of your favourite film
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Dr. Hu: http://washingtontechnology.com/article...
- Charlie Isaacs
get a VPN that exits in the UK and you can watch iPlayer, Danny
- Kevin Marks
Microsoft is now suing the Uk Retailer Comets, for selling counterfeit copies of Windows Software to the public
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
http://www.bsa.org/country... <--list of Companies that are BSA members and by association support SOPA
- Stephen M
Whoa.. I'm realllly late..
- Kevin Costain
is this danny's story: http://www.npr.org/2012...
- Kevin Marks
based on public comments Microsoft has a legit claim against Comet
- Stephen M
that is huge!
- Laura Norvig
pushed to perform piracy. sounds nasty
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Comets management team are nuts
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Kid's table panel LOL
- Susan Beebe
hmm...
- Kevin Costain
AT&T will be showing a 4G LTE Powered WIndows 8 tablet running Qualcomm
- Stephen M
chips
- Stephen M
sorry, scoble, no do-overs!
- Laura Norvig
what is that poker game, danny?
- Alex Williams
Stephen: will the battery life suck like it does on the Galaxy Nexus?
- Robert Scoble
which GN... CDMA or GSM?
- Stephen M
They need to send Donald Trump to tell Ballmer, 'You're Fired'
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Will there ever be an Android phone that doesn't have crappy battery life?
- Kevin Costain
a really big one
- Kevin Marks
lol
- Susan Beebe
does the galaxy nexus run on a qualcomm chip(Snapdragon)?
- Stephen M
snapdragons seem to have better battery life.
- Stephen M
My Nexus S's battery life is crappppy
- Kevin Costain
DigiView digitizer wow that is old
- Susan Beebe
My HTC Titan's battery goes all day with heavy use
- Stephen M
4G seems to fry battery life
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
AT&T LTE is excellent..if anyone wants to know
- Stephen M
Well, that was short (for me).. thanks everyone.. :)
- Kevin Costain
true that.. my eVO would only last a few hours
- Stephen M
i do miss the unlimited data tho :(
- Stephen M
What's the practical battery limit (normal to heavy use) of an iPhone 4S?
- Kevin Costain
bye
- Stephen M
CDMA or GSM? i think that makes a difference too
- Stephen M
I would be using GSM typically.. there are bunch of factors anyway right.. wifi, bluetooth..
- Kevin Costain
I CDMA
- uki purnama
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Standing by, waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
while that is happening ... Happy and Healthy New Year to all !!!
- studentforce
Robert you'll be next. tuning up Mike's audio now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Cool, just hanging out reading the non news of the week.
- Robert Scoble
kevin... if you're around please turn on your video
- Tina Chase Gillmor
wow we
- Tina Chase Gillmor
sorry for delay everyone...aboutto go
- Tina Chase Gillmor
We're having technical difficulties. Please stand by.
- Robert Scoble
Hello all - this is the right time of day for me for once :)
- Nick Halstead
wo! triple echo
- studentforce
are you all hearing an echo?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
just went away. thanks ... whatever you did
- studentforce
I'm not hearing an echo.
- Robert Scoble
didn't do a thing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
sorry about being late, I had 1pm in my head
- Kevin Marks
john t and I had a discussion via email about the kindle fire last night ... amazon is going to be 2012/2013 NEWS re: eTextbooks
- studentforce
Hi, from the UK. (albeit I'm n Poland..long story)
- Scott Jones
hey thanks for the party invite!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
re: apps vs. browsers .... Mobile users lean toward apps over browsers [study]
- studentforce
Windows Phone won't take off. In the UK its all about Apple and Android/Google. In Europe (outside of the UK pretty much) NO ONE has an Apple...its quite astounding. Its all about Google.Android and nothing to do with Apple..which is interesting
- Scott Jones
In for the last "Gang" of the year.. :)
- Kevin Costain
Scott: everytime I'm in Europe I see iPhones all over the place. I don't know what Europe you live in.
- Robert Scoble
Samsung has already shipped a million tablets with styluses: http://venturebeat.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
ask a student what Microsoft means to them .... my prediction is that at least a third will ask: 'what is microsoft'
- studentforce
I think one of Microsoft's imperatives has to be making TOUCH versions of all thier flagship apps..
- Kevin Costain
...again with the parties!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
That *is* a big indictment. I would think someone would get one just to be contrarian.
- Bruce Lewis
Heh Robert. Talking about Central Europe. I'm British but have been through Slovakia, Hungary, Poland etc and in this part of Europe there are zero iPhones/iPads and basically no Apple. But every 15 year old kid in all these countries has an android phone. Apple dont exist in the new Europe. Which is surprising. I had to get a Samsung as I couldnt get an Apple. But MS....well...they have no chance in Europe.
- Scott Jones
also for MS to migrate their shit into the cloud MARGINS will be effected big time and that is assuming they execute flawlessly: http://www.businessweek.com/news...
- studentforce
I wish Steve was more Italian and used his hands to talk more ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's always a "new" world though. There was a time when Android didn't exist at all in this "new" world. Things change. Never say never. :)
- Kevin Costain
Are people talking about Roku much? One of my users was asking for a Roku channel.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: I see Roku come up here and there. But this is a pretty heavy Android iOS show.
- Robert Scoble
Must say..i dont have a TV anymore
- Scott Jones
coffee anyone?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
monitors not expensive any more
- Kevin Marks
I've not had cableTV service in almost a decade..
- Kevin Costain
Scott: I'm watching TV less and less. I look at it as a huge ass monitor.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder though, when are we going to get a set-top box that can be as FLEXIBLE as simply using a computer?
- Kevin Costain
not according to my comcast support rep ....
- studentforce
Robert, what tele are you using, a Vizio 3D?
- Nir Ben Yona
spectrum plus CONTENT
- studentforce
Nir: yup!
- Robert Scoble
Occupy Broadband!
- Todd Hoff
Robert: Wow. Cool.
- Nir Ben Yona
last names only please!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
...Glad I caught the last GG of 2011 - ...love you guys - 2012 needs more high power women in tech, BTW - Hey John, Scobes, Mark - ...and Hey SG!
- Rocky Barbanica
OK Gillmor! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi Rocky!
- Bruce Lewis
Know what you mean Robert. What's interesting though is I now stream and download everything...erm..for free. Monitisation is an issue for companies I would say
- Scott Jones
When the edge is so powerful, does an edge to core strategy really make sense?
- Todd Hoff
oh no....it's a streaming show again. oh noooooo
- Tina Chase Gillmor
come on, no offence, lets ot have a blooming streaming conversation again! ;) x
- Scott Jones
Hey Bruce!
- Rocky Barbanica
heheh
- Rocky Barbanica
Mark... heheh - I meant Hey Kevin MARKs
- Rocky Barbanica
Rocky!!!!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hi Rocky
- Kevin Marks
TINA !!! Happy New Year, Doll !!!
- Rocky Barbanica
its a sereis of local monopolies
- Kevin Marks
Netflix peaked in 2011. Streaming video's becoming a commodity with Comcast, Amazon, Vudu... Netflix is actually falling behind in terms of first run films.
- Ken Sheppardson
Happy New Year, btw :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
awww Rocky. Thanks and to you and yours!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
$5 for the Louis CK show... you get two downloads or 2 chances to stream it.
- Kevin Costain
You have to build the audience first via discovery on the aggregators. Louis CK wouldn't have sold what he did without basic cable.
- Ken Sheppardson
I paid $5 to watch it.. :)
- Kevin Costain
I paid $5
- Kevin Marks
I'll bet you 99% of the folks who gave Louis CK knew him from basic cable already.
- Ken Sheppardson
weird we have a Lewis CK model now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think Louis CK made the money for production costs on the shows themselves (RE: Rolling Stone's article on his recent shows).. the money he made on the online special was allot more gravy..
- Kevin Costain
Ken: I think you're right now - but that will change. It is changing.
- Kevin Costain
People don't realize how good OTA quality is now that they've gone digital.
- Bruce Lewis
I knew louis CK from youtube
- Kevin Marks
I have no idea what Steve just said
- Kevin Marks
Bruce: I can't use OTA, got a mountain in between me and the antennas.
- Robert Scoble
I knew Louis KC from Pootie Tang.. :)
- Kevin Costain
Kevin: YouTube of his Conan appearances or cable shows?
- Ken Sheppardson
As business models content and conduit should always be separate, but look at Comcast they are trying to do both
- Stephen Pickering
Croquet
- Kevin Marks
Rounders - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Nick Halstead
hes Nick
- Kevin Marks
CROQUET !!!
- Rocky Barbanica
hee hee nick
- Kevin Marks
Predict THIS - Rocky's running for Pacifica City Counsel 2012
- Rocky Barbanica
Robert, if you live in Half Moon Bay the view looks better than anything that would be on TV anyway. :-) But seriously, I think the percentage of cable use should be lower given the signal available to a lot of people now.
- Bruce Lewis
ROCKY LANDSLIDE!
- Bruce Lewis
HEH - LANDSLIDE isn't a very good Coastline platform - especially in Pacifica ! :-)
- Rocky Barbanica
Have you read Interface by Neal Stephenson?
- Kevin Marks
I think Reich is on to something with a Biden/Clinton swap on the Democratic side
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm campaigning for Rocky!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yeehaw! I GOT this, now - !!!
- Rocky Barbanica
It's like waking up and realizing you've been sold a lie all your life that we are the most special country and we run it on real principles, and we have a real democracy. At least these tools allowed us to wake up and see how fake the so called 'establishment' really are
- Stephen Pickering
Borthwick keeps sinking into the floor
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Isn't robert talking about the US economy conversion from manufacturing to an information/service economy ??
- studentforce
much like in the 1920's when we converted from agriculture to manufacturing ???
- studentforce
There is really no one talking for, or representing the 99% of the population.
- Kevin Costain
studentforce: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: and that's the power they had. Not sure they really used it well.
- Robert Scoble
I think the OWS activities were just a starting point.. that is probably a sign of things to come.. I wonder if we'll see a full-scale revolt somehow. or even if that is possible.. ?
- Kevin Costain
That would be 'crony' capitalism or in Russia Oligarchy?
- Stephen Pickering
Robert Scoble: what's unfortunate is that each 'conversion' or migration caused MAJOR economic upheaval.
- studentforce
The Black Bloc is also the darker side of all this stuff.... I don't know what it all means.. :(
- Kevin Costain
Godaddy testified to congress in favor of SOPA. When they testify against I'll be satisfied. Blog posts don't cut it.
- Bruce Lewis
Scoble on Reuters - Tech Trends for 2012 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Rocky Barbanica
Friday at 9 or Friday at 1pm better?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
...for this show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Stephen: are they both really that different (just a matter of timing), no?
- Kevin Costain
Kevin You're right, I think. They are the same, just different names in American and Russia.
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin is a British spy. Just figured that out.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
radicals!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Giving the number of millionaires and people in power - it's clear that those with most of the money are likely to hold most of the power. They are few.
- Kevin Costain
LOL
- Rocky Barbanica
haha.. Bond, James Bond.. :)
- Kevin Costain
personalities are not leaders. Social media is the leader
- Tina Chase Gillmor
there was a chap a College called Kingsmill La Touche Godfrey Bond - best spy name ever
- Kevin Marks
the meme is the leader
- Kevin Marks
the Guy Fawkes mask is the leader
- Kevin Marks
You can look at it as "no leader" or look at it as more people exercising leadership skills -- the Yosemite trip being a good example.
- Bruce Lewis
"A penny for the old Guy."
- Stephen Pickering
Perhaps whatever is in FRONT of the masses, is the leader. It could be anything really, no?
- Kevin Costain
Kevin, no, no, no, the whole meme is getting away from the power of the Lowest Common Denominator
- Stephen Pickering
I think eventually we'll see the rise of fake people leading masses (like that fake pop star in Japan).. humans created virtually to lead the masses..
- Kevin Costain
yes Stephen: "TV is not vulgar and prurient and dumb because the people who compose the audience are vulgar and dumb. Television is the way it is simply because people tend to be extremely similar in their vulgar and prurient and dumb interests and wildly different in their refined and aesthetic and noble interests." - David Foster Wallace
- Kevin Marks
Wow, Kevin Marks, love that quote
- Stephen Pickering
"Just because something is dead, doesn't mean it's gone" <--- funny :)
- Kevin Costain
it's from E Unibus Pluram, his essay on TV which is well worth reading in full
- Kevin Marks
Yeah, I definitely will. Thanks
- Stephen Pickering
Email is dead. Long live email?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Having set up filtering, Scobleizer will spend less time in email but get more value from it.
- Bruce Lewis
Email is most definitely NOT dead. Normal people are still learning how to use it.
- Kevin Costain
I lost Borthwick!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The only way I know how to get ahold of anyone directly is via email. Every other method is like waving frantically at someone while they are speeding away and their windows are tinted.
- Todd Hoff
Email's just as dead as paper.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Right, and NOBODY uses that ancient technology anymore.
- Kevin Costain
Exactly
- Ken Sheppardson
please help me get this out there http://www.creativeartscharter.org/news...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE !!!
- Rocky Barbanica
Thanks everyone.. Have a happy and safe New Year... see you all next year!
- Kevin Costain
gzunt tite !! (sp?)
- studentforce
Thanks, Happy New Year!
- Robert Scoble
The ending sneeze - perfect!
- Rocky Barbanica
Last sneeze of 2011!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks to everyone... always...for the whole year!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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about to go live
- Steve Gillmor
Waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
Waiting also -- with a different audio/camera connection .. see how that works.
- John Taschek
Hey this works out very well. Get to watch live for once (9 to 5er in Central time). Plus, bonus! As I'm loading up the Kindle Fire I got for my parents, there are all these real geeks in chat to whom I can ask questions.
- Amyloo
almost up...holiday delay ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
did the xmas tree fall over?
- Kevin Marks
I'm hooked on, just a couple more minutes...
- Robert Scoble
What are you hooked on? Are you sharing?
- Charlie Isaacs
now putting xmas tree back up
- cliveb
Robert is hooked on life!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Hooked on Classics - famous in their day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- John Taschek
he's hooked on videodrenaline
- Charlie Isaacs
Hooked on big screens and apps, of course!
- Robert Scoble
john trying to reach you. call newsgang4 on video
- Tina Chase Gillmor
...and by John I mean Taschek
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Doesn't show you're live. Let me try again.
- John Taschek
I'll tell Christmas jokes while we are waiting to stall for time. Did you hear that one of Santa's reindeer now works for Proctor and Gambel? [Its true, Comet cleans sinks!]
- Charlie Isaacs
we're up JOhn
- Tina Chase Gillmor
What nationality is Santa Claus? [North Polish.]
- Charlie Isaacs
Who delivers Christmas presents to dogs? Santa Paws
- Charlie Isaacs
everyone seems to have started the holidays early
- Tina Chase Gillmor
What did the buck say to the doe on Christmas Day? Merry Christmas, Dear!
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie's rocking the xmas jokes
- cliveb
What did Larry want for Christmas? Two more search engines and 3 more Knowledge Management Systems
- Charlie Isaacs
Howdy y'all.
- Nir Ben Yona
Happy Birthday Ella!
- Charlie Isaacs
Don't tip the booze in the Tricaster
- cliveb
Oops, Scoble's mic was hot during that Harde comment :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Is it chai or cha?
- Michael Mahemoff
That was supposed to be a joke, sorry
- Charlie Isaacs
Merry Christmas, War is Over
- Kevin Marks
Lapsang souchong
- Kevin Marks
hi Robert - I'm joining the show live now too :)
- Ramon Ray
Flipscam hehehheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
I have a way of seeing music from friends called http://www.last.fm/user...
- Kevin Marks
ok Im drinking coffee ....maybe there's some kalua in it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
we gonna talk about rypple ??
- studentforce
Favorite enterprise tech - Nodejs?
- cliveb
cliveb: definitely! studentforce: absolutely!
- Robert Scoble
Steve's boss (Marc Benioff) says we must listen to this video from wil.i.am: http://youtu.be/vjIwmJMqrco
- Robert Scoble
it aint LOGISTICS !!!
- studentforce
FedEx said that they used the incident as a "learning experience"
- Charlie Isaacs
like Google and Firefox?
- Kevin Marks
Xbox launches the Xphone and Xtv http://bit.ly/s71Qk1 (tongue in cheek)
- cliveb
said that their product GA schedule was misaligned with the conference. bullshit !
- studentforce
CES feels stale
- cliveb
i just rented the spce and will be doing the keynote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- studentforce
hey cliveb I added sound effects to that FedEx video for fun :) http://youtu.be/PDF52CG71ug
- Charlie Isaacs
Exactly, Scobleizer is more real-time
- cliveb
he/she didin't buy enough this year (Best underBuy!)
- studentforce
CES is about Android.
- Charbax
Charbax: I think Mobile World Congress is a far bigger deal for Android.
- Robert Scoble
Best Buy really blew it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Apple/Microsoft don't want to compete. They only want to use anticompetitive tactics and bogus patent lawsuits, they are desperate.
- Charbax
Year Robert, MWC is an even bigger Android show just a month later.
- Charbax
Tina, agree on Best Buy, that is going to hurt them
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie - the old adage ship via FedX for less handling!
- cliveb
Last year there were 1500 booths at CES showcasing Android devices, 32 with Windows related devices, this year there'll be over 2500 booths at CES showcasing Android stuff and even fewer Windows Phone
- Charbax
android isn't just about phones any more
- Kevin Marks
Don’t make Amazon a monopoly... http://on.ft.com/sUsxfK
- cliveb
Google launched Google Video on a CES keynote
- Charbax
shoot I missed John doing a moose impression ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Googlet demonstrated honeycomb at the last CES http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- Charlie Isaacs
my guess $40 Million (or something like that) for the main pre keynote and biggest hall and promo materials, my guess Google will take it next year
- Charbax
Steve is drinking out of his John Lennon glass today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
the question for me is how many non-phone, non-tablet devices are running android charbax. Cameras, TVs, photo frames, etc
- Kevin Marks
Tell him to say "All we are saying is give peace a chance
- Charlie Isaacs
It sure as hell will never be Nokia ;) I agree Google will do it the year after next ... if the world hasn't ended.. obviously ;)
- kosso
Yeah Kevin, I wonder at which point Canon/Nikon/Sony/Panasonic/JVC start putting Android in their DSLR and point and shoots and camcorders, provide photo apps, direct picasa/flickr uploads. Maybe Google releases ARM Powered Google TV, Android laptops, Android platform for E Ink ereaders
- Charbax
My Jawbone Up told me that I was lethargic so I attached it to the back of Lance's bike
- Charlie Isaacs
within a year most HDTVs will have Google TV integrated
- Charbax
ARM Powered Google TV costs only $25 in parts to add to a HDTV including a 1080p webcam for Google+ Hangouts
- Charbax
War Is Over, Merry Christmas
- Kevin Marks
if Apple does a HDTV, I hope it's a Quad-HD 2160p 55" for less than $2000
- Charbax
HTC monday @ gtug (mostly Android) http://4sq.com/uiJIe0
- cliveb
But it is a good point. If stream is becoming limited by infrastructure provider plans and caps; why isn't that being solved by anyone. Last mile is limited. Spectrum is limited. What is the innovation to infrastructure that will solve it? Is anyone working on these to give us hope?
- Michael A. Romig
It'll work with White Spaces
- Charbax
plug in wires and it might work
- Jerome Hughes
WiFi spectrum was mean to use for micro ovens
- Charbax
zero wifi in the main room at le web unless you're on the ethernet tables
- Michael Mahemoff
the apple time capsule will act as a dual bandwidth access point. 2.4 and 5
- kosso
run wires to the TVs
- Kevin Marks
Homeland is good too
- Charbax
indeed: "Wires Work" ;)
- kosso
Spooks is the best show on TV (MI-5)
- Kevin Marks
"Darling I love you but give me Park Avenue" -- Arianna Huffington
- Charlie Isaacs
Boss !
- studentforce
"MI5"?? You mean "Spooks" !! :)
- kosso
Game of Thrones.. meh... Sean Bean can only play 'Sean Bean'.
- kosso
I typed Spooks
- Kevin Marks
lol
- kosso
You have to search for MI5 on netflix
- Kevin Marks
I gather the word 'spooks' has different, non-politically-correct connotations in the USA ;)
- kosso
CNN streams as does Al Jezerra (sp?) to my iPad
- studentforce
Before they lost every domain in existence
- Michael Mahemoff
There's 10 seasons of spooks?
- Charbax
Who owns Godaddy? Didn't they sell to someone recently?
- Charbax
yes, new CEO
- Kevin Marks
GoDaddy caved, and said they'll sit back and see what everyone else thinks - for now. Todd Cochrane from Geek News Central had a phone interview with Warren Adelman, the new GoDaddy CEO.
- kosso
KKR and Silver Lake Partners and Technology Crossover Ventures
- Charlie Isaacs
I think it's time Google got in to the Domain registration and DNS management business.
- kosso
@kosso - of course Sean Bean is no longer on the show ...
- John Taschek
I don't know how anyone was still on GoDaddy in the first place
- Michael Mahemoff
their advertising, especially
- Jerome Hughes
Easy to attack and also easy to move away from
- Michael Mahemoff
KKR and Silver Lake Partners paid $2.25 billion for Godaddy, maybe they want SOPA
- Charbax
I still have about 100 domains with them
- kosso
Why use GoDaddy when you can use Rackspace #shamelessplug
- Charlie Isaacs
I have google apps domains that are white label GoDaddy ones
- Kevin Marks
Wait a sec. They "caved", but if you read the press release they admit their General Counsel, Christine Jones, helped write it. Does anyone really think they are doing a full reversal here?
- Michael A. Romig
Would you buy domains from Google? And manage your DNS records through them? I would.
- kosso
Or NameCheap #shamelessfan
- Michael Mahemoff
Charlie: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
I do kosso, but they whitelabel through GoDaddy
- Kevin Marks
Google is technically an ICANN-accredited registrar
- Michael Mahemoff
it's about how many in that market take actions that are measurable
- Jerome Hughes
I'd like to host my wordpress and phpbb on Google App Engine and have Google handle domains too
- Charbax
I suggest http://hover.com/tummel Tucows (who sponsor my podcast)
- Kevin Marks
Kevin : interesting. I didn't know they did that. I think Google should do it all themselves. They could also strike some interesting info/ad deals for content etc.. it would be an interesting market. As if (someone like) GoDaddy got in to advertising a la adsense.
- kosso
baidu
- kosso
Maybe the content intermediaries don't want to loose their grip on the multi-trillion dollar content/influence industries
- Charbax
@ValaAfshar 1m What you need to know about SOPA (Stop Online Privacy Act) in 2012 - @rww rww.to/vDqJHv.
- studentforce
social media upends sopa...
- cliveb
Instead of SOPA our esteemed leadership should take out the evil Patent Trolls
- Charlie Isaacs
just move to Switzerland, we legalized piracy here last month
- Charbax
Even a Swiss watch is correct twice a day :-)
- Charlie Isaacs
The Internet Wins: Go Daddy Flip-Flops On SOPA by @JonMwords http://rww.to/u3UgwM
- studentforce
maybe Obama should just announce he'd veto any SOPA bill, that'd give him some online support
- Charbax
Then that lends credence to the SOPA purpose being much broader that safe havens. Like Forbes "The Gread SOPA Conspiracy" goo.gl/exQTR. The content providers want more "controls".
- Michael A. Romig
Charlie, definitely: Take out the evil Patent Trolls
- cliveb
yeah! aha! that password is gonna protect you
- studentforce
your printer cartridge is full, but too old
- Jerome Hughes
I think you are the victim of being an early adopter, not a conspiracy of dis-operability. Scoble's HDMI example aside.
- Michael A. Romig
We'll create an encrypted darknet if they try to block stuff, the prob is maybe they'll block or slow down all packets that look like they may be used for accessing the whole darknet
- Charbax
HDCP damages signal ON PURPOSE
- Kevin Marks
@Robert Same goes for fake Apple peripherals , they simply don't work anymore on Cupertino's iDevices.
- Nir Ben Yona
I have this image in my mind of Tina standing behind Steve with a whip making him ride faster on the exercise bike.
- Charlie Isaacs
as long as the content comes out of speakers and is displayed on the screen, it can be pirated
- Charbax
even new Macbooks have look ahead signal processor stopping streaming to > 1 daisy chained device (good luck at conferences)
- cliveb
SOPA companies can't yet install DRM in our ears and eyes
- Charbax
we only want to fly these drones over potential crime scenes
- Jerome Hughes
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2002... Charbax
- Kevin Marks
on the moon? I thought my expenses were bad
- Kevin Marks
4K2K Apple TV for under $2K, bring it on
- Charbax
Apple brings in a much bigger base than slingbox and legitimacy. People will partner with Apple rather than go to guns against them.
- Michael A. Romig
DRM Helmets - dang!
- cliveb
Charlie that's funny but instead I would like to get the bike to power the tv. If you keep the pace... no problem. If you get slow the picture deteriorates
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My smartphone poll: http://gopollgo.com/will-yo... Interesting demographic detail.
- Robert Scoble
my guess an Apple TV won't support DivX and MKV
- Charbax
+1 Tina (I need that for my son...) :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Plus I seemed to have misplaced my whip ;-(
- Tina Chase Gillmor
DoubleTwist will stream to AirPlay at the moment
- Kevin Marks
TWCable TV for iPad as another example. But I still won't buy cable from them having been "unplugged" now for several years.
- Michael A. Romig
Christmas is coming Tina
- Charlie Isaacs
voice controlled tv will come from Apple. Via Siri(ish)
- kosso
on the 6th day of Christmas my true-love gave to me... a bullwhip a crackin'
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If the set-top-box hardware costs $50 external and $25 internal, these types of functionalities aren't really a differentiator on a $1000-$2000 HDTV
- Charbax
Wifi is the standard, but maybe it shouldn't be. Why couldn't the market crack the WiMax nut, for example. What about the latest wireless bluetooth, will that compete?
- Michael A. Romig
you can maybe use ethernet over power line in your home http://www.frys.com/product...
- Charbax
Scoble is like MS Applications, consumes all available memory and network bandwidth
- Charlie Isaacs
everyone in Paris is getting a gigabit/s to the home, they are pulling cables through the Paris sewer system
- Charbax
Yeah the problem in Europe is you can take a short train ride to the conference and you're paying silly international rates for 3G
- Michael Mahemoff
More Open spectrum is a very good answer.
- Michael A. Romig
I heard T-Mobile is available now, they have available spectrum
- Charlie Isaacs
CCNx routers - Van Jacobson
- cliveb
Only in iPad 2 and iPhone 4S devices.
- Nir Ben Yona
do I need to move to Paris?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dale J. Stephens @DaleJStephens 1m Nothing is more aggravating that not being able to communicate due to lack of Internet access.
- studentforce
ipad mirroring uses few kilobits/second, a HDMI out cable can use 20Gbps
- Charbax
Ask Apple to add an HDMI output on your iphone
- Charbax
Enterasys will http://www.enterasys.com/product...
- studentforce
cat 5
- Charlie Isaacs
It could happen, but it is the early adopter problem again. All it takes are those chips that support on the fly packet inspection and prioritization to get commoditized into home devices. Of course you can do that today with higher-end network solutions. Just not your house. So I'm thinking demand just isn't there yet for the market to give you what you want.
- Michael A. Romig
Enterasys RoamAbout® wireless offerings
- studentforce
I think the demand will grow very fast
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Android devices use the MHL connector/dock which is up to 20Gbps over HDMI, mirroring can't really compete with that. Mirroring is for glorified remote controlling
- Charbax
Scoble has an OC192 coming into his house
- Charlie Isaacs
I think you should end the show NOW !!
- studentforce
watch-out for DRM in Tricaster HD...
- cliveb
Apple doesn't want to include HDMI outputs cause they want you to buy extra devices
- Charbax
some of us have been doing this with wires and projectors for many years
- Jerome Hughes
if you have a popular YouTube account they encode your HD videos in realtime
- Charbax
are you holding your iphone with your left hand?
- Charbax
Scoble ran cables out of his windows and down the stairway
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie: nope. Just wifi. But my airport express is right over my downstairs TV.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think the politicians/Obama are corrupt
- Charbax
Apple needs to copy Sonos. I have Sonos setup in 8 rooms with Spotify and MOG and zero issues with wireless. They use their own mesh network in the house.
- Jim Long
Just use http://www.frys.com/product... and a second WiFi router
- Charbax
Politicians are persuadable by face to face speech. Trouble is that most people they talk to face to face are lobbyists.
- Kevin Marks
Google/Apple/M$/Intel/HP need to put the Billions on the table and buy congress
- Charbax
Hey now. We have several congressmen that overlap in Austin. Remember this just came down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... so it all has to be redone.
- Michael A. Romig
@Jim - love Sonos.
- John Taschek
the political conversation is coming back... do I smell a NewsGang?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Apple and Microsoft support SOPA? http://venturebeat.com/2011...
- Charbax
michael - find out when Lamar is appearing in public over xmas and talk to him
- Kevin Marks
@charbax powerline is not all that great, and very unpredictable. A better solution is MOCA if you want to get to other rooms and have coax.
- Jim Long
can you talk about sex and religion when you are done with politics? :-p
- Charlie Isaacs
invite Arianna on the show next time?
- Charbax
is robert drinking whisky out of a jamjar?
- Kevin Marks
cider here.
- kosso
Authentic local Somerset cider here in the UK.
- kosso
Created by Jon Lech - aka "DVD Jon"
- kosso
DoubleTwist.. obviously.. not the cider ;)
- kosso
First World Problems: http://www.reddit.com/r...
- Michael A. Romig
SOPA : Stop Online Piracy Act
- kosso
How about Second World Problems?
- Kevin Marks
Correct! It looks too much like Google Plus (Quora)
- kosso
Propitious Yuletide
- Kevin Marks
Happy Hogswatch
- Kevin Marks
Jolly Holidays!
- kosso
irreverent toast to all unfollow scripts
- cliveb
Kevin: I use Reidel glasses to drink my whisky.
- Robert Scoble
Happy Happy everyone!
- Charlie Isaacs
Thanks for joining us!
- Robert Scoble
Happy holidays!
- Nir Ben Yona
Cheers from the UK! Have a good one! ;)
- kosso
Double Cheers! Have Fun! Happy Holidays!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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- lucyjohnson91
Streaming to a nightlight is beyond wasteful. Having computers in the bedrooms of kids is not a good idea. You need to read up on your child policies.
- marstein
weird echo
- Alex Williams
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PDT participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I'm waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
I posted this to get ready for today's show: https://plus.google.com/u... about my first CES prediction.
