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Seth’s blog » Blog Archive » What’s Appreciative Thinking? - http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008...
John Dupuis, Yaroslav Nikolaev, ashish and 3 other people liked this
"To learn appreciative thinking is to learn to appreciate, to learn to see the value of things. More or less the opposite of critical thinking. That I had to make up a phrase shows the problem. I have complained many times about an overemphasis on critical thinking at universities. Sometimes I’d say, “Have you ever heard the term appreciative thinking? No? How many times have you heard the term critical thinking?”"
- Michael Nielsen
Perhaps the most valuable lesson in this vein I learned from Peter Elbow (courtesy of a grad prof who saw me struggling with an alternative ed environment where my hyper-critical approach was most definitely not valued!) -- here is an updated version articulating "The Believing Game" or "Methodological Believing" written in 2008: http://works.bepress.com/cgi...
- Mickey Schafer
I also think scientists practice this kind of inquiry more often than they realize. When deciding on a method design, for instance, eliminating "wrong" choices isn't the challenge. Instead, the researcher has to imagine/visualize competing options as though they had happened, and this is an act of methodological believing -- and I think is a critical strategy in basic science. Funny that we do it far less as readers, though Elbow does a good job of providing a brief history of why this might be so.
- Mickey Schafer
I wonder if peer review as a public process wouldn't be more acceptable if it were done with appreciative thinking.
- Mickey Schafer
A good reminder to look for the positive but as some of the commentors said, it is a very skewed view of critical thinking. The comment about philosophy depts. is spot on, sadly. In my lowly humble opinion I think this is a result of the academic game, esp. as currently played out. Status & point scoring, showing others to be wrong is more valuable to getting a job/tenure than is building. To me, appreciative thinking is a part of critical thinking.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Mickey - Very interesting, and accords with my experience in a very different area. I've found that that frequent switching back and forth between different modes of thought helps a lot. Being "right" every step of the way seems to be useless - it's too confining to do good creative work. On the other hand, being wrong in productive ways seems to be something of an artform; it's easy to...
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- Michael Nielsen
Right now, it seems that the approach to open science really focuses on a product -- an object of some kind (data, text) that can be shared/re-purposed. There needs to be a second element -- the process itself. A record of the thinking ("think alouds" is the term in education studies) that accompanies the project. I think this is where Open Science could make even more of a contribution -- revealing process has more catalytic potential than even sharing failed approaches.
- Mickey Schafer
Too many of the criteria suggested are entirely subjective "Did the authors show good taste in their choice of problem?". Good taste?
- AJCann
This sounds to me like a misunderstanding of the "critical" in "critical thinking". It doesn't mean "attack thinking"! Properly understood, critical thinking and the proposed "appreciative thinking" are not opposites; they are not even different in a meaningful sense, the latter being part of the former.
- Bill Hooker
Hi, Bill. The comments in the post do address this issue. But, I agree with the writer that when we learn to discuss research, we do so in a manner which is "attack thinking" -- at least, this is the tradition which most of my peers were trained in. I very much contend with this when introducing students to open research and open access publishing. They immediately begin asking the...
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- Mickey Schafer
@Mickey -- you're right, "attack thinking" is much more commonly taught and practiced than real critical thinking. Given that, I can see the value in stepping back and explicitly asking "what's good about this?", since the standard response is all about "what's wrong with this?".
- Bill Hooker
the 4 year old got confused when I told him that today was the first day of winter
VAL D. Zone liked this
I still find that confusing.
- s t e v e
winter is like the queen, it has two birthdays ;) There's the common sense one- 'It's bloody cold, it's winter' and the astronomical- 'accountants in bedsheets are doing something with mistletoe and the church is stealing their holiday, it's winter'
- Pete
In some parts of the world, Pete, summer is the same. Especially at an American Uni on the semester system. "Summer" here at Illinois starts mid-May & it may even be hot, too.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
lately i've been hearing the distinction of "meterological" whateverseasonitis. like "meterological winter" starts december 1, spring is march 1, summer is june 1 and fall is september 1.
- Katie
Perceptions - http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarks...
The mill of oblivion. Spot on!
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Authority control, then and now - http://scienceblogs.com/bookoft...
Mar₭ Liŋdŋer liked this
dude. if Mark liked this, I can't have gotten it TOO wrong.
- D0r0th34
:D I even copied the link into a document I'm drafting re this topic for my boss. The way I figured it was that your thoughts helped me validate (part of) mine on the topic. Bottom line gist: An "authority control" position is now/future more important than it has ever been. Understanding legacy library systems, newfangled systems coming, different URI schemes & repositories, ..., calls...
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- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
yeah, ORCID is going to be a cast-iron bitch to implement in library systems, I suspect... because we'll all find what I've found, which is that a lot of academic authors are OMG FREAKING OBSCURE.
