It's amazing how quickly this band disappeared amid their initial hype. I think their album will still be considered one of 2008's best, but I question whether that means very much anymore. - blackmailismylife
well their show was mobbed last night. their fans are still into them - Fred Wilson
They still make fantastic music. I hope they make it to a sophomore album, love to see what happens. They've got a very distinct sound, which is more than I can say for most of the indie rock world... - felix
he was definitely determined to capture the atrocities as accurately as possible - I hope to never be able to understand how humans can commit acts like those portrayed. There is a vast difference between conventional warfare in defense of one's family or country and the sadomasochism on display in many parts of the world. - Marco
Son of Rambow was pretty good--no actual death, just near death. - Vezquex
@marco "he was definitely determined to capture the atrocities as accurately as possible" Was that the intent? Did he say that in an interview? - Jeremiah Owyang
check out some old john woo movies, like Hardboiled or Killers. Hardboiled's opening is probably the 10 most perfect minutes of movie action as have ever been put on film. - felix
Saw this at the opening in LA (and I seriously think one of the signs in the movie was Arial). But cute, anyway. The font jokes were flying that night. - Michael Herf
Loved this movie, I think it's surprisingly accessible even for non-typography nerds. - felix
“If it matters to anyone who decides to visit an obscure little blog called WinExtra you will notice that all my posts from June 20th onward are missing courtesy of my hosting company apparently misplacing them during a server transfer.”
right now I am so fucking mad I could spit - not only has this affected the blog(s) but also the WinExtra forums. I cxan only hope that somehow they get this fixed ... I need a coffee ..... - Steven Hodson
Wow, Stephen, that really sucks. They should be all over trying to fix the problem if they're at all reasonable. Good luck! - Voyagerfan5761
I wondered about that Steven. Saw all the FF comments re: the podcast and was going to check it out. But couldn't land on the page. - Hutch Carpenter
Can they at least confirm that they are recoverable? That's like bush league stuff right there. Get it restored and get out as soon as you can. - Mark Trapp
Please name that hosting company. I'm going to get around to starting a new blog one of these days and am looking for a good host. - AJ Kohn
@Voyagerfan .. right now I can tell they are working on the email end of it because I am being flooded with what is now dupes of my email for the past two weeks .. maybe I should get something stronger to put in this coffee. - Steven Hodson
wow, that is awful. :( When things are back if you're running wordpress you should try the plugin that mails you backups of your db. I have them sent to a gmail account and it's good peace of mind. - felix
@Hutch sorry about that ... and people wonder why I get cranky :) - Steven Hodson
Damn, Steven. That is horrible. I'm with AJ. I wanna know who this is. - Rahsheen Porter
to be fair they have been good to me in the past moving me from a shared server setup to a new cluster server setup with no extra fees being charged. But since that point I have been having problems on and off. Hopefully they will be able to get this all fixed up and things will go back to normal. @Mark as much as I might like to move hosts it is something I can't afford at this point. - Steven Hodson
@Susan I don't have those kind of financial resources to just up an switch unfortunately. In addition to the above they did send out an email notifying me of the transfer and not to be posting anything for a period of time as it might get lost ROFL .. would be nice if they wouldn't lose what I've already posted ... so I sit here with fingers crossed .. this is going to be a long day - Steven Hodson
wow that sucks steven - hope they can fix. - MG Siegler
This is why I run a cron job that emails a MySQL and WP backup to one of my gmail accounts every night. Good luck with the recovery! - Bill Sodeman via fftogo
wow, that's really cool! Can they do that to mine :p - Rob Diana
Blog Backup Online dot com. I'm just saying. - Cyndy
Oh wow. Sorry to hear that Steven, that's seriously uncool! I'd be going over the contract fine print right about now. - J. Phil
Cyndy - is this blogbackuponline place legit? - J. Phil
J. Phil Very legit. I will vouch for them personally... it's a service from Techrigy, which also produces SM2. - Cyndy
"The speed limit was repealed in 1995 when crude oil dipped to $17 a barrel and gasoline cost $1.10 a gallon ... this Fourth of July weekend, gasoline averaged $4.10 a gallon nationwide, with oil hovering around $145 a barrel. " - Wow, that puts it in perspective. - Gary Bacon II
I read an article before which said at $4/gallon, every 5 MPH over 60 MPH essentially adds 20 cents to the price of gas. - Scott Watermasysk