- Robert Scoble
hi there
- Kevin Marks
Cool if Jobsworth makes a guest appearance, even a cameo.
- cliveb
Hey guys! Tina, it's your turn now. ACTION.
- Nir Ben Yona
JP is not going to make it I'm afraid, clive.
- Kevin Marks
You're not shitting.
- Francine Hardaway
I think Tech Crunch is destroyed. I can tell it has completely changed. Softer, less interesting
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Kevin:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Hi guys!
- Daniel W. Crompton
I just got a WebOS Tablet, and I gave my KindleFire to my grandson
- Francine Hardaway
TechCrunch has dissolved fast.
- cliveb
Arrington's post: http://uncrunched.com/2011...
- Robert Scoble
Geekwire.com's taken over TC crown in Seattle
- cliveb
It depends on how you manage the acquisitions
- Francine Hardaway
Sometimes acquisitions are the fastest way to destroy value (no idea why)
- cliveb
The problem is that Huffington Post was acquired for $300 million at same time that TC was bought for about $30 million. I could see this collision coming from 100 miles away.
- Robert Scoble
Moe: I would have buried Gowalla too. In fact, I did.
- Robert Scoble
are you guys doing the gang twice a week now every week?
- Laura Norvig
Is it really the expense that's the issue? Windows 8 isn't released yet, is it?
- Brian Hendrickson
that would be amazing, Laura; or at least do one Gillmor Gang and one News Gang
- franzstehrn
Once a week, sorry. But sometimes we delay a show until Monday.
- Robert Scoble
I'd buy a Windows 8 tablet -- it's exciting that their app-building APIs are Web based. It'll be fun to make apps compared to Java.
- Brian Hendrickson
ah, I see, thanks Robert.
- Laura Norvig
Have to say Azure has mojo since ScottGu took over: Nodejs Hadoop
- cliveb
Isn't Microsoft developing for iOS now?
- Alex de Soto
cliveb yeah Node on Metro would be fun
- Brian Hendrickson
I'd rather have a WebOS tablet after the iPad. Awesome platform.
- Nir Ben Yona
Laura... maybe
- Tina Chase Gillmor
OneNote, SkyDrive, Kinectimals for iOS... all rehearsals for a Microsoft tablet?
- Alex de Soto
they don't do anything
- Tina Chase Gillmor
up and to the stage right
- Kevin Marks
Kevin's right about MS law suites. Even mid-level employees changing jobs are nailed to strict, enforced non-competes.
- cliveb
the enterprise based tablet is the iPad at the moment
- Kevin Marks
@brian - webOS had(has) nodejs. sweet.
- cliveb
wow I connect in late and I instantly get Scoble monitor envy
- Charlie Isaacs
cliveb i forgot about that -- no wonder devs are so enamored with it. I did see a cool "responsive" app for different screen sizes - built with a webos framework
- Brian Hendrickson
Governments still use MS Office.
- Nir Ben Yona
Remember when Arrington wanted to develop a tablet?
- Francine Hardaway
Everyone in health care is going to the iPad, whether there's an "enterprise" branded version or not
- Francine Hardaway
I think there is actually a 2010
- Laura Norvig
is microsoft still in business ??
- studentforce
There's still a great demand for Excel and such.
- Nir Ben Yona
crocodile tears for msft
- Kevin Marks
I am running CP/M and HDOS on my Zenith Heathkit Z89.
- Charlie Isaacs
kevin is crying over the death of office
- Tina Chase Gillmor
CTOs like the Microsoft cloud. :(
- Alex de Soto
people don't like change, obviously
- Laura Norvig
ok. not true. some of its features are pretty good. spreadsheets, ppt
- studentforce
FriendFeed never really did get @mentions working -- did it. G+ and FB and TW have it -- it's expected
- Brian Hendrickson
Word is widely used. Most people I work with in the enterprise hate Google docs
- Francine Hardaway
My wife still thinks she is running Wordstar (That's what she calls MSWord)
- Charlie Isaacs
Office / Windows 8 stakes are really high, but metro delivers tablet exp. How can MS go wrong.
- cliveb
being able to work offline is still important for some people/situations
- Laura Norvig
its a commodity
- studentforce
I write in MSWord (a lot of time on airplanes w/out wifi) and then publish to blog or pdf. I usually code in Eclipse or xCode console
- Charlie Isaacs
I would be up the creek currently at home without having a full OS/Environment. So yeah, it's still very important.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
offline I use TextWrangler or SubEthaEdit
- Kevin Marks
Kevin does your editor also work as a signaling device?
- Brian Hendrickson
Facts, Amazon already has a patent license from Microsoft...More facts...(as of july 2011: Office 2010 continues to be the fastest-selling version of Microsoft Office in history with over 100 million licenses sold since its release a year ago.
- Stephen M
You guys are dreaming. You should live in my world. Small businesses use Word, email, and .ppt. They don't want to change.
- Francine Hardaway
Sharepoint is like Yammer
- Brian Hendrickson
Really depends on teh kind of Enterprise. Some businesses are still used to needing to format documents nicely and are used to doing that in word.
- Laura Norvig
Sharepoint is your grandmother's attic -- where you go to store stuff you don't ever want to see again -- Benioff
- Charlie Isaacs
Francine nailed it.
- cliveb
Francine: yes.
- Robert Scoble
No -- Excel is
- Brian Hendrickson
Mostly documents in small business. NO, Steve.
- Francine Hardaway
Way to bring it back to reality, Francine! Although agile small businesses with younger staff tend to use cloud apps more. some work entirely with google apps.
- Laura Norvig
QuickBooks?
- Kevin Marks
they use email to send documents
- Jerome Hughes
Small businesses aren't where you think they are
- Francine Hardaway
Jerry, that's right! They attach word documents to email:-)
- Francine Hardaway
...and there's MS Access, Project and Visio. They are very persistent in certain circles.
- Alex de Soto
Microsoft Has A Dozen Billion Dollar Businesses
- Stephen M
I'd like to know who (profession) uses what at different age: 50+ uses ? 15-20 yrs uses ? 20 - 25 yrs uses ? 25 - 40 yrs? 40 - 50 yrs?
- studentforce
Even though at Alcatel-Lucent we have moved to a Jive Platform people still use the MSOffice tools and store interesting docs and ppts in Jive Enterprise
- Charlie Isaacs
OFFICE is stable
- Francine Hardaway
we are a mid-size nonprofit using outlook, sharepoint, ms-office. we all hate sharepoint and smaller teams use Basecamp instead.
- Laura Norvig
Unless you are in tech
- Francine Hardaway
how many happy Sharepoint users are there? People are basically "living with it"
- Charlie Isaacs
if you're still preparing documents for print a lot, sure, you end up in office
- Kevin Marks
Charlie: right.
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft Sold 5 Million Seats Of Office 365 In Less Than Three Months and 90% of those are small businesses
- Stephen M
do you like it, or do you just live with it?
- Kevin Marks
Charlie, it's scary how awful it is, really. Only use is version control/checkout.
- Laura Norvig
Small biz likes keeping a firm grip. WinOffice over WebSocial tools
- cliveb
it doesn't matter that Sharepoint is lame -- it's cheap and IT can install it behind the firewall, that makes it important.
- Brian Hendrickson
if goog docs was more robust people would jump fast. No loyalty to MS like there used to be
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Stephen: and Box.net has something like 8 million ustomers and is doubling every 11 months.
- Robert Scoble
site licensing makes it an all or nothing decision, need to mount a major project to save anything
- Jerome Hughes
sharepoint is really bad when people try to use it for knowledge management...trying to store docs that can solve customer issues in there
- Charlie Isaacs
E-mail will persist as long as there are lawyers. Where else will people place those lengthy legal disclaimers?
- Alex de Soto
When does the 2010 Web arrive Rob :D
- David Lloyd
Tina, yep. I've tried to switch to google docs but there are bugs, load issues, and lack of complexity in formatting tools.
- Laura Norvig
I used to know how to format thinsg in word
- Kevin Marks
these days I write HTML or code instead
- Kevin Marks
Google apps just suck, even LAPD is dumping Google apps gmail
- Stephen M
Tina: That's true, but maybe from the pricing point. Most people would probably use Office if it wasn't so pricey.
- Nir Ben Yona
eg I made http://xmaslabels.com to avoid having to deal with bloody Word tables and mail merge
- Kevin Marks
There's QuickOffice Pro for the iPad. That will keep Office in use for a while.
- Alex de Soto
sometimes when my kids write papers they cant do it on Google docs BUT teachers dont iinsist on Word any more because Google is free
- Tina Chase Gillmor
sharepoint is not cheap next to open source content management
- Jerome Hughes
Prezi is great for presentations.
- Nir Ben Yona
I use Google Docs because I travel so much. When I work with an enterprise client, they want me to send a Word doc because they want to download the doc to read when THEY are traveling and offline. And when I work with small businesses and startups, they don't have time to learn any new software so they use Office for Mac:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Microsoft DID NOT announce Office the ipad.. it was a rumor..why are you reporting that as fact
- Stephen M
iWork apps
- Jerome Hughes
Prezi is pretty cool, agree Nir
- Charlie Isaacs
I like Prezi
- Kevin Marks
i love Prezi.
- Robert Scoble
it's a bit weird on iPad, but works OK on web
- Kevin Marks
MS Incentives! IT admin shops serving smb/sme make careers and money upgrading servicing office. Make nothing with Goog docs
- cliveb
Outlook Express is part of Office
- Francine Hardaway
So despite all this, why was latest version of Office biggest selling version of all time
- David Lloyd
Huge sales
- David Lloyd
Beginners using Prezi tend to make the audience motion sick
- Francine Hardaway
true Clive
- Tina Chase Gillmor
inertia, David.
- Kevin Marks
Francine there is no Outlook Express
- Stephen M
I need to go in a couple of minutes
- Kevin Marks
So "dying" products have inertia?
- David Lloyd
+Steven M oops!
- Francine Hardaway
OneNote for the iPad arrived on December 13, did someone already say that?
- Charlie Isaacs
I said it was on iPad, but I haven't tried it
- Kevin Marks
ok Kevin. I just let Steve know
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Wonder if they will discuss Winer's post about Apps
- David Lloyd
David: Momentum is hard to change.
- Robert Scoble
iPad isn't the word processing tool.
- Francine Hardaway
THat's YOU
- Francine Hardaway
one day...real soon...your iPad will be your office computer AND your desktop phone
- Charlie Isaacs
the liberating effect of constraints
- Jerome Hughes
how can you "work" with an ipad? the app model is like Dos..one thing at a time..
- Stephen M
iAWriter is a beautiful iPad app for writers.
- Alex de Soto
Everyone I know is still trying to find a good word processing tool for the iPad.
- Francine Hardaway
We visit websites on our computers and use APPS on our ipads..
- David Lloyd
Exactly. The entire government offices in Israel run Microsoft Office.
- Nir Ben Yona
Who cares about new apps for Windows... just go to a website
- Stephen M
I've tried iAWriter and Blogsy, and Pages. I end up drafting in Evernote and then uploading to WP
- Francine Hardaway
How about Skype?
- Brian Costello
starting with ways to convert to and from office documents
- Jerome Hughes
Yup. I use Evernote for text processing most.
- Francine Hardaway
If I am online I write in WP, but that's dangerous on the iPad
- Francine Hardaway
Nir Ben Yona, its a good thing... LA tried going to Google Apps, but they have had to drop it it sucked so bad
- Stephen M
good one Kevin
- Charlie Isaacs
does prezi let you author on iPd now?
- Kevin Marks
OK, I'm gone
- Kevin Marks
Cld be in Airplanes disconnected Cloud apps doc experience suks. (html5 local storage ~)
- cliveb
Francine -- can't you use an iPad app that hooks to your WP?
- Brian Hendrickson
...but not forgotten
- Tina Chase Gillmor
like MarsEdit?
- Brian Hendrickson
By the way, I loaded a new app today for windows... try MetroTwit..its beautiful, and awesome too
- Stephen M
Brian yes. But I write a lot on airplanes without wifi and in conferences with crummy wifi, and I need to draft offline more than you think
- Francine Hardaway
Not the cheap wine, right?
- Charlie Isaacs
@Stephen: Learning the hard way ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
Francine - a well-designed MarsEdit-a-like would handle offline mode -- not sure if that exists tho
- Brian Hendrickson
This show sounds like a bunch of Microsoft competitors complaining about them...
- Stephen M
Great video by me about Rypple: http://youtu.be/fcDHdATSjaQ
- Robert Scoble
anyone tried Microsoft Lync?
- Stephen M
I want to work with the Wookey! (hint nudge wink)
- cliveb
I am wondering about how this will affect the SAP/Salesforce relationship...
- Charlie Isaacs
My company is a huge Microsoft partner, gives me more reason to bash on them to make them better Stephen M
- Charlie Isaacs
I think eventually people will run their own cloud software the way they adopted running their own PCs in the '80s. it's the mainframe era of the cloud.
- Brian Hendrickson
you can get a Windows Phone for 99 cents :)
- Stephen M
I went to the real-time crunch-up, stood at a Mic and asked Jack Dorsey why Twitter wasn't decentralized like e-mail. he said the users didn't care if it was decentralized.
- Brian Hendrickson
Nodejs yes!
- cliveb
node + xmpp!
- Brian Hendrickson
Hey Stephen if we wanted Microsoft ads we would go here: "The worst Microsoft ads of all time" http://www.guardian.co.uk/technol...
- Charlie Isaacs
federated.
- Francine Hardaway
the problem with OStatus is it's like Atom -- a splinter
- Brian Hendrickson
Moe why denegrate RealTime by calling it CNN.. no one watches CNN
- Stephen M
there's been a lot of good real-time tech invented the past couple years -- Salmon, Pubsubhubbub
- Brian Hendrickson
that stuff can work with RSS too --
- Brian Hendrickson
That's true.
- Francine Hardaway
@Robert: Soooooo True! You nailed it.
- Nir Ben Yona
+1 Robert
- Charlie Isaacs
And I love the idea that developers wanted to build Kinect apps and the mobile platform takes no advantage of that
- Francine Hardaway
but he totally backtracked on it.
- Laura Norvig
Yes, I thought it was awesome, but the media nearly drove him under
- Francine Hardaway
MS has enough resources where they can retain their old style legacy thinking and create a new division with "new style thinking" and just let the old appendage wither and go away on its own
- Charlie Isaacs
Microsoft is doing so bad with developers they can't sell their developer tools...oh wait, its a billion dollar business thats up 11% year over year
- Stephen M
Reed may be inline to succeed Ballmer (but up in the air now)
- cliveb
Stephen: Box.net doubled in the same year. WHich business would you rather have?
- Robert Scoble
it's not like MS is going to crash and burn, but if they don't move forward, what are they?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
why do you really need email if you have threaded conversation tools?
- Laura Norvig
Microsoft had a record sales/revenue year..why replace him
- Stephen M
Have a wonderful holiday everybody
- Francine Hardaway
Regardless $$ Ballmer still needs a cloudy successor.
- cliveb
good pt Tina, also, what is their dev growth rate vs. Apple and Adroid? I paid my $99 for xcode dev without hesitation, but I don't buy ms dev licenses any more, only at my company
- Charlie Isaacs
Today you should thank me, as well for the annoying small business insights
- Francine Hardaway
Good show thanks -- where do I pay my $5?
- Brian Hendrickson
Why pay to dev for a phone?
- Stephen M
Great show #cheers
- Nir Ben Yona
Thank you, Francine. :-)
- Debi Jones
+1 for Robert. Hi Debi!!!!
- Francine Hardaway
you guys are all great, thanks for the exchange! :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Lovely time. If there's no show next week...have a great holiday!
- Alex de Soto
Happy Holidays everyone!
- Debi Jones
By the way, why isn't there a chat room? its on ustream??
- Stephen M
Good to see SFDC pick up coach Wookey.
- cliveb
call LEO!!
- Brian Hendrickson
They won't notice you
- Francine Hardaway
Leo as in Twit?
- Stephen M
thanks francine for the annoying small business insights
- Steve Gillmor
yeah gillmorgang was hosted there in 2008 i think
- Brian Hendrickson
ahhh.... no
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks everyone.
- Robert Scoble
I think Microsoft avoiding CES is a mistake, and seems to be based on the cost to have a keynote speaker. #gillmorgang
- Zennie Abraham
I brought the first live stream to the NFL Draft in 2007. NFL copied it in 2008. #gillmorgang
- Zennie Abraham
Problem with SOPA is it gives power to fraudulent take down claims, even with the penalties. This is already a REAL PROBLEM on YouTube #gillmorgang
- Zennie Abraham
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Nir Ben Yona, Laura Norvig, Robert Scoble and 2 other people liked this
well, I am recording in the town square in Redwood City. All the indoor places were noisier...
- Kevin Marks
ok Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm at home. This will start shortly.
- Robert Scoble
*tapping foot*
- Laura Norvig
hello!
- Maciej Głuszek
Hi Laura and Maciej: we're trying to get started.
- Robert Scoble
Hey everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
I am here and you can start now.
- imabonehead
hi there
- Kevin Marks
Welcome everyone.
- Robert Scoble
Greetings, y'all.
- Phil Gomes
Hi everyone. glad you're all here.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
what companies already have it?
- Laura Norvig
or if you read the Wall Street Journal
- Kevin Marks
Let's get some more Rackspace swag on the wall, Robert ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
scoble has blown his dunbar stack years ago
- Kevin Marks
Robert - good to see you. Safe travels to Paris. Send the family video mail while you're there via http://iphone.eyejot.com
- David Geller
Someone who looks like Scoble was wearing a tuxedo last night at the Rackspace party.
- Charlie Isaacs
I can never find where to choose "show me less" about a person.
- Laura Norvig
The Coca Cola page is owned by Pepsi haha jk
- Charlie Isaacs
ohhh, under Subscribed. Ugh. weird terminology.
- Laura Norvig
Hmm... Speaking of "filtering out..."
- Phil Gomes
guys, behave! ;)
- Maciej Głuszek
Interesting comments, brands on FaceBook is what you pay for the "Free" Service
- Daniel W. Crompton
Robert i'm looking at the top right corner and it's a Subaru ad -- he's not *totally* wrong
- Brian Hendrickson
Court date? Look at the background...
- Phil Gomes
Phil: Kevin Marks is in Redwood City for the geek event I'm hosting in a couple of hours.
- Robert Scoble
I "Like" some brands, music bands etc. And I click "dont show me anything from..." and I don't see this in my feed ever
- Maciej Głuszek
not seeing any packet loss when listening to you....
- Kevin Marks
I miss SV geek events ,though geek events here in the Windy City are quite awesome.
- Phil Gomes
So, Acquaintances is for people who don't have the balls to unfriend someone. Hmmm.
- Laura Norvig
but they are starting to surface tools in the stream itself for graph cleanup. That is what needs to happen so it's "in that moment" you can do it a piece at a time.
- Jerry Schuman
Sorry Kevin. Your feed breaks down a bit. We'll keep trying...talk fast!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve Gillmor they changed it from 50 to 150
- Brian Hendrickson
Sites need to have "Like", "Dislike" and "Damn With Faint Praise" buttons.
- Phil Gomes
This should be called "The Random Show" ;)
- Maciej Głuszek
hey man! you're violating your friends privacy :)
- john
definitely. If I want to use Facebook for my org, share to a specific page I manage, switch roles, etc., I can't do some of that fine-grained admin stuff well on mobile.
- Laura Norvig
Laura, very true
- Tina Chase Gillmor
bet you Balmer uses an iPad2 !!
- studentforce
studentforce: I seriously doubt that.
- Robert Scoble
US snail mail just arrived. That was loud!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I tend to agree with Robert on Facebook. I like it more now than ever.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Sounds like Perssonas. ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
GO 9ers! :)
- Charlie Isaacs
that is so annoying, though. I hate them trying to figure out what I want to see.
- Laura Norvig
it would be interesting to provide a Radian6-like keyword/filter mechanism that consolidates your personal "rivers of data"
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie, that's why I use lists. The ones *I* created, not the ones Facebook tried to foist on me.
- Laura Norvig
But you should be able to filter within the lists to "escalate" the important subjects/topics (to you) of that minute/hour
- Charlie Isaacs
Ah, true. Show me what my nptech friends post if it's about tech, but not about their babies. But you do kind of lose the personal touch of social networks that way.
- Laura Norvig
Facebook is doing something interesting with the way they now group together who and how many people have shared a specific link.
- Laura Norvig
agree (about the personal touch) Laura
- Charlie Isaacs
I have some technology that I'd love to sell to Betaworks that does exactly what he wants.
- Jerry Schuman
Laura: exactly right. Facebook's lists are better than Google+'s.
- Robert Scoble
Herman Cain says "Ok, there was that first woman, and then Ginger, and um, who was that third woman, um, "
- Charlie Isaacs
Rule of thumb: If you hear it from Laura N, it's generally right. :-) She set me straight twice recently.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce, wait, whut?
- Laura Norvig
I hope that Scoble was watching my "Honey Badger Customer Service" video :)
- Charlie Isaacs
how 'bout the amount of money our senators and reps earn from insider trading ????
- studentforce
Laura: once on suicide statistics, once on whether Kevin Fox should visit FF more often. You were right both times.
- Bruce Lewis
Scoble, yes and no. I think they stumbled by trying to foist lists on the 99% who don't use them. It seems awkward. I now have two Family lists. One I created myself and one Facebook created for me. It said I could merge them but that didn't work.
- Laura Norvig
(Insufficient bandwidth on this train to watch the video feed. Trying to infer conversation from the comments.)
- Bruce Lewis
I was watching this street skiing video. http://www.kmcmag.com/fresh-c... Pretty epic.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin Fox can check out but he can never leave.
- Laura Norvig
I am very jealous of John Borthwick's hair
- Charlie Isaacs
Chat not happening and I can't see the video. I guess I'll go back to playing with the Instagram API. Later!
- Bruce Lewis
They're talking about the Carrier IQ debacle
- Charlie Isaacs
still can't TRUST FB when it comes to privacy and choices. That's an issue
- studentforce
studentforce: that's bullshit. Don't put anything on a computer that you want to be private.
- Robert Scoble
Even on Path I don't see anything there that wouldn't be shared anywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
And Facebook gives you more privacy choices than anyone else.
- Robert Scoble
Personally I went the other way, I make everything on these things as "public as possible."
- Robert Scoble
http://facebook.com/roberts... lets you stalk me.
- Robert Scoble
3 minutes of battery left...
- Kevin Marks
Beatles app: http://whattheythink.com/news...
- John Taschek
Studentforce: and apps like Socioclean even let you see exactly what Facebook is exposing about you and you can delete everything you don't want other people to see about you.
- Robert Scoble
What *doesn't* let you stalk Robert Scoble? :-)
- Bruce Lewis
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Dave Martin, Nir Ben Yona, Susan Beebe and 9 other people liked this
Hopefully the discussion today will be on "Fire." ;)
- Alex de Soto
I bet Steve hates the Fire. And he will probably utterly dismiss it.
- David Lloyd
7 min and counting.... Oops 6!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Robert Scoble in the house or MIA?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ahh just getting him in now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm here.
- Robert Scoble
Quick tech glitch...standby
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Standby
- Robert Scoble
Stay on target! :-)
- Robert Scoble
and it's really real…
- Jerome Hughes
taking over the world? Meh. Nice tool for the AMZ silo.
- Karoli
When you combine retail, AWS, and the tablet direction, the world is becoming Jeff's oyster.
- Michael Mahemoff
Which makes the kindle a Segway?
- Michael Mahemoff
who's letting off fireworks in the park?
- Kevin Marks
bike > car
- Jerome Hughes
Chrome browser to Android (finally) http://bit.ly/mQbBsA
- cliveb
i just have iphone - too small to read on so i use kindle on the mac/whatever
- mal
reminds a bit of eclipse plug in differences
- Jerome Hughes
What about the Amazon buying Palm OS from HP rumor. Any teeth to the rumor?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Does Microsoft get royalties on the Fire too?
- Alex de Soto
it's all about how far you fold it from your eyes
- Kevin Marks
MS will probably ask for licensing. I can't see why not.
- Michael Mahemoff
When is Apple TV going to release an app store? That will change everything.
- Fraser Cain
Walmart's on a roll with their new lab. They are probably very interested in WebOS.
- Michael Mahemoff
slowly decreasing percentage of quickly increasing market... ok
- Jerome Hughes
actually there's very little beatles on spotify
- Ankush Narula
We're going to have to turn into flies so we can watch so many screens at one time.
- Alex de Soto
amazon won't buy palm
- Kevin Marks
you got a blind, for one
- Jerome Hughes
Spotify only has Beatles covers afaict. Artists "#1 Beatles Now" and "The Ultimate Beatles Cover Band" aren't the Beatles.
- Michael Mahemoff
they only have Mozart covers too
- Kevin Marks
Kindle has no apps because Amazon was holding off on their platform, waiting for Android. Change again to WebOS and they set the clock back another 18 months.
- Michael Mahemoff
they're hiring: http://aws.amazon.com/amazons...
- Kevin Marks
More likely Oracle buys Palm for mobile strategy like SAP (funded by Android royalties)
- cliveb
Walmart otoh has a blank slate and apparently a mandate for acquisitions.
- Michael Mahemoff
The Amazon Android fork already has set them back in time. Will only get worse unless Amazon creates a full OS team to keep their fork relevent.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
a blank slate? is that one with no apps?
- Kevin Marks
Not even a web browser.
- Michael Mahemoff
A single SPDY thread, that's why it's called silk (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...)
- Michael Mahemoff
Thanks, Michael!
- Robert Scoble
Moe: no, he's trying to keep up with Zuckerberg.
- Robert Scoble
Not sure but the Fire seems to have a better form factor for video (widescreen) than the current iPad.
- Alex de Soto
they are a shopping company. they want you to shop
- Kevin Marks
Fire is 16:9, like most Android tablets, and Mac Laptops
- Kevin Marks
and iMacs, come to think of it
- Kevin Marks
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
And you can check out Kindle books from some public libraries.
- Alex de Soto
Moe: the killer guy at Microsoft is the guy who runs the law department.
- Robert Scoble
if only microsoft had had someone 8 years ago touting the benefits of tablets....
- mal
Moe: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
Hey guys and gals
- Christian Burns
Hi Christian!
- Robert Scoble
Who would be stupid enough to invest in bandwidth when the US Gov can make you resell it to competitors at no profit? That's why
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, my google plus following has gone nuts. :) Thanks for sharing
- Christian Burns
examine some past infrastructure you know well in the present... http://www.historicaerials.com/
- Jerome Hughes
bollocks, Stephen. structural separation works
- Kevin Marks
better late than never.
- Aron Michalski
Bollocks, Kevin, there's no free market in communications. That's why we don' t have fiber connections at competitive prices
- Stephen Pickering
infrastructure evolves based on demand which also evolves
- Jerome Hughes
we have the worst of both worlds - local monopolies with no structural separation
- Kevin Marks
how about duct neutrality?
- Kevin Marks
I have dark fiber going by my house, if only I could tap it.
- Christian Burns
Where does the US rank in net performance? http://www.netindex.com/ - not in top 10. But 4th in the G8 http://www.netindex.com/downloa...
- John Taschek
they look suspiciously like record execs from 10 years ago
- Jerome Hughes
an invitation to compete
- Jerome Hughes
Grey Davies, Action star
- Kevin Marks
except for that whole Honeycomb source code thing
- Ankush Narula
That's called the free market
- Stephen Pickering
The intersection of politics and tech!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The fork is the big issue which should be the real concern for buying the Fire.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
my mac.com accounts have stopped worked
- Kevin Marks
All of this is a mute point. As soon as it is OPENED or Cracked it is a game changer. Barnes and Noble NOOK
- amarquart
From the Amazon website: "Your Favorite Apps and Games... Angry Birds, Plants vs. Zombies, The Weather Channel and more, plus a great paid app for free every day. All apps are Amazon-tested on Kindle Fire for the best experience possible."
- Alex de Soto
woohoo!! Amazon Android free apps. I got some of those in my Dell Streak 7
- Da
so why is Google adding 3rd campus in Seattle (840 person Bothell bldg)
- cliveb
Hey another Dell Streak 7 owner :) #iwork4dell
- Susan Beebe
google is hiring all over the place - huge building in London too
- Kevin Marks
interesting... Google Social expansion?
- Susan Beebe
apple broke my mac.com accounts last night too
- Kevin Marks
friend at meetup last night was asked what his next Android would be... his response... iPhone 5
- Jerome Hughes
let me know we're eagerly anticipating the Gingerbread upgrade on the Steak 7, Susan
- Da
mmm, Steak
- Kevin Marks
hmm. thought spring cleaning could reduce Google's need for additional Engineers
- cliveb
The Huawei Honor Android Gingerbread Phone claims three days on a single charge...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
it's yummy too
- Da
This show always continues to amaze me. Packed with info and educated opinion. You guys rock! Sorry don't mean to applaud our own show but...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Wait a minute. Windows 8 is focused on tablet use....
- amarquart
I don't even remember to charge the blackberry
- Kevin Marks
amarquart: exactly. It's far less interesting.
- Robert Scoble
BECAUSE of the Amazon.
- Robert Scoble
I should give it back
- Kevin Marks
One thing Rim does is product placement. Seems like every new movie and tv show the actors are using a Blackberry. Won't HTML5 help Rim hang on?
- Stephen Pickering
those Android IDEOS phones that Huawei's been selling like hotcakes in Kenya is probably optimized for long battery life
- Da
and minis (or at least the OS) ~ a good friend in that space says the best thing ever to happen to RIM is iPhone
- Jerome Hughes
Blackberry haz cheaper data plans (x3 texting kids mks difference)
- cliveb
I had to use a blackberry in London. Yuck. I hated it!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Android is diversifying into all the phone niches - Huawei are replacing the feature phone niche that Nokia thought they owned
- Kevin Marks
A black hole that the (average) consumer of Facebook doesn't seem to want...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Most of the tablets I saw when I was in the Philippines in May were Samsung Galaxy 7's
- Da
popular isn't the same as ubiquitous
- Kevin Marks
Microsoft has it's relationship with Facebook? No?
- Stephen Pickering
True Kevin...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Balmer is going to try to buy their way in. And that is why it will fail. stigma
- amarquart
Facebook's Project Spartan would be big on feature phones
- Da
facebook zero was aimed at that maket
- Kevin Marks
Scobleizer for nobel prize in black holes!
- cliveb
hmm, I dunno though, in the most of the world, Microsoft's still pretty unanimous with computers. It might be a no-name box but it runs on Windows
- Da
Microsoft will distribute through Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
MS has Bing! and XBox. A relationship w/Facebook, Skype. Hate to say it, but they will have a conduit into the black holes.
