Just remember- this is not a competition, just an exhibition. @Kyle - ever been to Culver, IN? Grew up there before moving to Chicago.
- michael sean wright
Nice: I have been to Culver! You are in Chicago now? I will have to let you know next time I am up your way.
- Kyle Lacy
Not sure about that, but: "Time present and time past are both perhaps present in time future and time future contained in time past. If all time is eternally present all time is unredeemable." - Swatch, Always Now, 1997 (and yes my lunch, at 1:42am local, is consisting of a double martini so that actually makes some sense to me)
- David HC Soul
are you saying that time "now" has no meaning? i (obv.) reject this but toast your willingness to acknowledge the wisdom of a dean martin martini. now, for you sir, on to the work of most importance. focus on the permanent.
- michael sean wright
Well, I will grant that the sentiment of French Marshall Lyautey has some merit (he asked his gardener to plant a tree and when the gardener objected that the tree was slow growing and would not reach maturity for 100 years the Marshall was said to have replied, 'In that case, there is no time to lose; plant it this afternoon!').... So I am off to plant some trees....
- David HC Soul
you, i like. and will point you to Hermann Hesse before he won the Nobel Prize for 'The Glass Bead Game' in which he wrote in in the idyllic poem "Hours in the Garden" (1936)- 'I hear music and see men of the past and future. I see wise men and poets and scholars and artists harmoniously building the hundred-gated cathedral of the Mind." - (forword to Glass Bead Game by by Hermann Hesse by Theodore Ziolkowski.)
- michael sean wright
Thanks for the pointer - I'll go search it out.
- David HC Soul
I hope so. The thought is consuming much of my waking hours these days.... But I have to be up in 5 hours... so will have to return to the 'nightcrew' tomorrow night. One thing about time is it does seem to age one....
- David HC Soul
sleep perchance to dream, a wise man said. Billy Shakespeare.
- michael sean wright
Then pause now to ask yourself the following question: "Am I dreaming or awake, right now?"
- David HC Soul
man, most of the ppl who liked this i haven't seen on FF in ages. maybe i'm doing it wrong.
- Joe The Sausage
for most of us we met here, stayed loyal here but the sun set long ago : ( what a rush of a time that was! now we find ourselves over at g+ telling stories of the good ol' days!
- michael sean wright
Meme-inless no more! always been an interesting world with you!
- michael sean wright
oh and... i do have some google+ invites left - email me nicefishfilms at g ma i l dot co m
- michael sean wright
I'm curious now - did google + make you come back to FF? Because that is v interesting.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
yes, we did the podcast when ff was acquired by the book of face.. watched them absorb the real-time elements and i check in from time to time usually through this post as it brings back very fond memories. google + reminds me of the early days of ff - haven't felt that way about any of the social nets that have come since the facedbooked swallow up. heaven knows we've been on them all and they seem so ancient now -- quora anyone? google got it right with +. think it marks the next era for them.
- michael sean wright
Google + right now does remind me of the FF glory days and I am curious to see what happens next.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
"The physicists claim they have proved that it is possible to manipulate space and time so that whole events are hidden from view. That means eventually that someone could be made to look like they jump from one location to the next – with the journey in-between rendered invisible to the naked eye. The "space time cloak" uses physics to manipulate light so that "events" in real life are cut just like an editor can cut scenes from a reel of film."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"The device sounds like the stuff of fantasy, but scientists at Imperial College London have proved it could work in theory – at least in terms of very short bursts of time. As well as being a sci-fi fan's dream, they believe the idea could also be used to make faster and more powerful computers. Professor Martin McCall, the lead scientist, said that the technique worked by dividing up rays of light that are heading towards the eye."
- RAPatton
People may say RSS is dead, but if you run any kind of site with frequent new content without giving me some easy-to-find feeds, preferably broken up by tags, I am not going to be coming back. Sorry.
This really bug me on non-commercial sites. I think the "People need to click through to see our ads" argument is flawed, but understandable. But if your site doesn't even have ads, or the content exists to drive awareness and you want as many people as possible to see it, why on God's green earth would you put out a partial feed?!
- Alex Scrivener
Besides, you could insert ads into the feed.
- Vezquex
If I had to choose between full text with ads or partial feeds with no ads, I'd take ads all week.