Funny thread comment re: the constitution in there. I can hear Jimmy Carter's energy crisis speech now..."by 1981 this nation will be free of it's dependence on foreign oil..." Er, I think not. - BISQ
In the words of Sammy Haggar, "I can't drive 55." - alanoakes
Is 55 some magic number? None of the changes in engine technology or whatever in the past 30 years affects that point of efficiency? Just curious and a little surprised. - felix
Want some real perspective? My 2000 Pontiac Grand Am averaged 26 MPG. The Model A Ford... 26 MPG. Figure that one out. - Brian Norwood
55 is actually a magic number, felix. Actually 60mph. In wind tunnel tests, most cars' fuel efficiency drops off severely over 60mph. - J. Phil
I find this statistic slightly depressing actually. I wonder what the bell curve is for global weight in terms of body mass index or something. - J. Phil
Clearly we need a better fat distribution algorithm. - felix
kind of reminds me of the Digg algorithm.... we try and fix the hunger algorithm and promote people to the well fed page and we clearly over do it. - Stefan Hayden
"Yup, although I don't use them, I believe that ping.fm may be what you're looking for. Also, I think gnipcentral.com may also be (or at least one day be) the thing that does this. Not all services, of course, but more or less..." - felix
Jeremy, I never would. It shouldn't be a one or the other proposition anyway...indeed, that's how the story in that direction happened. - Duncan Riley
Duncan is so talented on many fronts. Re: Excluding Techcrunch (or running out of space). Controversy sells. Mike Arrington is a master of the headline tweak, jab pull. It takes many forms. - Alex Hammer
thanks for including WinExtra duncan - I appreciate that - Steven Hodson
no probs Steve. As I mention in the post, if anyone has more ideas for page/ content let me know. Surely there must be a combination out there that will offer a quick look at a given topic that isn't being served by an existing service (the memes page here meets that for me...very handy) - Duncan Riley
Oddly when so many think of great music from the bay Area-they tend to think mainly on SF side. Oakland had some awesome talent-DU, Tower of Power,Sheila E, Sly and the Family Stone, The Pointer Sisters, Tupac and many others. - Mark Forman
I am prepared to pay any of you a substantial sum of money (okay $5) if my wife never finds out about this. There's an extra $20 if it doesn't show up on Netflix. - Harvey Simmons
“I DESPISE companies that can not get it together enough to offer online bill pay. I feel no remorse when I forget the pay the trash company for a month or two. ”
That's the only check I ever write, is to the City for the water bill. Sometimes they get consecutive numbers 3 months in a row and I always pay it late, too. - Trish Robinson
Our trash/water/electric are all offer online bill pay. I think at this point, anyone that isn't is out of touch. - Michelle Martinez
hah, I agree with you but have also discovered said companies also feel no remorse shutting off service. :) - felix
I look *awesome* in my bikini. Wait did I say that out loud? - felix
s'kay felix .. like Michael said "Pics or it didn't happen" :) and if you have 'em we don't want to see them - Steven Hodson
Michael and Nathan are correct. If a woman wears a bikini in a forest and no one posts a picture on Flickr philosophers are unsure if it really happened. - RAPatton
for me it's easier. I like twitter more casue it's on twitter that I first experienced microblogging. You don't just have to "not suck" if you want me to move, you have to give me something totally different. Like.. Friendfeed? :) - Simone
I don't see that as trolling. Identi.ca was supposed to be "the competitor" for Twitter. The site itself is messy, subscriptions are weird, the tracking ability is lacking. I never cared for Pownce at all and Plurk looks like something a kid painted in kindergarten. - Candace Holly
I like it because you get the excitement of never knowing when it's gonna work - Blackopsmanners
i sorta agree, twitter usage seems to be resilient to fail-whale's mystic powers. loyal loyal base.. - Ruben Llibre
Twitter has the right user experience but the wrong internal architecture. The other sites don't even have the former and from what I've seen they don't have the latter either. Identi.ca seems to be amateur city as does Pownce. Plurk was too ugly to try out and no one I know uses Jaiku. - Dare Obasanjo
Jaiku is a pain to join, but the conversation features are nice. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Maybe it is just me, but I don't look at identi.ca to compete with Twitter. Rather it is more about what might be possible from an open source perspective when you're able to make multiple microblogging sites work together. I'm not looking for a "Twitter killer" from it, rather some real technology innovation for distributed microblogging. - David Recordon
