It's sad that this is the immediate stereotype of rappers. Why don't they include blackface as well? sigh
- Tad
Tad, this is the discount package. From what I understand you can buy the enhanced version which promises a level of pretentiousness you couldn't find in R&B or Soul costumes.
- Christopher Harley
"The Star Wars Bath Robes($TBA; Nov 27 2009) for Star Wars fans! "The Jedi Dressing Gown is made of soft 100% cotton velour and has a Jedi logo embroidered on the front. The bath robe's large hood, sash belt and wide sleeves are classic features of a Jedi robe.""
- Bluesun 2600
from Bookmarklet
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
"I recently had a minor epiphany: I’m probably never going to buy another desktop PC. It shouldn’t have come as a revelation given that the last one I got (in January of 2007) sits largely unused, except when I need to grab a particular old file off its hard drive. Laptops give me everything I need from a computer, and their downsides–smaller screens, lower-capacity hard drives–are far outweighed by their multiple virtues. Market share figures show that the world’s made the leap to laptops, too–they’re the planet’s default personal computer, and it’s desktops that are now the variant device."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
I'll get rid of my desktop when laptops have dual 22" monitors, quad core CPUs, and powerful graphics cards.
- Christopher A Carr
I still use my desktop for all my daily work. Had a laptop let my sister have it, she needed it for her job. I got it back as she is going to Guam. But I use a desktop for a server and even to do my daily. Plus my desktop is much more powerful than my laptop and it can run two monitors.
- Patrick
I loves me PC Desktop, thank, especially since I upgraded top a 22" monitor. So nice.
- Brent - Loving Life
Yeah, as much as I complain about it, I'm never getting rid of the 7-year-old desktop. How else will I test the new Linux distros?
- Steven Perez
from IM
happy with my new desktop. not easy cramming a 2nd SATA hard drive into a laptop....
- Mike Nencetti
How do these laptop people download torrents overnight?
- Andrew C
Minus the whole monitor & graphics/computing power stated already, I think the reason desktops will be around for the long haul is the ease of upgrade & customization. I don't think we're going to see home-built notebooks or laptops with 6 extra bays for RAM upgrades any time in the near future. Essentially, desktops can last a whole lot longer through minor upgrades.
- Kyle Wegner
With an external HD, of course. ER, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD.
- Steven Perez
from IM
I plan on going back to desktops when I turn over my current hardware. Tricked out desktop, all the features I could ever want, half the price of a laptop, and 2 freakin monitors, and an HDMI output to my TV for Hulu viewing, and then a worlds greatest netbook for walking around, $350. I hate my monster size notebooks now.
- Matthew DeVries
I <3 my desktop and I <3 my laptop. They both have functions that I wouldn't want the other to do. For instance I wouldn't want my laptop on 24/7 running apps and serving up content while I am on the go. Nor would I want my desktop in bed with me.
- Geoff Schultz
i've been on a laptop for like forever now, with a desktop keyboard and monitor. but the thing i'm really done with is e-mail. I hate it.
- Brian Hendrickson
I do the Desktop/Netbook combo and I find it works great. I have a powerful desktop at home for editing video and a netbook for writing/browsing the web.
- Kevin Winn
Hell no, never, when hell freezes over, or when I can build a laptop from bitty parts (ok not tooo bitty). Besides, I'm still using parts from my build from 6 years ago (mainly the classic all-aluminum Lian-Li case....)
- Adrian
Out of my cold dead hands........................................
- Kevin J Hatton
I haven't been on a desktop in a long while now. For what I do, I haven't found the need for a desktop. Yes, my recent video editing tasks have annoyed me on my 13" aluminum unibody MacBook, but I'll eventually upgrade the Ram and it'll be fine. I like being able to carry my computer with me.
- Cheryl Jones
Perhaps whenever I set up a proper work area for myself, I'll get an external monitor and keyboard for my laptop to drive, but that's all I would need. And I download torrents just fine; I have to offload stuff a lot, but it doesn't bother me. Perhaps I'll upgrade my laptop HD soon.
- Cheryl Jones
I will continue to buy desktops because they are cheaper than laptops
- sjjh
I have both. Laptop's advantage: power consumption, portability, cool factor. Laptop's disadvantage: no maintainability, bad hardware choices. Desktop's advantage: flexibility, choice, maintainability, expandability. Desktop's disadvantage: cables, size, lack of portability. Both sets of disadvantages can be fixed but I suspect there will be far more likely on the desktop side than...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I have both, I can't see me getting rid of my desktop, I can upgrade it easily, it's faster, etc. I definitely wouldn't get rid of my desktop monitor, mouse and keyboard. It's unhealthy to work from laptop alone so if I only had a laptop and was working from it regularly I would still put it into the monitor, etc.
- Kol Tregaskes
Me, I'll probably always have a desktop computer at home. My current Dell P4 unit serves my purposes well (a few upgrades pending, of course, just for Windows 7), thought I'll eventually get rid of my current monitor for a widescreen one. My laptop is for carrying around, all over town and beyond. That way I can write on the bus.
- Dennis Jernberg
For day to day usage I'm almost exclusively on my laptop, but the desktop is handy because it's on 24 hours with a bucket load of hard drive space. It has far more computing power so it's great for converting videos and that sort of stuff. Plus I can remotely log into it. so it's not like I HAVE to sit in front of it. And they're dirt cheap these days as well. I don't think this is a binary situation.
- Eoghann Irving
I never thought I would, but I almost exclusively use a laptop now. I love the power and customization of a desktop and there isn't a thing I can't fix, but the laptop goes everywhere with me.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Laptops ... can't stand them, although they are handy at times. I use them only when I have to; that is, when I'm not at my desk.
- Kittyburgers
Laptops are pretty ergonomically terrible, unless you raise them up and use a separate keyboard and mouse.
- Ladybug Heather
... which, I guess, pretty much defeats the whole purpose of having a laptop in the first place.
- Kittyburgers
from IM
Yup, indeed it does. Then, the only advantage is that you can take a laptop out to a library or meeting or whatever.
- Ladybug Heather
No. There's too many things that Desktops are still needed for. My laptops are no where near as powerful as desktops can be. Makes HD encoding and other things much faster to process.
- John Wang
What other way have we for keeping people tied to desks
- James Tenniswood
James - I'd rather have a desk than a 'hotelling' system.
- Andrew C
Not until we've got ubiquitous computing.
- Victor Ganata
Not yet, maybe soon. I may skip the laptop altogether aad have slightly less computing power in my pocket. visa vi Iphone
- Tate DA FF MVP
my best friend got pissed when he was doing a bunch of pdf conversions (he is an attorney) and built himself a ridiculous monster with 24 gigs of ram - was the first time i had thought about getting a desktop in forever
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I need a new gaming desktop, but after I get that, I'll probably just try and take other people's old desktops. Hardware from a few years ago is still good. It's a shame everyone falls for the marketing campaigns and thinks they absolutely need new hardware every few years.
- Rudolf Olah
I will always have both laptops and desktops in my life. I have specific uses for both and apply them accordingly. Plus I hate gaming on a laptop. Always have, probably always will. :)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
People's hardware buying habits will probably evolve towards holding onto old hardware for longer. We're just starting to get used to the fact that due to quantum mechanics, Moore's law no longer really operates.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: Intel thinks they can get down to 7nm before that's an issue.
- Christopher A Carr
I just bought a new desktop after years of using laptops as my primary machine.
- ronin
That is Batman's reaction to the deal. He is taken aback by it, can't you see, and in that he represent the casual consumer of the Android's Dungeon
- RAPatton
That's Wolverine wearing Batman's costume.
- AJ Batac
it's the new face of micky mouse.. any resemblences to their new competitor are purely coincidental!