- Alex Scrivener
Wants to know more about these Yahoo Pipes ----->
- Jandy
'In a free society, the presumption must be that people can smoke, snort, eat or inject whatever they wish, so long as they do not harm others. The burden of proof should rest on those who would ban marijuana, not those who want it legal.' - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Any and all events, no matter how small or mighty, are greeted with a bundle of butter, sugar, chocolate and‚ well, I haven’t figured out all of the ingredients yet, so I just call it “crack” and you will hopefully know that I mean that it is a very good thing."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
That is crack that I've been addicted to since I was a wee one. We call them 7-layer bars in my family. I know that recipe by heart!
- Katie
And, sweet baby Jeebus, is Angie's recipe crack dusted with cocaine. I'm going to have to smack her next time I see her for introducing me to that.
- Katie
"1. An intergalactic villain in Zero Wing, a 1991 videogame: All your base are belong to us.Quote type: Botched translation. Googleosity: 11,800,000 Circumstances of origin: It’s a piece of threatening dialog in the European edition of a Japanese game for Sega’s Mega Drive (aka Genesis) game console. Wikipedia helpfully provides the following improved translation: “With the help of the Federation Government forces, CATS has taken all of your bases.” Why it’s notable: Beginning in early 2001, it became the most pervasive Internet meme this side of Rickrolling. It continues to flourish, spawning thousands of variants in discussions of everything from politics to public utilities to sports. Most of the people who riff on it can presumably tell you it originated in a game. But the percentage who can tell you which game–let alone who have actually seen it–is probably minuscule. Any nominations of notable quotes I failed to include here–including ones that deserve to be better known than they are?"
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
@Eivind I heard there were some extenuating circumstances that contributed to the crucifixion part, but I guess you can't take fiction too seriously. Still, to go from piracy to "ended up nailed to a cross" deserved a damn in my book.
- Nakachi
Ach so. Thanks, I was just curious where the 'damn' came from. I don't take things very seriously :)
- Eivind
"Rule One: If you pull into my driveway and honk you’d better be delivering a package, because you’re sure not picking anything up."
- AJ Batac :)
from Bookmarklet
Rule Two: You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter’s body, I will remove them.
- AJ Batac :)
Rule Three: I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don’t take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear...
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- AJ Batac :)
Rule Four: I’m sure you’ve been told that in today’s world, sex without utilizing a “Barrier method” of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate, when it comes to sex, I am the barrrier, and I will kill you.
- AJ Batac :)
Really funny, but the source is gah-wheeze-hack (atheist kryptonite).
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
These aren't from here. These rules have been floating the internet for easily 12 - 15 years, with slight changes.
- Anika
I know that I've seen variants of this forever. This *particular* copy comes from where it comes from. They're referring to some book or something.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
But have you heard of Rand Paul's amazing underground electric fence?
- Andrew C (✓)
Yeah, our current stance on immigration is dysfunctional at best...we say we don't want immigrants here and then we buy goods that can only be had cheaply because of the same immigrants. And stuck in the middle are the immigrants, but I guess we really don't care about them as long as we can continue to get cheap tomatoes.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
What trips me out are the people who say "closing the border" like we could just flip on some gigantic magical switch, and all of the sudden no undocumented workers would ever be able to get into the country.
- Victor Ganata
I guess it's just a nice catchphrase in search of an actually implementable plan.
- Victor Ganata
We could make it a lot less porous than it is right now if we wanted to, but is it really in our best interests?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
See, you just draw over the line on all the maps with a *Sharpie,* and then... uh, nevermind.
- Rachel Walden
The irony is that by making the border more formidable, we're probably actually discouraging undocumented workers from leaving.
- Victor Ganata
@CW - I think he means more like a de facto guest worker situation...
- Andrew C (✓)
I bet the undocumented would probably be a little more willing to turn themselves into ICE if they didn't have to spend weeks at a time in jail.
- Victor Ganata
It's not a jail, it's a deportation processing facility!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Let's think about this...because of immigrants, most of us pay less for farmed goods and other services than we ordinarily would pay. This is somewhat offset by the loss of jobs available to highschoolers and others. It is also offset by the additional costs that we all pay in services/higher fees/taxes related to infrastructure that now has to bear additional burden than it was originally designed for. What other parts of the equation either up or down are there that you can think of?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And in many cases, jobs are filled that would normally remain open because of lack of properly skilled/educated workers here.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Illegal immigrants who are paid over-the-table pay into SS that they probably won't be collecting on later.