- D0r0th34
also, if anybody is an expert in the history of "value engineering," HAVE I GOT A JOB FOR YOU.
- D0r0th34
Here's a photo my dad took of me & Mr. 4 chowing down on some cookies at his preschool yesterday.
Victoria Plautia, Catherine Pellegrino, Jaclyn and 19 other people liked this
"Oh, Jeebus! A camera!"
- josh neff, geek at large
I *love* that your dad is man enough to attend preschool. And, moreso, to let you mention it in public. ;)
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
And one down: Thanks to a link this morning (intended for other purposes), I'm now informed of a huge new set of areas in which I am never, ever, ever expected/allowed to say anything whatsoever. (Not personally, but as one of a certain "type"). Sigh.
Grrrr! Not liking this.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
What's this from?
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
Wut?
- s t e v e
Kendra: If I say, I get in the middle of it. Actually, it's happened at least twice this week, but with different sets of areas.
- Walt Crawford
TOP SECRET DRAMA!
- s t e v e
I'm going to be teaching a 3-credit course that the library offers (Information Research in Social Sciences and Humanities) and am busy now crafting a syllabus for the spring 2010 semester. Any suggestions to this list of terms & concepts I expect students to be conversant with by the end of the semester? Feel free to add to the document....
Sir Shuping, Pete, John Dupuis and 4 other people liked this
Fantastic list. What do you expect them to know or be able to do pertaining to evaluation?
- marthalib
Ditto to Martha's comment, plus perhaps a general 'research ethics' and 'information ethics' heading
- Pete
What Martha and Pete said. What kind of preparation/prerequisites will the students have coming in? Is this a first course, or one for students beginning upper-level study in their majors?
- Catherine Pellegrino
Martha: for evaluation, I want them to have a set of criteria that they can applied depending on the information need they have. So if they need to make sure source is authoritative, they will know how to research who the author is and that author's expertise on a given subject. I'll also emphasize the usual criteria: timeliness (may or may not be important depending on the need), relevance, quality of argument, etc.
- Stephen Francoeur
When we teach this course in the fall, it's mostly all freshman. In the spring, when I'll be teaching it, it will be mostly sophomores and juniors. No pre-reqs.
- Stephen Francoeur
Ah, yes. We assign a similar exercise, but it is tough to get students come up with their own set of evaluation criteria, so I'm looking for suggestions regarding how to do this. I still get students who say, "It is a credible article because it is peer-reviewed" and think that is sufficient.
- marthalib
That looks excellent, then. For the sophomores and juniors, I would definitely include something on what I think of as "the economics of information," which it looks like you're getting at with "publish or perish" and commercial vs. open-access publishing. Something about who owns information, and how money changes hands for the use and access to it.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I'm not thinking so much that the students need to come up with their own criteria but rather that they have an intentional set of criteria that they can selectively apply depending on the context.
- Stephen Francoeur
Martha- I use a clothing analogy to introduce ideas of time and place appropriateness, registers etc
- Pete
Ooooh, I like the clothing analogy. Martha: oops, just saw your other thread...moving my comment there!
- Catherine Pellegrino
Yes, trying not to threadjack :)
- marthalib
Feel free to threadjack, Martha. I like where the conversation is going anyway.
- Stephen Francoeur
I truly don't mean to be a smartass, Stephen, but define "information" and "knowledge"? Seriously? Perhaps in the context of your evaluation criteria above--regarding their particular info need--that's possible. Or is it more like an intro level philosophy course definition in that you can define it in the context of the argument you are critiquing/making? I ask because I am not audacious enough to try & define either of those terms and they are both special areas of interest for me.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Operational definitions perhaps- one you can use in everyday work, not a fully worked out philopsophically rigorous analysis?
- Pete
Right, that's the short way to put it, Pete. Thanks. But there are so damn many of them and every one is seriously limited, even in an armchair analysis. But then they may be of value in limited domains if not pushed too far. Tis a minor point but wondering what Stephen is going for. All in all, I think this sounds like an excellent course. :D
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
if it were me, I think my goal would be to show the fish that they're swimming in water, if you take my meaning. The exact composition of the water is less a concern at that level.
- D0r0th34
Nicely put, D. :D
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
More potential terms for the list: primary and secondary sources, evidence, argument, thesis.
- marthalib
Personally, I'd be a lot more interested in seeing how you structure the assignments. It might be interesting, for example, to get them to work on defining the academic discipline they're working on. Lists of terms kind of turn me off, Like D I'm more interested in whether or not the students can take part in a conversation about the nature of scholarly communications in a couple of disciplines. BTW, I think this xkcd is relevant: http://xkcd.com/675/
- John Dupuis
Just had a great conversation with the head of instruction here and am rethinking my overall approach to this course. I'll comment more when I get off the reference desk later this afternoon.
- Stephen Francoeur
Don't forget to take your stuff off Etherpad, if you wish to keep it.