- alphaxion
Why I don't have a girlfriend. 1) The wife would have to approve. 2) If the wife approved I'd never get to see the girlfriend!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
That would put a damper on the proceedings.
- Steven Perez
Just forewarning - the public will be overwhelmed. It's too much to launch with, IMO - way too many features. (I'm in the developer sandbox preview)
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse Thanx 4 the forewarning I kind of have that feeling when the video presentation presents itself it will take a while to look around its features. I always take my time to test features
- polou/indigo_bow
I expect a steep learning curve. I've barely started learning about GReader, for that matter. Still, I'll be there when Wave launches, for sure.
- Dennis Jernberg
Unless they fix up a lot between now and then people are going to be very, very surprised (not in a good way!). Release early, release often is great, but I'm not sure people's expectations are realistic.
- Nick Lothian
Let's see what it's like then. Thanks for the info.
- Rick Cogley
Great now how long till Google buys Twitter to integrate it into Wave
- Rob Cairns
Rob, there is already a Twitter extension called Twave that integrates Twitter into GWave.
- Kol Tregaskes
Rob: I highly doubt that Google will buy Twitter as it doesn't fits any were with their existing products and with its integration with Wave what's the point of buying it.
- Usman Bashir
Usman - they will find a way to leverage it into Wave or another product.. I really believe Google is going going to make a big splash with Wave and they will have some big surprises in store. Google is not King of the cloud for a reason:)
- Rob Cairns
I've been secretly hoping that FFers, through one of our A-lister friends, would be reached out to for early invitation. Sept 30 is sooo far away!
- jcunwired
Thank Heavens for Google!! Every Computer User owes Google a Huge Thank U for FREEing us all from the Shackles of Greedy Monopolistic Crappy Microsoft* ;))
- Billy Warhol
I watched the video. So exactly what kind of beast Google Wave is? A social media platform? Can it aggregate as well as FriendFeed? Looks awesome to me. More like a tsunami. lols
- jan geronimo
I'll bump this again. Sorta disturbing that the the Scoble "look at me, I'm part of this" thread has garnered more attention than this. WAVE offers more promise at this point.
- Mattb4rd
Whoohoo - I am really looking forward to Google Wave - great news - thanks Zee.
- Robert Freeze
I still have the old family VCS from 1978. Needs a little repair and a new power supply, but otherwise perfectly playable. I've got about 60 cartridges for it too, and I'm still getting more.
- Dennis Jernberg
I remember wholesaling the cartridges (used) out of my garage!!
- Charlie Anzman
Yeah, sorry I couldn't respond to that one before. :-)
- Kevin Fox
well i be darned .... we now can rejoice, since fast paced additions to already good product are surely fastly coming about off the feedpipe ... it'l be a hectic season of finest upgrades ... I'm sure they'l start with keyboard shortcutze. ... I mean Google Reader rules on that. Intelligent to the extreme. ..Google.com, on the other hand - are we sleeping? .. not even "/" ??.. and that...
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- Petr Buben
Congrats Ben! Totally agree with Jason. Our latest project wouldn't have become feasible without Ben -- I'm just so glad we managed to get a fraction of his time before he left! :)
- Simon
Congratulations, Ben! You're joining an awesome team.
- Anne Bouey
Congrats, you are now a "big company"! ;))))
- K.D.
That's not my picture! They got the picture wrong! In fact, I didn't get the letter of hire either. :( Oh, Hi there, Ben...if that's your real name. ;)
- Josh Haley
Ben 2.0 ;-) Good luck in the new role!
- Andy Bold
Good luck Ben! With you our preferred service will go more interesting
- Roberto
from fftogo
Her Majesty, Queen Cassiopeia Floofybutt Puppypants, just went back to the SPCA. :-( Some of the vet techs recognized her from her stay there last fall. We know they'll take very good care of our girl until she finds a wonderful new family to love and protect.
While we were there, a lady was bringing in her sick puppy for vet care. It threw up in the parking lot, and the vet identified the illness as parvo. They had to euthanize the puppy in the parking lot. The poor lady was distraught.
- Ladybug Heather
The hardest part was closing her into the cage and hearing her bark as we turned around to go. I wanted so badly to turn back, but I knew better. When Scott and I got back to the car, we hugged and cried. Then we had lunch out.
- Ladybug Heather
Yet another cost of American health care. Lose the house, lose the puppypants.
- Ladybug Heather
Louis, I had to declare bankruptcy mostly due to health care costs. We're surrendering our house and moving into an apartment. We had to choose 2 of the 3 pets to move with us, and knowing I'm not up to walking her several times a day with my rotten joints, we knew it had to be the kitties. :(
- Ladybug Heather
*hugs* for Heather and Scott and your kitties - so sorry you're going through such difficult times.
- Miriella
Thank you Holly and Miriella. *hugs back!*
- Ladybug Heather
I'm so sorry. She looks like she was a wonderful pup. I had to return a dog to the humane society once, and it was so hard. I just got back in the car and cried. Someone tapped on the window to ask if I was okay, which was very sweet, but I just wanted to bawl and screech for a bit...alone.
- Melissa R. Weintraub
I'm tearing up over here. So sorry you ever had to make that decision.
- metalerik
I wish you were local we could have helped. I hate seeing dogs being given up to shitty circumstance. :( Hope she finds a new home soon.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Thank you, Praveen and Laura and Jim and Melissa and metalerik and edythe and Andrea. I appreciate your hugs and support, and I know Scott does, too.
- Ladybug Heather
:( sorry you are having to make such hard choices. Hugs to you both.
- WorldofHiglet
oh my heart is just breaking for you.
- R. Ferguson
Precious little dog with one black ear! God bless u. I know this was hard *hug*
- Caroline
from iPhone
Thanks, everybody...After my tears at the SPCA, I'm trying to move on. This is something I wasn't prepared for. I had a deep fear of dogs and was quite nervous when I came down here after Cassie had joined the family, but she and I bonded QUITE quickly (as my dad said from his visit about three weeks after I'd arrived). I never thought I'd be sad to say goodbye to a dog. Cassie changed that and changed me.
- Scott of Two Countries
Thank you also, WoH and Ruth and Caroline and Abby. Cassie really was the first dog Scott fell in love with, and he fell for her hard. He has such a warm and generous heart, with room in it for even big ol' scary dogs. Of course, such hearts are easier to break. *BIG HUGS* to all!
- Ladybug Heather
What an absolute heartbreak! I'm terribly sorry. She looks like a love of a dog. I bet someone will be thrilled to welcome her to a new home, and will take great care of her.
- Kathy Fitch
I don't know how I would have been able to make such a heart breaking choice. I feel so bad for the both of you having to go through all of this. Hope there's nothing but happiness in your future after this very hard time.
- Bonnie Foster
There's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said =( Hugs to you both, Heather and Scott...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
:-( I'm so sorry you had to make such a painful decision. Big hugs to you and your family.
- vicster is...
I volunteered at a shelter for a summer about 10 years ago. I saw the best in people. I also saw the worst in people. These stories break my heart. While looking for the puppy we just picked up, we saw dozens of ads place by people who could either no longer afford their pets, or had to give them up because of an unplanned move. It's heartbreaking.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'm sure that you both enriched her life. She was obviously lucky to have had you as part of her family.
- Matt G
I feel for you - i just would find it so incredibly hard to have to give up our dog, we've not had her a year but she's such a source of happiness and sanity. You made the least bad choice, though, in your position cats are a lot easier (cheaper, too) than dogs and you probably need the schedule flexibility too
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
OMG Heather, I cannot imagine having to make that decision. {{{{{hugs}}}}} She is such a beautiful girl, I'm sure she'll find a wonderful home really quickly. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
- Mellissa
Thank you all so much! Kathy and Bonnie and Tina and Yolanda and James and Paria and vicster and Mark and Kamilah and Anne and Tyson and Matt and Joelle and Mellissa -- your kind words and hugs have been so comforting and wonderful this weekend. I love this community here on friendfeed; it really is a special place, and I'm both privileged and grateful to be here.
