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All the tech blogs are hypocrites when they are up in arms about Amazon. Facebook and Flickr have been deleting stuff for years like that.
Daniel Rowley, Nicholas James, Joe Dawson and 29 other people liked this
Among others. Twitter has deleted people too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
But paid books are a bit different than free stuff on Facebook/Flickr, no?
- Abhimanyu Chirimar
Those are different scenarios, though none are good for users. One is a content license, the others are service agreements. Though the click-wrap in all cases reads like you have few rights.
- LogEx
Not in my book
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Not sure the sentiment makes sense... Did the tech blogs also criticize FB/Flickr for the same type of practices?
- Jolie O'Dell
My stuff is my stuff.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jolie: when have you seen a tech blog take a stand on the issue and get to the top of techmeme?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'll never buy a Kindle. I'm a student. Could you imagine Amazon doing this to a $200+ textbook?
- nick
But the point is... in Amazon's case, it is NOT yours. In the other cases, it is yours, but the hosting is at their whim.
- LogEx
Nick: my photos cost a lot more than $200 to make but Flickr deletes accounts all the time.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert: I upload stuff to Flickr too, but I usually have my own copy on my computer that Flickr can't touch.
- nick
But Flickr in that case only removes your ability to access their copy of your photos - you still have full control of the original and other copies. Amazon removes all access you had to content you licensed.
- LogEx
Oh Robert, I don't even read that drivel anymore. ;) But perhaps it's getting undue attention for other reasons... No one pays - or pays MUCH - for FB/Flickr accounts/content.
- Jolie O'Dell
UH...Amazon is deleting products consumers have purchased. Facebook and Flickr have been deleting unpurchased, free items. If you think that makes people hypocritical then I suggest you consult a dictionary. And if you think deleting paid vs. free is identical then I suggest you pull your head out of your proverbial ass. ;-)
- Scott Jarkoff
I think the difference is paying for a specific piece of content and losing it without warning. It's very weird, though, how Amazon's been making such bad PR moves this year. Are they sharing an agency with Microsoft up there?
- Omar Gallaga
Scott starts with an "UH" and ends with "ass." I think he wins Jerkoff Commenter of the Internet for July 17th.
- Omar Gallaga
Robert: Wouldn't it have been more reasonable for Amazon to just simply stop selling the titles in question to new customers?
- nick
There's a huge difference between a free service and a purchased good. Besides, why on earth would you upload your only copy of something to facebook or flickr? IF flickr deletes your photos, you still have them. In the Amazon case, you don't have the book anymore.
- Ryan Jones
analogy: I buy a book and take it home; Books Inc finds out they didn't have the right to sell it to me, so they break down my front door, enter my house, and retrieve the book.
- Stuart Liroff
Scott: my photos cost a lot more than any book on Amazon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Neither Flickr nor facebook deletes your files from your hardware. You still have the originals. Even if they delete your account, you still have the originals. And any image you have downloaded in the past, if they receive a DMCA notice and delete it off their site, they don't access the hardware of everyone that downloaded it, deleting files. THAT is the difference.
- April Russo (app103)
Cost isn't the issue. It's amazon providing you a book, vs you providing flickr with photos.
- Ryan Jones
1) This isn't a "tech" question - it's a business question; 2) there is a difference between accepting payment for content then deleting it, and deleting copies of content you upload to a site; 3) to address one question without addressing different questions isn't hypocrisy, except perhaps based upon your expectations of how others should perceive this issue.
- Kevin Boulas
Stuart: I am NOT saying Amazon is right. I think deleting anything of mine is bad and should be illegal.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
but legally, is the facebook account or flickr account really yours? Most likely not.
- Ryan Jones
@Robert: if your only copy of your photos resides on Flickr or Amazon then that is complete and utter failure on your part. You should be saving your _personal_ photos on a removable HDD, cloud storage or somewhere where you have complete control of your _personal_ data. Facebook and Flickr are *obviously* not those types of services.
- Scott Jarkoff
Ryan: legally your book isn't yours either.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
None of these scenarios have been fully tested in the courts. But these are the liabilities of the cloud and the rent/license models, as opposed to owning and hosting yourself and treating your local copies as masters.
- LogEx
Scott: you are so wrong it isn't funny.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And as April mentioned, neither delete the data from _your_ hardware but off of _their_ servers. That is a *huge* difference - remote deletion is evil, pure and simple.
- Scott Jarkoff
@Robert: Hate to break your "I'm always right ego" but *YOU* are wrong. If you think I'm so wrong then kindly explain _why_ you believe I'm wrong.
- Scott Jarkoff
Scott: all of these deletions are evil.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, you are right that they are all evil, but there are significant differences in kind if not degree.
- LogEx
Robert i seem to recall at least one blogger being up in arms about the deletion of his Facebook account ;-) so i'm not sure where the hypocrisy comes in. i think most people would agree that just randomly deleting *your stuff* is evil -- it's just MORE evil when you've *paid* for the stuff that got deleted.
- Karim
Does Amazon reserve the right to do this in their EULA? Do Flickr/Facebook?
- Kamath (नमः)
Tell me what other company deletes not only files you paid for and bought from them, but your own personal data too, from your hardware? Along with the books disappearing, there was at least one student that was reading one of the books in question as a summer reading assignment, that lost all his notes and annotations when the book disappeared.
- April Russo (app103)
i've purchased songs on iTunes that, for one distribution reason or another, later became unavailable for purchase in the U.S. iTunes Store. Apple was nice enough to not go on my hard drive and delete the songs when that happened.
- Karim
April: books are NOT yours. They belong to the copyright holder. You are granted a license to view them. Obviously now that right can be revoked at any time.
- Robert Scoble
Those notes and annotations were his, and he has every right in the world to expect those not to be deleted by some company.
- April Russo (app103)
Scott: my photos on Flickr don't just include my photos. They include the comments me and others have made. And any links that blogs have made to them. If you delete them you delete my work and that is work that CAN NOT BE BACKED UP.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: You are absolutely wrong yet again. *BOOKS* are yours, period. No license involved. *eBooks* (the type sold for the Kindle), on the other hand, are licensed with some draconian anti-piracy TOS and DRM. So in that case, true, you do not own them. This is the krux of the reason I refuse to buy a Kindle.
