It is posts like this when I can tell there is something going on with the interactivity decline on FF. Not a single comment or reaction among 6300 subs?
- Christopher Sacca
I think you just validated your assumption.
- Omar Shahine
Chris, there's a lot of noise on your Twitter feed in FF -- many @ replies most people could care less about. I'd expect that many of your FF subscribers have hidden your Twitter entries.
- Daniel Dulitz
Doesn't that seem like a FF problem then? I mean, Twitter experimented with tuning the reply noise. Maybe FF would do the same?
- Christopher Sacca
What sort of reaction were you expecting to this post?
- Doug
On Twitter and FB there were a lot of laughs, shares, complaints, corrections that it should be 6 days, etc. Just a lot more interaction. It just feels like early on, when I only had a few subs on FF, there used to be a lot more interaction. I feel like Dulitz is probably most right, but there is no way for me to tune the replies down. Both Twitter and FB seemed to get that and filter on them to audiences who might care. I wish we could do the same here.
- Christopher Sacca
I think the interactivity in FF has been segregated into many small conversions after FF implemented the groups.
- imabonehead
What is a day? Is it the same for all? Large or small? ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I'm agnostic, so I don't have much to say other than that statement is funny. :)
- imabonehead
Christopher, lot of the big names (and others, too) on FF totally ignore anything being cross-posted from Twitter. I learned this a while back. If you really want interactivity from FF, you have to post *to* FF, and not just feed it from somewhere else. I was saddened by this, but that's what it's turned into.
- Joey Gibson
Chris, it's an FF problem for you (and probably a big reason why FF never took off), but for me it's a selling point. The FF userbase is different than the FB userbase. I subscribe to people on FF for their insight first, and only secondarily for entertainment. I think the average FB comment is very different, more fluffy, less serious. For a good social platform, I think the insight-driven folks and the entertainment driven folks need to balance. I don't know how to get that in FB.
- Daniel Dulitz
Christopher: I've noticed a decline in engagement too, but funny enough, every time I bring it up I get engagement again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It is because there is a crowd following you Robert.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
You get engagement when you talk about engagement declining on FriendFeed, because everybody here is interested in FriendFeed. Probably fewer people are interested in project management jokes; sorry.
- Bruce Lewis
Daniel, you nailed it. For me, FriendFeed is a superior interface for reading discussions about issues and news stories of interest to me and my contacts. So far I've found Twitter to be nice for reading status updates and witty epigrams, but bad for having substantive discussions. When I see a "Twittery" post on Friendfeed or vice versa, I don't know what to do with it.
- Doug
Chris, another thing to consider is that you have 150 times as many followers on Twitter as you have subscribers on FriendFeed. So, after normalizing for that, I believe FriendFeed is winning :-D
- Doug
They nailed it. now allI I need are real friends on here :)
- Jamie
Agreed: the messaging/DMing/private or group sharing is really well done.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
FriendFeed beta works great on the browser...but is/will there be a mobile client? I use PockeTwit like crazy more than the web....
- Jef
@Jamie: you're right about that. I much prefer posting and interacting with posts in FriendFeed but all the people I know in real life are on Facebook and almost none of them are on FriendFeed. So I have been spending a lot more time on Facebook lately.
- Tommy Williams
hmm... you missed a lot of assignments?! :) It's interesting, I never dreamt about it, although I've had my share of writing assignments on a bus ride. :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
The Palm Pre news was announced tonight and was NOT leaked before 9 p.m. So? The problem is that the articles that are on TechMeme were written FRIDAY and the journalists that wrote them timed them to release at 9 p.m. -- my article has the real news because I wrote it at the last minute. Yet it isn't a headline on TechMeme right now. Proof that Techmeme is NOT about news.
- Robert Scoble
Techmeme is about who has done the best articles in the PAST. Not about who has legitimate news to break tonight. It also is NOT about linking behavior. None of these articles got any links. Techmeme's algorithm decided on the ranking based on past behavior. Unfair? Hell, life isn't fair. I just love pointing this out so you know that Techmeme isn't about news, it's about popularity.
- Robert Scoble
Scott: a lot of people do. Plus Palm forced Adobe to hold the news until tonight. Adobe told me about every other announcement but said that one of its partners had forced it to hold the news until 9 p.m. Sunday night.
- Robert Scoble
That partner was Palm. What's funny is that at least one of Palm's PR people worked at Apple. That's why I knew that Palm was the one, because only Apple PR people do shit like this.
- Robert Scoble
why are you still reading techmeme? :-)
- Duncan Riley
Scott: back to your question. The Palm Pre is the one device that beats Apple's iPhone in experience (I've seen them all). It is the one device I will stand in line for this year.
- Robert Scoble
tech websites talking about other tech websites .. hhahah it seems to be the norm these days..
- Terry O'Fee
Aaron: when I have news and know it I expect to get onto places where news is supposedly shared.