- Ladybug Heather
Oh, what a very hard decision for you both to take. :-(
- Ton Zijp
Ok, Twitter is design retarded. Why do they make the content block centered on the page but only give you the option to put a background in that's left aligned??? It makes a good design nearly impossible because you don't know what the user's resolution will be. If they allowed you to center the background image you could make cool backgrounds...
... that would reveal themselves around the main content as the browser was resized. As it is now, my client is saying they can't see anything because they're not using a browser on a decent sized monitor even though I used a standard template for the object placement. It would be so easy for Twitter to just offer that one tiny option to center your background image.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Steven had me try Twitter when it first came out. I didn't tweet after three days.
- Joel Robert Perez
I guess I'm going to have to make an ugly tiling background (they want photos in it) ugh.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
thats the nature of design, any1 can paint a pretty picture, design is the art of applying that picture to a situation, ur right though, its difficult
- echostreamer
But the way Twitter has it set up it's pretty much impossible... The hardest part of web design is trying to make something that looks good at different resolutions. But in most situations you at least have control over where elements are going to appear on the page. Twitter basically forces you into a one-win scenario when they could easily offer an option to open up a whole world of...
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- Fa La La La Lindsay
good point, ive just accepted sites design negligence. i usuallly resize /save/upload my pics 6 or more times before i'm happy with them. also your point is 1 reason i mainly use friend feed
- echostreamer
I used a standard template for the first design and it looks fine on 1280x1024 but I will have to use the template for 1024x768 I guess.... so much smaller...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
i try to get the biggest pic possible that sites will allow my to upload, so i spend a lot of time dealing with those issues. maybe design your own site that you an make perfect and use social networks to redirect to the content on your site. then u can really master the art of design and have everything exactly how you want it, just a thought
- echostreamer
I'm with you. Now I design Twitter backgrounds for an HD screen (1920x1080), but I make sure it looks okay when its shifted to 1024x768. A centering option would make it so much easier.
- Dennis O'Neil
@Echo Streamer - we already have a website... this is for Twitter... my client wants a presence there... and it needs to look nice and reflect the design of the website. I can't just ignore it since it's the whole point of the project.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I'm with you, just finished doing two backgrounds yesterday and it sucks because at 1024x768 there's not enough space to use around the content box. Getting information across only becomes viable at 1280x800 upwards. Also, not being able to center the image around the content means that it is necessary to create backgrounds up to HD size so that you can accommodate everybody's resolution. Serious Twitter FAIL!
- Paul OFlaherty
Thinking about starting an online protest site to get them to add that feature!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
You mean people actually use twitter on the website?
- dthree
People find people/organizations/businesses to follow on the website... from a marketing perspective it's very important what your page there looks like.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Well, the question was mainly "how do I get around Twitter's retarded left-alignment of the background and come up with something that looks good at different resolutions?" I guess I didn't ask directly though!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I think that works really well, Lindsay! It degrades nicely at smaller resolutions. Agree, though, Twitter could stand a lot of improvement on background customization.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Hey is that a Brisbane Lions top in the background of the pic Johnny or is it a classic Fitzroy one? I guess Lions, but I can't quite remember the colours.
- Travis Koger
That or someone there is a West Ham supporter. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Nah it is Brisbane Lions. Aaah AFL, brings back memories of home.
- Travis Koger
Finally watching this on Netflix. It's pretty good. Even though I was not a HUGE fan of BSG. I think BSG was better than Firefly in terms of complexity of plot. Overall definitely worth watching. Anyone know why it got cancelled?
- Bindu Reddy
from Likaholix
FOX had it on at a really bad time. On top of that, they kept pre-empting it.
- Nine
And they aired the episodes in a seemingly random order.
- Kevin Fox
You may want to watch Serenity if you haven't already.
- Kim Landwehr
Kim, yes I watched Serenity ... People recommended Firefly to me after I posted that I liked Serenity :)
- Bindu Reddy
Awesome show. Seen the entire series a number of times and now watching it again with @subrbanoblivion (She's a FireFly virgin :P )
- Paul OFlaherty
One of my favorites. One of only two TV shows I own the DVD set for
- Deepak Singh
Yep, it was canceled because Fox epically mishandled it. Friday nights, aired episode 2 rather than the pilot first, moved it randomly to different days with little or no warning. One of several things I have yet to quite forgive them for.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Nothing Whedon has ever done was as tightly constructed as BSG... he's fairly sloppy on the storytelling front. It's dialogue and characterization where he shines.
- Roger Benningfield
But ultimately it was all revenge because they canceled Dark Angel after accepting it to "make room" for Firefly. Firefly was better, of course. But still, the cry for justice caught the ear of many vengeance demons.
- Mark Horne
Didn't mean to start a debate....(but pepsi rocks.)
- Joel Robert Perez
Who cares, I drink whichever one has the better promo going on. Last year that was Pepsi + Amazon
- LANjackal
Pepsi tastes like Heaven, Coke tastes like a slap in the mouth. Plus Coke is apparently old, crotchety and set in their ways. Pepsi evolves with the times.
- Joe Pierce
I like both myself, but Coke *does* have more of a... *zing*, shall we say. Then again, I *do* like the new Pepsi logo.
- Ron Bailey
Let's just pretend New Coke never happened...
- Rob Haas
There is something to be said for staying true to oneself, at least in a logo. Both drinks have changed drastically since their first inception. Pepsi reflects this change. Either way, I almost never have soda and stick to my Arizone Green Tea Packets where all I have to worry about is a tiny bit of Splenda vs heaping servings of HFCS
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I sensed a disturbance in this part of FF and I was right on. Anyway, to set things right... Coke > Pepsi. The End. Also see -->- http://bit.ly/OXpFC
- vijay
Pepsi is all about capturing the younger demo, which requires a rebrand every once and a while.
- Frankie Warren
You're right Frankie. I think the pic is just a little leg pullin' by a Coke lover =P
- vijay
Pepsi wins the taste test. Coke wins on the logo until the most recent 2008 Pepsi version.
- Dane
It's like wine, you have to choose the soda that best compliments what you are having. For bourbon, I prefer Pepsi, but with rum Coke is the proper choice.
- Reed Porter
Reed, exactly - Pepsi in rum is sacrilegious!
- Paul OFlaherty
TechCrunch is on Twitter's Suggested User List. They have been gifted about 880,000 followers by being on that list, AKA "SUL". That's worth a lot of money.
- Robert Scoble
So what are you saying? That they shouldn't leak the docs because they got a lot of followers from Twitter?
- Dare Obasanjo
That they leaked the docs to become more popular on twitter?
- Tyler Hurst
the point most people are missing is that TechCrunch states they have spoken with Twitter. I am sure Twitter execs know what's coming and are prepared
- Kevin
Tom: it's gotta be one consideration Mike is considering.
- Robert Scoble
Techcrunch did mention in one of their posts that Twitter is generating a lot of traffic for them. So the SUL does work for them. And it works for twitter as they stop TC from posting the documents
- Sidharth Dassani
Sure, Robert. But he's pushed it this far despite the SUL factor.
- Tom Guarriello
I bet that twitter prefers this to leak on techcrunch where Mike can spin some stories for them than to see the zip file with the docs appearing on a torrent site !
- Eschnou
So twitter kicks arrington off. does he publish the docs? does that help him?