- Andrew C (✓)
How can someone who is undocumented get paid over-the-table, though? You'd need an SSN in the first place, right?
- Victor Ganata
They do pay sales taxes, gas taxes, and phone taxes, and they're completely ineligible for any benefits, unless you count the EMTALA mandate that guarantees everyone access to emergency medical care.
- Victor Ganata
Victor, AIUI due to cracking down on under-the-table payments, I thought illegal immigrants were signing up with hijacked SSNs or something.
- Andrew C (✓)
my mom used to work with / help hire undocumented immigrants. according to her, the men she worked with would use forged documents, sometimes other peoples' SSNs to get paid on the books. not entirely sure about whether they ever became documented / legal and what happened with their SSN and SSI payments. ... that said: my french roommate in college got an SSN so she could work in the...
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- tiffany
Good points. I'm thinking that the prevalence of forged/stolen documents are yet another reason why "closing the border" would be extremely futile.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Yes, because it still doesn't do anything for the people who are already here.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Closing the borders is ridiculous. But there's got to be a better mechanism than hordes of people hanging out on streetcorners hoping someone will pick them up for a job. The issue isnt that undocumented workers are taking jobs (they're not, though the forged docs and stealing of SS#s happens and is a problem - but it's a problem when it comes to all people - see voting scandals). The...
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- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
Allowing people to hang around Lowes to be slave umm day labor for the next home improvement project is fail. Nobody should be exploited just because they need a job and have no papers. So yeah maybe open borders with some protections for workers, all the workers lest we forget real people are involved
- WarLord
Too bad it doesn't prevent people from flying in, Matthew, heh.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Apparently, going to Canada first then sneaking into the U.S. used to be a popular way for Filipinos to get into the country. But this was before they figured out they could make way more money working in Dubai or Saudi Arabia.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
I thought "closing the border" means Taco Bell is closing up shop. :P
- imabonehead
What's funny is that illegal immigrants didn't invent day laboring. Poor blacks and whites did it, and in much of the south still do. Not sure why or how it's different because the ones being exploited speak Spanish.
- tiffany
from Android
It's the speaking Spanish thing that seems to really piss some people off for some reason. Never mind that there are a good number of undocumented immigrants who don't have to cross the U.S.-Mexico border to get here.
- Victor Ganata
yep. see: canadians. plus a good many of undocumented / illegal immigrants actually immigrated legally ... and just stayed past their visa expiration. i'd guess that scenario is at least as common as mexican migrant workers.
- tiffany
I saw The Proposal, I know how those Canadians are. Blackmailing innocent American men into sham marriages to gain green cards. Makes me sick, I tell ya!
- Alex Scrivener
What a sight that would have been. And hell to clean up.
- Shey
OMG, are you left-handed? Left handed people, like my cousin Left-Handed-Larry, are so smart and creative! I don't know how you can write like that.
- Jandy
Now that I think about it, I don't recall a relative who's left-handed. Though I have a bunch of friends who are. Oh, and they're creative!
- Arlan K.
And yet, Akiva, 70% of Afghans feel their country is heading on the right track, are optimistic, turning the trend from a downward curve upward. He didn't campaign for or on the Nobel. He did campaign for health care reform.
- Karoli
Oh, you mean based on military action that started BEFORE Obama took office?
- Akiva
Wow...Akiva, he's not going to win with you no matter what. got that. Jason, any health care bill through both houses is indeed a win, and that it is being done without breaking the bank (a la M-care Part D) is even better. I do understand, however, that criticism is quite the style today...so 10 points for y'all for style.
- Karoli
Oh. I didn't realize that we were only allowed to fawn over him. My bad.
- Akiva
Most of the flaws in the current bill come from the compromises necessary to get it through the Senate, which currently requires a supermajority to do anything. An ideal reform bill is simply not going to happen right now. So we can choose to take what we can get now or ignore the problem of 20,000 to 50,000 people dying per year from lack of insurance for another 15 years or so.
- John (bird whisperer)
Isn't that trillion figure the ten-year cost?
- Andrew C (✓)
The trillion dollar cost is spread over ten years because that's the way the CBO provides estimates.
- John (bird whisperer)
Luckily, those states are small (in population) and thus not too expensive.