- carolh
Wow, so do your students really know and understand all those concepts by the end of the semester?
- Joan
Joan: Don't know. I haven't taught the course yet (will be doing so for the first time this spring).
- Stephen Francoeur
I'm thinking now more about framing my course less on "how to library" and more on exploring how the process of inquiry and the process of researching what others have said will lead to knowledge or insight or argument. I want them to see how inquiry + research will lead to them to their own point of view. When I get a syllabus put together, I'll share it here.
- Stephen Francoeur
Stephen, that sounds like a good way to go about it.
- s t e v e
Sounds excellent, Stephen!
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
I declare this the Official Laura X Birthday Thread for 2009!
Paulette Garcia Morris, Kol Tregaskes, Amber, Random Time Lord and 29 other people liked this
Happy birthday, Laura. I'm glad you are my friend.
- s t e v e
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LAURA! :)
- josh neff, geek at large
happy b-day laura!!! hope it's a great one!
- Sir Shuping
three cheers for laura x! hip-hip...
- D0r0th34
YAAAAAAAAYYYY! HAPPY BIRTHDAY ICE WATER SWIMMER!
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
and uh... Hoorayy
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Happy Birthday Laura :)
- Pete
Happy birthday, Laura!
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
...HOORAY! Happy birthday!
- Catherine Pellegrino
happy birthday, laura!
- Katie
Happy birthday, Laurax! :)
- Laura B.
Laura, you're a thoughtful and passionate librarian, and you're a thoughtful and compassionate friend. Happy birthday.
- lris' ghost
Happy birthday Laura X!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Ditto. You rock, Laura.
- Jàson Puçkett
hooray!
- Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1
Happy Birthday Laura!
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Thanks, all! Barry, the *water* isn't actually icy, just the outdoors.
- laura x
A glorious birthday to you Laura!
- Galadriel C.
All the best! May it be one #hotmess of a time!
- sofarsoShawn
Happy Birthday to Laura! :-)
- vicster is...
Have a frabjous day.
- cecily
Happy birthday!
- Alex Scoble
Feliz cumple, Laura! :)
- JA Castillo
Happy Birthday.
- Walt Crawford
Happy Birthday Laura! I hope your day is wonderful!
- tab thinks you're awesome
birthday haiku: Up in Meeteetse/hanging out in the cold snow/ celebrate Laura!
- ÉllbeeÇee
Buon compleanno!
- Greg Schwartz
Happy Birthday Laura1!
- Abigail
Happy birthday!
- Spidra Webster
Happiest birthday Laura
- Kathryn says love n peace
from iPhone
How did I miss this? Happy Birthday :)
- marthalib
I hope you have had the loveliest of days, Miss Laura X.
- Derrick
Happy Birthday, Laura X!
- Ayşe E.
happy birthday
- Kamilah Gill
Happy Birthday!
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I hit you up on FB, but now Steve has provided me with a place on FF. Hope your day was excellent!
- Kaijsa Calkins
Aww, thank you all so much!
- laura x
Happy Birthday, Laura!
- Micah Wittman
Happy Birthday, Laura! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
John Unsworth made point that when all books are digitized (will happen sooner than we think) it will have a transformative effect.
Shouldn't disagree with my dean & advisor ... but ALL books? Not likely, by most any definition of "all." Most, certainly.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
The fact that the weather icon on the iPod touch always says 73 seems just plain mean sometimes- it is -7 (F) out.
RAPatton, Christina Pikas, Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF and Laura B. liked this
Then you're using the wrong app, I s'pose. ;)
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
i always wondered about that - if the calendar icon changes to show the actual date, then why can't the weather one change for the actual weather? i guess takes too much bandwidth or would be slow
- Christina Pikas
it may have to do with what information is available to the actual operating system. system probably knows what day it is, but would have to check with an app for weather. since background apps are verboten on iPhone OS, no weather icon change. that's my guess, anyway.
- D0r0th34
Just move to San Diego and it will always be correct.
- s t e v e
I'm sure they could come up with some icon that didn't come off as a giant middle finger to the rest of the country. :P
- Kårín Dalzĭel
That's why I use a different app that doesn't tease me like that & moved Apple's native weather one to my "unused" screen. Either way I have to fire up the app but this way I don't have to get the giant middle finger of it's sunny and 73. :D
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
What do you use, Mark? I never even looked for a weather app, because apple doesn't usually allow apps that "duplicate the functionality" provided by the native apps. (hence, no gmail app)
- Kårín Dalzĭel
totally agree with the 73º complaints; why can't they customize it? otoh, I <3 the Weather Channel app. Its only failing is it doesn't put the temp on its icon, but in all other ways, it's superior to the native weather app.
- Stephanie_Thankful
I got my iPhone in the spring in Los Angeles. For the longest time I thought the app icon did show the actual temperature because it often was around 73 (especially if I was checking it in the morning).