plurk is only "ugly".. so why not use just the mobile version. - thecolor
I too enjoy the vertical layout over the horizontal, but prefer the threads in plurk and "stability" over twitters "just tweet". - thecolor
plurk is more of a game as well as a communicative social network. Twitter, feels more like a "statement made" only type of SN. - thecolor
@David Recordon +1. In fact, you truly are a visionary. +2. - Andy C
Isn't it also because FriendFeed lacks whatever it is that Twitter gets right? - blackmailismylife
I agree with David. I think its going to be more about supporting the people that are contributing to the development of a new way of doing Tweet like micro-blogging. - Chacha via twhirl
@blackmailismylife: FriendFeed isn't constrained to 140 chars. Twitter/Jaiku/Pownce/Identi.ca are. What some would see as a feature, others see as a restriction. Sometimes, you need to be constrained to 140 chars. Less is more. - Andy C
Much as I find Scoble the arse-hole of the A-Lister Blogger body, he has a point. Twitter is for all its flaws, the best out there. - Adam Wilcox
I tend to agree. I've tried pownce and din't like it in the least. Twitter is simple and easy. They just need to get their issues fixed. - Richard Miles
Seems to be the way things go. We stick with whatever "sucks less." - Jason Shultz via twhirl
People stick with Twitter because Twitter has the community and the cool API applications. - possible248
@Andy Apples and Oranges. This has been discussed to death but friendfeed doesn't fill the same shoes..er..rackspace as twitter. - Kamath via twhirl
Scoble: What an unpleasant and uncharitable comment to make about Identi.ca, a free service (that will remain free forever, something you are not guaranteed by any of the others that you mention) in early alpha testing. I was already unconvinced by the inexplicable personality cult that you seem to have generated for yourself, but now you've given me the last reason I needed to flip the bozo bit. Thankfully FriendFeed has a button I can use to do that. - Earle Martin
There is a difference between what something is and what it will be. Or what it may be. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Scoble curious what would Bush choose after leaving white house - Fred Grott
I have to agree with @earle on this one, comparing twitter and identi.ca is impossible, identi is very early stages, twitter has been around. I doubt you would compare a alpha release of a program with a final version. As far as the others sucking, how so? I find plurk to be more fun, enlightening, and easier to follow than twitter. - BCK
Identi.ca isn't ready for prime time. It doesn't even keep me logged in. Pownce is good, but no one is there. - Francine Hardaway
BCK: what do you mean we can't compare the two? That's the lamest thing I've read in weeks here. A clone of a service (and that's all that Identi.ca is so far) DAMN STRAIGHT BETTER BE BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL. So far it's not. Why should I pay any of my attention time to it if it isn't going to be as good. And anyone who says that they are different is drinking on this 4th of July. At least Plurk looks different. - Robert Scoble
identi.ca was released prematurely, imho. if they waited til they got *all* twitter functionality working before opening it up, would have been a great Twitter clone. Now, it is struggling. Plurk, otoh, tried to look different with all those ajax thingamagigs but too much ajax is not really good! - Rom Feria
Rom: I totally agree with you. I'm also getting tired of trying all these Twitter clones. FriendFeed proved to me that even if something is better in a lot of respects you'll never get enough people to switch to really matter anyway. - Robert Scoble
But some of these services are a great place to talk to a very small number of people (which makes them fun in of themselves). - Robert Scoble
AndyC: Pownce is very slow and I can't sign into it. Fails to let me in. - Robert Scoble
AndyC: Jaiku? Slow and hard to comment on and I don't like the UI. - Robert Scoble
AndyC: Identi.ca has no way to look at replies, participate in conversations, not to mention no search, no direct messages (even though I hate them), no real community yet, and has lots of bugs like what Francine said. - Robert Scoble
AndyC: Plurk has a UI that 13-year-olds love, but isn't simple to track thousands of people on. - Robert Scoble
Twitter has a huge userbase. But like it or not, many users have moved on to a better Twitter and that's called FriendFeed ;) - Muthu Ramadoss
Replies, privacy, great UI, fast loading, SMS, command line interface, spam control... just for starters... this is why Twitter is still king - Cait
I think it's still because everyone is still on Twitter, and people get replies easily. None of the other networks have that as much. Twitter is still where the action is, despite all it's downtime and technical issues. People have built up quite big communities there too, so are reluctant to leave easily I think. - jjprojects