- Alex de Soto
what proportion of IE browsers have google toolbar installed?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin's hair and the trees behind him are moving in tandem; synced?
- Aron Michalski
It's IE 8 here with the Google toolbar
- Da
now
- Jerome Hughes
doing my bit to stress the video codecs...
- Kevin Marks
caching is learning
- Kevin Marks
I was wondering if it was a Pixar algorithm...
- Aron Michalski
The new Page rank? The whoisme rank.
- Arnie Klaus
don't concentrate on who has already made the purchase but whom influenced the decision
- amarquart
next time I'll try and sit in front of a lake with sunlight glinting off it. Codecs hate that.
- Kevin Marks
Kred==PeopleBrowsr's product
- Michael Mahemoff
wondering why Micrososft put money in Facebook a while back
- Da
it's good when your clueless score plummets
- Jerome Hughes
MSFT seems to be cooking up a new GraphDB (Redmond Blackhole)
- cliveb
sounds like Max Headroom
- Kevin Marks
companies in the business of herding cats
- Jerome Hughes
I'm glad I have no Klout. I'd rather learn a language to communicate with someone else in the world than know the t shirt preference of a 20 something in a mall...
- Aron Michalski
his Klout score is zero but he's in everyone's circle, he's the most interesting man in the world
- Da
washington general motors
- Jerome Hughes
follower spam! not a fan of sharing G+ circle
- cliveb
perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
apple's ping should approach google to be their spotify/fb
- mal
that would be a nice improvement on Ping
- Da
Primordial Ooze (social gone dark)
- cliveb
I'm oozing that comment (like plus 1...)
- Aron Michalski
ping will be subsumed in twitter
- Kevin Marks
but is Apple really into social?
- Da
what does he do about those who abstain?
- Jerome Hughes
and maybe i wont have to watch ads for domestic beer
- mal
Imagine if they could track things that don't involve sitting around in front of a screen...
- Aron Michalski
mal - by any chance do you need a truck?
- Jerome Hughes
Rather to think about Facebook aggregating yet more content. Of course, it's the Zuckerberg dream come true.
- Michael Krigsman
Here's an interesting Google+ related site that aggregates my content -- https://www.foldedsoft.at/+...
- Susan Beebe
Tera Nova is not bad lol
- Susan Beebe
Terra Novacaine
- Stephen Pickering
Hah.
- Robert Scoble
Pike Kilt Lifter sure beats Budweiser
- cliveb
lol
- Susan Beebe
RIP Tevatron … bit.ly/o2zzwC
- Jerome Hughes
I helped a friend with a problem (how would that effect my score if I didn't send them a promoted link?)
- Aron Michalski
Everyone wants to collect your most personal details with intimate fidelity, to sell more and more shit you don't really need << bad mood about this today.
- Michael Krigsman
check out San Miguel beer
- Da
PLEASE Stream it this time ...
- Susan Beebe
haha
- Susan Beebe
iWontbethere...
- Aron Michalski
your opinions are more important than your presences
- Jerome Hughes
the coffee at Apple HQ is good
- Kevin Marks
YEP - the koolaid is even better!
- Susan Beebe
great shot of Steve chuckling, Tina!
- Jerome Hughes
We need centralization to build markets and consolidate customers, but at some point it's too much. Question becomes, what is that breakover point where it becomes bad.
- Michael Krigsman
when we're all in the Matrix
- Da
Will you guys talk about the greatness of HP and Oracle, or did I miss that part yet :-)
- Michael Krigsman
competition breeds success
- Jerome Hughes
Michael: hahahahahahahhah.
- Robert Scoble
YAY, glad to see the show continue :)
- Susan Beebe
Great show! Kept me in the office until 5:30 pm (EDT). Have a great weekend.
- Alex de Soto
HP and Oracle were not waterboarded
- cliveb
real men watch this in lynx
- mal
Applause for Tina :)
- Susan Beebe
bought around the same time- my bought-new HP desktop conked out before my bought-used Dell desktop, yikes!
- Da
++ Susan
- Jerome Hughes
Ream men love HP :-)
- Michael Krigsman
thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
lol meant to say real men
- Michael Krigsman
Great show!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Thanks and Happy Rosh Hashana :)
- Nir Ben Yona
… and Aron.
- Jerome Hughes
L'Shana Tovah
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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Mark Bonchek, Naor Mark, cliveb and 9 other people liked this
hello there
- Kevin Marks
Hang on Kevin. We're about to get you connected but maybe a 5 min delay
- Tina Chase Gillmor
when will the show start?
- nchenga
shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry for the problems, they are my fault. I'm at Smash Summit and had some technical problems getting online.
- Robert Scoble
Steve, I'm on Skype waiting for your call.
- Robert Scoble
Howdy!
- Nir Ben Yona
unpaid bloggers - it's because of, not with as Doc searls says
- Kevin Marks
Honestly, I have never seen Mark Zuckerberg being so natural, real and beautifully open!
- Nir Ben Yona
And his goofy nervous laugh
- Mark Vaske
Moe: Google+ is Google's "bet the company" reaction to Zuckerberg's strategy.
- Robert Scoble
What about all of the pissed off users? I guess they'll adapt.
- Alex de Soto
Moe is right, unless Google acts very very swiftly. Otherwise it becomes something else.
- Mark Vaske
you can see what I read through the fb ux; I don't generally read the wapo as it's paywall is too cumbersome
- Kevin Marks
Is this Dan's post? http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment...
- Alex de Soto
thats the one Alex
- Kevin Marks
the other thing, as Zuck touted endlessly yesterday, everything now just happens serendipitously.
- Mark Vaske
Interesting article: http://venturebeat.com/2011...
- Darren
serendipity doo dah.
- Kevin Marks
Pissed off users have no other major service to go to (Twitter doesn't count). Google+ isn't offering users anything distinct from Facebook. Same behemoth data-mining and monetizing our personal data attached to our real world identities.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Does someone have the link to Dan's post?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The alternative is to put NO data out there.. :)
- Kevin Costain
Farhad Manjoo had a good point about sharing http://www.slate.com/...&
- Kevin Marks
do we really want a fragmented web identity spread throughout the web, or do we want a centralized location someone can go to figure out who we are with the external apps we use, that push into facebook?
- Mark Vaske
we want both
- Kevin Marks
I'm seeing allot of people on Facebook with this status: Please do me a favour and move your mouse over my name here, wait for the box to load and then move your mouse over the "Subscribe" link. Then uncheck the "Comments and Likes". I would really rather that my comments on friends and families posts not be made public. Then re-post this if you don't want your every single move posted on the right side in the "Ticker Box" for everyone to see.
- Kevin Costain
I'm wondering also - if there is somewhere in Facebook that we could see our own ticker?
- Kevin Costain
Yep - we're are not people - we are dollar signs ... peachy
- Xenophrenia
Facebook now combines all your activity in a category and shows, I like these videos or this music, even though you are using 8 different services for each.
- Mark Vaske
do those end up accessible by the graph API?
- Kevin Marks
Facebook is a homage to the almighty dollar ... and we have all lain ourselves out prone praising the loss of human by hailing the wonder of how we can be sold ... Facebook is the pimp
- Xenophrenia
http://j.mp/disruptFlix was my take on this
- Kevin Marks
Thats ridiculous to say. It is a service that provides a communication tool. You can see it as us all becoming narcissists but thats only if you use the tool that way.
- Mark Vaske
Facebook is the pimp whoring our humanity to the advertising johns ...
- Xenophrenia
The speed of the networks is what is killing DVDs.
- Alex de Soto
Next gone the 2 party political system
- cliveb
I still think there's no replacement to DVD when it comes to music shows (DTS quality and that kind of stuff).
- Nir Ben Yona
Marketing, marketing, marketing
- Stephen Pickering
I posted to Facebook I was at Guitar Center and when I got home there were adverts for guitars on my page
- Stephen Pickering
Because money is all that matters
- Xenophrenia
Google does the same thing with email
- Mark Vaske
It's attention.. catching attention and gaining the attention of an increasingly fragmented and busy population.
- Kevin Costain
who's going to fave tide?
- Kevin Marks
tide, dawn, soft soap
- Mark Vaske
I feel like we are in the chapel with the dollar sign on the altar and Robert is the preacher
- Xenophrenia
FB will have the brand ads and Google will keep the cash flow ads, and naturally both are growing tremendously as the media moves to the web
- Stephen Pickering
Money doesn't have to have a bad connotation, if it's exchanged for actual value
- Stephen Pickering
I'm a sucker for Method detergent. 4 pumps and you're done!
- Alex de Soto
The ticker is genius
- Mark Vaske
Stephen - that's why the actual saying it that it's the love of money that's the root of all evil - not money itself
- Xenophrenia
Money is a clear driving force. As such, I think it's a moot point. If you don't like it - there must be an empty cabin somewhere in the woods of B.C.
- Kevin Costain
Kevin is battling a bug that wants to eat him!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
money is NOT the primary motivating force for humans ... sorry ... study after study has shown that ...
- Xenophrenia
But, as Leo points out Robert, Facebook is becoming increasingly complex to use and understand
- Stephen Pickering
What's the Ticker?
- Stephen Pickering
@Xenophrenia - I'm speaking of what's driving companies such as Facebook.. not humans in particular..
- Kevin Costain
Robert is smashed, rather at Smash.
- Alex de Soto
that fly is very annoying
- Kevin Marks
the ticker is the new recent news system on facebook that is all encompassing and a live stream much like twitter. The homepage is now based on the top stories relevant to you filtered by close friends
- Mark Vaske
Kevin Costain - then was the cabin in the woods addition to the comment? ;-)
- Xenophrenia
But a Twitter only comes around once in a Career
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin - get a baseball bat and whack that sucker
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: Will PayPal handle Facebook currency?
- Alex de Soto
I should plug the bug zapper in
- Kevin Marks
FB is making deals with everyone.
- Phil Ashman
@Xenophrenia - my edit was to correct my crappy spelling.. the cabin in the woods was the fun part of my comment.. haha...
- Kevin Costain
Glam+Ning too, potentially
- Kevin Marks
Tumblr's on a tear
- cliveb
The Communications Revolution is on a tear
- Stephen Pickering
Apple is betting on twitter as their social bus
- Kevin Marks
Hi. Is there video up, or is that just my gremlin?
- Hilary Talbot
WOuld anyone here invest in Pandora? Or will Spotify and iCloud defeat them?
- Stephen Pickering
I don't feel that Facebook's Ticker and Timeline features are necessarily revolutionary. Both these things are ways of organizing and presenting data Facebook already has.
- Kevin Costain
@Stephen - for sure, I would stay away from Pandora.. :)
- Kevin Costain
It'll be interesting to watch how Netflix fare as the incumbents and content distributors continue to pull their catalogues from netflix. Just read about the possible Blockbuster/Dish streaming service.
- Phil Ashman
OK, I noticed their stock getting ripped and was wondering if it was worth dipping my toe in. I enjoy the service myself
- Stephen Pickering
Phil Yeah I saw that report too today on CNBC
- Stephen Pickering
I think the biggest shift in FB's paradigm is the subscription vs friends. How they transition that could be very important
- Mark Vaske
So will public posts on FB be searchable by Google?
- Stephen Pickering
@mark - I would not be surprised to see the future Facebook allows users to create profiles that can ONLY be subscribed too in an easy way.
- Kevin Costain
Funny how they ended up using the same terminology (subscribe) as Friendfeed...I wonder why.....LOL
- Phil Ashman
@kevin friend requests now default as a subscription, and de-friending still leaves that friend as a subscriber unless explicitly blocked. So in some ways it already is a simple default model.
- Mark Vaske
I like Zoë Keating's 'more than just crunchy water' worldview http://bit.ly/o3kKcS
- Kevin Marks
New ways of organizing/presenting can be revolutionary. Google's pagerank was just a new way of organizing/presenting info the WWW already had.
- Bruce Lewis
I never thought the venerable HP would go down like this
- Stephen Pickering
@mark - indeed, i see the separation of "friend" and "subscribe" as a way for Facebook to create these sort fo Page-ish types of profiles (possibly for brands and celebrities?) that can only be followed (a la twitter).
- Kevin Costain
it solves the 5000 followers only problem
- Kevin Marks
@both kevins. Indeed, it could threaten twitter. Robert wrote a good article about friends and aquintences, but he didnt mention what subscribers meant and its really booming. Google+ ers are now enabling subscriptions on facebook and there is a slight shift in that direction.
- Mark Vaske
Google has all the pieces to the puzzle, whereas the other players don't
- Stephen Pickering
YouTube is google's ace in the hole - the hangouts/youtube integration is going to be interesting
- Kevin Marks
@Stephen - I think your right. Facebook as all the eyeballs though. :)
- Kevin Costain
@stephen - they have all the pieces all in separate places, un-unified. Facebook has brought much of that together with apps.
- Mark Vaske
They seem unified to me in my Google account and even in mobile all your info immediately syncs over the air
- Stephen Pickering
I have to run folks.. thanks for a great show. Have a wonderful weekend.
- Kevin Costain
@stephen but there isnt a great way to share it, unless its done manually.
- Mark Vaske
Well all their products just constantly blow me away, translation, maps, Youtube now has cloud editing, they are the new "Cloud" operating system
- Stephen Pickering
@ stephen - I agree, but they need to unify them. I think that is why robert has "bet his career on it, but they do need to move if they want the users.
- Mark Vaske
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So I was trying to list what companies you guys talk about: Apple, Facebook, Google, Twitter
- Vezquex
Is there anything else? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gray, our studio cat is already complaining. He knows a show is about to happen and HE's NOT HAPPY.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Where is the Gillmor Gang chat?
- Doug Ellis
this is the Gillmor Gang chat... but show hasn't started yet
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I have a new Google+ feature (suggested user list, just turned on) to discuss.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - can you post here as the show begins?
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
show has begun
- Christopher Harris
You are in color for us
- Doug Ellis
Doug: well that's good.
- Robert Scoble
Metallica doesn't suit Steve
- Francine Hardaway
I bet he said no
- Francine Hardaway
Yes!
- Francine Hardaway
I thought you couldn't have a brand on + yet
- Francine Hardaway
where can I find this list?
- Christopher Harris
THen I must be on the SUL
- Francine Hardaway
I post Madonna's tweets
- Francine Hardaway
hi kids
- Aron Michalski
Hi Aronski
- Francine Hardaway
What a de-motivator distribution seems to be
- Francine Hardaway
Yay - discussion of the Google+ default list - YAY!
- Allen Stern
hey Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Hi Tina!
- Aron Michalski
I figured it would take 3-6 months for a default list - but they did it even sooner! The problem is that celebs have no desire to interact with normals. Twitter allows them to spread the message with just talking to, here they want you to talk with - that won't work. But what the freak do I know, I don't have 100,000 followers so my thoughts are useless apparently.
- Allen Stern
You are right, Allen
- Francine Hardaway
G+ over-weighting, very astute
- cliveb
Allen: they needed to change their suggestions. Telling me to follow Mark Zuckerberg, who has never posted, is funny but really bad for new users to the service.
- Robert Scoble
hm, Kevin Rose's google plus page is result 2 for 'kevin' now (in an incognito window)
- Kevin Marks
G+ integration with Google Apps
- Ankush Narula
i find google+ a hassle to set-up let alone engage with.
- Gregg
Robert - why in the heck do you think Cashmore and Zee fought to keep his account on google+ - because they needs it for the seo juice.
- Allen Stern
Twiiter still go to communications medium for mois....
- Gregg
G+ for Apps = Chatter
- Ankush Narula
My corp doesn't use Salesforce - we are using G+ though for internal sharing...
- Max Headroom
I saw the ManyMoon team this week - smart bunch
- Kevin Marks
I reall haven't been able to get into Google+ - not sure shy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
http://bit.ly/pn4zc8 is the Schmidt /benioff interview
- Kevin Marks
0.2c Developer community: SFDC attracts older developers, GOOG younger. Late middle still MSFT, Energetic Devs doing consumer web startups
- cliveb
considering how much scoble loves google+, it's odd that this chat is still on ff
- Allen Stern
Tina: because finding people interesting to you is VERY difficult on Google+.
- Robert Scoble
Apple is a business disruptor - not a business partner. Salesforce, Google, etc don't have the same latitude.
- Ankush Narula
Allen: that's because it's hard to embed Google+ in web pages.
- Robert Scoble
and yet - my first time back in months on ff and i can see how much better this still is than google+.
- Allen Stern
tahnks scoble
- Allen Stern
Exactly, Kevin nailed it
- cliveb
yea FriendFeed!
- Gregg
taking over san francisco maybe...
- Kevin Marks
it was a non-story!
- Max Headroom
supposedly it was a fake story
- Ankush Narula
the lost iPhone never turned up. The police say it never happened.
- Michael Markman
Just trying to feed the iPhone 5 vacuum
- Max Headroom
What, no world domination Kevin?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i saw an apple 6 demo unit left on a table in the whole foods near me
- Allen Stern
My Droid just updated to Gingerbread, finally. Maybe that Motorola purchase has legs
- Kevin Marks
Gingerbread? is it a food theme or a fairytail one?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
all the UX changed...
- Kevin Marks
oh and btw - i predict 60 days and google+ will have aggregation too.
- Allen Stern
fun fact; the bit of Moto that makes set top boxes was once an independent company called General Instruments. Donald Rumsfeld was CEO at one point.
- Michael Markman
Kevin - self mute if you can. its better that way if you control
- Tina Chase Gillmor
As long as Android app revenues are lower than iOS app revenues - Android vs iOS comparisons are moot. iOS hardware profits are the bulk of smartphone profits.
- Ankush Narula
I am now, Tina, sorry
- Kevin Marks
the crane is getting further away
- Kevin Marks
Gingerbread, mango, what's up with all the sweet food names? I guess those big Apple cats aren't interested in desserts.
- Alex de Soto
tina, in either case, who is the fox? :)
- Hilary Talbot
no problem Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
coming up: Amazon's Android tablets.
- Michael Markman
"the crane is getting further away" - trademark this!
- cliveb
ah, Markman in da' house. Hello Sir
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i saw box.net in the inc 500
- Allen Stern
Hey, Tina. Hi.
- Michael Markman
Foursquare is delivering new features every 3-4 weeks
- Ankush Narula
foursquare has been on a roll recently
- Kevin Marks
i use foursquare for every check in - what features have they added?
- John Taschek
don't get me wrong either - i like foursquare and use it -- and box too.
- John Taschek
Most recently they added Lists
- Ankush Narula
I'm catching hydration today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's more: http://iphone.iusethis.com/app...
- Ankush Narula
Mike Aynrandington
- Ankush Narula
4sq points to using a platform for building momentum faster
- cliveb
Better late than never! Heya all.
- Nir Ben Yona
Hope Arrington invests in Seattle (funding compared to Bay Area sucks)
- cliveb
it was first and quickly being taken over by hackernews, betabeat etc
- Dan Rockwell
minute they got bought by AOL they became a mockery
- Dan Rockwell
the big question is what does calanis think? HA
- Dan Rockwell
don't most of the celebrity posters on HuffPo have similar conflicts?
- Kevin Marks
Listening in the background while babysitting Parker, 9 mos.Just gave him first popsicle. Now needs a bath
- Francine Hardaway
The Arrington VC story reminds me of FOX News giving activists/politicians a platform
- Ankush Narula
btw I seem to be unblocked by Dave Winer. I've started following him again on Twitter
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's cuz he's buddies with your hubby :-)
- Ankush Narula
or wants to be
- Ankush Narula
the value prop is fading, its had its time
- Dan Rockwell
I'm still blocked - after a year :-\
- Ankush Narula
who's got a good source or blog post to recap this discussion about arrington & tech crunch issue.
- Gregg
ahhh... well, Winer has had Steve blocked for years. Not sure about their "buddy" status
- Tina Chase Gillmor
heh - didn't realize that
- Ankush Narula
shame to see mike no longer part of Disrupt, i take thats no longer his baby now
- Dan Rockwell
Did anyone catch a glimse of Steve's GG mug?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
have a happy weekend
- Ankush Narula
a "bad" word? Are there any "bad" wordsreally?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
behind the media editorial curtain.. nice, ok so its a sham, got it, next
- Dan Rockwell
interesting that a salesforce employee who writes at tc was able to be the editor on a contributed post to tc.
- Allen Stern
some of us like it, Steve! :D
- Jerome Hughes
oh, Steve Gillmor made TC switch to Facebook comments?
- Vezquex
Major old journalism v new journalism rant
- Francine Hardaway
They're lucky Arrington didn't leave completely. They probably became part of his fund to keep him.
- Francine Hardaway
Almost every founder I know who sells his company leaves after a year
- Francine Hardaway
Arrington invests in Enterprise Web, not more Consumer Web, plz
- cliveb
+1 Francine.
- Nir Ben Yona
+ tinagillmor Are we selling those mugs to support the podcast?
- Francine Hardaway
meta-journalist
- Michael Markman
Grumpelstiltskins:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Does Robert need more Rackspace background?
- Francine Hardaway
Amazon pad?
- Max Headroom
2 amazon tabs... 7 inch and 10 inch (Android)
- Michael Markman
Mickeleh, you getting one?
- Francine Hardaway
dunno.
- Michael Markman
I predicted this, kinda http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
the new Nook beats Kindle in features: touch scfreen, more contrast. ... but I'm locked in: all my books are from Amazon.
- Michael Markman
Francine - no not for support. They are available for fans just for fun!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's already not interesting to listen to.
- Michael Markman
and audible
- Max Headroom
I use Audible exclusively and I sold my Kindle
- Francine Hardaway
Francine - forgotten how to read?
- Max Headroom
Yes, but I'm a great listener Max
- Francine Hardaway
it's the new iOS that's the story. together with iCloud.
- Michael Markman
boy that guys talks fast! ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
bizarre noises galore
- Brian Sullivan
+Francine the lady who made my Rackspace logo is also the one who designed the Twitter Fail Whale. Fun little fact.
- Robert Scoble
isn't that 4 screens? TV, desktop or laptop, tablet, and phone
- Vezquex
bingo... amazon will drive volume on the amazon tablet... attracting apps, selling media. Exactly
- Michael Markman
they're demolishing the set behind me
- Kevin Marks
Why that bloody crane has to beep so much...
- Kevin Marks
Good contribution under duress Mark!
- Max Headroom
ah come on...i want some after show
- Dale Lature
Vezquex: the October stuff won't mention Macs or laptops. I don't think. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Fun fact, indeed
- Francine Hardaway
top half / bottom half - like the strategy opening
- cliveb
oh, ok
- Vezquex
good show people. thanks to ALLLLLLL!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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Laura Norvig, #Robert Redl, Nir Ben Yona and 6 other people liked this
at last, a Friday where I'm not swamped in the afternoon.
- Karoli
Yeehaaawww. What a week!
- Robert Scoble
Waiting for the famous Skype call.
- Robert Scoble
listening in
- Christian Burns
who's on today?
- Dale Lature
aside from Robert and Steve?
- Dale Lature
Scoble, Pocket Cast app had the gillmor feed and downloads the video to my android,
- Christian Burns
geez, Robert. Caught whiffs of the "Scoble turned down 500k" story...you do have your fans and your detractors, don't you? :)
- Karoli
Have yet to play it on the phone yet
- Christian Burns
standby... running a few minutes behind. line up Gang!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Karoli: yeah, I sure do, don't I? In the past week I pissed off some rich and famous people. As it should be. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Slide apps killed, overlaps G+, Max Levchin to exit (more streamlining)
- cliveb
Kevin...r u in the house?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't see anything
- Francine Hardaway
Figure you're doing it right if you get those types aggravated.:)
- Karoli
assembling the Gang... almost locked in
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Count me as a friend, Robert. In fact, count everybody here as my friend.
- Francine Hardaway
no Kevin Marks?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Cool, we're almost there.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Tina, Gang, and Gangsters.
- Denise Howell
Ah. I saw a lower third come up:-) That's promising
- Francine Hardaway
My two officemates made me turn Fletch back on until you all get your tech together :)
- coldbrew
I'm here at Singularity U
- Kevin Marks
Yay!!!!
- Francine Hardaway
Great to have Searls participate. [Fletch is on pause :)]
- coldbrew
Hi Dave Winer
- Christian Burns
Hello everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Dave!
- Francine Hardaway
Exactly, Doc. It's his life. I am sad because I suspect he's dying or he wouldn't have stepped down
- Francine Hardaway
those pictures on tmz are heartbreaking
- Jamie
Give the guy some peace. Just leave him alone.
- coldbrew
exactly right. The wording of that announcement was ominous.
- Karoli
I just looked at the picture on TMZ.
- Francine Hardaway
Correct, Robert.
- Francine Hardaway
You need to reexamine your principles if you ever let you browser go to TMZ.
- coldbrew
That is appalling.
- coldbrew
It's appalling that they put those up
- Francine Hardaway
yeah
- Jamie
tmz is a click-whore operation. they're going to make money off train-wreck viewers.
- Karoli
I'm more interested in the new apple campus they are building.
- coldbrew
the Apple UFO building
- Kevin Marks
Yes, Jobs recently presented a plan to the Cupertino City Council about the Apple campus. Search yourtube.
- coldbrew
Steve is right the commencement speech was 2005
- Tina Chase Gillmor
he hasn't been the pitchman for over a year anyway.
- Karoli
Karoli: he was at the iPad 2 launch.
- Robert Scoble
ok. hold on...Here you go: youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M
- coldbrew
the best site to read on Apple history is http://folklore.org
- Kevin Marks
hard to better Steve's Stanford speech
- cliveb
Steve's 2005 beat Oprah's 2007
- cliveb
Kevin: good site - great book
- Ankush Narula
Oh, so right DOC!!!!!!!
- Francine Hardaway
what Jobs is great at is making the mundane into magic.
- Karoli
Hardaway: 6 exclamation points?
- coldbrew
@coldbrew I am given to bouts of wild enthusiasm
- Francine Hardaway
Apple Removes 99-Cent TV Show Rentals from iTunes Store and Apple TV - http://bit.ly/oA8gzI
- Ankush Narula
Colleen: shit happens to people. Not everyone lives to 80s. Another friend's wife died two weeks ago. She was 29.
- Robert Scoble
Hardaway: :)
- coldbrew
oops... i landed in the shot.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@coldbrew Francine sometimes takes cues from her dog Buppy, who wags his tail with seven exclamation points.
- Karoli
HDDs are on their way out for most of us. STX needs to get some SSD tech. Does anyone know if they have that?
- coldbrew
Damn, now I have to get used to Twitter as a TV network. I just got used to ShowMe App
- Francine Hardaway
2007
- Jamie
Doc and his dates today :)
- Jamie
STX has a SSD hybrid laptop drive called Momentus XT
- Ankush Narula
MU, SNDK?
- coldbrew
If you order business class Dell or HP, they are just as good.
- coldbrew
they still run windows, coldbrew
- Kevin Marks
:-) You can make them run whatever you want, depending on what you know.
- coldbrew
"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware." -Alan Kay (we can add services to that)
- Ankush Narula
Kevin we seem to have an audio problem with you. any changes to yur system or setup?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
what about gaming field?
- Contz
bringing you back in
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hard to find Product Guy CEOs who obsess product operating at scale (Jobs, Gates / Maritz)
- cliveb
i switched to new skype
- Kevin Marks
it is gapping fro me
- Kevin Marks
shoudl I go back to old skype
- Kevin Marks
send video kavin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm still one of the crazies thinking that personal servers will rule the roust once everyone understands decentralization and simple server management.
- coldbrew
Like Apple being kind of "too big to fail" - the currency of IT universe?
- #Robert Redl
That perception of perfection is what people called Jobs' "reality distortion field," which is an amazing part of his legacy for Apple's brand.
- Tom Guarriello
We can still use load balancers on AWS but our app servers will be on-premise.
- coldbrew
...and he's been aroound long enoughto set the bar very high
- Tina Chase Gillmor
"Great directors are the ones who don't have to say anything -- you know what I am saying?"
- Just Joe
coldbrew, agreed once tacit knowledge becomes the new IP
- cliveb
Let's parrot out of context quotations...
- coldbrew
"When it's ready" is the Apple mantra
- Kevin Marks
Apple will go into printers. http://tinyurl.com/3pmksbm
- Just Joe
Steve presents Cupertino Council http://youtu.be/gtuz5Om...
- cliveb
Sometimes I'm scared for Scoble for saying the things he does, but what he says is quite interesting.
- coldbrew
The rationale is psychological..."we have to be in the tablet business...it's growing too fast for us to miss out..." Not sound, but understandable.
- Tom Guarriello
OS protection....The more people use IOS devices, the more irrelevant the others become.
- Karoli
anyone remember the HP iPod?
- Kevin Marks
fast following is easier
- cliveb
yeah the blue ipod
- Ankush Narula
the jailbrake community is quite strong.
- coldbrew
Cliveb: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
"It takes more time to make a fake" but they are all rushing these products
- Mark Vaske
HP had a bigger vision than copying the iPad - webOS was meant to be used across many products and form factors
- Ankush Narula
The iphone was definitely a life saver during my last European trip. Great GPS, awesome camera, amazing communication with friends from all over the world and the Time Out app was brilliant.
- Nir Ben Yona
It hasn't happened because the Android OS doesn't seem to perform consistently across devices
- Ankush Narula
idk about that, apple has the most developers, and they control and make the best hardware...
- Mark Vaske
capacitive touch changed lots of things
- coldbrew
kevin yr audio keeps building up as you are silent can u switch toheadphone?
- Steve Gillmor
multitouch too
- Kevin Marks
I am on headphone. Does this build of skype do AGC?
- Kevin Marks
maybe
- Steve Gillmor
should I switch back to the old skype?
- Kevin Marks
turn off autogain?
- Steve Gillmor
how?
- Kevin Marks
we'll live with it
- Steve Gillmor
Reminds me of the original PalmOS
- Ankush Narula
Ballmer would kick you out and play Queens we are the Champions, or smash a chair if really pissed
- cliveb
App Switching != Multitasking
- Ankush Narula
iOS has very broken multitasking
- Kevin Marks
the onion article is a brilliant poke at hp.
- Mark Vaske
Kevin: I disagree that it's broken - it's "managed multitasking"
- Ankush Narula
nice analogy kevin!
- Mark Vaske
very nice analogy
- Tom Guarriello
The ADHD in me appreciates being forced to stop multitasking.
- Karoli
Kevin's right optimization (Elephants over Bacteria)
- cliveb
with lion, one of the main features is to reduce multitasking with fullscreen mode.
- Mark Vaske
the brain cannot multitask, exactly
- Tom Guarriello
well, that's why you turn off the radio when the driving gets too challenging
- Tom Guarriello
I dont want 8 apps dividing up my ipad screen
- Mark Vaske
very fast serial task switching
- Jerome Hughes
I can listen to this and do email at the same time... Multitasking?