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I use The Weather Channel too.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
For what it's worth ... But they still blog: the liblog Landscape 2007-2009 by Walt Crawford is now in LibraryThing: http://www.librarything.com/work...
Oops, not sure that opening sounds like what I meant to say. :(
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Mark: I love the way you put it. Personally, I have no idea what it's worth, just what it sells for...
- Walt Crawford
Well, in that case, I guess it is perfectly OK then. :)
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Finally seeing this Lady Gaga person in a music video. Yikes.
aden liked this
I know. She makes me feel so old, so she's doing her job.
- s t e v e
Yikes! Finally driven to have a look into this Lady Gaga person. Doesn't make me feel old, Steve, and not sure what it makes me feel but I sure don't want to feel *whatever* it was. http://www.ladygaga.com/badroma...
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Trying to get my ASIST 2009 photos up. Still. More to come....
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
The Pros & Cons Of V Magazine 's Plus-Size Issue [Mag Hag] - http://jezebel.com/5424221...
This makes me mad & sad that these women are considered plus size. This world is beyond insane.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Trying to enter ebooks read this year into Zotero in prep for EOY blog post. Not counting on metadata issues fro ebooks improving from earlier.
you can't just export the metadata from worldcat?
- Christina Pikas
Well, yes and no. I had been trying to point to the places I got the books but maybe they are in Worldcat now. I best look. My guess is that most records there will be (more or less) provider neutral & it is so hard to tell one ebook from another. Keep in mind I have been reading out of copyright things from feedbooks, Project Gutenberg, etc. No ISBNS, often incorrect metadata, no edition statements, .... Thanks for the reminder to try though. :D
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Looked the 1st one up in Worldcat & found 11 hits but it is impossible to tell if any are the one I got--source for most is OAIster. This is my biggest gripe about free ebooks; it's like the Wild West. Almost no one claims which edition they got their scans/text from. Most end user sources are getting them from 2 or 3 main sources which might or might not be specified. I am enjoying reading these books & am glad to have easy access to them but bibliographically this end of the sphere is a mess.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
As for exporting from Worldcat, these records harvested from OAIster have no metadata attached to them so Zotero does not show the import button. Using the EndNote export format gets me title, author & date only; not even a URL to anything. I could type that much as easy as the additional step of searching Worldcat.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
A Public Service Announcement - http://waywardclassics.blogspot.com/2009...
Orestes and the Furries
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Americans Consume 34GB of Content a Day [Information] - http://lifehacker.com/5422504...
If this is anywhere near correct then my consumption is much nearer to half of that total.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Note that most of that "consumption" is radio or TV, and includes a whole raft of assumptions...but you may be right, since the claim is still that the average household leaves the TV on for something like 8 hours a day. (Which puts us closer to one/eighth the average consumption...) [OK, they used average "viewing" of five hours per day per person.]
- Walt Crawford
It's worse than that: 95% of that "consumption" is TV, movies and computer games, with computer games the largest of those. And "words consumed" may have gone up enormously since 1980, but since "consumption" includes having talk radio on in the background... (All *non-gaming* computer use adds up t0 0.26% of total bytes "consumed.")
- Walt Crawford
The biggie: 21 million high-performance-PC gamers "consume" nearly 39% of all "content." So, you know, there's no such thing as average consumption. (There are 21 million high-performance gaming PCs in the US? Being used an average of 86 hours per month for gaming? I don't disbelieve it, but wow.)
- Walt Crawford
Does Testosterone Have a Bad Rap? - http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarks...
Seems a bit simplistic but Hmmmm?
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Has there ever been a Midwest FF meetup?
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*bump*
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Where in the Midwest are you, Sarah?
- josh neff, geek at large
Hi Josh, I'm in IL. But I'd be willing to travel.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I'd be willing to travel, too, should this happen. Am guessing Oklahoma isn't at the top of anyone's "to visit" list.
- Kirsten
IL but I have been known to pass through OK.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
from iPod
@TaraLSF Well, it's attempting to attack the trail mix in my bag. It was very cute and earnest about it, though. :-)
@TaraLSF It was also polite; just adamant in its politeness. "Get at" is far better than "attack." :D
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Sexuality and Implications for Librarianship « The Funky Librarian - http://eemoore80.wordpress.com/2009...
sistema428, Iván Abrego, Bluesun 2600 and 9 other people liked this
"How does normative sexuality manifest itself in librarianship? How can library collections, policies, and programming teach students to deconstruct heterosexuality–to view it as a specific identity, social class, and distinct sexual orientation instead of the default or “natural” class? For example, how might a librarian begin to shape scholarly inquiries by constructing subject guides that separate heterosexuality from Women’s, Gender, and Queer Studies? In other words, I tend to find many helpful guides that organize sexuality studies under a larger umbrella of Sexuality, Gender, Feminist, or Women’s studies; but I’m starting to wonder if those classifications are specific enough–if they isolate heterosexuality enough to be “interrogated” or questioned."