- Andrew C (✓)
The subsidies to help people afford health insurance premiums will also help anyone who buys insurance on the individual market, not just people who happen to be uninsured now. So presumably this will help a larger pool than just the current 20 million.
- John (bird whisperer)
BTW, Jason, I thought it was more like ~40M uninsured and another 40M underinsured. I suppose the latter are helped a lot just by tightening up regulations on insurance.
- Andrew C (✓)
Akiva, I didn't say one way or the other. Just said I understood the lay of the land. that's all, say whatever you want...it's a free country, after all.
- Karoli
Speaking as one of the uninsured who currently pays $1000/month out of pocket for one family member's medical needs, I'll take this and work toward making it better, thankyouverymuch. I imagine many will.
- Karoli
Jason, no Dem supermajority in the Senate, which is why the bill is as compromised as it is.
- Karoli
Akiva and Holden...I'll look forward to the alternatives you bring forward in 2011 for 2012. I mean that.
- Karoli
Sidenote, I am one of those now wonderfully uninsured ppl so I am happy it passed. i just don't agree with some of the great praises Obama is getting.
- Holden Page
the number of uninsured is closer to 47 million and rising...2009 numbers were unkind.
- Karoli
BTW, this wasn't my ideal outcome at all, but it beats the hell outa no outcome, a la Clinton, et al.
- Karoli
Does anyone really know what this outcome is?
- Tinfoil 2.0
Jason ( .@jhuebel ): If political discussions fail because politics is a faith-based endeavor, I'll happily cease foisting reasoned debate on folks!
- Aviva Gabriel
@LogEx not yet, not really. figure what we know about both bills will be part of the final. Biggest issues are effective dates, national versus state-based exchanges, and how to pay for it.
- Karoli
Yeah, Mark, because you make so much money on unemployment, LOL.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I thought the message has been don't blame Obama, this bill is congress' doing?
- exador23
MVB, I'd gladly work to pay for others' healthcare. In a heartbeat. When you know of a company that will hire a 51-year old who will work herself to the bone for them, but who has a diabetic son, let me know.
- Karoli
Exador23: he sets the agenda. He let Congress set the provisions. It is, however a priority. The house bill looks quite like his platform. The Senate bill, not so much. The final bill will have the major provs - pre-ex, affordability credits, etc. and he is now actively involved in that process.
- Karoli
My dad is on unemployment, he's not too thrilled either
- Holden Page
MVB, I'm glad *you* think it's a utopia. I think it sucks. It's depressing to be constantly reminded that suddenly you're unnecessary and extraneous, that society is giving a hand to you because if they didn't you'd be homeless. There's nothing even close to utopian about it.
- Karoli
I'm glad for the benefits that the health care bill brings to many people. I understand the pros and cons of passing this bill (to the extent that I can find necessary information to make judgements). So, I'm gambliing that the pros outweigh the cons. But there are dangerous flaws in the bill that may cause us to be entrenched in harmful systems, agreements, and contracts that will be...
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- Aviva Gabriel
MVB, your comments are bitter, uninformed, and uninteresting. Why don't you go pick a fight somewhere else?
- Aviva Gabriel
MVB, I didn't pay for it. My employer did.
- Karoli
This version of health reform isn't a handout, it's a way of reducing the costs of health care (and getting more people covered) by pooling risk. Most people who benefit from this bill will still be paying monthly premiums and have other out-of-pocket expenses for care. They will just be paying less than they would otherwise because of small subsidies and because the exchanges will be able to negotiate better prices than most individuals could on their own.
- John (bird whisperer)
Dont you have to work a certain amount of time to build social security credits to qualify for benefits?
- Shawn Whitmire
I pay into Social Security and Medicare, which is why I object to them being referred to as "entitlements". California Disability insurance is also charged off on a paycheck. But UI is an employer-paid expense.
- Karoli
Correct, which the employer can contest if just cause is there.
- Shawn Whitmire
Karoli, Social Security goes bankrupt by 2030, statistical fact, it's just not capable of holding it's own weight, so you better hope you aren't still alive at that point or it will be an entitlement.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Jimminy Fuller, Social Security will survive, without breaking the bank, no thanks to those who wanted it privatized and raided the trust fund. As a third-party pension admin, I state that with full confidence and weight of history behind me.