- Tyler Hurst
If Twitter kicks him off get ready for a big time firestorm! (Just mistyped: "firestory"!)
- Tom Guarriello
Tom: Mike is a journalist. He also says that someone else will publish them, so might as well tell everyone that these things are knocking around in public.
- Robert Scoble
Even without the suggested users list, TechCrunch must be weighing the cost of enmity with the most popular startup in the Valley right now. Don't they write like 3 Twitter stories a day? What happens if Twitter stops talking to them and takes all their press communications to Mashable (who are already beginning to kick TechCrunch's butt with their social media savviness?
- Dare Obasanjo
Robert - Arrington is NOT a journalist. Journalists check sources. Process journalism is NOT real journalism. He's a writer.
- Tyler Hurst
How did Arrington not check his sources? He confirmed they are real docs
- Kevin
Yes, read all his rationale. Seems sincere in trying to separate juiciest from items he considers newsworthy. BTW, I do believe he is a journalist.
- Tom Guarriello
Which would they kick? Him with ~8K followers? Not TC with ~1million followers.
- Mike Shea
Kevin - not just this article. did you see his article on how the free google apps was gone when it was just a page layout change?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: I've been in the hotel room watching as Arrington checked his sources on a story. You're wrong on that one.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: almost all of TechCrunch's followers were gifted to him by TechCrunch (same with Mashable, by the way). Before the Suggested Users List came along both had fewer followers than me, Leo Laporte, and a couple of others. Being on the SUL is worth lots of money (I believe it's worth millions, if you stay on it for a few years).
- Robert Scoble
Tom - these are stolen documents. What does his rationale matter at this point?
- Tyler Hurst
Dare: yes, I'm sure Mike is considering all the consequences. Also, if these documents really do exist someone will publish them. When I quit Microsoft I told 15 people and I didn't even know the guy who leaked my story.
- Robert Scoble
For the record, so far, I have not been given the Twitter documents.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - so why doesn't Twitter just publish them? Get ahead of any new site?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: journalists have printed stolen stuff that's newsworthy in the past.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler: I don't know, but I bet that Twitter does not want these released.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler: I wonder, if I did have them, and I talked with @ev, would he offer to put me on the SUL in return for not publishing the documents?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - are they newsworthy because they're stolen or newsworthy because they're juicy? What good does this do?
- Tyler Hurst
Scoble - now that's a damn good question about SUL.
- Tyler Hurst
No journalist should have accepted to be on the SUL and at least at this moment ask that they be taken off.
- Stephen Pickering
Dare, to answer your original question, the SUL is a gift worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe even millions. Jason Calacanis has already set the price at $250,000. So, the SUL is, in effect, a bribe that can be used to keep journalists/bloggers/twitterers in line. If you had a gift in your hand worth hundreds of thousands of dollars you would think twice before turning that gift away. I know I would.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'd say no to that, @ev knows that those docs are out there now anyway. If you were the only with them (hypothetically speaking), then he might have. But he'd probably equate it to extortion. Would you really want that?
- Mike Shea
I think twitter could just delete the techcrunch account if it wants to make a point. SUL removal wouldn't do much as they already have a lot of followers from it.
- Darren Stuart
Stephen: that is a very difficult ethical position to arrive at, especially if your competitors are also on the SUL (Mashable is on the SUL right now).
- Robert Scoble
Darren: wrong. If you remove yourself from the SUL you immediately start losing followers and start falling behind your competitors.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - so you're saying that blackmail is okay as long as it benefits you?
- Tyler Hurst
Darren: in the race for advertising and PR and all that being at the top of the follower list gets you all sorts of goodies. http://www.wefollow.com for instance displays people in order of the number of the followers.
- Robert Scoble
How did the valuation for getting on the SUL end up being done? Is there a dollar value per follower based on link click throughs + ad clickthroughs?
- Dare Obasanjo
No one in the TC office yet, according to CrunchCam. Probably all sleeping. Boy today is going to be a busy day for them.
- Mark
Tyler: no. I'm not saying that. I'm hoping that if I am in any of these positions that I would take the high road. But living on the high road is very difficult.
- Robert Scoble
Dare: I used to help run a magazine with 100,000 subscribers that made millions in revenue every year.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - That's the answer I'd expect from you. Journalists ALWAYS take the high road.
- Tyler Hurst
Dare: you could use a CPM (advertising fee per 1000 viewers) of $5 and come up with some sort of valuation.
- Robert Scoble
You can't objectively report on a company who is paying you directly and for that matter its impossible to also be a journalist and the owner of the news organization. In the past there's always suppossed to have been a firewall between content and the business side. But that's out the window. Notice all the puff pieces about bing on the NYtimes. Hmmmm, I wonder if that could be all the advertising dollars? Hmmmmmm
- Stephen Pickering
Tyler: journalists don't always take the high road. There are several New York Times journalists on the SUL if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - I wouldn't say the NYT is a leader in journalistic ethics anymore, either.
- Tyler Hurst
Wise words from @arrington "News is stuff someone doesn’t want you to write. The rest is advertising."
- Mark
Stephen: exactly. Money does cause news organizations to carefully consider their coverage, even those who say it doesn't and that have a "Chinese firewall" between editorial and advertising.
- Robert Scoble
No one is in this tight economy its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: if I had the documents I'd have to consider its impact on my employer, Rackspace. That's why I disclose all my conflicts of interest.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - do you believe Arrington's claim that he just received these documents?
- Tyler Hurst
Robert: Trick is to take the employer out of the equation. What would you do if you were on your own?
- Mike Shea
Robert: good points, are techcrunch going to publish the stories is the question now? I think twitter is at a point now where it does not matter if techcrunch start a war with them if they were to just ban all techcrunch and employee accounts.
- Darren Stuart
There's no better publicity than bad publicity. Just remember that. Remember the whole Ashton and CNN thing? That turned out to be backed by twitter and created HUGE publicity for them. Something doesn't smell right. Not saying all bad publicity is good for both parties, but in a situation like this, it's plausible that both Ev/twitter and Mike/TC are just laughing their asses off as the publicity pulls in more page views
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mike is not a journalist. He is a self-confessed showboater.
- Mark Littlewood
Mike - so much for the honesty, transparency and authenticity we hoped social media and such would provide. A new ruling class has just replaced the old one.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler, especially with the whole mob thing and FF. Something is up here. Of course, I could be completely off my rocker and it's all just one big coincidence and Mike really is that much of a pompous ass.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
The twit poll on the issue from TC http://twtpoll.com/2a1oiv showed an overwhelming stance from the community that posting the information is unethical. It might be better for TC to let someone else (Mashable) post the information, resulting in removal from a SUL and gaining both ethical rapport with the community and an edge over competition. This is one story that would be rough to break, why is that only TC has the information so far? That is the more alarming concern.
- thestaticfrost
Well so far all he has posted about is the Twitter Reality TV pitch. So I suppose there is a chance Twitter convinces him to not post anything else. In my mind it would look bad if he backs down now given the perception of the SUL.
- Kevin Whalen
Mark: Mashable won't publish these either. They have benefited from the SUL a lot more than Arrington has.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, interesting POV, I would still personally stand down on the issue.
- thestaticfrost
ethics a side I think its a case of - if SUL pageviews > estimated story pageviews then do not publish
- Darren Stuart
Mark: on the SUL? Yeah, but the SUL is interesting and won't stop being interesting just because I stop writing about it. There are rafts of new journalistic text books being written because of it.
- Robert Scoble
The more I think about this...the more it seems plausible that twitter has been doing stuff behind closed doors to generate publicity. Who's heard of twitter going after ANY hacker? Why is it only TC that this email was sent to? If a hacker REALLY had this info, wouldn't they do something a bit less obvious? Like I dunno...sell the stuff? Which brings up another question....how much did TC pay for this info? I guess if TC continues to be on the SUL we'll know the answer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mike: what would I do if I were on my own? I'm biased toward publishing, but I need to know the facts first before I really could say one way or the other.