- cecily
from Bookmarklet
Speaking of defaults, why should a postmodernist, critical social "theory," cultural studies orientation to the world be the default basis for organizing these topics?
- Christopher A Carr
And why should librarians think it necessary to "shape scholarly inquiries" to conform with one particular academic orientation?
- Christopher A Carr
Yes, they should just bow to the patriarchy, and get on with implementing the dewey decimal system.
- Cliff Gerrish
That's a little passive-aggressive.
- Christopher A Carr
*sigh*
- cecily
*seconds cecily's sigh and adds one of her own*
- Katy S
I thought this was going to be about the "sexy librarian" look (sorry)... I have to wonder though how this line of reasoning would apply to "men's rights" or "white pride" movements.
- Jim Norris
The organization of texts is inherently political (an expression of power).
- Cliff Gerrish
*thirds the sighing*
- D0r0th34
Cliff: Right-wing blow-hard: Look, folks, see? Those Frenchy philosophy-spouting, neo-Marxists are trying to "shape" the very nature our children's inquiries!... I think the obfuscation-loving, Foucault and Derrida-spouting, "campus left," is, on whole, not doing the broader left in the US any favors.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, I can't tell if you're trying for satire or that this is how you really feel. If you're trying for satire, you're missing it. If this is how you really feel, I'm tired of it already.
- cecily
Jim, I think it could be applied to any area of scholarly inquiry (which is, I assume, is the original poster's point). If an academic is studying any culture/group that is considered the norm, the librarian's job is to support that area of investigation with resources, and materials that support that line of inquiry. The issue, as I see it, is that the dominant culture isn't studied in...
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- cecily
Cecily: I wish we had line breaks here. The part after "Right-wing blow-hard:" is my imaging what a "person" like Rush Limbaugh might do with this. It's my position that the jargon-y, post-etc left harms progressive efforts in the US.
- Christopher A Carr
Crushing dissent is so much more attractive when it comes from the left... Are you really afraid of what Rush Limbaugh thinks?
- Cliff Gerrish
Go derail a thread elsewhere, Cliff. Nobody's crushing anything here, and none of us are dumb enough to fall for your okey-doke. Moving on...
- cecily
What "dissent" are you referring to?
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: Thank you for the exposition. I thought maybe that's what you were going for, but my Spidey Senses were tingling in an uncomfortable way, and I didn't want to assume any further.
- cecily
I'm glad Christopher is here to say what I'm thinking. Less work for me.
- Eph Zero
+1 Eph Zero
- Kurt Starnes
I think I got lost in this "discussion" but if I'm even beginning to grasp anything from it then add me to the sighing. I don't know if librarians ought be "shaping scholarly inquiries" but we sure as hell ought be shaping and reshaping via active questioning the ways in which the outputs of those inquiries are organized, call it info/knowledge/scholarship or whatever. And that, my friends, will influence those inquiries.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
I think a number of us got lost, Mark, but I'm curious why/if people reacted so strongly to the idea of a librarian shaping a line of scholarly inquiry. I would imagine in some academic libraries, that as members of the faculty, librarians are expected to contribute in some way to scholarship, aren't they? Or do we see the librarian's role as a support role alone?
- cecily
Oh, I agree with you cecily, especially in our own field or if one has subject qualification/knowledge in another area. but I can be longwinded so took the short road. I do think that in many ways librarians affect inquiry, intentionally and otherwise, and that sometimes that is a good thing. I could only object in certain specific cases & not in general.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
I want to teach our gender/women's studies/sexuality students about how normative and just plain ancient library organization is (well, LC classes and LCSH primarily). What's interesting though is the extent to which librarians have been involved in these programs from the start. It's an interesting yin-yang reflection of our conservative-progressive selves.
- barbara fister
Sounds fascinating (and sadly true), barbara. I like the "yin-yang reflection" thoughts.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Hope Olson has written a lot on this, as has Sandy Berman.
- Pete
Hope Olson who taught Iris & me cataloging in library school?
- josh neff, geek at large
Well and I don't know :) But probably. I did an essay on classification so read a lot of their work. Coming from a Pol Sci background the notion that classification structures might reflect larger social structures was... easy to accept ;)
- Pete
I like Hope Olson, have heard her speak several times, and look forward to seeing/hearing her again. I will not discuss her research methods in polite conversation though.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Nutella poundcake was fantastic! Dense, not too dry, plus choc-hazelnut creaminess throughout. Great w/ice cream & an oatmeal stout.
Whoa, Nelly! Now you're talking ... ice cream, poundcake AND an oatmeal stout!! Would you send me recipe plz?
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Sent! Yes, the oatmeal stout was a late addition - we're trying lots of local brews now that I can drink again. Yay California :D.
- Jaclyn
Got it and replied. Thanks!