- Karoli
Mark, spreading the cost over a larger group DOES reduce the cost because of how insurance companies work.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I got the "employed person" part... thanks. What I dont get is why its relevant. You lose your job, your employer pays for it unless you screwed up. .
- Shawn Whitmire
Karoli, how do you plan for that to happen, it is a ponzi scheme in which the current workers pay for the elderly for their service. As the boomers retire the work force nearly halves, so they would have to increase SS Taxes up to near 30% of a paycheck alone, that's not fair. SS was never supposed to last past the 50's.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Mark, yeah, but people are using it as retirement now.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Alex, at the time of inception it was quite a supplement.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
@Jimminy, if/when the SS trust fund empties out, the then-current inflow will still be enough to pay out 75% of its obligations. And again, the only reason for the trust fund was to deal with the baby boomer population bulge, a bulge that will eventually go away. The SS trust fund does not need to exist in perpetuity. ... Though yes, 2030 (or 2038, or 2042) is a bit too early.
- Andrew C (✓)
Mark, if I charge one person $100 to stare at you, but a group of 10 people $90 each to stare at you, they've just gotten a group discount of 10%...that's how insurance works.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
The key to keeping social security going is improving wages. The higher the paycheck the less increase that will have to happen for it to be sustained. However I did see figures that taxes would have to increase by %16 for this to work.
- Shawn Whitmire
Reports of Social Security's imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.
- John (bird whisperer)
MVB, the bill does contain some cost-control mechanisms to reduce the overall cost of health care. The main one is pooling risk, a standard tool used by insurance companies. It also a commission to recommend ways of reducing Medicare spending and empowers regulators to drop insurers from the exchanges if they don't do enough to control costs on their own.
- John (bird whisperer)
It's a foot in the door, but then again, Medicare is the original foot and look how long it took to open the door an inch more
- Terris of California
Robert these 13000 people would not know what to do on Friendfeed and leave in less than 5 minutes of signing up.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
this isn't the first or the last group like it, it's a good indicator of which of your friends are morons.
- Richard Lawler
Eldon: I hope I don't have that many idiots following me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How about emails like these: "Bill Gates/Nokia/whatever will donate <something>, if this message is sent to 1000000 people". When I get something like this from some friend, I get disappointed on him/her...
- Jemm
there are 100 of these groups each week... everyone ignores them (well everyone important anyway ;))
- Thomas
Funny thing is - facebook is probably worth $3.99. Although I notice the French says $3.99 per month which would be a bit steep.
- Matthew Neale
but wait, i thought hotmail was closing the free service unless 2 million people add group Z ?
- Matt Randles
These groups are as old as Facebook itself. All they do is prove: heavy Facebook users = lemmings. :p
- Chris Charabaruk
There will always be a VIP group of sorts... back when Facebook started it looked like early adaptors were joining over there. Then came Twitter, now Friendfeed. If Friendfeed gets too mainstream (if that's possible) I'm wondering what's next.
- David Bisset (sn)
Why would they do that? They are already getting tons of money from sponsors and advertisers. Duh!
- Shevonne
@David: In the Web 2.0 world, there's bound to be something new and already in the works. I wonder what it is too, but I'd be surprised if it's not currently under construction, or even ready to launch.
- Chris Charabaruk
I wouldn't call them idiots. If they believe it, they believe it. So if it happens are the non-believers idiots? Hmmm
- Bwana ☠
:/... I doubt it will happen. They get enough money from advertising surely.
- ralphsaunders
This was the funniest quote I've seen microblogged in a while! Of course how many of these people use to (or still do) pay for Classmates or Reunion, so naturally they believe this garbage.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Reminds me of the false rumors a few years ago about AOL, Yahoo, and MS planning to charge for email to eliminate spam. Move on - nothing to see here.
- Mike Doeff
It's already 39,265 members in that certain group…
- Daniel Schildt
One thing to notice in this compared to older rumors is the amount of speed people notice it.
- Daniel Schildt
I might join and post something saying "Suckas!"
- Shevonne
40,000 now. Wow. I kind of enjoy the silly little worries of people.
- Daniel Zarick
wow. morons. Everybody knows that friendfeed's not gonna start charging until 2010!
- Vicarbott
These are the same idiots who are worried about being charged per email. I don't think they'd know what to do with friendfeed even if they were invited.
- Mr. Gunn
I wonder how many are over the age 0f 17. How many of voting age are in the group of 13,000.