- Scott Jarkoff
April: deleting this stuff is wrong. Period. Whether on Amazon. Whether on Twitter. Whether on Flickr. Whether on Facebook. Not saying that Amazon is right. Just that these are all the same issue. The only reason we're up in arms about Amazon is we're used to having books on paper where our viewing rights can't be revoked.
- Robert Scoble
Paint it all the same brush if you want, but everyone here seems to see a distinction but you, Robert. Putting stuff in the cloud onto a service you don't own always carries a risk. Buying a product from a reputable company and then having it taken away without warning is a whole other deal. Why do you want to lump apples and orange? Are you anti-fruit-diversity?
- Omar Gallaga
Scott: wrong. Books are yours only because they are printed on paper. You are NOT allowed to photocopy them. Why not? They aren't yours. You are legally granted a right to view them, but the words in them are NOT yours.
- Robert Scoble
Omar: well, now, buying books on a DRM'd device carries a risk too.
- Robert Scoble
Ha ha... reminds me of an old post of mine: http://logicalextremes.blogspot.com/2007... (New High-Tech Book License)
- LogEx
Robert: You did not pay to leave comments on Facebook or Flickr. You did pay for that book on your Kindle which was just revoked by the license holder.
- Scott Jarkoff
And I seem to recall tech blogs being up in arms about Facebook and Flickr's various missteps in matters of privacy and account deletion. Don't you read your own press?
- Omar Gallaga
Scott: I paid with my time which is far more valuable than any $20 fee.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Heh, absolutely. That's why I don't have a Kindle. Doesn't Apple reserve the right to do this with apps? I thought I remembered them doing something like that before with an app that was pulled from the store, but I may be remembering it wrong.
- Omar Gallaga
Omar: yes, a few tech blogs try to raise this issue once in a while.
- Robert Scoble
I would like to see anyone revoke my right to possession of the hard cover edition of Animal Farm and 1984 that I paid for. I'd like to see them enter my home uninvited, unannounced, and without permission, and not only take my books, but take the hand crocheted bookmark I made that's marking my place. Are you telling me that the seller has the right to do that if a publisher cancels a deal with them or it is found that the publisher didn't actually have a right to sell the titles?
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: While they can not be photocopied, they can be borrowed by friends to read. eBooks have no such capabilities. I think even you know the distinction and realize there *IS* a difference.
- Scott Jarkoff
April: the only reason that book publishers haven't been able to do that in the past is because they can't get access to your house legally. Now...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The non-hypocrite blogs? You should just go ahead and name names. Does it rhyme with "Garrington?"
- Omar Gallaga
Scott -- you can lend your Kindle to your friends.
- Omar Gallaga
The first-sale doctrine also allows me to transfer ownership of books and other content I own... not true of most licensed/rented works.
- LogEx
Scott: yes, this is why I haven't been pro DRM in the past, even when working at Microsoft. But now we know the dangers of a DRM'ed world. Welcome to the world where you can be erased. Where your books can be erased. Where your photos can be erased. Where your Tweets can be erased.
- Robert Scoble
there's DEGREES of wrongness, Robert. crimes and misdemeanors. losing a free tweet about the ham sandwich somebody ate is not on par with losing a masterpiece of English literature that you paid for.
- Karim
Karim: wrong. Last week the tweets I made cost Rackspace thousands of dollars to get. Thanks for making them sound cheap.
- Robert Scoble
Omar: True, but the difference being when you lend your Kindle you're essentially lending your entire bookshelf to someone, leaving you the inability to read a purchased eBook.
- Scott Jarkoff
Karim: I'm glad you think your Tweets have no value. Mine DEFINITELY DO.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, did you just put your Rackspace tweets on par with the literature of George Orwell?
- Karim
Karim - you don't believe Robert's tweets are masterpieces of English literature? The hell is wrong with you?
- Omar Gallaga
You still own the content you lend to service providers in most cases. that's why data portability is so important. Insist on your service providers giving you the ability to extract your content with the enhancements that have been made on the site ideally.
- LogEx
Karim: no, I didn't put them on par with George Orwell's work, but some of my Tweets have cost a lot of money to make. Glad to know you think that going to England is free and that my time is free. It is not. And to make my Tweets equivilent to ones about eating food makes you a jerk in my mind.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: back your data up. Flickr photos should be backed up *before* they're posted to Flickr, but certainly can be after using the right tools. Same with comments on Flickr. Facebook, with their utter dislike for RSS, makes that far more difficult. Point being - backup your data and do *not* *solely* rely on a service provider to protect your data. And backing up comments is entirely possible on Flickr using RSS feeds and other such tools.
- Scott Jarkoff
$1000's? It doesn't cost anything to load your twitter RSS feed into a desktop feed reader, leaving it running in your tray to archive all your tweets. It also doesn't cost you anything to import them here, either. If your words are that important to you, make backups. Then the most you will lose is a URL, which doesn't belong to you any way.
- April Russo (app103)
Scott: you go back up all your Flickr photos and move them to some other service with all the comments intact and usable. Go ahead. Try.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: If you would slow the number of times you tweet then maybe it wouldn't cost Rackspace thousands of dollars. ;-)
- Scott Jarkoff
April: glad you think the value in Twitter is just the Tweets. It is not. It's also the distribution and my friend network.
- Robert Scoble
Scott: no, if I Tweeted less the cost per Tweet would go up! :-)
- Robert Scoble
But surely you entered into using these services knowing that you are at their mercy.
- LogEx
Scott -- I hate to agree with Robert (shudder) but that's not realistic. Especially not with average users. You're putting the onus on regular users to jump hoops instead of the companies to make these tools readily available. Way to stick it to the little guy. On the other hand, I think buying a book to own and having people post comments on some photos you posted on Flickr carry with them two entirely different expectations of permanence.