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Nutella poundcake it is. In the oven and smells fantastic. Will tell you tomorrow how it turns out.
Alix Whitmire, John (a.k.a. dendroica) and Derrick liked this
That would've been my choice. It has potential anyway. :D
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Film Preservation: Take a Video Tour of the Library of Congress Nitrate Film Vaults in Culpeper, VA - http://www.resourceshelf.com/2009...
For Tracy P
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Do you have an objective listed on your résumé? Why or why not?
Jim: Dead Like FF, Kol Tregaskes, Amber, Random Time Lord and 6 other people liked this
I have a Summary of Qualifications instead. I've been in my field so long that people already know my objective.
- Shevonne
Nope. Takes up space I'd rather use for other things (assuming 1-2 pg resume). If an objective needs to be discussed, it goes in the cover letter.
- Kirsten
Not anymore.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I do, but I haven't updated my resume in years. It's hard to interview yourself. Business Owner -->
- Jason Huebel
No; same as Kirsten.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
As a hiring manager I tend to disregard resumes with no objective. I also use stated objectives as a sorting tool.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Rule mankind using your company to do so
- Mo Kargas
No, it seems redundant.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Pete, what industry/area do you hire for?
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Education, Mark.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Mo, hired.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Seems like it really varies depending on the field. I've found that they're a lot less common in the tech field than other fields.
- Rochelle
No. My objective is always the job to which I'm applying. The "objective" on a résumé can ONLY have negative consequences.
- Mistletoe Glen
My objective is to make the most money while doing the least amount of work.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Thanks, Pete! I do think it varies across discipline/industry/area. And even then it varies from one book/online guide and from one HR person/search committee member to another that some of us dread ever finding the right combo for the job app at hand.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Having spent most of my career as a consultant working with various government agencies, I was very familiar with MOU's (Memorandum of Understanding) and RFQ's (Request for Qualifications.) When I found myself looking for a new job I simply combined those concepts into one that I felt would work the best for me, which was a RFU (Request for Understanding.) It's not easy getting work when you're 50 plus!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
p.s. I tried this with my erstwhile spouse, too. That didn't work any better than it did for the job search.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
does 'gotta feed my kid' count as an objective?
- Morgan Haley
no. i use a summary. my objective should be obvious: get the job. instead i summarize my qualifications and tell them why they'd be straight up fools not to hire me.
- tiffany
*looks up from cartoon re-runs* Resume?
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Objective? I object to taking a girl out, nice dinner, theater, and then she won't even... /moviequote /whichone?
- FF's Bubba of Arizona
Since I am so fucking happy with my current employment situation (they are probably reading this) I don't need an updated resume. ps. my boss is super, super awesome...
- Morgan Haley
LOL, sounds like Morgan's shooting for a Christmas bonus. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
No, not enough room. ;-) I have a Profile and Achievements, as well as the usual but not Objectives.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have kept a version with and one without. I use the one w/o more.
- Jim: Dead Like FF
An increasingly common Twitter/OAuth scenario... - http://efoundations.typepad.com/efounda...
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Indeed, Andy! My fiance and I both passed on some app that wanted that ability this morning ... and this one had no reason to need that capability.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Just picked up new pbk copy of Conrad's Lord Jim (Penguin Classics) for $4.90 even though I'm almost halfway done on my Touch with the free version. Sort of feel like I sold out but all the extras (Intro, notes, etc.) are worth the cost. Now I can begin a different free novel on the Touch. It all works out! :D I guess Wilkie Collins' The Legacy ...
The Legacy of Cain is up next.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
IT IS FREEZING IN MY OFFICE!
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MINE TOO!
- holly
ME THREE! (But I'm at reference right now, which isn't so bad.)
- Kirsten
time to begin survival mode. everybody strip and cuddle!!!!
- Morgan Haley
Holy crap, mine too. I thought I'd walked into a penguin zoo habitat when I opened my door this morning.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
You all can each have about 2 degrees from my overheated area; maybe 3 each. :(
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
um, did you all miss the 'strip and cuddle' recommendation? do you care about surviving this ordeal? it's go time people! this is what we have trained for! so quit your grinnin' and drop your linen!!
- Morgan Haley
The Meeteetse Chocolatier visits Paris: http://wyofile.com/2009...
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We need to have a Meeteetse Chocolatier vs. Legacy Chocolates Smackdown. http://www.legacychocolates.com/info...
- marthalib
I volunteer to judge.
- s t e v e
I'm not sure that the South Bend Chocolate Company is in this league, but I think it wants in on the action: http://www.sbchocolate.com/
- Catherine Pellegrino
I humbly submit myself as a judge. Or will buy my spot if need be. ;)
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Digital Natives, Scholarly Immigrants? - http://acrlog.org/2009...