- Robert Scoble
To put it in reverse, maybe if you got the documents you could give them back to Twitter in exchange for getting on the SUL. :)
- Louis Gray
Mike: it's possible that the hacker works for TechCrunch or has a business relationship with TechCrunch. Mike has built a good network of people who offer him news before anyone else. The thing is now Mike has access to internal info at Twitter that will be hard to avoid in interviews with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Mike/Robert: If a less reputable blogger/company had this information, it would already have been posted and this conversation would be moving another direction. The pageviews would trump any SUL.
- thestaticfrost
mark - what a crappy way to make a name for yourself. publishing stolen documents to serve the public good is one thing, publishing as a smear campaign is wrong.
- Tyler Hurst
Mark: I don't believe that's true. Remember, TechCrunch only had about 50,000 followers on Twitter before being added to the SUL. I seriously doubt one story would get them more than 100,000, even if it was the most interesting, sexy story around.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler, it would be an awful way to make a name for yourself, I agree but that is not the issue.
- thestaticfrost
Louis: word gets around when you extort companies. It's not a good thing and almost always comes back on you eventually as the people involved move to other companies and spread the news around.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: if I had the documents I wouldn't use them as extortion for that reason. I know one guy who extorted a company and I'll always remember that.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler, if TechCrunch was doing it as a smear campaign they would publish a lot more of the documents and have started off with something other that a softball.
- Matthew McCowan
Arrington is getting it both ways here. He writes about it to say they're not going to post the most juicy stuff but he still gets most of the benefits of posting everything. A lot of people are talking about it. He's a master hypeologist.
- Justin Whittaker
Matthew - that was in reference to a small blogger grabbing the documents and throwing them all out there.
- Tyler Hurst
Justin: that is accurate about Arrington.
- Robert Scoble
Freaking Kelso is on the suggested users list, Arrington has 800K subscribers, hooray how many tweets fall silent in the Twitter forest. Much ado about nothing and the SUL.
- Patrick Boegel
Matthew - no, techcrunch is doing it for the page views, of course.
- Tyler Hurst
Robert, interesting tie of numbers into the SUL growth of TC. Perhaps there is an exorbitant value of the SUL, this story would just be pennies in comparison. I see no feasible monetary gain available for TC to violate this ethical issue.
- thestaticfrost
Patrick: even if you aren't on the SUL most of your followers aren't listening. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm sick of being monetized into the services I use.. It's almost enough to make me stop it all altogether.
- John Blanton
Says John as he drinks a $4 latte from Starbucks.
- Robert Scoble
"I'm sick of being monetized into the services I use." - Then turn off the TV and radio, don't buy any newspapers or magazines, or look at any ad-supported web sites. It's the way of the world.
- John Craft
Stupid posh coffee. Normal coffee, with milk, please.
- Mark
I guess I'm not seeing how the SUL status of TC is factoring. TC is going ahead and publishing the information they deem to be part of their news mission. Is the insinuation that if SUL status were not a factor, that TC would publish the entirety of the documents without culling non-TC mission-related information?
- Matthew DeVries
that is what I mean Robert, I follow you for interesting information, not because someone suggested it, sure there are people who sign on for Twitter and just follow a host of the suggested users I guess, but I just see zero value in that, there is nothing organic in it, so it does not bother me, I am pretty sure the likes of Tech Crunch and Mashable have each questioned whether being on there has hurt or helped. Followers and fans is pretty "loose" terminology, and a metric that gets dicey after some time.
- Patrick Boegel
I fully agree with the premise that SUL-Status is a COI consideration.
- Matthew DeVries
Patrick: Arrington tells me that being on the SUL has brought them audience and, therefore, money.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have a problem with Techcrunch releasing the articles they are, however don't say they are doing in for public interest. They are doing it for Techcrunch interest, nothing wrong with that, but lets be honest.
- Kim Landwehr
Right now the man with all the answers is fast asleep in his bed, dreaming of world domination
- Mark
Matthew: pat of the "Mission" of a business is never to shoot yourself in the foot.
- thestaticfrost
Can we just ignore the people who claim SUL status is not of value? It's like arguing with flat-eatherers at this point. Just accept it as fact and let's discuss how this value is affecting TC's behavior here.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: This is what happened when the lovely Veronica Belmont finally responded to my questions regarding the number of 'bots' following those on the SUL :http://ff.im/57MjU
- Jim Connolly
I'd like to see an estimate of the ROI of being on the SUL. Different for everyone, but it can be modeled. Would bring an interesting new perspective into the discussion.
- Peter Kim
Matthew - the only debate of SUL value would be total worth, not if it has a worth.
- Tyler Hurst
If I could offer you hundreds of thousands of extra hits on your website a year, for FREE, would you accept?
- Mark
Mark: there is no such thing as a free lunch.
- Robert Scoble
But that's a debate for a different thread. We're in the midst of a real time story right now, and we should be discussing how that thing of value is affecting TC's reporting of a story. I would contend it's not, as TC is going ahead and publishing the documents, without regard for loss of SUL-Status.
- Matthew DeVries
What if Twitter is using their influence at TechCrunch, to manage the delivery of this 'story?' Better that, than someone publish the story, with a negative spin.
- Jim Connolly
Matthew: how do you know it's not? Mike has already said he's talking with Twitter and he hasn't published the information. So, he gets best of both worlds. Gets credit for having the info, and now has inside access that no one else has. The SUL might never have even come up (I doubt it has, actually) but now we're wondering what kind of deal they made.
- Robert Scoble
That would be a good point, Jim, but what I've read from Arrington is that they're publishing the documents that relate to their news mission.
- Matthew DeVries
here is a link to a story that deals with Arringtons "wise words" http://ff.im/5g6LJ
- Marco
Matthew: yes, which leads me to think that he made a deal with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
TC has not let the cat out yet, no reason to believe that it will. They made it past the first hour of having the information which is most crucial to it being fully released.
- thestaticfrost
Robert - I agree that is a realistic concern, but I would reserve judgement until the story rolls.
- Matthew DeVries
Good point Jim. That TC story was actually Incredibly measured. Not like arrington at all. Hmmmmm....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Matthew: I'm not judging, just bringing up the potential conflicts of interest to discuss them. I don't see anyone judging here yet.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Arrington's assertion that publishing what kind of panties @ev's wife wears would not be within TC's news mission.
- Matthew DeVries
Correct. You're not judging. Just trying to stem the mob till they have a true target.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: In your experience, would Michael Arrington NORMALLY be this careful about drip feeding a story, so as NOT to offend the person / company featured in the story?
- Jim Connolly
And Robert: your points here SHOULD be in the front of everyone's mind when they do roll the story.
- Matthew DeVries
I may be naive here, but I also think any Twitter-directed communication regarding the release should be disclosed by Arrington when the story rolls, else he's not a reporter, he's a shill.
- Matthew DeVries
Jim: Twitter is the story of the year. So, yes, he's being more careful here than he otherwise would. And, if these documents were stolen, he's also a lawyer and is being careful to make sure he stays on the legal side of the line. I would be very careful with this story too. I have a different conflict of interest, though, which is that I'm an employee of Rackspace and would have to consider the impact of such a story on my company.