- Robert Scoble
Am I wrong to take it that the first article on TMM does mention Flash on the Pre by way of saying " will be available on smartphones running Windows Mobile, Google's Android, Nokia S60/Symbian, and the new Palm operating systems. ". Maybe it's not such big news?
- Jef
Jef: the first article has the news. All the rest do not. And even CNET couched it just in case it didn't happen. It's article was written on Friday.
- Robert Scoble
Aaron: good point. But TechMeme usually tracks those places pretty strongly. Much more strongly than in the past. Oh, and now I'm on Techmeme as of 10:03. Goal achieved.
- Robert Scoble
Aaron: complete indeed, I'm going to bed! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Aaron: I think Gabe is having fun now. He just posted a PC World headline that had the news.
- Robert Scoble
The Palm Pre doesn't exist yet right? So saying it will get flash is kinda meh.
- Omar Shahine
Omar: from what I'm hearing the Palm isn't that far away. This stuff is important for developers especially since the Palm is going to be a very hot selling device. Developers care about technology decisions BEFORE a device ships so that they can build apps for it and have them out on day one.
- Robert Scoble
Honestly Robert, glib line aside, there's far better ways to get a tech dose.FriendFeed and Twitter are one outlet, combined with some select pics in terms of blogs. Techmeme got into farce territory last year when it became clear he banned and ranked down sites he didn't like. I've never believed in one person showing me what's going on, nor should you. Sub-feed at best for techmeme, until they renounce their selective ways, which from what I've heard, have gotten far worse now.
- Duncan Riley
Duncan: Gabe insists only one person has been banned from Techmeme.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, maybe if you wrote longer articles you might rate higher on TM. 127 words of analysis is not enough.
- Paul Montgomery
Seriously Robert, the Pre is crap no matter how much you try and build it up.
- Donovan Slennon
So, Donovan, have you actually used one? Robert has, and for that reason alone I suspect his opinion carries more weight than yours.
- Ian Betteridge
too much news about mobile tech and not enough about photography on Techmeme me thinks.
- Thomas Hawk
But I think an under reported piece of this whole story is how RIM is not a part of it. Blackberry is slipping further behind, which is very disappointing.
- JT Perry
Since Scoble made it to Techmeme, albeit not as soon as he would've liked, can we now say that it IS about news?
- coldbrew
JT, RIM was one of the mobile phone companies making the biggest gains in sales last quarter - so I'm not sure what you mean by "slipping further behind".
- Ian Betteridge
coldbrew: funny, the article on top right now is not one with the Palm Pre news and I'm gone again from the headlines. Life still goes on...
- Robert Scoble
that's why I follow you on twitter ;o) "breaking news as it happens!"
- sofarsoShawn
Scoble, looks like you've been clustered below the VentureBeat post.
- coldbrew
coldbrew: yeah, but if you're not a headline it really doesn't matter. Very very few people click on anything other than the headlines.
- Robert Scoble
Is TechMeme even influential with people outside of Tech blog producers? I've only been to the site a few times and found it rather boring. So is there anything to suggest that it still helps form opinions or drives traffic?
- Andrew
Andrew: my referer log shows that last night Twitter brought me 480 visits while TechMeme brought me 294. Google Reader brought me 150 and Inquisitr brought me 50.
- Robert Scoble
I wish that my iPhone could mimic safari so that people would stop sending me to their crappy mobile sites.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, there's a hack that uses Privoxy - check comment #24 at http://i.tuaw.com/2009... (I don't have an iphone so I don't know if it really works :-))
- John μller
Normally you think of web pages being faster to update than client-side software downloads. In this case though, Chrome updates near-weekly, much faster than Hotmail did. Another illustration that velocity and speed of iteration matter.
- Matt Cutts
The fix was included in the latest Chrome update: http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2009... "Windows Live Hotmail now works. While the Hotmail team works on a proper fix, we're deploying a workaround that changes the user agent string that Google Chrome sends when requesting URLs that end with mail.live.com."
- Ionut
"Normally you think of web pages being faster to update than client-side software downloads. In this case though, Chrome updates near-weekly, much faster than Hotmail did. Another illustration that velocity and speed of iteration matter." That's a rather naive statement. You think that Hotmail is a web page and you expect a service with hundreds of millions of users and thousands of...
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- Omar Shahine
Omar, it's true that I do consider a web service easier to update than client-side software. Google runs web services with many users and servers too and we launch changes weekly or faster. At any rate, it's great to know that Hotmail's next service release will address this issue--thanks for mentioning that.
- Matt Cutts
Oh, awesome. They fixed the one thing I didn't like about the 1000 (the slow 1.8" 4200rpm HD), and kept the thing I loved the most about the 2133 - a screen res higher than 1024x600. And the aluminum. Rawr. I think this is my new "most wanted" netbook.
- Josh Bancroft
I wonder how well it will take a hackintosh build? With it's aluminum frame, this might be as close as we ever get to a MacBook Mini netbook. :-)
- Josh Bancroft
nice resolution but the mouse buttons are still in the wrong place!
- Omar Shahine