- Just Joe
How can I get IOS5?
- Francine Hardaway
Joe - are you focused on both?
- Jerome Hughes
try multitasking - speak all right now at the same time
- #Robert Redl
Francine - become a dev
- Jerome Hughes
to a certain extent...
- Just Joe
Moe, we said hi to him at the beginning of the show.
- Robert Scoble
@francine - you have to be in the dev program
- Mark Vaske
Zing! This is hilarious.
- coldbrew
Well, I''m not a dev today, but tomorrow, who knows?
- Francine Hardaway
I can produce the show, switch shots and chat at once! well.... sort of...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yes the brain can only do one thing at a time (generally) but the brain does it much faster than a computer. The computer has to be able to multitask in order to keep up with the brain
- Eric de Oude
@francine - I doubt steve g is doing much dev stuff either, but that doesnt mean you cant get in it. Its $100
- Mark Vaske
Multitasking over rated, talking on cell phones, watch drivers
- cliveb
Where is the Android version of the ipod touch?
- coldbrew
I have a feature phone with a low cost carrier, and a ipod touch for voip at home.
- coldbrew
@ Moe hardware speakers arent meant to be awesome...
- Mark Vaske
@Robert - Exactly. External audio is better audio
- Mark Vaske
@coldbrew you are not alone;-)
- cliveb
$900 earbuds - absurd
- Ankush Narula
what's 900 bucks to a guy who turned down 500k?
- Karoli
ding!
- Ankush Narula
I had some UEs... Went back to Shure. Love Shure
- Eric de Oude
A paddleboard
- Kevin Marks
gaga, please, Noooooooooooooooo.
- Just Joe
here's a show for you Steve: http://huffduffer.com/kevinma...
- Kevin Marks
Those $900 ear-buds are more of a microspeaker.
- Nir Ben Yona
this is TV right?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My kids: Who watches TV on a television? :)
- Karoli
cliveb: Who do you use for VOIP? I pay $18/ yr for the ph number, and ~$0.008/ min (and $0.03 in expensive places)?
- coldbrew
GoogleTV's a slow go, no fresh content, need real-time channels like the New Hour
- cliveb
really good video from individuals is huge on youtube
- Kevin Marks
did you see the Portal mini-movie?
- Kevin Marks
Apple Closing NYC Retail Stores Ahead of Hurricane Irene - Mac Rumors http://bit.ly/r93aAJ
- Ankush Narula
will Apples privacy issues get better or worse?
- #Robert Redl
Whats next? It's a big black cube-shaped computer that the web was invented on. But that's not important right now.
- Kevin Marks
until news streams live (like Al Jazeera), I'll still have a television
- Karoli
This is my first full Gillmor Gang. Extremely interactive with a Friend Feed comments and video. A great example of how TV changing
- Eric de Oude
I get streaming MSNBC on JustinTV, Karoli
- Francine Hardaway
I went to my housmates side of the house the other night after I drank a 12-pack, then I kicked the TV of the counter. :-)
- coldbrew
Woops.
- coldbrew
weird, Francine...I've tried a couple of times and can't get it for any length of time
- Karoli
nice to bring GoogleTV and G+ together
- cliveb
steve jobs took the mammal approach to hollywood too
- Kevin Marks
There are two sources. They don't stream LockUp
- Francine Hardaway
@robert - does twitter integration stretch farther into tv as it has on iOS and Mac?
- Mark Vaske
gah, gapping
- Kevin Marks
I don't see Apple doing a TV. I see them doing a box that is a lot better than the last box
- Eric de Oude
URL for the Portal Mini-movie? Went to ShowYou and found a zillion portal videos
- Francine Hardaway
Marks: Not sure what you mean by gapping, but stream was fluid here.
- coldbrew
bingo, doc.
- Karoli
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4drucg1A6Xk
- Kevin Marks
thx
- Francine Hardaway
feck, I'm switching back to old skype, as I can only hear you now
- Kevin Marks
Doc is nailing it
- Ankush Narula
iPad TV is personal tv
- Mark Vaske
If only mythTV was easy to deal with (CLI mandatory).
- coldbrew
kevin is gone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Doc always nails it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
called back, but now I can see and not hear. bugger
- Kevin Marks
Apple today removed tv rentals? Streaming?
- Mark Vaske
ok back
- Kevin Marks
send video Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
sports, meh
- Kevin Marks
bueno
- Tina Chase Gillmor
though I suppose that works wiht twitter
- Kevin Marks
They need to do more with the Time Capsule. Probably hurt RAX, though.
- coldbrew
Most streamers are much better than the Apple TV. Check out the new Xtreamer Prodigy http://bit.ly/9DTN38
- Nir Ben Yona
"Disapora runs on Time Capsule" would be cool.
- coldbrew
PadFone
- Ankush Narula
Did Steve resign as pitchman for sure?
- Mark Vaske
It's the shiniest thing I've ever seen!!!!!!
- coldbrew
6x! just for Hardawy :-)
- coldbrew
they're all the same size in radians
- Kevin Marks
i've had several streaming devices but the Apple TV device is by far the one that works the best for me.
- Karoli
we will watch TV not with the people on the same couch, but via a "hangout"
- #Robert Redl
Did you see TIVO's earnings? I'll be brief_> awesome. They will be acquired
- coldbrew
Robert: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: nope. Got a URL?
- Robert Scoble
Ignore yesterday.
- Just Joe
Did you see AAPL today? http://www.google.com/finance...
- Ankush Narula
"ghosting" like they do on twitter
- #Robert Redl
Ignore will let you cull your incoming feed
- Christian Burns
Louis Gray might have been the one to push for the ignore.
- Just Joe
they've been testing the ignore button on people who have odd names like violet blue
- Kevin Marks
"Ignore" is the wrong terminology - they should have made it "Mute" or "Silence"
- Ankush Narula
Scoble: seekingalpha.com/transcripts/for/TIVO
- coldbrew
mute a post, ignore a person
- Christian Burns
you're great Steve
- Christian Burns
Googe's siphoning off Microsoft's best.
- cliveb
Cheers!
- Nir Ben Yona
getting more playing the game instead of just watching it
- Jerome Hughes
this has been a really good show
- Dale Lature
Sorry I only caught the end of this, stuck in Honolulu airport. Mahalo, Aloha over and out :) Will have to watch the recording...sounds like it was great.
- Charlie Isaacs
excellent Gang. Glad I caught it live
- Tom Guarriello
Ankush: yeah, AAPL is cheap at 11 times earnings.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still vibrating (idea wise, and writing things down) as I listen to this
- Dale Lature
Great Gang guys, keep listening to the future.
- Denise Howell
Steve, JP will be on?
- cliveb
Great show. so nice to be able to view it in real time. :)
- Karoli
Thanks! Cya all next time.
- Nir Ben Yona
Thanks! Informative, and thought provoking.
- Eric de Oude
Great show
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
the sing u stuff is great
- Kevin Marks
thanks everyone....you're all really great and I smiled a few times.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
First time sitting down to listen/watch this & really enjoyed it.
- Ian Murphy
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Waiting for the famous call. I hear John Borthwick (a Venture Capitalist from UK) will be on the call today along with most of the usual suspects.
- Robert Scoble
ok then.
- Aron Michalski
:-) Of course we're also testing out the new Skype, which is causing problems.
- Robert Scoble
stand by
- Steve Gillmor
Hey Aron, Robert. Getting a rare chance to listen live.
- Amyloo
hi there. been a while!
- Aron Michalski
Hey everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Aron. Hope your weekend is treating you well.
- Nir Ben Yona
Aron, yup, not everybody has wild-ass jobs like you! Most are more regular and mundane. Hi Nir.
- Amyloo
Hi Amyloo ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
ah, I'm kinda rocking out to spotify ... guess I'll turn that down now.
- Laura Norvig
amazing that spottily isn't available in Canada, but not surprised either
- Michael Roberts
hi, all!
- Jerome Hughes
hey j
- Amyloo
hi a - it's good to be half back
- Jerome Hughes
A half back? Like a tail back?
- Aron Michalski
yes, but at the laundry
- Jerome Hughes
like adding yourself into a list vs. leaving yourself out, provides frame of reference of flow in time
- Jerome Hughes
Is this interesting for those who get about 5 responses a week on Twitter?
- Aron Michalski
Scoble, you see the profile icons in Google Chrome 15?
- Vezquex
It's nice to know when someone is following you.. other clients do this..
- Kevin Costain
if you follow those who interact
- Jerome Hughes
I wonder...
- Aron Michalski
I guess I'm gonna go out and work on tweeting something worth responding to...
- Aron Michalski
gesture bleed from service to service, have been seeing some such things on #FB for a long time "x and x are now friends" though possibly more privately
- Jerome Hughes
Showyou is interesting...
- Aron Michalski
Showyou really rocks!
- Nir Ben Yona
will make thumbnail more important
- Jerome Hughes
sorry JohnTaschek -I dont know why I lost #4 but I did and cant fix the problem
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gotta figure out where that scrape occurs...
- Aron Michalski
Tina -- I think xfinity was jealous of my 4G speeds and something was lost. I'll be lurking here on FF.
- John Taschek
BBM; Anarchy in the UK song in new ad...
- Aron Michalski
False. Teens love the apps, which you can only get on iOS or Android.
- Vezquex
It's all about control, no?
- Kevin Costain
BBM network is fast, realtime and avoids the cloud.
- Aron Michalski
http://action.openrightsgroup.org/ea-acti... petition against twitter blocking
- Kevin Marks
For many years it was the absolute best way to communicate in realtime internationally without additional charges.
- Aron Michalski
So crazy to be frightened of the medium. Was it Doc Searls who talked about the silliness of considering monetizing your front porch? Same thing. Blame the front porch if someone is conspiring on it.
- Amyloo
they will create chaos here if they cut communications off when they think they should. what?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
An API for Google Maps that shows zombies where the riots are occurring?
- Aron Michalski
is Blackberry going to further lose business users by association with rioters?
- Kevin Marks
iPod Touch for Christmas.
- Vezquex
Have fun, missing the gang, have company over today.
- Christian Burns
from Android
The first thing they used to do in a coup was close the newspapers and seize the TV stations.
- Aron Michalski
The revolution will not be televised?
- Vezquex
exactly - sieze the central control
- Kevin Marks
no, but it will be streamed live!
- Laura Norvig
RIM could work the anti-establishment angle for marketshare ;-)
- Aron Michalski
But now if you close the cell network, the info is delayed and the realtime nature avoids the momentum.
- Aron Michalski
your quote information has been delayed by 20 minutes
- Jerome Hughes
so you set up cell scramblers for the mob frequency, the fuzz uses the upper freqs.
- Aron Michalski
Then, as is being mentioned, triangulate and use the cell phones as homing beacons.
- Aron Michalski
that's a scary thought, aron. we're lambs.
- Amyloo
they don't need to install chips under our skin; we're holding them to the sides of our heads.
- Aron Michalski
Burner phones and limited connectivity is the safest wat to use the service.
- Aron Michalski
our addiction is their greatest ability to track us, if they're cops, advertisers or data miners.
- Aron Michalski
We freely give our preferences and location for STICKERS. They get a bit more.
- Aron Michalski
you have to have the input to filter the output
- Jerome Hughes
Noise control is only important to those who actually listen.
- Aron Michalski
https://plus.google.com/notific... lets you filter
- Kevin Marks
I just realized Robert has been talking about filtering for years. I think he's a closet librarian.
- Laura Norvig
aaah, here's the class argument. You want to mine my data Scoble? I guess I'll have to become more popular.
- Aron Michalski
:-)
- Robert Scoble
Klout shout give points for shutting up. Our fearless leader often says that what is not said can be more important.
- Aron Michalski
Robert only cares about filtering because he has a million friends. Under 1000, who cares?
- Vezquex
Scoble is a hoarder. It's an interesting realm to be in, data hoarding but it's not for everyone. Or for that matter, most any individual other than Scoble.
- Aron Michalski
surely K counts babbling against you, etc.
- Jerome Hughes
not you specifically, Aron :D
- Jerome Hughes
He doesn't have access to my stream, as he stated a while back that he doesn't care. He lost my vote and access to my data.
- Aron Michalski
I don't look at his either. One less filter needed.
- Aron Michalski
Trying to decipher what Steve just said about Google Search and Twitter.
- Darren
More people does not equal more interesting!!!
- Aron Michalski
More interesting people equals more engagement.
- Aron Michalski
if you built NYC from scratch it would be like Brasilia
- Kevin Marks
If you built NYC from scratch again it would suck and not be NYC.
- Aron Michalski
Twitter hasn't evolved organically in over 2 years. If they were, they wouldn't have moved against the developer community that made them such a success story.
- Darren
+1 Darren
- Aron Michalski
+2 Darren
- Nir Ben Yona
Jack on, Jack off.
- Aron Michalski
and now that they have a reason to... let a few drops out of the pipeline
- Jerome Hughes
HE SAID "TRACK!" Take a drink.
- Vezquex
Anytime he says Track I inject a cocktail of valarian root and Cymbalta into my neck.
- Aron Michalski
…, Synthesize, Harmonize… http://www.pbs.org/idealab...
- Jerome Hughes
shock absorber
- Jerome Hughes
2 words: Games + Hangouts
- Darren
Hence the hoods.
- Aron Michalski
with enough funding
- Jerome Hughes
Imagine; parenting.
- Aron Michalski
yup. Ever look at your Picasa account and its facial stuff?
- Aron Michalski
ding ding ding
- Darren
G+
- Darren
John T... can you hop on now?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
or a basket gets woven
- Jerome Hughes
aaaaaaand the instant upload. Before you know they have it, they have it.
- Aron Michalski
Scoble, it's less about owning your own data and more about being able to personalize your experience.
- Darren
No chance for Heello unless they manage to penetrate the Chinese market or so.
- Nir Ben Yona
Putting back on my decoder ring.
- Darren
Flipboard: The full page ads included in the articles...
- Aron Michalski
which is little compared to its relations to other such items and their originators / consumers
- Jerome Hughes
that's Dave Winer
- Kevin Marks
send back a dm advising to reset password, most respond apologizing
- Jerome Hughes
DM? From people you don't know? Hmmm.
- Aron Michalski
drop your applications and change your password it should go away - some are from those you "sort of" know
- Jerome Hughes
well, scoble follows a lto fo people he doesn't know
- Kevin Marks
No different than any message on Facebook "I can't believe I can see who's looking at my profile".
- Darren
it's from people you follow
- Kevin Marks
"Did you really say this about me? one of your followers sent me this"
- Jerome Hughes
"One of my followers is saying really bad things about you heres the profile"
- Jerome Hughes
I guess it's a disadvantage to those with tens of thousands of people in their circle.
- Aron Michalski
Steve, they've provided 80% of what they're offering in the streaming APIs for the last 2 years.
- Darren
or 5k they manage - interesting how many turn out to be actual and hoodwinked instead of calculating
- Jerome Hughes
oh the irony.
- Aron Michalski
should say "Spending" event.
- Aron Michalski
or optimization, finding what matters
- Jerome Hughes
kind of like using a firehose as a Waterpik.
- Aron Michalski
parts per million -> trillion
- Jerome Hughes
I'm thinking about joining a photo sharing service where I only follow VCs who share food photos. Imagine what I could learn then!
- Aron Michalski
if there were another service's flow, perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
I want photos of rich people's food...
- Aron Michalski
smell-o-vision
- Jerome Hughes
...with a filter for brussel sprouts.
- Aron Michalski
I'll never miss a rare steak again...
- Aron Michalski
that was one thing I did this week, I patched nanoTweeter so it worked agin
- Kevin Marks
"I don't care about that". Yup, social is the wrong word for some people.
- Aron Michalski
Try talking to one person about one thing that actually matters.
- Aron Michalski
valuable workarounds
- Jerome Hughes
I just realized how utterly and completely fraught with jargon these weekly talks are. I live in two worlds. Most of my friends would be sure this is a different language.
- Laura Norvig
when is the google plus api coming?
- Michael Roberts
Thanks Kevin.
- Aron Michalski
they didn't say yet
- Kevin Marks
Thanks. Cya next time!
- Nir Ben Yona
thanks Tina, thanks everyone!
- Aron Michalski
great show!
- Michael Roberts
thanks, all
- Jerome Hughes
thanks to everyone. can't say enough how much we love and enjoy the chat and how much it adds to the show.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
be neat to have a post-Gillmor Gang - google plus hangout
- Michael Roberts
I'm glad to bring the bitterness and hold the brussel sprouts.
- Aron Michalski
anyone is free to create a hangout -
- Tina Chase Gillmor
this is the one hour a week I'm allowed to slack off...back to the grindstone...
- Aron Michalski
BTW Tina, they pushed us back to Wednesday next week. But' I should be there until Sept 10th or so.
- Aron Michalski
looking forward to it Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe - I never left. I think the conversation left me -- but it was in great hands with the Danny and Robert discussion.
- John Taschek
31.898656, 34.80516
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Somewhere in Israel?
- Morton Fox
Haha! That's true.
- Nir Ben Yona
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starting in 10 minutes
- Steve Gillmor
slight delay but things are looking good here in the studio
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am so patient.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine is that a mantra or are you tempting fate?
- Aron Michalski
Hi everybody:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Mantra of course.
- Francine Hardaway
hi, saw a snippet of Andrew Keen early there, guess he'll be one of the guests
- Jerome Hughes
Hey, see what the comment list just did? Can we get G+ to learn that trick?
- Aron Michalski
Sorry, I'm the holdup. On now. Starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Is Andrew even on +? I looked for him and couldn't find him
- Francine Hardaway
sure G+ will learn a bunch more "new" tricks pretty quickly
- Jerome Hughes
Sweeeeeeeeet!
- Francine Hardaway
Andrew, do you belong to + yet?
- Francine Hardaway
Andrew Keen is the last one not on Google+. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi everyone.
- Nir Ben Yona
Andrew's interview with the G+ folks was great!
- Alex de Soto
Why???
- Francine Hardaway
I enjoyed it.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoyed it, too. I meant why wasn't Andrew on +
- Francine Hardaway
Social backbone articel: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
can someone shoot a link to the Keen/G+ interview?
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Kevin.
- Aron Michalski
Gray, the studio cat, reset some audio setting before the show and now is crying outside wanting to come in a mess up some other stuff
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Let him/her in! --animal rights activist
- Francine Hardaway
that's Steve's Beatle coffe mug
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am getting about 100 and know 1
- Francine Hardaway
What is the word on g+ for Apps accts? Nobody I know cares abt anything else. Just internal Collab.
- coldbrew
3 and 0
- Aron Michalski
I want the ones that don't just say "I agree"
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble's family blocked him too?
- Kevin Marks
my thought as well...noise,noise, noise.
- Aron Michalski
+Kevin Marks of course. They were first
- Francine Hardaway
noisy people, then the people who follow them
- Kevin Marks
Haven't we all been through this before as we organized this very site I'm typing info into?
- coldbrew
then, the people I follow who comment on the floods, making te show up in my notifications
- Kevin Marks
The collapsing comments would help along with Micah's chrome plug in.
- Aron Michalski
yes, coldbrew. Or indeed in blog comments before that
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: no, my family doesn't get to see every post. Only some of them.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Facebook algorithmically filters out a LOT of posts.
- Robert Scoble
G+ could learn a great deal from watching an active swarm on FF, circa 2 years ago.
- Aron Michalski
a billion shares a day!
- Kenny
How about when the original poster +1/Likes a comment, it bubbles up to the top - seems like a moderated approach
- Ankush Narula
Current numbers are irrelevant.
- coldbrew
It's a marathon, not a sprint.
- coldbrew
agreed coldbrew
- Kenny
you don't see all the posts on twitter, that's the point.
- Kevin Marks
The simple fact is, G+ is also much easier (than FriendFeed) for the average user to digest.
- Darren
I joined in Jan 2007
- Francine Hardaway
Google is probably just happy they are not seeing a Wave/Buzz response, getting something more viral.
- Aron Michalski
ah hang on, try this link for Keen's interview: http://techcrunch.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Friendfeed, Twitter and Facebook were training grounds for social media interactions. Made it easy to adopt G+ and whatever comes next.
- Alex de Soto
Oslo on G+ was more visceral and compelling.
- Aron Michalski
i think Quora has it right
- Ankush Narula
G+ is Facebook but for people you're interested in. Unlike Twitter,engagement is confined to comments and likes which means the stream itself is less polluted and easier to find topics/information to converse around.
- Darren
Ales -I was feeling the same about the acceptance of plus. we're already well educated in Social
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Alex, good point. Perhaps we were just being taught to navigate the stream and learn some manners.
- Aron Michalski
it's twiiter+facebook+Friendfeed
- Kenny
Ales=Alex
- Tina Chase Gillmor
mmm, Ale
- Kevin Marks
Where is the startup that allows you to import your g+ data?
- coldbrew
It's Twitter spliced with Facebook.
- Darren
I can follow/see public folks like Robert, Kevin Marks, etc but I also follow/see my family/friends (if they ever join) - I get to chose!
- Kenny
On my way to get some....ale that is. I'll catch the recording later.
- Alex de Soto
We need an API first?
- coldbrew
I have 50 lists on Facebook
- Ankush Narula
Marks: It's pilsner for me today. Too hot.
- coldbrew
Oslo - G+ limitation is that you can't post images/video as comment to a post
- Doug
Hangouts + Gaming is going to revolutionize things.
- Darren
Steve says my chair is too noisy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert might need to move to the other end of the counter...
- Aron Michalski
So if G+ adds crowdsourced topic tagging (like Quora) maybe the content becomes much more relevant and interesting
- Ankush Narula
Naive, Robert. VCs don't talk much about their deals publicly, and they also have lives:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Sorry what?
- Darren
2 things G+ needs to add/fix quickly before people get annoyed and move on: 1) only show the last 5 replies, minimizes the rest(user can expand all replies if they want), 2) stop pushing posts to the top when there is a new reply or at least make it an option
- Kenny
what to who, Darren?
- Kevin Marks
I have a Chrome extension that collapsed old posts
- Francine Hardaway
Kenny +1
- Ankush Narula
- Francine Hardaway -something like that should that should be built in
- Kenny
Kevin, in reference to Steve and his "authoritative stream" comment.
- Darren
I'd be interested in this crew's thoughts on the 'anonymous' kids wreaking havoc. Any Interest in sharing those?
- coldbrew
Kevin - the people who make all this noise are the Scobles, you, etc of the world, those people get put into a certain circle and I look at it when I want - I switch between stream types to see different info
- Kenny
Seems like Techmeme has slowed it's crawling down considerably.
- coldbrew
Kenny, sounds like you get some utility out of lists (or in this case circles) as also happens here
- Jerome Hughes
I need to confess...I'm having a Corona with lime right now. The weekend begins
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I forgive you Tina
- Francine Hardaway
I agree with Scoble. If your goal is good information, why build a graph based on people instead of interests?
- Darren
thank you Francine. That means the world to me ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jerome, yes. I just need G+ to allow me to watch select several stream at once, instead of one at a time, for example let me check off and watch my friends and family streams and not see the others until I want ot
- Kenny
Darren: The info eventually comes from people, so one has to trust the sources or the info is irrelevant.
- coldbrew
Kenny, until you can mix them, do you run multiple tabs for your faves?
- Jerome Hughes
people are a good locus of information; twitter allows non-human authorities to speak too
- Kevin Marks
Winer seems to be a bit off lately.
- coldbrew
and semi-human, too!
- Jerome Hughes
I would argue more human, but there ya go.
- coldbrew
Jerome, no I just switch between them - kind of a pain right now
- Kenny
On G+, I think I've added about 100 people who have made a good comment - it's as simple as mousing over and adding them to the Following circle (and I've removed people just as quickly for too many crappy posts)
- Ankush Narula
You can add G+ search in Chrome, and i hear of extensions too
- Majento
"If winer didnt built it himself, it sucks" - that's what I'm getting.
- coldbrew
Kevin, That would be a clear circle for me in a folder/list/Flipboard sense with the newsbots in a circle and the respected commenters in another.
- Aron Michalski
coldbrew, the algorithm can leverage people for prioritization, reputation and ranking of the information.
- Darren
I gotcha say Gilmor seems more positive about G+ then any other Google product...I'm shocked
- Kenny
any comments on the gaming announcement?
- Aron Michalski
coldbrew: I think Winer gets frustrated with closed and centralized solutions - it just so happens that most of the popular services of the day are just that
- Ankush Narula
there was a gaming announcement? I thought it was just rumor?
- Kenny
It's a much better product than the last 5 they have presented, even if they are kinda parts of G+
- Aron Michalski
Darren: I suppose. But, I'm one of those people that doesn't like the algorithm, nor data mining. Personal preference, of course.
- coldbrew
Kenny... since gMail, perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
that's also part of what kicks off that article citation links, those "entity" accounts ~ "personas"
- Jerome Hughes
Because Google screwed up
- Ankush Narula
he now has two accounts with the ame name, right?
- Kenny
I'm with Gillmor on this one. I'll say no more
- coldbrew
yep
- Ankush Narula
@violetblue on G+ http://t.co/pUDi0mA (face up internet full of socializing sexual humans).
- cliveb
@mashable on twitter is Pete Cashmore's account
- Kevin Marks
as is @petecashmore
- Kevin Marks
Hrm. Is this a little bias I'm sensing now?
- Darren
The problem for businesses is authenticity and brand infringement - Google needs to create certified accounts
- Ankush Narula
Darren? how so?
- Robert Scoble
Maybe not an announcement... https://plus.google.com/1100125...
- Aron Michalski
#FB eventually intro'ed fan pages for this
- Jerome Hughes
http://venturebeat.com/2011... Club Penguin in their sights
- Kevin Marks
Scobilzer is the internet!
- cliveb
Are they insisting on us regurgitating info or us morphing into a brand with our name?
- Aron Michalski
I'm confused ;)
- Kenny
it's a word now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Facebook == Mark Zuckerberg?
- Ankush Narula
individuals interact with other individuals and with institutions both
- Jerome Hughes
I sometimes think of some of you as a source , rarely a brand (Scoble maybe) but always individuals.
- Aron Michalski
is Andy Carvin NPR?
- Kevin Marks
thanks, Kevin!
- Jerome Hughes
There's no question that G+ is genius. It's completely changed my perspective of Google and their future. It's also changed how I think about their existing services.
- Darren
that's this point: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
I can't wait until it is integrated with GReader, Gmail, etc
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin: yes, Andy is NPR.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, here's Andy Carvin on Google+: https://plus.google.com/1173780...
- Robert Scoble
WOW I agree with Gilmor
- Kenny
Steve is right on
- Christian Burns
Everyone settle down now, G+ is a brand new service, they will work through these issues (sum might agree with it others won't), Twitter and Facebook all have gone through these issues and will still go through similar issue - It took years for Facebook to get to 750mil users - it will take a while for G+ to grow past these issues
- Kenny
I agree with him as well.
- Francine Hardaway
I value Kevin and Steve's pointers more than a media source, more along the lines of an advisor or spiritual guide. I'm sure that sounds daft, but because they bring their personality and brains to the equation, it adds value to the post.
- Aron Michalski
Its a bete
- Christian Burns
beta
- Christian Burns
Watch Ed Chi embedded in G+ for direction http://bit.ly/pJWl7m
- cliveb
Keen, :) no
- Christian Burns
Kevin's voice sounds particularly good today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm not sure how a public persona would not be on it (I'm not a public persona, so I am not on it).
- coldbrew
is this keen? https://plus.google.com/1145004...
- Kevin Marks
I just joined, Will there be an mp3 download rob?
- Christian Burns
this group rocks… here's a list that _might_ be useful... http://twitter.com/list...
- Jerome Hughes
Airplay
- Ankush Narula
thank me! ;)
- Kenny
ah, thank you tina.
- Kevin Marks
more so than someone who is co-opted by a corporate plan (well, Salesforce has nothing to offer me professionally other than a day of employment next month).
- Aron Michalski
thanks, Kenny!
- Jerome Hughes
I have missed the gang sooooo much
- Christian Burns
:)
- Kenny
thanks guys.
- coldbrew
Thank you. Cya next time!
- Nir Ben Yona
later all
- Kenny
ciao
- Ankush Narula
Thank you all.
- Aron Michalski
good to see you here, Christian! and thanks to all
- Jerome Hughes
This was good, thanks all
- Majento
One of these days we should do a hangout
- Christian Burns
What is your Twitter URL? What do you tweet about? Mine is http://twitter.com/koltreg... and I tweet about all sorts :-) #twitter
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Feel free to follow me. This thread could get messy. :-) #whatsyoururl
- Kol Tregaskes
Sorry I had to delete the first post of this, so apologises for the few that posted their URLs on that one.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/jcunwired I could use some more followers too. I hope you folks aren't bots! :)
- JCunwired
Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/niczak -- I tweet about the following: Programming, databases, parenting, living & enjoying life, and involvement in lots of local activities here in Northern Nevada.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Thanks, Nicholas.
- Kol Tregaskes
Well I'll still be on Twitter once FF is integrated into FB. Join me on Twitter? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/chaz2b my posts start here for what i post on twitter
- chaz2b
you rock, Kol! Good community building here.
- Valeria Maltoni
http://twitter.com/andrewroche - politics and random stuff (a lot of it from here funnily enough).
- Andrew Roche
I have most of you (didn't have Valeria for some reason, but just added), mine is http://twitter.com/jungleg -- see you on the other side ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Find me at http://twitter.com/andrued... and my news updates at http://twitter.com/gearlive
- Andru Edwards
http://www.twitter.com/jimgold... - photography and social media
- Jim Goldstein
http://twitter.com/magicofpi - you might see a lot of ff.im links there, but I suppose that'll change soon...
- Ryan - @magicofpi
http://twitter.com/jwang392 - web design, iphone app development, hawaii events
- John Wang
http://twitter.com/onWave - I post links from a useful Twitter tool I made... and sometimes mundane stuff...
- Gus
http://twitter.com/fcbosa - social media, blogging, design, inspiration.
- Oguz Serdar
Thanks guys.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/Chronotope - Mostly I tweet about tech stuff and news local to the Northern Virgina area. I also touch on video games and get some blipping in.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
http://twitter.com/gabediaz - Design, development, WordPress and all things in between.
- Gabe Diaz
http://www.twitter.com/puffadd... I tweet about ninjas lol.