- Robert Scoble
Let's be clear if Techcrunch has the information, so does someone else. The information is going to get out. Techcrunch maybe releasing the story slowly to maintain the interest. My guess is they are getting a lot more hits with this story then they would normally
- Kim Landwehr
Matthew: I like to pretend I live in a dream world sometimes too, but I don't. I doubt we'll hear what was actually said back and forth in an off-the-record conversation. If i were Ev the first thing I would have said is "this is an off the record conversation, right?" And then if Arrington repeated it he would lose status too, because sources wouldn't trust him to talk openly.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: if other people have the story they will publish it all at once. So doing a slow rollout would actually be stupid. I bet no one else has the story, yet.
- Robert Scoble
Orli: if you are already following TechCrunch and Mashable they won't appear on the SUL, you've gotta check with an account that isn't following them.
- Robert Scoble
oh, silly me. I remember that list before BTW, it's just got HUGE. who's checking there anyway?
- Orli Yakuel
Orli: most new users of Twitter get shown the list and get the option to follow everyone on it.
- Robert Scoble
It looks like some of the same information is being released on a French Web site per bizjournal
- Kim Landwehr
Sorry if this is a repeat, I haven't managed to read every single comment... @techcrunch didn't even publish these docs first; why are they taking all the heat? This was the first place I saw it - http://bit.ly/10FySf
- Kenton
Kenton: Because Arrington himself said he would publish them. Arrington is a joke and far from a true journalist.
- John Fox
John: I disagree with you about Arrington. But so far nothing is that interesting in what the French site has published. So I'm wondering what the big deal is? Maybe Arrington knows that there's no real news value in what was gained, so he is making lemonade out of lemons? The real story here is that Google's security measures were overcome, so this is a cautionary tale about putting private info into the cloud.
- Robert Scoble
I totally agree about your cloud comment Robert. This should be a lesson to everyone who's jumping on the bandwagon without thinking about the risks.
- Kenton
Here's another post from Business Insider. Now that the docs have been published, everyone can link ethically, even though the info was stolen. Ahh, I love the journalism business sometimes. http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't see where the educational part of the content is that he's going to publish. What will be gained except corporate secrets and Twitter's dirty laundry? If this was a major corporation, he'd an injunction would be in effect right now. Yes, shame on Twitter for putting that kind of information in the cloud without adequate security, but then again, Arrington doesn't need to take advantage of the situation for notariety alone. That's a poor ethical standard.
- John Fox
John: Arrington gets the best of both worlds. He gets credit for thinking through the publishing of this info, while other people do the dirty work. See http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter... Why didn't Arrington just publish? Well, the SUL is one potential reason. Are there others? Did @ev give him an exclusive? Or some other reason not to publish? We'll never know.
- Robert Scoble
Arrington is definitely doing some back dealing which quite frankly makes him lose credibility.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
I think by the time Arrington wakes up (lazy bastard) he will have been Scooped by other websites
- Mark
Robert: I don't doubt that Arrington walked a fine line, thinking through the publishing of the info. I don't fault him for that. As a tech writer myself, I know there are certain things that will get you sued in a heartbeat. However, I don't see what Arrington has to gain from this other than notariety and to get TC's name out there even more. This is a tainted story from the start....
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- John Fox
Ok question, are we mad at Techcrunch ie Arrington, because he published only part of the information or that he publish the information at all or that he said he would publish it and didn't?
- Kim Landwehr
I'm not saying it's okay to publish ill-gotten confidential material but people would be less tempted to do so if Twitter were more transparent and less secretive. For a social network, they have a real 1.0 social media philosophy. Even Facebook reveals information about their userbase and growth. But Twitter is like a black box as the #fixreplies disaster revealed. And since that hashtag dropped off the Trending Topics, we've never heard any more about their proposed solution.
- Liz
The lack of democracy on the SUL is one of the most disturbing aspects of Twitter. It pushes Twitter towards an echo chamber since new people just follow the same old people. There needs to be some serious rotation.
- Trent Hamm
Didn't Kevin Rose design an enhanced SUL for Twitter? Where people who identify themself with a tag tell you who they follow with that tag?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: yes, Rose runs http://www.wefollow.com -- the problem is that most people on the home page and at the top of most lists are on Twitter's SUL.
- Robert Scoble
Just logged into twitter and a big red box tells me my account is suspensed for strange activity. Hmm
- Mark
I am reading that thousands of twitter accounts have been wrongly suspended due to "human error". Has anyone heard anything?
- Mark
he sees to have delisons of Grandure Murdoch gets away with hacking becasue of his power and the willingness of cronys to take the fall and the plod to turn a blind eye - he still needs to mak the public interest defence which he has not
- Maurice Walshe
Judging by Liz's link, looks like Twitter chose to play cards in public and Twitter just won. Talking about "The underware drawer" analogy flat out says the documents are gossip and not a story. This makes TechCrunch look like a gossip rag. Twitter also focused on their users and their security- the Ace of Spades. Bravo.
- E-Advocate Network
Calling TechCrunch a journalistic entity is an extreme stretch of the imagination, as the vast majority of their blogs are opinion totally devoid of fact. TechCrunch has found that "ethical line" Arrington mentioned, and tripped right over it, falling face first into the sewer. Indeed, TechCrunch's true colors have now revealed just how much of a gossip rag they are, totally lacking in...
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- jcunwired
I was wrongly suspended along with 9 others months ago. It was a terrible experience.
- DaveDelaney.ME
my question for mr. scoble is, if the same documents landed in your inbox would you have done the same thing?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Just curious about something. Earlier I tried following Techcrunch on Twitter and found I was blocked, supposedly "at the request of the user." Since I don't remember saying a bad word about Techcrunch or Michael (as Robert can attest from discussions in the past couple of months, I've usually defended Arrington on a few things), I'm wondering if the block was TechCrunch's doing or Twitter's.
- George Hall (Australia)
Disabling comments on FF is pretty much 100% the same as locking threads at Flickr. Thread locking sucks. Personally I won't frequent groups on Flickr anymore where they lock threads. Why invest time in conversations only to have them end up locked? The best conversations on the internet are the uncensored ones.
what they could allow is the reader to show or not show comments. expand or collapse.
- SolidSmack
I won't be using this to stop a thread when it gets 'out of hand'. I'll use it for announcements and sticky posts.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm not saying it's wrong for FF to add this functionality by the way. I'm just saying 100% that I will never ever ever use this feature not once and that if someone uses it consistently I'll probably stop commenting on their items.
- Thomas Hawk
I'd also like to see the ability to make an individual thread private.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just Sunday I got sucked into yet another conversation about Flickr deleting another user's account without warning or explanation only to have the thread locked by flickr staff. I think the offense there was that I called someone a sycophant and someone else accused me of wearing a tinfoil hat. Really stupid things to lock a thread over, but then again flickr staff was probably eager...
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- Thomas Hawk
What about inviting people to view private threads too? Sort of like Flickr's or Picasa's "Guest Pass" option for specific photos?
- Tyson Key
LOL. Yeah it's how it's used and also policed that is important. It's open to abuse! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Aah, good point Kol. But I'm thinking of adding people after the fact.
- Tyson Key
(I don't think you can do that at present, short of trying to reshare a DM and hoping that the recipient sees it as you want)
- Tyson Key
Tyson, yep but that's a generally suggestion, i.e. the ability to add/remove feeds for existing entries. Definitely needed. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
thomashawk That what I am afraid of also, that people will stop conversation just because people disagree with them, or say something they don't like. Conversation can be pretty boring if there is no argument.
- Kim Landwehr
from IM
exactly Kim. I fear that people will abuse this tool, like they've done at flickr. They (Flickr staff) literally locked a thread I was participating in on Sunday because someone accused me of wearing a tinfoil hat. Who the hell cares if someone accuses me of wearing a tinfoil hat? A totally stupid thing for Flickr to lock a thread over. I'm not worried about FF staff locking threads at least, but some members here with especially thin skin could abuse this.