- Franklin Pettit
I swear that first sentence just made my blood pressure shoot up 20 points. The second sentence rapidly lowered it. I have a few people added who unfortunately take everything forwarded to them as fact. They will never get an invite. This is my hideout from the people who shouldn't be allowed online.
- ilene
Chris, the group is not about pro features. They claim there will be NO free access to FB after Dec 31. Quite a different thing...
- Ray Metzen
And the group has 56,000 members now! Amazing... :(
- Ray Metzen
More than ever… 91,481 members at the moment of writing.
- Daniel Schildt
Hmm... I'm not sure which disappoints me more... People being overly anxious over the idea that Facebook will supposedly be charged for use. (This evidentially isn’t true) Or the knowledge that a number of people I don't care to count are here on FriendFeed discussing those that have joined groups concerning Facebook fees as if they are second class citizens. Take a good look at...
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- Jamie Howlett
funny thing is people not wanting to pay when there getting new games and apps that can keep you entertained if it did cost (which it never will) i sure would pay the Cheap $3.99 month
- Luke Moers
Of course Facebook is going to start Charging people money! Everyone knows it! By the way, did you hear Obama tried to move Christmas to January 8th? (its a fb group too so it must be real!!)
- Rebecca
NASA will begin transmitting commands to its Mars exploration rover Spirit on Monday as part of an escape plan to free the venerable robot from its Martian sand trap. Spirit has been lodged at a site scientists call "Troy" since April 23. - NASA JPL http://is.gd/4TSi0
"Mr. Berners-Lee smiled and admitted he might make one change — a small one. He would get rid of the double slash “//” after the “http:” in Web addresses."
- AJ Batac :)
from Bookmarklet
Tuesday evening, I said "page" someone when I should have said "text" someone, and the youngsters stared at me with no comprehension, then laughed at me for being hopelessly out of touch with modern technology.
And I mentioned to them that back in my day, we listened to music on 8-tracks.
- Stephen Mack
Furthermore, as a youngster, I was required to walk to school in my shorts in the snow.
- Stephen Mack
Additionally, the bus cost ten cents to ride.
- Stephen Mack
And soda from a machine was a nickel.
- Stephen Mack
Did you show them dusty pictures of a beeper from a long forgotten hardcopy of Encyclopedia Britannica? I sense the basis for a new Dan Brown novel.
- Mark Trapp
Mark -- NO BUT I SHOULD HAVE. I'm shouting because I'm hard of hearing.
- Stephen Mack
When I was in high school, I typed up my essays on a typewriter.
- Stephen Mack
And in college, I used an Apple II+ and a dot matrix printer. (Freshman year, anyway. I later switched to a 286.)
- Stephen Mack
We had this wonderful technology for getting hold of people in real-time when you were out on the road. We called it the "pay phone."
- Stephen Mack
Quiet, you young hippie whipper-snapper.
- Stephen Mack
The penny had a useful role in transactions.
- Stephen Mack
Of course, back then, the crime rate was much higher than it is today.
- Stephen Mack
Only you didn't hear about it because the news only came on twice a day, or a day later in this thing we used to call a "newspaper."
- Stephen Mack
*LOL* Your so cute Stephen. Sometime (when Kevin finds it again) You should come over and see iPod museum and his early Palm Pilots! Their brick like nature will be very nostalgic! ;)
- Rachel Lea Fox
Thank you, Rachel, I will. Of course, as a kid, the museums I went to had this stuff inside that was called "art."
- Stephen Mack
Back in the day, pagers were only used by doctors or dope dealers
- Rodfather
But the doctors didn't make house calls. And the gas station attendants didn't pump gas or clean my windshields. Those are myths my grandfather made up, I think.
- Stephen Mack
art museum... you mean like my photoblog? ;-b
- Rachel Lea Fox
Rodfather, true. Although even ten years ago when I started at TiVo, most of us who were on-call carried pagers. Mine was a "1.5-way pager" -- I could reply with "yes" or "no" or about a dozen canned responses. I must have had one because I must have been a doctor. I don't remember.
- Stephen Mack
The canned responses did NOT include ones I frequently needed, such as "pull out the plug it's on fire" or "kill it with a stake."
- Stephen Mack
Rachel, yes, art museums had photographs. Developed on film in a dark room and featuring close-ups of elbows and shiny buttons, or black-and-white depictions of Half Dome. Little has changed in that regard, actually.