The only thing wrong with twitter is it's up time. We all like the service, and the API. If they just solved the DB problems, twitter would be near perfect. - Brian Norwood
"In the end, you can't change your body chemistry. But you can wear one of four Centers for Disease Control approved repellents. Sprays and lotions including DEET, Picaridin, Oil of Lemon Eucalyptus or IR3535 (which has made Avon's Skin-so-Soft lotion a popular choice) have all been deemed effective and safe to keep the bugs at bay." - edythe via Bookmarklet
Mosquitos love me :( I'll wake up in the morning with four bites; my boyfriend next to me will have zero. I can't think of a single redeeming quality about skeeters. Grr. - Jennie Lin via fftogo
they love you two because you are both so sweet - RAPatton
When i was a kid (maybe 4) i used to think that the mosquito gets under your skin (because of the bumps). I used to hammer the mosquito bites with my fists screaming "Die! Die!" - Parth Awasthi
see now, that's the sort of thing my mom would say to try and make it better. because I was so sweet. she also told me I had so many freckles because really, they were angel kisses...and the angels just loved me :D - Erin Kotecki Vest
awww. that is so corny, but it's really cute. - edythe
A friend of mine just started keeping bees. He reckons they like some people okay, but will attack others for no particular reason. Pheromones or something. - john conroy
Stay away from DEET as there is too much mixed research. Skin so Soft is a good choice (the scent can get to me, though). In Haiti, I learned the value of a good sleeping net. Luckily, the skeeters haven't hatched enmass yet here in Mich, giving the festivities of the day a better outlook. Do skeeter eaters actually eat skeeters? - Michael W. May
I've always been the mosquito magnet of whoever I'm with - which sucks because I'm also mildly allergic, even w/out any scratching they blow up on me. Fortunately my wife seems to have slightly sweeter blood and she tends to take the hits for me now. That's why I married her. ;) - felix
Yup. I'm the magnet, and the hubby is not. Even if I don't scratch the bug bites they swell up. **sigh** I stay inside a lot. :P - Cheryl Jones
I've always wondered if it was "regional." For instance, when I first moved to Dallas, it was months before mosquitos would bite me. They would drain other people dry before they even touched me. Sadly, that faded over time. - Harvey Simmons
Oh, and garlic... eat more garlic in summertime. Give and take ;) - Michael W. May via twhirl
Thanks for posting this edythe. I've always wondered about this. My wife will get eaten alive outside, while I often get no bites. Wasn't sure if it was strange luck. - Hutch Carpenter
Two natural repellents - lots of vinegar in the diet, and a few drops of lavender oil behind the ears and on ankles. I hike and kayak a lot, and refuse to use chemical repellents. - Jody Carbone
MWM: you may have something there. I moved here from Louisiana, and I eat a lot less garlic than I used to. This calls for an experiment! - Harvey Simmons
Jody, I've read that vinegar (acetic acid) is actually an alkalizing agent... the article says that mosquitoes are attracted to lactic acid produced as a result of exertion. So increasing your pH makes sense! Now, I'm off to patent my mosquito-repelling, anti-fatigue sports drink... :-D - Karim
my body temp seems to be a little higher than the average bear, but my blood must taste like piss because i hardly get bitten or stung by anything - Cee Bee
edythe, thanks :-) slightly confused now because I'm reading citric acid can substitute for vinegar. citric acid is used mostly in soda pop, which is likewise acid. i hope i just didn't invent the soft drink... lol - Karim
"I haven't co-worked before, but I see the appeal of it. I think it's strange to say that most freelancers work because they can't work with others, from my perspective, ability to get along with others is even more important as a freelancer because your clients are much more likely to walk away than for you to be fired... To me, though, the appeal of co-working is to be working in an environment where others are doing active and interesting stuff in related fields, to again have that sort of face to face camaraderie. Course, I haven't yet because it's easier and cheaper to work from home, but I would like to try it. :)" - felix
interesting. I wonder if their ie6 browser share is significantly less than the 20-30% commonly seen. wish I and my clients could be as cavalier. - felix
Interesting also because 37signals' clients' clients use Basecamp, too. I imagine some people will not like having to tell their clients to upgarde because their supplier decided to drop support. But 37signals always stood for opiononated software so I guess it's a logical step. - Ole Begemann
“I really do dislike Plurk. I'm starting to wonder if the people touting Plurk's virtues just want to be right about Plurk -- versus seeing the reality of Plurk. Thoughts? Am I wrong? If so, tell me. Still contemplating a ZDNet blog on the topic. ”