- Omar Gallaga
Logical: and when I bought my Kindle I knew the same.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I already do backup my Flickr data - my uploads, my comments, my favorites and the comments on my posts.
- Scott Jarkoff
Omar: expectations are different, yes, but they shouldn't be and that's what's wrong in my view.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, i can't help what's in your mind :-) but i didn't say YOUR tweets were on par with ham sandwiches. i was trying to illustrate the fact that different things have different value. losing a dollar is not as bad as losing a million dollars. losing a million dollars is not as bad as losing your life. you can't just equate it all and saying losing anything is evil.
- Karim
+1 Karim
- Todd Hoff
Scott: congratulations. Flickr is also a social network. And it's also a distribution platform. I embed my Flickr photos on my blog and so do other people (my photos are all over Wikipedia for instance). Back THAT up. You can't.
- Robert Scoble
Omar: Completely agreed about the backing up. I'm just trying to get the point across to Robert that its _possible_ to do. Maybe that's a service someone needs to work on - backup all your social networking data to the cloud and then download it at will.
- Scott Jarkoff
Robert -- Ah.... but like usual, that's not what you said. That's what you expected us to psychically extract from your initial post (or after several hundred FriendFeed comments, whichever comes first). Glad we got here sooner rather than later.
- Omar Gallaga
Karim: losing my work matters more to me than losing an unauthorized copy of some other author's work.
- Robert Scoble
You are free at any time to go start your own. If permanency of hosting and full control is that important to you, do not rely on a 3rd party service that could just as easily be gone with your data tomorrow (remember magnolia? enetation? AOL Pictures? the other billion services that went >poof<?)
- April Russo (app103)
April: do the same with a book company then too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: See, this is why you need to clarify your position before making such generalized statements like what you used to start this thread.
- Scott Jarkoff
Scott: that's why FriendFeed has comments. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Angrykeyboarder: Been there, done that, thanks. ;-)
- Scott Jarkoff
Scott: http://backupmypics.com/
- Omar Gallaga
Robert: If, as usual, your intent was to ignite conversation, congratulations - you've more than succeeded. But that still doesn't mean you're wrong.
- Scott Jarkoff
I don't buy DRM protected digital content. I don't trust it.
- April Russo (app103)
Omar: Nice! Now all they need to do is add in the other things Robert wants tracked and he'll have the holy grail of social networking backup solutions.
- Scott Jarkoff
Scott: everything I do is to get a conversation going. It's my prime directive.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Wakarimashita. However, you're still wrong in this case.
- Scott Jarkoff
Scott: and so are you.
- Robert Scoble
House wins. Everybody loses.
- Omar Gallaga
On that note, time to head out with the family to see Harry Potter. Hope everyone else enjoys the rest of the conversation. Cheers!
- Scott Jarkoff
Omar: +1.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, ok, so for YOU, losing your tweets is worse than losing the works of George Orwell. do you expect everyone else to feel the same way?
- Karim
Karim: yes, most people will feel that way. Their work is more valuable than a book they probably have a copy of anyway on their shelves.
- Robert Scoble
i'm wondering why you feel that way when people pay nothing for tweets, but shell out money (the sweat of their brow) for a book. if they were that valuable, Twitter's business model should involve printing them and selling them like books. :-)
- Karim
Karim: everyone who got that book pulled got their money back. So there goes that argument.
- Robert Scoble
But the student that got the book pulled didn't get his work back.
- April Russo (app103)
which argument is that, exactly? if you're talking about *value*, one has a price tag, the other does not.
- Karim
Tweets have value for the people creating them, not necessarily for anyone else, though. That might be the difference. But that doesn't mean that all Tweets have no value. Just because some are about eating a sandwich doesn't mean all are. And, by the way, I've been handed at least two Twitter books with all that person's Tweets in them.
- Robert Scoble
Karim: my tweets have a price tag. Just because you aren't paying for them doesn't mean someone isn't. Thank you Rackspace.
- Robert Scoble
April: exactly. It's the work we do AROUND other people's work that has more value to us. I'm more bummed about that student losing his work than I am about the other issues being discussed.
- Robert Scoble
you keep shifting the argument between you, Mr. Edge Case Who Gets Paid to Tweet, and people generally. if we took all your tweets and put them in a book, i seriously doubt it would sell as well as "1984" or "Animal Farm." your tweets may be more valuable TO YOU, but i doubt many others would feel that your tweets are worth more than Orwell's novels.
- Karim
We could find out. Put all your tweets in a PDF and sell it for $6.99 on lulu.com and see if you can sell as many copies as those 2 books combined.
- April Russo (app103)
Karim: that's not the issue under way. My Tweets have value. Period. To say they don't is being a jerk. By the way, I have published books and ones that have sold decently well (but not close to Orwell's) and I'd rather have my book stolen than my Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
AGAIN, Robert, not saying your tweets are worthless, just that you shouldn't equate the loss of something with a huge value with something that has a small value to everyone else (even if it has a big value to you personally). think of the crayon drawings of your children. you'd be heartbroken if you lost one. the rest of the world, not so much. a Van Gogh, on the other hand...
- Karim
Well, some small good came out of all of this. My daughter is in her room reading my copy of Animal Farm right this minute. While I did read it to her when she was about 7-8, this will be the first time she is reading it herself.
- April Russo (app103)
April: that is a good thing.
- Robert Scoble
the sad fact is that if someone breaks into your house and steals your child's finger painting, the police are going to treat it slightly differently than if someone breaks into your house and steals a 10 million dollar Van Gogh -- EVEN IF you swear up and down the fingerpainting meant more to you personally.
- Karim
Karim: yeah, but here's the rub, the major reason that Van Gogh's cost so much is because of scarcity. Thanks to the Internet information and content has no scarcity so those days are over for the most part. And, anyway, copyright law is pretty clear that Amazon is legally able to do what it did, so is Facebook and Twitter and Flickr and all the others who delete stuff. Maybe THAT is our problem! We've let lawyers write bad laws and now we're learning the depths of just how bad they are.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: What are the edge cases in your own personally generated content? How do you view that content in terms of control and assignable rights to it if you have placed it into the hands of a services provider?