- Jason
I basically tweet politics at http://Twitter.com/hopechat; i follow discussions on books, gardening and general stuff on http://Twitter.com/ruthdfw; grantwriting and freelancing on http://Twitter.com/words101 and for anything related to Dallas and surrounding cities it is http://Twitter.com/NDGEditor
- R. Ferguson
http://twitter.com/movieguyjon - I say weird shit, bitch at random times, and will say more weird shit. Occasionally I'll post fun things too, with a smidgeon of inane. :P
- Jonathan Hardesty
Pretty clever way to work in a plug for your timeline.. I like your style, Kol ;)
- Brad McCrorey
Http://Twitter.com/Polizeros cleantech, the economy, leftwing politics
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
http://twitter.com/sonergonul Feel like a star.
- ★ Soner Gönül
Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/niron (isn't it obvious?)
- Nir Ben Yona
http://twitter.com/dennis_... (don't forget the underscore) What do I tweet about? Tech, fiction, art, music, politics, comics, and of course my fiction. Occasionally some Seattle or Bremerton related stuff. I also have TwitterFeed tweet my blogs, and I always tweet from Flickr.
- Dennis Jernberg
http://twitter.com/marcoda... Twitting about Communications, Marketing and something about myself :)
- Marco Dal Pozzo [mdp]
http://twitter.com/tofu916 I tweet about black people and I use a lot of foul language. then I repent. follow mi! :)
- Tofu De la Moore
from BuddyFeed
http://twitter.com/hoof I tweet a lot in Dutch, about design, photoshop, 3d and everyday life.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
http://twitter.com/wordsfo... - I actually respond to people to want to chat with me ;-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
http://twitter.com/alexgamela i tweet about media and journalism, and sometimes silly stuff. also in portuguese.
- Alexandre Gamela
from twhirl
i post about film and television editing/post production, I'm a bit of a gadget nerd, and i like anything funny on the web. i love followers... http://twitter.com/toddzelin
- Todd Zelin
I'm sure you're all interesting but following 6,000 is my limit. ; )
- Liz
http://twitter.com/cgranier - I tweet about many things -usually tech-oriented, reply to everyone who @'s me, and have lately been posting a lot about #FreeMediaVE, bringing attention to the struggle against communism in Venezuela. Feel free to follow me. @ me for a quick follow back. No spammers please.
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
Thank you all. I hope at least some follow me back else I'll hit my follower limit soon. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/may_gun My music career, interaction with ppl, The Guild, Wiggly Wigglers.
- Spidra Webster
http://twitter.com/casschin - I mostly post up funny/odd web gems and nerdy tech news. Occasionally, I tweet what I eat.
- Cass
http://twitter.com/Felter i tweet about all, but i don't retweet my FF message. From twitter to FF only. if you follow me in FF, you can read my tweet.
- Felter Roberto
from twhirl
http://twitter.com/abrudtkuhl - web strategy & internet marketing + random stuff
- andy brudtkuhl
twitter.com/icetiger
- Kim
twitter.com/andi1984 - elearning, web 2.0
- Andreas S.
http://twitter.com/islanddog Tech, Gaming, and everything in between
- Spencer
http://twitter.com/livepaola (bilingual, in Italian and English)
- Paola Bonomo
http://twitter.com/ozuckan, trilingual, in Turkish, in English, in French, all sort...
- Ozgur Uckan
Thanks again. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/antifreeze Obviously.
- Seth Blank
Twitter.com/mathewballard and I tweet mostly about graphic and web design.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
from iPhone
http://twitter.com/PhilBaumann - I'll tweet about anything stimulating, contentious or jackassy.
- phil baumann
http://twitter.com/alejandroz and I tweet about...everything.
- Alejandro
You know, you could have just started feeding in your tweets here and achieved the same, right? Or would that have been too subtle?
- Mr. Gunn
http://twitter.com/glitterpoet Don't mean to offend but it's usually not religious. Porn, drinking,dancing, music,makeup....I still do healing work. I just don't talk about it much anymore.
- Gabrielle
My twitter stream is the typical... random thought bubbles, food porn pics, and shared items relating to technology, politics, and $$$. http://twitter.com/sean808080 is where you find me. Oh and I like unicorns and fairy dust.
- sean808080
@fossilhuntress or fossilmaitress (I kept getting my email cracked and getting locked out hence the duplicate); all content, linked to digg, delicious... mostly science, paleo and random banter...
- Fossil Huntress
http://twitter.com/joeygibson - I tweet about WDW, Java, Groovy, Scala, iPhone, politics, etc. I'm loads of fun. :-)
- Joey Gibson
http://twitter.com/burak - I tweet about technology, gadgets, stuff that matters
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
Fossil, it's @fossilhuntress http://twitter.com/fossilh... The other one doesn't exist.
- Kol Tregaskes
It's @bookhling for me. I usually tweet about DIYBio, computers, books, and what I ate for dinner. :)
- Sung W. Lim
Thanks guys.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/satanwyj 中文用户 :)
- R093r-
http://twitter.com/lachmir I tweet about dumb stuff
- Friendfeed's Francisco
Thanks everyone.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have ceased being a twitter user since they are such twats (management)
- Richard A.
http://twitter.com/erier2003 - I write about technology, journalism, and Star Wars. But mostly Star Wars. :)
- Eric Geller
http://twitter.com/sonergonul Of course ;)
- ★ Soner Gönül
Maybe this is a good time to 'reactivate' this thread. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't forget the other lists can be found at the hashtag: #whatsyoururl
- Kol Tregaskes
@ffcode
- ffcode
http://twitter.com/brexians all about #travel #photography #sci-fi #space and #weird! join and joy
- Demetrios the Traveller
http://twitter.com/wangyip - mostly stuff from FF (tech, startups, web apps, sometimes things about math, medicine, fitness) - I've followed a few here on tech stuff (Edit: Thanks Kol for the thread)
- Wang Yip
http://twitter.com/eoghann... - I post sci-fi news (tv, movies, books or comics I'm probably a fan of it), some tech stuff and the occasional round of venting.
- Eoghann Irving
I have Twitter lists now, and I've started one up for FriendFeeders: http://twitter.com/dennis_...; if you want me to add you to it, @-mention me at http://twitter.com/dennis_....
- Dennis Jernberg
Thanks everyone!
- Kol Tregaskes
Just followed you. Btw, mine's - http://twitter.com/jaypee
- JP Habaradas
http://twitter.com/DavidHolmes - Focusing on Internet music, Open Content, and the Social Web. I use lists to group/filter the people I follow.
- David Holmes
I can follow people again, cleared out a lot of users, anyone want a follow? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/1geeky - I tweet about tech and webdesign and also daily events :)
- I /-\li
http://twitter.com/niczak -- Mainly tech/web stuff but also a lot about local events, music, food and things family related.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
http://twitter.com/ajkohn - mostly search, social, marketing and ux with miscellaneous rants and observations
- AJ Kohn
http://twitter.com/Metapho... - a mix of quotes, jokes and wordplay, especially metaphors and similes.
- Dave Richardson
Bumping this as I've just done the same on Google+ here: https://plus.google.com/1044055...
- Kol Tregaskes
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Teri Temme, Kyle McNeil, cliveb and 9 other people liked this
hello, is there anybody out there ;)
- Kenny
yup
- dlature
Hi everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi
- Ankush Narula
Hi all
- Kenny
Hello, hello, hello, Is there anybody in there?
- Kevin Marks
I am standing by at Kennedy Space Center
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Very cool Robert!
- Kenny
It must of been something to see the launch in person
- Kenny
Kenny it will be cool if this call works
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
hangout?
- Kevin Marks
The launch was stunning
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Facetime!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
oh dear
- Ankush Narula
Kevin, you start one and I'll join ;)
- Kenny
maybe after the show, I want to save the bandwidth for Skype
- Kevin Marks
Robert: Hope to see the Space Center in the background without Rackspace banners ;)
- Alex de Soto
Still waiting for the call
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert: Awesome!
- Nir Ben Yona
It was easier to call the Space Station! Steve?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Has anyone seen/used the Extension that lets you see and update your facebook stream in G+?
- Kenny
Please stand by. Our countdown clock has stopped!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kenny: I haven't yet
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It actually works, which surprised me, adds a tab for FB right next to the G+ stream tab
- Kenny
Still haven't gotten the call
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kenny: I have. Like it as well.
- Denise Howell
Sorry I think I am causing more troubles than usual
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Denise: I'm going to try the Twitter extension next to see how well that works
- Kenny
At least I can text so I know something is working
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kevin are you on yet?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
nope
- Kevin Marks
Kenny, Robert: There you go: Google+Facebook extension http://bit.ly/orEmrG
- Nir Ben Yona
yup, and here's the twitter one: http://crossrider.com/install...
- Kenny
Man I pimped the heck out of this and it's not streaming. Serves me right I guess
- Jon Reed
Ok, started a hangout: https://plus.google.com/1045578...
- Denise Howell
I can join the hangout until steve calls I suppose
- Kevin Marks
Denise: I don't see it - just goes to your profile :(
- Kenny
Great question for video
- Kenny
you need to be on plus to get in the hangout
- Kevin Marks
I am :(
- Kenny
nowhere near the capacity from my reasonably fast 22mbps to do anything professional
- dlature
that's my experience after the first couple of hangout talks
- dlature
Looks like a good GG. Howdy, folks.
- coldbrew
Kevin - hang until someone dropsout if you can.I lost a machine
- Tina Chase Gillmor
ah, OK
- Kevin Marks
MS probaly bought Skype specifically b/c this deal was imminent.
- coldbrew
OK; lmk so I can turn off the stream
- Kevin Marks
G+ feels follower spammy to me
- cliveb
cliveb: I'm too much of a privacy freak to get on G+ at this point, but I'm intrigued.
- coldbrew
There is less stream competition on Google +. Robert's photo was likely on his follower's main page on G+ but not on facebook.
- Kyle McNeil
Mike - He's talking about interaction - but you know that
- Kenny
Mike, such a troll type thing...listen
- dlature
Sounds like a real measure.
- Arnie Klaus
Scoble's 'engagement' is 'cos Plus has a too-tight feedback loop, leading to like cascades
- Kevin Marks
Farber loves spam :)
- coldbrew
Has Steve G used G+?
- Kenny
Gillmor uses chatter...
- coldbrew
percent of engagement Robert metnions is interesting
- dlature
Scoble's engagement is persuasion driven attract to Rack Space
- cliveb
the friendfeed noise is the same as the plus noise
- Kevin Marks
what hapens re: noise when PLus is open to all?
- dlature
I remember sitting in AP chem in '89 and writing every ph # I knew down on a piece of paper. There were 73 phone #s I knew. Now I know 4 [sorry fr the random factoid, but those were "friends"].
- coldbrew
Arrington thinks I can be replaced by Google+ hangout...Figures ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
agreed Circles nailed categorization
- cliveb
the relative engagement in Google+ is also due to the novelty of the platform -I think in a huge way-. Scoble is a big "strange attractor" in this new channel so the tendency to comment/share is bigger now, don't you think?
- david medina
could replace your hardware with it, maybe
- Kevin Marks
medina: indeed.
- coldbrew
no yet
- Kenny
mikogo.com has free screen sharing
- Jerome Hughes
screen sharing could come via a browser extension.
- coldbrew
Wait for the G+ APIs
- coldbrew
i think Google+ will augment Twitter, tweets will be selectively filtered and pushed to Google+
- Charlie Isaacs
As a non-public persona, I disagree. Twitter should be a separate entity, where one can freely express their ideas w/o identifying info.
- coldbrew
Dan is sinking into the ground. Tip up Dan!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
one connection to a friend thismorning, One on one, Skype connection performed better than Hangout
- dlature
The deciding factor will be how much data is pushed there and "stored" there (Google+)
- Charlie Isaacs
Twitter, Google melding now makes some intuitive sense to me (post G+); didn't before.
- Denise Howell
David - I do agree, but think that the stream filtering is a major step towards keeping social media users exposed to what they are interested in. This innovation should increase the level of engagement over facebook and twitter.
- Kyle McNeil
putting the Quaint in Acquaintance...
- Kevin Marks
like they've run Blogger successfully
- Kevin Marks
How much $$$ for twitter?
- Kenny
Marks: I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. Please clarify.
- coldbrew
Kevin: ditto; guessing sarcasm. ;)
- Denise Howell
Twitter's estimated valuation to be $8 billion to $10 billion
- Abhijeet Desai
Blogger is pretty successful 60 million + active users
- Kevin Marks
Marks; Agreed. However, that was not the question. No offense :).
- coldbrew
Could Viacom pay their CEO more?
- coldbrew
where is robert going ??
- Abhijeet Desai
HAHA - now the rumor starts
- Kenny
Dan's chin is mia, still glad to see part of him
- Jerome Hughes
I think @arrington hacked @scobleizer 's voice mail and knows Rackspace rumors
- Charlie Isaacs
people want sex, drugs, rock and roll, + murder
- Charlie Isaacs
LOL
- Abhijeet Desai
mike's sounding a bit SJ > JS ish... sugar water?
- Jerome Hughes
Through the "colorado grape vine," my understanding is that Parker and Stone are taking their talents out of viacom's grasp (i.e. Viacom currently distributes South Park).
- coldbrew
Charlie Isaacs - haha!
- cliveb
at @techcrunch isn't it boring just talking about how Twitter, Facebook and Apple will dominate forever?
- Charlie Isaacs
what the hell happened to this show
- Kenny
"at @" ? Is that some convention I'm not familiar with?
- coldbrew
sorry, twitter handle
- Charlie Isaacs
My point, I suppose, was to pick a convention.
- coldbrew
What's the Arrington Aol countdown? 803 days?
- coldbrew
that's what they used to say when they found out you were from Chicago - at-@-at-@ (machine gun noises) ~ MJ changed that
- Jerome Hughes
techcrunch needs a techcrunch asia - and what's happening in the developing world
- Michael Roberts
Friendster
- Kevin Marks
gotta do that 1st!
- Jerome Hughes
difference of opinion is good!
- Jerome Hughes
Circles on Facebook happened last week http://circlehack.com
- Kevin Marks
any one gonna be on hangout now ??
- Abhijeet Desai
is AOL still in business? do I still need a 300 baud modem to connect?
- Charlie Isaacs
"plus a month"? Someone's counting something.
- coldbrew
join the hangout guys to talk tech https://talkgadget.google.com/hangout...
- Abhijeet Desai
iPad Yachting apps?
- Kevin Marks
we never see Mike Arrington out and about in Sea-at-le
- cliveb
Desai: I've never had a camera attached to my machine, but I'm sure others might appreciate that.
- coldbrew
I always get my info from floridians...
- coldbrew
HA!
- Kenny
They're allowed to convict on circumstantial evidence (I think juries get confused about that); but they do have to be convinced that it's "clear and convincing" the person did the crime.
- Denise Howell
Wow, can we please cool the ad hominems?
- coldbrew
sorry, yes "beyond a reasonable doubt;" "clear and convincing's" a lower std.
- Denise Howell
Torvalds for president ;)
- coldbrew
differences of opinion are good!
- Jerome Hughes
Oh, he caused the deficit or presdied over the derivative scandals and crime? He caused that? Geez
- dlature
Why tax me...I earned my money
- Kenny
If you make a lot of money... hire people!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
instead .001% voted themselves all the money
- Kevin Marks
thank you Shrub for all the "success" you've wrought!
- Jerome Hughes
cool NASA shots on Scobleizer's Tumblr http://scobleizer.tumblr.com/
- cliveb
it's a REPUBLIC . MIke. That means COMMUNITY. It doesn't exit for the rich to control EVEREYBODY
- dlature
I drove to the tip of Baja in April of '03 (~Iraq Invasion), sold my truck, and boated/ hitchhiked to Bolivia, and then I chickened out and came home to the US after one year of subsistence farming.
- coldbrew
and get around obstruction to set such rules
- Jerome Hughes
you got it Jerome.
- dlature
the bankers should serve as much jail time as murderers like in the Casey Anthony trial
- Charlie Isaacs
how is the US in great shape? compared to Europe? isn't 1 in 4 houses in the US. near foreclosure?
- Michael Roberts
that was supposed to be funny btw
- Charlie Isaacs
Robert what happens to Kennedy Space center - Disney East?
- cliveb
So Arrington wants more rules - that takes enforcement - that takes more government...
- mal
Mike - you should run!
- Kenny
Tina, you got them to switch sides! :D
- Jerome Hughes
mal: that's not a fair characterization.
- coldbrew
you'll pay more in Canada?
- Michael Roberts
Canada/Belgium can be economically blocked. And French people don't care to move to Belgium. I say let's tax Michael Arrington more.
- Charbax
coldbrew: why not?
- mal
I will let him answer that, before I attempt to do so.
- coldbrew
Warren Buffett: I could end the deficit in 5 minutes. http://bit.ly/oaBXOc
- cliveb
we talked about the Casey Anthony Trial and Politics. Can we talk about my root canal next?
- Charlie Isaacs
regarding taxes, if there is a tax on income that's not going to work wealthy people just reduce their income to 0...
- mal
Jerome LOL
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Charbax: Are you a US citizen? I thought you live in CA?
- coldbrew
therapy!
- Jerome Hughes
New Tricaster = G+ Hangout
- Kenny
Send a new Tricaster or we replace you with a Hangout
- Kevin Marks
any one free join the hangout https://talkgadget.google.com/hangout...
- Abhijeet Desai
Google+ Hangouts are better than a tricaster.
- Charbax
RAX trading at $45.11. Off its 52 week high of $46.49.
- coldbrew
sorry Kevin... I lost a machine as we were going on the air and couldn't get it back up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I can be the one who didn't this week
- Kevin Marks
CRM trading at $156.69. Off its 52 week high of $160.02.
- coldbrew
Machine blew Ithink
- Tina Chase Gillmor
No idea how Steve Gillmor's gonna recap this episode for Techcrunch.
- cliveb
Kyle, I was trying to get some reasons for the huge difference between the both platforms (in the Scoble post) --but in any case I totally agree with you about the filtering (and the UI overall, great execution). I think this small-but-important things will give G+ a great advantage over other platforms. Really impressive.
- david medina
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Burcu Dogan, Ross Miller, Nir Ben Yona and 11 other people liked this
Hanging out, waiting for the famous call on Skype.
- Robert Scoble
oops.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
you can mute a post, though.
- Laura Norvig
what!!!??? no Tina?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's not gillmor gang ready, but it would work for people who share and take turns ;-)
- Laura Norvig
we need a tina
- Kevin Marks
do hangouts get recorded?
- Kevin Marks
Great...now I have to worry about losing my job ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Still waiting for a Google Plus invite. Anyone got spares?
- Shafi Ahmed
The android app is pretty cool.
- Kevin Mullett
the notifications are really ... SQUIRREL
- Laura Norvig
lol @laura
- Kevin Mullett
Tina should be an inset on the video feed, interpreting the comments of the Gang with sign language or pantomime. :)
- Alex de Soto
Alex he,he
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It always seems to come down to noise control. include/exclude
- Kevin Mullett
I hate that you can only see all of the people someone is following rather than how their circles are arranged. I realize that's a privacy issue, but it means I have to build the same list of Librarians that all my other librarian peeps are building also.
- Laura Norvig
kinda quiet in here wonder where everyone could be ;)
- tylergillies
listening intently?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
And sparks are nothing more than RSS where they pick it for you. I expected some way to vote up or down the feed.
- Kevin Mullett
Your not in the right circles tyler, chats going crazy over here
- Paul E. Ester
the senders can control the noise - they can create a circle they share VC relavent stuff with. But they have to choose to share with you...
- jay morris
audio cutting out a bit for me. could just be my desktop choking under the load of having this and plus open at the same time ...
- Laura Norvig
+1, Tyler!
- Laura Norvig
18 comments on G+ and 15 likes.
- Todd Hoff
invite, please? tia!
- Jerome Hughes
i have invites...was looking for ya the other day.
- Karoli
whats up with upstream?
- tylergillies
ustream?
- tylergillies
damn safari autocomplete
- tylergillies
ah, it's not just me then.
- Laura Norvig
invites for G+ still havent opened up
- Kashif Khan
video is great here, just occasional freeze
- Paul E. Ester
sqwauk!
- Jerome Hughes
Have a friend use the "share" button to send you a message via your gmail account. That has triggered letting friends in many times.
- Kevin Mullett
when i first logged on to plus it said I had a person blocked already. I think I had flagged this person in gmail.
- Laura Norvig
is there a close comments feature on plus?
- Laura Norvig
it's the Zooey Deschanel problem http://hellogiggles.com/if-you-...
- Kevin Marks
I need Robert's Google cup. I will cut to it whenever I see it. Google, Google, I need that cute cup.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
facebook feels quite lethargic in contrast to G+ (and friendfeed for that matter)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
@Jerome I don't seem to have your email address. :(
- Karoli
google+ is friendfeed++
- tylergillies
I blame Josh Haley.
- Laura Norvig
Robert--train your VC's re: what to post.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
VC's are always posting lolcats
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
http://abhijeetdesai.blogspot.com/2011... guys c these changes i propose to google+
- Abhijeet Desai
again, the senders can choose who they are sharing with...
- jay morris
jromeh at gmail, thx Karoli! :D
- Jerome Hughes
that's your defense against noise. use the filters/circles.
- Laura Norvig
there more talk in here than on the g+ thread
- tylergillies
it's more frictionless here, tyler.
- Laura Norvig
oh had to refresh
- tylergillies
Man, this place is crowded!
- Ciro Villa
I want to be able to create a circle from my Google groups memberships.
- Karoli
but theres still more here
- tylergillies
Karoli, that totally makes sense.
- Laura Norvig
VCs have lives too, Robert.
- Laura Norvig
I disagree the upfeed didnt kill Buzz - the security scare in first 48 hours did.
- CHRIS VOSS
changes to the stream in google+ i propose have a look guys http://yfrog.com/gzhyclyj
- Abhijeet Desai
convore should be studied...good use of groups
- paisano
we should be able to add google calendar, docs and disco to google plus panel
- paisano
anyone heard about invites opening up?
- CHRIS VOSS
convore just didn't seem to catch that mass required.
- Kevin Mullett
someone suggested a toggle/sort between chronological and recently commented on. that would be cool.
- Laura Norvig
there is a way to invite people by sharing a post u make
- Abhijeet Desai
i'll be happy when people go away ;)
- tylergillies
Twitter isn't noisy because you have to go actually find the conversation, it's not presented to you.
- Todd Hoff
+1 todd
- tylergillies
Leo?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Too funny, but really if you have a problem seeing Scobles stuff dont follow, He usually has the most interesting info and after a while as more people join it
- CHRIS VOSS
how do you separate social from interest?
- Karoli
@CHRISVOSS, they have not opened up, but SOME are still making it in. http://bit.ly/j2RckM
- Kevin Mullett
Topic streams (like hashtags) would be good. Can you search "circles" by topic? Sorry, I don't have Google+
- Alex de Soto
@Kevin - ya I had like 18 new people this morning
- CHRIS VOSS
not seeing video. has the show started?
- George Herndon
@kevin I have like 24 people who still havent answered their mail. Maybe I should try just adding one email and calling a friend. Is this working for anyone else.
- CHRIS VOSS
Facebook did not kill FriendFeed; the users killed it!
- Ciro Villa
I think Facebook has helped train the masses to interact in a more Friendfeed-ish way so they *might* be ready for Plus.
- Laura Norvig
My dog photos are on lol
- CHRIS VOSS
@Chirs I was using the share button (top right) and adding their email individually.
- Kevin Mullett
@kevin - thanks and that worked? I'll try it.
- CHRIS VOSS
cat photos or photos of Louis Gray's cute kids...all the same thing lol
- paisano
plz tell me what u think of http://yfrog.com/gzhyclyj on @abhijeetdesai #googleplus
- Abhijeet Desai
yeah, just like profiles for google apps users is coming ...
- Laura Norvig
I think Scobles very right - I'm putting my family on google+ so we can do video chat for free over Skype - its also awesome for business video conferencing
- CHRIS VOSS
Scoble Vic said on TWIG that the video codec has not been selected yet and they are testing several different ones. So to say this video is best of breed could be premature.
- adolfo foronda
@LauraNorvig: Yep, I've talked about the FriendFeedization of Facebook, they got used to likes, events, link sharing (although most don't remove the URL from the publisher before posting). We must not forget that with time, users are evolving as more productive users and that they use more tools when forced into daily pageviews and such.
- Zu from AOD
can I request google plus invite here?
- Shoukat Dharani
Kids are going to LOVE the video component of Plus
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Seems like Tindychat, but better resolution, with people you know.
- Kevin Mullett
++Tina
- Zu from AOD
Tina, that is so true!
- Laura Norvig
@shoukout I need your gmail account for that
- Kevin Mullett
google+ hangout + kinect
- tylergillies
Vic also announced on TWIG that they would support Apple
- adolfo foronda
Thanks Kevin!
- Alex de Soto
yeah steve is just critical of everything
- tylergillies
Hangout seems like it will be an awesome work tool.
- Laura Norvig
will hangout kill the tricaster?
- Paul E. Ester
WHY are we hearing the gentlemens comments who HASNT tried Google+ As respectfully as I can say it, it seems hes left making up talking points without the information of experience.
- CHRIS VOSS
And he keeps dominating.
- CHRIS VOSS
I don't think Bradley's current hangout is public, I don't see it in his stream.
- Laura Norvig
@ALex, you're welcome.
- Kevin Mullett
++TylerGillies Hangout & a Kinect hack would rule, just have to find some good use of the tech.
- Zu from AOD
Hey Voss... it is The GILLMOR Gang ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
LOL
- tylergillies
@Scobleizer, liked your post re Google+ and grandmothers
- JP Rangaswami
@Tina my first time, lol is this normal? lol
- CHRIS VOSS
JP!
- tylergillies
LOL @Tina flashing Steve's name on screen!
- Laura Norvig
Buzz exists for feed importing, I don't see why it would be forced into + as it helps people focus on manual sharing/writing. Information overload fixed temporarily.
- Zu from AOD
Conversations start from inputs that often come from other feeds. Those need to be imported.
- Todd Hoff
my friendfeed was left for dead and used only for aggregation.
- Kevin Mullett
Pretty much Voss. You'll getit after a few times
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i am facing problem with the stream . anyone elase ??
- Abhijeet Desai
@tyler yes?
- JP Rangaswami
@Todd it depends. Since I spend so much time on Friendfeed, I enjoy seeing aggregated stuff, even from people who no longer converse there. Plus has to decide what it is, what it is for. Can't have cake and eat it too.
- Laura Norvig
Voss there are archives, including audio only daze.
- Jerome Hughes
JP i met you at defrag, i work with marshallk at rww
- tylergillies
So make two cakes Laura? :-)
- Todd Hoff
stream is a little weird today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If have a feed stream I would like to have an easy way to move to the conversational stream. I can do it by hand but it's often too much work.
- Todd Hoff
Maybe when developers get a hold of APIs there will be some killer client overlay thingy. So I can see ONE of what someone posted in multiple places but ALL of the conversations on ALL of the platforms. I wish.
- Laura Norvig
dont we all communicate toall top brands on twitter & not email ???
- Abhijeet Desai
Email is like a call control setup. It's starts the conversation between unknown parties. Try contacting you don't know without email. It's nearly impossible. After you connect then you skype, chat, or whatever.
- Todd Hoff
Abhijeet: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Messages to a known address that I control and can use cross platform? No that is not going away.
- Kevin Mullett
All subscription systems needs an email. Maybe not for discussion between friends, but businesses are using it a lot, sometimes just so they don't use a public email system and have internal discussions. Could be done in a 'corporate social network', but I don't see that soon.
- Zu from AOD
Its was a pleasure to hang out with you all - see you on google+
- CHRIS VOSS
\o, CVOSS
- Zu from AOD
so ya email usage is reducing . but dont know if it will go away . may be it will become like post is 2day
- Abhijeet Desai
Fun to see the small packets of impressions at 3 degrees of separation.
- Zu from AOD
https://plus.google.com/1153519... says 5000 limit
- Kevin Marks
Userscripts for power users? Else, maybe just a text-mode feed would cut it (as the Photos section which strips down the text).
- Zu from AOD
Also liked the "is this really Tom from MySpace" conversation last night https://plus.google.com/u...
- Kevin Marks
Right now +1s from the web are on a separate tab, don't go directly to the main feed.
- Laura Norvig
I don't know why they didn't build in a cadmus, summify, my6sense type system. Heck I would like a collapse button.
- Kevin Mullett
@Kevin, that was golden. "Tom, I think you're my friend on MySpace!"
- Laura Norvig
In other news...Facebook is experiencing technical difficulties...
- Ciro Villa
Collapse all would be cool.
- Laura Norvig
Multiple shares would have to be stringed together like on FB. "4 of your friends shared this"
- Zu from AOD
give me that cup!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
was there a conversation about today's gillmor gang on Plus? I can't find it. When I go to Steve's stream I see nothing.
- Laura Norvig
ice burn!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
the Wired article was pretty intense. A do or die proposition.
- Laura Norvig
Takeout.
- Laura Norvig
Just Scoble for now http://goo.gl/pOqx1
- Zu from AOD
thx, Zu.
- Laura Norvig
lol @ Google Freakout 9)
- Zu from AOD
there were several, laura. One in robert's stream, one in mine, one in johns. No hashtags, you see
- Kevin Marks
my head hurts. thx, Kevin.
- Laura Norvig
Twitter is absolutely tempting fate by messing with the API
- Kevin Mullett
Hey guys, joining in a bit late!
- Nir Ben Yona
Don't see any public posts KMarks, must be why I haven't seen it from you. // Hey Nir!
- Zu from AOD
woo FF... Steve sees FF in plus just like we do.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Ah, yeah, you most have posted to circles, not public, Kevin.
- Laura Norvig
Hey Zu :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Now how weird is it for Bret Taylor to have gone from google to FF to Facebook and now see this FFey google product come out to indirectly challenge Facebook?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I like that, the revenge of FF.
- Bluesun 2600
werd, Daniel!
- Laura Norvig
@Daniel lol, that surely is, what goes around comes in circles..
- Zu from AOD
Thanks for joining us! Now back to G+!
- Robert Scoble
so, who wants to try hangout?
- Kevin Marks
Nice show. Thanks for joining a bit early this time! People in the chat... you are awesome!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gillmor Gang hangout party :)
- Nir Ben Yona
watched the recorded version many times live one is awesome
- Abhijeet Desai
I'd like to try it with my iPhone as a remote webcam for my PC, just have to set some things before.
- Zu from AOD
i mean Gilmore gang
- Abhijeet Desai
That's Gillmor... 2 "Ls" no "E"
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks for helping me understand this new toy...good to see y'all again.
- Karoli
sorry I was so chatty today. stayed up LATE plussing last night!