The threading is really nice, but for some people the simplicity of twitter is much more appealing. - Rob Diana
Look at what's happening on identi.ca. The race for the most amount of followers. Same difference if you ask me. - Bwana McCall
I haven't found Plurk to be usable. The sideways scrolling, the constant "You have an update!" notifications: it gives me a headache. - Mark Trapp
i tried plurk -- a little too bubblegum for me to be honest. plus the karma points make me feel like i'm in some competition. - Cee Bee
I enjoy the threaded conversations while I'm there. Really really easy to have conversations. It took me a week to get used to the timeline, but when I did, I could see the value. It's a totally different animal from Twitter. (literally) - Bwana McCall
I haven't used Plurk THAT much, but it seems to be carving out its niche as a chatty, lightweight application. There's clearly a group of people who really like it. It won't appeal to everyone, but I think it will find its own audience, probably at the expense of Twitter or FriendFeed. Shrug. If nothing else, it shows that people are interested in conversations, just as they have been for the past 20+ years. I will probably be an occasional user at best, but it probably wasn't designed for me either. - Mark Dykeman
I try not to compare it to Twitter and judge it on its own merits. I just feel overwhelmed having to collapse every single thread just to see if I might be interested in the convo. And having to collapse every thread to see if anyone responded to time. I can't even fathom how a business might use it as some folks have suggested. - Jennifer Leggio
Regarding Jennifer's question, I sincerely believe people who say they like Plurk. Of course there are some who simply must be right as that is true with any situation, but the people I've observed and talked to on Plurk use it for meaningful purposes. You hate it and it seems like you hate to see people like it. :) It's not a black and white type thing though. The term "reality" doesn't have a factual meaning here because liking Plurk is purely opinionated. - Bwana McCall
I disagree that Plurk can be used for business purposes. In my opinion, it's a social, fun tool to be used between friends and family. - Bwana McCall
Regarding following threads, the technique I found to work was selective reading. To "catch up" on Plurk, you will drive yourself nuts if you try to read every thread. What I do is skim the conversations and find the 2 or 3 I'm interested in and I read those. With the new "mute" functionality, I have a rule that if a unwanted conversation shows up 3 or more times when I catch up, I mute the thread. This workflow allows me to catch up on hundreds of updates in minutes. - Bwana McCall
Even with that technique, many don't want to bother with all that. That's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with disliking it. Plurk can be a huge timesink even with efficient techniques. That was a big reason why I cut back my usage. I would spend hours talking to people. No time for that :) - Bwana McCall
@Bwana "You hate it and it seems like you hate to see people like it." That was an incorrect, unfounded and unnecessary judgment. Just trying to understand it as all. I don't have that much free time to sit around and play with all of these tools so I ask questions to get other people's insights. I expressed an opinion but that does not mean I hate the other people like it. I don't understand why other people like it. Big difference. That comment kind of discredited your whole statement. - Jennifer Leggio
It was a joke Jennifer, hence the smiley. Text sucks for wit. - Bwana McCall
There are lots of things I dislike -- baseball, pork, country music. I may ask questions to better understand the appeal and in doing so I might express my own opinion, but that doesn't mean it bothers me if other people like it. I just may never agree and may always look at them with a raised eyebrow. ;-) - Jennifer Leggio
@Bwana - Yeah, hard to tell if comments with a smiley online are jokes or passive aggression. lol. In that case ignore my statement. But I still dislike Plurk, baseball, pork and country music. ;-) - Jennifer Leggio
Plurk took away the ability to delete an account about 2 weeks ago... I wonder why that is...? I'm guessing Account Retention due to an increased frequency of deletions... sad though that they would prevent you from deleting your account. They don't answer support inquiries either. Fail across the board. Oh, I should mention that I exploited the site to add thousands of friends at once and it broke the functionality of the site for many of the people on my friends list. They still haven't fixed those issues - Brandon
I'd like to know how in the world people would use Plurk in their business. A far stretch would be to gather feedback from their products (as businesses do on Twitter, etc). Other than that... I can't see it at all. - Bwana McCall