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Well, that makes sense. Of course, there is the notion that the Nation of Scholarship is also changing and maybe soon *we* will be the immigrants ;)
- Pete
equivalency between plagiarism and IP questions really squicks me. the former question is ethical, the latter legal.
- D0r0th34
malus in se and mala prohibita... is plagiarism wrong in itself, or just because it is 'outlawed'? And what of IP?...
- Pete
As I read that piece, it's saying that most college students don't understand the ethics of plagiarism--and has nothing to do with "digital natives," IP, or much of anything else. The piece could have been published two decades ago and said pretty much the same things (and been right, too). Or four decades ago...
- Walt Crawford
Walt, I agree -- also, I see little evidence among my students that there is a "Nation of Scholarship" emerging to which the digital native has special membership. Using Facebook does not prepare anybody for electronic scholarship practices.
- Mickey Schafer
The current ONLINE Magazine has a good article on the (lack of) brain-research evidence for revolutionary generational change (but some bigtime gurus make loads of money selling the concept, so...) Students failing to understand the reasons for original writing & good research: Nothing new, and a continual struggle.
- Walt Crawford
seems to me that article was talking out of both sides of its mouth. brain as plastic and flexible + differing generational experiences (which the article did not really dispute) = different generation, different brain. that the changes aren't GENETIC (which of course they're not) doesn't mean they're not THERE. the real criticism in the article is of the notion that experiences differ super-markedly based on age group.
- D0r0th34
It would be nice if the research on plagiarism within Writing Studies had been acknowledged. Rebecca Moore Howard's early work on patchwriting could have been useful to the conversation. The article references one of her books, but that's about it. Once again, the disciplines aren't talking to each other. So frustrating.
- Katy S
Trying to avoid threadjacking, but: Seems to me the Online article (which I read last night) was arguing for "generational" differences--but ones that aren't age-related so much as recent-experience related. The author *wants* there to be big generational differences (she makes that clear)--but the evidence is a little weak. (And I agree that plagiarism and IP issues shouldn't be conflated.)
- Walt Crawford
Walt - I agree. The article doesn't seem to make that distinction in the same way the blog post does. It's more a matter of differences in the way differences in technology change the way plagiarism is done. Also, the idea of plagiarism is a western cultural (and some would say capitalistic) concept. Different cultures have different ideas about appropriation and context in writing. But, that's another issue.
- Katy S
The issue of bad teaching regarding what plagiarism is, how to avoid it, how other folk's' work is used in scholarly communication--properly and not--has nothing thing to do with generational issues. As an undergrad at 40 I faced the same issues as the student who mentioned the lack of instruction in the article. Everyone said it was bad, don't do it, etc. and I *understood* the multiple reasons for that (Western/capitalist) attitude but it still sure as heck did not help me understand how NOT to do it.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
And there--the cultural differences--are where IP might rear its ugly head. Cf. Tom Lehrer, "Lobachevsky" (spelling uncertain). The difference between research and plagiarism? For music, the difference between inspiration and copying? (Cf. Peter Schickele...) Not always simple questions. (I was about to say "Never simple questions," but since I've been ranting about universalisms...)
- Walt Crawford
Certainly plagiarism is technologically easier to do nowadays but that too is not relevant to generational issues.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
And, oddly, it's not just that plagiarism is easier--it's that detecting (and, in my opinion, *over*-detecting) plagiarism is easier. (Over-detecting? When turnitin and other services yield results that, say, a sentence or two matches a source. If it's a paragraph or more, uncredited, that's a different story.)
- Walt Crawford
Very true, Walt! But that is one topic I am going to try very hard to stay out of.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Threadjack: Should I not have linked to this thread in a comment I just put on the original ACRLog post?
- Stephen Francoeur
Doesn't matter to me, Stephen, but then my feed is public. Can't/won't answer for anyone else, of course.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Is this is the Online Mag cite? -- "Digital Natives and Immigrants," Herther, Nancy K.. Online, Nov/Dec2009, Vol. 33 Issue 6, p14-21
- Joe
that should be it, yes
- D0r0th34
I'm going to try Turnitin this semester for the first time in the 10 years I've been at my current position. I've avoided it b/c it seems a bad model for dealing with scientific prose -- now, I'm curious to see how the program stacks up to my sense of what plagiarism may or may not be.
- Mickey Schafer
Joe: That's the citation. And, of course, you can always move forward to my column... (Or, sigh, to Peter Jacso's final column, after 15 years.)
- Walt Crawford
Mark -- you (and others) have made a good point about instructors failing to teach the "why" -- the cynical part of me suspects they don't know it or have absorbed the plagiarism-is-evil message without examining where it comes from. Purdue OWL used to have a great image that showed writing paradoxes encountered by new academic writers (like "say it in your own words" but "use expert...
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- Mickey Schafer
Mickey - Will you be sending all papers through turnitin or just ones you suspect of plagiarism? Do you plan to tell students you are doing this? There are a lot of ethical implications to using programs like this one. One that concerns many people is that each paper submitted to Turnitin is then stored and used by the company. Basically, they are profiting from the students' work, often without their consent.