- Thomas Hawk
In hindsight, I'm actually a little surprised to see thread/commenting muting get more backlash than "vanilla" deletion or even editing them (but I feel that lets people get away with "putting words in each other's mouths" as so to speak), given that it's non-destructive to the content/existence of the said comments. Still, there are plenty of ways around it, but I disagree in general with thread muting.
- Tyson Key
the other thing is, I suspect if heated conversations do get locked you'll simply see the most heated participants start new threads saying things like, "Since that Prick so and so just locked this thread over here (with link) I thought I'd restart the conversation here where it can happen uncensored." Not sure how effective this will be, but at least for the user who locked the thread it will keep additional comments off their blog if they've got that plug in installed.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, exactly. Thankfully re-sharing is not affected by disabled commenting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Will group admins on FF be allowed to lock threads not started by them in groups that they admin on FF? Or will only the originator of a thread be allowed to lock it?
- Thomas Hawk
I can see reasons for this. I'm an admin at a forum and sometimes I have to lock a thread because the "conversation" degenerates into a pointless argument between two people. Generally, it's a "time out." Sometimes I'll split the pointless argument into another thread (because nine times out of ten the argument is off-topic) and reopen. When two (or more people) bring their personal feud to ANY topic, it's distracting and kills conversation.
- Julie Barrett
Imagine if we had this when the Art Incident(TM) happened a while ago. I could have seen things degenerating into even more chaos... :(
- Tyson Key
yeah, it does look like group admins can lock threads in their groups not started by them. Oh well. I don't use groups very much anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Your reshare of the DeviantArt photo of the angsty lady in red, of course, Kol. ;)
- Tyson Key
I see, I wouldn't have disabled comments though. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I would have done what I did in the thread and tried to ease the anger. I think disabling commenting there is where the feature could be deemed as being abused. Like I say if you use it for announcements and stickies then fine. But preferably I'd like to disable comments from the start, post the comments then re-enable them.
- Kol Tregaskes
So I'll probably not use the feature at all.
- Kol Tregaskes
I can see uses for the feature, so I'm happy to see they've added it. Whether I use it or not doesn't really matter.
- Jason Huebel
Somebody needs to write a Greasemonkey for this, allowing you to rename the feature. I suggest "Enable Arrington hates hearing that he could be wrong option" with a big red button next to it as a default value.
- Andy Bold
"This thread has been Arringtonned", Andy? ;)
- Tyson Key
I think if FFers abuse the disable comments feature to shut down disagreement, then they'll start losing followers or getting blocked themselves. I doubt that I would use it myself unless a thread got really off-topic (and not in a good way) or somehow became abusive. Simple name-calling isn't itself a good reason to shut down a discussion.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
John, tell that to Flickr Staff. Apparently they think simple-name calling is in itself a good reason to shut down a discussion-- especially if the discussion is critical of their employer Yahoo/Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/help... They also think it's ok to edit the OP's critical words in addition to shutting his thread down.
- Thomas Hawk
Perhaps an interesting alternative is to permit the disable comment feature only on threads with zero comments. After the first comment the option is disabled. What do you think of this possibility?
- guillaume sempe
from iPhone
Guillaume, I like that option better myself, but I imagine it runs contrary to why this tool was implemented in the first place.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
I agree! There needs to be a better way to quell the 'mob'.
- Jeff P. Henderson
"There needs to be a better way to quell the 'mob'" how about respect?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
+1 Guillaume and Igor. Sadly, respect isn't something that can be enforced by the touch of a button, as nice as that would be to see, in a perfect world... :(
- Tyson Key
Tyson, that is why we need to to protect respect, because we are losing it. Blocks do not foster respect and never will. If I see you one a street, are you going to Block me? Are you going to call police and say, "I blocked this guy!" LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
arguments and fights do not start by themselves. U may disagree with someone but there is no need to call that person a Troll or a Jerk. Imagine if you call someone a Jerk or a Troll on a street! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I like trolls. I think they generally make the conversations more interesting personally.
- Thomas Hawk
Igor, I've already got four kids and can't be adopting any more trolls. But I certainly appreciate a good troll when they decide to show up.
- Thomas Hawk
thanx, I will try to come around from time to time, as long as there is food! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I like trolls, they stamp around a lot arguing and shouting and live under bridges, oh wait what do you mean not those trolls Dang sorry please continue
- Kim Landwehr
Locking threads or disabling comments stops it being a conversation. There's no point in putting your stuff out there unless you are going to talk about. Unless of course you ego is too small to take criticism, but if you were really that shy/easily bruised, why woul dyou put your stuff out there at all??
- Paul OFlaherty
that's it, I'm locking this thread. I'm tired of all you damn people.
- Thomas Hawk
You can now disable comments on your FriendFeed entries using the "Edit" menu. When you disable comments, all existing comments will remain, but no new comments will be allowed.
You can use the feature to stop conversations that are getting out of hand, or to post entries for which you don't want any discussion. Likes will continue to be allowed when comments are disabled.
- Bret Taylor
Chris: yeah, like when you're trying to use the first few comments for your own commentary. It looks like you can. Eeeeeeeeee!
- Mark Trapp
I think it helps those people who feel they are being made fun of in their posts.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Mark: yep, re-enabling involves just clicking a link
- Bret Taylor
+1 Gunny. It seems like an interesting and somewhat useful idea on it's own, but I can see many applications for it that aren't exactly in the interests of everyone, or even specific people, for what it's worth...
- Tyson Key
Sweet, thanks Bret. One bug I'm noticing is that if I disable comments on my own feed (that is, from http://friendfeed.com/itafroma), my picture shows up next to the entry and doesn't go away until I refresh.
- Mark Trapp
Bret, it looks like right now it doesn't show that comments are disabled until a user tries to comment, then it errors and says that comments are disabled. Not sure if that is widespread or if I just had a weird interaction.
- joey
Of course, the existing moderation options were already a double-edged sword. "Sticky" posts in rooms seems like a good extension to this, on the flip-side, though.
- Tyson Key
I can see the use for this, but that doesn't mean I like it.
- Shawn Kirsch
Actually, it may be displaying properly for me now. EDIT: I see, it just isn't updated in realtime ;)
- joey
While I welcome this addition to the many useful features on FF, I do feel that you should see all comments on a subject, as this enriches our experience.
- Kevin J Hatton
Scoble got thousands of people to join Friendfeed! How about a little love for the big guy!
- Mark
I see the main use for such a feature as being a way to post 'announcement' or 'stick post' entries but we'd really need the comment box back with the share box and the option to disable comments from there, i.e. before it's posted.
- Kol Tregaskes
You know you have influence when a company will modify their product to get you to use it again ;)
- Mark
Bret: the error message you get if you try to comment on a comment blocked post takes you to the generic FAQ page - perhaps it should go to something specific explaining the blocked comments feature.
- Mike Bracco
feature request: i want FF to flow in a <marquee> format instead of a stream! (kidding)
- sean percival
Is this an attempt to make FriendFeed more like a blogging platform? It sort of feels that way to me.
- Mitch
But you know on twitter or fb you can unblock. Someone that I didn't know came on a great discussion about kabbalah and said F**k kabbalah so I blocked him.
- Myrna
Jannnifer: I TOTALLY disagree with you. Blocking on FriendFeed is a very important thing to do to keep your view clear of jerks, spammers, and other people you just don't want interacting with your content. I don't let jerks into my living room and the block feature is how I keep my online living room clean, too.
- Robert Scoble
LOOOOL you better watch out if FF grows too fast, we're gonna be using the block button a LOT
- Myrna
Robert, did you see why I blocked this character. Jerimiah probably would have blocked him from using FF.
- Myrna
@Kol - Looks like FFBlockr is broken/down at the moment...