@Bwana Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. I've seen a lot of claims made but nothing in action. If I hear of anything concrete I will let you know. - Jennifer Leggio
@Brandon I'm actually interviewing the Plurk folks sometime in the next week so I'll ask them about the account deletion and support. - Jennifer Leggio
Angel - so did I at first. You can change that graphic, but it's not obvious - Bwana McCall
I think the Karma thing bugs me the most. The timeline, is kitschy and I think needlessly complexifies the UI, but ultimately is just a personal preference. I could see businesses using it the same way they use twitter, but with greater potential for starting a dialogue since it is trivial for anyone to track the full conversation. - felix
have a plurk but check it minimally - never really had what i was looking for, but neither did jaiku or pownce - think identi.ca will be the same way - am liking swurl so far though but friendfeed is the real keeper... - mike "glemak" dunn
@Mike Agree. I think that FF has the most sustainability of them all. I wish I could say that about Twitter as I do <3 it... but not looking so good. - Jennifer Leggio
@Jennifer agreed, i ♥ twitter too but things aren't looking that well anymore. FF ftw. - Brandon
@mediaphyter, Plurk is as good as the friends you follow... yet I can't condone one replacing the other. - Czar Derek Peterman
Jennifer I can tell you that the people using Plurk are there because we honestly love it. I was on there last night laughing my head off till I was crying at some of the stuff other people were plurking about. It was literally roll in the floor hilarious! I can understand why some people don't like Plurk, but I can also understand EXACTLY why those of us that spend time on Plurk, love it. - Mack Collier
@Mack But the hilarity of the content has nothing to do with the platform, it's the people right? Those people could be anywhere. I have similar experiences with Twitter and FriendFeed and even Pownce before I retired from there. Saying "but it's funny" doesn't defend the platform. It just says you happen to have a good network or find good conversations. That can be done anywhere. - Jennifer Leggio
I'm over at Plurk trying to give it another chance. It's making me feel like I have ADD. Plus there's no way I will remember all of the threads I've posted on. Maybe I need to carry around a Plurk notepad and write them down? :-/ - Jennifer Leggio
Yeah, but people also tout the virtues of MySpace. - Evo Terra via twhirl
Plurk does seem to be a love/hate app - Sarah Perez
Why do people feel that Plurk has to be useful for business? I wasn't into social media at the time but did this type of discussion happen when MySpace came out? Unless you have a band, not too many business uses for that either but it's still very popular. - Vaughn
@Vaughn I don't think anyone's saying it has to be useful for business - but a lot of people are claiming that it is. So I want to understand how (and am currently having that convo with Plurk itself via email). As for MySpace, as much as I've outgrown that myself, a lot of consumer-oriented companies DO still use it for branding and promotion. It's a lot of the B2B companies that it has scared off. - Jennifer Leggio
@Jennifer Leggio That makes sense. Sometimes I feel that Plurk is the square peg and people are trying to force it into the round hole. - Vaughn
Jennifer, stick around a bit longer, it grows on you. But notably: different types of conversation, more informal, less depth. In terms of the layout, I don't like it either, which is why I created Plurkair using the mobile version for the desktop: I prefer Plurk Twitter style, and in that way it's an able player in the space - Duncan Riley
Only mouse-clickers like Plurk. For the keyboard folk, it's like trying to write a 4000 word physics essay with a giant crayon, horrible interface! and Karma? "come back to our service more than Twitter, or we will punish you!". Plurk sucks ass. - Cait
Plurk just blows my mind. I click on something and then it's all ZAZOW and does something crazy I didn't expect. - brad sucks
if it has any military capability, it is then only looks-like-mobile-missile-launcher -- there is nothing defensive in standing (erected) building... but somehow I am not freaked over pictures. - silpol
That is awesome. I love that interior space between the silos, that's some big glass! - felix
looking over the other offerings on that site... man, what you get in Denver compared to what I'm getting, not even staying in Manhattan, but moving to Williamsburg? Ouch. Sigh. - felix
"Hey, that sounds like a pretty interesting project! I'll keep my eyes peeled for updates. :)
As for getting the final page, as far as I could tell you can't. I don't believe there's anything that comes across in the headers that tells you. Sadly. Although if you find a way, please let me know!" - felix