- Stephen Mack
I think I got distracted from my original point.
- Stephen Mack
My point is, if you hear your grandfather say "page your mother to tell her the bikes are half price" please just take it as written that he means "text your mother."
- Stephen Mack
Thank you. All: Please continue on with your busy day now, which is filled with countless miracles of technology and advanced societal development that, had I been aware of them twenty years ago, would have caused my brain to dissolve into a liquid gel of the type we currently use as packing foam.
- Stephen Mack
I'm going to start calling you Gramps now Stephen!
- Rachel Lea Fox
I SAW MY FIRST SMILEY IN 1989 AND IT WAS ONLINE FROM SANTA CRUZ. WE USED A 1200 BAUD MODEM TO CONNECT TO UCSC'S NETWORK AND READ IT IN UCSC.GENERAL. BUT MY KEYBOARD COULD ONLY TYPE IN ALL-CAPS. IN MEMORY OF THAT THIS COMMENT IS ALSO IN ALL-CAPS, SORRY IN ADVANCE. SIGNED, GRAMPS. WAIT, IS IT PROPER ETIQUETTE TO SIGN YOUR COMMENTS?
- Stephen Mack
YOU PROBABLY HAD A REAL COMPUTER AND NOT THE APPLE II+ I WAS USING IN 1984 WHICH IS WHAT I SHOULD HAVE PUT AS THE YEAR INSTEAD OF 1989.
- Stephen Mack
So isn't it okay to say "page" when you mean "text"? C'mon, it's very similar.
- Stephen Mack
Yeah well I saw WarGames and liked it in a non-ironic manner. So I'm more 80s elite than all of you combined.
- Mark Trapp
Sorry, I can't hear you over my Duran Duran.
- Mark Trapp
Normally at this point, we get into a shouting match about who used the oldest computer, and try to compete about who's the biggest dinosaur.
- Stephen Mack
The escalation path, for example, might be a mention of 3.5" floppy disks, and then 5.25" floppy disks, and then 8" floppy disks, and then cassette tape drives, and then someone will post a picture of punch cards they still keep in their desk.
- Stephen Mack
But then even that old-timer will get outdone by a 68-year-old IBM middle manager who will link to an article showing him programming a satellite using toggle switches.
- Stephen Mack
We could go for esotericism and I could start with saying I actively used SyQuest for a number of years, but someone's going to come in with some other esoteric format like blinking lights attached to a 2x4 or something.
- Mark Trapp
Ah man, the blinking light 2x4s, those were the days. You really had to know your stuff.
- Stephen Mack
Today's kids programming a weather doo-dad in Oberon that makes up a 133 meg download. You know how many 2x4s we'd need for that? A quadtrillion.
- Stephen Mack
More lumber than existed on the earth at the time.
- Stephen Mack
And you can edit the "was/is" back to "is"
- Stephen Mack
Can you think of a better story to tell your grandchildren?
- Stephen Mack
It'd be a very exclusive FF-meme: "____, who got his ass kicked by Brigadier General Chuck Yeager"
- Stephen Mack
And -- just maybe -- it would be the first (and probably last) FF-meme you participated in.
- Stephen Mack
Oooh, link? I missed it. (Your entry, that is.)
- Stephen Mack
I wonder when doctors will actually adopt SMS instead of using pagers.
- Victor Ganata
Victor, the thing is, the pager I carried from 1999 to about 2004 was 100% reliable. I never missed a single page. Even when it had run-down batteries, the page was eventually delivered. But I've missed texts from time to time. So reliability-wise I understand why doctors (and drug dealers?) still use them.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, yeah, I guess that's true. I never worried about missing a page the way I worry about missing a call on my cel, or missing a text message. I guess the real question is, when will SMS be as reliable as text paging?
- Victor Ganata
Very nice, Amir. Victor, good question -- any SMS experts here who can tell us when SMS reliability will be as good as paging?
- Stephen Mack
I have to agree. IM is free (with your data plan). SMS costs are absurd. Market forces will prevail. SMS's only chance is if the carriers compete on price and finally stop overcharging.
- Stephen Mack
SyQuest? I had (still have) several of those.. Ah the hard head crash... How about this: http://computerlab.tripod.com/core_cl... Anyone ever had to remagnitize a section of core memory? Me either. :)
- Ken Gidley
More specifically, will a cel phone signal ever be able to penetrate into the basement of hospital like a pager signal can?