- Tyson Key
I guess I can see the need for this in some respects, but doubt I'd ever use it. The same way I feel about Blocking......someone would have to be really destructive to get me to do that. I just hope we don't end up with more and more "tools" that stop the natural flow and interaction on FF.
- Bonnie Foster
So Bonnie, would you block a FF stranger who came onto a discussion and said F**k the subject or your discussion?
- Myrna
Bret: I think this feature should let the entry owner to be able to comment without having to re-enable comments (and shutting them down again after that)
- alieb
Myrna....not unless he/she was such a pest that they did this kind of thing all the time.....kept making negative comments, or tried to continually start something. If it was someone who just happened to pop in and make their comment I would chalk it up to them being a jerk, having a bad day, I don't know, maybe just hating that subject. People just aren't going to always agree with everything you say. :)
- Bonnie Foster
Scoble and Krynsky are right, options to turn off comments after 30 days, and a dislike option are needed. Dislikes should be capped at 5 a day though.
- Shawn Kirsch
from BuddyFeed
Bonnie, you mean if I came on one of your threads and just dumped a FU, you would just brush it off? It's negative energy. I don't know about you but I try to keep things positive. Btw, you can disagree and stay positive.
- Myrna
Myrna..not disagreeing that it isn't negative energy, and yes, you can disagree with someone and stay positive. Would I do it, of course not....but everyone is different, and some people are jerks. One FU however, would not crush me, or for that matter, destroy my thread if everyone else was commenting with a positive attitude.
- Bonnie Foster
Just been reading about this over on Techcrunch. Sounds a reasonable idea, although it will be interesting to see how it works out in practice
- George Hall (Australia)
Ok I understand the need to stopping comment when the Mob starts forming, you know the tar and feather, pitchfork and everything, that makes some sense. What I don't understand is why you would post an entry if you didn't want any discussion. If you don't want it discussed then don't post it.
- Kim Landwehr
I am a group admin, I post the room guidelines in a thread and close the comments so that I can stick the thread url in the group description and new users will be able to read a short and to the point list instead of a 150+ comments thread. Sounds good, Kim?
- alieb
Ok, alieb that makes sense I was thinking more of a regular post, wasn't thinking of a room guideline situation.
- Kim Landwehr
You're welcom Myrna, i remembered a thread from a while ago with that link in it and just did a few searches until i found it - i can't find anywhere on the help/faq the friendfeed.com/settings/modifications (for your history of subscriptions and blocks as well) also i can't find the imaginary friends feature linked anywhere in the help/faq either (/settings/imaginary) -- private groups...
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- Chris Heath
Kim, also - if we had this feature back in march scoble wouldn't have had to butcher his post to stop people from trying to enter a contest that was long over http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - also this helps with spam as a popular post can be preserved without having to be attended to to fight of spammers who would try to latch to a popular search result
- Chris Heath
Bret, I like the timed idea some, but having the owner always able to comment seems right.
- Chris Heath
Robert, I don't see 'blocking' to be important but then I don't have jerks even trying to get into my living room so have no need. ;-) Been here well over a year and yet to block anyone. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Tyson, darn. Sorry I didn't check it before posting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Keep it comin' Bret. Someone ... PLEASE write a Friendfeed guide before I have to ?! (Although ... I'm still lost in the halls looking for what used to be rooms ?! :)
- Charlie Anzman
I believe they call those Groups now, unless they're renamed in a future iteration.
- Tyson Key
Can we get a feature added to the hide interface to 'Hide all entire with comments disabled'? If you don't want me on your thread, I may not want you in my stream. This is a place of discussion, not a bull horn :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
This is a great idea Johnny and it adds a balance to the whole situation. People who just want to use FF to promote themselves with no discussion could be easily hidden from view this way.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
well then you might as well block them, right?
- Chris Heath
@Johnny Worthington, I am totally right there with ya on that one. Why bother reading something on FF that I can't respond to? Isn't FF for conversation?
- (dot)lizard kelly
But Chris, they may still comment here and may comment on my stuff. Because they don't want interaction on their posts doesn't mean I should rule out the possibility of having interactions with them all together. It's about the scalple, not the sword :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I fail to see how this new feature is cause for Techcrunch to now reinstate their FF account? How does this prevent Arrington from once again pissing off a bunch of people and prevent a mob from forming on a separate post.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Arrington won't have to see it on his account everytime he logs in now
- Mark
Kevin & Mark: If a "mob" forms in a forest and Arrington can't see it, is it still a "mob?" If Arrington is worried that FF "mobs" can result in real world, physical threats and action, why does it matter that he can't see it?
- Christopher A Carr
Because he secretly loves getting attention. Not many people know this about him.
- Mitch
I like this ability, but agree with Johnny W on what he says on not wanting to read what he cannot respond to.
- Rick Cogley
I get your point Johnny, i was kind of joking, but also kinda serious.
- Chris Heath
Robert Scoble: Oh No! I was was being sarcastic and kidding with Myrna about blocking being an unforgivable sin!! I agree 100% with what you said above -----> "Blocking on FriendFeed is a very important thing to do to keep your view clear of jerks, spammers, and other people you just don't want interacting with your content. I don't let jerks into my living room and the block feature is...
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- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Thanks. I can't imagine ever using it, but thanks all the same.
- Steven Perez
Gosh, I hope Robert Scoble will be able to see my last comment since this thread is so long!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Interesting, but what about a 'Generate Comments' option for those us that are, shall we say, boring and get little to no activity and want to seem like they are interesting people too. ;->
- Grant Bierman
I fear that this addition will pave the way for more one way transmission. Friendfeed is about sharing and interaction. I might actually have to start using the block funtionality if I start seeing rant or mlm posts.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
If you want to hide comment disabled posts preemptively and user scripts are an option for you, take a look at this script update I released tonight: (only affects you, and only in effect while running the script) http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
thanks - to "enable" comments, there is a direct link - to disable... it is necessary to click Edit and select the option... Why? a different design?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Kishore, having 'enable' as a direct link serves as a visual reminder that you've disabled comments on that item. Plus you wouldn't want 'disable' to be a direct link, as you might click it by accident.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Does this feature fossilize a thread? Or can people come in and delete/edit their already living posts in the thread?
- Matthew DeVries
@Matthew - You can disable it, if you're the owner of the post, and at present, it's possible for users to edit their comments after comment freezing, as it's implemented now.
- Tyson Key
A surprisingly controversial move. Good addition, but I can't find myself ever using it.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
this feature seems in accordance with existing moderation options available to post owners
- Mike Chelen
"This is the moment a a US Navy pilot gave a shocked resident a very close look at his F18. The fighter/bomber streaked past an apartment block on the banks of the Detroit River at the weekend. It was part of a tactical demonstration fly-past to open a speedboat race in the North American city. Officials waived rules to allow the Navy flyers to swoop under 100ft along the waterway."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
Wingspan on a F-18 is 40' or 45' depending on model. Those floors look to be about 10' and the wingspan consumes just over three of them, call it 32'. So depending on the focal length of the camera lens, the plane may not have been nearly so close to the building as it appears.
- Rob Sterling
+1 Rob. Still, it's a heckuva wakeup call.
- Bill Sodeman
+1 Rob, but that is still an awesome f'in picture.
- Chieze Okoye
after Sept11 we had f14/16/18's (not sure which) hovering over our homes for a few days while they used LaGuardia Airport in Queens as the patrol center for Manhattan. and by hovering...i mean hovering....it was so surreal to have them there. it looked as though they were floating slowly (and not flying past) above our homes. sadly i have no photos of the event.
- Carlos Ayala
GodDammit Maverick! *wipes coffee from uniform shirt*
- Morgan Haley