- Laura Norvig
please don't apologize for being chatty. Glad you were here!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hmm... still no invites coming through... perhaps G's way of saying "get to work!" :D
- Jerome Hughes
I'm not at my computer now but when i'm done painting this godforsaken furniture I'll try sharing something with you...see if that works.
- Karoli
thanks again, Karoli!
- Jerome Hughes
hmmm. I can't figure out how the heck to share with one person who isn't on this thing...still some interface issues for them to iron out.
- Karoli
Just got the X-mini Capsule speaker for iPhone 4 (or laptops, psp, mp3 players etc.). Such a cool device http://www.markstechnologynews.com/2011...
How does it sound?
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
Amazingly good and VERY loud to its size.
- Nir Ben Yona
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who's on today?
- dlature
Hmmm, dunno
- Stephen Pickering
I am. A few more minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Hanging out in Gillmor's kitchen.
- Robert Scoble
Visited two companies this morning, Spigit and Path.
- Robert Scoble
Ah yeah saw your 360 of Path offices very cool
- Stephen Pickering
Having dinner with the Gilmor Gang. Howdy!
- Nir Ben Yona
Dinner? Lunch!
- Robert Scoble
Oh, you in Israel?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Israel, you know :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Howdy! I want to come back, had one of the best meals of my life in Tel Aviv.
- Robert Scoble
Nir Ben, what do you do there?
- Stephen Pickering
The entire tech community is waiting for you, Robert.
- Nir Ben Yona
I am too.
- Kevin Marks
Just blipped "It's the End of the World as We Know it"
- Stephen Pickering
Heh. I'm going to Maker Faire on Sunday and Stanford on Saturday.
- Robert Scoble
Stepen, i'm working in a Tel Aviv startup that develops a cloud security solution.
- Nir Ben Yona
This was something just tweeted to me by someone that I think is a very cool gesture by a ballplayer for one of his fans via Twitter http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb...
- dlature
Hi all.
- Aron Michalski
Ah, cool, Nir Ben. I'm invested in a company called EZchip (EZCH) that's located in Israel. So much great tech in Israel
- Stephen Pickering
One thought: hell for me is hanging out forever with people who believe in crap like the rapture. So, who is going to heaven?
- Robert Scoble
Stephen, true. The startup scene in Tel Aviv area is HOT at the moment.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, you've been eating in Abraxas North.
- Nir Ben Yona
hot as always :)
- Naor Mark
Robert, I grew up with a lot of that...not my parents, but lots of church people ...bemuses me
- dlature
Ironic, wearing my Ramat Gan Stadium T-Shirt today...
- Aron Michalski
LinkedIn IPO? CRM earnings? Crazy stuff...
- coldbrew
and when i'll be able to watch the G.Gang on my iphone?
- Naor Mark
The Russian "Facebook" is gonna IPO on the NASDAQ
- Stephen Pickering
You can watch via the ustream app, no?
- coldbrew
Nir: yeah, Abraxas North is where I had the best meal.
- Robert Scoble
Vkontakte? well, Renren did
- Kevin Marks
nope.. "this content is not available for your device"
- Naor Mark
Naor: we're working on it!
- Robert Scoble
I can't remember the name. Saw it on CNBC. They said it's already subscribed to a market cap of 1 billion
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: Who's underwriting?
- coldbrew
The radius is expanded to 100 yards!
- Stephen Pickering
Coldbrew Dang, can't remember
- Stephen Pickering
I think Ustream sucks.
- Robert Scoble
I wish YouTube would give us live.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: what's better?
- coldbrew
Is Justin any better as far as the iPad is concerned?
- Stephen Pickering
great, it's 11pm here, will be much better then sitting near m mac
- Naor Mark
Stephen: I don't think so.
- Robert Scoble
ask Colleen nicely
- Kevin Marks
LNKD latest $93.09, Mkt Cap 8.80B
- Dave Martin
Benioff is a master on the earnings calls. The way he handles the analysts is a lesson of itself. Check out the Q&A transcript: http://seekingalpha.com/article...
- coldbrew
Robert: I emailed you early this week but I guess you were way too busy with your schedule.
- Nir Ben Yona
How much are LNKD's revs?
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: I think $400M revs, $15M profit.
- coldbrew
Hi Naor :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir, Sorry, I'm booked up until August.
- Robert Scoble
Public really helps a LinkedIn because of the publicity
- Stephen Pickering
Hi :) didn't know about the startup .. good luck
- Naor Mark
Thinking of them as exits does not respect the users, let alone potential users.
- Aron Michalski
My mom called me yesterday saying she signed up for linkedin! and she's 70! all because I think the publicity of the IPO
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: depends on float size of FB
- Dave Martin
Robert, it's ok we're in contact with Lew Moorman.
- Nir Ben Yona
Pickering: LNKD's revenue is primarily from corporate recruiting budgets, not end users or advertising.
- coldbrew
valuation is too high, they'll have to work hard to keep their value during next Q's
- Naor Mark
Going pubic or being bought out shouldn't mean the Friendfeeding of a service; It should be the boost to the next level, not the buying of a boat for someone who doesn't care about you.
- Aron Michalski
Ah, IC, still it gives them exposure that Facebook really doesn't need
- Stephen Pickering
Groupon 2011 revenues said to be pacing at 3-4B, 70% operatng margins
- Dave Martin
Coldbrew is right. LNKD has a good mix of revenue sources from corporate including biz subscriptions and advertising.
- Alex de Soto
not just the bottles - taking water from one area and moving it elsewhere - big problem with Nestle and Michigan
- Xenophrenia
Groupon debuted their location-based mobile product this week. Groupon Now! Beta live in Chicago
- Dave Martin
That's it, I'm buying Sodastream which is an Israeli company also :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Pandora is also on the block.
- coldbrew
Rovio going public?
- Kevin Marks
right, Xeno... it's the oil burned to transport water in trucks instead of through pipes
- Jerome Hughes
Stephen : the business of bubbles :)
- Naor Mark
It's a lot of issues ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Naor hahahahhahaha, saves the environment too! heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
And I missed you here at Spigit, Robert - dang. Looks like you had a good visit with Paul.
- Hutch Carpenter
it's not just the trucks - it's literally taking the water from Lake Michigan and transporting it elsewhere
- Xenophrenia
8 lbs per gallon
- Jerome Hughes
That's crazy. The Government is telling Google how to run their search engine? Crazy.
- Stephen Pickering
There's a website - there's a problem in California too - http://stopnestlewaters.org/about ... okay .. I'll stop now ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Is Playboy a magazine?
- Alex de Soto
and people who read
- dlature
playboy could do good "up fronts"...sorry
- dlature
What's up with the 2 week delay on The Killing for On Demand?
- Aron Michalski
South Park looks like it's in its last season and the creators may go on to do something direct to the web (that's all I know about TV shows :).
- coldbrew
I'm trying to stay out of the shot and having
- Tina Chase Gillmor
limited success
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, you should wave to your friends. Unprofessional but personal... ;-)
- Aron Michalski
HBO GO is going to let subscribers watch some episodes in advance of "broadcast."
- Alex de Soto
Please let it be Larry David!
- Stephen Pickering
i'll try to sneak a wave in Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thing I hate about GO idea isyou have to be HBO subscriber. I want to buy certain shows (like "Real Time" and not much else)
- dlature
It's like Paul Simon letting that girl play his guitar...
- Aron Michalski
So, some BD, rather than just job search?
- coldbrew
Stephen: Game of Thrones
- Alex de Soto
I want HBO to allow subscriptions without requiring cable - I have cable internet - should be enough ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia - exactly
- dlature
Hypothetically, what if you gave a friend your HBO/Dish credentials, could they then watch GO?
- Stephen Pickering
X- that $14 a month just for them is the key...
- Aron Michalski
for me, BD on linkedin is happening for several years, much more then on other platforms
- Naor Mark
I can afford $14 over $150 (because I'm NOT giving up my internet) ... ;-)
- Xenophrenia
HBO would cost me a additional 50 bucks a month due to the package BS
- dlature
Won't bet against Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn founder. Early funder of Facebook, Zynga others.
- Dave Martin
Every time I try to reprice my bundle it lkeeps getting closer to $200 a month; I just wish that would follow me world wide. Alas, they all want a bite.
- Aron Michalski
Reid is very smart. I once flew home in a private plane with him, great times.
- Robert Scoble
I'm just afraid of Facebook's "Silo" which seems to be getting thicker and not thinner
- dlature
dlature: we're definitely locked into Zuck's garden.
- Robert Scoble
You can post tweets selectively to LinkedIn by inserting #in in your post (after you set permission to connect with Twitter on the LinkedIn account).
- Alex de Soto
Robert: Reid was also one of the first believers to put money into Groupon
- Dave Martin
Alex: yup, I just shoved all my tweets over there and no one complained.
- Robert Scoble
yep, agree wholeheartedly Robert
- dlature
Alex: yes, doing so sometimes, but mainly around business context, not personal
- Naor Mark
Right you are Naor.
- Alex de Soto
btw, in more traditional sectors i see much more linkedin usage then facebook
- Naor Mark
Facebook is like weeds ... they keep popping up everywhere and I can't get rid of them ;-)
- Xenophrenia
As of today's market close, Reid Hoffman is officially a billionaire (on paper)
- Dave Martin
I love the idea of how much more great Angel investing Reid Hoffman can do now... he's backed so many good companies
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: yup, except there's the mythical man month problem there.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: agreed, he's got great instincts.
- Dave Martin
Also, there aren't an increasing supply of great companies.
- Robert Scoble
a fake profile is not the issue, it's the social graph around it
- Naor Mark
My wife has fallen for the fake Hugh Laurie on Twitter. Ugh!
- Alex de Soto
I know a lot of kids who use 'fake' ID's ... they are real people using pseudonyms
- Xenophrenia
If you follow people you know, you're ok. If you follow people you don't, buyer beware.
- Aron Michalski
Don't you guys find the end of unlimited mobile data plans disturbing?
- Dave Martin
That explains something.
- Aron Michalski
Unlimited is only a thing you find in the US.
- Aron Michalski
Everywhere else is capped with healthy overage charges.
- Aron Michalski
Dave: I do, but funny enough I never hit the limits yet.
- Robert Scoble
http://connectedhq.com is interesting
- Kevin Marks
Breaking: Greg Pass stepped down at Twitter
- Dave Martin
fast is better ... ? ... useless - tablets didn't take off until Apple did - does that make tablets useless?
- Xenophrenia
It literally looks like my iPad made it out of Chengdu one shift before the accident...
- Aron Michalski
tablets were around for a LONG time before Ipad showed up ... just because something doesn't 'take off' doesn't mean it's useless
- Xenophrenia
I see what Glillmor means, but that is a bit harsh.
- coldbrew
Aron: cool!
- Robert Scoble
the quality that Facebook and Twitter have is cohesiveness ... but they are also traps into a system that is very hard to 'get out of' pretty much because of inertia of numbers
- Xenophrenia
Bravos, Steve, Tina and gang. Great show.
- Dave Martin
I won't be in NY.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
Thanks for the show, seeya.
- coldbrew
thnx guys
- Naor Mark
thanks everyone. Aron you missed my wave.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I did miss it; I suck.
- Aron Michalski
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Ready to hear some SERIOUS disclosure today! #gillmorgang
- Ralph Henson
I'm watching this while also listening to Dave Winer and Jay Rosen's show
- dlature
who's on today?
- dlature
This is like waiting for the President to announce that we got OBL! #gillmorgang
- Ralph Henson
Good morning! Waiting for that famous Skype call...
- Robert Scoble
Ralph: my disclosure. I'm always conflicted! :-)
- Robert Scoble
We're getting everything connected. Having some problems getting some of the folks connected on Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: my disclosure. I'm fairly unbalanced ;-)
- Ralph Henson
Sigh. Gillmor's having some troubles getting audio to work, please stand by. I feel like one of those guys at NASA who is counting down to launch.
- Robert Scoble
Ralph: that's OK unless you are a washing machine.
- Robert Scoble
John Bothwick - r u reading this?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Any second now.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like they have Steve's oxygen tank working!
- Ralph Henson
Hi everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
I need more coffee.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Nir!
- Robert Scoble
Got a nice cup of tea and 3 x choccy biccies
- David Lloyd
@scobleizer - I definitely need more coffee. I had my second cup of caffeinated coffee in five years today.
- John Taschek
Tea > Coffee
- David Lloyd
ok the studio needs a shade. it looks like we're on fire !
- Tina Chase Gillmor
David Lloyd - definitely agree with that. Tea is the perfect beverage (beyond water).
- John Taschek
Tina: the sun here is on my feet. Makes my feet nice and warm. :-)
- Robert Scoble
chat room needs more coffee me thinks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't think they are used to us at 9 a.m. on a Monday.
- Robert Scoble
nor I
- Tina Chase Gillmor
+1
- Nir Ben Yona
Me neither. One thing is the flow hitting my screen is faster on a Monday morning than a Friday afternoon. So, harder to keep up. Plus, email goes crazy as everyone wakes up and tries to make something happen.
- Robert Scoble
The play's the thing. It's possible and profitable to inform with entertaining. Substance with style.
- Dave Martin
Breaking Bin Laden: visualizing the power of a single tweet via @SocialFlow blog http://sflow.us/iIJEui
- Dave Martin
Eventually we will photos of dead Bin Laden. But not from official sources!
- Moe Glitz
nice Dave M. I would quite agree
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I can monitoring BEING the story in the 2012 elections. How is sentiment gathering so different from polling. Maybe better.
- Amyloo
meant "I can see..."
- Amyloo
I hear that even Bin Laden used a Cloud!
- Moe Glitz
Steve - It's the "filter" problem as Shirky has said
- Dave Martin
Dang I"m late
- Stephen Pickering
hi kids
- Aron Michalski
hey aron
- Amyloo
fully caffinated.
- Aron Michalski
come on in!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks everybody. What I miss?
- Aron Michalski
Not much yet.
- Robert Scoble
@Aron Bugs and cats doing their things :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Legal problems in the UK may cause future problems for Twitter?
- Moe Glitz
lol
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: what legal problems.
- Robert Scoble
OK, I'm up to date.
- Aron Michalski
current court injunctions may happen to a site that is publishing rumours on Twitter
- Moe Glitz
99 of 100 of my tweets suck; one is golden.
- Aron Michalski
Check out The Times or The Guardian for current news
- Moe Glitz
ahh, that's what you're talkin about Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
insane and hard to undestand make for great threads.
- Paul E. Ester
again entertaining, right Paul?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
we sometimes have to trust our friends who are insane enough to read all our tweets to edit (retweet) the one gem.
- Aron Michalski
What desktop twitter app is Robert using?
- Stephen Pickering
Disclosure: I can't be on the show today because I'm at salesforce.com induction...
- Kevin Marks
from Android
It will be a major shame if Twitters real time tweets face verification
- Moe Glitz
Kevin: "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
- Aron Michalski
May the Salesforce be with you, Kevin
- Moe Glitz
Stephen: the Macintosh official one from Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Is it anything like the Greek Eleusian Mystery Initiation rite? hehehehehehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
Ah, OK, thanks, RS
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: congrats on joining Salesforce.
- Robert Scoble
Have fun Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
interns as filters...
- Aron Michalski
Apple would be sniffing everybody... oh wait, they already are.
- Aron Michalski
@Kevin: Congrats!
- Nir Ben Yona
I just got my Square card reader and the packaging is so Apple. So do we think Apple may aquire Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
not sure why Taschek is hearing an echo. I don't see anything here to indicate that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't think so. Doesn't fit into DNA.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - the echo lasted only a few seconds. But then it was gone.
- John Taschek
The flash thing is interesting; as an Android user, I have access to Flash but it's such a memory pig that I have had it uninstalled for months. The web is changing for Apple and the Android users are benefitting and not having to use flash for certain medias.
- Aron Michalski
ok. Hang on after show so we can figure it out
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, can you let me know when you have some time this week to have a conversation?
- Aron Michalski
yay Kevin!
- Paul E. Ester
Exciting week indeed. Until next week.
- Nir Ben Yona
Thanks everybody!
- Aron Michalski
thank you all... now go get another cup o' joe!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Africa Israel sells part of Times Square Building http://www.reuters.com/article...
No worries all the major networks and few more are carrying it hear in the States.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Good to know :)
- Nir Ben Yona
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who's on today apart from me?
- Kevin Marks
Me.
- Robert Scoble
Rackspace's stock has doubled since Scoble got there. heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Doubled? When we joined it was about $6. Now it's about $43.
- Robert Scoble
Oh wow, that's even better. I thought it was around 20, still kicking myself I didn't buy it then
- Stephen Pickering
I'm kicking myself too.
- Robert Scoble
hehe Kevin is banished TO the garden instead of FROM it
- Dale Lature
We <3 the Gillmor Gang.
- David Lloyd
it's not a walled garden, but it is a fenced one
- Kevin Marks
I don't see the point. The whole point of the internet is that we can see photos of places far away. Why do we want to see photos of a place we are already at?
- Stephen Pickering
I guess it's the idea of having yourself in the pics, which you normally would not get
- Dale Lature
San Francisco felt like travelling to me, doing it 3 days and staying late
- Kevin Marks
Salesforce acquired twitter of course. Oops thats next week.
- David Lloyd
It's true. Drucker always said, "All great geniuses have great weakness. If you don't have the weakness bit (douchebag) you don't get the genius bit"
- Stephen Pickering
I tuned in late but it sounded like you guys were talking about the Google autonomous auto...well at X PRIZE we're close to launching a competition for this: http://www.xprize.org/prize-d...
- Mark Krynsky
so what Scoble was saying, George Bernard Shaw said better in 1903: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: exactly. Douchebags. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Evening all
- Nick Halstead
Hi Nick. Loic and I were talking about you yesterday. Can't wait to see what you're working on.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: that sounds cool.
- Robert Scoble
I think you're making an excluded middle error if you say 'be nice to douchebags' as a result
- Kevin Marks
Cant wait - flying out early tomorrow morning.
- Nick Halstead
Nick...hello sir...
- Mark Krynsky
you have to enable international calling on VZW
- Tim Jones
How about the Amazon Cloud Player?
- Stephen Pickering
Hi Mark, was great to catch up with you in South-by
- Nick Halstead
Kevin: well, I said don't doubt visionaries so much. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You guys heard today that Samsung announced the Wifi only Galaxy tab is coming out for $350 right? http://www.gizmocrunch.com/computi...
- Mark Krynsky
HTC Thunderbolt outsells iPhone 4 claims an Analyst http://technewsperk.com/feature...
- Tim Jones
$350 for the 10 inch one with Honeycomb?
- David Lloyd
David...no the 7" froyo.
- Mark Krynsky
Nokia's distribution is huge
- Tim Jones
if they promise a honeycomb upgrade, that could eb good
- Kevin Marks
Kevin yes, that's true...but $350 and the form factor are pretty compelling reasons to gain market share... $299 would have been better now that 1st gen iPads are $399
- Mark Krynsky
I think ill hold on to my cash for the next gen of tablets. I really want 1440x900 min resolution to read american comics on full size with no panning
- David Lloyd
But are 1st gen iPads even available?
- Stephen Pickering
I have an iPad 1st gen & I'm almost more compelled to get a Galaxy tab instead of upgrading to a 2nd gen iPad.
- Mark Krynsky
featurephone owners more likely moving to Android
- Tim Jones
Mark: if you go with 7-inch Tab that almost makes sense. But the apps suck so far compared to iPad.
- Robert Scoble
I have you back live Robert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tim: that's true, but we have to see if that distribution converts before you make wild predictions.
- Robert Scoble
Robert...then I read this tweet today from Marshall who just got a Galaxy Tab which is worrying http://twitter.com/#!...
- Mark Krynsky
Mark: Android is not as well debugged as iOS, that is a fact.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Tina!
- Robert Scoble
That's what I'm seeing...hopefully Honeycomb helps.
- Mark Krynsky
Ever wondered how many Tweets mention Lady Gaga? http://yfrog.com/h3gbmp
- Nick Halstead
Nick...having fun with Datasift I see :)
- Mark Krynsky
yes - was bored of android discussion :)
- Nick Halstead
could be also that low and middle income featurephone owners also familiar with Windows PCs/laptops
- Tim Jones
nick - ha!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Nick are there any new social content reader startups licensing Datasift data coming soon?
- Mark Krynsky
TechCrunch traffic down 50% http://siteanalytics.compete.com/techcru...
- David Lloyd
Woah! Why?
- Stephen Pickering
David: Arrington has been far less prolific lately and he usually has the big meme bombs.
- Robert Scoble
Don't know why.. but this graph is going around the net
- David Lloyd
Mark - look here http://data2con.com/schedule/ - check out the slot at 1:20pm - and thats when you will find out more :)
- Nick Halstead
MG Siegler is annoying
- Tim Jones
Talk about the Amazon Cloud Player and its impact on iTunes
- Stephen Pickering
Well every other MG post is an Apple Puff-piece...
- David Lloyd
most people use few apps
- Tim Jones
@david - trouble is I dont trust compete - their way of tracking could almost be classed as 'pure guess work'
- Nick Halstead
but I do know the mashable is eating them alive
- Nick Halstead
well I expected TC traffic to be way up since AOL, with AOL.com links coming in
- David Lloyd
there's also Androids with keyboards
- Tim Jones
Re: future of mobile, hopefully we'll see HTML 5 becoming more of the ubiquitous platform across all devices in a few years...
- Mark Krynsky
Nick: Mashable is just not that interesting to me anymore. It's trying to go more mainstream.
- Robert Scoble
Apple moves the market but then loses it
- Tim Jones
iPhone Nano might be a good Apple solution for the low-end market.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, agreed. I didnt say I read it :) - Petes a close friend but its aiming at a very different audience now.
- Nick Halstead
Nick that conferences looks great. Wish I could go but too busy at work.
- Mark Krynsky
does TC still have the power to make or break an APP / startup with a frontpage story like it used to be able to ?
- David Lloyd
Joile O'Dell keeps up the techy posts on mashable
- Kevin Marks
and Christina Warren on the mac side
- Kevin Marks
I actually like the way TC / Mashable / RWW / TNW have segmented almost into different specialisations
- Nick Halstead
Nick: same here. Nick and I had a great talk at WEF.
- Robert Scoble
The conference I'd also really like to go to in SF is the first Quantified Self one http://www.quantifiedself.com/confere...
- Mark Krynsky
The one I want to go to is http://www.the-eg.com/
- Robert Scoble
I enjoyed your Color audioblog post the other day Robert.
- David Lloyd
Thanks David, I liked that a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Toyotas more important in making vehicles accessible to the world than BMW
- Tim Jones
I sensed a bit of tension at the start or nervousness?
- David Lloyd
Robert that looks like another TED stylized conference.
- Mark Krynsky
David: yes. I wasn't nice to them in my blog. Always leads to a little nervousness at first.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: it was started by the guy who started TED.
- Robert Scoble
Android gains matter http://www.businessinsider.com/android...
- Tim Jones
The Color guys addmitted they shouldn't have made the $41million part of the launch propaganda, it got in the way -- http://www.cinchcast.com/scoblei...
- David Lloyd
Go Pro rules!
- Stephen Pickering
Windows 8 started to leak out this week I dont know if thats news
- David Lloyd
Windows 8 logon screen http://www.winsupersite.com/Content...
- David Lloyd
Robert, you going to the Data 2.0 VIP reception on Sunday night?
- Nick Halstead
There are two different type of business people: those chasing only money, and those chasing innovation
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: their 3D system ships on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: I don't think so.
- Robert Scoble
change the world by making info tech accessible to to the Egyptian masses
- Tim Jones
Yeah, I saw you post on that
- Stephen Pickering
data 2 looks interesting
- Kevin Marks
you going Kevin?
- Nick Halstead
I remember when Scoble interviewed the IE 6 team wearing "I <3 RSS" tee shirts for Channel9. hehe
- David Lloyd
no, didn't see it coming.
- Kevin Marks
David: heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, am sure they would give you a free ticket.
- Nick Halstead
how many iPhones called the masses to Tahrir Square versus Nokias?
- Tim Jones
"will tweet for ticket"
- Kevin Marks
Tim: I don't know, but in Tel Aviv iPhones were everywhere and there isn't even an Apple store there.
- Robert Scoble
who has the money to buy PC's in this economic depression?
- Tim Jones
That's true. More than 150K iphones in Israel alone, without a genuine Apple store.
- Nir Ben Yona
aren't we coming out of the depression into Recovery now?
- David Lloyd
There's always money for productivity
- Stephen Pickering
I'm sure I read 2.6% GDP growth
- David Lloyd
Tim: here in Silicon Valley lots of people have money.
- Robert Scoble
We may have a double dip because of the inflation that's coming
- Stephen Pickering
Tim: and every engineer has a job if they can code.
- Robert Scoble
Or rather is here, ie gas prices
- Stephen Pickering
well the one think most economists agree on is Inflation is coming and its going to hurt
- David Lloyd
Is the standard of living higher in America than England? because we pay $10+ for gas and have done for years and the inflation hasn't been too bad here
- David Lloyd
america is a lot more spread out; petrol prices factor into lots of goods through transport costs
- Kevin Marks
Though rumors claim that Cupertino is going to open an Apple store down town Jerusalem with a digital library http://tnw.co/fOiiZ5
- Nir Ben Yona
general cost of goods is lower here, and no VAT (though some state taxes)
- Kevin Marks
Kevin - petrol is my favorite "english" word !
- Tina Chase Gillmor
is the general rule that average wages are lower in america than here but we get taxed alot more here?
- David Lloyd
David: yeah, but your gas taxes pay for much better public transportation than here (and like Kevin says, the whole continent is much more compact than USA).
- Robert Scoble
Right, but inflation is hitting all commodities. The only cure for inflation is growth which soaks up excess liquidity
- Stephen Pickering
Jack being back at Twitter is great news
- Nick Halstead
Nick: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
the minimum wage in england is £5.93 which works out at $9.48
- David Lloyd
Met Jack in Paris at Le Web. Nice guy. I LIKE him
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: agreed. I'd rather have beer with Jack than with Ev.
- Robert Scoble
Jack follows me Ev doesn't. :-) So I might be biased.
- Robert Scoble
Amazing how nice you get when you're worth many hundreds of millions
- Stephen Pickering
I like Jack, but I like Ev and Dick too, in different ways
- Kevin Marks
I was fortunate to visit Better Place first battery-swap station last week. It's awesome and QUICK http://twitpic.com/4cfp6q
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert weren't you one of the first people on "twttr" ?
- David Lloyd
David: I was about the 13,200th person on Twttr.
- Robert Scoble
Always late to the party! :-)
- Robert Scoble
13000 probably counts as very early considering the number they have now
- David Lloyd
David: yup. Considering there are hundred million + on Twitter now.
- Robert Scoble
I joined twitter december 11th 2006; not sure what number though
- Kevin Marks
hmmm...somehow the absence of the dickbar had not crossed my radar.....great. I like the dickless version....errr dick-barless version
- Dale Lature
Just reminded me of the episode of the simpsons when Mr Burns social security number is "2"
- David Lloyd
Facebook is mainstream, Twitter isn't.
- Nir Ben Yona
QuickBar! Not Dickbar! will somebody think of the children!
- David Lloyd
I wish there was an easy way for tweets show up in a map, like it is in Google Buzz for Mobile
- Tim Jones
Tim: there is probably an app for that somewhere, maybe obscure!
- David Lloyd
I loved Caroline's phrase "insidery tech circles dubbing the feature "dickbar" in reference to Twitter CEO Dick Costolo and the oft-derogatory alternate meaning of his first name"
- Kevin Marks
No, no, no, Facebook has more info on you, so it can target ads better
- Stephen Pickering
I swear there are dozens of twitter apps which no one knows about but the developer and his family
- David Lloyd
Twitter for speedy communication - news. Facebook for sharing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I played around with FB advertising last month and I saw the light
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook will never be the news distribution platform that Twitter is #fact
- Nick Halstead
More like $85B now :) #Facebook
- Nir Ben Yona
there used to be a rule in the Twitter TOS that you shall not use the service primarily to pass links out hehe.
- David Lloyd
I think you might be right Nick
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I used to be a total Twitter guy, now I'm spending much more time on FB
- Stephen Pickering
Tweeter is for getting news out to the world, FB is to update just for friends
- Tim Jones
I sense a GG argument building... we havent had one this week
- David Lloyd
depends on your age; younger people think FB is public, use twitter in private mode
- Kevin Marks
2M Israelis on FB. Just 70K on Twitter. Most kids are using Facebook rather than Twitter.
- Nir Ben Yona
"There are no masses, just ways of treating people as masses"
- Kevin Marks
im interested in seeing 'trending' topics based upon a stream filtered by only higher authority users
- Nick Halstead
Nir - Yes, young people DO NOT LIKE Twitter
- Tina Chase Gillmor
"sometimes you want a burger not a fillet steak" - me
- David Lloyd
radian6 is track, like Nick's thing, no?
- Kevin Marks
Right, if that trending topics were curated a little much more value
- Stephen Pickering
radian6 is like stone age tech Kevin - great marketing tho
- Nick Halstead
hyperlocal should come with a map
- Tim Jones
I want trends from my friends, minus the global trends. That would be interesting
- Kevin Marks
why do I keep losing my comment window?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I reckon in about a year Steve may admit we already have track + a license to sell it :)
- Nick Halstead
Facebook will own brand marketing, Google will own cash flow marketing
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: that's why Nick's company is so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: agreed. Except can you let me DataSift the folks I'm following?
- Robert Scoble
Has that shipped yet?
- Robert Scoble
despite what they have said, right now a team of Google's best is hard at work on a facebook killer :)
- David Lloyd
Robert - Monday, monday, monday ..... all will be revealed
- Nick Halstead
Cause I'm 50x more interested in the 31,000 people I'm following than the masses who are asses.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: understood. Can't wait!
- Robert Scoble
Nick, is that conference being live streamed?
- Kevin Marks
another Seesmic pivot? quelle surprise.
- Jamie
kevin, yes
- Nick Halstead
Nick - would you like to break some news here?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@scobleizer - Masses who are asses - this was related to Alexander Hamilton's thinking about how the masses choose the least common denominator for president.
- John Taschek
Jamie: not really. Seesmic has an application plugin platform that is quite nice.
- Robert Scoble
heh, yes, those are real tweets. I have an Android app, nanoTweeter, that pays a tweet sound when I get amention, and got false positives in my garden
- Kevin Marks
Jamie: this is just reflecting Seesmic's previous pivots.
- Robert Scoble
what ever happened to Seesmic Look! seemic for real people
- David Lloyd
David: it is as lame an idea as Microsoft Bob.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic isnt pivoting again - Loic has already stated his goal with going enterprise
- Nick Halstead
David: things aimed at novices rarely succeed.