- Victor Ganata
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- John E. Bredehoft
After multiple attempts at getting my mom's laptop virus free using other apps, I finally installed Security Essentials. Had to cycle through twice to get rid of them all, but her machine is now virus-free and no longer sucking in new viruses at a record pace (the new pace is 0).
- Craig Eddy
0's a good pace. I have the (formerly) paid version of Microsoft anti-virus on an old laptopo that my father in law lent me. I don't have any true comparison between that and the Norton we use on our main computer.
- John E. Bredehoft
I think dragons are eternal. There was Dragonheart, Eragon, and now the upcoming Hobbit movie. Whatever happened to the Dragonriders of Pern movie that was supposed to come out?
- Victor Ganata
Werewolves could go some awesome places. And OMG you have to post updates if you find out about Pern stuff! <3 The Last Unicorn was supposed to be made live-action but it's seemed to have fallen through. :(
- <3Heather<3
Peter S. Beagle has an ongoing lawsuit with the company that produced The Last Unicorn animated film (as an aside, some of the animators actually eventually ended up working for Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli) I think this pretty much deep-sixed the live action movie. It would've been awesome to see Christopher Lee reprise his role as King Haggard.
- Victor Ganata
Really? I don't think wizards are anywhere near as overdone as vampires are.
- Spidra Webster
I dunno, I remember when Harry Potter first came out how people who had never read fantasy in their entire lives were totally raving about it. And even now, that's how Twilight fans have been trying to sell that series to me: like Harry Potter except with vampires instead of wizards.
- Victor Ganata
It's weird to see it as a 'mainstream co-opt' when these tropes have blossomed because a lot of kids (and adults) started reading books by previously obscure writers. Once they gained a huge following they were made in to movies and set the stage for a plethora of imitators seeking to cash in on the craze, but that shouldn't be confused with the mainstream 'co-opting' anything. It's just a fan base that grew organically to be very, very large.
- Kevin Fox
That said, I think cybercowboys are next.
- Kevin Fox
OOC, is Fox doing anything about pushing Buffy DVDs to the Twilight fanbase?
- Andrew C (✓)
Kevin, yeah, I guess I see the distinction you're making. The co-opting is more in regards to the vampire movies and books that have been coming out post-Twilight.
- Victor Ganata
Yeah, but I'm serious about the cybercowboys thing.
- Kevin Fox
@Kevin - the only cyber cowboys I know of are from the (mostly forgotten) 80s cartoon "Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers". Which I kinda want to watch again, but also don't, in case it ruins old memories.
- Andrew C (✓)
I dunno. Check out the trends for the last three years. Sure 'cyber' is a dying term, but notice how its spikes coincide with spikes for 'cowboys': http://www.google.com/trends...
- Kevin Fox
Definitely sexy space babes... it is written...
- Fossil Huntress
Why are so many Indonesians searching for the word "cyber"? Kevin's chart is just weird.
- Stephen Mack
I know "cyber" is still used commonly in the Philippines.
- Victor Ganata
Social media experts. Those cats are scary.
- Steven Perez
Social media expert werewolf teen romances? That does sound pretty damn scary.
- Victor Ganata
werewolves..especially with this new Twilight movie = the girls will love Jacob and that kid..what is his name? he's on the cover of Teen Vogue.
- Anna Lynn M.
I was wrong, by the way. Ninjas are next. They're making a comeback, but you'd never see it coming.
- Kevin Fox
comeback? Ninjas have been delivering my copies of "Cheekbone" magazine for years
- Bren
Why can't there be a whole Anne Ramsey genre. "Throw Momma from the Train" and "Goonies" alone were proof enough (sadly, it can't be because she's the late Anne Ramsey).
- Micah
Now now, we can't be stealing the very shtick that's always put bread on their tables :P
- Micah
Grant the FDA the authority to require that newly approved drugs have a special symbol on their labels to help increase public awareness that they are new, and limit direct-to-consumer (DTC) advertising for the first 2 years after approval.
- Victor Ganata
OK, so there are about ninety episodes of House, M.D. The incidence of lupus is somewhere between 0.5% and 1%. I know statistics don't really work this way, but I can't help thinking we should've seen a case of lupus by now.