- Jay Cuthrell
As a witness / victim of the dot.com bubble, I kind of go into things as if the company could flop tomorrow. The only exception so far has been Google.
- adam garrett
Google too will go, but they won't just flop, they'll teraflop.
- Micah Wittman
I just don't see how you can conflate the digital equivalent of Amazon picking the locks on the doors to let themselves into people's homes and replacing a couple of books on their bookshelves with the money those books originally cost, with a free service deciding for even an arbitrary reason to remove whatever copy of some content you uploaded to their servers, and then using that contrived logic to bash a large group of people by calling them hypocrites.
- Shannon
If I am not mistaken, the flicker policy has also been complained about, but the Amazon situation is new so people are more likely to complain about it now. People tend to fight one battle at a time.
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
Not sure if its been mentioned but Amazon sent an email out saying that they pulled the books because someone other than the publisher actually made the books available and that even if this sort of thing happens again, they won't react the same way
- Patrick Aland
Maybe not in your book, but Amazon just took your book away!
- Californian
News Update. Still bad idea, but not as bad as before. http://technologizer.com/2009...
- Ian Paul
If Celebs Moved to Oklahoma - http://www.wintrest.com/if-cele...
Rob Haas, Ruud van Wijngaarden, Siddharth Mitra and 86 other people liked this
love it
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Effing brilliant.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
JOHNNY!!!?? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU??? ):
- Mladen Srdić
These are so wrong, but HILAROUS.
- Mona Nomura
love.
- Zach Landes
lol
- Jemm
Tom Cruise and Jennifer Aniston = gold!
- David Young
OMG!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I think I just woke up people in my house! darn you Mona!
- Anna Haro
I can't stop laughing Mona... and I'm in office, getting awkward stares from all directions. :D
- Parth Awasthi
Anna: HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Parth: HAHHAHAH with you, too!
- Mona Nomura
Hi Parth *wave* Mona, seriously, this is ridiculously funny!!!
- Anna Haro
i KNOW!!!!
- Mona Nomura
Dude, this has got enough funny steam for a few days on ff.
- Anna Haro
Johnny Depp :(
- Mona Nomura
i feel your pain ):
- Mladen Srdić
Yeah, that one was a bit blasphemous.
- Anna Haro
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! I just looked again...Gwen Stefani and JLo
- Anna Haro
Hey Anna!! *hug* Seriously... It paled everything else in comparison... I couldn't 'like' anything else on my 'best of the day' tab. :)
- Parth Awasthi
JLo, omg HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
- Mona Nomura
omg Mona, I'm biting a pillow in my room because I can't stop laughing!!!!!!!!
- Anna Haro
Hilarious! :D
- BeeLing
Oklahoman John Travolta = Tony Soprano?
- Joe Pierce
LMAO I remember seeing this somewhere before.
- ChaCha Fance
haha good stuff!
- (jeff)isageek
heh
- mjc
are you from oklahoma, mjc?
- Mona Nomura
Michael...are you serious? "heh" JFC! This is the funniest thing I've seen on ff.
- Anna Haro
lol @Mona
- Anna Haro
No I'm from floriduh :)
- mjc
@ChaCha: where? In OK? ：p
- LouCypher
Omg LOL. You guys, tell me to stop if all my bumpage is polluting your feeds?
- Mona Nomura
Mona, it's OK. It brings back memory : )
- LouCypher
I seriously can not believe how visual my feed used to be... I look now, and it's all Tweets/text lol
- Mona Nomura
My dad says that when he moved from Oklahoma to Mississippi he raised the average IQ in both states.
- Internet's Tad
I don't think the Sharon stone pic is shopped
- Duncan Riley
You had to reawaken this from the dead, didn't you? The nightmares are still fresh in my mind.
- Zach Landes
links doesn't work ?! That's so funny want to see the web page !!!
- David Foucher
try here: http://www.getstupid.info/picture...
- hellonm
Oh my !!!
- Martha
Microsoft orders third season of 'Guild' - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr...
Q'Darius Melton, Peter, rsturk and 47 other people liked this
Wooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! Huge congrats to you and the rest of the Guild gang!
- Paul Wilcox
YAY!!!!! Think they could order up your Doll House episode too?
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Fantastic. Congratulations!
- Jeff Harbert
WOOHOO! This is HUGE! How fun!
- Glen Mistletoe
Congratulations!
- Tudor Bosman
Congratulations! : )
- Jess Lee
Congrats! You go girl!
- imabonehead
Kick ass GF FD! Happy for you to show the industry how it's done! Fun stuff too.
- John McElhenney 2.0
Thanks all, I really appreciate the support, it's one of the only reasons I continue doing this stuff :)
- Felicia
Congratulations! ^_^
- Andrea Nicosia
nice
- Richard Lawler
congrats!!
- mashable
Thanks all! I'm so excited about it. People have a perception about MS but they have been nothing but accessable, supportive and responsive to any of our needs. Much more so than other web series creators working with standard entertainment companies. We're excited to be doing the show again (and paying people again, woot! :) )
- Felicia
So excited! You ever need volunteer gaffers/gofers/whatevers, give a holler!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
You get the copyrights for the show. You can to pay people. We can watch it for free. Not region locked. And subtitles! I <3 MS! =P
- Dani Figueiredo
Awesome!
- Aaron Meck
A big vote of confidence! I hope you were able to keep your ownership and distribution deal and able to get more $$. You deserve all the good karma from this.
- David Monroe
I'm SO HAPPY! :) Can't wait for Season 3.. and my Season 2 DVD. :)
- Daynah
Book Shelf Made From Books | Inhabitat - http://www.inhabitat.com/2009...
Eda Demir, Craig Johnson, © D/\\/IIID ℠ ® and 30 other people liked this
"While we’re not sure if this book shelf made from books constitutes literary cannibalism, you can rest assured that Yann Martel and Nick Hornby would appreciate seeing their works put to such creative and pleasing reuse. The folks at not tom. came up with this Spring Greening Contest finalist when they saw a box of books being thrown out and “couldn’t bear the thought”. The Book Book Shelf is a definite talking piece and a great way to show off all the titles you (might) have finished. If you’re a fan of not tom.’s whimsical and eye-catching use of recycling in design then be sure and vote for them in the Spring Greening Competition!"