- Robert Scoble
the "Idiots" series of books did ok!
- David Lloyd
David: and because Seesmic is going enterprise the idea of aiming at novices just won't work.
- Robert Scoble
"TV is not vulgar and prurient and dumb because the people who compose the audience are vulgar and dumb. Television is the way it is simply because people tend to be extremely similar in their vulgar and prurient and dumb interests and wildly different in their refined and aesthetic and noble interests." - David Foster Wallace
- Kevin Marks
that's the pivot I was referring to - enterprise.
- Jamie
Twitter for Idiots
- David Lloyd
Twitter For Dummies is Laura Fitton et al's book - very good
- Kevin Marks
David: the idiots series of books actually are quite advanced. The goal is to get those people NOT to think like they are idiots.
- Robert Scoble
I like that quote, Kevin. Uncomfortable with masses as asses.
- Amyloo
Amyloo: blame my history teacher in college.
- Robert Scoble
Robert Fricke. One of the best teachers I've ever had.
- Robert Scoble
OK.
- Amyloo
Ah, you guys are talking Social Readers I've created a comparison matrix here: http://lifestreamblog.com/on-the-...
- Mark Krynsky
I can't believe the Activity Streams meetup went to Chevy's, when Thirsty Bear is next door...
- Kevin Marks
Alpha male
- Stephen Pickering
I've been playing with a few more and need to add them and tweak the columns a bit...
- Mark Krynsky
I just ran out of MI-5 to watch on my AppleTV :(
- Kevin Marks
So far my favorite service based on prioritizing my social graph (Twitter only) is still Tweeted Times. My favorite based on relevancy algorithm so far is Zite.
- Mark Krynsky
Mark: I like Zite but it doesn't do Twitter yet, does it? That's a huge mistake.
- Robert Scoble
I didn't touch anything from Apple until 1985
- Kevin Marks
which do you recommend Mark?
- Jamie
Kevin: I was a Apple customer back in 1977.
- Robert Scoble
What year was Apple born?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: 1976, if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
I had a PET
- Kevin Marks
duh, just saw your post. my bad! I agree Zite is fantastic. a lot of legal issues brewing though
- Jamie
My dad bought an Apple II. I got a tour of Apple when it was a single building back in 1977.
- Robert Scoble
'76 Geez, really?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert it does support twitter but I believe only for keyword category information I believe.
- Mark Krynsky
Mark - interesting comparison of social media - http://bit.ly/gUBc7x (shrunken for Twitter)
- John Taschek
AppleTV defaults to iTunes, then you switch to netflix
- Kevin Marks
I think Netflix is selling themselves short. Apple TV needs them as much as they need Apple TV
- Stephen Pickering
It's an accessory.
- Amyloo
Over 50,000 hours of video are uploaded to Youtube every day - http://bit.ly/hfA8mM
- John Taschek
Boxee is going to release an Air-play like application soon.
- Nir Ben Yona
a 1080p AppleTV would be nice, eventually
- Kevin Marks
Searching for GG time today, noticed somebody still retweeting that almost 2-year-old Leo blows up at Arrington video.
- Amyloo
Amy - dirt lives forever
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Seriously!
- Amyloo
That's a cool accessory for the ipad http://bit.ly/fQ3GIs
- Nir Ben Yona
We're gonna start sellin' stuff! Enough SEO, we're going SEM baby!
- Stephen Pickering
licensing airplay video will be a big deal
- Jamie
A VW van and $10,000 wasn't that Odwalla?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: I think Odwalla has a similar story.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: GoPro started with capital made by reselling bead belts that Nick, CEO, bought on a surfing trip in Australia.
- Robert Scoble
Technology will continue to march on...in spite of Douchebaggery.
- Mark Krynsky
Because of Douchebaggery!
- Stephen Pickering
Moe: it's called Safari.
- Robert Scoble
New and upcoming Apple AirPlay products http://cnet.co/ejCqs2
- Nir Ben Yona
shame that AirPlay is closed, compared to the original DAAP
- Kevin Marks
I love my ipad / New York Times paywall workaround
- defrag_Ami
I can easily see AirPlay usurping DLNA as the standard for this stuff. defacto of course.
- Jamie
DLNA is such a mess on Android
- Kevin Marks
uPnp
- Mark Krynsky
but doing it as a standard would be good
- Kevin Marks
uPnP is crap compared to ZeroConf
- Kevin Marks
i think the Amazon news is a big deal.
- Jamie
I use my android for music and podcasts all the time
- Kevin Marks
Kevin...I thought we were just playing digitial media bingo.
- Mark Krynsky
Moe, thanks, they were a bit long and a bit pitchy but I like what they are doing.
- Robert Scoble
I use google listen more on a time basis
- Kevin Marks
but it depends how much of the day I'm travelling
- Kevin Marks
That's what current.tv should do with olbermann
- Amyloo
Download web browser, Atomic Lite (free), set to private browsing mode, and just use that for NY Times. Cookies are deleted every time you put app in background.
- defrag_Ami
wow
- Jamie
Jamie: wow what?
- Robert Scoble
that airplay news. is it public knowledge?
- Jamie
xbox is the media hub
- Tim Jones
DLNA works OK on my Android. But i's an awful implementation.
- John Taschek
Jamie: nope, not public yet.
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: Gillmor Gang is about the future. :-)
- Robert Scoble
who did you say? Hulu and?
- Jamie
Jamie: if I remember right Netflix. But not from those services themselves. From a new startup coming this week.
- Robert Scoble
the Airplay protocol is open (audio now, video soon). it will be in a ton of devices.
- Jamie
Why can't I watch The Gillmor Gang live on my iPad 2? Catch up.
- Stefan Etienne
xbox live
- Tim Jones
Stefan: Ustream sucks. We have to figure that out.
- Robert Scoble
URL jamie
- Kevin Marks
Stefan: do you have the latest Ustream app?
- Robert Scoble
Yes.
- Stefan Etienne
Stefan and Tina: we need to figure that out. I think Ustream forces people to use a new producer app to get displayed in the Ustream app on iOS.
- Robert Scoble
does Apple play with other handware companies?
- Tim Jones
Ah, ok.
- Stefan Etienne
hardware
- Tim Jones
yes tim, look at the huge aftermarket hardware for the iPhone/pod/pad connector
- Kevin Marks
I'm saying it needs to be like firewire, not like iPod connector
- Kevin Marks
Kevin - agree
- John Taschek
Leo will be in the new studio
- Stephen Pickering
is Leo still using the Skyepasaurus?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, Yes
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks to everyone. Chat is fabulous! Have a great Saturday
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Will Hunting had it right 14 years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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- Nir Ben Yona
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who's on today? I like to tweet notify people what's ahead
- Dale Lature
Me, Danny Sullivan, John Taschek, Steve Gillmor. Not sure if Kevin will be on.
- Robert Scoble
I am ready for the show. Sitting in my studio digitally remastering an old 1931 movie called The Champ and listening to GG.
- David Lloyd
My iPad 2 just arrived. Wooohhoooo! :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's 5% lighter and Angry Birds loads 50% FASTER!
- David Lloyd
r.e. twitter: yes unbox live pls, maybe in preshow if not allowed
- David Lloyd
Steve, I'm getting twitchy. I can't wait to unbox my iPad 2.
- Robert Scoble
oooh, an unboxing
- Dale Lature
I have a ton of videos to turn on after the show too. Starting to recover from SXSW.
- Robert Scoble
GarageBand on the iPad is the greatest app for hack musicians of all time.
- John Taschek
Still waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
speaking of which, has everyone turned on Gmail's new Smart Labels? That's the single most productive thing I've done this year.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be on, unless this rain takes out the power/net
- Kevin Marks
More about them here: http://lifehacker.com/#!57801...
- Robert Scoble
Just got the call, we'll be on air shortly.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know why but when I visit links to Gawker sites the actual page doesn't load, just some page full of related stories
- David Lloyd
thanks, Robert
- Jerome Hughes
that's the hashbang fail, David. See also: http://xkcd.com/869/
- Kevin Marks
Hi Steve, sorry I showed up
- Ross Mayfield
There was great shit at sxsw, like Ditto, but it got lost in the noise
- Ross Mayfield
Ross: I like the idea of Ditto more than I like the execution.
- Robert Scoble
version 1 dude
- Ross Mayfield
but yes, you see a lot of version 1s
- Ross Mayfield
I like ditto, except it's iPhone only, so not very usable
- Kevin Marks
Ross: I know, I will give Jyri feedback about what doesn't work for me.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: very usable for me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
yeah, if you dont have an iphone its not very usable
- Ross Mayfield
The new Comdex
- Eric
Windows PC's stopped crashing a long time ago
- David Lloyd
twitter and foursquare both bridged modalities, sms to web, mobile app to web. made it very viable to communicate with many people.
- Kevin Marks
I have an iPod touch, I can try it on wifi, but...
- Kevin Marks
Google Circles!
- David Lloyd
Pricing discrimination by device for the NYT
- David Lloyd
Is the NYT on the web still going to be free?
- Stephen Pickering
The NYT times should have picked a time where access to news didn't matter. Less interesting times.
- Ross Mayfield
this is a christian scientist plot
- Ross Mayfield
The thing is some of us follow hundreds of links a day, and if every news site starts charging... will be laying out hundreds of bucks a month :D
- David Lloyd
Winer will maybe start a feed river for us and we can click through for free hehe.
- David Lloyd
there's that name again, i do not know that it means what people think it means
- Ross Mayfield
So all I have to do if I am past my 20 article limit on NYT, is to TWEET the link to the 21st article and then follow it, and I'm in.
- Dale Lature
Yes Dale
- David Lloyd
NYT should create a digital version that has opinion and longer pieces. Forget keeping up with the news.
- Alex de Soto
so, um, are you arguing that paper is dead?
- Ross Mayfield
A firefox / google addon will probably come out which amends something to a url to make it trick it into appearing like a link has been clicked.
- David Lloyd
yes, Ross http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006...
- Kevin Marks
FT.com not convenient using links to avoid subscription (but doing it)
- cliveb
so 2006
- Ross Mayfield
David, wasn't a question, but thanks for answering
- Dale Lature
I know it sounded like a qtn...dont want to come off smart aleck
- Dale Lature
What killed the NYT credibility is when they went into the tank for Bush's Iraq War. That was just unreal. Everyone in the entire world knew Sadam had no WMD's or had anything to do with it except the CIA and NYT.
- Stephen Pickering
National Edition of WSJ Circulation (print I assume): 1,678,498
- Alex de Soto
NYT Circulation: http://www.nytimes.whsites.net/mediaki...
- Alex de Soto
no Stephen, most people thought Saddam did have WMD, arguably including Saddam
- Kevin Marks
Is wired mag on ipad (fed up with paper)
- cliveb
not having to think about it is the problem. news only with the ability to tweet and like is boring.
- Ross Mayfield
I tweet hundred year old articles out...
- Kevin Marks
i want an old ticker tape machine hooked up to twitter
- Ross Mayfield
http://www.google.com/s2... is Google's social circles, shipped last year
- Kevin Marks
Yeah Kevin but the NYT was reporting things as fact in that case that had no substantiation. Their reporter, Judith Miller I believe was almost just acting as a mouthpiece for the Admin
- Stephen Pickering
Google hired Ed Chi to inject social scents.
- cliveb
iPad2 toting communists?
- Alex de Soto
my 8 year old only uses his ipad for games, thousands of free games
- Ross Mayfield
i seriously regret not getting him a hackable computer
- Ross Mayfield
Garageband and iMovie are what are going to sell a lot of iPad2s
- Stephen Pickering
Garageband iPad is freaking incredible. That's the direction of the future.
- Stephen Pickering
for a kid, the instant gratification of free crap in the itunes store is as much of a problem as the lack of creation tools
- Ross Mayfield
now click a link on the paper
- Ian McGee
The paradigm of the iPad is removing the intimidation and introducing fun and intimacy with computing and communications
- Stephen Pickering
iO Dock Pro Audio Dock For iPad is really cool If you're using GarageBand http://bit.ly/g4ooLl
- Nir Ben Yona
We need Andrew for this
- Dale Lature
Hah I just finished reading volume one of that book Kevin
- David Lloyd
Johns PC mag #2 looks like whole earth catalog
- cliveb
Nir Ben can you connect an interface to that or something?
- Stephen Pickering
@Stephen Of course, that's the point :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Stephen: Totally agree about Garageband! Amazing technology.
- John Taschek
John, was it deboned?
- Jerome Hughes
see, sxsw is destroying the greatest minds of the tech industry
- Ross Mayfield
You should see it compared to my Computer Shopper, which is now too heavy to lift.
- John Taschek
Ross: at least for a week. :-)
- Robert Scoble
For print users like Danny: Check out this Tech Support video from the middle ages: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Alex de Soto
And good luck! hehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
I got a bunch of those old computer mags which are 500 pages thick and 400 of those pages are ads for 16MB ram chips and pentium 333s!
- David Lloyd
Interesting from the same PC Mag cover: "IBM makes serious Music"
- John Taschek
Little known story - Computer Shopper had to up its editorial content frequently to avoid being labled as junk mail which would incur substantially more postal costs.
- John Taschek
is there an interesting AR app for the iPad 2 yet?
- Ross Mayfield
open the mag up John and let us know the speed of some of the CPUs for sale back then!
- David Lloyd
Krugman just wrote this: Yes. We encourage links from Facebook, Twitter, search engines, blogs and social media. When you visit NYTimes.com through a link from one of these channels, that article (or video, slide show, etc.) will count toward your monthly limit of 20 free articles, but you will still be able to view it even if you’ve already read your 20 free articles.
- Dale Lature
FT.com using same paywall link logic
- cliveb
that makes sense, Dale. Stop the 'you evil buggers broke the web' reaction I have to WaPo or FT now
- Kevin Marks
Marketing and Promotions Director for Conde Nast says the Wired.com app will be replicated across the media network.
- Alex Williams
First ad in PC Mag: Microsoft announces BASIC "If flying your IBM PC got any more realistic, you'd need a license (also an ad for Flight Simulator)
- John Taschek
Online News Consumption, Revenue Overtake Print for the First Time http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- empiricator
You might pay for really good curation of the news.
- Alex de Soto
Online News Consumption, Revenue Overtake Print for the First Time http://www.pcmag.com/article... - You (edit | delete)
- empiricator
Supercalc has a spread ad.
- John Taschek
we'll be forced to subscribe to people
- Ross Mayfield
First ad for hardware: Cameo advertising backup for Zenith and Eagle computers.
- John Taschek
@alex thx Wired was my last mag subscription (apart from ACM.org)
- cliveb
404 empiricator
- Kevin Marks
we already subscribe to people
- Tina Chase Gillmor
good article, empiricator: http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- Kevin Marks
@kevin thanks
- empiricator
and the ipad is a catalyst for legitimizing the web
- Stephen Pickering
Interruptive ads anywhere are in trouble unless they're damn good. Look at the backlash to Twitter's quick bar.
- Alex de Soto
I notice ads which catch my interest. I saw an ad for an Alfred Hitchcock boxed set and ended up laying down £30 for it. Rebecca (best film of all time) :D
- David Lloyd
Brits love adverts. hehehehehhe
- Stephen Pickering
kinect camera can track the eyes, then inject the ads where eyes are
- cliveb
We don't love adverts but we love the fact that the BBC has no adverts so our drama last a full hour and not 44 minutes.
- David Lloyd
iPad and publishing: What about the rumored magazine standards that Apple could be working on?
- Alex de Soto
perhaps there would be a larger percentage coming from an app that are not quite motivated to get there via Safari ?
- Jerome Hughes
o_O Alex - the standard is HTML, like it is for Books
- Kevin Marks
or to make someone else the money tomorrow
- Jerome Hughes
Kevin: This is what I was referring to: http://www.fastcompany.com/1738528...
- Alex de Soto
Brit ads often have superbowl quality
- cliveb
There's no question. The only drawback is that its killing my eyes
- Stephen Pickering
he said "killing" not "killed"
- David Lloyd
I just hope he doesn't turn FF off!
- Stephen Pickering
The iPad is rocking it in medicine. Physicians are really into them. 1 in 5 plan to buy one: http://www.epocrates.com/company...
- Alex de Soto
Flipscam! hehehehehhehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
try this website, Robert: http://www.nytimes.com/chrome
- Kevin Marks
WOW, thats a nice link Kevin
- David Lloyd
Love the NYT Chrome app. I guess they'll be charging for access to that too.
- Alex de Soto
i think iPad is indeed "the Web", but Web 4.0 or whatever number we're on is more invested inthe interface, like the Tablet (which now IS the iPad)
- Dale Lature
Never seen the Times like that before
- David Lloyd
I know the general philosophy, but where can a new father find an RSS feed of this show (audio or video) to catch up on the last month's episodes? The baby is lovely, but I'm having GG withdrawals...
- Chris Aldrich
how do Physicians sterilize iPad...
- cliveb
The NPR Chome app is also a standout as is Sports Illustrated. I read them on my free CR-48 and I'm thrilled.
- Alex de Soto
Kevin: yes, and that's not nearly as nice as reading on a Tablet, er, an iPad.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, and THAT isn't NEARLY as nice as Flipboard.
- Robert Scoble
Funny @cliveb. Autoclaves would not work. Glue would melt. ;)
- Alex de Soto
Kevin, because it only has one source.
- Robert Scoble
Echoing Chris -- audio podcast against would be nice as well. Some of us have more time to listen in cars.
- Ian McGee
on that NYT link with Top News is the answer to Sgteve's wondering about NYT journalists that were missing: "http://www.nytimes.com/2011..."
- Dale Lature
so, let flipboard make a web app
- Kevin Marks
Glenn Beck will go off on them if Scoble is right about him joining the Obama team
- David Lloyd
Yep, Robert, one source. The aggregate is the key
- Dale Lature
Glenn Beck already went off on Google
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: you miss the point. Touch is a HUGE part of why Flipboard is more enjoyable to use. Same with Feedly, coming soon to both Android tablets and iPads.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, why can't I get Flipboard on my PC?
- David Lloyd
David: can you touch your PC?
- Robert Scoble
Isn't Glenn Beck going off on something how you know you're doing it right?
- Ian McGee
@Alex the Windows tablet is autoclave compatible! (nothing to melt)
- cliveb
No but I can move my mouse curser instead of my finger
- David Lloyd
David: not the same.
- Robert Scoble
I can touch my Air, great trackpad gestures
- Kevin Marks
David: the iPad is superior for reading.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: not the screen.
- Robert Scoble
and I don't need to lift my knees up to balance it either
- Kevin Marks
I love the views of Steve's studio.
- Alex Williams
Surely a PC is the best way to read the news while you are at home. (or Mac)
- David Lloyd
Why would anyone read the news on their pad while sitting in their office ?
- David Lloyd
well, David, lots of people are reading on iPads, with things like instapaper
- Kevin Marks
David: I disagree. The iPad is in the midst of a revolution in how we'll read news. More when Feedly ships at end of month.
- Robert Scoble
David - because they'd like to sit back and manipulate items directly
- Jerome Hughes
I read a lot on my android phone around the house and on the move
- Kevin Marks
And I should say "Tablets" not just iPads, since Feedly will work on Android too.
- Robert Scoble
David - totally disagree. I can curl up with my iPad
- Tina Chase Gillmor
And it's not the only tablet-based app that's totally changing how I read news.
- Robert Scoble
PC not a lean back experience
- cliveb
The PC isn't going away, but it sucks for reading on the couch.
- Robert Scoble
Or in bed.
- Robert Scoble
I want a backlit Kindle, its just about the best reading device for me when relaxing
- David Lloyd
another 2006 post of mine: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006...
- Kevin Marks
I always thought when the web started up that like "oh hey now the NYT can have its own TV station"
- Stephen Pickering
We are in the middle of a real revolution. One which will be more apparent over next month or two. (I've seen a few apps coming that are mind blowing and NOT on PCs).
- Robert Scoble
David: that's impossible. Kindle uses eInk screens which REQUIRE front facing light.
- Robert Scoble
air is good on the couch; android is good standing up
- Kevin Marks
David: just get Kindle on an iPad. Use it in bed. Kindle everywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
They are awesome. I just love holding them!
- Stephen Pickering
It might be impossible now, but who knows what the next version of eInk will be capable of in a couple of years
- David Lloyd
I would use the ipad for reading books but its too damn heavy
- David Lloyd
Kindle on the phone too
- Kevin Marks
I wish it weighed 150 grams less and had half the battery ;p
- David Lloyd
The nice part of standalone kindle is that there isn't anything else there, so one is forced to focus on the content more concertedly.
- Chris Aldrich
That's right David, that's the only drawback to me, all day on computer and iPad, my vision is going rapidly
- Stephen Pickering
When the funnies get a great app, newsprint will be in real trouble.
- Alex de Soto
iPod Touch is a nice device too
- Kevin Marks
I just finished reading a hardcover Folio edition of the decline and fall of the Roman empire, it weighs 75% less than an Ipad and I thought that was too heavy to comfortably read for a long period :D
- David Lloyd
I tell you, watching TV through Slingbox on iPad is killer
- Stephen Pickering
I have the Everyman one, but I do buy Folio too
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Cost a couple of pounds from one of those dusty second hand book shops you find in backstreets of England
- David Lloyd
Call me old-fashioned, but I find it a bit scary to hold an iPad (a device that undoubtedly radiates) and read for hours.
- Nir Ben Yona
iPhone went into established market, iPad established a new market
- Jerome Hughes
Nir, do you have a phone in your pocket with 7 radios in
- Kevin Marks
I try to put my iphone as far as possible from my pocket. Most of the time in my bag. It scares me.
- Nir Ben Yona
Stop all talking at once please
- David Lloyd
When I bought my Verizon iPhone, a clerk said that maybe ATT would get better after everybody switched away
- Ross Mayfield
geez the overtalking is incredible today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: too much coffee.
- Robert Scoble
You cannot watch Al jazeera Live on the ipad :(
- David Lloyd
$140 android tablet at QVC http://www.qvc.com/qic...
- Kevin Marks
The only thing that could possibly hurt the iPad is if they somehow start to restrict content, ie if they run Amazon off the platform
- Stephen Pickering
iPad is still missing a solid cloud solution like the cr-48 has. Syncing with a cable is so old.
- Alex de Soto
Because you don't like itunes.
- Todd Hoff
I bet that $140 tablet will sell for £299 over here heh.
- David Lloyd
I bought the nexus on for T-Mobile, still love the phone.
- Michael Breslin
Alex totally agree.
- Stephen Pickering
You buy this "Post PC Ipad" and you need a computer to use it :)
- David Lloyd
"post PC but Pc needed to use" Ipad
- David Lloyd
It's not just not liking iTunes, its that I've got two macs and I wish I could buy content on whichever one I'm on, but I can't if I want it to sync
- Stephen Pickering
David: good point, but you don't need one. Just go into Apple store and they will set it up for you. But how many people don't have a PC/Mac that are gonna buy a Tablet?
- Robert Scoble
But I agree, that's one of the cool features of my Xoom.
- Robert Scoble
Cellphones were around for a long time too. Then came the iPhone.
- Alex de Soto
I was just pointing out it's a bit egregious to describe the ipad as a post-pc device
- David Lloyd
It would be like describing a hybrid car as post-petrolium, when you need to put oil in it still
- David Lloyd
What about IBM Steve?
- Chris Aldrich
I love this show, feels like a secret hidden show only a few people know about
- David Lloyd
It's because Steve killed it's RSS feed David.
- Chris Aldrich
Well Office IS DEAD despite the last version breaking all sales records for the series :D
- David Lloyd
David: momentum is hard to kill. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Wonder if share of non-Apple mp3 players is one predictor of non-ipad tablets?
- Amyloo
still waiting for the iPad tohave video creation tools and a decent video camera
- Dale Lature
For our sake I hope Apple doesn't end up with 95% tablet market share
- David Lloyd
ala ipod vs mp3 players
- David Lloyd
they shipped that, dale
- Kevin Marks
lot of mp3-playing phones
- Kevin Marks
shipped what?...iPad2 camera sucks for video...now they're saying iPad 3 in Nov will have it
- Dale Lature
David: I predict 90% this year. 75% next.
- Robert Scoble
Of course somewhere in the world maybe a super hot tablet is being developed right now...
- David Lloyd
My wife is perfectly happy with reading Mags on her cheap color Nook. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
- Alex de Soto
the ipad is destroying the web
- Ross Mayfield
How do you itterate a tablet every year and not run out of ways to make it feel new?
- David Lloyd
I mean, its a chunk of glass
- David Lloyd
Ross: the Web will come back. :-) Although it might look like an app. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
If someone out there would actually care about building beautiful products as much as Apple does, then maybe someone else could get some traction
- Stephen Pickering
should have talked about how apple is deprecating web apps on the iphone and ipad
- Ross Mayfield
David Lloyd, after a certain point it may be the software that carries the iteration burden, if you look at PCs.
- Amyloo
not deprecating web apps, just speeded up the browser more than fullscreen apps
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: the problem is it costs money to build beautiful products.
- Robert Scoble
longer story, another time
- Ross Mayfield
Microsoft should build Office apps for iOS and Android.
- Alex de Soto
url, ross?
- Kevin Marks
Go CDMA!! and QCOM! hehehhe
- Stephen Pickering
will DM
- Ross Mayfield
Thanks everyone for joining us.
- Robert Scoble
Ballmer will keep hope alive or begone
- cliveb
sorry i showed up Steve, thanks all
- Ross Mayfield
excellent , guys. Thanks
- Dale Lature
Until next time.
- Nir Ben Yona
Tel Aviv street party #5 Fat baby http://twitpic.com/4antoa
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- Shevonne
LOL. Something like that :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Tel Aviv street party #3 http://twitpic.com/4anrsw
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Party time!
- Shevonne
You bet!
- Nir Ben Yona
Twitter's Biz Stone to become a "social impact" strategic adviser for AOL http://online.wsj.com/article...
so does this mean that AOLwill aquire Twitter ?
- Peter Dawson
Maybe it is more likely that Twitter will acquire AOL?
- Brian Sullivan
Google needs them even more.
- Nir Ben Yona
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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can you see me on skype? I got a phonecall
- Kevin Marks
I'm waiting for the SkypeCall. Hopefully my wifi holds up.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone hear from Gillmor yet? Tina oh Tina, where art thou?
- Robert Scoble
Hi everybody!
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Francine!
- Robert Scoble
Hi Francine.
- Aron Michalski
Where are you where the wifi won't hold up?
- Francine Hardaway
I'm sitting in the middle of USVP on Sand Hill Road.
- Robert Scoble
It looks like it's doing OK now. Twitter and FriendFeed are streaming in fine.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I'm going to an Apple store in Austin to get an iPad2, but not the downtown one
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Aronski, I guess you are not touring lately
- Francine Hardaway
It's the quiet season; I get back on the bird in April.
- Aron Michalski
Just got the call, so we' should be on now...
- Robert Scoble
Sweet! Doc is here...
- Francine Hardaway
it's spelled John Borthwick, but it's pronounced Throat WObbler Mangrove
- Kevin Marks
there's a lot of SKUs this time. 9 I count. 16, 32, 64 for Wifi. Same for 3G but x2 (GSM and CDMA). Plus they are still selling the old units..
- Jamie
Apps are definitely a deal breaker for me, personally. That said, we can't ignore these facts: 10 Reasons Why The Motorola Xoom Beats The iPad 2 http://bit.ly/gLfgpv
- Nir Ben Yona
Can you take a photo with the iPad 2??
- Ward Mundy
The Air is light enough to use as a portable cam
- Kevin Marks
said the connector was good for 1080p
- Jerome Hughes
bingo Doc.
- Aron Michalski
Yes, you can take a photo. But the camera is not all that good.
- Robert Scoble
I'm conflicted, but I want to get one anyway.
- Francine Hardaway
Even Hillary Clinton agrees
- Jim Posner
You can read about the iPad 2 camera in this post: http://bit.ly/dYpwvn
- Nir Ben Yona
narrowcasting=real name required.
- Aron Michalski
I wonder if Doc has any comments re Monitor Consulting based at Harvard that took Libyan money to burnish the image of Gaddafi. Clay Shirky has been caught up in this as well.
- Jim Posner
What's Windows? Old story, hardly news.
- Michael Krigsman
All my documents are in the cloud. This is irrelevant
- Francine Hardaway
Interesting article in Rolling Stone about the entertainers who took money from Gaddafi as well.
- Aron Michalski
Why would MS want to support iOS?
- Michael Krigsman
MS ship OneNote and Messenger on iOS
- Kevin Marks
not that I can remember my Windows Live ID to try it
- Kevin Marks
But today's MS doesn't compete on the bleeding edge
- Michael Krigsman
Took him 10 years to port Mac OS as Windows.
- Aron Michalski
Redmond fighting to restart developer interest in Sharepoint http://www.sharepointsaturday.org/
- cliveb
The problem is not bleeding edge or not -- it's quality of design!
- Michael Krigsman
The design sensibilities of the Mac create ease of use, that's the draw for so many new Mac users.
- Michael Krigsman
mixing is a tactile experience; touch is a major improvement for Garage Band.
- Aron Michalski
The leak of Remond talent to Kirkland turning to a stream
- cliveb
Robert, that VMware product you describe is fascinating!
- Michael Krigsman
the difference is that on the iPad you can create the feel of an instrument
- Kevin Marks
Steve, you are living in a future ivory tower that is far removed from the life of most of us ordinary users
- Michael Krigsman
The 5th Beatle can be the mixer, directing the sound into a cohesive view.
- Aron Michalski
GarageBand is awesome, but I really hope they'll have MIDI input somehow... otherwise, it doesn't make sense to play on the screen.
- Nir Ben Yona
you mean Midi output, Nir?
- Kevin Marks
MS was concerned about Linux going back to the 1997 timeframe
- Michael Krigsman
Kevin: sorta. Something that will help connecting a Midi Controller.
- Nir Ben Yona
In and out.
- Aron Michalski
Not just MS either. I feel less compelled to invest in full Adobe Creative Suites.
- Alex de Soto
conversation about iOS and iTunes begs the question ... what about the 'protesters' at the Apple event the other day ??
- studentforce
Canadian government cabinet ministers all have government issued iPads.
- Brian Sullivan
funny .... my wife was watching a Xoom commercial yesterday and said ... "take a look at the Motorola iPad" its like calling a tissue a "kleenex'
- studentforce
http://www.computerworld.com/s... I liked this article
- Kevin Marks
Hey! I have the 3GS still!!!
- Alex de Soto
2.5G here
- Jerome Hughes
I sold my 3G the day before the iPad2 announcement. Planning to buy a new one next week.