- Katy S
Hi, Katy. I have every intention of telling students that I'm using it -- and I was planning on all work being submitted that way. There is a big push in my academic unit to go as paperless as possible, so I thought I'd try this out for one semester. I did know that Turnitin keeps the work -- it becomes part of the electronic record, and since one of the more common forms of cheating is...
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- Mickey Schafer
The why and how are both really important. The classes I teach, we get students who - in the plaintive words of one - "took engineering so I wouldn't have to write essays!" They don't know what citing *is*, they don't know why it's important, they don't know when to do it, and they don't know how to do it. So if we just launch into "Remember to cite and your lecturers want you using APA" it's worse than useless.
- Deborah Fitchett
Well, yes, it is an archive, but it is their archive that they use for their business. It isn't that they are publishing the students' papers, but they do profit from them. Rebecca Moore Howard, who I mentioned above, has created a number of bibliographies related to writing studies http://wrt-howard.syr.edu/bibs.... There are multiple bibs regarding plagiarism, including one for...
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- Katy S
One of the pedagogical problems I have with Turnitin and similar services is that some faculty use it to avoid having to teach about citation and plagiarism themselves. Instead of dealing with the conventions of writing and citing within their respective disciplines, they avoid the hard work of teaching students how to successfully complete the assignments for their courses and simply...
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- Katy S
Katy -- honestly, neither do I. But after a decade's refusing to use it with the intuitive claim that it won't work for my students, I feel like I owe the whole evidence-based movement something meatier. My plan is to give it a try for one semester and see what happens. I don't know that I'll submit an IRB for it (I don't know that I need to, but I'll check this out next week), but I'd...
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- Mickey Schafer
Katy and Deborah -- I totally agree that there is a developmental process with citation use and scholarly writing, regardless the discipline. It's why I have one of the more lenient set of practices amongst my colleagues. I discuss unintentional versus intentional plagiarism, I give NG (no grade) instead of F when work comes in clearly plagiarized, but also clearly not intentionally so...
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- Mickey Schafer
I'd love to find a short treatment of the philosophical/historical differences behind the various citation styles -- does anyone have a recommendation?
- Mickey Schafer
Mickey, thanks for the shameless plug. I'm printing it & will look it over this evening (hopefully). Most of my writing is humanities-based but I do a lot of reading in the sciences, too, so hopefully I can find the boundary crossing/applicable material.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Hope it works for you, Mark -- feel free to send comments my way!
- Mickey Schafer
Mickey - check out this bibliography on citations: http://wrt-howard.syr.edu/Bibs... . The titles by Bazerman are about APA. The Connors' articles have a broader focus. There are several other articles covering citation history in the list, too.
- Katy S
Thanks, Katy!
- Mickey Schafer
Wow, it's so gratifying to read through so many comments! Though I think I've unintentionally sown confusion with the title of my post. The original article by Lori Power didn't specifically pin problems with understanding plagiarism on this current generation of college students. I gave my blog post its title mostly to highlight that undergrads are new to academia, which of course has...
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- Maura Smale
Hi Maura! I think it is important to remind academics -- particularly the newest ones like grad students -- that undergrads are new to the process. A point that is less well represented and that we all tend to ignore is that the vast majority of our students don't want to become academics -- I think this becomes a kind of cultural problem b/c we tend to treat undergrads like newly...
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- Mickey Schafer
In a meeting a tutor- who had just left legal practice- said that plagiarism was not an issue in 'real world' situations.
- Pete
That's my experience, too, Pete. In fact, Walt Crawford remarked on a discussion on "self plagiarism" that only in academics is that a crime...in the real world, it's considered a smart survival strategy! (Did I get that close enough, Walt?)
- Mickey Schafer
I can't get to the original article b/c it costs $$. Sigh. But the study referred to in the abstract sounds interesting, and not so different in results from one called "Your Brain on Google" which also found that adults who were more experienced searchers used more parts of their brains while using the net.
- Mickey Schafer
Mickey: It's more than close enough. For freelance writers, reusing your own material is absolutely a survival strategy. Sometimes it's explicit (my Online column is typically based on Cites & Insights essays), sometimes just done. Usually, you're aiming at different audiences or in different media. And it's not plagiarism: It's creative recycling.
- Walt Crawford
Which is not to say that I don't understand why creative recycling is frowned upon in scholarly articles and actual research. Different conditions for different kinds of writing.
- Walt Crawford
One of the things I always loved about reading American Scientist is that the articles are written by the scientists themselves -- but for an educated lay audience. That is certainly an instance of creative re-purposing. Of course, there's no credit given for such activity (I don't think those kinds of publications count toward tenure, for instance), but they probably do segue into...
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- Mickey Schafer
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