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
genius!
- MicahBear78
Cool, just got to remember to not take a book from the actual shelf or the whole thing will go. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Does anyone really have space in their homes for a book shelf like that? Would be much more practical and just as effective if the book shelf books were horizontal.
- James Myatt
Perhaps if books had litle magnets in them and the walls were coated with metal, we could stick them to the wall. Because the "shelf" looks best without the books on it.
- Eyoki
Now make your own: http://dornob.com/diy-mak...
- Kol Tregaskes
DIZZYmmetry: http://dornob.com/seeming...
- Banu Pluie
Cool!
- Rutger Blom
Memo to Robert Scoble: if people, especially Americans, do not know what journalism is, it's because they haven't had any compelling examples of real journalism.
Greg Guitarbuster, Sloan Bowman, Rob Sellen :o) and 24 other people liked this
Seriously, find me five people currently on any of the news channels who could seriously be labeled "journalists".
- Steven Perez
Ed Bradley, Christiana Amanpour, Morley Safer...there's 3.
- Alex Scoble
OK, two more.
- Steven Perez
from IM
And I hesitate adding anyone from CBS, especially after (a) the Jeffrey Weigand debacle, (b) the Dan Rather memo thing and (c) Katie Couric.
- Steven Perez
I could only think of the 60 min crew.
- Rodfather
I mean, the first guy who came to mind as a true journalist is Greg Palast, and he's over on the BBC.
- Steven Perez
Rodfather makes my point. And that's probably only because of the reputation that 60 MINUTES has acquired over the years.
- Steven Perez
Jon Stewart and Steve Carrell!
- Will Higgins™
I love it. You make up your own personal definition of "real journalism" and then complain that no one fits it. It's like the French saying America has no "real wines" or that there's no "real entertainment" on TV any more. It's all simply a cover for you saying, "I don't like this and my opinion is more important than everyone else's."
- Glen Mistletoe
And that tells you how bad things are with American media that two comedians (Stewart and Stephen Colbert) are better journalists than the people who are actually paid to be journalists.
- Steven Perez
Except on PBS, Spidra. And on his website.
- Steven Perez
Glen: who do you think of as a real journalist?
- Steven Perez
Lara Logan: Prior to 2002, Lara Logan covered wars and turmoil in Zimbabwe, Kosovo, Angola, Mozambique, India, Gaza and the West Bank. From 2002 to now, Logan has reported daily from Iraq and Afghan frontlines, often as a troop imbed. Her coverage has been harrowing, controversially explicit and investigative. And shes freaking hot too.
- Carlos Ayala
Define "real." Those are all celebrities backed by HUGE teams. There are lots of real journalists all around me.
- Robert Scoble
Because I'll tell ya what I think the problem is: people don't want to *be* informed. They want to *feel* informed. That kind of problem cuts across party and ideology and red and blue. That's a problem of perception. And as long as people are too busy to be properly informed, then we'll never have true journalism.
- Steven Perez
theres a chick on npr that covered the 'surge'...spanish name...tip of tongue. crazy talent there too.
- Carlos Ayala
Spidra: Anne Garrels?
- Steven Perez
from IM
got it....Lourdes Garcia-Navarro
- Carlos Ayala
Any journalist who puts themselves in harms way to get a story is definitely better than me but that is a different argument than what is journalism
- Robert Scoble
I think it's not that there isn't real journalism, or real journalists. Over 100 journalists have been killed in Iraq since the start of the war trying to bring us stories. It's just that we don't see those faces any more, if we ever did. We see celebrities reiterating a watered down version of the news real, unknown, journalists risk their lives gathering.
- Alix Whitmire
Anyone who makes an effort to report something new and/or useful to a wider audience. They don't have to make $1 million per year to qualify as "real." The fact is, the question of the reality (or not) of a journalist is irrelevant. If you're trying to judge them, you need to come up with factual observations: fastest, most accurate, easiest to understand, etc.
- Glen Mistletoe
reporting does not equal journalism.
- Terry O'Fee
I know some real journalists whose profession is journalism and have qualifications in journalism. I don't think Robert Scoble is a journalist. A citizen-journalist or blogger, sure, but just because he's got a lot of followers doesn't mean he's a journalist to me.
- Will Higgins™
Terry: you are wrong. That is exactly what journalism is.
- Robert Scoble
I think that Steven's point is well taken though. We don't SEE the real journalists that much anymore. Long gone are the days of Walter Cronkite and Edward R Murrow. Now most of the "news" that we see is cultivated less for its informational value and more for the revenue it generates...So instead of getting informed we are being titillated.
- Alex Scoble
++ Carlos. I watch MSNBC because I have a crush on Rachel Maddow, but for news I'll take NPR over anything on TV.
- Alix Whitmire
nonsense. it's an insult to the people who slug their guts out doing this as a job.
- Terry O'Fee
Alex: that is true. But the Internet is changing that a bit because we have unlimited supply here but how many read globalvoicesonline.org for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: EXACTLY. I've long since given up on American new channels. I have to get my news from overseas or the internet. CNN, MSNBC, FOX - all of these prize flash over actual journalism. To anyone who disagrees with this, try living outside the US for an extended period of time and then coming back and watching the news here. Like stepping onto an alien planet.
- Steven Perez
from IM
@Alix. Agreed. i cannot think of anything that compares to npr...maybe, just maybe, and by a slim margin...BBC world news, and in very short spurts i might add.
- Carlos Ayala
(And for the record: I loves me Rachel Maddow, too.)
- Steven Perez
from IM
Terry: insisting you are right does not make it so. We covered this topic in depth in journalism school. It is clear you never went.
- Robert Scoble
You're still arguing against it without defining it. Let's start with dictionary.com: 1. a person who practices the occupation or profession of journalism. 2. a person who keeps a journal, diary, or other record of daily events. Now, tell me your very own special secret meaning of "journalist" and see if we can have a real discussion instead of talking at cross-purposes.