- Michael Krigsman
With all that money in the bank, what's keeping Apple from going in the cellphone provider business?
- Ward Mundy
Why waste money on ATT/Verizon 3G? I use my Android personal hotspot.
- Michael Krigsman
Rumors Win 8 - further ahead on Tablet than letting on http://bit.ly/hA1e7d
- cliveb
Not sure iPad is really a text production platform though: http://damnyouautocorrect.com/6101...
- Kevin Marks
finally an interface the granola boxers of the 60's can throw some shapes with.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin: with a Bluetooth keyboard? Absolutely!
- Robert Scoble
I have trouble blogging on the iPad. But I don't use the Bluetooth keyboard
- Francine Hardaway
BMW had a L7
- Jerome Hughes
Windows L8 even sounds great.
- Ward Mundy
not sure if I get Ditto yet.
- Jamie
Different circles - the last 4 people whose machines I jumped on had IE6 :-p
- Denise Howell
Jamie: the UI needs a little bit more work to expose what's interesting there.
- Robert Scoble
ditto needs an iPhone and Facebook...
- Kevin Marks
Denise: I only talk to the tip of the spear. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I hope you fixed that for them, Denise
- Kevin Marks
The Xfinity apps from Comcast are pretty good.
- Alex de Soto
I have an iPhone and Facebook. What I need are friends :)
- Jamie
Kevin: there are lots of computers in conference rooms, lobbies, etc that aren't upgradeable by users and no one cares about them to upgrade them.
- Robert Scoble
It's becoming one channel, with multiple windows.
- Aron Michalski
Someone should caption you with your (er) hand up Robert: "Talk to the Tip!" Re fixing, yes, immediately.
- Denise Howell
Imagine; we've reached the point where we want less channels.
- Aron Michalski
My gogoinflight+iPad experience last week didn't work, the iPad choked on that connection. Also the hotel's later. Annoying; was glad I had the Air along too. (The good news is both fit comfortably in a purse.)
- Denise Howell
I know, Denise. I have both and take them both, too. But that's a problem
- Francine Hardaway
They are protecting the interests of the corporation they are part of.
- Aron Michalski
the chap gave me a channel list, and I had no idea which show is on which channel, as I use a DVR
- Kevin Marks
The network blocking/non-neutrality actions of the providers will be the big issue.
- Aron Michalski
Basic TV and Fat pipe for Google TV is what I have.
- cliveb
I get 22 channels over_the_air.
- coldbrew
AT&T would give me free install only if I chose a TV package. I'll cancel it.
- Kevin Marks
Even the Time-Warner on demand has half of the primetime offerings, then you have to shift to a different provider on their internet connection to watch Fox/ABC on demand.
- Aron Michalski
make a good app and pay 30% and relinquish your direct relationship with the customer ..... any thoughts on this ??
- studentforce
The cable company bundling packages are non-sensical.
- coldbrew
espn3 is an exception for sports games....watched bowl games that I couldnt get with my limited basic
- dlature
It is signatory issues... Robert is right until the production structure of content is changed to incorporate ads/retail in (and hypervideo will do this) they will shift over to the new model... and like Apple, as they just set the precedent, they will take a piece of the revenue from integrated retail).
- davidlee
It's the value of intent over the value of "cache" there was a story earlier this week of a girl who sells 100,000 copies of her fiction through kindle without a publisher
- Stephen Pickering
Yes, she writes vampire crap for teens, apparently.
- coldbrew
The Last Mile is so important, and Comcast is my only choice
- Stephen Pickering
Coldbrew, yeah I didn't see what she writes, still its interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: I agree, just pointing it out for those that don't know.
- coldbrew
WiMAX last mile, what happened?
- cliveb
How about fiber for the last mile?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!!??!
- Stephen Pickering
ZipTV, love it
- Kevin Marks
cliveb: tech issues. Spectrum is still valuable.
- coldbrew
Superbowl parties, Oscar parties
- Kevin Marks
No Reservations
- Jim Posner
Comcast keeps sending me notices about DLing Bill Maher shows (like I don't know I'm DL ing them)>
- coldbrew
What? Bill Maher is on HBO. Huh?
- Stephen Pickering
Idol on HD; kinda like manchego Cheetos.
- Aron Michalski
Last mile spectrum issues need FCC solution (Fat Pipe, Fat Chance)
- cliveb
Comcast needs HBO exactly like iOS needs Amazon and Google.
- Stephen Pickering
I found the 720p quality on AppleTV better than the HD on the DVR - less compressed looking
- Kevin Marks
AJE shows there is a market for serious news on devices. I hope startups move into this space.
- Jim Posner
Yes. But, they are getting DMCAs from HBO b/c im on the torrent (and so are ~300 other people).
- coldbrew
Ah, IC.
- Stephen Pickering
news consumption is always "bursty"
- Jim Posner
Apple's pricing is simply stunning. It's flabbergasting the market.
- coldbrew
JohnB echos Eric Ries #leanstartup learn from MVP (min value prod)
- cliveb
lovin' the Chartbeat possibilities & Borthwick is right it is about complex television / film production structure.
- davidlee
coldbrew: Did you mean flummoxing the market?
- Alex de Soto
de Soto: Perhaps.
- coldbrew
This has always been about art. What's the point in having the hardware unless you're creating content of interest?
- Aron Michalski
I have to choose the ipad for the same reason I've chosen the custom machine up 'til this point.
- coldbrew
Robert's right
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: My thoughts EXACTLY. The Kinect is definitely a top-notch product. Thing is that Kinect is a Prime Sense development.
- Nir Ben Yona
I think they could build the company around Kinect
- Francine Hardaway
xPad x everything
- Stephen Pickering
A whole company around a UI component?
- coldbrew
I mean re-build the company by letting those old divisions die
- Francine Hardaway
And yes, a whole company around UI. That is what APple's doing
- Francine Hardaway
Or maybe it's UX. At bottom, that's what all companies are built around
- Francine Hardaway
The innovator's dilemma is alive and well.
- coldbrew
Give me a tool to create. Give me a tool that will push me beyond my current work. The pen, the typewriter, the computer. The will to write and the ability to say something has to be there; the tool can take you to the next level.
- Aron Michalski
Talked about Roku+Amazon Prime yet?
- Denise Howell
Enterprise can use Kinect to videoconference
- Francine Hardaway
my boys are playing minecraft, not xbox
- Kevin Marks
xBoxes in the break room of the enterprise
- Stephen Pickering
big xbox user myself..wish it had youtube and a browser
- Jim Posner
Could MS build a Kinect device to plug into an iPad that's connected to an HD monitor?
- Alex de Soto
I want Prezi as a real iPad app...
- Kevin Marks
Marks: I have to believe your kids are above average. Not to be a snob about it.
- coldbrew
wish apple tv ran iOS or had safari
- Jim Posner
sure, I'm scobleing... but MineCraft is a huge phenomenon - Google should fund an Android port
- Kevin Marks
the browser doesn't work on the TV
- Jamie
I thought the PS3 had a browser that worked pretty well.
- Jim Posner
i'm not even convinced apps will
- Jamie
I have a PS3 and browsing on it is just terrible Jim. control pad as an input device really isn't ideal
- Jamie
ffs, everyone send your good health vibes to Borthwick.
- coldbrew
really wish I could browse on my iPad and flick to the tv
- Jim Posner
The Apple iOS device platform is also very adaptable or extendable. Medical devices, sensors, etc. will easily hook up. I'm sure Android and MS will move in that direction.
- Alex de Soto
the Quick Bar
- Jamie
shows you trends and promoted tweets
- Jamie
new Twitter App on Android UX blows
- cliveb
i agree Robert....hate it
- dlature
annoying ...really annoying
- davidlee
it's so annoying .. moved to echofon
- Naor Mark
Totally agree with Robert. A petition has been created to remove this http://www.petitionspot.com/petitio...
- Mark Krynsky
it is very instrusive.
- dlature
Tweetdeck for Android; good stuff.
- Aron Michalski
it will be gone. If we all hate it they will kill it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Seesmic for Android got a nice update this week
- Kevin Marks
Robert will pay for the rest of us.
- Aron Michalski
Borthwick reminds me of the trade federation from Dune :)
- coldbrew
sry man
- coldbrew
Hate that part of the new Twitter app too. They did add some interesting features though. You can turn "Ignore local trends" in the settings and turn off pinstripes, whatever that is.
- Alex de Soto
I was happily using the official Twitter client until this update and I'm sure that myself and others will now explore all the 3rd party alternatives again....not good for them.
- Mark Krynsky
Hillary says VoA should become more like AJE. Wonder if the US could produce a credible network.
- Jim Posner
I really like the new Echofon Pro.
- Nir Ben Yona
Hey! I just turned off pinstripes and local trends and the little black bar went away!
- Alex de Soto
The spice must flow.
- coldbrew
Time to check out Seesmic or Echofon (easier than petitions)
- cliveb
Interesting Alex...I turned off local trends yesterday but it had no effect. Pinstripes I didn't try but will now.
- Mark Krynsky
Oh no! The little black bar didn't really go away. :( Sorry Mark
- Alex de Soto
local trends are an optional setting.
- Mark Krynsky
Do the deal sites have twitter feeds with substance?
- coldbrew
Mine doesn't have it, guess I haven't updated yet
- Stephen Pickering
pinstripes
- Aron Michalski
it doesn't remove it, just make the annoyance local :)
- Naor Mark
Yep! Sorry. I thought I'd give it a shot.
- Alex de Soto
No Alex...those settings do not kill the bar...
- Mark Krynsky
PER device.
- Aron Michalski
it makes the annoyance less local
- Kevin Marks
People that pay more than $55/ device for 3g are lost.
- coldbrew
Right Kevin
- Alex de Soto
right. and i agree with Nir, echofon looks nice...
- Naor Mark
I use Echofon on mac now
- Kevin Marks
Get better, Borthwick.!
- coldbrew
Mobile = combining life with technology, creativity with technology, a huge boost in productivity.
- Stephen Pickering
Pick it up at the Austin store..maybe I can help..walking distance from me Robert.
- Jim Posner
I checked our echofon for mac but it doesn't work well with Hebrew (important for me) i'm using YoruFukurou mainly
- Naor Mark
Scoble: If you talk about apps anymore, I'm coming to your house to shut you up :)
- coldbrew
Obviously, kidding
- coldbrew
apps Schmapps, we need web too. ditto needs a web app
- Kevin Marks
Kevin...and Android!
- Mark Krynsky
ditto
- Jamie
Marks: You are always the voice of reason here.
- coldbrew
YoruFukurou - tongue twister
- cliveb
Thank you Doc, Thank you Kevin, John and Steve!
- Aron Michalski
Thanks, as always, you guys.
- coldbrew
(and Tina...)
- Aron Michalski
Almost inspired to buy iPad 2, but living in hope GoogleIO gifts a Tablet
- cliveb
I'll get one but not when the store opens.
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Aron. We're both behind the scenes kind of guys, aren't we?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Is FF considered the chat room or Ustream? Don't see a chatroom option in Ustream page.
- beersage
FF is the chat.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, was there an ep last week?
- beersage
Yup!
- Robert Scoble
Steve and Tina, waiting for your call...
- Robert Scoble
I'm on a desktop now, but how do you find the show on the Ustream Viewer App on iOS? I searched Gillmor Gang and Newsgang, no results
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I hate the Ustream viewer. I can never find anything on it.
- Robert Scoble
and with a crazy cough, we're live!
- Michael Breslin
If you access the http://www.building43.com/realtim... there is a scrolling chat to the right of the window.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: Me too! heheh
- Stephen Pickering
Did it snow in SF?
- Alex de Soto
"If Apple does anything to restrict the amount of content available on the iPad. Game over. They lose." - @Ihnatko
- Stephen Pickering
That sounded like an analog phone ringing on Scoble's desk... a rotary?
- Andrew Hazlett
yes Alex: http://youtu.be/peP53ULq3mo
- Kevin Marks
normal people don't use flipboard
- Andrew Hazlett
The only apps I use are Twitter, Browser, Gmail, Kindle, Netflix, Instagram. I buy games, but I grow tired of them
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, but Robert, for instance the Ustream App is not as good as the web experience
- Stephen Pickering
aside from NPR i'd rather have a website of any newspaper than their silly apps
- Andrew Hazlett
well, Scoble's iPad probably looks like a treadmill on speed.
- Aron Michalski
If podcasting was dead nobody would want audio only.
- Michael Breslin
what's the "audio" for that, Steve?
- dlature
Fuck Normal.
- Aron Michalski
Wednesday = incremental upgrade.
- Michael Breslin
Does the iPad rub your belly and explain the things you don't understand?
- Aron Michalski
I AM SO NORMAL
- Richard
Trolls!
- Stephen Pickering
If you don't know what normal is, don't use the term.
- Aron Michalski
Aron: OK.
- Robert Scoble
Will the new iPad have a Thunderbolt port?
- Alex de Soto
49999 ipads and 1 xoom to scoble
- Michael Breslin
Or Mainstream
- Stephen Pickering
Under the influential...
- Aron Michalski
Alex - and / or iPhone 5?
- Jerome Hughes
True Wrist was a disappointing demo. Would've had a wow factor had the guy brought a headcam so the audience could see from his perspective.
- beersage
is there a point?
- Laura Norvig
How about @Room_77?
- Alberto Saavedra
I uploaded to youtube this week http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
The comments were just mindblowingly Techcrunchy.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin is that a tummel show? I'm sorry I missed the Jeff Jarvis episode
- Stephen Pickering
does it have a black light setting?
- Aron Michalski
Anyone Tracking the Social Revolution Communications out of the Middle East?
- Arnie Klaus
The CIA is just padding their budget.
- Aron Michalski
no, that's my puppies. http://tummelvision.tv is audio only
- Kevin Marks
I was hoping the Macbooks would be solid state or at least Hybrid
- Stephen Pickering
the *new
- Stephen Pickering
the Air's are solid state, and the macbooks have an option
- Kevin Marks
mostly nonsense
- Michael Breslin
When Netflix mails me a DVD do they pay a fee to the producer every time it is rented, as well as having purchased the DVD?
- Stephen Pickering
AFAIK no, Stephen, they rely on first sale doctrine.
- Kevin Marks
Pickering: No. First Sale Doctrine.
- coldbrew
too slow :)
- coldbrew
ssd mtbf isn't much lower than mechanical drives, for one
- Michael Breslin
for two they're new enough that they haven't been running long enough to really know
- Michael Breslin
What is first sale doctrine?
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks Coldbrew
- Stephen Pickering
:)
- coldbrew
I just finished paying off my iPad I!
- Stephen Pickering
My iPad has been crashing a lot lately. Is Objective C a faulty or "archaic" language? I've heard that from some corners.
- Stephen Pickering
Keep the kids working in iPod City...
- Aron Michalski
same price
- Arnie Klaus
no way lower, same price
- Michael Breslin
they didn't have such a lead there, Robert
- Jerome Hughes
no competition
- Arnie Klaus
i'd buy 2 if they were 100$
- Michael Breslin
Apple won't even sell you a cable for less than $100.
- Laura Norvig
heck, they're selling 3GS's for $50 now...
- Aron Michalski
I've got enough contracts, thanks.
- coldbrew
SSD Performance - declines: http://bit.ly/em2EQ1 - probably mostly refuted by the manufacturers now
- John Taschek
Costs in rare materials (screen, etc.) will keep the price up.
- Arnie Klaus
$50 with contract isn't $50
- Kevin Marks
If they are taking 30 per cent they ought to give them away!
- Stephen Pickering
Will probably start at $399.
- Alex de Soto
Why should they make less money? Bose Factor.
- Aron Michalski
Original will be $299
- Stephen Pickering
Who's keeping the spreadsheet with these predictions?
- coldbrew
more unit for same prices, as with Mac revs
- Jerome Hughes
Lower current version so they can sell till the 2 ships
- Arnie Klaus
unlocked no-contract Androids are sub $100 http://armdevices.net/2011...
- Kevin Marks
John correct answer is $299
- Stephen Pickering
John: that article is 2 years old nobody had been running ssds for any length of time by then, benchmarks by people who've now had the drives for a couple years mostly show similar performance
- Michael Breslin
(i have 8x256gb crucial c300 in raid 0 for a year now)
- Michael Breslin
can't afford either. Rich man's game.
- Aron Michalski
I'm not sold on SSDs yet, I need more info.
- coldbrew
Stephen - $299 sounds reasonable.
- John Taschek
Is there a futures or hedge market here?
- Arnie Klaus
Price comparison by consumers will be between Nook and Xoom. So I'm sticking with $399 starting price. Maybe $299 for iPad 1.
- Alex de Soto
yes.
- Aron Michalski
Need to get the student (classroom) model price established.
- Arnie Klaus
Why people ignore total cost of ownership is beyond me.
- coldbrew
200!
- Michael Breslin
I bought a new imac for the i7 and it doesn't seem to run any better than my 2008 iMac. I think SSD is the most important factor
- Stephen Pickering
what is the average 4 phone/unit cell phone bill per month?
- Aron Michalski
TCO has been gamed too much and that's mainly why it is ignored.
- John Taschek
If Scoble's the future, not sure I want to go there, ha ha
- Andrew Hazlett
Technical discussion of SSD - block write performance - http://bit.ly/gwjxP1
- John Taschek
I would like a verizon LTE mifi to serve as my portable router for Scoble-style array of devices
- Andrew Hazlett
Aren't you able to surf and talk on Verizon if you're on Wifi and 3G at the same time?
- Alex de Soto
pantslessness ftw
- Laura Norvig
Andrew: heh.
- Robert Scoble
I would like for there to be some competition to Comcast so that we all get fiber to our home
- Stephen Pickering
Aron: I pay more for my cell phones than most people pay for a car payment every month.
- Robert Scoble
Is Google *ever* going to announce their 1Gig fiber test site?
- Andrew Hazlett
World domination is all about making products much more affordable. iPad 1 for $299 and iPad 2 for $499 (considering the fact that screen is going to remain the same).
- Nir Ben Yona
it's been announced Andrew. Stanford housing gonna get it first
- greg hines
John: 1 year ago http://goo.gl/RXCGE
- Michael Breslin
It's never over.
- coldbrew
Saw lots of Iphones in revolution clips.
- Arnie Klaus
John: not long ago: http://goo.gl/LxMXm
- Michael Breslin
Monster name = add 30%
- Aron Michalski
and believe me I abuse my drives
- Michael Breslin
Michael - very interesting. Amazing really.
- John Taschek
WIll Apple add free Mobile Me for all iOS devices next week?
- Alex de Soto
new product opportunity - 12v to multi USB car charging hub
- Jerome Hughes
Glad I'm childless.
- Aron Michalski
Monster name - I think the market is 300 percent markup! At least at Best Buy
- John Taschek
Free the MObilME!
- Arnie Klaus
John: wear leveling in the newer controllers pretty much makes for no degrading, at the very least it's so small as to not be noticeable for many years
- Michael Breslin
John; in my biz, they send us guitar cables for free, we cut off the gold connectors and mail them back to the President.
- Aron Michalski
Let's talk about whether Apple will execute a successful Cloud Strategy. Even Gruber says if they don't the iPad will always be a toy
- Stephen Pickering
data center in NC for Mobile Me http://www.businessreviewusa.com/industr...
- Jerome Hughes
everything i read says ipad in the enterprise is on the rise, so I don't see the toy thing holding water
- Michael Breslin
Aron: if ya got a spare or two... :D
- Jerome Hughes
Interested in if Thunderbolt will be usable with Pro Tools, all the blurb is video based.
- Aron Michalski
80 percent of the enterprises have adopted iPad in some way. http://aol.it/equk0v
- John Taschek
Kind of squashes the toy theory
- Michael Breslin
John: That article says 80% of Fortune 100's, or 80 companies
- Richard
immolation exit.
- Aron Michalski
my life became poorer when Steve stopped producing a podcast feed for the show :(
- Jamie
"Podcasting is dead." --Steve Gillmor
- Michael Breslin
here's a not inexpensive iOS app for... http://www.lextechlabs.com/product...
- Jerome Hughes
podcasting is suiting http://tummelvision.tv pretty well; way more listeners to the podcast than live
- Kevin Marks
it bumped our content-rich site up a lot. I'm happy with it.
- Laura Norvig
everybody loves a bargain; besides Apple fan boys.
- Aron Michalski
live streaming is great, but the feed helps as a fallback
- Jamie
Leo has it right.
- Jamie
Kevin: I didn't say I agreed, I was just quoting, podcasting is mainly for time shifting which is why I prefer it over streaming.
- Michael Breslin
Jamie: Leo is right about what?
- Robert Scoble
the point of groupon is not that you will like most of them, but that once or twice a year you will find the awesome deal that you just have to have.
- Laura Norvig
That said if there is content I want to get bad enough I'll make myself available, so here I am!
- Michael Breslin
they're hardly random
- Jerome Hughes
I mean, his setup is the right way. stream the show but get the content out everywhere; podcast, youtube, reruns etc
- Jamie
Just like QVC's daily value
- Kevin Marks
KMart Blue Light Special on demand? But it must work - you can't argue with $890M in revs.
- John Taschek
of course, I ended up unsubbing to groupon email notifications due to the noise ...
- Laura Norvig
:-)
- Jamie
stereo Steves
- Jerome Hughes
caught red handed :)
- beersage
I like the GG setup :)
- coldbrew
podcast is track :)
- Jamie
IF YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE NETWORK.
- Aron Michalski
Laura - I'm sure I'll click on a Groupon ad once in my life.
- John Taschek
Blockbuster went chap 11 months ago
- coldbrew
Oh Yeah Datasift!
- Stephen Pickering
John, I got some great ice cream with it.
- Laura Norvig
The only problem with @mentions is the Spam
- Stephen Pickering
what did twitter release? missed that
- beersage
Steve people listen to podcasts most during driving time, I can't go to youtube while driving.
- Michael Breslin
"Not obscured by clouds."
- Aron Michalski
I can't imagine Scoble could have notifications on
- Stephen Pickering
yea, @mentions brings me in all kinds of oddity because it's very eager of a search
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
60 viewers!!!! the few, the proud, the pantsless.
- Laura Norvig
Laura N: Its snowing here, so we all wear pants.
- coldbrew
Earthlink
- Jamie
Yeah I wanted to make that case the other day and forgot: Robert: STOP HATING ON NORMAL PEOPLE WE NEED THEM TO CLICK THE ADS SO WE GET EVERYTHING FOR FREE!
- Michael Breslin
I got ipad spam when I mentioned Twitter & FB in a tweet. <_<
- beersage
Michael: good point! But they aren't watching here so won't get pissed.
- Robert Scoble
TIME SHIFTING
- Michael Breslin
That's why you jailbreak, so you can make your own hosts file.
- coldbrew
This is a Realtime Conversational Frontier.
- Arnie Klaus
streaming = if you're not connected to the network you're fucked
- Michael Breslin
chat is too funny
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Some of us don't have 24/7 connection to the network; that's the reality.
- Aron Michalski
an embedded player isn't a podcast?
- Andrew Hazlett
Use a carrier pigeon :)
- coldbrew
brick & mortar that bought the Groupon backer duo's dotcom (where was then) in '00 declared Chapter 11 in '01
- Jerome Hughes
youtube2mp3
- Michael Breslin
I am a normal person.
- Kathleen Hassinger
Andrew, no, not in my book.
- Laura Norvig
If you never leave the house or a major urban area (or leave the country) I guess you're cool.
- Aron Michalski
just coincidence that sri can be shuffled into rsi
- Michael Breslin
Englebart
- Jerome Hughes
Earnings looked good anyway.
- coldbrew
Jerome: I got into Englebart's office.
- Robert Scoble
surprised Apple released Lion/MBPs this week. An event for an iPad speed bump is going to be a little dry.
- Jamie
I'm missing Englebart and Ted Nelson at PDA today :(
- Kevin Marks
nice... that's a great video with him by Cringely
- Jerome Hughes
But my favorite is meeting the team that studies failure of materials (like plane skins, bulletproof glass, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Englebart is my hero. The dude is so smart. But he's getting slow lately. Isn't he 83 now?
- Robert Scoble
Laura N, if podcasting is only rss served stuff via iTunes, then I don't see much of a future in it, but making audio and/or video content available in lots of places, including iTunes, that's a different matter entirely
- Andrew Hazlett
Kevin: gotta read Ted Nelson
- Jerome Hughes
Who is Englebart? I know I know Scoble will say, "There's this thing called Google..." heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
invented mouse
- Jerome Hughes
thats why RSS is dead
- Jamie
I count on my friends who are 3 days behind.
- Aron Michalski
ah, why does this sidebar scroll so far down past the video
- beersage
the mouse is dead
- Rob La Gesse
in other words if you miss it when scoble is the first to tweet it, you'll get it later when everyone else catches up
- Michael Breslin
Englebart invented the gui and the mouse in 1968
- Kevin Marks
Englebart Humperdink
- Stephen Pickering
or even earlier but didn't tell anyone http://www.archive.org/details...
- Jerome Hughes
jeez, Scobles stream comes in quick.
- Jamie
Rob: but is pointing, or not using only the command line
- Jerome Hughes
Englebart was at Interval Research when I worked there (I was a lowly temp, but still got to meet him).
- Laura Norvig
Track was infinitely more interesting, totally random sometimes.
- Aron Michalski
The signal : noise on twitter was much greater then.
- coldbrew
Anyone read Dealers of Lightning? - About the beginnings of Xerox.
- John Taschek
Looking for patterns in the noise.
- Arnie Klaus
watch the noise and when I see something brilliant it stands out -- Robert
- Jerome Hughes
Francine gets on the Gang in the weirdest ways
- Jerome Hughes
Patterns in the noise is a key issue.
- John Taschek
I look for noise in the patterns.
- Rob La Gesse
Ted streaming?
- Arnie Klaus
How much does it cost to watch TED on TV?
- Andrew Hazlett
lots, Andrew
- Kevin Marks
his concept for watching the weight of posts on FF was brilliant; too bad everyone ran away.
- Aron Michalski
I'm "Wiretapping" this episode of GG. I can put it on my server for listening or download unless Steve or TC minds
- Stephen Pickering
Andrew: I think it's about $1,500 for 10 people.
- Robert Scoble
robert what client is that that gives you a stream of tweets in its own seemingly borderless window
- Michael Breslin
that's Twitter for Mac
- Jamie
formerly Tweetie
- Jamie
cool thanks
- Michael Breslin
Stephen, you got last week's ep?
- beersage
TED Webcast costs $500
- Rob La Gesse
Rob is right.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin knows what normal is.
- Aron Michalski
Michael: that's Twitter's own Mac app, available in the Mac app store.
- Robert Scoble
i'd rather be served ads than pay
- beersage
beersage, nope I didn't think of it until today
- Stephen Pickering
and wait till April.
- Aron Michalski
Social Network by a mile
- Stephen Pickering
I'd rather see no ads and pay a few bucks :)
- coldbrew
Inception
- Kevin Marks
I was a little disappointed by Social Network. watched it last week. good but thought it would be better given the hype.
- Jamie
Toy Story 3 is in the running, yes
- Rob La Gesse
This is my TV
- Arnie Klaus
Definitely The King's Speech.
- Nir Ben Yona
And Justin Bieber too.
- Aron Michalski
here's a list, Steve... http://twitter.com/jromeh...
- Jerome Hughes
I used to watch tv in the 90s...those were the days.
- coldbrew
I just watch the ads
- Arnie Klaus
Great movie but not relevant to today as Social Network is
- Stephen Pickering
True Grit
- Aron Michalski
Klaus: :)
- coldbrew
Should vs. will is always the big distinction in Oscar picks
- Andrew Hazlett
slightly disappointed in Toy Story 3
- greg hines
shouldn't be it was excellent
- Michael Breslin
Marks: I can IM it to you if you want :)
- coldbrew
Tell mike we love him
- Arnie Klaus
IM me what? True Grit?
- Kevin Marks
Hey with Thunderbolt he could IM you True Grit!
- Stephen Pickering
Award pause.
- Aron Michalski
Yes, sorry.
- coldbrew
Or whatever its called :)
- Stephen Pickering
The sound on one Ipad clapping.
- Arnie Klaus
award pause on Oscars...
- Jerome Hughes
til next time folks.
- Jamie
cheers
- Andrew Hazlett
Nice find.
- John Taschek
I made a copy of today's episode that you can listen or right click and download audio only here: http://friendfeed.com/stephen...
- Stephen Pickering
Y Combinator founder: There is no tech bubble - http://venturebeat.com/2011...
Oguz Serdar, Victor Ganata, Jimminy, CoG of FF and 4 other people liked this
Agree with this 100%.
- Louis Gray
Was there a spoon?
- Micah
There is no spoon.
- Louis Gray
Phew!
- Micah
I personally think that a large number of the valuations, aren't appropriate, and are often higher than they should be. Facebook is the one company, that I think is undervalued, by 2-4x, though.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Apparently Google CEO sees signs of Internet bubble: report http://j.mp/hpV5Db :-)
- victed
BUBBLE!
- Louis Gray
NO BUBBLE!
- Louis Gray
Quora <- Bubble Valuation
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Twitter <- Possible Bubble Valuation
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Facebook <- Valued at risk.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
IPO? Most no. Acquisition? More likely.
- Louis Gray
Pandora <- This has a failed IPO all over it.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Definitely a bubble! More sophisticated, though.
- Nir Ben Yona
Jimminy, did I ever tell you about the time I filed for IPO in 2007 and withdrew it in 2008? True story.
- Louis Gray
No, I don't think so Louis; you must tell me about this.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Google spent $1.8 billion to buy 48 companies last year.. so no bubble. :-)
- victed
Cristo, the government spent billions on healthcare last year... so nobody is sick. :)
- Louis Gray
ha ha
- victed
No bubble we're just getting started. Facebook one trillion market cap 2020.
- Thomas Power
Word of the day: Triumvirate.
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That was so 12 months ago, but it's always a good word. ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Decemvirate
- Alex Scrivener
@Jimminy: what happened 12 months ago? @Alex: nice one!
- Nir Ben Yona
It happened to be the word of the day for me last year too. ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Gotcha!
- Nir Ben Yona
WOW. Today's Calendar looks like a great Facebook app http://www.facebook.com/album...
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This is how the printed Facebook calendar looks! It's big, measures 12.6x18.1" (32x46cm) and is bound with a spiral and hook for wall hanging! Printed by www.iPrintUp.com on glossy 250gr paper. It's an ultra-high quality, deluxe calendar. Buy it at a super-low price, worldwide delivery: click the "Buy now" link on the page "Create calendar" in the application.
- Zu from AOD
Thanks for the tip mate!
- Nir Ben Yona
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