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Halil
The Rev Terry Jones is providing the very fuel that will be used to recruit gullible young corruptible minds yet again! Has he no idea the global damage he will cause as a result of his actions? All the "good" work that has been done in the last 9 years to build bridges of tolerance and understanding and peace, may well be all for nothing.
Just look at the blatant opportunist Anjem Choudary who has reared his inflammatory rants yet again in the news in response to Rev Terry Jones' Koran burning plans. This is the kind of fires that are fed by Terry Jones' actions. He obviously has no regard for tolerance, global peace and security. Just like Terry Jones is in a minority, do not forget people like Anjem Choundary are also in a minority! - Halil
We must still remember to not accept anything that happens as simply 'consequences' of some fucktard burning some books in his backyard in Florida(?). Stuff like this will not go away as long as we have several religions which all are the only true religion. This is excellent material both for the truly deluded and for the opportunists. - Eivind
In what sense do you mean, truly deluded? - Halil
Those who actually believe they act according to their god's will when they pull off stunts like this. - Eivind
Ok, as I wasn't quite sure who the remark was directed at. - Halil
Do you have a link for that poll? How many people were asked and what states was the poll carried out in? - Halil
This reminds me of those fanatics who do things that they believe will hasten the apocalypse or whatever or who purposefully try to provoke an attack. Hamas does this constantly in Gaza: people dressed as civilians launch rockets from a children's playground or a civilian-occupied apartment building and then when Israel strikes back at the launch site, the Gazans cry foul, everyone gets mad at Israel, etc. Maybe this maniac WANTS to provoke some kind of attack. Who knows. - Akiva
Are you sure these guys aren't all on the same team? Sure seems like it. I can't believe this tosser is getting this much air-time. Rather than the media playing scenes from massive Eid celebrations, I have to sit and listen to some pissant bigot, instead of the joy of billions, the hate of a few. The media knows hate sells, and scum lap it up. I thought they ended the book burning in the Inquisition? - Mo Kargas
Good points Mo, i totally agree with you about the coverage. Akiva, wouldn't surprise me if he's intentionally wanting a violent reaction. :( ...Only 2048 people polled and of that 36% agree with the burning is only 737 odd people, also depends on how man rednecks they asked. :-/ - Halil
If your "religion" is so unstable that burning a book results in the killing of people and soldiers, then the point has already been proven. Of course, it's not like they get violent over a cartoon.....oh wait..... - Spencer
Spencer, why didn't you read what i said in my first comment, urgh...and ill ask you not to refer to my religion as unstable please. Just because it's hijacked by a few nutters, is no cause to judge us all! Just like i do not judge everyone based on this guys actions. - Halil
Terry Jones is deluded and dangerous, but for inciting violent response, he's playing in the minor leagues. Dropping bombs on civilians is what terrorist recruitment really feeds on. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo
Stay classy, Spencer. It's not "a book", it's THE book for Muslims, one of the number one things they cherish and love, and is a part of them. Maybe someone should take something you love dearly, burn it in front of you, then mock you when you get angry. Let's see how "stable" you remain then. Unstable is a national philosophy based on vengeance that allows the butchery of millions of innocents who had nothing to do with 9/11. Unstable is giving millions more unborn kids birth defects from so called "depeleted uranium". Unstable is going to war on unverified facts. - Mo Kargas
Ah, right, of course: why should anyone take responsibility for their actions when we can blame America instead? Let's forget about Muslim violence against Buddhists in Myanmar, Sri Lanka, and Thailand. Is America to blame for Islamic instability there? What about Muslim violence against Christians in Indonesia? Is that also America's fault? What about all of the violence between Muslims against other Muslims in Iraq, in Pakistan, in India? Are you really suggesting that the negative actions of one group be excused because of the actions of another? - Akiva
The media or their masters are trying to stir up a pity party for Muslims. - topernic
All I'm saying Akiva, is do unto others as you would have done unto you. If you want to collectively punish and tar and feather people because you have some deep-seated resentment against them, that's your prerogative. The context of my argument is not excusing Muslim violence, it's that no one's hands are as clean as they make them out to be. Should I make wide-ranging lies about you, hate you, and burn the Torah simply because you're Jewish over Israel's ghettoizing and murder of Palestinians? The responsibility of the crime lies with the criminal, not with whoever you can get your mitts into, re: America in Iraq. Not too hard to understand. You can act all offended, but at the end of the day, the US is in Iraq over lies, and they are at fault. - Mo Kargas
First off, remember that Egypt also has a wall between their country and Gaza; people love to forget that. Secondly, typing that Gaza, which actually is doing quite well—they've recently built a multi-story mall, is ghettoized is ridiculous. Kids are going to school; people are running successful businesses. Compare that to the Warsaw or Krakow ghettos. Jews weren't allowed to own businesses. There were no schools for kids to go to. Food was scarce. Sanitation was scarce. And Jews were rounded up daily and murdered in the street. I'm not offended. Just amused and perplexed at how invasive and successful the 'Palestinian' propaganda has been. - Akiva
Oh, and there's a huge difference between burning the Torah and the Quran. Jews might get offended but I doubt you'd see them marching in the street, burning effigies, firing automatic weaponry into the air, and making threats of violence. - Akiva
And let's not forget that the Arabs could have had Palestine in 1948. They refused the UN's plan, went to war with Israel and lost. And they attacked Israel again in 1967 and lost even more land. How many mulligans are we going to give them? - Akiva
Yep, I'm sure life is just dandy when you might be blown to pieces by jets because there may be a criminal within ten city blocks of you. It's an idyllic existence when the national authority can cut your water and power to collectively punish you. White phosphorus for lunch anybody? - Mo Kargas
Ok, so public displays of anger are a reason to burn somebody's religious text? AFAIK in Israel, Jews don't make threats, they merely retaliate with overwhelming force. - Mo Kargas
Are you forgetting that the Gazans were warned? I don't think the Jews had such a luxury in an actual ghetto. (For the record, however, Israel's use of white phosphorous was wrong and deplorable.) - Akiva
And maybe the Gazans should do something about those criminals themselves. Maybe the Gazans shouldn't have elected a recognized terrorist organization that's more interested in smuggling in Katyusha rockets rather than first aid supplies. - Akiva
And I never wrote that I support the burning of the Koran. Nothing excuses such foolish and asinine behavior. - Akiva
Not hard to comprehend, bereaved people under the gun are always swayed by radical voices promising results, doesn't matter what country or society or faith you are from. It's not a simple matter to make a moderate political choice when you're under bombardment. Anyway were getting too far into detail, everybody's religion and society has it's shipload of arseholes. The problem is letting them direct the bulk of humanity's morals and decency by their acts, which, quite frankly, they are succeeding in doing. - Mo Kargas
Mo, I think one of the most tragic things about all of this is that the US President felt he needed to get involved; that if the Koran does get burned, they're going to raise the terror alert; that other Muslims feel that they have to stand up not to defend the Koran but to express fears of a rise in terrorist recruitment. It's incredibly frustrating that these are actions people feel that they're compelled to take. I know the media carries much of the blame for spreading as much fear propaganda as they do victimization propaganda when it comes to Islam. But actions are actions and the media (and America) aren't the only ones who should be shouldering the blame. - Akiva
I definitely agree that blame is shared. But I loathe anyone making money out of hyping hate and costing lives. - Mo Kargas