- Glen Mistletoe
Journalism does NOT require getting paid, either. I know lots of journalists who do it for free.
- Robert Scoble
That's why i like watching The ABC in Australia. Noncommerical, it's government funded much like the BBC. They're not rolling in dough and they manage to make intelligent news and current affairs without having to worry about ratings.
- Terry O'Fee
dictionary.com: journalism = the occupation of reporting, writing, editing, photographing, or broadcasting news or of conducting any news organization as a business.
- Glen Mistletoe
and for those who dont know who Lara is there are two great interviews with her. one on cnn owning the bush crew and the other on the daily show: http://piurl.com/14f5 both are must watch-worthy.
- Carlos Ayala
Glen: I think I've done a fairly decent job of saying what I think journalism is and isn't. I'll ask again: who do you think of as a real journalist?
- Steven Perez
Will: you are clueless about what I do. It is definitely journalism. Look at my videos. That is journalism. My column in Fast Company magazine is journalism. So are many of my photos. So is my blog. So are some of me tweets.
- Robert Scoble
I answered that above, Steven. This is a worthless conversation. I'm going to bed.
- Glen Mistletoe
robert - how is your opinion any different than mine? i'm sorry, call yourself a journalist if it makes you feel better.
- Terry O'Fee
Cuz I'll tell you: I watched the media (you know, the same bunch who chant "Watergate" like a mantra) over the last eight years sleepwalk their way into two wars without ever questioning what was going on, only to finally find a spine when the city of New Orleans got wiped off the map. Something happening far away? Meh. Maybe we'll get around to checking that out. American city gets flattened? OMG WHERE'S THE DRINKING WATER?
- Steven Perez
Putting a bookmark here, cuz I really need to go to sleep. Good conversation, all.
- Steven Perez
Terry: you said "reporting does not equal journalism." That is NOT true. Reporting +IS+ journalism. I care about this stuff because I CARE about language. Which, it is obvious, you do not. Go read the dictionary definition of journalism again, please.
- Robert Scoble
1. a person who practices the occupation or profession of journalism. 2. a person who keeps a journal, diary, or other record of daily events.
- Robert Scoble
crikey.com.au - now THAT is proper journalism.
- Terry O'Fee
The problem with US journalism is not the lack of totally unbiased reporting. The problem is there's a lack of reporting of basic facts on many issues. People should be able to process facts themselves but mainstream media in the US, for whatever reason, gives such a limited amount of information they might as well not report at all. Scoble is right, reporting *is* journalism and by this simple benchmark mainstream US journalism fails. Except Amy Goodman (http://democracynow.org) of course.
- Boris Gordon
According to definition #2 a twitterer is a journalist. That is true. So is a blogger. So is a reporter. So is a photographer, if he practices the occupation of journalism (which I do). So is a videoographer, if they practice the occupation or profession of journalism (which I do). So is a writer in a magazine (which I do too).
- Robert Scoble
Boris: there is plenty of reporting going on, but how many people care? http://news.google.com or http://www.memeorandum.com -- how many people have visited these sites today? I guarantee you not nearly as many as have gone to Perez Hilton.
- Robert Scoble
so that makes siskel and ebert journalists. they report about movies :P
- Terry O'Fee
or the new guy. woops :P
- Terry O'Fee
BTW, Robert: I'm not saying you aren't a journalist. You have a field of expertise that you report on regularly and in a professional manner. My point is that, if people don't have a clear concept on what makes a journalist, we need only look at the tube or pick up a newspaper to find the reason why.
- Steven Perez
from IM
i'd like to think that the reason we have blogs/tweets/feeds and the like, that are driven by ordinary people (read: not traditionally trained journalists) is to fill the void that the 'news' has created. there is a reason for all of this.
- Carlos Ayala
That second definition is kinda broad, though. If I'm reading that correctly, then anyone with a MySpace blog is a journalist. Which makes lonelygirl19 a journalist. THAT can't be right. :)
- Steven Perez
from IM
People will know journalism when they read it. Period.
- tpy
exactly, rob. you do a lot of work, lot of research into what you do. you get paid. i am not talking about you. there's a lot of people out there who just blog. they write about whatever, they do it for fun. they regurgitate the same information from other profesional websites. does that make them journalists?
- Terry O'Fee
But doesn't a real journalist need to adhere to certain ethical standards?
- Victor Ganata
Scoble: There's no lack of available information, but presentation matters and this is where *mainstream* US journalism does damage. I think that people have strayed from mainstream news for the simple reason that the quality of reporting is of such poor quality. A viewer is lucky to get half the story on important issues and people aren't that dumb and would rather spend their time elsewhere than put up with such junky journalism.
- Boris Gordon
Robert -- I agree that some of what you do is journalism, but working journalists don't have the luxury of taking off their journalist hat when they post to Twitter or broadcast on another medium. You can't say, "I'm a journalist when I write for Fast Company, but not when I post to Twitter." Because that removes all accountability of having to get your facts straight, verify stuff you retweet (like the Fox News debacle you helped propel earlier today) and answering for what you post.
- Omar Gallaga
You might be a journalist of some sort, but that doesn't automatically mean you're a GOOD journalist.
- Omar Gallaga
CNN's Michael Ware tends to tell it like it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - he's covered Iraq for (far too many) years and has always been straight up I think. He's a top journo.
- Richard Kastelein
Real time raw information is a big improvement for me. Al Jazeera English's twitter posts on Gaza has been instrumental in staying informed of every event and fact (including who on the ground is making the claim). Reconciling it with news reporting later on lets me judge the gap between fact and reporting for myself.
- Boris Gordon
Also, if you're limiting the list of good journalists to TV (which you shouldn't), Jim Lehrer should be on that list.
- Omar Gallaga
http://www.chris-floyd.com (Chris Floyd) is a one of the great American OP/ED writers I think. Largely unknown in the US though - this son of a baptist preacher in Tennessee wrote for the Moscow Times for ten years and is now based in the UK where he works for Oxford University.
- Richard Kastelein
The debate over "who's a journalist" has been over for years. Here's the short answer: anyone (professional or amateur) who creates a work of journalism. It could be an amateur committing a random act of journalism. It could be a professional journalist doing it for a living. (And this thread woefully underestimates the journalism being practiced in cities all across the country. But that's par for the course on the Web.) Bottom line: It's the act that counts, not the person or credentials.
- JD Lasica
I agree with Scoble that Journalism is storytelling. I think it all comes down to who you think tells a story well. All journalists have some take on a topic, unless we have newsbots at CNN. I will often read different outlets takes on an issue to contrast different opinions. I watch the Rachel Maddow show because I sometimes want a liberal take, but I'll also get another view to contrast it with. I enjoy people like Laporte and Scoble because their mostly enthusiastic about tech and thats just fun to watch
- Woody
Omar: sorry, the stuff that gets into a magazine is higher quality than the stuff that gets onto Twitter. My magazine stuff has an editor and a fact-checking crew. Oh, and a lawyer. And a boss. And all that. My tweets have none of that. They are me and me alone.
- Robert Scoble
Omar: exactly, but we weren't talking about what makes a GOOD journalist. We were just defining the term "journalism." Victor: no, "real" journalists have no ethical standards. There is NO common ethical standards that all journalists adhere to.
- Robert Scoble
Terry: if a blogger/Twitterer/MySpacer/Facebook has a Google ad and makes revenue they are a journalist by #1 definition and are defacto #2 definition too.
- Robert Scoble
JD is a real journalist, by the way, so I'll go by his definition. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I don't get this whole 'real journalism' meme. (And I'm curious which country people are thinking of when they're talking about 'real journalists'?)
- Steven Byrnes
I consider these people below great OP/ED journalists. Opinion writers. They all write for me at http://www.atlanticfreepress.com - and some are qualified 'journalists', others are academics and others are simply great bloggers. Point is, they are all fine writers. Walter Brasch, Mike Whitney, Jason Leopold, Mark Crispin Miller, Dave Lindorff, Mickey Z, William Blum, Stephen Lendman,...
more...
- Richard Kastelein
like somebody who writes fanfic on a geocities website calls themselves an author. whatever.
- Terry O'Fee
A lot of 'real news' (that mythical creature) and journalism have been getting replaced by infotainment for as long as I can remember. (I wince every time my wife has the TV news on.) But part of me thinks that's ok. Because the total amount of news, and availability, are increasing. The fourth estate is increasing in size (or it's shrinking & the fifth estate is replacing it); all of these Internet-backed communications channels are improving the timeliness & increasing the volume.
- Steven Byrnes
Problems I see: signal to noise is getting worse, but then again, fewer gatekeepers telling us what's "today's big story / issue".
- Steven Byrnes
Lots of important issues & stories are still getting missed by the average person; abuses of power by gov't, regional conflicts around the world (ex middle east).
- Steven Byrnes
I started writing a rambling thought, but then I realized it was aimed at news / journalism that covers politics & gov't, and decided to back it up a bit... I guess from my point of view, 'real journalist' or not isn't important as: are people staying well informed about the world.
- Steven Byrnes
Well, I certainly wouldn't trust any sources of information that don't adhere to some sorts of ethical standards, whatever they may be.
- Victor Ganata
But speaking of which, we compartmentalize news into different areas: Politics / Gov't, Business, Tech, etc. I follow a lot of different areas. But one thing that sometimes drives me mad is the narrow focus. They talk about some gov't issue that might overlap with tech, or business, or science, but it's often seems written from that one angle. Sometimes I'll see a story where a problem is presented, and I think "Oh, that's got an easy <tech | science> solution."
- Steven Byrnes
But that's a rant for another day...
- Steven Byrnes
and I think that statement can easily be said not only about americans, But about europeans as well. When I started working with companies at a Chamber of Commerce I was surprised to see how ignorant journalists are about the areas they cover, and how the "selling of a story" is all that matter, dis-regarding the facts.
- Peter Efland
So anyone who ever wrote a letter to their grandma is a journalist... and you know, I'm cool with that! BUT how do we have a discussion about the quality of Journalism (which is where this discussion started I believe)? What terminology should Steven have used?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
"... no compelling examples of 5 star journalism" ?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Actually Robert, I remember you voicing frustration at the lack of accurate reporting about the tech sector in China.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
John Simpson, Jeremy Bowen, Brian Hanrahan, Kate Adie, Jon Snow. All top rate journalists and that's just off the top of my head.
- Nicola Quinn
Alistair: no, the conversation was about journalism. Period. Not "good vs. bad." Most people I find have no clue what journalism is, but yet they try to define it. But, now that we have, I'm cool with discussing what is good and what is bad journalism. Although that is as hard as defining porn. I know it when I see it.
- Robert Scoble
Christian The Lion - the full story- sigur ros - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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This is spectacular. Simply wonderful. How people can say that animals dont have feelings is simply absurd. And the meek shall inherit the earth...
- loren feldman
Alright I'm not going to lie, just showed my girl and we were both crying.
- loren feldman
this made the rounds on the internet like 2 months ago.. dont tell me that you all are so far behind !!
- Peter Dawson
Oh I totally got teary!
- Amber Horner
Beautiful, going to spread this on.
- Christian
Peter, virality is never evenly spread :-)
- Duncan Riley
but what i don't understand: why was Harrod's selling a lion cub?
- Trent Olson
Trent, 1969....
- Duncan Riley
oh, thanks Duncan, that clarifies things...no wait, i still don't get it.
- Trent Olson
Harrods was known for selling stupid "extravagant" things.
- loren feldman
yes, but live predatory animals?? -- i suppose if civil rights didn't happen until the 60s (in theory, anyway), why should animal rights be any farther ahead...
- Trent Olson
"They had discovered him for sale in Harrods' exotic pets department and, concerned for his conditions and fate, decided to buy him." Weird huh?
- Vincent X
that was amazing
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I started sobbing 2 hours ago when I first watched this. Check back in with me next week. I'll still be crying. That was effin amazing!
- Michelle Feldman
That was really cool. It's amazing that it remembered them. How cool.
- Jason Shultz
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It's really great they ended the video before the lion ate them.
- Ranjit Mathoda
Ranjit, lol
- Duncan Riley
You guys had me thinking it was all sad! That was a happy story.
- Lindsay
tears of joy, Lindsay, tears of joy...
- Trent Olson
I totally cried.
- Ayşe E.
Ayşe, nice, isn't it
- Duncan Riley
I've seen that more than once over the past few years - and every time I get excited and giddy at the same spot. Thanks for resharing it.
- Lucretia Pruitt
"virality is never evenly spread " - then its not viral yet.. maybe I was in the early infectious state as akin to .. bleeding edge vs leading edge :)-
- Peter Dawson
"excited and giddy" Wow Lucretia you are dangerous! lmao
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
that is awesome
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Truly one of the best true stories I've ever heard. I don't know how many times I've watched this.
- Fleagle
Good to know the lion and his family ate well that night! Not only those two but the CAMERA CREW as well!
- Mark O'Neill
The Majesty (my largest photo ever) | Stuck In Customs - http://stuckincustoms.com/2008...
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That look really awesome! 15000 x 5052 FTW!
- AJ Batac
wow! amazing!!
- Dan Monzelowsky
OMFG, WOW! I crave HDRs like those.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
hehe thanks all... the REAL one is 21,000 pixels across... but the FlickrMan only gives us 10 megs of upload space... grrr.
- Trey Ratcliff
I heart Trey Ratcliffe's amazing photography.
- Tamar Weinberg
i am booking a trip to glacier as soon as my budget allows.
- tiffany
Super cool!
- k00pa
Awesome picture.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Nice work Trey.
- Thomas Hawk
Truly amazing!!
- John Ford
Very nice work Trey.
- Juan Pablo González
cah-razy!
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Fantastic!
- Nia
New background for my four monitors
- CW™
WOW I have never seen so many "likes" on a post. It is well deserved. I am very happy I found Trey's blog a while back thanks to someone posting a list of some of the best photo blogs. Trey's was clearly my favorite.
- R. Ferguson
Wow.
- Kevin Bondelli
It truly is beautiful.
- CW™
wow! faving that
- Alan Le
Montana looks beautiful but it's cold and windy. The bandwidth is slow. And there are very few starbucks. Might I recommend Colorado instead ;) Lovely photo, BTW...
- Todd Harris
hehe thanks all - glad you dig it! :)
- Trey Ratcliff
Photos like this reignite my passion for photography. Absolutely breathtaking.
- Shelly Weiss
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Its the best PR stunt gong wrong ever :) and I do mean Gong Wrong
- Fred Grott
Scoble as the Gong show?
- Fred Grott
this video is funny!
- Ouriel Ohayon
Recycling my comment from 1938media.com -- if Scoble doesn't like what the aliens have to say about his DNA, how will he block them?
- Omar Gallaga
If you think nuclear proliferation is bad... have we not learned from the folly of the Genesis Device? Klingons -will- weaponize Robert Scoble. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jay Cuthrell
Did a spit take upon reading Scoble decrying posts about shiny objects and how everyone talks 2 much about them! Work ur OWN side of street!
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@ricksanchezcnn now that you're a mainstream media turned twitter rock star, time to teach you the next step. the power of the @ reply. :P
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Twitter members can make calls to each other
- Bryan Person
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I like Ali or Denzel best. Whats your fave?
- loren feldman
Prince! But that's a cool Obama shot. And Ali is cool, too. Don't understand how Jay-Z made the list, though. I like him but 25 of all time! paleeze!
- chartreuse
Yeah I figured you say that. I think Denzels my fave. I really love him he is such a great actor, and a handsomer brother is nowhere to be found, no offense of course.
- loren feldman
hotdogsladies: I've started randomly telling people to "Put it on the wiki." Without any context or reason. Making it my dada "Talk to the hand." - http://twitter.com/hotdogs...
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:D
- edythe
oh man, I am SO gonna steal that line! Even though no one in my office will know what I'm talking about...which, actually, might make that even funnier (to me, anyway).
- vicster
I've been using "F*** it. We'll do it live!" in a similar way lately
- Mike Doeff
Mike, when I left work today to go see Dark Knight instead of prepping tomorrow morning's early meeting, I thought in my head, "Fuck it. We'll do it live!" because of your comment.
- Jason Toney
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i love her!! :)
- edythe
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"is this journalism!??!" + "jackass" ---> classic!
- Jason Calacanis
from Bookmarklet
It's not journalism. But it sure is easy, huh? pwnd.
- Chris Baskind
I always hated that eric spellman thats why i dont watch KTLA
- erick
Wow. What was the point of that? Someone should submit that clip along with a reply comment when that station files for it's FCC license renewal. Two words: Public. Interest.
- Andrew Feinberg
It's the 'new' journalism.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
news? where?
- Andrew Feinberg
Why didn't this link go to Mahalo?
- l0ckergn0me
i wish i was the guy he asked
- Vincent Guerrero
I think that guy got owned. That's funny stuff.
- Candace
That was great!
- Steve Garfield
from twhirl
Todays news is simply entertainment. A true journalist could have created an interesting story exploring the motivations of the iPhone buyers.
- Jim McCusker
AHAHAH. I that's why I hate broadcast journalists.
- David Cohn
Brilliant!
- Andy Lewandowski
I prefer Aaron Brazell's iPhone review. http://bit.ly/1jvV2A
- Jim McCusker
Looking for hard hitting journalism from the man-on-the-street section of a local news show, eh? Hey, when the weather man shows the local pound puppy up for adoption that day they better not throw it any softball questions, either. They need to get to the truth with that beast!
- Jim Stanger
This is/was now on Digg.com
- william barnes
Just proves that terrestrial media does not get it!
- Steven (optionshiftk)
so last week
- adolfo foronda
I'm so excited to have a new GoogleReader contact (@omarg). None of my friends seem to have caught on yet. Go forth and Google!
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TASTY!
- Omar Gallaga
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